What happened to the world record bass chase?
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- Bass After Dark, the most important - and funniest - show in fishing, is back for another lively, and LIVE, episode. Don't miss Ken Duke, Brian the Carpenter, and our three mystery guests (spoiler alert: it's Monte Burke, Jason Dotson, and Tom Lang) as we discuss the question: What happened to the world record bass chase?
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What a fantastic show!!! My favorite yet!
Thank you, Sarah! It was an absolute blast to do that one. Great guests make all the difference. (The smoking jacket helps, too.) -- Ken
Great job tonight! As usual there was lots of knowledge being shared! Top notch hosts, guests, and chat discussions!
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This question of trout in north America came up in the episode. On the rainbow trout, or brown trout side of it. A number of things maybe could be said. I do recommend episode 15, of the Hallowed Waters series. In which Matt Supunski interviews Bob Mallard from the State of Maine. To talk about eastern coast salmonoid species, bass, musky and rivers there in general.
First, on the brown trout which overlaps in terms of habitat and behavior with smallmouth bass in parts of the continent. The key difference being, that lots of trout and salmon varieties are migratory. They are distance travellers. Small mouth tend not to move into saltwater. Large mouth bass will occupy places that have some salinity to them. What really confuses matters in north America, where the continent is so huge. And places are thousands of miles away from oceans, such as in Montana or Michigan. Is that when brown trout haven't got saltwater coastlines to explore, instead they'll run out to freshwater lakes and such (migratory brown trout are not different in terms of genetics to non-migratory brown trout). They all have movement as a basic instinct. Even 'trophy' brown trout that exist in tailwater rivers in States like Arkansas.
Looking at where brown trout come from in Europe. There are mountain river habitats, and also small streams which discharge into North Sea, Baltic Sea etc. The brown trout existed in both. The brown trout in Pennsylvania and much of north America were Alpine Bavarian brown trout. Transplanted from there by German folk to moved to north America. They are a mountain fish. Whereas the sea-run brown trout in Falkland islands, Argentia, Tasmania etc. They were transplanted there by Scandinavians, Danish, Swedish or Norwegians. The same likely in places like Maine State, where Carrie Stevens would have trolled for brown trout too.
These Scandinavian brown trout are saltwater oriented. The Alpine or mountain region trout are resident fish (they lived so far inland, high up in the mountains and feeder streams to the Rhine river system). They didn't have proximity to saltwater to be able to re-locate. And it is that Alpine variety which seems to have replaced a lot of salmonoid stocks in north America. On the west coast and Pacific in north America, it seems to be a different story. The sea-run rainbow trout or Pacific steelhead has been moved out by small mouth bass. In a lot of those systems. And further south in California and in desert reservoirs, the imported Florida strain large mouth bass has replaced native rainbow trout (Pacific ocean run fish), in those catchment systems. With exception of rivers in Oregon, Washington and British Columbia.
And in order to feed the Florida strain large mouth bass in California State, they stocked sacrificial non-migratory rainbow trout by the millions (just to feed the record breaking large mouth bass populations of those western lakes and reservoirs). Further mixing up things, from a rainbow trout population's point of view. While at the same time as California rivers and lakes were flooded by stocked rainbows. Someone then got a bright idea to import California steelhead back to the Great lakes. So those Pacific rainbows, became 'lake run' rainbows, to go along with lake-run brown trout in those same Michigan river systems. The difference being, that Great Lakes, lake-run trout (either brown's or rainbow's), don't have to make a transition from saltwater to freshwater during their spawning migration runs. As the northern European sea-run brown trout would do (for example in Denmark). Or the Pacific sea-run rainbow trout would. In California and in rivers in days gone by, as far south as Mexico.
And in case that wasn't weird enough, the saltwater striped bass were loaded on to trains in New York and shipped all of the ways to California State too. To live on the west coast. Which is like another whole invasion of space, that used to belong to Pacific steelhead too. In those saltwater estuary habitats. An interesting part of the story too, in relation to large mouth bass is found when one looks at Grand Lake in the State of Oklahoma. That is where the experiment to introduce the Florida large mouth species eventually 'ran out of run way'. And more recent experiments have tried to search for the right hybrid species to introduce in Grand Lake. Which is able to survive cold times and warmer times better. The guys in Oklahoma on Grand Lake it seems, still have not solved that puzzle. However, everywhere we go we do find the need to introduce trout of some variety, simply to serve as feeding material for trophy bass. And that also comes at a steep price, wherever the bass angler and the native salmonoid species habitat do come into contact. Such as happened in California where steelhead rainbow once lived in rivers which discharged to the ocean. In the most unlikely places like San Diego.
