80 now I have no need for either of these items I have the 60 year old pouch with a flap closuer that my grandpa made me some 70 years ago from an old leather jacket that he had worn since the begining of time . My grand mother told him one day at lunch she said charly if you wear that kacket in public one more time I'm going to burn it. Well that was it he ripped the linning out and made abunch of stuff for my dad myself and his brother . I have done nothing to it over the years but treat it with oilevery year at new years with all the other leather items i have it takes almost 2 days to treat them all . He also took my grand mother shopping so she could okay the purchase of a new leather jacket which I also wear to this day. Sorry I got carried away with babble keep up the great reviews young man you are saveing people many bucks with your revues . Happy Trails
I have had this knock off for a year now. Carry it with a pistol nearly everyday on my hikes. I absolutely love it and have had zero problems with the material or the zippers. It zips and unzips smooth and easy. I have it loaded to over capacity, I can’t help myself with all the pockets lol. and it very comfortable.
Every time you grab this pack, I hope you think of the miserably impoverished people that produced it so you can say how cool it is and how much stuff you have to put in it.
A year late to the game here but I had both and sent the helikon back. The compartment closest to the chest was a dealbreaker for backwoods pistol carry. Big win for feiwood and saved me money. After 4 years I still look forward to your content and I think we all appreciate what you do. Except the lying corpo thieves of course 👍
I think the idea behind the company mission statement is that some are considered losers or "weird" for being interested in certain activities, and they want to provide the supplies to be able to enjoy those societally-weird activities? That's how I interpreted it.
I agree. I think they are humbly, but tongue-in-cheek, saying "In China, going camping and traipsing about in the woods are considered past-times for lay-abouts and losers. You should all go get a job slaving away in a factory." So this company is saying "Yeah, we know that we are 'losers' but we are passionate losers, and we have a life! Go suck eggs!"
100%, have to remember that Chinese culture wasn't ours to begin with and has been hammered by forced changes for multiple generations. There was some serious nature aversion used to get people into those cities, though I understand now they're forcing people back into rural areas and have established a new police force to make villages more like cities and facilitate forced labor on cleared land they had been reforesting since the 70's.
I bought the Feiwood about a year ago. I bought it mainly because of that back pocket because I like to take my firearm out in the woods. I took a chance at that price and I was pleasantly surprised. The quality is good at that price point. I also keep medical gear, compass and other items up front so I don't have to take off backpack. It has good storage pockets and webbing for all stuff I want to carry.
Hi! Just got this chest pack the other day, and I'm pretty impressed! I had been wanting tha numbat, but couldn't see the price. I also LOVE the idea of the separate "holster" compartment. I was even able to make it fit my large size easily. THANKS for the heads-up on this one Luke! I agree with the other posters who think that the weird name doesn't translate into loser. I think they are tying to say they are outdoor NERDS, (aren't we all?) which makes more sense than loser.
I think the statement meant that although some may think it strange that someone would want to go backpacking, etc - to follow your dreams no matter what others may say about you.
Thank you for sharing this review. I do some DIY and bought a Condor administration pouch ($24) and added a suspension system. The Condor has the double zipper setup like the Feiwood and added the space I wanted but for the difference in price I’d save the extra effort unless someone wanted the ability to say I made that.
Just purchased and received the Helikon-Tex Numbat about a week ago and will be using all this week in Alpine Lake hikes. I was looking forward to the Numbat as it seems it will meet all of my needs and I was impressed with its construction. However, after watching your review, I'm starting to question the price of the Numbat. I returned another chest rig that about half the price of the Numbat because I thought it was cheaply made and offered less storage (your review of the Numbat helped me immensely in my decision). We'll see how it works out this week. Thanks for the comparison!
My only complaint about the numbat is the internal storage space seems a little cramped. The knockoff looks to provide a little more space. If not for hard use, I’d consider the copy.
Thanks for the review, I have the Numbat but it would be nice to have a second compartment like the Feiwood. The only thing I notice was on the Numbat front pocket design what is in the pocket won't fall out when you open it up while wearing it but you're limited as to what you can put in them. The Feiwood outer pockets look like they will hold more but may fall out when opening the rig while on you. S&H
I got the Feiwood and I would say that it won't fall out because of the drawstring. As long as you dont open it fully, things won't fall out. Just don't hang upside down because then it definitely will lol
I got tired of the covers on the Numbat front pockets and performed surgery on them, lol. The main pocket material is stretchy and holds items securely. I hated those flappers anyways, lol.
Hill People is good stuff..since it's made here in St Louis by First Spear its as good as it gets..priced accordingly as it should be ,I have a bunch of FS gear yet the knock off looks decent ..
