Thank you so much for recording this, Brent. I agree with the changes you made. Combining gambrels with gables can be seen in Stickley’s Craftsman magazine, design No 2 from Jan 1904. A personal fan of Stickley’s, I would also recommend checking out his two other gambrel designs, No 178 from Jan 1914, and No 202 from Feb 1915.
This is a great story behind this one, and why it is important to think about the whole. It’s hat original window being cut off by need the post h was crazy! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise!
Beautiful! I love those roof swoops on gambrels too. This is one of my favorite designs of these videos. There's also something so great about sketching too.
Another miracle! All the changes are so great and make so much more sense, especially getting rid of the "Mini-Me" Gambrels. It tells a much better story now.
"What do you guys think?", lol I'm over here taking notes.....ok so less gambrel gotcha gotcha. Yeah extentuate this...ok ok yeah yeah good good. Everything you've done has been home runs! We're are coming to you for the What to dos. Very nicely done.
Good work on the overall massing and changing the roofs etc. Good to break up the garage (sometimes a long wing is interesting, but this was detracting from the house). I'd try to adjust the dormer so it doesn't come down so close to the entry roof. Feels heavy, and too much window for a second story. Maybe split it in two. Entry details look great!
I love Gambrel roofs. I think that the whole Dutch design is fantastic. I wish I knew how to send you a picture of a 1990s house not far from where I used to live in New Jersey that has the dormers recessed into the roof instead of out and, to me, it looks horrible!!
I just bought a house with a gambrel roof. I was told the previous owner built the house and it’s a Montgomery ward kit house, but the house was actually built in 1985. Strange right? I wonder if the previous owner acquired the kit house from a family member and couldn’t build it until 85? Another strange thing is the haint blue porch ceiling. Common in the south but odd here in gold country ca. oh well I think I’ll keep it:)
The 4 windows on the right that were changed to 3 look better on the front, but looking at the side elevation, there are 4 more matching the original 4 on the front. What happens to them?
Enjoyed the video Brent. What a cool project. California? Wow. Would you come to NC for my house? It's a 1917 farm house. My barn has a Gambrel roof and is log. Built in 1918. Thanks for the video. Take care and God bless.
Love it! Is it true that the gambrel style originally started as a tax loop hope? I heard they had to pay more money for a 2 story house and because the second story on a gambrel was above the roof line it didn’t count as a second story but an attic. Anyone?
These changes make this so much better. However, I feel like the proportions of the gambrel roof are off. The second story is about 2x the height of the first story, which is extreme. I think ~1.5x is more normal and looks better. Also, the lower roof slope seems a little shallow. And it seems really wide for a gambrel. But I'm guessing you can't do much about the height and width.
What i find so insane about this video is that a wealthy person from California shouldn’t HAVE to go to a TH-camr in Texas to fix the details on a house he’s building. He should be able to go to any number of local architecture firms and have them design him a nice house, but as you know, architecture schools don’t actually teach architecture which is why we have this problem in the first place.
How would i contact you about this type of consultation? If you would even be interested. I live in a (modest, comparably to what I've seen on your channel) home built in 1830 and added onto later in the late 1800s and then again in the 1920s, that was covered up with an awful vinyl siding some years ago. It is in a small but somewhat historically significant town in bucks county pa, and I've been trying to plan a renovation on the exterior, living room, dining room.
Hi, Brent. Ordinarily I really dislike Gambrel roofs because on most of the houses I’ve seen that use them the angle and length of the upper roof compared to the lower roof makes them look awkward and ill-proportioned but on this house even the original proportions of the Gambrel looked nice (your changes did make it look even better). Did you use a historical precedent for calculating the angles and lengths of the upper and lower roofs? I know that in Islamic architecture builders in the past would design a building by first drawing a circle and then bisecting it with horizontal and vertical lines and then further divide the four quadrants with arcs, then draw angled lines from the center point to a point where two arcs crossed and so on. Sometimes the original circle would be covered with dozens of arc points and angled lines which would then tell the designer where columns, doors and windows would be located as well as their widths. I was wondering, are there any mathematical formulas or geometric patterns from western architecture that spell out in a similar fashion how to calculate the angles and lengths of each part of a Gambrel roof? Someone somewhere must have sat down one day and said “these angles and these lengths are the most pleasingly proportioned and here is the math to prove it”.
