That church’s lead elder needs to make a public statement to squash ALL the misinformation that is circulating- I am sure the congregation has asked multiple questions also
@@James-tl2tq Right. Honestly, I am very disappointed in Steve. You have many followers who look up to you. There has been no letter, video, etc. from him since the incident. We don’t need heavy details. I think it would have been helpful to just give a brief statement about confession, repentance, needed prayer, etc. To go silent since the situation is a bit disheartening. I sympathize with him and understand the pain he is going through personally, but some communication from him would have been so helpful.
@@Pastor_GrantGreat point. Does anyone else find it odd that we're being told to be patient and let Trinity handle among themselves, but...most of what we do know has come not from Trinity, but from Phil Johnson? Phil Johnson is not an elder at Trinity but he seems to know what's going on...
I appreciate the work of G3. However, why has Trinity Bible not come forward with a statement of their own clarifying that he is a member following many reports to the contrary? That would nip this in the bud. This makes no sense.
They are a church family and they have to protect themselves. It’s not a matter of clarifying the facts, it’s what it is wise to do at this point. Let us make clear, we, the ones watching this kind of videos and statements, don’t have all the facts. The call is for us not to be so quick to judge and condemn.
Their defense is that Steve Lawson was never even an official pastor of the church. Only a "guest pastor", therefore they dont feel obligated to make a statement. Very shameful
I appreciate this announcement. It doesn't need to go any further than this. Steve Lawson has been removed from ministry and we need to pray for him and his family.
Of course pray for him, his wife, the young lady he was involved with...and that he believes scripture & is no longer a purveyor of Calvin's Institutes.
@@mikelyons2831 I noticed the last part of your comment was a dig at reformed theology. No offense, but that's petty. There are plenty of Christian leaders who are not reformed who have done grievous sexual sins, but would you comment on their theological stance as well? I doubt that you would. Using Steve Lawson's fall as a springboard to attack reformed theology shows what's really gnawing at you inside. If you disagree with reformed theology, then bring an open Bible and a prayerful heart and show based on the content, context, and grammar of scripture why it is incorrect. The Word of God is our guide (2 Timothy 3:16-17, John 17:17). Without it, you'll resort to little jabs that are out of place in this situation. I pray you check your heart.
I 100% disagree guess the real question I have is , " Where you as picky with Steve Lawson's personal saniftifcation as you guy s are with Bill Johnson's Teaching? If the answer is yes, the the question is then someone must have raised an eyebrow over the course of five years. How can the guy be away from this family so often and no one including a discerment ministry like g3 not ask if that is good for his marriage? If the answer is no, I think you owe an apology for caring more about other ministries are doing at your ministries integrity. How can I trust your opinion that these guys over here, are heretics, when you couldn't see the evil in your own eye? All I am looking for is an apology that would make me trust the ministry again
You stated this ''The facts are clear-Steven Lawson and his wife are members of Trinity Bible Church. We have verified this information from two sources within Trinity Bible Church.'' - then do you have confirmation that the elders at Trinity Bible Church is currently going through church discipline with Steve Lawson? also what's the elders justification for having someone as a regular Lead Preacher but not a pastor nor an elder? does it not sound strange to you?
Lawson, Platt, Driscoll, McDonald, others don’t want the “burden” of personally shepherding people or the accountability from internal and empowered elders. They want the large platform of a mega church and to be able to speak at outside events, travel, write books, and be celebrities at conferences. It’s inhuman. No one has that much time or energy or is that good. Something gives way. You can only sacrifice your wife, your kids, your sleep, accountability, your integrity so many times before an inevitable crash. This system of promoting celebrity super pastors is unhinged and unbiblical.
@victoriazhao - excellent questions and ones that should have been addressed in this video. This felt a little too scripted and boilerplate to me. Praying for the members of Trinity Bible church that God would bring them leaders with discernment and true shepherds for their flock.
@@gtf5392It's a statement, it's meant to _sound_ scripted because it is. It did what it was suppose to do, which is to clarify their position, update and inform.
Prayers for Steven Lawson and his family and for this woman as well. Thank GOD for conviction of sin and for HIS abundant Grace & Mercy. Prayers for true repentance and restoration unto GOD.
