Absolutely remarkable. Without doubt, Stephen Kotkin is one the great historians of our, perhaps all, times because of his devotion to archival sources, his resistance to second hand information, and therefore his determination to analyze history from all sides and come forward to wherever the truth, as he knows it at that moment, may lead. Thank you for making this talk, and many others, available on You Tube.
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He wears his considerable knowledge lightly and is a riveting speaker.
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@Min Tin So you were pals with Uncle Joe and experienced him directly or you lived 50 years in the USSR!
Yeap, certainly Mr Kotkin is a sophisticated advocate of Imperialism, but only in his manners. Yet his basic assertion that Stalin equals Communism, or Communism is Stalin, is not new at all, is the most banal one, it is almost a pity for his monumental effort. Up to a point Mr Kotkin is right, but only up to a point. Certainly Stalin was a Bolshevik and as such his violent modus operandi falls within this parameter. Indeed Stalin answered to the needs of the Soviet Revolution, but it is a mistake to assume that Stalin's bloody behavior was the only possible one in front of the Revolution problems. This mistake is called "fatalism", a sort of unilateral historical determinism by which history must follow only one specific path.
A.J.P. Taylor (the great British historian) wrote that "the best history is when the reader turns the pages wanting to know what happens next". Stephen Kotkin easily meets that criteria. (UK)
Its not just a monumental work, but certainly a candidate for the best biography ever written and we are only now at volume 2. He brilliantly contextualises Stalin, acknowledging his achievements and his frightening brutality. Waiting for volume 3 is like waiting for the next season of Game of Thrones. It's utterly enthralling.
Prof. Kotkin is not only a great author. He's the best expert on Stalin. besides that, as seen here, he's a versatile guy with humour. We are very lucky to have him. He's world class. He is a giant amongst men.
Kotkin is amazing! I’m not in his league but as a person takes a subject and just studies the heck out of it, such as he has done, so many insights become available. Kotkin does it over and over; the true fruits of scholarship. I’ve watched this several times and have started reading his first volume on Stalin. It’s a lot of fun!
The greatest historian and one of the most important scientists of our time. No less, Maybe more. Kotkin is a Voice of critical reason THAT remins U.S. ALL THAT ALL american arent hating Russia.
movement2contact the "joke" was. Kotkin sounds exactly like joe pesci whose most famous for the "you find me funny"? rotine he does in the film "goodfellows". But i guess if you have to explain it. It loses its effect
@@crazymulgogi That he became the man he was out of his own decisions and that he performed his deeds because of the convictions he chose, and not because of his upbringing etc.
I think of Breaking Bad in connection with Stalin. Was Walter White always fated to become a mendacious, power mad killer? There are hints throughout the show that he had a difficult childhood, that he holds deep resentments against certain people from his early life, but in the end that was not the explanation. It was the business of creating and sustaining a meth empire that made it necessary to rule with an iron fist, to manipulate people, to be ruthless, to eliminate any obstacles in the way. So it is, at Kotkin says, with Stalin. It wasn’t the beatings he received from his father or any other singular episode that set him on the path to becoming a murderous tyrant. It was the circumstances involved in running a regime, a dictatorship, a communist revolution in Russia of the early twentieth century, that brought it out of him.
Idealism and opportunism are handmaidens when it comes to putting someone on a path. The way the world is will change how you see the world and vica versa. Also; the First World War was Walter getting cancer, the Civil War is Walt meeting and fighting Tuco, the accumulation of power as General Secretary was Walt working with Gus, the exile of Trotsky is the death of Gus, the killing of Mike and his men in the prison was collectivization/ great terror. Hell, they both even fight Nazis at the end. It's comforting to find another Breaking Bad/ Soviet history fan in the wild, a niche crossover to be sure.
That's a specious comparison. The show makes it pretty clear that Walter's drive comes quite clearly from his feeling that he was a brilliant man destined for great things and the world took it from him.
wow SK is so very good a genius at writing and presenting. At first I thought his voice was hard to listen to but soon i could not stop listening to him. a truly amazing historian that should be in Bidnes cabinet or at least on Biden's speed dial
Stalin, for all his ends justifying the means, in his drive for eventual communism, and his clear sociopathy, had to have felt his sins crawling on his back. If not the sins on his back, the feeling that no one really trusted him. He held life and death power in his hands, and showed that he didn't care if that power slipped and others paid the price. Everyone had to know the cost collectivization took. No one was left unscathed. 60 - 80% of the Soviet Union starved to death or near death. Kotkin in part 2 argues that the terror was used to break his inner circle, reduce them to minions. It drove one to suicide at least. Was it that Stalin saw the breaking power of the famine, an unintended side effect of collectivization, and seek to purposefully put the boot down? Stomp on a neck long enough, you're thanked for eventually letting them breathe. I think the Terror was a deliberate act to enslave Eurasia once and for all, a lesson Stalin learned from his experiments with his power. In the book as well, Stalin, as recorded by his daughter's nanny, spoke at least twice on the 'need of a Tsar' in Russia. Stalin, in the state atheist Soviet Union, could not rule by the divine right of kings, but could forge his own divinity through lead and leather. Who can argue with the man who can, and probably will, have your whole village deported to concentration camps in Siberia for being Kulak henchmen? And do it by the stroke of not a pen, but a simple colored pencil.
