You are right about Heaven's Gate. They were the ones that killed themselves when the Hale-Bopp comet reached its closest approach because they thought their space ship was there. I remember when the Jonestown mass suicide quite well. We watched the breaking news on television and were completely horrified. I was only about 11 and it really had a major impact on how I viewed organized religion going forward. My poor younger brother was so traumatized that when we had a school ice cream social a few days after the news about Jonestown broke, one of the teachers tried to give him kool-aid and he totally freaked out. Can't say I blamed him, either.
There was a story in the news that Heavens Gate members had bought a really nice telescope when the comet got close and returned it when they didn't see the UFO following it
I also remember they put purple triangles on their faces for some reason. Can't remember why they thought that would help, but it was a brainsick cult so there might not have been a Why. I also remember reading somewhere that investigators concluded that not all members had died willingly, had been "helped" by the others and the triangle placed posthumously so they wouldn't "miss out" on the ascendancy.
I'm 53 years old and I was 8 years old when jonestown happened I still don't drink anything Kool aid but it was flavor Ade that Jim Jones used not Kool aid
Y2K was a legit technical issue. It was (mostly) dealt with ahead of time so it became a non-issue. That didn't stop some people from thinking crazy things.
Came in here to say the same thing. It was so well handled that most people now think that it was always a nonissue, not realizing how much work was done on a global scale to ensure that nothing bad happened.
Certain operating systems only had two digits to represent a year in there code which would cause a stack overflow at the turn of the year to 2000 (simplifying this immensely) now some people didn't understand the real technology problem made it a psudeo religious thing. This was probably overstated, very little technology that would fail was critical, some systems did fail, I think there were a few scheduling issues with booking systems and the like as they crashed but most sofiaticated companies had upgraded to systems that did not have that issue, it was actually something of a cottage industry, and a bit of a scam since many systems that wouldn't have had an issue upgraded due to slick salesman convincing them that their old systems were going to somehow kill their entire company.
I also came down to bring this up. But yeah millions were spent globally to patch code and stuff over a short time leading up to it and even then there were some small issues in a few places.
As one of the programmers who spent 2 years rewriting code so that when it became 2000 the computers didnt think it was 1900 I hate it when people laugh like this was a fake issue. It was very real. Oh: BTW: there is a LINUX issue that will hit in 2035 since LINUX counts time in milliseconds from 1970. This is being fixed in newer machines but lots of places never patch/upgrade/buy new hardware.
You can tell Good enough is rising because people are STARVING for Sam O’Nella content and this guy has nearly taken over that role and filled that niche.
I'm actually surprised the Mason Family didn't get a mention. On a side note I couldn't imagine the headache a company received when a mass suicide was attributed to your product in popular culture when the product used to commit suicide was actually your competitors (Flavor Aid was used.)
Seriously, I thought the Manson family would be at the top. They were basically just a cult of serial killers. Although there is some question as to whether or not Manson himself believed any of it
The fact that Kool-Aid is still going strong, says something about the marketing team, or just it was a great brand it was cheap and kids loved it. Definitely going to dig into some research on the aftermath of jonestown on Kool-Aid
Hi Mr Terry and greetings from the UK. I am a Data Engineer and Analyst so if helpful I will explain Y2K. The Y2K problem stemmed from the common practice of representing years with only the last two digits. For example, the year 1998 was stored as "98." As the year 2000 approached, systems that were not Y2K compliant could misinterpret "00" as 1900 instead of 2000. This occurred because the system might assume that "00" represents the year 1900 since it follows the pattern of two-digit years. For instance, if a system calculated the difference between two dates and encountered "00," it might incorrectly deduce that the date is in the 1900s instead of the 2000s, leading to potential errors in calculations, data processing, and other system functions. To avoid these issues, organizations had to update and modify their systems to handle four-digit year representations, ensuring accurate date processing. The transition from using two-digit representations for the year (e.g., "98" for 1998) to a four-digit format (e.g., "1998"). This shift allowed systems to distinguish between the years in the 1900s and 2000s. It was overblown and ideas of nukes going was speculative at best but computer development was already working to counter the issue. It was just a pain for most as people had to update their code, backlogged their old data when transitioning to new etc.
Interesting. I really thought it was an entirely misconceived concern that computers couldn’t handle the first digit (of 4) going from a 1 to a 2. Which should never have been an issue unless someone had coded a specific system to specifically not allow that.
I had an ancient Windows computer. Whatever came before Windows95. All that happened was the Calender year reset to a year in the early 90s, like 93... I think.
Good explanation. I'll add more context for anyone curious why would anyone code that in the first place. Data storage was precious at the beginning of the digital era. Programmers would frequently remove repetitive information to save space (like the "19" from every date stored in the database up to that point). [More in depth info; computers store data in binary. To store numbers 0-99 you need 7 bits, to store say 0-9999 you need 14 bits. In a database with millions of records the difference starts to add up. Note1: this math doesn't include negative numbers. Note2: Programs today tend to use powers of 2 (2, 4, 8, 16, 32...) for more consistent performance, rather than size optimization.] This issue was identified long before 1999. Basically all new software launched in 1999 was compliant, and old critical software received updates in advance. This was simply a solution developed for the limited technology of the time, that only got changed once we got close to the limit. There are many other examples of this happening. One would be the filename length limit in FAT16 systems (Windows up to 95). It used to be 8 characters long, with 3 characters for the extension. A better example is the Internet Protocol, or IP addresses. The internet transitioned from IPv4 (32 bits) to IPv6 (128 bits) when we started running out of IP addresses to use.