A good comparison review thanks. Thoughts. The slightly wider FWG might cause a problem with rucksack should straps, especially for people with a small frame. That is speculation, but it would be interesting to know how they compare. The lower quality zips and buckles may not be an issue, as the loads that they will bear are not going to large. The lack of a cover flap for the front pockets on the FWG would let water in on rainy days, but not a problem for fair weather hikers. It would be useful to have a hole in the bottom of the pocket to let water drain if it did get in. That could be easily and cheaply done. However, on the plus side, without the flap it would make it easier to stash small waterbottles, or quick grap items like a compact camera. Just my thougts, but what do I know?
I took a chance and purchased the Feiwood Chest pack. Luke is correct on his review and I think the quality is outstanding for the price. I can confirm for those who have the Glock 40 MOS with optic and light…it does fit. It’s a little tight on the length but works well using the included Velcro holster.
I have the HPG original full size Kit Bag and it is exceptional quality.....and should be for the price. Of the Fiewood and the Helikon models you have just shown, I am partial to the Fiewood. Even if it were the same price as the Helikon, I like the option of the firearm pocket. Given that it is half the cost, I think I will order one just because....... Great review, Luke. Keep em' coming.....
In regards to your mention of seeing loose threads, this isn't a reflection of build quality. My $700 LBT plate carrier had "loose" threads on every stitching. This is to ensure the stitch has been completed. You can always take a lighter to them if it bothers you. 👍
I have the Chinese version, and it's held decent. I have had it for about a year and i use it during my guided pig hunts here in Central Florida. It through rain and shine and is still in one piece. It has stretched some but its still in good shape
I am on a fixed budget and to get my camping supplies to be able to enjoy myself. I had to go all secondhand or Chinese. I looked everywhere for a portable fence to set up on my campsite so my dogs wouldn’t have to sit outside on leashes, I bought this brand of portable fencing and it is as or more sturdy than I expected. I have a 31 pound dog that is like a tank and she went through a lighter weight fence like it was invisible. She has yet to get out of this heavier one and I was able to get up 24 panels for less seriously for less than the eight panel namebrand one and I guess my thought is you can only be so sturdy. I am extremely happy with my Chinese fence.
personally I would buy two of the knock offs at that price. How you treat your gear has a direct effect on how it holds up. Im 42 and still have cheaper things from when I was 17. Not taking anything away from top of the line gear I have some of that as well. It's just a case by case thing I suppose.
I’ve made the mistake of buying “copy” versions of name brand things before. Last one was a backpack that was basically a copy of a very popular travel backpack. I used it for about 2 years and kept thinking about how I gamed the system. Then while traveling and going through a security check a zipper came loose. It basically rendered the pack useless and I had to rig tougher a solution till I got home. At home, there was just no way to repair it. So now I actually do pay attention to the zipper quality.
Curious how the cheaper one wears with a firearm inside. It looks a little flimsy in the comparison. Waiting to see a long term test of this. I do like the smaller size of the Helicon
Hi Luke! I like that Numbat you have; almost bought one for myself. I found a sale on Osprey for the Archon Chest Rig, so I bought that instead. I really like it: it has lots of pockets and I can get my small point & shoot into it along with my phone and some snacks. It should last forever, it feels very durable! I’d give you more stats, but I’m afraid that they don’t make it anymore. I hope that FWG works out. It would add to a lot of people’s kit at that price!
What sucks about the Numbat is that 3yrs ago I paid 55 for it. Well, there ya go. It is a high quality product and I've bashed mine around quite a bit. I've heard that the Fiewood's fit isn't as good and that the mesh support between the shoulder blades bunches up. I dig that pocket that Fiewood incorporated for a handgun, etc. Smart.
I was thinking about buying the numbat. But now with this thing out, I might reconsider. Firstly, I don't carry guns. But that extra pocket on the knockoff seems like a perfect size for a small water pouch that won't get in the way in the main compartment. Secondly, I don't really have much use for all that molle webbing so it this case, less is more for me. And lastly, saving 30 bucks is always welcomed. I am really glad you made this video, otherwise I would have never found out about this.
Good review. Helikon-tex is a product of Poland and the other is from China. It is hard to beat something that is similar in almost all areas. The Feiwood is almost a 2 for one deal. The holster velcro is pretty nice. I might have to go the cheaper one.
I like the whole idea behind both of them as a chest bag. I like the size of the numbat and the single pouch…. But the price and near enough materials I just wish it was smaller as I want it mostly for a firearm. Great review Luke.
What ever I buy at any store I always check the tags on where it is made from because I do not Patronize Chinese products specifically food products. I don’t mind paying more for quality and honestly. I understand the frustration. Be safe 🙏💕
I liked the additional firearm storage space, the longer straps and the price on the Feiwood but I just couldn't get past the questionable quality of the zipper and buckle.
I’d definitely try the knockoff. But I’d trust the numbat to outlast the other. The nylon and the thread are of less quality. Weight test would be interesting to see the point of failure. Thanks for comparison.
I do this a lot. When I see new gear, I look for cheaper knockoffs to use first to see if it would be something I feel I'd use all the time. Then I will invest in a better version product.
I got the Feiwood because $93 for the Helikon is a bit much. Also the Feiwood has that extra pocket which I can keep my ccw in. Can't wait to actually go hiking in it and test it out.