Thanks. I did not realize all of that about Islamic Architecture. There are regulating lines and classical proportions but I didn't lay this out this out mathematically, rather just used good historic precedent.
@@BrentHull Hello. It seems strange that classical Architects wouldn't have come up with some mathematical proportioning system for a Gambrel roof, since they are quite similar to Mansard roofs. I did find this video on Gambrel roof proportions which may or may not be based on classical geometry. th-cam.com/video/vXGzuFBRKVU/w-d-xo.html
You did a nice job, but I can't help thinking that many of these houses are just too big for the style they've chosen. They're building a castle and they want it to look like a cottage. There's only so much you can do.
The before was just a mishmash of elements. Its so impressive how you harmonized everything and made it whole.
Thanks so much.
Thank you so much for recording this, Brent. I agree with the changes you made. Combining gambrels with gables can be seen in Stickley’s Craftsman magazine, design No 2 from Jan 1904. A personal fan of Stickley’s, I would also recommend checking out his two other gambrel designs, No 178 from Jan 1914, and No 202 from Feb 1915.
Wow, thanks for sharing. I forgot he had those.
Love your simplified and more balanced design.
Thanks so much!
Love it, Brent! Keep em coming!
Thanks! Will do!
Opposite of, “More cowbell!” is “Less gambrel!”
haha, true.
This is a great story behind this one, and why it is important to think about the whole. It’s hat original window being cut off by need the post h was crazy! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise!
Thanks for watching.
Beautiful! I love those roof swoops on gambrels too. This is one of my favorite designs of these videos. There's also something so great about sketching too.
Cool, thanks! Agreed!
One of my favorites if done correctly. You nailed it with the details.
Thanks!
My favorite transformation was the new conservatory/sun room - wow - just made it so much more beautiful.
Nice. Thanks so much.
Another miracle! All the changes are so great and make so much more sense, especially getting rid of the "Mini-Me" Gambrels. It tells a much better story now.
Totally agree! Thx.
Outstanding design changes!
Thank you!!
The master at work! Love it
Nice. Thanks.
Spot on Brent, thank you for sharing..
Glad you enjoyed it.
Symmetry, Balance, and Flow.
Amen.
"What do you guys think?", lol I'm over here taking notes.....ok so less gambrel gotcha gotcha. Yeah extentuate this...ok ok yeah yeah good good.
Everything you've done has been home runs! We're are coming to you for the What to dos. Very nicely done.
Haha, thanks.
Looks good .All about the flow great job !!
Thx so much.
Good work on the overall massing and changing the roofs etc. Good to break up the garage (sometimes a long wing is interesting, but this was detracting from the house). I'd try to adjust the dormer so it doesn't come down so close to the entry roof. Feels heavy, and too much window for a second story. Maybe split it in two. Entry details look great!
Nice, thanks for the comments.
Love the style the videos, thank you Brent.
Thanks for watching!
HIPPED ROOFS FOREVER!!!! ♥️♥️♥️😝😝
Haha, thanks.
KISS: Keep it simple for style
THanks!!
Elegant and gorgeous.
Nice, Thanks.
Amazing. Crazy how bad the first drawings were!
Thank you! Cheers!
love it. thanks for sharing your work!
Glad you enjoy it! Thx for watching.
That's real pretty.
Thanks, I agree.
Good job
THanks so much.
Delightful!
Nice. Thanks.
Very nice!
Great improvements!
Thank you.
I love Gambrel roofs. I think that the whole Dutch design is fantastic. I wish I knew how to send you a picture of a 1990s house not far from where I used to live in New Jersey that has the dormers recessed into the roof instead of out and, to me, it looks horrible!!
Haha. INfo@brenthull.com Take care.
