Britain this is an outrage. How could anyone with a conscience defend someone who not only gleefully murdered innocent civilians but gloated and lied that they had killed gunmen. How can you live with the thought that criminals like that walk among you. This is an outrage. If they try to stop these prosecutions there will be serious repercussions.
@@Drifty40 This event is in living memory, not history. The British State and Army said they were terrorists and they weren't. So, not only killed them but sullied their memory also. Seems the British Army weren't the 'goodies' in Northern Ireland, many British people make them out to be. British soldiers represented the State when they shot those innocent people. If you think there should be a general amnesty re legacy killings in Northern Ireland, then you are putting the British Army in the same category as terrorists.
@@Drifty40 The main suspect in the Kingsmill massacre was an ex-soldier linked to 30 murders and he was also a paid informant (allegedly). The authorities already know who committed this atrocity and even awarded two of the (alleged) perpetrators with comfort letters. You will have to ask the UK Government as to why they have never followed through with prosecutions in this case and as to why they still refuse to release all documents relating to this atrocity.
50 years, half a century is far to long and at least in the end all victims were vindicated and proven innocent but now we should spare a thought for victims of both sides of the troubles and especially those who died because of religious hatred and who will probably never see the day when justice will be served in their cases. R.I.P. to all of those who lost their lives.
Christopher nothing to do with religion it is to do with pro republicans against orange unionist bigot who are full of hate spite and hate anything Irish though the idiots are god help us irish if we could ship them somewhere but unhappily nobody underline nobody wants them
How wrong you are with your comments and the hatred between the Protestant and Roman Catholic English began long before either party set foot in my country but sadly both sides brought their hatreds here and the Native Irish were then both caught up and became victims to their savage like wars and it is non nationals, the descendants of Roman Catholic English settlers who control my country now and they over the last two decades or so have done their level best to water our numbers down by opening our ports to all comers from across the globe.
To hold people today, responsible and accountable for something which occurred in the 12th Century and justify murder in the name of it is ridiculous. The world is a different place in the 21st century, it has moved on. Some people haven't and are too consumed with a past they had no part in, to care about the future for everyone.
Who remembers Chirpy Chirpy Cheap Cheap? That song with the line "where's you mama gone?" was in the charts at the time. The Para's were singing it to the kids on the Ballymurphy, "Where's your papa gone? we've killed your Father."
@@Drifty40 Nothing like that at all. The paras where ment to support law and order but they proved on both occasions to be the law breakers. Even soldiers of other British regiments were critical of them for their lack of discipline and professionalism on the streets.
@@allezlesrogues well said Gerard before lockdown I travelled from Renfrew near Glasgow to Derry they were the same PARA regiment who murdered 14 in Derry if the thugs were captured and imprisoned in 71 this may not have happened
@@Drifty40 Violence begets violence. Who or what do you think laid the foundations for that quote in the first place? British occupation in Ireland and the Paras mass murder of civilians of course.
@@saxglend9439 They stole Irish lands and resources. What do you expect if you go into another country and steal people's lands and resources and try and assimilate them into your culture? The clue is in the name settlers. They were colonial settlers who stole Irish lands and resources.
Pure Republican propaganda ! Attempting to hold people today responsible and accountable for something which occurred 800 years ago is ridiculous. The world has moved on since the 12th Century. Too many people consumed with the past they had no part in, than to care about the future of everyone.
Massive atrocities were committed on both sides. But the British Army and the powers that be maintained the cover-up. Only true reconciliation can be made when the collision is owned up to.
Reconciliation begins when the guilty acknowledge their guilt and sincerely wish to make amends. Abandonment of any hope for justice makes reconciliation forever impossible.
Whoever, at ministry, or MOD level decided to put Airborne Assault troops into the country for peace keeping duties, should have been in the dock justifying their rationale. Not condoning the Paras actions, but it's always the mugs on the ground that get held accountable.
The tone and attitude of the "reporter" questioning the 2 family members is disgusting. Typical of what C4 has become these days ....He should be sacked
This is an Extremely Sad day for Genuine British People living in England, that were fed Lies upon Lies about the Troubles in the North of Ireland over this Period. We have all watched BBC Spotlight Programmes etc. over the years, and Public Tribunal's of cover ups by the Whole British System during these Periods. So we can see for ourselves, something was very wrong in Ireland. The biggest mistake was made, when British troops were sent into a situation that they knew nothing about, to be Peace keepers. The Majority of the Population in this part of Ireland going back to 1921 at the foundation of this State seen themselves as British and it's fair to say, took full advantage of this, with Jobs, Gerrymandering Voting, Housing etc. The British army could only take one side, (The British Majority.) There was plenty of Atrocities over the years from 1921 leading up to 1969 . The Catholics started a Peaceful Civil Rights movement to claim for Equal Rights , and this is where all the Violence started. The then Orange State didn't see anything wrong with treating Catholics as second class citizens??? The History is out there for anyone who wishes to Educate themselves on these facts. No Population living in England would tolerate the same circumstances that the Native Catholics had to endure in their own Land. I hope lessons have been learned, and both People's can come together as one. I am so sorry for all the Families involved! .