I heard a scholar say once, with regards to Saddam Hussein, "Is Iraq the way it is because of Saddam, or is Saddam the way he is because of Iraq?" I think one could ask the same thing about Russia and Stalin.
Kotkin is brilliant in simplifying the complex phenomenon of WW2, cold war, totalitarian USSR, and a gold standard portrait and power of dictator Joseph Stalin.
Thank you for posting this presentation. I have just discovered Dr Kotkin, thanks to the Hoover Institution channel, but was looking for a talk on the early part of Stalin's life. I really enjoyed how much time was set aside for questions, and especially how Dr Kotkin addressed the young audience member who believes that Stalin's aims and projects were merely about "social control", but don't represent "real communism". Amazing how long the dream of the perfect society persists, even in those far too young to remember the terrifying realities of the USSR.
Here on TH-cam I've watched Stephen Kotkin give about ten different versions of these presentations about his books and they're always great. 36:45 This guy has been in attendance for almost all of them and he always asks questions. Surely Kotkin must recognize him each time, I wonder why he doesn't address it? Does anyone know who he is?
There are books based on documents (UCLA), even though Kotkin is shamessly manipulating and the facts and their causes and consequences. He shamelesslessy intoxicates.
@@maximusstirnimus5210 YOU are intoxicated & lack a minimum of critical spirit & readings. Contrary to Kotkin the impostor, I have informed myself. Conclusions : 1. Khrouschev is the author of "Stalin's" crimes în Ukraine. Read Khrouschev's Memories, where is very proud of his ""exploits" : put of 38 members of the Central Comittee in Ukraina at Khrouschev's arrival there, 37 were dead aflter a year. As to the "goulags": read about innumerable wars between Poland (or the Republic of the 2 Nations, Poland + today's Lituania) & rhe rest of the Eastern Europe & Russia. Horrible relationships between Poland -USSR between WW1- WW2. Hardly restaured in 1919, Poland was at war with Russia. The Siberian gulags being full of Prometheist indoctrinated Polish officers. I SO INCITE YOU READING ABOUT PROMETHEISM before starting blaming Russia or Stalin. Leaving alone the fact that the goulags were VILLAGES. Populated for centuries by the local tribes & nations. Pretending that living in a POPULATED VILLAGE among THE LOCAL PEOPLE was a "purge" = one of the worst intoxications in the world history. Author(s): Robert Conquest (who did not speak Russian, did not read any document, admitted being told fairy tales by immigrants and lately recognized his exagerations) or Anna Appelbaum, Sikorski's wife. If you do not know who Sikorski is, I urge you read about PROMETHEISM, which is as horrible as nazism.
Kotkin INVENTS. Documents DO NOT exist, for him. Only Conquest, an excellent US propagandist, does. Kotkin being nothing else but a CIA agent. If you want real historians referring to real documents, read the UCLA sovietologists (the only ones who read Russian & have studied Russian & Soviet archives), not infamous Conquest or Kotkin.
It's very hard with the anti free speech McCarthyism, meanwhile Americans remember JFK fondly even thought he nearly killed us all for political advantage and we are ONLY ALIVE TODAY because of the Soviets!
27:47 "What they do say, however, is 'We can't do it. We can't win. We can't succeed. We'll ruin everything. We'll destroy everything...'" "so Stalin does it anyway..."
He never misses a stroke. Unlike most, he has done the hard work and it shows. Read his two volumes on Stalin and you will understand from the beginning it is serious and no funny business.
I wonder what or who caused Stalin to turn away from serving God in his youth to becoming a revolutionary for 20 years before 1917. Stalin is a fascinating villain. Kotkin's best work.
Look at the world around him. You have the church being a pillar of the regime that keeps down his nationality and rights as a human being. The seminary where Stalin sang and studied, also forbade him from speaking Georgian, in Georgia. He finds Darwin, who offers a different explanation for how the world came to be; and Marx, who offered to the poor toiling masses a different way in world the world could be. Stalin the young idealist would surely grasp these ideas more tightly than the totem that implored him to simply maintain tradition and abide his caste and station. Someone Stalin got it into his head that if he threw enough bodies at Russia social justice would spring forth. A disgusting extension of the ends justifying the means. Marxism offered a way out. While it turned out to be more an opiate of the masses than what Marx tried to call out with such a phrase, communism is a pipe dream a lot of disenfranchised people still throw the Bible out for, and for less noble reasons.
Totally, same with Montefiore and Brent. They all agree these Soviet monsters were not madmen but total loyalists to the cause to monopoly of the Soviet state.