It wasn't really overblown. There was more to the issue than just mistaking "00" for 1900. The more critical issue was memory allocation. This was incrementing 99 to 100 as character storage, so 2 bytes were allocated to storing the number. When it rolls over to 100, those 2 bytes are still storing "00", but there is now a 3rd byte. So, for an oversimplified example, let's say you store an autopilot's altitude in feet and the value is "|29000|" (29,000 feet), then you store the date "|99|12|31|" (1999, Dec 31). So that's "|29000|99|12|31|". Now we switch to the next day and you are storing "2|90001|00|01|01|" - so an extraneous 2 it doesn't know what to do with, altitude of 90,001 feet, and date of 1900, Jan 1. So the autopilot starts trying to descend from 29,000 feet to negative 61,001 feet and planes aren't known for doing well 61,001 feet below ground. And the reality is, we don't know for certain what would happen for every system because memory allocation isn't always tightly controlled, with some systems allocating it as needed so the allocation may have caused a trivial issue on one test and a fatal issue on another. There were systems that totally crashed when testing setting the clocks forward - including a nuclear plant in Pennsylvania that was shut down for hours when they accidentally tested on a live system in 1999. Part of the problem with perception is that there was very little reporting of the fixes. The military and aviation systems that were widely circulated as the worst risks of the Y2k bug were, for obvious reasons, the first ones fixed. And nearly all critical systems worldwide and most non-critical systems were fixed before December of 1999. But the public generally wasn't told that. They were left with news media breathlessly reporting old news about the risks as if it were current right up until January 1.
I’m studying psychology and you’re absolutely right about how interesting cults are (albeit horrifying and morbid). Fear is such a powerful tool that can just literally rule your entire life. Insane stuff.
Y2K could have been very problematic if it wasn't detected early enough for everyone to adapt. Humanity getting together to solve a potential problem is one of the "up with human" feathers in humanity's cap.
This. Waco was and still is wild. One of the best examples of @Wendigoon ‘s most accurate line, “If you think the federal government wouldn’t do that- yes they would!”
During the last day of Jones Town, Jones demanded his followers to drink and when dozens refused h good drink and attempted to flee but Jones’s army, the same one that ambushed the leaving politician, was ordered to kill anyone that resisted or attempted to flee. Loads of moms died trying to save their kids but they all died one way or another, it’s horrific when you start reading about it.
In the defense of the Y2K thing, computers used to be programmed as 19xx for the year. That means that as soon as the year changed to 2000 the computers would think that it was 1900. Can you imagine having all banks have their accounts revert to the amount of money recorded on those computers for a year that existed before modern computers were invented? The Y2K problem was fixed before it became an actual problem.
They were planning a full coup of the Japanese government. From what I remember, some defectors tried to warn the government that the cult was dangerous and violating a ton of important laws, but they were ignored, and some disappeared to never be seen again. It was only after an attempted mail bomb on their president and the failed subway attacks meant to wipe out the entire Japanese Diet so they could take over that the Japanese government took them seriously.
To be fair, @mrterry Y2K did actually have some issues. It wasn't as catastrophic as some thought it would be...but computers that didn't have their BIOS updated to use a 4 digit year. Some older systems used a 2 digit year. There were reports of some new auto registrations being sent out before it was caught that showed car registrations in 1900.
I have no idea how good the NYE 2000 party was, because I was at work until 3AM, as I was in charge of our company's Y2K compliance process. We'd re-written all of our accounting, payroll, scheduling, and data security programs, plus a few other things I can't recall at the moment, and I had to go through everything and make sure it was functioning properly. No idea what they thought I'd do if anything was broken, because I can't write COBOL or FORTRAN.
The Millennium Bug thing wasn't a fringe thing, at least in Italy. All major newspapers discussed it at lenght, it was on the main news channel and taken seriously etc. Not as a doomsday event of course but a risk of transportation/hospitals/etc systemts not working anymore. Apparently Microsoft and co. released patches for the operating systems or something like that.
I’m surprised that “Love has won” didn’t make the cut. That one was led by a female leader and she travelled to Maui and Kauai. I vaguely remembered the YTK thing and I didn’t really care, I was a child then and my parents just shrugged and laughed at that, there are times that my parents would randomly bring that up too and call those ppl “dumb.”
The child abuse was produced after the siege was over. Ironically, the whole thing could have been avoided; Korish was known to jog away from the compound daily. The ATF could have easily just picked him up. It was suggested that the ATF had planned this about time that the federal department funding was to be assigned, and they felt they needed a big arrest for increased funding. Point in the child abuse side: ATF covers violations of gun, alcohol, tobacco and explosive laws, there's nothing on child abuse there.
The allegations were first claimed before the attack but were investigated, members were charged, and cases subsequently fell apart while in Texas court. The original charge was from a former rival of Koresh's control over the cult and hated him to such a degree he was committed for killing a man for mentioning his name. The initial charge that led to the raid was the production of explosive devices but shifted to the previous allegations as the standoff dragged on and it was becoming harder to maintain public support. But the whole thing could have been resolved far sooner. The compound had an open door policy and the feds were invited in to observe their gunsmithing business but refused so they could skulk around across the street.
ATF also go after military grade explosives owned by civilians. Koresh had a crate of hand grenades delivered to the compound, along with several more crates of supplies to build around a hundred more grenades.
@@seanrosenau2088 They sold novelty desk ornaments that read "If there is a problem, take a number," the number hanging off the pin of an inactive grenade. And considering they were registered gunsmiths, the supplies are not to be unexpected.
I am highly suspicious of anyone who tries to give an "alternative history" of Waco. White supremacists and anti-government groups like sovereign citizens use it to justify violence like the Oklahoma City bombing. You don't provide a single source, I am not following you down the conspiracy rabbit hole.
Yes, the Y2K problem was a serious issue that cost many industries and government a lot of money to resolve. It was because when most programs were originally developed, they used a two-digits value to represent the year to save space because memory was very limited and costly. The base problem would be that 1999 would be presented by 99 and 2000 would be represented by 00. Also depending how the number is represented in code, this could turn the year into a negative value. It is a similar problem when video games like Donkey Kong roll over their score or level count. It was a true historic event.