@@ChristianPatriarchy Honestly how do you wake up in the morning valueing yourself? I mean do you not find having to defend soldiers murdering civilians on a youtube comment section perhaps a low point in your life? Of all the things you could do this is it? What have you achieved?
The tragedy of this is that two men, who would be instrumental in the IRA. Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness witnessed two massacre's within six months of each other. Initiated by the leader of the parachute regiment. The now leader of the British armed forces Peter Jackson. Up until that point, the IRA had very little support. The question that begs to be asked, is would the conflict take a different rout if the British hadn't taken such strong armed approach?. While it has to be acknowledged, history is never that simple and to reduce chain of events to one point in history. Often overshadows the motives and behaviors of other marginalized forces that were beginning to gain a foothold in Northern Ireland. However, one has to ask the question, what was the role of the British security forces in the North Ireland at that time. We know that along, with British Security Forces the RUC and UDA ran a clandestine unit called Glenanne Gang that were responsible for Dublin and Monaghan bombings, the Miami show band killing and Hill crest bar bombing. The worst of these members was Robin Jackson a security operative that has been know to have been involved in at least 20 murders of civilians. Jackson is the key to unlock this relationship, between MI5, RUC and loyalist paramilitaries, because Jackson was also a member Special Patrol Group.. It's here that we begin to uncover, the true extent of British collision who ran operatives in shoot to kill policy that would latter take Pat Finucane life, the Mobile Reaction Group and the Forced Research Group would target Trade Unionist, Human rights lawyers and Journalist. The reason why this is significant is because the leadership of these groups, such as Sir Gordon Wier the head of the forced research Unit would play a massive role in clandestine operation in Iraq. It is my suspicion that Pat Finucane case will not be heard, is precisely to protect Sir Gordon Wier. The true extent of his influence in Iraq will not be known for at least another 50 years, long before he is dead. But if anything is to go by, his finger prints on the Northern Ireland conflict will follow same trajectory in Iraq
British security personnel were directly involved in the killing of 187 innocent men, women and children during the conflict in Northern Ireland and indirectly involved in 100's more. None of the soldiers involved will be prosecuted or convicted. They have been protected by the UK Government for decades and this will not change. Shameful.
@@Drifty40 and the relevance of that is.....? So if a Catholic was murdered by the IRA it was a crime but it was not a crime if a Catholic was murdered by the UVF or a British soldier? This argument about the IRA killing more of their own is used as an excuse for killings committed by the RUC and British soldiers. It would only be relevant if you were classing the RUC and British soldiers involved in the murder of innocent people as paramilitaries /terrorists, then that would be comparing like with like.
The British army shot them, and no, no one has been charged for the crimes, and no one is likely to be, as the British government has recently put legislation in place to prevent prosecution from crimes before the GFA. The criminal actions committed by the Military Reaction Force (MRF) and the organisers responsible, people like, Frank kitson, should be at least considered for investigation. What they did was illegal.
If they allowed these convictions to proceed then it would bring down the house of cards and would shed a light on the true extent of British State involvement during the conflict. The UK Government continue to refuse to release documents on a number of atrocities on the grounds of "National Security", even though some of these occurred in the 1970's. Some of these documents are sealed until 2054 and I would guess even at that stage they will be heavily redacted.
@Yourda 473i of course the Irish Government strongly denies assisting the IRA because it did not happen. The evidence simply would not back up your claim. That does not mean that some Irish politicians were not sympathetic to the cause and supported the armed conflict. A couple of Ministers even tried to send money to the republican movement in the early 70's so that they could purchase weapons to defend their communities from loyalist attacks. And members of the Gardai, especially in the border counties, did support the IRA and gave them information and warned them about impending arrests. But it would be ridiculous to put Ireland's level of involvement on a par with that of the UK Government. The Special Branch, MI5, British Army, these were all running and controlling agents/informants in the republican and loyalist paramilitaries. Many of these informants have since been implicated in a number of murders and atrocities - Kingsmill, Enniskillen, Loughlinisland, Miami Showband.