So great to hear a smart guy dismantle the 'he had a difficult childhood' line. It's usually lazy thinking even to explain normal people. To explain exceptional people, it's just embarrassing.
@@kreek22 this is the problem with anti-communist 'historians'. They have no sense of historical objectivity, just a keen desire to condemn. It's fairly obvious why this aspect of history attracts liars and extremists, and also why people like Kotkin do so much to please them.
Convincing arguments. However, Stalin defeated his fellow bolsheviks by using the forced collectivization not merely as a necessary policy achievement, but as a means to separate himself from them by ignoring rational behaviour and ethics to the extreme, exposing them as quasi counterrevolutionaries and social reformists. This was his tactics in every aspect of policy, to make a distinction between himself and his politbureau colleagues, the next step being to accuse them of betrayal and treason, eventually leading to the purges and show trials in the Thirties.
My grandad fought in the Spanish civil war and apparently the Russian equipment was faulty AF. Most of the guns didn’t fire, so if that’s “top” Russian technology then what does their average stuff looks like.
Stalin was only Stalin because civilians did without asking questions. Same for Hitler. Neither would have been either without the participation of the people.
Thank you very much for your dedications to history of the world and the political processes or styles of influence and rules. Your talks have taught me so much. I like to hear your opinion on “ can American resist the lure of totalitarian style governing now that it has the technical capacity to rule it’s people, namely AI and mass surveillance apparatus
Even if we're being surveilled, what would the folks doing the suveilling do with what they see? Does our Anglo-English legal system, and traditions have any effect? You and I are willingly engaging in the surveillance apparatus (TH-cam, Facebook, etc.?). The Russian tradition and the American tradition are very different. Does this matter?
Some consider trying to explain an evil person as being an apologist for him. Kotkin, however, calls collectivization the great crime with millions of deaths. Also, this is the first volume. From what I've heard Kotkin say, he does not credit Stalin with any ideological purpose in the terror of the 1930s, which is in the next book.
@@synon9m , Kotkin does not discuss Stalin's massive purges of the 30s here. It is, in fact, Kotkin's position that these purges are very difficult to understand, even within Stalin's ideological framework. An interview he did at the Hoover Institution at Stanford, which can be found on youtube, goes into this at length, although I have not read Volume 2 myself yet. Perhaps this could be seen as a weak point in Kotkin's view that Stalin, far from being free of ideology-free in practice, was largely driven by his idealistic Marxist ideology. In any event, it at least seems like Kotkin is honest, not trying to force his predetermined positions onto the evidence.
I went right into the second volume in early Dec. 2019. Will hit that first volume. But this second volume is fascinating. I was a bit disappointed in the collectivization in that the author didn't really portray the horror from the peasant view, but my goodness, when he gets into the Great Terror, the book is mesmerizing. Stalin would invite the next high official to be arrested and executed, often handing him a high medal, a new dacha and share a fantastic meal, together with the officials who had followed Stalin's orders to build a case against him. Just getting into the third part of the Hitler-Stalin duet. The detail is intense but wonderful. Get these books if Russian history or the evil of Stalin fascinate you.
Remarkable intellect and enjoyable. I wonder though what made Stalin continue to 'poke the German eagle' in the eye in November 1940 i.e. Molotov's outrageous demands given to von Ribbentrop and Hitler in Berlin? Yes Stalin held all the assets Hitler needed to continue to wage war and all knew the 'pact' would eventually lead to war 'but' those demands and the follow-on equally blunt demand for a German response less than a week later was the tipping point to move Hitler to move to attack in 1941. Stalin had to know this was dangerous on his part that or he was, as Suvorov contends, planning his own pre-emptive strike himself. It seems the latter was the reality
P&P is a left cultural institution in DC. so are its audiences. I doubt they would invite independent thinkers like Dr. Kotkin nowadays. Five years ago they were more tolerant.
I always love when amateurs in the audience believe they know more than the historian. I'm not saying historians infallible. But it's absurd to be so close minded
Around 40:50, I believe Mr. Kotkin may have failed to consider one thing. The Soviet slogan that translates as the papers must be in order. So there is no way any such thoughts, as they may have had, would ever end up written on paper no matter what classification is attached to the document. That would be a death sentence for anyone, perhaps other than Stalin. Another aspect, I doubt the Soviet archives are open in their entirety. For one thing, there always are some political considerations even today and for another thing the presumed state of the archives i.e. I am not sure they know everything there is in the archives. And those documents that have been released, especially to a foreigner, could be hand picked.
@Ricky Moore It caught my attention because I was born in the Soviet Union and went to school there until the whole union collapsed. The idea that someone could obtain a document from a Soviet archive which states that a top Soviet leader did not actually believe in all that crap is totally absurd. And to claim, based on the lack of such documents, that they must have believed in all that is merely a logical deduction, which isnt necessarily true. We have heard stories of career communists praying to God on their deathbeds, which they never could afford to and perhaps never even thought of doing when they were living. The true nature of someone who was living in the system, more so of someone who wanted to make a career in the system, is hardly something one could find in archives. I believe the Soviet archives reflect the true nature of the system and the people in it. They are full of lies and in disarray.