That was your best show yet Ken. Of all your Ken Duke inspired Utube creations . The two biologists were VERY truthful and didn’t give a dame about sponsorship dollars or Industry money lol…..So nice to hear non- sugar coated answers especially the Texas Guy !
Thank you MrFishhook! It was a lot of fun, and we had the perfect panel. I love that the audience seems to be trusting us to deliver a good show with the right guests even though we don't publicize them in advance. We will not rest until we deserve the title of best bass fishing show! -- Ken
awesome show. thanks for all the work putting these together
Best show yet!
Much appreciated, Andy! -- Ken
My current PB largmouth was 11.4 she was 26.25" long & 17.5" in girth. Of course she was released & I had a replica done which turned out better than I hoped. Painted to match my pics . Same lake is where I saw guy catch a 13lber.
Another awesome show!
Thank you, Gregory! -- Ken
👏👏👏 Incredible conversation gentleman once again with knowledgeable people,thank you for the guest and the awesome team of Nathan Brian And Mr Ken ❤
Thank you, Ken! We're working hard to make it the best show it can be. -- Ken
Ken, this was an amazing topic and video!
That top-ten list was hilarious. Very well done.
Ok good to know. I obviously missed that part at the bottom...I saw it couple years ago. I'll check out podcast. Thanks
As a trophy bass fisherman from California there is so much more to this than most realize . You need food ( trout ) as well as weather that has seasons . When you have season it creates an aquatic environment that is healthy and stable . You get good natural weed growth that provides plenty of habitat for forage as well as the spawn . We have been on basically an endless summer here with a mix of torrential rain . Our water quality here in CA is horrible . The fish don’t get the nutrients they need to hit that freak size . We had it in the 90’s and early 2000’s . I have personally seen fish over 20+lbs . Haven’t seen once since 2005 though . Even fish over 10 lbs has been very hard to get last 8 years . Between the delta and the lakes fish over 10 lbs used to be consistent yearly , you’d catch em . Most would lose them but they got a shot at a giant . 2022 produced a ton of fish up to 9lbs but not many over 10 . 2023 was a horrible year but I’m hopeful that the weather and water we did get will make 2025-26 a decent couple years we just need water quality.
I'm from California too, and it sounds like ur just fishin the wrong water.... I know of a 18.55, a 19, and a lot of 10+ been caught last 6 years......
@@TheVoidNoob so what your saying is it’s very selective places. Kinda what I was getting at . How many giants have you caught , how many years have you been trophy fishing and do you notice the change ? There is always going to be a few giants here and there but in the late 90’s early 2000’s you’d hook up to one once a month . Big fish is relative to the water you fish so don’t do the “ your fishing the wrong water “ crap . Think for yourself stop regurgitating what you heard someone else say .
@user-xm8rf6ik7b hey man I'm not here to argue. Obviously it's not as good as it once was, I was just saying its not all bad there's still some places that have em. Hope you take a chill pill
@@TheVoidNoob your arguing what i originally stated . There is no need to comment . I definitely don’t need someone telling me I’m fishing the wrong water . I’m fishing what I have been fishing my whole life . There has been a decline in all lakes and rivers I fish . It’s that simple there is a decline .
@@user-xm8rf6ik7b ok boomer
Great shaow as always
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Good Show Guys
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Great show. I love the science and biology of fish.
I love the way Ken Duke introduces the topic and the high level intellectual discussions and the guests!
Its interesting to see how the goby, zebra mussels, alewife, trout, smelt, and perch have impacted our Great Lakes smallmouth populations. Zebra mussels descimated baitfish by reducing the phytoplancton and making the water clearer. But the combination of Goby and Trout have really fattened up the smallmouth. It also seems to have impacted smallmouth behavior.. I think that near world record smallmouth caught on the Canadian side of Erie and killed by their wildlife management is a shame. Having those genes and understanding its travel would have been priceless.
I suspect that trophy size bass travel with schools of other predatory species (walleye) to feed on baitfish..
Me also
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Ken is the best dressed guy in Bass fishing? The only other show I’ve watched is when he had Ben Milliken on and Ken wore the exact same suit 😂
Scott, my BAD character currently has a limited wardrobe budget. I hope to expand soon. I have my eyes on a terrific-looking red and black smoking jacket! -- Ken@@scottfrost8956
This is hands down the best show in bass fishing
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Great show guys!!!