@terry phidaheights throughout the conflict prisons in Northern Ireland, England and Ireland were full of republican prisoners so I don't see how your point is relevant. But why did you just mention the IRA and omit the loyalists who actually murdered the most innocent men, women and children during the troubles? There have also been republican paramilitaries prosecuted and convicted for historic crimes and there is a significant case at the moment which is set to resume shortly. Although it is looking more likely that he will walk away from this prosecution if the UK Government proceed with their "amnesty" for crimes committed prior to the signing of the GFA in 1998. So by bringing in this amnesty the UK Government are protecting everyone from prosecutions for historic crimes - republicans, loyalists and british security personnel.
@terry phidaheights not sure what current paramilitary activities have to do with historic crimes committed by the paramilitaries and British security personnel. Dissident republicans are still about and the UDA are kept busy protecting their drugs business. I don't think that I implied anywhere that the paramilitaries have gone away.
@@leebowden738 the IRA only came about and had to come about because of what the British armed forces had done in Ireland now I'm against bombing shooting civilians but both sides have that on there hands
@@leebowden738 if the brits hadn't colluded with loyalists and slaughter so many innocent Catholics then these shopping centers would never have happen. you wanted a war and you got one.
@Yourda 473i THERE YA ARE AGAIN! Commenting on another Irish video, every video you go on seems to be related to the Irish! You hate the fact that you ain't one of us that you need to be a troll or sumthin kid? Little boring hun, you seem to have nothing better to do.
Channel for should be ashamed of this reporter. He is supposed to remain impartial and all he did was patronise the two men, their families and their campaigns.
I don't get why the PM can't come out and apologize! It would make a big difference. Sick of all this hatred and bullying in the world. Imagine that was your family!! Britain and Ireland are so intertwined it shouldn't be like this.
@Yourda 473i Next year's elections will be won by Sinn Fein, the nationalists will win in votes and seats, the clause of the Good Friday Agreement for the referendum and future reunification will soon be activated, you will see and you can only cry.
@Yourda 473i Sinn Fein was the most voted party in the Republic last year, you say nonsense. In the next elections Stormont will also win and there will be a nationalist prime minister, the occupation will end very soon. Ireland's gross domestic product is $ 448 billion, you keep saying nonsense.
That’s what happens in occupied countries leave their country then they can sort their problems out, as a British person I would not like Ireland to rule us so I can see their point of view and what they done to those people shocked decent people in Mainland Britain and the rest of the world
We just don’t understand why you can’t live together in peace, as we do in Mainland Britain , we have moved on ,we have all sorts of people from all over the world living side by side , sorry if I upset you but it is how we feel over here
Very true my dear it does not seem to trouble thembut they should be dealt with in as soon as possible it's getting a bit late they need jail time before they die
@@pocketfella5176 do you not listen to the news its a war zone on the streets in Britain, the youths are stabbing each other daily the country is divided by brixit the place is a shithole
Adams was rumoured to be commander of the Ballymurphy Battalion at the time but his strategy was to alienate the people from the Brits not to go on the offensive, that would come later. His strategy obviously worked helped in no small part by the Paras.
Is it not time for an inquiry and justice for the 30 victims of the IRA Castlederg massacre??? Let's see just how quick the cowardly IRA will hand over information.
Why are you directing your comments on people that have no links to the IRA? Keep fighting for justice for those people just like the families of the ballymurphy massacre and hopefully you receive justice one day. Not all "catholics" are IRA sympathisers and the families and friends of those killed in ballymurphy have no links to the IRA nor did anyone who was murdered that day that is the exact point of the whole inquiry, it was to clear the victims and families who were labeled as IRA members when infact they were innocent civilians, so I don't see how anyone involved in the ballymurphy massacre should be held accountable for the deaths of other innocent people from unionist backrounds?? I think you should take up the matter of an inquiry for justice for unionist civilians with local MLAs and the PSNI as looking for answers from people with no links to the IRA isn't going to lead to results.