@Ricky Moore Their crazy economic policies made a lot of sense to them as it was part of the game. We can see the madness now. Then noone was allowed to see madness there. Noone was allowed to voice any doubts about the communist cause. That could earn a person exile, prison or madhouse in later years. In this context there will be no documents reflecting what top leaders actually thought. One had to pay one's dues.
@@RenuarsAll of the original Bolsheviks were certainly true believers. Who joins a radical dissident group, thereby earning the wrath of the ruling regime, unless they believe. When Stalin joined the Bolsheviks, his most likely life outcome was prison or death. History didn't work out that way, but who would have bet on it at that time?
Stalin was both right and wrong. He was wrong so far as the reduction of agricultural output and the destabilizing of the country. Yet paradoxically, without his forced industrialization modern Russia would not have been born.
Kotkin is my new addiction. Love listening to him lecture.
Same, friend. Same. Volume 3 out in two weeks!!
....and probably a bunch of new lectures!
@@inappropriatern8060 where is it?
Me too
WHEN/WHERE IS IT COMING OUT!
Absolutely remarkable. Without doubt, Stephen Kotkin is one the great historians of our, perhaps all, times because of his devotion to archival sources, his resistance to second hand information, and therefore his determination to analyze history from all sides and come forward to wherever the truth, as he knows it at that moment, may lead.
Thank you for making this talk, and many others, available on You Tube.
He wears his considerable knowledge lightly and is a riveting speaker.
@Min Tin So you were pals with Uncle Joe and experienced him directly or you lived 50 years in the USSR!
So well said. Kotkin's erudition is matched only by his light touch and charming clarity. And humor. And humility. ❤
he's got a good sense of humor, refreshing to see in this type of lecture
He's a lot more funny and charming than I would have expected. I really really like the way he speaks
Yes yes yes ❤ love from Sweden
Pity he’s done good work debunking certain anti Stalin myths then goes ahead and lies to an audience with the Stalin walking lie!
Bookstore Joe Pesci
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Yeap, certainly Mr Kotkin is a sophisticated advocate of Imperialism, but only in his manners. Yet his basic assertion that Stalin equals Communism, or Communism is Stalin, is not new at all, is the most banal one, it is almost a pity for his monumental effort. Up to a point Mr Kotkin is right, but only up to a point. Certainly Stalin was a Bolshevik and as such his violent modus operandi falls within this parameter. Indeed Stalin answered to the needs of the Soviet Revolution, but it is a mistake to assume that Stalin's bloody behavior was the only possible one in front of the Revolution problems. This mistake is called "fatalism", a sort of unilateral historical determinism by which history must follow only one specific path.
Listening to Stephen Kotkin is a great way to understanding the politics of the world we live in!
True as long as u understand, when the Germans do it is called strategy, when Stalin does it is called building a dictatorship. 🤣
A.J.P. Taylor (the great British historian) wrote that "the best history is when the reader turns the pages wanting to know what happens next". Stephen Kotkin easily meets that criteria. (UK)
AJP Taylor was a great historian indeed, Kotkin is NOT.
British historian is an oxymoron, better say British forger, British mercenary or British pirate
@@ileanarollason6401why so?
This guy's hilarious.
I don't know how his students listen to his lectures without cracking up.
Its not just a monumental work, but certainly a candidate for the best biography ever written and we are only now at volume 2. He brilliantly contextualises Stalin, acknowledging his achievements and his frightening brutality. Waiting for volume 3 is like waiting for the next season of Game of Thrones. It's utterly enthralling.
Apparently, historians who have checked his sources find it to be a rather poor work
@@fizywig "historians" please cite
@Larson Oppenheimer lmao, Grover "In forty years of research I haven't found evidence of a single crime committed by Stalin" Furr
@Daniel Grover Furr.
@@didymussumydid9726 Do you care to actually refute the evidence Furr produces, or are you just bullshitting?
This is such a great lecture series, I've watched it several times. As many have said, I love Kotkin's humor and insights.
Very good stuff. A lot of background & context on important history.
This video introduced me to Kotkin. Thank you P&P!
Don't let yourself captured by Kotkin's toxic propaganda.
I have just discovered Professor Kotkin, wonderful! My new favorite.
Kotkin knows his stuff. He also does the best Joe Pesci impression this side of Jim Bruer.
Lol😂
Omg ur right
"Mao basically spits in Khrushchev's face". Professor Kotkin
Imagine, getting into a NYC taxi-cab and have the driver start talking like this?
The only response: Take me to L.A.
Prof. Kotkin is not only a great author. He's the best expert on Stalin. besides that, as seen here, he's a versatile guy with humour. We are very lucky to have him. He's world class. He is a giant amongst men.