Can you please explain how Steve Lawson being a church member in any way changed G3's responsibility if you didn't know prior anyway? What was the point of bringing this up? If he was paid to preach sermons (without being a pastor), but was also a member, that is even worse in my opinion. That means he was paid as a celebrity within the church, and was not just a preacher for hire from the outside. If you're being paid to congregate with other believers, is that not a massive blunder? I think this announcement would have been more respectable without bringing up that point, because it comes off as damage control, as if somehow him being an actual member of Trinity Bible church makes G3 look better? Furthermore, you're claiming you had to do fact checking to find out if Steve was a member, which makes it a completely moot point. So even if he wasn't a member, it's admitting you didn't know. So why bring it up at all? This comes across as wrangling over words. This also brings up the issue of parachurch organizations. So basically, whatever issue that comes up, you can just disown someone, and then claim it's some churches responsibility to deal with. Is this not dangerous spiritually? G3 acts as a defacto church because you teach doctrine. Who can hold YOU all accountable? Can we the church people, if I get signatures from 1,000 other church elders across the world? Prove that you're not above the church. Who has the authority to rebuke you, require changes or force closure?
@@jeffdowns1038 Hey Jeff. If a proclaiming Christian organization teaches doctrine, they should not be above church rebuke. G3 in this video claimed they are not above the church. So I'm asking for specific details, to which extent the universal body of Christ has over their activities. I am withholding judgement until they release the metrics for accountability (was not provided in this video) . That was the context of my comment you're referring to. So if they have set up their own accountability structure, then they operate as a de facto church, in contradiction to what was stated. Again, I withhold judgement until they respond with their criteria for the specifics of how they are beholden to broader church authority. EDIT: I could have worded that sentence better, so thanks for brining it up.
What you are expecting is unrealistic. I'm also wary of all those ministries out there, but even the Bible makes it clear scandals will happen. They are inevitable. There's no regulations, bureaucracy or extra biblical requirements that will fix that. If much, we should be praying more so that God reveals sin. I also think you may be mixing up things here. Where in the Bible it's said that teaching doctrine makes you a church or that teaching doctrine can only be done when approved by a local church? Of course it's good that everyone is in good standing with a church, but what if many pastors who have a good testimony gather themselves to encourage other pastors? Weren't many people in the NT sent to cooperate with Paul or teach other churches?
Agreed. But these dudes also defend Doug Wilson as a brother. They lost all credibility with me when I realized that. The reformed world needs a DEEP cleansing!
Regarding Steve’s non membership at Trinity, although you are a credible source to say you fact checked and found he was a member, we need you to specify your facts. Trinity has a vested interest in asserting he was a member.
I called Trinity Bible Church this summer and the woman on the phone was very adamant that Steven Lawson wasn't an elder, but in some type of teacher only position. I thought that was very odd.
We have conflicting info, the podcast where this was released said they confirmed by two / three witnesses. Is it possible Lawson was not truthful with Josh?
@@ScottAniol who gave that info? And why didn't Trinity just come out with a statement when the podcast and article when public and say, "No that's incorrect, the Lawsons are/were members."
How exactly did you verify and have documented proof that Lawson and his wife were in fact members of TBC? There are reports that TBC hasn’t a formal membership process… these varying reports from “credible sources” are very confusing. Praying for the Lord to provide clarity and wisdom. 🙏🏻
Pastors should get more prayer as they are the leader of the church and are not only under attack more, but also need more help when helping so many other people.
I agree about the danger of "church celebrities." But pastors in general do need more prayer/support than the average church attender. They are more open to spiritual attack and just personal falling into sin because of their high profile position. The enemy also knows that they influence others, so they love to attack leaders. (I need to pray more often for my own pastor!)
Thank you Josh. Well-stated and helpful to clear the air on this part of the issue. It was good to hear Steve has accountability. We should all pray that his heart will turn toward repentance.
This is the only type of announcement that needs to be done. I haven’t actively followed the aftermath of Steven Lawson’s sin. But, I would say unequivocally that some people…even professing Christians…have stayed glued to the I-Net just for all the “juicy tid bits”. I listened to a lot of Lawson’s teachings on Ligonier Ministries (I remember the controversy with Sproul Jr. years ago) and thoroughly enjoyed them. I have prayed for Lawson, the families involved, and the churches involved. As was correctly explained we’re all susceptible to a fall, keeping in mind what the Apostle Paul admonished of taking heed that we will stand lest we fall.