Same problem in loads of places. A lot of oversimplification below, FYI. British empire governed their empire via divide & rule. They encouraged divisions via race or religion or anything. If the natives fought amongst themselves, they wouldn’t rise up against their oppressors. Same in India and Syria/Lebanon, South Africa, etc. Then when they left, they partitioned countries via those lines. Catholics in NofI fought for equal rights since partition with little success. Catholics couldn’t get good jobs or property, etc. The ruling Protestant community ran an apartheid land to preserve their power. In the 1960s, encouraged by MLK Jr, Catholics started peaceful protests for equal rights. British govt responded with troops & bullets. Where US passed laws for civil rights & integration & sent military to ensure African Americans were protected, British govt sent in troops to maintain the status quo. So some Republicans/Catholics turned to violent means to achieve their goals, because peaceful ones weren’t working. The IRA had a counter-force in the Protestant community (UDA/UVF). The protestant paramilitary community was actually older, set up in 1913 by the Belfast Agreement. Protestant communities raised armies bc they were afraid that Ireland would get independence & were willing to fight to stay in the U.K. It was this force that spurred the Republican/Catholic communities to create the IRA. The British govt couldn’t handle fighting a guerrilla war on their own land & acted very inappropriately with their military. The families of those indiscriminately shot by the military have spent the last 50+years seeking justice. BTW the apartheid situation only ended in 1999 with the good Friday agreement. The analogy to S Africa by the journalist is appalling. The indigenous Catholic community did not become the powerful community that the indigenous black community did in S Africa. Plus the issues in S Africa were internal between the 2 communities living there, not a third community (the British army) raining bullets. HTH.
@Yourda 473i They were being burnt out of their homes. Its hard to grasp it given Irelands lived experience but they were not Marxists and didn't have an analysis of the role of the armed forces as part of an Imperialist State. Do you think they should have asked the Irish Army to go in? I somehow don't think that would have bern straightforward.
When you take away a dead IRA mans gun then he becomes an 'innocent civilian', and very useful for propaganda purposes. It also helps when the coroner and the head of PPS are Republican sympathisers.
I don't think you would recognise the truth, scary or otherwise, if it came up and kicked you up the ar.se When things don't go some people's way they always resort back to the tried and tested "republican propaganda" and "republican sympathisers". It must get boring been wrong all of the time.
Funny how the British media refuses to use the word murder.
This isn't justice, they dragged it out hoping their families would be dead and buried by the time the truth finally was revealed.
Indeed...
Quite true & there's a very long list of other innocents killed by the warmongering cowards.
I wouldn’t say it’s the truth it’s just appeasement.
Aiming and pulling the trigger on unarmed civilians, what brave men of the parachute regiment.
Britain this is an outrage. How could anyone with a conscience defend someone who not only gleefully murdered innocent civilians but gloated and lied that they had killed gunmen. How can you live with the thought that criminals like that walk among you. This is an outrage. If they try to stop these prosecutions there will be serious repercussions.
"Found innocent" ? They were never on trial.
@Ktharine Larkin You Thick creature!!
It was put out that they were terrorists.
They were not.
They were innocent people shot dead by the British Army.
@@roisinmalone3015
An inquest into Kingsmill massacre and Darkley killings should now be forthcoming and perpetrators brought to justice.
@@Drifty40
This event is in living memory, not history.
The British State and Army said they were terrorists and they weren't.
So, not only killed them but sullied their memory also.
Seems the British Army weren't the 'goodies' in Northern Ireland, many British people make them out to be.
British soldiers represented the State when they shot those innocent people.
If you think there should be a general amnesty re legacy killings in Northern Ireland, then you are putting the British Army in the same category as terrorists.
@@Drifty40 The main suspect in the Kingsmill massacre was an ex-soldier linked to 30 murders and he was also a paid informant (allegedly). The authorities already know who committed this atrocity and even awarded two of the (alleged) perpetrators with comfort letters. You will have to ask the UK Government as to why they have never followed through with prosecutions in this case and as to why they still refuse to release all documents relating to this atrocity.
50 years, half a century is far to long and at least in the end all victims were vindicated and proven innocent but now we should spare a thought for victims of both sides of the troubles and especially those who died because of religious hatred and who will probably never see the day when justice will be served in their cases.
R.I.P. to all of those who lost their lives.
Christopher nothing to do with religion it is to do with pro republicans against orange unionist bigot who are full of hate spite and hate anything Irish though the idiots are god help us irish if we could ship them somewhere but unhappily nobody underline nobody wants them
@@miakeogh6844
That comment is so full of hypocrisy its laughable !
You're as much of a bigot as youre attempting to stigmatise others of.
How wrong you are with your comments and the hatred between the Protestant and Roman Catholic English began long before either party set foot in my country but sadly both sides brought their hatreds here and the Native Irish were then both caught up and became victims to their savage like wars and it is non nationals, the descendants of Roman Catholic English settlers who control my country now and they over the last two decades or so have done their level best to water our numbers down by opening our ports to all comers from across the globe.
To hold people today, responsible and accountable for something which occurred in the 12th Century and justify murder in the name of it is ridiculous.
The world is a different place in the 21st century, it has moved on.
Some people haven't and are too consumed with a past they had no part in, to care about the future for everyone.
@@NATASEXISTS
I would say the European Union and its policies is more relevant to opening up your ports to global immigrants.