This is a great historian. (UK)
Amen Sir. His books are incredible too. They are just as captivating as his lectures.
Hmm he claims Stalin isn’t on camera walking amongst other lies he spews
Kotkin is amazing! I’m not in his league but as a person takes a subject and just studies the heck out of it, such as he has done, so many insights become available. Kotkin does it over and over; the true fruits of scholarship. I’ve watched this several times and have started reading his first volume on Stalin. It’s a lot of fun!
The greatest historian and one of the most important scientists of our time. No less, Maybe more. Kotkin is a Voice of critical reason THAT remins U.S. ALL THAT ALL american arent hating Russia.
Definitely adding these books to my wish list.
would have liked to have been in his classes when he was teaching
I'm laughing at all his jokes and the audience looks like they are there and against their will and they find him insufferable.
Chris Martin
What? ..You find him funny? What the *FCK* !! do you find so fckn funny about him?? ... what? tell me ? does he amoose you?
@@rainblaze. your grammar sure amuses me...
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so you didn't get the refrence?.... Fairnuff
@@rainblaze. No. tell me ?
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the "joke" was. Kotkin sounds exactly like joe pesci whose most famous for the "you find me funny"? rotine he does in the film "goodfellows". But i guess if you have to explain it. It loses its effect
He keeps telling the audience what it doesn't really want to hear about Stalin. It's amazing.
And what is it that they don't want to hear?
@@crazymulgogi That he became the man he was out of his own decisions and that he performed his deeds because of the convictions he chose, and not because of his upbringing etc.
His second volume is now available.
Great reflective and eloquent intellect.
Can’t wait for the third!
44:10 and now, a question from Microsoft Sam
He's married to Siri and has a daughter, Alexa.
😹😹😹😹 I lmaoo 🤣
I think of Breaking Bad in connection with Stalin. Was Walter White always fated to become a mendacious, power mad killer? There are hints throughout the show that he had a difficult childhood, that he holds deep resentments against certain people from his early life, but in the end that was not the explanation. It was the business of creating and sustaining a meth empire that made it necessary to rule with an iron fist, to manipulate people, to be ruthless, to eliminate any obstacles in the way. So it is, at Kotkin says, with Stalin. It wasn’t the beatings he received from his father or any other singular episode that set him on the path to becoming a murderous tyrant. It was the circumstances involved in running a regime, a dictatorship, a communist revolution in Russia of the early twentieth century, that brought it out of him.
Idealism and opportunism are handmaidens when it comes to putting someone on a path. The way the world is will change how you see the world and vica versa.
Also; the First World War was Walter getting cancer, the Civil War is Walt meeting and fighting Tuco, the accumulation of power as General Secretary was Walt working with Gus, the exile of Trotsky is the death of Gus, the killing of Mike and his men in the prison was collectivization/ great terror. Hell, they both even fight Nazis at the end.
It's comforting to find another Breaking Bad/ Soviet history fan in the wild, a niche crossover to be sure.
@@sillygoose9791 And Stephen Kotkin is Vince Gilligan.
That's a specious comparison. The show makes it pretty clear that Walter's drive comes quite clearly from his feeling that he was a brilliant man destined for great things and the world took it from him.
wow SK is so very good a genius at writing and presenting. At first I thought his voice was hard to listen to but soon i could not stop listening to him. a truly amazing historian that should be in Bidnes cabinet or at least on Biden's speed dial
Stalin, for all his ends justifying the means, in his drive for eventual communism, and his clear sociopathy, had to have felt his sins crawling on his back. If not the sins on his back, the feeling that no one really trusted him. He held life and death power in his hands, and showed that he didn't care if that power slipped and others paid the price. Everyone had to know the cost collectivization took. No one was left unscathed. 60 - 80% of the Soviet Union starved to death or near death.
Kotkin in part 2 argues that the terror was used to break his inner circle, reduce them to minions. It drove one to suicide at least. Was it that Stalin saw the breaking power of the famine, an unintended side effect of collectivization, and seek to purposefully put the boot down? Stomp on a neck long enough, you're thanked for eventually letting them breathe. I think the Terror was a deliberate act to enslave Eurasia once and for all, a lesson Stalin learned from his experiments with his power. In the book as well, Stalin, as recorded by his daughter's nanny, spoke at least twice on the 'need of a Tsar' in Russia. Stalin, in the state atheist Soviet Union, could not rule by the divine right of kings, but could forge his own divinity through lead and leather. Who can argue with the man who can, and probably will, have your whole village deported to concentration camps in Siberia for being Kulak henchmen? And do it by the stroke of not a pen, but a simple colored pencil.
I heard a scholar say once, with regards to Saddam Hussein, "Is Iraq the way it is because of Saddam, or is Saddam the way he is because of Iraq?"
I think one could ask the same thing about Russia and Stalin.
Sounds like an apologist.