Feiwood = "廢物" The term represents someone or something that is useless or worthless, like trash. However, I don't know why they chose to use this term as their brand name. It's just hilarious!
@@cproteus exactly, yesterday I explained this in my comment for some reason it was removed. They’re not calling themselves losers it’s just the way they wrote the description not understanding nuance of English language. Maybe Luke got offended I mentioned they’re referring to those that use their products as losers seen through the eyes of others. Anyway, this description is accurate.
I kind of missed out on the helicopter-Tex. By the time I decided to buy pricing had jumped $20 and then I saw the Chinese version. I ordered it and it should be here Monday. At worst I’ll just return it but I am really interested to see how it compares to some of the other new entries into the market from 5.11 and viktas.
Mine came in Monday when this review was dropped although I didn't see it till just now. Taking it for a 3-nighter this weekend and excited to test it out.
I like the numbat, I use it to carry basic fishing gear, may or may not use it for a pistol while hiking some day. The shock cord and MOLLE on the outside is pretty useless. It's very comfortable for scrambling around brushy areas to get to fishing spots. If I'd known about the cheaper version, I may have bought it. The Helikon was about $70 when I got it. I'm sure the cheaper would have lasted me fine for what I use it for, but the Helikon will last me forever.
As always thanks for the honest comparison in situation like this I’m thinking about how much I’m going to use this one of the reasons I wanted to chest rig was to carry a pistol while I’m in the woods so the cheaper one with the extra pistol pocket is what sold it for me I’m not going to be using this to do it through hike on the Appalachian Trail… I’m sure the quality is a bit better for double the price but I doubt I will need it
Love to support products made in our country, but that comes to a point. This is almost one third of the price. Depending on if it is something I am using daily, I go for the quality, but if it is a piece of gear that I will only use once in a while, then maybe the cheaper one.
Another great review! I feel like if youre not actually using the knock off version for "tactical" uses, it would be a good generla use. the main thing i was thinking about using it for is that itd be good for fishign to keep some gear on you. Barring wearing a fishing vest.
Like the zipper pulls on the cheaper version. The black tube helps from getting the pulls caught on things like limbs. While they are both nice, if they were sitting side by side, it would be the price for me. I would go with the cheaper as I don't wear or use alot of chest mounted items and would probably end up using it as a small storage bag for items that I would need quickly. Or it would end up being placed at the top of a backpack or attachment on said backpack.
Don't do chest rigs personally but given the price and the comment that it's not bad, I would probably go for the Feiwood. And it doesn't look too bad. If I didn't like it then at least I'm not $80 ish out of pocket
Helikon-Tex slyly doesn’t list the country of manufacture. If I’m not mistaken, the Helikon-Tex is also made in China, like everything these days. So it’s not completely fair to refer to the Feiwood as the “Chinese” version. They both are Chinese, but the Helikon-Tex is targeting overseas customers, whereas younger upstart companies such as Feiwood begin with the domestic Chinese market, and eventually expand to overseas once they hit a certain performance benchmark.
Thanks for the review, Luke. However, I own a similar piece of gear from Hill People Gear, made in USA. More expensive than both, but from what I see from this review, better quality and functionality than either.
Helikon-Tex always seems to want way too much money for their gear, IMO, therefor I always either opt for a knockoff or make my own gear based roughly off of what I like of theirs or other brand's stuff. No Numbnut front sack for me, thank you. Always glad to see you showcasing new stuff for us, though!
Luke, helicon is a Polish company but I bet they are still sourcing from Asia. Maybe not China specifically, but Asia. Another chest rig to look at is made by Viktos, called the Low Key Chest Rig. I have both the Helikon and the Viktos. They are comparable in price but the Viktos is a tad thicker and can carry 3 rifle mags as well as other gear, if you chose to use it that way. It’s worth a look. Viktos is an American company but sources material from Asia.
I gotta say I dislike the general notion of companies ripping off others with cheap knock offs. Well, and in general I dislike poorly made products, whether they're original or knock offs. AND since I've never used a chest rig it is appealing to be able to try one out for a more reasonable price. So I'm conflicted here
Hi brother. Hope you and yours are doing well. I believe they calling themselves lossers to try to appeal to a certain nitch. Would you consider testing out the camppal products? Especially the one and two man tents. It is real unfortunately, but a budget is a thing for some of us.
I do not think they "call themselves losers", rather it is the opinion of some people that the outdoor passions and activities are for losers. This is the company embracing the moniker and demonstrating an "I don't care about your opinion" attitude.
there is a big difference in the purpose of these items, helikon tex has a bonfire as a symbol for bushcraft series and the other (feiwood) one has ccw compartments because is for tactical
Like you, I have both…and I have to say, that when you actually wear them, they function, about the same. Theoretically the ventilation on the Chinese one should be worse, but wearing it, I actually haven’t noticed any discomfort. I am one of those people who overstuff everything, and the extra room in the Chinese one is significant…I can fit a 12 oz water bottle in mine if I want. Finally, I got mine on sale at Amazon, for like $25…
1st, in reference to the name. I wonder if something was lost in the translation. 2nd, if the Numbat had a second pocket, I would be willing to pay what they are asking for it. I like their products also but I am considering going with a Hill People rig.
