Some people like to watch football, I prefer to watch your well-conducted and consistent filament tests! I really appreciate that it's possible to have an unbiased comparison of the different brands thanks to your systematic test protocols. And the fact that you question your results, and perform additional tests with different parameters when you have doubts, is very professional (like with the enclosure in this video). Congratulations on running this channel, thank you, and enjoy your well deserved holidays!
Very interesting test. I just ordered some of the engeneering PLA based on this video. Very expensive though. 82.5 EUR for 750 grams and shipping. (Yes, it is back in stock)
Looking at the test samples at 10:17 and they look underextruded , maybe you should tune the flow per filament before running this test , it will affect your results.
I really want to use the engineering PLA but would like to know more about it. What's in it, does it release hazardous fumes, was there a strong smell? The properties of this material are totally game changing.
Hi, the feedstock is basically PLA, so there aren't any hazardous fumse during printing. Of course it containes some additives which are non-toxic either
Thanks for these extensive tests. This engineering PLA has indeed amazing HDT properties. It makes me reconsider using HTPLA. I print on a regular basis technical parts in HTPLA (annealed in fine salt) for the projects I make for my customers. This engineering HTPLA is about 50% more expensive than the HTPLA from protopasta I use a lot, which is already quite expensive but the saved post-processing time is certainly more valuable than the extra cost. I think that the slow down of the deformation of the advanced PLA is caused by its annealing thus increasing its HDT properties. I noticed the same behavior while comparing annealed HTPLA vs HTPLA vs PLA by ramping up the temperature from 25 to 180°C. To make a proper comparison of their HDT properties I think you must put the samples in an already pre-heated oven to quickly expose the samples to the high temperature. It would take more time because you would need to print more samples and repeat the test at different pre-heated high temperatures.
I didn't know that PLA creep so much. In this case really shame. Deal breaker for me. Why to buy material that has high temperature resistance but creep in normal temperature.
Thanks for the tests! That engineering PLA is really interesting, I've never seen that combination of ease of printing with temperature resistance before.
try polymaker polymide PA6-CF, This material is so hard it's unbelievable, I can print it at 100mm/s with insane details and result. A 1.8mm u shape print (4x 0.45), I cannot break it with my hand. I forgot to add, u don't even need an enclosure and the bed temp is only 35c
@@mophie6941 I'm sure it's great, but it also needs a 280˚C - 300˚C nozzle temperature. What I find so interesting about this PLA is that it gets that thermal stability at normal PLA nozzle temps.
@@mophie6941 You may not be able to break it but it's almost certainly more flexible than PLA as it's fiber reinforced nylon? When you say hard are you referring to rigidity or abrasion resistance?
@@timmturner I thought so too as I printed many part in Nylon but trust me this PA6-CF, it's completely on another level of all these filaments. First ,it's extremely pricey (189$CAD>2kg) and the filament is hygroscopic to another level too. The filament was able to pull moisture through sealed plastic bag and thick(3/8) plastic container (plastic container is vacuumed). The answer is double sided aluminum bag. It's classed as industrial filament so it make sense. Anyway, PLA will always be cheaper, I just happen to have printed 2kg of PA6-CF and the filament blew my mind, it print as easy as PLA when tuned properly, on both a Prusa MK3S+ and a Ratrig vcore 3 with klipper, no joke it was the easiest filament to tune I have done on klipper, beside pla of course I honestly don't know if it's the CF making it print that well as I've never tried CF on anything before but yea that piece of 1.8mm plastic I was talking before. My brother hurt himself trying to break it(the thing barely moved and is still intact), he had broke everything with ease before.
Hello Igor, great video as always. Just a thought, maybe you can add a sensor, like a TOF sensor, underneath the weight hanging for the creep test and use an Arduino. You could then get real time data over the test. You could add a dht22 sensor to the project to make sure conditions in the room are not impacting it. Regardless, thanks again for the informative videos!
Igor, this reminded me why I subscribed to begin with. New information and significant properties of materials i didnt knew existed. I don't want to be rude but the videos showing the same materials/properties are quite boring. They do serve a purpose, mythbust the claims of the sellers and value the actual product. Would love to talk about a way to improve appreciation of this data/products. Blessings
Something I would be interested to know is how well the engineering PLA is for spring mechanisms. They are possible with normal PLA, but unlike PETG the deformation has to be keep extremely low and spread over a log surface area. And I wonder how much this filament differs from normal PLA and PETG in these usecases.