Regarding Y2K: there was an actual issue with the programming of dates to save space back then (yes kids, a GIGABYTE was huge back then). 2000 had a lot of doomsday stuff: computers, millennium, etc
Massively important note for the Branch Davidian one. The weapons they owned were fully legally owned because they sold them. They had legal certificates to sell firearms. And they even invited federal agents to check them, which was ignored
5:26-9:03 That’s the cult that pissed-off Hideaki Anno since it disrupted storyboarding schedule which inadvertently change the course of anime history.
To add on to the Y2K problem, data storage is really limited at that time. Imagine an boarder control systems where thousands of people comes and go. A number from 0-9 requires 4 extra bits and 2 of them (for the first two digit in a year) means 8 extra bits per record (or 1 byte). Imagine per record you need to log the entry time, exit time, and record creation time. Thats 3 bytes per record. Now imagine expecting to store 10 millions of these records. That would be 30MB. This may sound trivial with todays technology, but back in the 80s a 5MB harddisk can cost about 40,000 USD at the time, which is about 150,000 USD today. As you can see why it is sort of a standard for programs to omit the first two digits of a year and just assume its 19XX. Now you may think that in the 90s to 00s harddisks has become cheaper and bigger (About 50GB) so why is this still a problem. The answer lies in legacy programs. Nobody wants to risk anything altering something that has been written a decade ago, especially for banks and stuff. Sure most. of the newer stuff is already "Y2K" compatible, but not the old ones. This trigger a huge chain of events where systems all around the globe, including critical ones such as banks (imagine trying to calculate the interest on a loan you took in 1998 for the year 1900), power grid management, airlines etc, to be updated to be y2k compliant. It is incredible how most of them managed to successfully migrate without huge hiccups.
Applewhite's infamous broadcast is my nightmare fuel. There's something so uncanny about the way he speaks and just stares at the camera like Charles Manson in any of his in-jail interviews.
Hi, I just wanted to say I totallyy can relate on wondering about the psyhological iceberg behind how and why cults continue to exist. And yes, the "apologies" after set doomsdays just passed by magically doomless.
I remember when the hale-bob comet came by. I didn't know until later the the Heavens Gate cult thing happened until later. I was sheltered as a child until was in middle school.
I was going to leave a comment about why eunuchs were trusted, but then I remembered that Mr. Terry taught me that 😂 I hit play knowing he would explain it
There is quite an irony for any doomsday cult that arises from Jewish or Christian roots since their mere existence means they have to ignore two major biblical teachings. Namely: 1. If a supposed prophet's predictions do not happen as described, then they are not a prophet. 2. No one but God knows when the end of the world will happen.
Man, this guy is spreading some weird misconceptions. The People in Jonestown knew the brew was poisoned. Maybe not right away since they had several "practice sessions" where the brew wasn't poisoned and they may have thought this was another practice. But they definitely knew it was bad when the children (made to drink first, many with needle free syringes) started screaming. One woman tried to stand up to Jones and ask that at least the children be spared, but he was caught up in this dream or spiel of his that what awaited them from the US government would be "many times worse than death". To some extent I think he just wanted everyone else to go with him because he knew that he was screwed once the defectors started telling their stories. Frigging egomaniac wanted an entourage with him into death.
I remember all the school computers with the yellow "y2k compliant" stickers. I thought it was ridiculous, as a 15 year old. I do remember that fire in the church being in the news. Sad story, however i do remember it.
Their artwork is giving hardcore David Firth vibes and I am here for it 😂 That being said, I understand why but there's some pretty (I think) noteworthy context missing from some of these descriptions. Like how, say, Jonestown was ridic underdeveloped prior to Jones' and the other members' arrival, which is why they were essentially put to slave work. Also, Jones held consistent mock s*****e's so that is why a LOT of the people who passed that day were unsuspecting. Jones also recorded audio of the whole thing, including taking his own life. Also, I guess I get why it's left out but I think it's an important missed opportunity to talk about the history of Number 3, whose name I always forget, that began essentially by ploy of a "minor attracted person" to gain ritualistic "right" to... children, after convincing people they were the "true descendants of the Knights Templar," which is WILD.
Wow! As quickly as the original page caught on and the surprising number of views garnered in such short time would almost consider the page a cult in itself!
To be fair, Jim Jones wasn't exactly a communist, but rather what he called "apostolic socialist", which it was a form of Christian Socialism, and this is a important difference, because christian socialism was way less about Marx and Engels and their theory, and more about Jesus not liking the rich and seeing the rich as sinners
In a lot of computer systems y2k was a real problem, but it was solved so well that everyone thinks it was a false alarm. Tangentially, I worked on rocket engine test software that would crash if you ran a test over midnight on new years. But the company was always on holiday leave during that time, so it was never addressed....
There is another channel using stick figures that uses the same content in a few examples, like the worst tortures in history and worst punishments in history, since back then punishment was often torture. Im not sure whats up with the shared content thing between different channels unless its the same team.
I was kind of disappointed with the original video for not mentioning the comet. Good on you for remembering that. (They put their poison in apple sauce btw, if I'm not misremembering.)
Paramount+ has a great miniseries based on the Waco siege. It does a good job balancing perspectives. The Branch Davidians felt like they were being targeted for crimes they didn't commit, the ATF felt like they needed a big public win after Ruby Ridge, and later the FBI would have its own internal conflict between the aggressive HRT unit and the pacifistic hostage negotiators. Long story short, Koresh was a narcissistic pedophile who truly believed he knew what was best, his followers believed they were just being good Christians and loyal followers stuck in a bad situation, the government believed they were violent radicals, and the media sensationalized them as a doomsday cult.
Eunuchs are either high level government advisers(eastern Eunuchs) or High level male servants of the Female Quarters(western eunuchs). A common misconception is the castration of Eunuchs which was only done west of the Himalayas for the servants of the Female Quarters. Not necessary for the Chinese Eunuchs who were government advisers. Were there some who were/weren't in the opposite camp, Possibly, but if one was caught being in one state or the other it did cause issues and scandals depending on the Eunuchs role.
I do wonder what would happen if a doomsday cult said "The end of the world will be such and such a date" and then by random coincidence a nuclear war or something happens on that exact day.