I won’t buy either because I have too much crap (too much of anything becomes garbage) but if I was in the market, I’d buy the less expensive, Chinese version. Free trade fights inflation.
Hi this is CK from Singapore. My ethnicity is Chinese and I am a third gen Singaporean but that's a story for another day. The brand Feiwood has the same sounds as the Chinese phrase for useless person or 废物. The Chinese characters literally translates to useless object but is used primarily on people. Hence, the relation to loser.
Ribz Pack is so much better than ANY chest rig, I mean light years! It holds twice as much and is twice as comfortable. I had the Hill People Gear chest rig. Loved it, until I got a Ribz.
I would go with the Hill People Gear design over either of them. However at a cost with shipping of close to $200 CDN for their Original chest pack, it is just not doable in Canada. Sometimes Chinese stuff is the only compromise that makes sense - haven't done it with a chest pack though.
I really think the 511 chest rig is slightly more functional than both of these and is at a price inbetween. It isn’t as large, but that makes it easier to wear your pack with it. I would be interested in your opinion on it! Having worked with manufacturers in China during a college internship, it’s very common for companies to sell schematics between themselves. Linus Tech tips had a similar issue when making his screwdriver. This copy seems like a similar situation.
I have two interpretations of their mission statement. 1. They are trying to make a name for themselves like the Anti-Social Social Club merchandise. The "We are weird but we don't care" crowd. 2. Their product is targeted at airsofters or people who like to LARP(Live Action Role Play) as military. The pricing reflects thus. You don't need your gear to be as durable for airsoft.
The weird description of themselves is the result of using a Chinese online translation app. There are many Chinese products with English instructions or descriptions translated from Chinese this way. The translations are usually hilarious.
Helikon Tex stuff is great. But it's too expensive. And for some reason, every dealer I have bought their gear from has been a complete let down in one way or another. I've had a terrible buying experience with getting my hands on the product.
Half the price and possibly not much difference in quality? Question you have to ask yourself is, if something failed on the cheaper version would you be in danger?
Id buy the chinese one if i was in the market. Price, the extra pocket for the sidearm- that way you can be getting some things without showing your hand.
Personally ai would buy the cheaper alternative. Simply because it is good enough. 99% of people only need GOOD ENOUGH level. Only 1% need GOD TIER stuff. How ever, many people buy god tier stuff to look cool and show off. That is what I think they mean by the "loser" texting. People are often looked down upon using cheap gear. The manufacturer probably wants to change this.
80 now I have no need for either of these items I have the 60 year old pouch with a flap closuer that my grandpa made me some 70 years ago from an old leather jacket that he had worn since the begining of time . My grand mother told him one day at lunch she said charly if you wear that kacket in public one more time I'm going to burn it. Well that was it he ripped the linning out and made abunch of stuff for my dad myself and his brother . I have done nothing to it over the years but treat it with oilevery year at new years with all the other leather items i have it takes almost 2 days to treat them all . He also took my grand mother shopping so she could okay the purchase of a new leather jacket which I also wear to this day. Sorry I got carried away with babble keep up the great reviews young man you are saveing people many bucks with your revues . Happy Trails
I have had this knock off for a year now. Carry it with a pistol nearly everyday on my hikes. I absolutely love it and have had zero problems with the material or the zippers. It zips and unzips smooth and easy. I have it loaded to over capacity, I can’t help myself with all the pockets lol. and it very comfortable.
Every time you grab this pack, I hope you think of the miserably impoverished people that produced it so you can say how cool it is and how much stuff you have to put in it.
@@bereantrbdude don't blame the consumer , its globalisation
A year late to the game here but I had both and sent the helikon back. The compartment closest to the chest was a dealbreaker for backwoods pistol carry. Big win for feiwood and saved me money.
After 4 years I still look forward to your content and I think we all appreciate what you do. Except the lying corpo thieves of course 👍
I think the idea behind the company mission statement is that some are considered losers or "weird" for being interested in certain activities, and they want to provide the supplies to be able to enjoy those societally-weird activities? That's how I interpreted it.
I agree. I think they are humbly, but tongue-in-cheek, saying "In China, going camping and traipsing about in the woods are considered past-times for lay-abouts and losers. You should all go get a job slaving away in a factory." So this company is saying "Yeah, we know that we are 'losers' but we are passionate losers, and we have a life! Go suck eggs!"
I thought the exact same thing.
If they cant translate correctly, what can they do right and worth a dollar?
100%, have to remember that Chinese culture wasn't ours to begin with and has been hammered by forced changes for multiple generations. There was some serious nature aversion used to get people into those cities, though I understand now they're forcing people back into rural areas and have established a new police force to make villages more like cities and facilitate forced labor on cleared land they had been reforesting since the 70's.