Kotkin is brilliant in simplifying the complex phenomenon of WW2, cold war, totalitarian USSR, and a gold standard portrait and power of dictator Joseph Stalin.
Thank you for posting this presentation. I have just discovered Dr Kotkin, thanks to the Hoover Institution channel, but was looking for a talk on the early part of Stalin's life. I really enjoyed how much time was set aside for questions, and especially how Dr Kotkin addressed the young audience member who believes that Stalin's aims and projects were merely about "social control", but don't represent "real communism". Amazing how long the dream of the perfect society persists, even in those far too young to remember the terrifying realities of the USSR.
Same. Hoover Institute also introduced Kotkin to me.
It is the terrifying realities of our current society that gives hope to each new generation that something better can be built.
Wow!! Impressive! I've got to read this guy''s book
fascinating presentation
Here on TH-cam I've watched Stephen Kotkin give about ten different versions of these presentations about his books and they're always great.
36:45
This guy has been in attendance for almost all of them and he always asks questions.
Surely Kotkin must recognize him each time, I wonder why he doesn't address it? Does anyone know who he is?
Finally a professor that *KNOWS* the truth about communism .
So important to have a book based on actual documents.
There are books based on documents (UCLA), even though Kotkin is shamessly manipulating and the facts and their causes and consequences. He shamelesslessy intoxicates.
@@ileanarollason6401
Intoxicates?
@@maximusstirnimus5210 YOU are intoxicated & lack a minimum of critical spirit & readings. Contrary to Kotkin the impostor, I have informed myself. Conclusions : 1. Khrouschev is the author of "Stalin's" crimes în Ukraine. Read Khrouschev's Memories, where is very proud of his ""exploits" : put of 38 members of the Central Comittee in Ukraina at Khrouschev's arrival there, 37 were dead aflter a year. As to the "goulags": read about innumerable wars between Poland (or the Republic of the 2 Nations, Poland + today's Lituania) & rhe rest of the Eastern Europe & Russia. Horrible relationships between Poland -USSR between WW1- WW2. Hardly restaured in 1919, Poland was at war with Russia. The Siberian gulags being full of Prometheist indoctrinated Polish officers. I SO INCITE YOU READING ABOUT PROMETHEISM before starting blaming Russia or Stalin. Leaving alone the fact that the goulags were VILLAGES. Populated for centuries by the local tribes & nations. Pretending that living in a POPULATED VILLAGE among THE LOCAL PEOPLE was a "purge" = one of the worst intoxications in the world history. Author(s): Robert Conquest (who did not speak Russian, did not read any document, admitted being told fairy tales by immigrants and lately recognized his exagerations) or Anna Appelbaum, Sikorski's wife. If you do not know who Sikorski is, I urge you read about PROMETHEISM, which is as horrible as nazism.
@@ileanarollason6401 seek help. Your "research methods" and "facts" are deeply flawed. Leaving you with absurd conclusions.
Kotkin INVENTS. Documents DO NOT exist, for him. Only Conquest, an excellent US propagandist, does. Kotkin being nothing else but a CIA agent. If you want real historians referring to real documents, read the UCLA sovietologists (the only ones who read Russian & have studied Russian & Soviet archives), not infamous Conquest or Kotkin.
To be great, one has to be obsessed and passionate .
I've got goosebumps from kotkins talk!
I REALLY want a round table at the Hoover Institute, moderated by Peter Robinson of course, with him, Dikotter, VDH, and Naimark!!!!
Kotkin is the Master Source for anything Stalin related!
Joe pesci's younger brother made the right choice leaving the mob to start giving lectures about stalin.
Scott Ritter recently recommended the book, so I did YT search, ended up here. .
Joe pesci suddenly knows about russia
I've said it before... he's an articulate Joe Pesci.
Just don't be late with getting his drinks...
Electric Dreams and don’t laugh at his jokes.
He has lost a lot of weight. Doesn't look like Joe Pesci anymore.
Stephen Kotkin is amazing. Finally nuance applied to Soviet Union.
And yet he still gets a lot wrong and still felt the need to lie
@@JohnKobaRuddy what did he lie about?
It's very hard with the anti free speech McCarthyism, meanwhile Americans remember JFK fondly even thought he nearly killed us all for political advantage and we are ONLY ALIVE TODAY because of the Soviets!
@@fuckfannyfiddlefart The USSR sucked so bad it killed itself in despair.
@@JohnKobaRuddy He exaggerated the problems of the Czarist regime.
27:47 "What they do say, however, is 'We can't do it. We can't win. We can't succeed. We'll ruin everything. We'll destroy everything...'"
"so Stalin does it anyway..."
Cowards hate effort!
@@fuckfannyfiddlefart that's why I call them "Republican'ts"
He never misses a stroke. Unlike most, he has done the hard work and it shows. Read his two volumes on Stalin and you will understand from the beginning it is serious and no funny business.
I just noticed what "wrap your head around" means literally and I'm shocked
I love your bookstore!
