Ingramspark versus Barnes & Noble Press: comparing pros & cons of these two self publishing options
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ธ.ค. 2022
- Sadly, both of these companies have more cons than pros, but let's compare Ingramspark with Barnes and Noble Press, and I'll share both my personal experience as well as some general stats that you can consider when you're trying to decide where to self publish your book.
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Thank you so much for these videos!
Dear Ms. Atazadeh, this is a great video going over the differences between both self-publishing companies. I've recently published my first book and had a nightmare scenario involving both of them. I went in with the false assumption that Barnes and Nobles Press operates similar to KDP and an author can publish with them and Ingramsparks together for print books. They can, but with a catch. It all came down to an issue of ISBNs. Barnes and Nobles not only uses the same printer but also shares the same ISBN registry. If an author uses ISBNs they've purchased and registered on Booker on Barnes and Nobles or Ingramsparks, neither company will let you upload a book if the other has registered it first. KDP will. I uploaded first to KDP, then to Barnes and Nobles, however when I went to Ingramsparks once I had all the files finalized and ready to upload, I couldn't because my print copies' ISBNs were already registered to Barnes and Nobles. I wanted to go with a wide distribution and pre-order, but couldn't because Ingramsparks was claiming that the ISBNs were already registered and wouldn't allow me to upload my files. I discovered this issue two months before release day, and to fix it, there were only two options. Either assign the books new ISBNs to print through Ingramsparks, or go through Ingramsparks's transfer process where with permission from me, recording the ISBN numbers, and putting in who the current publisher was, they can transfer the data from the current publisher to Ingramsparks. I chose to go through with the transfer process to save the ISBNs I'd purchase, only to realize the transfer process takes a month to complete. During which time, an author can only wait until they are informed if the transfer goes through. Fortunately, the transfer completed on time before release day (two weeks before) however it did teach me something. Authors can decide to use the free ISBN self-publishing companies offer and that can probably avoid this issue, or use new ISBNs each time they upload. However, if they want more control and own their own ISBNs, this is something that can be blindsiding. Just want to share in case you ever wanted to go wide with your books on Barnes and Noble Press and discover this same issue with Ingramsparks. It may require you to use or purchase more ISBNs or go through their transfer process.
Exactly the same thing happened to me, but in reverse. I tried to upload to Ingramspark then decided to go with B&N, and discovered my ISBN was being held captive by IngramSpark. I had to sacrifice that ISBN after IngramSpark failed to get back to me in time for my publishing date.
This is great information! Thank you!
@@kaighlarisesso we can only pick one? After kdp. Who would you pick now and what order? Thank you
You will never know how much I appreciate these videos.
Can I just say, the commenting back and forth with your little one has made this video so much more fun. Ha! I love it. It is like a mini critic and they are so enjoyable
Haha thank you so much, he cracks me up!
Thank you for this awesome video. The timing could not have been more perfect as I complete the final stages of editing my first book. Your videos are so helpful for new authors. I appreciate all that you do. God bless.
Yay! Absolutely, so glad it was helpful! (And I bet you'll love tomorrow's video!)
Love binging your videos on commutes to work and lunch break! You are my go-to for quality value in information. Thank you so much for helping newbies with your experiences!
Yay thank you so much! So happy you enjoy the videos! :D
Super bummed out about b&n!!! I expected so much more from them. Thanks for the breakdown for both of them. It's MUCH appreciated
RIGHT??? Me too lol, it definitely bummed me out, but it's not 100% negative, there are still some positives, so here's hoping they'll improve some of those cons soon haha
My book comes out tomorrow, The Lutheran Chase. I haven't seen it in real person before, so I hope they have it at my local B&N stores tomorrow, after a few pre-orders from my family and friends. An amazing accomplishment for me in the last few years. Whenever I didn't do film photography, or hockey. I finally pushed myself for me to write my debut novel, in which I've learned from Brian Russell. Actually, I've never used IngramSpark but I use B&N Press to publish my book, which didn't take this long back last month. It's not that bad compared to the other one.
Very helpful to know, Bethany! Thank you for making these types of videos.