Saying that any yoga class is a gateway to a cult is like saying that any church is a gateway to a cult since the 1st cult discussed here starts in a Christian church.
I know this is a cursory video that's just supposed to scratch the surface, but I'm surprised at some of the stuff they left out like the comment thing for heaven's gate which is kind of very well needed to be in the discussion even if it is a surface level discussion there's a few other things too but that's the one that stands out the most
The thing about Y2K is that it would have affected banks, which would have been massive. The issue with the dates was that they were coded in a way that the 19 part was just static, and from 99 it would roll over to 1900, and the bank systems would have a lot of issues regarding that. It's a big impact, sure, but it wouldn't have been the massive doomsday people made it out to be.
Funny thing is, the new millennium didn't technically hit until 2001. The first millennium was year 1-1000 The seconde being 1001-2000 Third (current) 2001-3000 Fourth will be 3001-4000 Etc
Yes you are right this heavens gate cult was related to the Hale-Bopp comet and yes also the same cult that were all dressed the same in the nike suits.
Nothing against organized religion, I myself identify as a Satanist. But it's weird to me that religious people can look at these people who start cults and think "Wow these guys are insane," but don't have the hindsight to look at Abraham, or Moses, so on, and consider that these "prophets" might just be insane
Why would you be a satanist? So you either are a real worshipper of the spirit of evil itself, or you are an atheist hedonist who needlessly calls himself satanist. Why, man?
Something a lot of people seem ignorant of or "conveniently" leave out. It's stated that not even God knows when Judgement Day will occur. It's at HIS decision, not ours. Also, I'm surprised Scientology isn't on the list.
I think the rational among us are currently fascinated with cults due to our unfortunate government. So, like... Why does the regular workforce retirement age not apply to said body of leaders? I just don't get it.
Not going to lie, don't really see the appeal of the OC creator. His jokes are the obvious ones, his story telling has the cadence of a nervous middle schooler, and his content was pretty shallow. To not bring up the comet on heaven's gate is sad given that's what got most of the media attention. Maybe I'm just not the target audience lol Thanks for making it better Mr. Terry
So you were right about one of these groups having to do with Haileys Comet... that was Heavens Gate...they believed that by dying on that day they could ascend to the UFO that tailed the comet...
I don’t understand why they prep for the apocalypse. I guess they’re all prepping for the violence beforehand. The goal is still to get raptured, right?
The section on the Branch Davidians was quite inaccurate and just apes the ATF and FBI’s face-saving narratives about the siege. They weren’t illegally stockpiling guns, they sold guns and ammo legitimately as a way to raise money for themselves, and it was the ATF that claimed without any real evidence that they were doing anything illegal. Just suspicion. And it’s not like a couple agents walked up with a warrant and asked polite but firmly if they could inspect the premises, dozens of agents rolled up in full battle gear and did everything possible to escalate the situation.
If you want a good video to watch to learn more about Waco I would suggest the videos from The Lore Lodge and Wendigoon. And side note: The people in Jones Town knew EXACTLY what they were drinking when they drank the Kool-aid. Jones had pulled several practice runs with this, telling them that the Kool-aid was poisoned and for them to drink it and when they did he passed it off as a loyalty test. The Lore Lodge and Wendigoon have videos about Jones Town too, I highly recommend.
Like this comment to join my cult. Don't worry, you will be safe.
Naw I’m good
Only if the other leaders are Fat Electrician and Habitual LineCrosser
@@Fan_Of_Things6876it is inevitable my child ;-;
It will be done grand maestro
I heed the call.
We shall all wear Nice Hats.
You are right about Heaven's Gate. They were the ones that killed themselves when the Hale-Bopp comet reached its closest approach because they thought their space ship was there. I remember when the Jonestown mass suicide quite well. We watched the breaking news on television and were completely horrified. I was only about 11 and it really had a major impact on how I viewed organized religion going forward. My poor younger brother was so traumatized that when we had a school ice cream social a few days after the news about Jonestown broke, one of the teachers tried to give him kool-aid and he totally freaked out. Can't say I blamed him, either.
There was a story in the news that Heavens Gate members had bought a really nice telescope when the comet got close and returned it when they didn't see the UFO following it
I also remember they put purple triangles on their faces for some reason. Can't remember why they thought that would help, but it was a brainsick cult so there might not have been a Why.
I also remember reading somewhere that investigators concluded that not all members had died willingly, had been "helped" by the others and the triangle placed posthumously so they wouldn't "miss out" on the ascendancy.
I'm 53 years old and I was 8 years old when jonestown happened I still don't drink anything Kool aid but it was flavor Ade that Jim Jones used not Kool aid
I shouldn’t laugh, but “space ship” got me. I pictured a cartoon saucer. That contrasting with the bleakness of all of this made me laugh
Y2K was a legit technical issue. It was (mostly) dealt with ahead of time so it became a non-issue. That didn't stop some people from thinking crazy things.
Came in here to say the same thing. It was so well handled that most people now think that it was always a nonissue, not realizing how much work was done on a global scale to ensure that nothing bad happened.
Certain operating systems only had two digits to represent a year in there code which would cause a stack overflow at the turn of the year to 2000 (simplifying this immensely) now some people didn't understand the real technology problem made it a psudeo religious thing.
This was probably overstated, very little technology that would fail was critical, some systems did fail, I think there were a few scheduling issues with booking systems and the like as they crashed but most sofiaticated companies had upgraded to systems that did not have that issue, it was actually something of a cottage industry, and a bit of a scam since many systems that wouldn't have had an issue upgraded due to slick salesman convincing them that their old systems were going to somehow kill their entire company.
I also came down to bring this up. But yeah millions were spent globally to patch code and stuff over a short time leading up to it and even then there were some small issues in a few places.
Yeah, I remember that.
Was young enough I wasn't sure Y2K was ligament. However, at least in my community it seemed quite a mainstream belief.