Ken I love the show something I can watch at night in bed before work in the morning. And wake up to BTL. Good job on the content, and every show starts small and will get bigger. Especially if it’s intriguing and entertaining which aspects you guys bring especially with Milliken and Roy that shit was hilarious!! The only constructive criticism I can give is that maybe the production could use some work. But what do I know I’m a fisherman and a liar lol try to get Chris Zaldain or Lee livsey. Or get Boyd Ducket and the owner of BASS actually talk to each other and see why Boyd hates BASS so much which we all know he does. Or another good one would becKVD and why he retired so young and Zona too. Anyways Ken and Brian the cable guy good job . Brian The Cable guy great costume on Halloween. That was absolutely hilarious.
awesome, no other word to describe it!
Wow, Monte should have been on the scope show.
That would have SPICED things up!
Monte is a great fit for a lot of show topics! -- Ken
Great show!!
Could you make an episode explaining every fact we know about perry's fish? Would be really cool!!!
Biwa is the next WR again. The forage is there. Giant lake. South Africa seems to have a decent chance of it as well
South Africa or Zimbabwe 💪
Man ohh man I wish all states would take a chapter out of the old Texas / Florida book. I'm very curious how a bass of that caliper with those genetics would grow in the northern states. You should have Josh Jones on because he has caught a lot of DD in the northern states. He could express the amount of potential in the upper states.
Awesome keep it up
Thank you, klfishing444! We appreciate the support. -- Ken
Would stocking trout in the cooler months in the South and stocking tilapia in the warmer months be the ultimate combo to grow big bass? Trout die when the weather warms and tilapia die when the weather cools.
This was but there were a few unexplored areas critical to this topic. Farmed records vs natural. And then the international weigh as it stands. Ie the 27# floater out of Bacarrac. And a 30# Columbia River rumor ❤
Epic show Ken your smoking jacket is absolutely gorgeous 😊!
Thank you, HukNBux!
Great show. I believe the main cause of less world class bass is due to EXTREMELY excessive amounts of tournaments. It creates a negative chain reactions... Higher mortality rates, less fish care, fish displacement, less spawning, etc etc etc. The population of recreational fisherman putting fish in livewells is very small.
I chased trout around Montana for the last 50 years and hearing them referred to as 'vitamin C' sure makes me wonder at the number of vitamin C's I've 'taken'.
Vitamin “T” 😉
Monte mistakenly said Casitas at least three times when it was actually Castaic Lake that he was referencing
Ken
Merry Christmas 🎄🎁 from Georgia
12/24/23 went fishing
Top five Bass 30 pounds.
None over 10 pounds so still going after it😎
Three at over 6 pounds..
Thank you for all you do and here is to a great 2024 did somebody say 🐟💦 trout? Lol.
Have any of you guys seen an article about Roy Greer's largmouth caught South Carolina in 2021??? It was 22lb 8oz & was 31- 3/4" long x 29- 1/8" in girth. There's only the one article I found & has pictures, it looks legit but IDK if it is or isn't?? Maybe it wasn't certified correctly?
Never heard of it? Do you have the article?
Max, that was an April Fool's joke played by the editor of Sporting Classics back in 1997. If you read the online version, the last paragraph reveals it was a joke. The original print version did not. By the way, my other podcast (The Big Bass Podcast) did an episode on the Greer story. I hope you'll check it out. -- Ken
I think the Ocmulgee River and its oxbows are very well capable of producing 20 plus pound bass. Three of the biggest bass ever caught in Georgia were caught less than 20 miles from each other George Perry’s world record 22 lb 4 oz bass, a Douglas, GA anglers 18.5 lb bass caught in a Davis 50 acre pond recently and a Telfair County 16 lb bass caught near Jacksonville, GA by a lady a few years ago. This part of South Georgia has the fertile grounds and waterways to produce trophy fish including World Records.
The 18.5 lb bass was caught in Jeff Davis County.
winnsports, I respectfully disagree. I am convinced that Perry is a fraud, and I have quite a bit of evidence. One compelling piece fact is that the second biggest certified bass from Georgia weighed 18-1 (caught in the 1980s from what is now a PFA). I've seen photos of the alleged 18.5 and believe it to be a fake, too. It might weigh 11 or even 12, but to call that fish 18 is more than mere exaggeration. It's fabrication! Besides, the fish you reference (18.5 and 16) are far below world class heavyweights. There's just no history for that quality of bass in Georgia other than the highly suspect Perry fish -- NONE!
I caught the new world record a couple years ago, but they refused to certify the fillets.
59:00 Ben Milliken
Year’s back they found a 20+ pounder floating dead on Lake Fork. I think they are out there, they are deep, rarely shallow, spawning in tree tops not deep enough to be seen in most cases.