Problem with translations or they asked chat OpenAI to write them a short description about "random" outdoor company.
I bought the Feiwood about a year ago. I bought it mainly because of that back pocket because I like to take my firearm out in the woods. I took a chance at that price and I was pleasantly surprised. The quality is good at that price point. I also keep medical gear, compass and other items up front so I don't have to take off backpack. It has good storage pockets and webbing for all stuff I want to carry.
Hi! Just got this chest pack the other day, and I'm pretty impressed! I had been wanting tha numbat, but couldn't see the price. I also LOVE the idea of the separate "holster" compartment. I was even able to make it fit my large size easily. THANKS for the heads-up on this one Luke! I agree with the other posters who think that the weird name doesn't translate into loser. I think they are tying to say they are outdoor NERDS, (aren't we all?) which makes more sense than loser.
I think the statement meant that although some may think it strange that someone would want to go backpacking, etc - to follow your dreams no matter what others may say about you.
I'll be curious to see a use test on the knock off. How does it hold up after it's been through some heavy use? That sort of thing.
Thank you for sharing this review. I do some DIY and bought a Condor administration pouch ($24) and added a suspension system. The Condor has the double zipper setup like the Feiwood and added the space I wanted but for the difference in price I’d save the extra effort unless someone wanted the ability to say I made that.
Just purchased and received the Helikon-Tex Numbat about a week ago and will be using all this week in Alpine Lake hikes. I was looking forward to the Numbat as it seems it will meet all of my needs and I was impressed with its construction. However, after watching your review, I'm starting to question the price of the Numbat. I returned another chest rig that about half the price of the Numbat because I thought it was cheaply made and offered less storage (your review of the Numbat helped me immensely in my decision). We'll see how it works out this week. Thanks for the comparison!
Don’t like the open top front pockets.
What is a bigger chest pack to try other than these brands? I'd like to use to rebalance my backpack with more weight in the front.
I would rather pay $36 over $90 since they are very similar Thanks for the review!.
My only complaint about the numbat is the internal storage space seems a little cramped. The knockoff looks to provide a little more space. If not for hard use, I’d consider the copy.
Thanks for the review, I have the Numbat but it would be nice to have a second compartment like the Feiwood. The only thing I notice was on the Numbat front pocket design what is in the pocket won't fall out when you open it up while wearing it but you're limited as to what you can put in them. The Feiwood outer pockets look like they will hold more but may fall out when opening the rig while on you. S&H
I got the Feiwood and I would say that it won't fall out because of the drawstring. As long as you dont open it fully, things won't fall out. Just don't hang upside down because then it definitely will lol
I got tired of the covers on the Numbat front pockets and performed surgery on them, lol. The main pocket material is stretchy and holds items securely. I hated those flappers anyways, lol.
How many ways can you make a chest rig. I use Hillpeoplegear chest rig and it looks the same as the rest. Just some have better material!
Hill People is good stuff..since it's made here in St Louis by First Spear its as good as it gets..priced accordingly as it should be ,I have a bunch of FS gear yet the knock off looks decent ..
A good comparison review thanks.
Thoughts. The slightly wider FWG might cause a problem with rucksack should straps, especially for people with a small frame. That is speculation, but it would be interesting to know how they compare.
The lower quality zips and buckles may not be an issue, as the loads that they will bear are not going to large.
The lack of a cover flap for the front pockets on the FWG would let water in on rainy days, but not a problem for fair weather hikers. It would be useful to have a hole in the bottom of the pocket to let water drain if it did get in. That could be easily and cheaply done. However, on the plus side, without the flap it would make it easier to stash small waterbottles, or quick grap items like a compact camera.
Just my thougts, but what do I know?
I took a chance and purchased the Feiwood Chest pack. Luke is correct on his review and I think the quality is outstanding for the price. I can confirm for those who have the Glock 40 MOS with optic and light…it does fit. It’s a little tight on the length but works well using the included Velcro holster.
Thanks. That's EXACTLY what I wanted to hear.
I have a helicon tex one after seeing your review I bought one.. it’s fantastic and superb quality
Condor T&T Pouch is also a pretty good knockoff, but chest packs like these have been around a while.
I have the HPG original full size Kit Bag and it is exceptional quality.....and should be for the price. Of the Fiewood and the Helikon models you have just shown, I am partial to the Fiewood. Even if it were the same price as the Helikon, I like the option of the firearm pocket. Given that it is half the cost, I think I will order one just because....... Great review, Luke.
Keep em' coming.....
In regards to your mention of seeing loose threads, this isn't a reflection of build quality. My $700 LBT plate carrier had "loose" threads on every stitching. This is to ensure the stitch has been completed. You can always take a lighter to them if it bothers you. 👍
Translations Chinese to Occidental, Luke, are always... Hum, let's say a bit discretional. Keep on, you're my gear Guru!