As one of the programmers who spent 2 years rewriting code so that when it became 2000 the computers didnt think it was 1900 I hate it when people laugh like this was a fake issue. It was very real. Oh: BTW: there is a LINUX issue that will hit in 2035 since LINUX counts time in milliseconds from 1970. This is being fixed in newer machines but lots of places never patch/upgrade/buy new hardware.
You can tell Good enough is rising because people are STARVING for Sam O’Nella content and this guy has nearly taken over that role and filled that niche.
I'm actually surprised the Mason Family didn't get a mention. On a side note I couldn't imagine the headache a company received when a mass suicide was attributed to your product in popular culture when the product used to commit suicide was actually your competitors (Flavor Aid was used.)
Seriously, I thought the Manson family would be at the top. They were basically just a cult of serial killers. Although there is some question as to whether or not Manson himself believed any of it
The fact that Kool-Aid is still going strong, says something about the marketing team, or just it was a great brand it was cheap and kids loved it. Definitely going to dig into some research on the aftermath of jonestown on Kool-Aid
Hi Mr Terry and greetings from the UK.
I am a Data Engineer and Analyst so if helpful I will explain Y2K.
The Y2K problem stemmed from the common practice of representing years with only the last two digits. For example, the year 1998 was stored as "98." As the year 2000 approached, systems that were not Y2K compliant could misinterpret "00" as 1900 instead of 2000. This occurred because the system might assume that "00" represents the year 1900 since it follows the pattern of two-digit years.
For instance, if a system calculated the difference between two dates and encountered "00," it might incorrectly deduce that the date is in the 1900s instead of the 2000s, leading to potential errors in calculations, data processing, and other system functions. To avoid these issues, organizations had to update and modify their systems to handle four-digit year representations, ensuring accurate date processing.
The transition from using two-digit representations for the year (e.g., "98" for 1998) to a four-digit format (e.g., "1998"). This shift allowed systems to distinguish between the years in the 1900s and 2000s.
It was overblown and ideas of nukes going was speculative at best but computer development was already working to counter the issue. It was just a pain for most as people had to update their code, backlogged their old data when transitioning to new etc.
Interesting.
I really thought it was an entirely misconceived concern that computers couldn’t handle the first digit (of 4) going from a 1 to a 2. Which should never have been an issue unless someone had coded a specific system to specifically not allow that.
I had an ancient Windows computer. Whatever came before Windows95. All that happened was the Calender year reset to a year in the early 90s, like 93... I think.
Good explanation. I'll add more context for anyone curious why would anyone code that in the first place.
Data storage was precious at the beginning of the digital era. Programmers would frequently remove repetitive information to save space (like the "19" from every date stored in the database up to that point).
[More in depth info; computers store data in binary. To store numbers 0-99 you need 7 bits, to store say 0-9999 you need 14 bits. In a database with millions of records the difference starts to add up. Note1: this math doesn't include negative numbers. Note2: Programs today tend to use powers of 2 (2, 4, 8, 16, 32...) for more consistent performance, rather than size optimization.]
This issue was identified long before 1999. Basically all new software launched in 1999 was compliant, and old critical software received updates in advance.
This was simply a solution developed for the limited technology of the time, that only got changed once we got close to the limit. There are many other examples of this happening. One would be the filename length limit in FAT16 systems (Windows up to 95). It used to be 8 characters long, with 3 characters for the extension. A better example is the Internet Protocol, or IP addresses. The internet transitioned from IPv4 (32 bits) to IPv6 (128 bits) when we started running out of IP addresses to use.
It wasn't really overblown. There was more to the issue than just mistaking "00" for 1900. The more critical issue was memory allocation. This was incrementing 99 to 100 as character storage, so 2 bytes were allocated to storing the number. When it rolls over to 100, those 2 bytes are still storing "00", but there is now a 3rd byte.
So, for an oversimplified example, let's say you store an autopilot's altitude in feet and the value is "|29000|" (29,000 feet), then you store the date "|99|12|31|" (1999, Dec 31). So that's "|29000|99|12|31|". Now we switch to the next day and you are storing "2|90001|00|01|01|" - so an extraneous 2 it doesn't know what to do with, altitude of 90,001 feet, and date of 1900, Jan 1. So the autopilot starts trying to descend from 29,000 feet to negative 61,001 feet and planes aren't known for doing well 61,001 feet below ground.
And the reality is, we don't know for certain what would happen for every system because memory allocation isn't always tightly controlled, with some systems allocating it as needed so the allocation may have caused a trivial issue on one test and a fatal issue on another. There were systems that totally crashed when testing setting the clocks forward - including a nuclear plant in Pennsylvania that was shut down for hours when they accidentally tested on a live system in 1999.
Part of the problem with perception is that there was very little reporting of the fixes. The military and aviation systems that were widely circulated as the worst risks of the Y2k bug were, for obvious reasons, the first ones fixed. And nearly all critical systems worldwide and most non-critical systems were fixed before December of 1999. But the public generally wasn't told that. They were left with news media breathlessly reporting old news about the risks as if it were current right up until January 1.
It’s amazing how much space two characters (19) really took up back then. Even Capcom with the Pokémon games used shorthand to save space
I’m studying psychology and you’re absolutely right about how interesting cults are (albeit horrifying and morbid). Fear is such a powerful tool that can just literally rule your entire life. Insane stuff.
Y2K could have been very problematic if it wasn't detected early enough for everyone to adapt. Humanity getting together to solve a potential problem is one of the "up with human" feathers in humanity's cap.
The Wendigoon has a great documentary on Waco
This. Waco was and still is wild. One of the best examples of @Wendigoon ‘s most accurate line, “If you think the federal government wouldn’t do that- yes they would!”
@@natediederich8979never underestimate the incompetence, ego and malevolence of the bureaucrats who really are the most powerful people in the world.
I was thinking there is too much in the WACO story to be just in the little shorts list.
During the last day of Jones Town, Jones demanded his followers to drink and when dozens refused h good drink and attempted to flee but Jones’s army, the same one that ambushed the leaving politician, was ordered to kill anyone that resisted or attempted to flee. Loads of moms died trying to save their kids but they all died one way or another, it’s horrific when you start reading about it.