There have been stories of Bass in Mexico being close to 20 as well.
Factors are what they are though, we will never know until the next record is caught.
Just look at the spotted bass record taken recently enough. Someone figured it out.
Someone may figure it out with FFS soon.
My worry is that it happens with an arig and appears to be snagged. Ideally, if it happens, that it is a clean, no doubt catch!
On the big fish angler.
Episode 33 in the Hallowed Waters series on podcast, an Icelandic angler Arni Baldursson says a bit on big fish, big scenery and big, brutal water. That break every item of fishing tackle that an angler can own. And he explains how hard it is to get to these remote places, and that aspect to the experience.
@@academicmailbox7798what does that have to do with bass? Just the pursuit of big fish in general?
@@Davo2233 The angler who is likely to attach themself to a dedication to the pursuit of a large fish, or a record. Is an angler that is almost a sub-group, or sub-category of anglers more broadly. They're just wired different. And just how different, is hard or impossible to appreciate, unless one listens to one describe their work. And the lengths they go to in the pursuit of that work. I'd compare it to Laird Hamilton in surfing say, Laird said that he avoided competition surfing. Surfing in competition he reckoned made you surf and think about surfing in a certain way (so that judges would award you highest points). He reckons though, that in the pursuit of bigger waves that competition surfing was a negative. And that feeds into what Monte talked about too, the reaction that anglers who had caught big bass provoked from other anglers was strange (that broader community of bass angler were made to feel uncomfortable by this one angler who had pursued a different goal).
There is one strange intersection between bass fishing in Florida State, and Arni's stories from the remote northern Atlantic ocean that one could mention. It was when Bradley Hallman was practising his craft in that southern State in 2023, he was throwing what he called a golden roach lure he had obtained. Bradley found this very funny. What where these Floridian's thinking, naming lures after household pests? I explained to Bradley at the time, that he didn't quite get the point that Monte Burke often talks about (see any conversation in which Monte described his story about fly fishing in the State of Florida). He tracks the progression of this sport from ancient Macedonia and the bronze age civilization that existed back then. That collapsed around 1700 BC we know. Not before the sport of fly fishing passed to the Romans and finally made it's way to Britain. Where in some way, the British and other European colonists at that time exported fly fishing to Scandinavia. Iceland where Arni was from was a protected territory of Denmark. And in fact, the Danish people managed to fish their Atlantic salmon stocks to total extinction. They were gone. However, the Danish people still had Iceland and Greenland too. So the Danish folks went there to fish.
Someplace in that Matt Supinski interview with Baldursson of Iceland, they get around to talking about Ireland and the river Blackwater. Which is the place where English anglers back in the day would travel to Ireland. Bringing bait fish with them. To use as live bait, in the way that shiners are put on hooks nowadays and fished in the same way in the Florida State. What were these bait fish called on the river Blackwater they used to catch Atlantic salmon with? The golden roach, and they escaped eventually and now inhabit this river. Where Arni fishs nowadays. Two rivers start in a mountain there, and one river flows east and becomes the Blackwater in which the golden roach lives. The other river flows west and discharges at the Atlantic coastline, and is 'roach-free'. That's where I learned how to fish. Strangely enough, I hadn't heard about roach fishing either, until Bradley Hallman mentioned it once. Fishing on the Bassmaster Elites series in Florida in 2023. And to the present day, Arni and his friends from up north in Europe fish their artificial gold colored flies to the present day. Having various names for them. And they do work, just as the live bait fish roach did back in the day. In fact, you could almost argue that those Blackwater river anglers were like the first glide bait anglers, who went to great expense and effort to catch trophy sized fish on realistic looking large baits.
obsession of bass fishing may not be about the world record and more to obtainable 10 lb plus fish.
I watched a largemouth engulf a striper I was reeling in, up to it’s eyeballs not 4 feet away from me. That striper measured 23 1/4”. Don’t sleep on the California delta.
Someone like Johnny Morris should put prize money out there for a world record largemouth and maybe state records too maybe could get us to pay a small entry fee we are suckeres lol. Maybe a million for a world record and 10k for a state record.
That was basically the format of the Big Bass Record Club in the late '90s and early 2000s. Ultimately, they couldn't sell enough $20 memberships to pay for the insurance policies. -- Ken
I think the videos are definitely insightful. With BTC chugging cans of beer I just can’t take it seriously.
The reality is no one does the slot anymore. It’s 100%catch and release.