I just bought a house with a gambrel roof. I was told the previous owner built the house and it’s a Montgomery ward kit house, but the house was actually built in 1985. Strange right? I wonder if the previous owner acquired the kit house from a family member and couldn’t build it until 85?
Another strange thing is the haint blue porch ceiling. Common in the south but odd here in gold country ca. oh well I think I’ll keep it:)
Very interesting. Enjoy.
The 4 windows on the right that were changed to 3 look better on the front, but looking at the side elevation, there are 4 more matching the original 4 on the front. What happens to them?
Good question. Either match the 3 like on the front or switch to five. Thanks.
Enjoyed the video Brent. What a cool project. California? Wow. Would you come to NC for my house? It's a 1917 farm house. My barn has a Gambrel roof and is log. Built in 1918. Thanks for the video. Take care and God bless.
I work all over. Thanks for watching.
Love it! Is it true that the gambrel style originally started as a tax loop hope? I heard they had to pay more money for a 2 story house and because the second story on a gambrel was above the roof line it didn’t count as a second story but an attic. Anyone?
I hadn't heard that but taxes did drive design. I think of Charleston and facing houses to the side to avoid glass tax penalties. THx.
I really liked your design, however i was wondering about the 5-6 inch facial on the pitch change ? not sure how that would actually look.
Ok, thanks.
These changes make this so much better. However, I feel like the proportions of the gambrel roof are off. The second story is about 2x the height of the first story, which is extreme. I think ~1.5x is more normal and looks better. Also, the lower roof slope seems a little shallow. And it seems really wide for a gambrel. But I'm guessing you can't do much about the height and width.
True and agreed.
What i find so insane about this video is that a wealthy person from California shouldn’t HAVE to go to a TH-camr in Texas to fix the details on a house he’s building. He should be able to go to any number of local architecture firms and have them design him a nice house, but as you know, architecture schools don’t actually teach architecture which is why we have this problem in the first place.
Sad but true. Thx
How would i contact you about this type of consultation? If you would even be interested. I live in a (modest, comparably to what I've seen on your channel) home built in 1830 and added onto later in the late 1800s and then again in the 1920s, that was covered up with an awful vinyl siding some years ago. It is in a small but somewhat historically significant town in bucks county pa, and I've been trying to plan a renovation on the exterior, living room, dining room.
Email me pics to info@brenthull.com we can discuss and I'll share fees.
Hi, Brent. Ordinarily I really dislike Gambrel roofs because on most of the houses I’ve seen that use them the angle and length of the upper roof compared to the lower roof makes them look awkward and ill-proportioned but on this house even the original proportions of the Gambrel looked nice (your changes did make it look even better). Did you use a historical precedent for calculating the angles and lengths of the upper and lower roofs?
I know that in Islamic architecture builders in the past would design a building by first drawing a circle and then bisecting it with horizontal and vertical lines and then further divide the four quadrants with arcs, then draw angled lines from the center point to a point where two arcs crossed and so on. Sometimes the original circle would be covered with dozens of arc points and angled lines which would then tell the designer where columns, doors and windows would be located as well as their widths.
I was wondering, are there any mathematical formulas or geometric patterns from western architecture that spell out in a similar fashion how to calculate the angles and lengths of each part of a Gambrel roof? Someone somewhere must have sat down one day and said “these angles and these lengths are the most pleasingly proportioned and here is the math to prove it”.
Thanks. I did not realize all of that about Islamic Architecture. There are regulating lines and classical proportions but I didn't lay this out this out mathematically, rather just used good historic precedent.
@@BrentHull Hello. It seems strange that classical Architects wouldn't have come up with some mathematical proportioning system for a Gambrel roof, since they are quite similar to Mansard roofs.
I did find this video on Gambrel roof proportions which may or may not be based on classical geometry.
th-cam.com/video/vXGzuFBRKVU/w-d-xo.html
The roof massing/second story on the main house is way too heavy.
Ok.
You did a nice job, but I can't help thinking that many of these houses are just too big for the style they've chosen. They're building a castle and they want it to look like a cottage. There's only so much you can do.
Thanks.