Who remembers Chirpy Chirpy Cheap Cheap? That song with the line "where's you mama gone?" was in the charts at the time. The Para's were singing it to the kids on the Ballymurphy, "Where's your papa gone? we've killed your Father."
A bit like........
13 gone and not forgotten, we got 18 and Mountbatten".
You mean ?
1st class hypocrisy !
@@Drifty40 Nothing like that at all. The paras where ment to support law and order but they proved on both occasions to be the law breakers.
Even soldiers of other British regiments were critical of them for their lack of discipline and professionalism on the streets.
@@allezlesrogues well said Gerard before lockdown I travelled from Renfrew near Glasgow to Derry they were the same PARA regiment who murdered 14 in Derry if the thugs were captured and imprisoned in 71 this may not have happened
@@Drifty40 it was 14 if ur talking about Derry
@@Drifty40 Violence begets violence. Who or what do you think laid the foundations for that quote in the first place? British occupation in Ireland and the Paras mass murder of civilians of course.
Britain out of Ireland.
@@ChristianPatriarchy Well the comman travel area is now written in offical law... so good luck with that
@@ChristianPatriarchy ur caps lock broken mate
Not in Ireland and n Ireland is British so jog on
@@ChristianPatriarchy done! You 1st
@@ChristianPatriarchy u mean when the pricks get out of Ireland
It's a long overdue. But where's the justice? No accountability for the English state again
@@saxglend9439
They stole Irish lands and resources.
What do you expect if you go into another country and steal people's lands and resources and try and assimilate them into your culture?
The clue is in the name settlers. They were colonial settlers who stole Irish lands and resources.
@@saxglend9439
Why would I do that?
Pure Republican propaganda !
Attempting to hold people today responsible and accountable for something which occurred 800 years ago is ridiculous.
The world has moved on since the 12th Century.
Too many people consumed with the past they had no part in, than to care about the future of everyone.
@@Drifty40
The plantations didn't happen 800 hundred years ago.
I was responding to a comment that has since been removed.
@@roisinmalone3015
Pedantic !
My comment still stands.
People keep bringing up the IRA ... these people where not even in the IRA.
Massive atrocities were committed on both sides. But the British Army and the powers that be maintained the cover-up. Only true reconciliation can be made when the collision is owned up to.
Catch yourself on!
BRITS OUT FROM IRELAND
Er, have you not heard? The part of Ireland that wants to be free is! And is part of the EU
Go back to your 'occupied 26 counties'! Still a colony of the EU. Laughable.
@@clarissagafoor5222 Part of the EU free? good one. The EU is trillion $ business.
Reconciliation begins when the guilty acknowledge their guilt and sincerely wish to make amends. Abandonment of any hope for justice makes reconciliation forever impossible.
IRA never acknowledged all their murders did they
@@gowdsake7103 go away ya brit loving freak ya
@@gowdsake7103 Waaaah Waaaah IRA waaah- british people trying to get people to ignore their warcrimes
@@MarinesMalevolentRule69 Better than being indescrimnate murdering scum
Whoever, at ministry, or MOD level decided to put Airborne Assault troops into the country for peace keeping duties, should have been in the dock justifying their rationale. Not condoning the Paras actions, but it's always the mugs on the ground that get held accountable.
And the brits think we should go into partnership with them , they need a real history lesson
The tone and attitude of the "reporter" questioning the 2 family members is disgusting. Typical of what C4 has become these days ....He should be sacked
This is an Extremely Sad day for Genuine British People living in England, that were fed Lies upon Lies about the Troubles in the North of Ireland over this Period.
We have all watched BBC Spotlight Programmes etc. over the years, and Public Tribunal's of cover ups by the Whole British System during these Periods.
So we can see for ourselves, something was very wrong in Ireland.
The biggest mistake was made, when British troops were sent into a situation that they knew nothing about, to be Peace keepers. The Majority of the Population in this part of Ireland going back to 1921 at the foundation of this State seen themselves as British and it's fair to say, took full advantage of this, with Jobs, Gerrymandering Voting, Housing etc.
The British army could only take one side, (The British Majority.)
There was plenty of Atrocities over the years from 1921 leading up to 1969 .
The Catholics started a Peaceful Civil Rights movement to claim for Equal Rights , and this is where all the Violence started.
The then Orange State didn't see anything wrong with treating Catholics as second class citizens???
The History is out there for anyone who wishes to Educate themselves on these facts.
No Population living in England would tolerate the same circumstances that the Native Catholics had to endure in their own Land.
I hope lessons have been learned, and both People's can come together as one.
I am so sorry for all the Families involved!
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Well deserved. This was a war crime, plain and simple.