Amen brother. This internet “Christians” love this type of content. That’s why I decided to try my best to stay away from it , it doesn’t help us at all to grow . What help us grow is grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If we just have our minds set on this subjects of a brothers fall we fall in sin too. We should all continue praying for one another.
@@Completeincristo💯. Like ambulance chasers. They lift themselves up like this could not happen to them or their ministry/church. Remember, only Jesus knew who Judas truly was.
@@GiaGirlism a State Trooper I know and worked with for almost two years was arrested back in August on federal cocaine trafficking charges, even in his assigned police car. I never would have thunk it.
Wise words. We are admonished to think on “these things:” 8 whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praiseworthy. Except during the deeply serious work of church discipline [which WAS done biblically by TBC elders, no mature Christian should be seeking, hungering for “more details” of such grievous sin.
Thank you so much for this measured and Biblical response. I feel you've addressed this issue very well, and clarified questions that people may have. Definitely praying for Steve and his family, and also for those who have been hurt by this sin.
Steve Lawson is 73 years old. He must have a history. Has he been a successful pastor of a local church? How many? What is his educational background? What qualified him to be honored by Ligonier, G3 Ministries, or Dean of the D.Min. program at the Master's Seminary? What qualified him to sit on Lord knows how many panels with distinguished theologians? Was he really vetted? He got where he was because he was elevated by good men who did not exercise discernment. He sang the same theological song as these men, and they said, "Come join the choir." And the body is suffering for it.
It is very sad, and because he has not come forward as of yet is disappointing. I pray Mr. Lawson will repent and turn from his sin, and I pray his wife and family will find their peace an comfort through Christ our Lord.
This came from Trinity Bible. Perhaps they need to be straight with the Church and be honest about what Steve Lawson did, the woman involved, and if he has repented. He was a public leader in the faith and the Church needs to know truth. It would surely stop the rumor mill they have helped create.
As believers including Mr. Lawson, no one is beyond the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ when we stumble and fall, I pray he and his wife go through the necessary biblical counseling to restore their marriage and lives, he may never be qualified to pastor a church, but as long as his faith is in Jesus Christ he is still a member of the body of Christ. If God can restore King David, He can restore anyone, yes, David suffered the consequences of his action, but God didn't give up on him, I wish both Steven and his wife all the best.
I don't know anyone on here who is condemning Mr. Lawson. They all believe in praying for him, his wife, and the young lady involved, as well as the church where he preached. The conversation is about the church leadership and their responsibility, not just to church members but those outside the church since they permitted him to have a voice beyond their walls and was profiting from it.
All of the Reformed/Calvinistic conferences are platforms for idols. It is sad that these men are so revered. They sit on the stage and quote Calvin almost as much as they do Scripture. They laugh when one of them denigrates a “non-Calvinist.” It is pathetic. What’s more pathetic, is G3 is just now addressing this.
Does anyone know if anyone has had contact with Steve? Pastor MacArthur oSinclair Ferguson or anyone? These bits of info lead me to believe that none of his friends have had any contact with him. Has he cut everyone off?
The woman needs to be exposed as well. From my understanding, it was a mutual and consensual relationship. She too knew what she was doing and also needs to be held accountable.
Hello G3 & Josh Buice. I love you, Josh, & your ministry. Thus, I want to clarify one thing : I recall Carl Hargrove saying on Twitter that he checked TWICE with others & confirmed that he was not a member, so did Pastor Derek Brown & Cliff McManis, who themselves verified this with Trinity Bible Church itself & claimed these facts as being supported by the evidence of two or three witnesses. I'm confused. Would you clarify this?
We have verified this information from multiple sources within Trinity Bible Church. We direct all inquiries to Trinity Bible Church. I believe Hargrove's comment was regarding the fact that Lawson was not an elder.
@@ScottAniolThanks for clarifying Scott! I appreciate your and G3's ministry. I actually was able to meet you at the Reformation conference in Dallas this year. Thanks for all you do. But, brother, I'm curious to get your insights about something. We are being told to be patient to allow Trinity to handle this internally and that part of the reason more has not been said is because if repentance does come, it would be preferable not to shame the man with needless details. However, most of what is known publicly has come from Phil Johnson's social media. Phil Johnson is not at Trinity, so how could it be that information is being given out to some outside of Trinity, but not being stated publicly...until it leaks out on social media? Can you see my confusion? Thank you brother! I know this whole thing is terribly burdensome to discuss, so thanks for offering any help on that. 🙏
I so respect the correct and transparent response from G3. I pray for Steve Lawson’s repentance and for the hearts of all those who’ve been affected. Sin leaves a wake of destruction. Jesus can bind our wounds.