As someone who hopes to publish my first book next year, THANK YOU for making these videos!
Yay! Absolutely, so glad it was helpful! (And I bet you'll love tomorrow's video!)
I really appreciate this video! I've been digging for a candid pro and con list about these publishing services and you broke it down so well! Thank you for #spillingthetea! LOL. 🤣💕
Thank you so much, I’m so happy you enjoyed it!
Great video! Very useful. Such an adorable little assistant.
Thank you so much for this!! I've had people ask me for other options besides KDP because they don't like Amazon, but wasn't sure about the other sites. Your review was incredibly insightful, and will help me to decide what to do when I publish my next book. Appreciate it!!
Yay! Absolutely, so glad it was helpful! (And I bet you'll love tomorrow's video!)
Goooodness....I am SO glad I watched your channel. Thank you for sharing the difference between these companies and in such a clear, easy to understand way. I appreciate the pro's and con's and the valuable information.
You're little one is adorable by the way :}
I love this video! Great info ❤️
Thanks so much!
You nailed it. I'm not using Barnes and Noble again because even though they offer print preorders they don't ship those orders until days after the release date and my readers didn't get their books for 2 weeks after release. I expected they would ship it early so it would arrive on release day. So, even though KDP didn't allow print preorders, my readers got their KDP print books 2-3 days after ordering on the release date. So, none of the work to get the preorders ready for Barnes and Noble paid off if the books got to the readers almost 2 weeks after KDP. It's no longer worth it for me.
Ooooooh no, I didn't know that first fact and that kinda bums me out, but I'm so glad you told me so that I could be prepared... :( Thanks for letting me know!
It is my understanding that B&N bought out Ingram some years back; Ingram is one of the world's largest distributors of books, but it is a subsidiary of B&N, so I'm not surprised that Spark does their Print on Demand.
I started with KDP and switched to BN Press when I realized they do preorder and dust jacket on hardcovers. I found BN much more intuitive and simple. I wish they had the distribution Amazon does, because I found it very helpful.
Ugh. I've experienced IngramSpark. Before your video, I was considering Barnes and Noble. I think I'll stick with KDP. It's been so good to me. Hopefully, they'll add preorders. I'll hold on til then! Great video!
So sorry you've had rough experiences with them also :( And glad this video was helpful - and yeah, KDP has so many pros, they're definitely my fave! Thank you!
Thanks for this information. For one whose account was terminated by Amazon kdp, try to publish through either of these.
Thanks for sharing this!
Absolutely! So glad it was helpful!
Thank you SOOO much for this information. This was all VERY important to know.
This is great video. As I want to be an indie author. So it was invaluable to know who I should work with. (Other than KDP)
Yay! So glad it was helpful! And you might really enjoy tmrws video too then! :)
Very helpful. Thank you!
Absolutely, so glad you enjoyed!
@@BethanyAtazadeh You have been a GREAT resource for my (1st time) self publishing journey. Thank you for your generosity! 🙏🏾
Loved your video. I learned much. I am surprised at B&N. How long have they been in the book business?
Have you done a video on KDP marketing? Like how much you spend on ads. What you’ve seen the most success with? Or your preferred best marketing?
I don't actually do ads right now! But you can absolutely check out my marketing playlist on here, I've got about 30+ videos with all the things I've done and like doing! :)
Thanks for sharing! As much as I hate the amount of time IS takes to approves stuff (not to mention the upload fee), I do like their distribution, but it's a tough pill to swallow. To be honest, the thing I hate most about IS, is there is no option to digitally preview your files before you pay the upload fee. That seems super shady to me.
I 100% agree with you. Especially the part about not being able to preview the files, super frustrating and expensive. :(
so if both these companies come up short, and it sounds like they do , then who ? for wide distribution ? whats the solution ?
Thank you for this video 🙌 and he is so cute!!
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed!
Great video... Can you use the same isbn on all platforms?... More specifically, can you use the free ISBN you get with KDP on the other two platforms?