In the defense of the Y2K thing, computers used to be programmed as 19xx for the year. That means that as soon as the year changed to 2000 the computers would think that it was 1900. Can you imagine having all banks have their accounts revert to the amount of money recorded on those computers for a year that existed before modern computers were invented? The Y2K problem was fixed before it became an actual problem.
Or airplane schedules messing up.
What's wild is that Aum Shinrikyo Is still a thing, it split into two and the believers of Shoko Asahara went underground.
whats wild also is they bought ex soviet attack helicopter/ chemical wepaons and made there own ak47 manufacturing plant
@@davidkertai7430 Yea wasn't their plan to kill the imperial family and kickstart WW3 or something insane like that?
They were planning a full coup of the Japanese government. From what I remember, some defectors tried to warn the government that the cult was dangerous and violating a ton of important laws, but they were ignored, and some disappeared to never be seen again. It was only after an attempted mail bomb on their president and the failed subway attacks meant to wipe out the entire Japanese Diet so they could take over that the Japanese government took them seriously.
Turns out there was a survivor of the Heaven's Gate cult. The SWAT officers found him hiding under the sink behind the Comet.
To be fair, @mrterry Y2K did actually have some issues. It wasn't as catastrophic as some thought it would be...but computers that didn't have their BIOS updated to use a 4 digit year. Some older systems used a 2 digit year. There were reports of some new auto registrations being sent out before it was caught that showed car registrations in 1900.
"Sir are you a time traveler?"
"Whut"
" why does your ford escape show as being from 1900....?"
To quote, "Convince the little man. He'll hunt your enemies, he'll burn your witches and he'll do it with a smile if he thinks it's right"
I have no idea how good the NYE 2000 party was, because I was at work until 3AM, as I was in charge of our company's Y2K compliance process. We'd re-written all of our accounting, payroll, scheduling, and data security programs, plus a few other things I can't recall at the moment, and I had to go through everything and make sure it was functioning properly.
No idea what they thought I'd do if anything was broken, because I can't write COBOL or FORTRAN.
The Millennium Bug thing wasn't a fringe thing, at least in Italy. All major newspapers discussed it at lenght, it was on the main news channel and taken seriously etc. Not as a doomsday event of course but a risk of transportation/hospitals/etc systemts not working anymore. Apparently Microsoft and co. released patches for the operating systems or something like that.
8:19 Immanentizing the Eschaton seems to be really popular with doomsday cults. PROTIP: Don't immanentize the Eschaton!
I’m surprised that “Love has won” didn’t make the cut. That one was led by a female leader and she travelled to Maui and Kauai. I vaguely remembered the YTK thing and I didn’t really care, I was a child then and my parents just shrugged and laughed at that, there are times that my parents would randomly bring that up too and call those ppl “dumb.”
You are correct on heavens gate.
A few of them are still alive today. They still run the website.
As I recall, two people were *chosen* to live so that they could update the website. They consider it to be a great sacrifice.
The Manson followers were also trying to precipitate the end.
That jonestown one really kind of makes you wonder what would’ve happened had they not killed the investigators.
The art style is HIDEOUS AND I LOVE IT!
It's astounding how many groups try to escape the end of the world and dying by . . . umm. . . dying.??
As a friend of mine once said to conquer death you only have to die
The child abuse was produced after the siege was over. Ironically, the whole thing could have been avoided; Korish was known to jog away from the compound daily. The ATF could have easily just picked him up. It was suggested that the ATF had planned this about time that the federal department funding was to be assigned, and they felt they needed a big arrest for increased funding. Point in the child abuse side: ATF covers violations of gun, alcohol, tobacco and explosive laws, there's nothing on child abuse there.
The allegations were first claimed before the attack but were investigated, members were charged, and cases subsequently fell apart while in Texas court. The original charge was from a former rival of Koresh's control over the cult and hated him to such a degree he was committed for killing a man for mentioning his name. The initial charge that led to the raid was the production of explosive devices but shifted to the previous allegations as the standoff dragged on and it was becoming harder to maintain public support. But the whole thing could have been resolved far sooner. The compound had an open door policy and the feds were invited in to observe their gunsmithing business but refused so they could skulk around across the street.
ATF also go after military grade explosives owned by civilians. Koresh had a crate of hand grenades delivered to the compound, along with several more crates of supplies to build around a hundred more grenades.
@@seanrosenau2088 They sold novelty desk ornaments that read "If there is a problem, take a number," the number hanging off the pin of an inactive grenade. And considering they were registered gunsmiths, the supplies are not to be unexpected.
I am highly suspicious of anyone who tries to give an "alternative history" of Waco. White supremacists and anti-government groups like sovereign citizens use it to justify violence like the Oklahoma City bombing. You don't provide a single source, I am not following you down the conspiracy rabbit hole.
Yes, the Y2K problem was a serious issue that cost many industries and government a lot of money to resolve. It was because when most programs were originally developed, they used a two-digits value to represent the year to save space because memory was very limited and costly. The base problem would be that 1999 would be presented by 99 and 2000 would be represented by 00. Also depending how the number is represented in code, this could turn the year into a negative value. It is a similar problem when video games like Donkey Kong roll over their score or level count. It was a true historic event.
Regarding Y2K: there was an actual issue with the programming of dates to save space back then (yes kids, a GIGABYTE was huge back then).
2000 had a lot of doomsday stuff: computers, millennium, etc
Massively important note for the Branch Davidian one. The weapons they owned were fully legally owned because they sold them. They had legal certificates to sell firearms. And they even invited federal agents to check them, which was ignored
The channel fundie fridays is also great. They cover extreme stuff like this as well.
5:26-9:03
That’s the cult that pissed-off Hideaki Anno since it disrupted storyboarding schedule which inadvertently change the course of anime history.