Why is this thing still so cloak and dagger? Tell the church exactly what happened like Paul did in 1 Corinthians. Do the discipline and move forward. Shrouding it in mystery only causes further stumbling into speculative gossip.
Did G3 encourage Lawson to address the public? I agree the local church needs to handle this but G3 can't fully disconnect itself from the situation. Lawson was a very public figure on the G3 platform. Public platforms are not just used for teaching, but for confession/repentance for those who previously utilized the platform. Public figures require public repentance.
If G3 is only for church resources why not do them for free? Why not have the attitude of the Apostle Paul and work with your hands so you can give without asking. Instead I see that you all live luxuriously and don't care about the flock as you fleece them. We don't need the attitude of prosperity preachers or those living in ivory towers. Jesus and the apostles walked among the outcasts and was acquainted with reality and not living in gated communities with swimming pools. If you feel you need to swim get a season pass to your local pool and wear appropriate clothing.
Thank you, G3. I was just wrestling with G3, Ligonier, Masters Seminary and Grace to You allowing someone whom reportedly had no accountability with his local church, to speak. I was praying for clarification. Thank you, again. Glory to God!
The "clarification" doesn't add a lot when they don't even name their sources, and other sources have said that he wasn't a member. But whether he was a member or not on paper, there are still so many issues. Why was he given a job as the lead pastor he wasn't even an elder? If he was a member, then where was the accountability and shepherding? If that had been taken seriously then he wouldn't have gotten away with having an affair for over 5 years. This clarification--whether true or not--does not really help.
Man, talk about a weak response. It’s no wonder non believers mock our faith and call us cowards. Nice move, sweeping things under the rug in a stylish way. Bravo G3 It’s hilarious, many in the reformed community will completely eviscerate the character of others that are unqualified (charismatics). Give your boy the same energy.
Unfortunately I won't hold my breath for a documentary on the fall of Steve Lawson after months of research, produced by reformed folks. As you say, many within their theological framework spend their lives critiquing Charismatic's, but those close to them get shown partiality. If I'm wrong, and there's a Steve Lawson documentary coming, and or/they spend months talking about him to expose the depths of his schemes and behavior, then I will welcome it.
How is it weak? They have publicly rebuked his sin, called him to repent, removed his materials from their platforms, and answered questions as they arise. As for non-believers mocking us - its what they always do. There is a 100% chance of them mocking us if G3 did everything you want them to do. What's important is how we act, and Jesus says this: "By this, all people will know that you are my disciples: that you love one another". You're baseless attack on brothers is not showing love towards them. You are guilty of the partiality that you are accusing reformed Christians having.
Like taking out a National Enquirer picture from 2011, every few months of Benny Hinn holding hands with Paula White holding hands and declaring that they had an affair? Not mentioning that Randy White came to Paula White in 2007 and divorced her, and Suzanne Hinn came earlier in the year and divorced Benny Hinn. How about calling Stephen Furtick of Elevation Church and Worship, "unqualified," when his church is a member of the SBC, and he has a Master of Divinity degree from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary? Total hypocrisy! I am an older Born Again Christian that is non-reformed, knowing that the Gift of the Holy Spirit are for today, and from all the scandals in Christianity, for me, I have never heard one as disgusting as this!
@@JDsVarietyChannel Its not like this isn't being talked about in the Reformed community. Hundreds, if not thousands, of hours have been spent talking about this. Just look at all the podcasts, youtube videos, etc. Its even been addressed by other celebrity pastors, like John McArthur, and on the conference circuit. Will there be an hour long professional documentary? Who knows? Is it needed? Maybe, maybe not. What is notable in the difference between reformed and charismatic churches is that there is a big emphasis on qualification for reformed pastors. Steve Lawson will never teach again. He will never preach again. He will need host another university class. He will never write a book again. As Justin Peters recently said "Once you disqualify yourself in our circle, you are done forever". And that holds true. On the other hand, there have been many notable charismatic preachers that have fallen in the same sin, have left for a season, and then have returned to ministry as if nothing happened. And when you bring up their disqualification, Charismatics will rush to defend those pastors and their "restoration to ministry".