I have never seen such honest reviews as yours.
Hey Luke great comparsion. Is this the Numbat in grey?
I have the knock off, it's my go to hiking/hunting pack. Been on dozens of hikes and hunts and I love it
I have the Chinese version, and it's held decent. I have had it for about a year and i use it during my guided pig hunts here in Central Florida. It through rain and shine and is still in one piece. It has stretched some but its still in good shape
I am on a fixed budget and to get my camping supplies to be able to enjoy myself. I had to go all secondhand or Chinese. I looked everywhere for a portable fence to set up on my campsite so my dogs wouldn’t have to sit outside on leashes, I bought this brand of portable fencing and it is as or more sturdy than I expected. I have a 31 pound dog that is like a tank and she went through a lighter weight fence like it was invisible. She has yet to get out of this heavier one and I was able to get up 24 panels for less seriously for less than the eight panel namebrand one and I guess my thought is you can only be so sturdy. I am extremely happy with my Chinese fence.
personally I would buy two of the knock offs at that price. How you treat your gear has a direct effect on how it holds up. Im 42 and still have cheaper things from when I was 17. Not taking anything away from top of the line gear I have some of that as well. It's just a case by case thing I suppose.
I’ve made the mistake of buying “copy” versions of name brand things before. Last one was a backpack that was basically a copy of a very popular travel backpack. I used it for about 2 years and kept thinking about how I gamed the system. Then while traveling and going through a security check a zipper came loose. It basically rendered the pack useless and I had to rig tougher a solution till I got home. At home, there was just no way to repair it. So now I actually do pay attention to the zipper quality.
You can always take it to a tailor to replace the zipper with better ones.
I took it as “gear for the underdog”, so as to never let others (bullies) hold you back and tell you that you can’t. I like the idea.
Curious how the cheaper one wears with a firearm inside. It looks a little flimsy in the comparison. Waiting to see a long term test of this. I do like the smaller size of the Helicon
Hi Luke! I like that Numbat you have; almost bought one for myself. I found a sale on Osprey for the Archon Chest Rig, so I bought that instead. I really like it: it has lots of pockets and I can get my small point & shoot into it along with my phone and some snacks. It should last forever, it feels very durable! I’d give you more stats, but I’m afraid that they don’t make it anymore. I hope that FWG works out. It would add to a lot of people’s kit at that price!
Hey, did you find the Archon in the USA? I looked everywhere and it seemed like a Europe only product!
Yes. It was about a year ago, and they didn’t have many left so I scooped it up! Don’t know if they sell them in Europe or not. Sorry to disappoint!
What sucks about the Numbat is that 3yrs ago I paid 55 for it. Well, there ya go. It is a high quality product and I've bashed mine around quite a bit. I've heard that the Fiewood's fit isn't as good and that the mesh support between the shoulder blades bunches up. I dig that pocket that Fiewood incorporated for a handgun, etc. Smart.
I was thinking about buying the numbat. But now with this thing out, I might reconsider. Firstly, I don't carry guns. But that extra pocket on the knockoff seems like a perfect size for a small water pouch that won't get in the way in the main compartment. Secondly, I don't really have much use for all that molle webbing so it this case, less is more for me. And lastly, saving 30 bucks is always welcomed. I am really glad you made this video, otherwise I would have never found out about this.
damn, that music in the long outro is f amazing :D fits perfectly to this yt channel
Good review. Helikon-tex is a product of Poland and the other is from China. It is hard to beat something that is similar in almost all areas. The Feiwood is almost a 2 for one deal. The holster velcro is pretty nice. I might have to go the cheaper one.
I agree with the benefit of the holster feature.
Just looked on Amazon...only $24 in black. Snagged one thinking it is worth a try!
I like the whole idea behind both of them as a chest bag. I like the size of the numbat and the single pouch…. But the price and near enough materials I just wish it was smaller as I want it mostly for a firearm. Great review Luke.
What ever I buy at any store I always check the tags on where it is made from because I do not Patronize Chinese products specifically food products. I don’t mind paying more for quality and honestly. I understand the frustration. Be safe 🙏💕
I wish the holster pouch was on the numbat. I ordered the Feiwood just because of that.
Somebody is gettin swole up! Lookin great Luke! I love my chest bag it’s my daily carry! 🤘😎⛈️🔥
I liked the additional firearm storage space, the longer straps and the price on the Feiwood but I just couldn't get past the questionable quality of the zipper and buckle.
Where is the numbat manufactured? Great compare on these BTW.
I’d definitely try the knockoff. But I’d trust the numbat to outlast the other. The nylon and the thread are of less quality. Weight test would be interesting to see the point of failure. Thanks for comparison.
I do this a lot. When I see new gear, I look for cheaper knockoffs to use first to see if it would be something I feel I'd use all the time. Then I will invest in a better version product.
Question ; you said Helikon-Tex has copied other brands , are their copies bet , as good as or better than the ones that they are copying 🤔 ?