Wow, did not expect him to sound like that!
Stalin the son of a cobbler goes on to defeat the Nazis and becomes the winner of WW2!
why is the audience looking like they don't know where they are. this guy is hilarious
I now see Stalin in four dimensions
I wonder what or who caused Stalin to turn away from serving God in his youth to becoming a revolutionary for 20 years before 1917. Stalin is a fascinating villain. Kotkin's best work.
Look at the world around him. You have the church being a pillar of the regime that keeps down his nationality and rights as a human being. The seminary where Stalin sang and studied, also forbade him from speaking Georgian, in Georgia. He finds Darwin, who offers a different explanation for how the world came to be; and Marx, who offered to the poor toiling masses a different way in world the world could be. Stalin the young idealist would surely grasp these ideas more tightly than the totem that implored him to simply maintain tradition and abide his caste and station.
Someone Stalin got it into his head that if he threw enough bodies at Russia social justice would spring forth. A disgusting extension of the ends justifying the means.
Marxism offered a way out. While it turned out to be more an opiate of the masses than what Marx tried to call out with such a phrase, communism is a pipe dream a lot of disenfranchised people still throw the Bible out for, and for less noble reasons.
@@sillygoose9791 Good answer.
Totally, same with Montefiore and Brent. They all agree these Soviet monsters were not madmen but total loyalists to the cause to monopoly of the Soviet state.
Only 177k views?! And I've watched this one 150k times myself. ❤
The book is very readable. I’m enjoying it!
Great lecture. Thank you Professor Kotkin.
Thank You
So great to hear a smart guy dismantle the 'he had a difficult childhood' line.
It's usually lazy thinking even to explain normal people. To explain exceptional people, it's just embarrassing.
Amazing lecture.
When he uses the expression, “… the tragedy of the Left”, you can feel the air go out of the room.
Sad that such lectures do not attract young people
I need to read these books...asap
2:26 Start here.
It wasn't a personal dictatorship. It was, at least in the minds of the communists, a 'dictatorship of the proletariat'. Which come from Marx.
"the minds of the communists"? No such thing.
@@kreek22 this is the problem with anti-communist 'historians'. They have no sense of historical objectivity, just a keen desire to condemn.
It's fairly obvious why this aspect of history attracts liars and extremists, and also why people like Kotkin do so much to please them.
Amazing, Joe Pesci is talking over an hour and not even one swearing.
he's a funny guy.
'Now go home and get your fucking paint brushes!.' Stalin to Hitler in 1943
@@BronzeBullBalls Hitler never had the making of the varsity dictator.
Is he there to fucking amuse you??
@@laza6141 too many drugs.
Tough crowd
The parental abuse part is a great bit
I didn’t know Rupert Pupkin wrote books.
Stalin was based volume 1
Yea, dude rocks
Convincing arguments. However, Stalin defeated his fellow bolsheviks by using the forced collectivization not merely as a necessary policy achievement, but as a means to separate himself from them by ignoring rational behaviour and ethics to the extreme, exposing them as quasi counterrevolutionaries and social reformists. This was his tactics in every aspect of policy, to make a distinction between himself and his politbureau colleagues, the next step being to accuse them of betrayal and treason, eventually leading to the purges and show trials in the Thirties.
My grandad fought in the Spanish civil war and apparently the Russian equipment was faulty AF. Most of the guns didn’t fire, so if that’s “top” Russian technology then what does their average stuff looks like.
Stalin was only Stalin because civilians did without asking questions.
Same for Hitler.
Neither would have been either without the participation of the people.
that was awesome
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Finish volume 3!!!
Joe Pesci is my favorite historian
Good one
Thank you very much for your dedications to history of the world and the political processes or styles of influence and rules. Your talks have taught me so much. I like to hear your opinion on “ can American resist the lure of totalitarian style governing now that it has the technical capacity to rule it’s people, namely AI and mass surveillance apparatus
Even if we're being surveilled, what would the folks doing the suveilling do with what they see? Does our Anglo-English legal system, and traditions have any effect?
You and I are willingly engaging in the surveillance apparatus (TH-cam, Facebook, etc.?).
The Russian tradition and the American tradition are very different. Does this matter?
Some consider trying to explain an evil person as being an apologist for him. Kotkin, however, calls collectivization the great crime with millions of deaths. Also, this is the first volume. From what I've heard Kotkin say, he does not credit Stalin with any ideological purpose in the terror of the 1930s, which is in the next book.
Did you listen to this presentation? Stalin did indeed have an ideological purpose.
@@synon9m , Kotkin does not discuss Stalin's massive purges of the 30s here. It is, in fact, Kotkin's position that these purges are very difficult to understand, even within Stalin's ideological framework. An interview he did at the Hoover Institution at Stanford, which can be found on youtube, goes into this at length, although I have not read Volume 2 myself yet. Perhaps this could be seen as a weak point in Kotkin's view that Stalin, far from being free of ideology-free in practice, was largely driven by his idealistic Marxist ideology. In any event, it at least seems like Kotkin is honest, not trying to force his predetermined positions onto the evidence.