I wonder: do you roughly tune pressure/linear advance at a mid-rage temperature before the temperature test? Because it could significantly affect/reduce stringing.
The first layer on the blue engineering filament did not look as good as the other samples, maybe this is a result of a lower bed temperature than the reccomended 100c. I have noticed when printing temperature towers that the best looking temperature level is not always the best temperature for the best first layer, for regular PLA I have noticed that it is usually the next hottest layer that gives the best first layer but not always.
Szia! Rolluk lesz video esetleg tapasztalatokkal a magyar nyelvu csatornan? Vettem Advancedet egyenlore nem hasznaltam meg de kivancsi lennek a tapasztalataidra, es az Enginerring is tervben van . Elore is koszi!
The Filaticum Engineering PLA values are quite incredible, and so is the cost of this filament at $70/kg. The questions I have are: 1) Are any of the additives toxic/carcinogenic? 2) Is this an outlier, can others verify these properties? 3) How dependent are the properites on QA (i.e. will this spool perform the same as a spool made in 3 months or a year)? 4) The performance is so good, and I've never heard of it until now, and other than at the manufacturers site, this can't be bought anywhere else, how come?
My Tech Fun mentioned he saw it recently at a 3D printing expo/forum in Hungary, so this is probably a new formula developed by a local company hence the sourcing is limited, but I agree with you. The specs are absolutely incredible and way ahead of other types of filament.
@@DKFX1 It is practically the holy grail of filaments, though as abs/nylon, not warping, easy to print, high glass temperature. If this was made in CF variants…
@@pyaloti am coming back and forth to this video and their website. Everything looks good here in Igor's video, numbers are insanely promising. What i don't understand why is this not everywhere on the market by now. The price is not cheap, i know. But there are other PLAs this price basically just with some gimmick-features. But 140-150°C is not a joke.
@dekurvajo Unlike a handful😅 most users don't look for technical print materials. I want mine to look and feel a certain way but also meet a number of specifications - strength, temp & solar endurance, behavior under specific loads.... I just ordered one of these so I can build the belted Z & some more parts for my printers.
I think calling this engineering filament PLA is disingenuous as it's obviously not primarily polylactic acid. Regardless of the chemical makeup the high glass transition temperature is amazing. Thanks for the video, great work as always.
It’s hard to judge from video with the difficult filament colours. But the blue one looks really bad printed on many shots, the layers are looking already separated and not uniform.
@@MyTechFun I'm not work at company, just I'm fan of you. Instead Alfaplus is special ABS most resistant to heavyweight, there are low price like 24 euro. I never been tried to test filament alfaplus, but I'm very curious 🤔
Elegoo ABS-like resin - ~40 €/kg. Formfutura Volcano (requires annealing, stands up to 95 deg C) - 43-55 €/kg depending on spool size. Polymaker castable filament - 76 €/kg, cheapest castable wax resin - 114 €/kg. Material is chosen based on need, not price 😉
Looks like either advanced or engineering PLA might be a good option for compression parts, if printing in ABS+ or PC isn't an option. It'll take a little bit of re-tightening but then seems to hit a limit where it doesn't creep much further. Good to know!
Some people like to watch football, I prefer to watch your well-conducted and consistent filament tests!
I really appreciate that it's possible to have an unbiased comparison of the different brands thanks to your systematic test protocols. And the fact that you question your results, and perform additional tests with different parameters when you have doubts, is very professional (like with the enclosure in this video).
Congratulations on running this channel, thank you, and enjoy your well deserved holidays!
Very interesting test. I just ordered some of the engeneering PLA based on this video. Very expensive though. 82.5 EUR for 750 grams and shipping. (Yes, it is back in stock)
At 17:30 the blue C test piece looks heavily underextruded. Maybe it requires much slower print speed due to heat resistance capabilities?
Looking at the test samples at 10:17 and they look underextruded , maybe you should tune the flow per filament before running this test , it will affect your results.
Another great video as usual, thank you 🙏
Keep them breaking, really informative video and actually could help us with stepper motor printable parts. :)
I really want to use the engineering PLA but would like to know more about it. What's in it, does it release hazardous fumes, was there a strong smell? The properties of this material are totally game changing.
Hi, the feedstock is basically PLA, so there aren't any hazardous fumse during printing. Of course it containes some additives which are non-toxic either
Great video. Shame I can't seem to find a vendor of the Engineering filament in the UK. :(
Try to contact Filaticum, ask for shipping price. Shouldn't be too expensive inside the continent.