Geneticists are needed, hybrid vigor --look it up; for all the technological advances in farming, they'll(non-chud -- non-religious -- actual scientists) tell you that 90% of the increase was from breeding DIFFERENT varieties, not the same 13lb corn(bass) over and over again. That bass in Japan was a hybrid, the cali bass likely were too(non floridas were stocked way before.)
Yes, yao ming was a breeding project from 2 of the tallest people in china, but Shaq happens and the tallest person ever in China wasn't bred from tall people.
They touched on it a bit, but you also need a real historian to lay out the fact that the many of the records come from new/ish bodies of water, predators exploit, and not necessarily out of hunger; see the damage our cats have done to bird populations--they weren't hungry, just programmed to hunt.
Mullers Ratchet, check it out. (pretty sure that was to do with mushroom genetics, but the point remains.)
Edit: also diseases, see the Native Peoples of the Americas who were devastated.
TPWD on one hand promotes Share a Lunker…..,and on the other hand approve grass carp permits well over their own white paper recommendations …..go look at the history of Lake Austin. Went from #3 lake in the country to not even a mention in the top 100 the next year
I don't believe the world record will ever be broken again. Itleast not from public waters. Invasive species of animals & vegetation. Also, the droughts, agriculture run off, constant spraying of pesticides & fishing pressure bring me to that conclusion. I hate being pessimistic, but that's how I feel about it. Hope I'm wrong.
How old are twenty pound bass? Are they sterile? Chinook, Oncorhynchus tshawytscha, the record salmon are sterile and older than their cohorts.
Just do a Google search with that name & SC. You will find it. I can't remember how I came across it but it was a long while ago. Then I never heard anything else about it. Idk if it is legit or not?
Ohio Bass fishing sucks. State record is 13lbs. From 1976 in a private pond. I've fished all over and never seen anything over 6lbs. We need Florida Bass genetics here.
They forgot my name. Wyatt stevens.a underrated not well know
San diego big bass hunter.ive been fishing the same lake together. For almost 24 yrs .Can't believe time has flew by but yea I've been fishing elbow to elbow on the same lake with him and we share info with each other and our catches and areas and really get along good when it comes to competing to catch a record bass on our home lake in our backyard still to this day .
and he's a great fisherman when it comes to the lake we happen to fish togather.and it was just a matter of who had the money to be on the water more during the spring time. And just so happened I missed that one day that changed the Bass fishing world ..I commend Jed for his persistent pursuit of the fish on this lake we tend to try and be on everyday of the month for 3 months of the year.and fyi there is still a couple fish there that will be caught soon that are just as big as Dottie..I've stopped fishing the lake for the last 3 yrs.because it kinda in my mind has died off a little.and I've been fishing in my Ranger alot more lately than the rentals. But that is only because I've seen and know that there are a few fish there that need a few yrs to fatten up a little more and it is almost time for another big fish possibly this spring to come out of our lake .caught by who we'll Tha just depends on who's fishing it every single day between March and may .and don't count anyone out especially us locals and along with a aquantince of mine Jed Dickerson. ..
I've unfortunately had a stroke 3 yrs ago and I have been recovering and I'm almost ready to start hitting our lake up after this brief time off .I'm just glad nothing big has been caught that I've missed .it's real hard when you have a bass boat and a couple more sandiego lakes that I now fish in my own boat that I fish the way I like to fish .and the couple other lakes besides the one that jed and I fish do have some very big fish in that I've seen this last year or 2 .so don't be surprised if the next record bass comes out of one of these trout fisheries that I fish other than our local home of Dottie lake.god bless thanks for the show it was awesome keep them coming
Love the no 1 fisherman inspired gifts .randy blauket or how ever you spell his name ..that guy advanced electronics by randy.b.available only on VHS Lmfao. RANDY BLAUKUT IS A YANG
I think 10 of the top 20 biggest bass ever caught have come from our sandiego trout stocked fisheries.the other 10 biggest fish half of those were taken out of central california trout stocked fisheries.only 4 or 5 out of the 20 havent been caught in southern california.so definetly the next biggest fish will come out of southern california..and texas the only way a record fish 20lbs or bigger will come out of thst state is because they grow them and say that they catch them .that isnt fair .thats cheating.
You cant grow bass and then say your 20lb fish that comes out of texas is a legal record bass .all of southern california record top 20 biggest bass ever caught gave come from our lakes that were naturaly grew to that size you texas yang.but i do admire the share lunker for the work they do in bass managment but you cant grow a record size bass and someone catches it in a lake you released itin is legal. And RiP Bob Crupi big bass angler record holder .
He was the big bass fisherman unlike the the way you texans catch fish .yea you cant grow a record bass and say that you caught it that is cheating