Yeah... I gave up on IngramSpark over a year ago. Too many issues and confusion -- unacceptable in my opinion. Went KDP and have probably saved myself thousands of dollars. 🤣
Hi Bethany! Thanks for the helpful videos. Can you let me know if Barnes & Noble prices are better than Ingram for printing and shipping? Alto shipping times.
Absolutely! Keep in mind every single book will have a different cost because of size/weight! But B&N is just slightly better than Ingram... not by much, but a little haha. Both will say something around 10 days for printing, but may take longer (especially Ingram, almost guaranteed).
Have you tried Book Vault!?!? Super great company
Wonderful video! Would it be possible to order dust covers for KDP hardcover?
I imagine anything is possible, but I don’t know how and I doubt it’d be easy or cheap!
Would make sense to publish with all three? Or is it redundant?
What I like about this video, is when (6:56 time) the "Magically Found It" is said. the word "Can't Find It" is frequently used in fraudulent transactions. Always dispute the charges that you don't want in either your bank or credit card company.
Yeah that was very unfortunate that I had to threaten before they did the work. It’s not a small company either.
I was having trouble using B&N press ordering a personal copy of my novel, so I sent them an email and the EXACT same person gave me a similar awful response 😬
Barnes and Noble press is really giving me a hard time. I purchased ISBN codes from Bowker, and it kept telling me one of my ISBN codes was already used. I thought that was the whole point of an ISBN numbers is to be universally used, a Barnes & Noble prohibits you from using an ISBN that you've already used on another platform so I had to use one of theirs. Does anyone think that will be confusing having two paperback copies under two different ISBN numbers? And do I have to put Nook publishing on my copyright page now?
Barnes and Noble press is giving me such a hard time. Do you have to wait 72 hours once presale is up and approved to order a proof copy?
I'm getting ready to publish my first book. I know you can use both KDP and IngramSpark to publish the same book and I've heard several indie authors recommend that. Can you use Barnes and Noble press along with KDP or IS?
You sure can! Both KDP and Ingramspark can also distribute to B&N, so it's not necessary and mostly will be additional work, but if you have reasons for adding it you definitely can. :)
Hi Bethany. I wonder if you have any thoughts about 48 Hour Books.
Thank you
I only use it for their book templates. They aren't publishers, I've talked to them. But only turn your book into a readable book, but they don't publish your book.
Hi.
I’m from the UK and watch all you tutorials.
Can you advise where I can print my book for personal use and not for publishing?
I’ve uploaded my manuscript to KDP but have no choice but to add a publish date which o don’t want to do.
All these places can be personal only. For KDP just don’t press publish and order a proof copy. If you want to avoid the bar on the cover they do, use Ingramspark or B&N and choose the “personal only” option on those.
@@BethanyAtazadeh thanks, I’ll give it a go. X
Can you talk about the difference in prices between all three (kdp, Ingram, b&n) and the royalty percentages? I've heard Ingram is cheaper than kdp (in that you get a higher percentage of the sales).
Also, I'm so sorry that you had a bad experience with both companies! You would think big companies like Ingram and B&N would have better customer service :/
Ingramspark takes the most $ from authors = least money in your pocket. B&N is in the middle. KDP has the best royalties. Hope that helps!
And I agree!
Thank you. Good info. Cute Baby.
Thank you!
Can you publish on multiple platforms like KDP, Barnes & Noble Press along with Ingram Spark at the same time for the same book.I am looking at other options for future books
Yep! Just make sure not to make duplicates because Ingram technically publishes to amazon and BN as well!
@@BethanyAtazadeh Thank you and when you say duplicate? What do you mean ? Like duplicate copies on Amazon ? And how would I do that ?
I am of the opinion that baby noises in fact enhance the viewing experience
Also Bethany have you tried lulu? So curious to hear your thoughts on it!
I haven't! But if I do someday, I'll definitely do a video on it! :)
@@BethanyAtazadeh I can't wait! I've read some good things about them on reddit and Facebook writing groups so would be really good to see a review from you. I trust your judgement 😂
What happened when they had misprints? Did they fix it?