I got the Feiwood because $93 for the Helikon is a bit much. Also the Feiwood has that extra pocket which I can keep my ccw in. Can't wait to actually go hiking in it and test it out.
Feiwood = "廢物" The term represents someone or something that is useless or worthless, like trash.
However, I don't know why they chose to use this term as their brand name. It's just hilarious!
That was an eye opener, THANKS for the interpretation. 👍
I am going to go out on a limb and say - it’s other people who don’t understand your passion and think it’s useless. Do it anyway.
That begs the question: Would you buy a car from a manufacturer called "Always Breaks Down?"
@@cproteus exactly, yesterday I explained this in my comment for some reason it was removed. They’re not calling themselves losers it’s just the way they wrote the description not understanding nuance of English language. Maybe Luke got offended I mentioned they’re referring to those that use their products as losers seen through the eyes of others. Anyway, this description is accurate.
@@medicus5565 Chevy found out the hard way, in some countries "Nova" means "It won't go!" And Coca-Cola means "Bite the wax tadpole" in Chinese!
I kind of missed out on the helicopter-Tex. By the time I decided to buy pricing had jumped $20 and then I saw the Chinese version. I ordered it and it should be here Monday. At worst I’ll just return it but I am really interested to see how it compares to some of the other new entries into the market from 5.11 and viktas.
Mine came in Monday when this review was dropped although I didn't see it till just now. Taking it for a 3-nighter this weekend and excited to test it out.
I like the numbat, I use it to carry basic fishing gear, may or may not use it for a pistol while hiking some day. The shock cord and MOLLE on the outside is pretty useless. It's very comfortable for scrambling around brushy areas to get to fishing spots.
If I'd known about the cheaper version, I may have bought it. The Helikon was about $70 when I got it. I'm sure the cheaper would have lasted me fine for what I use it for, but the Helikon will last me forever.
As always thanks for the honest comparison in situation like this I’m thinking about how much I’m going to use this one of the reasons I wanted to chest rig was to carry a pistol while I’m in the woods so the cheaper one with the extra pistol pocket is what sold it for me I’m not going to be using this to do it through hike on the Appalachian Trail… I’m sure the quality is a bit better for double the price but I doubt I will need it
Love to support products made in our country, but that comes to a point. This is almost one third of the price. Depending on if it is something I am using daily, I go for the quality, but if it is a piece of gear that I will only use once in a while, then maybe the cheaper one.
Another great review! I feel like if youre not actually using the knock off version for "tactical" uses, it would be a good generla use. the main thing i was thinking about using it for is that itd be good for fishign to keep some gear on you. Barring wearing a fishing vest.
Like the zipper pulls on the cheaper version. The black tube helps from getting the pulls caught on things like limbs. While they are both nice, if they were sitting side by side, it would be the price for me. I would go with the cheaper as I don't wear or use alot of chest mounted items and would probably end up using it as a small storage bag for items that I would need quickly. Or it would end up being placed at the top of a backpack or attachment on said backpack.
Might carry one of those even lacking. Be nice for extra water too.
Don't do chest rigs personally but given the price and the comment that it's not bad, I would probably go for the Feiwood. And it doesn't look too bad. If I didn't like it then at least I'm not $80 ish out of pocket
Helikon-Tex slyly doesn’t list the country of manufacture. If I’m not mistaken, the Helikon-Tex is also made in China, like everything these days. So it’s not completely fair to refer to the Feiwood as the “Chinese” version. They both are Chinese, but the Helikon-Tex is targeting overseas customers, whereas younger upstart companies such as Feiwood begin with the domestic Chinese market, and eventually expand to overseas once they hit a certain performance benchmark.
Thanks for the review, Luke. However, I own a similar piece of gear from Hill People Gear, made in USA. More expensive than both, but from what I see from this review, better quality and functionality than either.
Luke did you finish the (search for big foot ep3)
Helikon-Tex always seems to want way too much money for their gear, IMO, therefor I always either opt for a knockoff or make my own gear based roughly off of what I like of theirs or other brand's stuff. No Numbnut front sack for me, thank you. Always glad to see you showcasing new stuff for us, though!
Luke, helicon is a Polish company but I bet they are still sourcing from Asia. Maybe not China specifically, but Asia. Another chest rig to look at is made by Viktos, called the Low Key Chest Rig. I have both the Helikon and the Viktos. They are comparable in price but the Viktos is a tad thicker and can carry 3 rifle mags as well as other gear, if you chose to use it that way. It’s worth a look. Viktos is an American company but sources material from Asia.
It is made in Vietnam.
Thanks for the review, not bad I guess people who can't afford the expensive one can get that one.thanks for sharing stay blessed
I gotta say I dislike the general notion of companies ripping off others with cheap knock offs. Well, and in general I dislike poorly made products, whether they're original or knock offs. AND since I've never used a chest rig it is appealing to be able to try one out for a more reasonable price. So I'm conflicted here
Alot of companies nick ideas from other products on the market sometimes expensive products are not as good as a cheaper products
Hi brother. Hope you and yours are doing well. I believe they calling themselves lossers to try to appeal to a certain nitch. Would you consider testing out the camppal products? Especially the one and two man tents. It is real unfortunately, but a budget is a thing for some of us.