@@ChristianPatriarchy So your saying the moral standards of the british army is the same standards of terriosts?
@@ChristianPatriarchy what do them tragic events have to do with the British army murdering 10 innocent people?
@@ChristianPatriarchy That was terrorism. You seem to be trying to score points here. I don't particularly care for it.
@@ChristianPatriarchy I have no idea what you are talking about. Honestly.
@@ChristianPatriarchy Honestly how do you wake up in the morning valueing yourself? I mean do you not find having to defend soldiers murdering civilians on a youtube comment section perhaps a low point in your life? Of all the things you could do this is it? What have you achieved?
A puplic apology is required
By the U. K. Priminister...
and a visit from auld Betty.
The Victims can't prosecute anyone. Family members can't have soldiers prosecuted. And soldier's can't have the MOD prosecuted.
An awful system.
the uk Gov confirmed new law today to give an amnesty to any soldier who murders civilians.
And families can’t prosecute IRA who murdered innocent civilians
@@ProfileP246 British fair play rules the day. Don't forget your mates in the UDA.
The tragedy of this is that two men, who would be instrumental in the IRA. Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness witnessed two massacre's within six months of each other. Initiated by the leader of the parachute regiment. The now leader of the British armed forces Peter Jackson. Up until that point, the IRA had very little support. The question that begs to be asked, is would the conflict take a different rout if the British hadn't taken such strong armed approach?.
While it has to be acknowledged, history is never that simple and to reduce chain of events to one point in history. Often overshadows the motives and behaviors of other marginalized forces that were beginning to gain a foothold in Northern Ireland. However, one has to ask the question, what was the role of the British security forces in the North Ireland at that time. We know that along, with British Security Forces the RUC and UDA ran a clandestine unit called Glenanne Gang that were responsible for Dublin and Monaghan bombings, the Miami show band killing and Hill crest bar bombing. The worst of these members was Robin Jackson a security operative that has been know to have been involved in at least 20 murders of civilians. Jackson is the key to unlock this relationship, between MI5, RUC and loyalist paramilitaries, because Jackson was also a member Special Patrol Group..
It's here that we begin to uncover, the true extent of British collision who ran operatives in shoot to kill policy that would latter take Pat Finucane life, the Mobile Reaction Group and the Forced Research Group would target Trade Unionist, Human rights lawyers and Journalist. The reason why this is significant is because the leadership of these groups, such as Sir Gordon Wier the head of the forced research Unit would play a massive role in clandestine operation in Iraq. It is my suspicion that Pat Finucane case will not be heard, is precisely to protect Sir Gordon Wier. The true extent of his influence in Iraq will not be known for at least another 50 years, long before he is dead. But if anything is to go by, his finger prints on the Northern Ireland conflict will follow same trajectory in Iraq
Who shot them, and are the criminals in prison?
The British army and the government should jail them and remove there pensions
British security personnel were directly involved in the killing of 187 innocent men, women and children during the conflict in Northern Ireland and indirectly involved in 100's more. None of the soldiers involved will be prosecuted or convicted. They have been protected by the UK Government for decades and this will not change. Shameful.
@@arthurgoodness7865
Yet Republican terrorists are responsible for killing more of their own people than the RUC and British army combined !
@@Drifty40 and the relevance of that is.....? So if a Catholic was murdered by the IRA it was a crime but it was not a crime if a Catholic was murdered by the UVF or a British soldier?
This argument about the IRA killing more of their own is used as an excuse for killings committed by the RUC and British soldiers. It would only be relevant if you were classing the RUC and British soldiers involved in the murder of innocent people as paramilitaries /terrorists, then that would be comparing like with like.
The British army shot them, and no, no one has been charged for the crimes, and no one is likely to be, as the British government has recently put legislation in place to prevent prosecution from crimes before the GFA.
The criminal actions committed by the Military Reaction Force (MRF) and the organisers responsible, people like, Frank kitson, should be at least considered for investigation.
What they did was illegal.
Still crazy how Britain doesn't want to punish British soldiers before 1999 for acts like this
If they allowed these convictions to proceed then it would bring down the house of cards and would shed a light on the true extent of British State involvement during the conflict.
The UK Government continue to refuse to release documents on a number of atrocities on the grounds of "National Security", even though some of these occurred in the 1970's. Some of these documents are sealed until 2054 and I would guess even at that stage they will be heavily redacted.
@terry phidaheights yes they do if caught just like how the British soldiers should be when caught.