Yum's can't wait!
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The Great Terror really is hard to explain, and I don't believe any historian has explained it satisfactorily.
I went right into the second volume in early Dec. 2019. Will hit that first volume. But this second volume is fascinating. I was a bit disappointed in the collectivization in that the author didn't really portray the horror from the peasant view, but my goodness, when he gets into the Great Terror, the book is mesmerizing. Stalin would invite the next high official to be arrested and executed, often handing him a high medal, a new dacha and share a fantastic meal, together with the officials who had followed Stalin's orders to build a case against him. Just getting into the third part of the Hitler-Stalin duet.
The detail is intense but wonderful. Get these books if Russian history or the evil of Stalin fascinate you.
Or get Grover Furr's refutation of those books if you actually care about the real history.
@@Stewiehleba what is this that you speak of?
@@jeffreysteelman8583 kind of obvious.
Remarkable intellect and enjoyable. I wonder though what made Stalin continue to 'poke the German eagle' in the eye in November 1940 i.e. Molotov's outrageous demands given to von Ribbentrop and Hitler in Berlin? Yes Stalin held all the assets Hitler needed to continue to wage war and all knew the 'pact' would eventually lead to war 'but' those demands and the follow-on equally blunt demand for a German response less than a week later was the tipping point to move Hitler to move to attack in 1941. Stalin had to know this was dangerous on his part that or he was, as Suvorov contends, planning his own pre-emptive strike himself. It seems the latter was the reality
What I like about Kotkin is that he doesn't give off a prick vibe.
10:30 The environment shapes the person.
I absorb every of his words. But half of the audience looks like have been dragged by the other half to this lecture.
P&P is a left cultural institution in DC. so are its audiences. I doubt they would invite independent thinkers like Dr. Kotkin nowadays. Five years ago they were more tolerant.
Joe Pesci has become a professor? Great talk!
Very impressive for Stalin push to collective farm.That’s the same as Peter the Great built the Petersburg
I always love when amateurs in the audience believe they know more than the historian. I'm not saying historians infallible. But it's absurd to be so close minded
I hope this is good
lol !
I have the Rodin book that is over his right shoulder.
Great presentation - thanks.
Around 40:50, I believe Mr. Kotkin may have failed to consider one thing. The Soviet slogan that translates as the papers must be in order. So there is no way any such thoughts, as they may have had, would ever end up written on paper no matter what classification is attached to the document. That would be a death sentence for anyone, perhaps other than Stalin. Another aspect, I doubt the Soviet archives are open in their entirety. For one thing, there always are some political considerations even today and for another thing the presumed state of the archives i.e. I am not sure they know everything there is in the archives. And those documents that have been released, especially to a foreigner, could be hand picked.
@Ricky Moore It caught my attention because I was born in the Soviet Union and went to school there until the whole union collapsed. The idea that someone could obtain a document from a Soviet archive which states that a top Soviet leader did not actually believe in all that crap is totally absurd. And to claim, based on the lack of such documents, that they must have believed in all that is merely a logical deduction, which isnt necessarily true. We have heard stories of career communists praying to God on their deathbeds, which they never could afford to and perhaps never even thought of doing when they were living. The true nature of someone who was living in the system, more so of someone who wanted to make a career in the system, is hardly something one could find in archives. I believe the Soviet archives reflect the true nature of the system and the people in it. They are full of lies and in disarray.
@Ricky Moore Their crazy economic policies made a lot of sense to them as it was part of the game. We can see the madness now. Then noone was allowed to see madness there. Noone was allowed to voice any doubts about the communist cause. That could earn a person exile, prison or madhouse in later years. In this context there will be no documents reflecting what top leaders actually thought. One had to pay one's dues.
@@RenuarsAll of the original Bolsheviks were certainly true believers. Who joins a radical dissident group, thereby earning the wrath of the ruling regime, unless they believe. When Stalin joined the Bolsheviks, his most likely life outcome was prison or death. History didn't work out that way, but who would have bet on it at that time?
He's got a Slavic accent.He is not originally from US
Simply sounds like he's from New York.
"...Are we done?" -- great ending 🤣 Listen, the guy has shit to do, get out of his way.
This was not germany, it EU vs ussr and EU got hammered in the war. EU population is four times the russian population.
at 47:10 that was pretty funny.
If Joe Pesci became an academic 😂
I challenge anybody to watch another clip of him, come back and tell me he’s not fucked up
What are you on about?
Ok. Done. He's not fucked up.
What do I win?
Challenge accepted. He is not fucked up
This is great
Stalin was both right and wrong. He was wrong so far as the reduction of agricultural output and the destabilizing of the country. Yet paradoxically, without his forced industrialization modern Russia would not have been born.
If I had teachers like this at the university I would have been phi beta kappa