To add on to the Y2K problem, data storage is really limited at that time. Imagine an boarder control systems where thousands of people comes and go. A number from 0-9 requires 4 extra bits and 2 of them (for the first two digit in a year) means 8 extra bits per record (or 1 byte). Imagine per record you need to log the entry time, exit time, and record creation time. Thats 3 bytes per record. Now imagine expecting to store 10 millions of these records. That would be 30MB. This may sound trivial with todays technology, but back in the 80s a 5MB harddisk can cost about 40,000 USD at the time, which is about 150,000 USD today. As you can see why it is sort of a standard for programs to omit the first two digits of a year and just assume its 19XX.
Now you may think that in the 90s to 00s harddisks has become cheaper and bigger (About 50GB) so why is this still a problem. The answer lies in legacy programs. Nobody wants to risk anything altering something that has been written a decade ago, especially for banks and stuff. Sure most. of the newer stuff is already "Y2K" compatible, but not the old ones. This trigger a huge chain of events where systems all around the globe, including critical ones such as banks (imagine trying to calculate the interest on a loan you took in 1998 for the year 1900), power grid management, airlines etc, to be updated to be y2k compliant.
It is incredible how most of them managed to successfully migrate without huge hiccups.
24:58 blud on the bottom right accessed super saiyan 2 lmao.
Applewhite's infamous broadcast is my nightmare fuel. There's something so uncanny about the way he speaks and just stares at the camera like Charles Manson in any of his in-jail interviews.
Not bad, but not the new Sam o'nella
Love the history aspect of your videos 👍
Hi, I just wanted to say I totallyy can relate on wondering about the psyhological iceberg behind how and why cults continue to exist.
And yes, the "apologies" after set doomsdays just passed by magically doomless.
I remember when the hale-bob comet came by. I didn't know until later the the Heavens Gate cult thing happened until later. I was sheltered as a child until was in middle school.
Mr. Terry should watch Wendigoon + The Official Podcast with Moist Critical Charlie and host Jackson on Ruby Ridge and Waco events.
I was going to leave a comment about why eunuchs were trusted, but then I remembered that Mr. Terry taught me that 😂 I hit play knowing he would explain it
The comet in the '90s was the Hale-Bopp comet, and yeah, it was Heaven's Gate.
There is quite an irony for any doomsday cult that arises from Jewish or Christian roots since their mere existence means they have to ignore two major biblical teachings. Namely:
1. If a supposed prophet's predictions do not happen as described, then they are not a prophet.
2. No one but God knows when the end of the world will happen.
I'm surprised that the cult of Magdalena Solis isn't on that list.
It's almost like believing in nonsense can make you do stupid things
Man, this guy is spreading some weird misconceptions. The People in Jonestown knew the brew was poisoned. Maybe not right away since they had several "practice sessions" where the brew wasn't poisoned and they may have thought this was another practice. But they definitely knew it was bad when the children (made to drink first, many with needle free syringes) started screaming. One woman tried to stand up to Jones and ask that at least the children be spared, but he was caught up in this dream or spiel of his that what awaited them from the US government would be "many times worse than death". To some extent I think he just wanted everyone else to go with him because he knew that he was screwed once the defectors started telling their stories. Frigging egomaniac wanted an entourage with him into death.
I listened to the tapes it is horrifying.
I remember all the school computers with the yellow "y2k compliant" stickers. I thought it was ridiculous, as a 15 year old. I do remember that fire in the church being in the news. Sad story, however i do remember it.
Their artwork is giving hardcore David Firth vibes and I am here for it 😂
That being said, I understand why but there's some pretty (I think) noteworthy context missing from some of these descriptions. Like how, say, Jonestown was ridic underdeveloped prior to Jones' and the other members' arrival, which is why they were essentially put to slave work. Also, Jones held consistent mock s*****e's so that is why a LOT of the people who passed that day were unsuspecting. Jones also recorded audio of the whole thing, including taking his own life.
Also, I guess I get why it's left out but I think it's an important missed opportunity to talk about the history of Number 3, whose name I always forget, that began essentially by ploy of a "minor attracted person" to gain ritualistic "right" to... children, after convincing people they were the "true descendants of the Knights Templar," which is WILD.
Wow! As quickly as the original page caught on and the surprising number of views garnered in such short time would almost consider the page a cult in itself!
There are actually 2 Heaven's Gate members left... ordered to stay behind to maintain the cult's website.
Anyone remember the Nike commercial with Heaven's Gate. It's messed up, but pretty damn funny.
So the people in Jonestown didn't know the flavoraid would kill them? I didn't realize that
To be fair, Jim Jones wasn't exactly a communist, but rather what he called "apostolic socialist", which it was a form of Christian Socialism, and this is a important difference, because christian socialism was way less about Marx and Engels and their theory, and more about Jesus not liking the rich and seeing the rich as sinners
Yeah the video was very interesting to learn how terrifying they are/where
It's kind of a shame that the whole "standoff with the United States government" part of Jonestown was left out of this. Great vid though as always!
Thanks Toke!
In a lot of computer systems y2k was a real problem, but it was solved so well that everyone thinks it was a false alarm. Tangentially, I worked on rocket engine test software that would crash if you ran a test over midnight on new years. But the company was always on holiday leave during that time, so it was never addressed....
There is another channel using stick figures that uses the same content in a few examples, like the worst tortures in history and worst punishments in history, since back then punishment was often torture. Im not sure whats up with the shared content thing between different channels unless its the same team.
I was kind of disappointed with the original video for not mentioning the comet. Good on you for remembering that. (They put their poison in apple sauce btw, if I'm not misremembering.)
Paramount+ has a great miniseries based on the Waco siege. It does a good job balancing perspectives. The Branch Davidians felt like they were being targeted for crimes they didn't commit, the ATF felt like they needed a big public win after Ruby Ridge, and later the FBI would have its own internal conflict between the aggressive HRT unit and the pacifistic hostage negotiators. Long story short, Koresh was a narcissistic pedophile who truly believed he knew what was best, his followers believed they were just being good Christians and loyal followers stuck in a bad situation, the government believed they were violent radicals, and the media sensationalized them as a doomsday cult.