Very interesting, thank you!
any info on how to order this? I checked their site and they are based out of Hungary, but don't seem to ship to USA (or anywhere outside of EU)
Try to contact them. I know that they shipped to USA earlier, only I don't remember of the minimal amount.
Interesting filaments, but way to expensive. :-(
I agree. But it is good to know the possibilities, if somebody needs something more heat resistant but not able to print ABS for example.
For these prices I better print other materials than these PLA’s
I agree, but the point is PLA printability. Not everybody can print ABS or PC on their printers
Thanks for these extensive tests. This engineering PLA has indeed amazing HDT properties. It makes me reconsider using HTPLA. I print on a regular basis technical parts in HTPLA (annealed in fine salt) for the projects I make for my customers. This engineering HTPLA is about 50% more expensive than the HTPLA from protopasta I use a lot, which is already quite expensive but the saved post-processing time is certainly more valuable than the extra cost.
I think that the slow down of the deformation of the advanced PLA is caused by its annealing thus increasing its HDT properties. I noticed the same behavior while comparing annealed HTPLA vs HTPLA vs PLA by ramping up the temperature from 25 to 180°C.
To make a proper comparison of their HDT properties I think you must put the samples in an already pre-heated oven to quickly expose the samples to the high temperature. It would take more time because you would need to print more samples and repeat the test at different pre-heated high temperatures.
I didn't know that PLA creep so much. In this case really shame. Deal breaker for me. Why to buy material that has high temperature resistance but creep in normal temperature.
Thanks for the tests! That engineering PLA is really interesting, I've never seen that combination of ease of printing with temperature resistance before.
try polymaker polymide PA6-CF, This material is so hard it's unbelievable, I can print it at 100mm/s with insane details and result. A 1.8mm u shape print (4x 0.45), I cannot break it with my hand. I forgot to add, u don't even need an enclosure and the bed temp is only 35c
@@mophie6941 I'm sure it's great, but it also needs a 280˚C - 300˚C nozzle temperature. What I find so interesting about this PLA is that it gets that thermal stability at normal PLA nozzle temps.
@@DurantePT True but I am just not into PLA
@@mophie6941 You may not be able to break it but it's almost certainly more flexible than PLA as it's fiber reinforced nylon?
When you say hard are you referring to rigidity or abrasion resistance?
@@timmturner I thought so too as I printed many part in Nylon but trust me this PA6-CF, it's completely on another level of all these filaments. First ,it's extremely pricey (189$CAD>2kg) and the filament is hygroscopic to another level too. The filament was able to pull moisture through sealed plastic bag and thick(3/8) plastic container (plastic container is vacuumed). The answer is double sided aluminum bag. It's classed as industrial filament so it make sense. Anyway, PLA will always be cheaper, I just happen to have printed 2kg of PA6-CF and the filament blew my mind, it print as easy as PLA when tuned properly, on both a Prusa MK3S+ and a Ratrig vcore 3 with klipper, no joke it was the easiest filament to tune I have done on klipper, beside pla of course
I honestly don't know if it's the CF making it print that well as I've never tried CF on anything before
but yea that piece of 1.8mm plastic I was talking before. My brother hurt himself trying to break it(the thing barely moved and is still intact), he had broke everything with ease before.
Great experiment🎉
Hello Igor, great video as always. Just a thought, maybe you can add a sensor, like a TOF sensor, underneath the weight hanging for the creep test and use an Arduino. You could then get real time data over the test. You could add a dht22 sensor to the project to make sure conditions in the room are not impacting it. Regardless, thanks again for the informative videos!
Any link to get ahold of this in the US?
I think they are searching for the reseller. You could contact them and ask..
Igor, this reminded me why I subscribed to begin with. New information and significant properties of materials i didnt knew existed. I don't want to be rude but the videos showing the same materials/properties are quite boring. They do serve a purpose, mythbust the claims of the sellers and value the actual product. Would love to talk about a way to improve appreciation of this data/products. Blessings
Awesome work!!
Something I would be interested to know is how well the engineering PLA is for spring mechanisms.
They are possible with normal PLA, but unlike PETG the deformation has to be keep extremely low and spread over a log surface area.
And I wonder how much this filament differs from normal PLA and PETG in these usecases.
I wonder: do you roughly tune pressure/linear advance at a mid-rage temperature before the temperature test? Because it could significantly affect/reduce stringing.
The first layer on the blue engineering filament did not look as good as the other samples, maybe this is a result of a lower bed temperature than the reccomended 100c.