I do not think they "call themselves losers", rather it is the opinion of some people that the outdoor passions and activities are for losers. This is the company embracing the moniker and demonstrating an "I don't care about your opinion" attitude.
there is a big difference in the purpose of these items, helikon tex has a bonfire as a symbol for bushcraft series and the other (feiwood) one has ccw compartments because is for tactical
wow......
Like you, I have both…and I have to say, that when you actually wear them, they function, about the same. Theoretically the ventilation on the Chinese one should be worse, but wearing it, I actually haven’t noticed any discomfort. I am one of those people who overstuff everything, and the extra room in the Chinese one is significant…I can fit a 12 oz water bottle in mine if I want. Finally, I got mine on sale at Amazon, for like $25…
Helikon tex doesn't have it available to purchase.......and hasn't for along time.
1st, in reference to the name. I wonder if something was lost in the translation. 2nd, if the Numbat had a second pocket, I would be willing to pay what they are asking for it. I like their products also but I am considering going with a Hill People rig.
Absolutely great video !!! I like the Chinese version, for a chest pack, it's good enough, thanks Luke
I won’t buy either because I have too much crap (too much of anything becomes garbage) but if I was in the market, I’d buy the less expensive, Chinese version. Free trade fights inflation.
I enjoy your videos. Keep going.
The Confucius has spoken.....in English 😂😂😂
PLEASE REVIEW FEIWOOD V2 CHEST RIG
Knock off front pocket looks like it would take a small water bottle which I think is an advantage.
I really love my numbat, wouldn’t replace it for any other copy. Price difference is really not that big.
Has anyone tried the 5.11 chest rig?
Take a look at Hill People Gear chest rigs
no thanks, not getting ripped off just to say made in America. LMAO
Great video Luke I might get 1 just to try out thanks
Hi this is CK from Singapore. My ethnicity is Chinese and I am a third gen Singaporean but that's a story for another day. The brand Feiwood has the same sounds as the Chinese phrase for useless person or 废物. The Chinese characters literally translates to useless object but is used primarily on people. Hence, the relation to loser.
Nice review video.
Glad you reminded me it was Chinese every 10 seconds, I kept forgeting.
For the other pocket and price I like the Feiwood.
Does it work for women?
With the differences in size, quality, and price, I would call them pretty close in value/$.
Ribz Pack is so much better than ANY chest rig, I mean light years! It holds twice as much and is twice as comfortable. I had the Hill People Gear chest rig. Loved it, until I got a Ribz.
Is it a knock off.... or a competitive product? Its obviously different enough to keep it out of patent infringement
I would go with the Hill People Gear design over either of them. However at a cost with shipping of close to $200 CDN for their Original chest pack, it is just not doable in Canada. Sometimes Chinese stuff is the only compromise that makes sense - haven't done it with a chest pack though.
I really think the 511 chest rig is slightly more functional than both of these and is at a price inbetween. It isn’t as large, but that makes it easier to wear your pack with it. I would be interested in your opinion on it!
Having worked with manufacturers in China during a college internship, it’s very common for companies to sell schematics between themselves. Linus Tech tips had a similar issue when making his screwdriver. This copy seems like a similar situation.
I have two interpretations of their mission statement.
1. They are trying to make a name for themselves like the Anti-Social Social Club merchandise. The "We are weird but we don't care" crowd.
2. Their product is targeted at airsofters or people who like to LARP(Live Action Role Play) as military. The pricing reflects thus. You don't need your gear to be as durable for airsoft.
The weird description of themselves is the result of using a Chinese online translation app. There are many Chinese products with English instructions or descriptions translated from Chinese this way. The translations are usually hilarious.
I like the extra pocket for my handgun. I’ll try one for only $36
I like both but if you are on a limited budget it’s an easy choice
You r really getting buff, keep up the good work.
Helikon Tex stuff is great. But it's too expensive. And for some reason, every dealer I have bought their gear from has been a complete let down in one way or another. I've had a terrible buying experience with getting my hands on the product.
Half the price and possibly not much difference in quality? Question you have to ask yourself is, if something failed on the cheaper version would you be in danger?
Id buy the chinese one if i was in the market.
Price, the extra pocket for the sidearm- that way you can be getting some things without showing your hand.
Ok did i miss it but i didn't see the results from your cameras that you set up looking for bigfoot
Personally ai would buy the cheaper alternative. Simply because it is good enough. 99% of people only need GOOD ENOUGH level. Only 1% need GOD TIER stuff. How ever, many people buy god tier stuff to look cool and show off. That is what I think they mean by the "loser" texting. People are often looked down upon using cheap gear. The manufacturer probably wants to change this.