I recommend checking out the channel Thus Spoke Haven and his video series on the history of philosophy. It's also in a similar style to Sam O'Nella.
Thanks for the rec!
Eunuchs are either high level government advisers(eastern Eunuchs) or High level male servants of the Female Quarters(western eunuchs). A common misconception is the castration of Eunuchs which was only done west of the Himalayas for the servants of the Female Quarters. Not necessary for the Chinese Eunuchs who were government advisers. Were there some who were/weren't in the opposite camp, Possibly, but if one was caught being in one state or the other it did cause issues and scandals depending on the Eunuchs role.
It was Flavor Aid. Pretty much a knockoff Kool-aid
I do wonder what would happen if a doomsday cult said "The end of the world will be such and such a date" and then by random coincidence a nuclear war or something happens on that exact day.
Saying that any yoga class is a gateway to a cult is like saying that any church is a gateway to a cult since the 1st cult discussed here starts in a Christian church.
Justice for Flavor-aid
People have been saying the world was about to end since day one.
No mention of Charles Manson.. how many members do you need to graduate from 'family' to 'cult'? 🤔
I’m shocked Manson didn’t make the list
Hey Mr Terry, Can I suggest you do a video about the Yugoslav wars? I think that would be really interesting, Thank you!
I know this is a cursory video that's just supposed to scratch the surface, but I'm surprised at some of the stuff they left out like the comment thing for heaven's gate which is kind of very well needed to be in the discussion even if it is a surface level discussion there's a few other things too but that's the one that stands out the most
The thing about Y2K is that it would have affected banks, which would have been massive. The issue with the dates was that they were coded in a way that the 19 part was just static, and from 99 it would roll over to 1900, and the bank systems would have a lot of issues regarding that. It's a big impact, sure, but it wouldn't have been the massive doomsday people made it out to be.
I went on a date with a girl and when i got home she was trying to get me to join her doomsday cult. I was like nope and blocked her everywhere
Funny thing is, the new millennium didn't technically hit until 2001.
The first millennium was year 1-1000
The seconde being 1001-2000
Third (current) 2001-3000
Fourth will be 3001-4000
Etc
Yes you are right this heavens gate cult was related to the Hale-Bopp comet and yes also the same cult that were all dressed the same in the nike suits.
White Nike shoes & white robes...not full Nike suits
@@justinchastant9246 that's right it was the shoes thanks.
Father Grigori should've been in here 😞
Man this does NOT do Waco justice, that whole shitfest still makes me angry
Nothing against organized religion, I myself identify as a Satanist. But it's weird to me that religious people can look at these people who start cults and think "Wow these guys are insane," but don't have the hindsight to look at Abraham, or Moses, so on, and consider that these "prophets" might just be insane
Why would you be a satanist? So you either are a real worshipper of the spirit of evil itself, or you are an atheist hedonist who needlessly calls himself satanist. Why, man?
Something a lot of people seem ignorant of or "conveniently" leave out. It's stated that not even God knows when Judgement Day will occur. It's at HIS decision, not ours.
Also, I'm surprised Scientology isn't on the list.
Listen to the Jonestown tape.
What number of followers to you have to reach to cease being a cult and start being a religion?
Asking for a friend.
The BITE model
Behavior
Information
Thoughts
Emotion
You should check out the channel from cults to consciousness
The apocalypse is near...................for real this time 😂
If the world is ending, what is the logic behind being safe in a cave?
I think the rational among us are currently fascinated with cults due to our unfortunate government.
So, like... Why does the regular workforce retirement age not apply to said body of leaders? I just don't get it.
Shadow clone jutsu lol
Not going to lie, don't really see the appeal of the OC creator. His jokes are the obvious ones, his story telling has the cadence of a nervous middle schooler, and his content was pretty shallow. To not bring up the comet on heaven's gate is sad given that's what got most of the media attention. Maybe I'm just not the target audience lol
Thanks for making it better Mr. Terry
So you were right about one of these groups having to do with Haileys Comet... that was Heavens Gate...they believed that by dying on that day they could ascend to the UFO that tailed the comet...
I don’t understand why they prep for the apocalypse. I guess they’re all prepping for the violence beforehand. The goal is still to get raptured, right?
I believe so
Would you consider the catholic church to be a cultist group? What defines a cult anyway?
Honorable mention: Swifties
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Nah. Should be #1
also: kanye west fans
Jim Jones was a United Methodist Reverend that led his members to drink the coolaid in Jonestown
no
The section on the Branch Davidians was quite inaccurate and just apes the ATF and FBI’s face-saving narratives about the siege. They weren’t illegally stockpiling guns, they sold guns and ammo legitimately as a way to raise money for themselves, and it was the ATF that claimed without any real evidence that they were doing anything illegal. Just suspicion.
And it’s not like a couple agents walked up with a warrant and asked polite but firmly if they could inspect the premises, dozens of agents rolled up in full battle gear and did everything possible to escalate the situation.
Yea, but the coolest cult is still Eden's Gate... Long live Joseph Seed
But he was just Koreshwith a man-bun.
@@Emigdiosback Except Joseph Seed was right all along
Just call it natural selection xD
Cults = Religion and vice versa
"You are more likely to be in a cult than you are to be a communist back then" made me laugh so hard
Well, the funny thing is communism follows the five things to look for to see if you're in a cult....
@@Shinzon23 yeah? What are these "five things" to look for in a cult and according to whom?
If you want a good video to watch to learn more about Waco I would suggest the videos from The Lore Lodge and Wendigoon.
And side note: The people in Jones Town knew EXACTLY what they were drinking when they drank the Kool-aid. Jones had pulled several practice runs with this, telling them that the Kool-aid was poisoned and for them to drink it and when they did he passed it off as a loyalty test. The Lore Lodge and Wendigoon have videos about Jones Town too, I highly recommend.
You're watching all the videos I recently watched, which one of us is the weird one?
They skipped the successful cults though