I have noticed when printing temperature towers that the best looking temperature level is not always the best temperature for the best first layer, for regular PLA I have noticed that it is usually the next hottest layer that gives the best first layer but not always.
Great video as always
Interesting/Impressive filament !
Thanks for sharing your expirence with all of us 👍 😀
Szia!
Rolluk lesz video esetleg tapasztalatokkal a magyar nyelvu csatornan? Vettem Advancedet egyenlore nem hasznaltam meg de kivancsi lennek a tapasztalataidra, es az Enginerring is tervben van . Elore is koszi!
Igen, mivel ez magyar gyártó, lesz egy rövidebb összesítő videó.
@@MyTechFun varom ,koszi!😁
engineering seems promising but its about the same price as good cf nylons
The Filaticum Engineering PLA values are quite incredible, and so is the cost of this filament at $70/kg. The questions I have are:
1) Are any of the additives toxic/carcinogenic?
2) Is this an outlier, can others verify these properties?
3) How dependent are the properites on QA (i.e. will this spool perform the same as a spool made in 3 months or a year)?
4) The performance is so good, and I've never heard of it until now, and other than at the manufacturers site, this can't be bought anywhere else, how come?
My Tech Fun mentioned he saw it recently at a 3D printing expo/forum in Hungary, so this is probably a new formula developed by a local company hence the sourcing is limited, but I agree with you. The specs are absolutely incredible and way ahead of other types of filament.
@@DKFX1 It is practically the holy grail of filaments, though as abs/nylon, not warping, easy to print, high glass temperature. If this was made in CF variants…
@@pyaloti am coming back and forth to this video and their website. Everything looks good here in Igor's video, numbers are insanely promising. What i don't understand why is this not everywhere on the market by now. The price is not cheap, i know. But there are other PLAs this price basically just with some gimmick-features. But 140-150°C is not a joke.
@dekurvajo Unlike a handful😅 most users don't look for technical print materials. I want mine to look and feel a certain way but also meet a number of specifications - strength, temp & solar endurance, behavior under specific loads.... I just ordered one of these so I can build the belted Z & some more parts for my printers.
Waited so long for this one, thanks!
I think calling this engineering filament PLA is disingenuous as it's obviously not primarily polylactic acid.
Regardless of the chemical makeup the high glass transition temperature is amazing. Thanks for the video, great work as always.
It’s hard to judge from video with the difficult filament colours. But the blue one looks really bad printed on many shots, the layers are looking already separated and not uniform.
excellent information, stuff like this has so much value in R&D thanks for your efforts!
Bonjour chère ami 😉🤙🏼c’est le noir le plus solide je pense ?🤔👍🥰
Great video 👍
Thanks for making all the tests - great job. At 22:15 there is an ant highway on the wall 🐜
Ha ha, yes, we have some problems with them on accommodation. You have good eyes and sharp monitor :-)
👍😏 is good man
Great review!
Wish this filament was available in the US. Been looking and testing many filament with no success.
I asked Filaticum, they ship to US too, but it's worth only for bigger amount. It would be best if some reseller would order bigger amount..
Ha nem túl nagy kérés, akkor az összesítő excel-edbe felvehetnéd a temperature test értékeket is. Előre is köszi!
Nem nagy kérés, tervben is van. Továbbá a nyomtatási hő, 3d nyomtató és a creep teszt első ket napi eredmény.. talán augusztusban még sorrakerül..
Hello ignor, I love your video and I want test this special filament FILOALFA ALFAPLUS (Made in Italy), please let me know 🙏 😊
Is this some PLA based? I could test them too, maybe some comparison with their PETG or ABS. Are you working for the company?
@@MyTechFun I'm not work at company, just I'm fan of you.
Instead Alfaplus is special ABS most resistant to heavyweight, there are low price like 24 euro.
I never been tried to test filament alfaplus, but I'm very curious 🤔
@@Andy-js5jy OK, I will write to company, if they want to send some filaments for testing..
engineering PLA 60€ 😂😂😂😂😂
Elegoo ABS-like resin - ~40 €/kg. Formfutura Volcano (requires annealing, stands up to 95 deg C) - 43-55 €/kg depending on spool size. Polymaker castable filament - 76 €/kg, cheapest castable wax resin - 114 €/kg.
Material is chosen based on need, not price 😉
Looks like either advanced or engineering PLA might be a good option for compression parts, if printing in ABS+ or PC isn't an option. It'll take a little bit of re-tightening but then seems to hit a limit where it doesn't creep much further. Good to know!