@Yourda 473i of course the Irish Government strongly denies assisting the IRA because it did not happen. The evidence simply would not back up your claim. That does not mean that some Irish politicians were not sympathetic to the cause and supported the armed conflict. A couple of Ministers even tried to send money to the republican movement in the early 70's so that they could purchase weapons to defend their communities from loyalist attacks. And members of the Gardai, especially in the border counties, did support the IRA and gave them information and warned them about impending arrests.
But it would be ridiculous to put Ireland's level of involvement on a par with that of the UK Government. The Special Branch, MI5, British Army, these were all running and controlling agents/informants in the republican and loyalist paramilitaries. Many of these informants have since been implicated in a number of murders and atrocities - Kingsmill, Enniskillen, Loughlinisland, Miami Showband.
@terry phidaheights throughout the conflict prisons in Northern Ireland, England and Ireland were full of republican prisoners so I don't see how your point is relevant.
But why did you just mention the IRA and omit the loyalists who actually murdered the most innocent men, women and children during the troubles?
There have also been republican paramilitaries prosecuted and convicted for historic crimes and there is a significant case at the moment which is set to resume shortly. Although it is looking more likely that he will walk away from this prosecution if the UK Government proceed with their "amnesty" for crimes committed prior to the signing of the GFA in 1998. So by bringing in this amnesty the UK Government are protecting everyone from prosecutions for historic crimes - republicans, loyalists and british security personnel.
@terry phidaheights not sure what current paramilitary activities have to do with historic crimes committed by the paramilitaries and British security personnel. Dissident republicans are still about and the UDA are kept busy protecting their drugs business. I don't think that I implied anywhere that the paramilitaries have gone away.
The queen has blood on her hands, she is head of the british army
A bit like the IRA and all the woman and children they murderd and blown to buts in shopping centre and train station bombs then
@@leebowden738 the IRA only came about and had to come about because of what the British armed forces had done in Ireland now I'm against bombing shooting civilians but both sides have that on there hands
@@leebowden738 if the brits hadn't colluded with loyalists and slaughter so many innocent Catholics then these shopping centers would never have happen. you wanted a war and you got one.
@Yourda 473i "Irish invited the brits" nonsense, what planet are you from?
@Yourda 473i THERE YA ARE AGAIN! Commenting on another Irish video, every video you go on seems to be related to the Irish! You hate the fact that you ain't one of us that you need to be a troll or sumthin kid? Little boring hun, you seem to have nothing better to do.
Channel for should be ashamed of this reporter. He is supposed to remain impartial and all he did was patronise the two men, their families and their campaigns.
Still no justice.
I don't get why the PM can't come out and apologize! It would make a big difference. Sick of all this hatred and bullying in the world. Imagine that was your family!! Britain and Ireland are so intertwined it shouldn't be like this.
BRITISH STATE CRIME!
@Yourda 473i
Get out of Ireland if you don't like the Irish.
@Yourda 473i
The six occupied counties are on the island of Ireland, very soon the island will be reunited again.
@Yourda 473i
Next year's elections will be won by Sinn Fein, the nationalists will win in votes and seats, the clause of the Good Friday Agreement for the referendum and future reunification will soon be activated, you will see and you can only cry.
@Yourda 473i
Scotland will also be leaving soon, nobody wants to be with England.
@Yourda 473i
Sinn Fein was the most voted party in the Republic last year, you say nonsense. In the next elections Stormont will also win and there will be a nationalist prime minister, the occupation will end very soon. Ireland's gross domestic product is $ 448 billion, you keep saying nonsense.
" in memory of the 10"❤️
@@saxglend9439 This peasant again...
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Johnny Mercer wants to afford killers such as these immunity from prosecution.
Justice at last
Where's the justice in this.
Kitson still has his honours.
Respect to Ireland.
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@dxniel 🇬🇧🇮🇱🇺🇸😁🤭
50 years!!??
That journo waisted as much time asking questions to soften the image of the British state.
'Let bygones be bygones' Channel 4 get a fucking grip,
Shameful episode.
That’s what happens in occupied countries leave their country then they can sort their problems out, as a British person I would not like Ireland to rule us so I can see their point of view and what they done to those people shocked decent people in Mainland Britain and the rest of the world
mate you sound so thick i dont think you'd even notice if north korea was ruling you
We just don’t understand why you can’t live together in peace, as we do in Mainland Britain , we have moved on ,we have all sorts of people from all over the world living side by side , sorry if I upset you but it is how we feel over here
Very true my dear it does not seem to trouble thembut they should be dealt with in as soon as possible it's getting a bit late they need jail time before they die
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@@pocketfella5176 do you not listen to the news its a war zone on the streets in Britain, the youths are stabbing each other daily the country is divided by brixit the place is a shithole
I'm sorry everyone but "Bastards" God bless the murdered and their families📿☘
Adams was rumoured to be commander of the Ballymurphy Battalion at the time but his strategy was to alienate the people from the Brits not to go on the offensive, that would come later. His strategy obviously worked helped in no small part by the Paras.
murdering para scum... cowards
Disgraceful them soldiers should pay for what they done!!