They usually will, after a lot of work on my end to prove it
In my opinion... Auguste over at B&N Press is not a real person, he's an AI. Why do I think this? Because I had a pretty straightforward issue/question and he could not understand it. Also, his only responses were copied and pasted straight off the B&N website and self-publishing pdf book. The most human thing he said to me was: "B&N Press is a self-service, we offer no phone support." So.... you're on your own.
Amazing stuff--information plus insights--amazing energy--great sense of humor--congrats on your presentation--will use your secrets on my first KDP book---keep the insights coming--RJRay
Have you filed a report with the better business bureau about Ingram Spark?
I never actually thought to do that, that’s a really intriguing idea! I just don’t know what they’d react to, to be honest… I can’t remember the details I shared in this video but things like poor customer service and raising prices to ridiculous heights is probably not something BBB would do anything about?
Do you work for KDP as well?
No
I heard from another youtuber that Ingram did away with the $49 upload fee and you get 60 days to make edits before they start charging the $25 fee. Do you think you will use them more now that this has happened?
Yep they seem like they’re going in the right direction, and it actually does make me tempted to go back to using them, maybe I’ll do a video on it soon once I have had time to think about it!
@@BethanyAtazadeh I'll be looking forward to watching that video. 😁
So many cons! I think this is why I don't end up doing print lol feels in the too hard basket.
Totally fair! It's definitely a LOT of cons in my opinion too. :(
@@BethanyAtazadeh It's on my list to sort out next year, as I'm hoping to do some more in person events. Because I'm in New Zealand the shipping is ridiculous and there are these weird quirks like if you order from KDP in the UK, it's cheaper/faster to get here than if you do it via KDP AU - I don't know how that works. Mind boggling lol
with Amazon who I published with, make you wait seven days if you revise or change anything with your copy in any way but at least you know.
Hmmm interesting... I publish with Amazon as well, and usually my changes are implemented within a few hours. When you submit changes it always says within "72 hours" so I find that odd, but maybe that was in the past?
@@BethanyAtazadeh well it was only in September this year that I published but I'm in the UK, but I thought it wouldn't make any difference or would it?
Dang. The troubles you have had sound as frustrating as I have had with Facebook and Instagram LOL. I dont know why everything we authors use these days doesnt have good customer service. Except KDP. If I ever did paperback pre orders (which I dont have even any interest in them now once the book are already released) I would probably just soft release them on kdp to order author copies and use those as pre orders. Or get people's pre orders first and somehow order and send them before launch day or something. But I dont have any readers buying them so it isn't something I need to worry about....yet.
Right?? KDP isn't perfect either (every once in a while I get a really bad experience) but usually they are super helpful! A soft release on KDP sounds like a fun way to do that!
lol this sounds so complicated. I'll just stick to what I have. At least I know they can do their job right 😂😅
I’m sticking with kdp
Totally valid!
Barnes and noble press doesn't ship to Australia so as an author its a hard pass unfortunately 😭
So sorry! I know it's not a great option outside the U.S. sadly :(
Ugh I hate that there's no easy solution for these things!! All self-publishing companies have their own cons, though KDP is definitely the best.
Agreed!
Wanting that G on the spine to be changed and so perfect is your problem. It is perfectly visible, legible. I like your video, great information except on this one point. I thought it was way too OCD on your part. Don't drive yourself crazy.
Dang, what happened to the days when the author was only concerned with creating? Now the author has to worry about all the intricate business headaches that goes into presenting your book to the world. It's to the point where all my creative juices and great ideas are starting to dry up. I was scammed by Newman Springs Publishing. So, my children's book with them fell through a portal to absolutely nowhere.
I am very pleased with 48 Hour Books on my second book attempt, but, I don't know how to go about selling my book because they do not market or sell. Newman Springs Publishing claim to market and sell, but, they are scam artists and liars.
Newman Springs Publishing gets an F.
48 Hour Books gets an A+ (They only make books, that's it.)
In this age, with so many people making TH-cam videos, you would think that companies would be aware that stories about poor customer service, like not refunding your purchase because they 'can't find it', are going to appear in these videos and cost them profits? No? Who is running the customer service department, a 60 year old who thinks the internet is a 'series of tubes'?
Yeah I agree, sigh. :(