Surely the victims shouldn't be investigated? Oh yeah, it happened to Black families loads aswell.
John3.16-21
"Let me who lives without a bin, throw trash on the floor"
Is it not time for an inquiry and justice for the 30 victims of the IRA Castlederg massacre???
Let's see just how quick the cowardly IRA will hand over information.
U are all dishonest
Why are you directing your comments on people that have no links to the IRA? Keep fighting for justice for those people just like the families of the ballymurphy massacre and hopefully you receive justice one day.
Not all "catholics" are IRA sympathisers and the families and friends of those killed in ballymurphy have no links to the IRA nor did anyone who was murdered that day that is the exact point of the whole inquiry, it was to clear the victims and families who were labeled as IRA members when infact they were innocent civilians, so I don't see how anyone involved in the ballymurphy massacre should be held accountable for the deaths of other innocent people from unionist backrounds??
I think you should take up the matter of an inquiry for justice for unionist civilians with local MLAs and the PSNI as looking for answers from people with no links to the IRA isn't going to lead to results.
Stop making this about prods lol.
Free Tibet, Free Hong Kong , Free Inner Mongolia, Free Xinjiang, Free Macao, free Myanmar and protect Taiwan
@mike smith would be a better outcome than living under the Chinese communist party
Go away. This is about Ireland. TRY to stay on piest dear!!!
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2:32 thats my granny
Murderers
Conspiracy ??
Warrenpoint jutified
Guerrilla warfare eh.
Face. Bovvered.
No idea 🤷🏽♀️ what this is about
Religious hatred and a long complex story which is not easily explained.
Same problem in loads of places. A lot of oversimplification below, FYI. British empire governed their empire via divide & rule. They encouraged divisions via race or religion or anything. If the natives fought amongst themselves, they wouldn’t rise up against their oppressors. Same in India and Syria/Lebanon, South Africa, etc. Then when they left, they partitioned countries via those lines. Catholics in NofI fought for equal rights since partition with little success. Catholics couldn’t get good jobs or property, etc. The ruling Protestant community ran an apartheid land to preserve their power. In the 1960s, encouraged by MLK Jr, Catholics started peaceful protests for equal rights. British govt responded with troops & bullets. Where US passed laws for civil rights & integration & sent military to ensure African Americans were protected, British govt sent in troops to maintain the status quo. So some Republicans/Catholics turned to violent means to achieve their goals, because peaceful ones weren’t working. The IRA had a counter-force in the Protestant community (UDA/UVF). The protestant paramilitary community was actually older, set up in 1913 by the Belfast Agreement. Protestant communities raised armies bc they were afraid that Ireland would get independence & were willing to fight to stay in the U.K. It was this force that spurred the Republican/Catholic communities to create the IRA. The British govt couldn’t handle fighting a guerrilla war on their own land & acted very inappropriately with their military. The families of those indiscriminately shot by the military have spent the last 50+years seeking justice. BTW the apartheid situation only ended in 1999 with the good Friday agreement. The analogy to S Africa by the journalist is appalling. The indigenous Catholic community did not become the powerful community that the indigenous black community did in S Africa. Plus the issues in S Africa were internal between the 2 communities living there, not a third community (the British army) raining bullets. HTH.
The leaders of the free world
Should have left the job to MI5 (Special Branch back in the day) to carry out the arrests
Should have gone home to England.
@Yourda 473i They were being burnt out of their homes. Its hard to grasp it given Irelands lived experience but they were not Marxists and didn't have an analysis of the role of the armed forces as part of an Imperialist State. Do you think they should have asked the Irish Army to go in? I somehow don't think that would have bern straightforward.
U should be condeming voilance on all sides u call yoursel human
When you take away a dead IRA mans gun then he becomes an 'innocent civilian', and very useful for propaganda purposes. It also helps when the coroner and the head of PPS are Republican sympathisers.
I don't think you would recognise the truth, scary or otherwise, if it came up and kicked you up the ar.se
When things don't go some people's way they always resort back to the tried and tested "republican propaganda" and "republican sympathisers". It must get boring been wrong all of the time.
this statement gets to the cruxts of the matter
The corners report say they were innocent just what are u getting at blantent fucking liar u are
@@bonehill100 ??????
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Fill your boots if you are that big a mug,
So an amnesty for IRA scum but not for us.