@@TruthLivesNow Elevation is no longer a member of the SBC, by the way. Also, if you listen to Furtick's more recent sermons, you will hear that he has strayed quite far from being biblically sound. Just because he has a degree does not make him qualified to preach.
Thank you for making and posting this. It’s been so confusing and even heartbreaking to hear all of it. I pray Steve Lawson will repent of his sin and I’m praying for his wife to forgive him.
Glad you clarified he and his wife are indeed members of the church they attend. We do need to be careful as far as gossip goes. It spreads like a wildfire and misinformation is accepted as truth.
Is that really the truth? Or is it possible that different people at Trinity have a different understanding of the situation?. By the way because of that even worse than hearsay. Trinity needs to come out and make a statement either affirming that he was a member and is currently. Because there was a letter I thought that came out that said that they could not discipline him because he wasn't a pastor and he wasn't a member where did that letter come from I realize G3 is not responsible for that letter but when people continue to not cite their sources it looks more and more like an attempt to say face and protect one's own bottom line rather than do the right thing and I'm not sure G3 is at fault here I'm not saying they are you're still not being transparent on why the need to remove Lawson's materials that you had hosted on your site? If they were so bad what was that in them? Simply removing them as a change in content being offered like Netflix pulling a movie it doesn't hold weight for a church and it shouldn't hold weight for a Ministry that subservient to the church. I would still like to know the answers to this. Because I suspect just like with John MacArthur's early statement about his theology being perfect that people would begin to look more critically at the type of Calvinism that Lawson was preaching and rebuked those in G3 who hold to it. Come out and repent any of you who are trying to hide this truth from Christians?
With all due respect, how are we expected to gather “all of the details” when the organizations Dr. Lawson partnered with aren’t sharing anything, Trinity Bible isn’t sharing anything, and the information that is released by news media and podcasters is brushed off as “incorrect” without any additional information to explain how or why it’s incorrect? I understand there are aspects of this that not everyone needs to know about, but it seems like we’re just getting the runaround and then being scolded for asking questions when there isn’t anything else we can do.
The information that has been circulating has been from a member of that church answering a questions asked by an outsider, why would that member lie? This person stated that Lawson was not a member, an elder, or the pastor, just a continual guest speaker.
@@qianashaw8167 They didn't have multiple sources. Here is the extent of their substantiation: “They were reluctant to tell me that, but they agreed; he was not an elder, he was not a pastor. He was not the lead pastor. They kind of waffled when I said, “was he a member?” They didn’t want to tell me, but it was pretty obvious he wasn’t.”
@ScottAniol I'm only asking... How is it that he was preaching on Sundays but not acknowledged by Trinity as "an elder, pastor, or lead pastor?" Even if he was simply a member, what exactly was the scope and purpose of his role as a church "servant?" This really is all very confusing, and I think it's normal for the body of Christ to want to understand and try to make sense of it. I think the most damaging aspect of it all is his silence.
@@ScottAniol Thank you for your repsonse. I don't necessarily trust the sources that say he was a member, but I do cede the point of the wording in the podcast. Trinity made this public. And Trinity should be cleaning up the public mess.
Thank you for the clarification and the confirmation of your submission to the local church. It would maybe help to name a few of those spreading false information to render them accountable and expect more accuracy in regard to these serious matters.
Thank you for your honesty I pray for Steve Lawson he was such a great preacher I ask God to cleanse his soul and forgive his transgressions though we all must remember that we all are sinners and fall short of God’s glory…let’s pray 🙏🏽
"In several of the reports, G3 Ministries was openly critiqued for our willingness to platform someone who was not a member of a local church. As a result, we would like to address these matters and provide clarity on the muddy waters regarding this situation. After the reports were published about Steven Lawson’s lack of church membership, we sought to verify these reports" They had to do some investigating to find out whether or not he was a member of Trinity Bible Church. Which means they never verified the info before they platformed him, they only dug to find out when their feet were held to the fire. I like the guys over at G3, I think they are good brothers. But I think they should've known the answer to that question before any of this ever happened.
I would add that Steve Lawson, "should" address all this publicly. Not the details of his sin, but that he is repentant and is sorry and asks for forgiveness. I am much more hurt (disappointed) that he seems to be in hiding and that makes the it much worse.
Thank you for doing your part in taking his videos down. It doesn't make me happy that anyone would fall into sin but when a public teacher has this is a step that is good to take.
Thank you for making this statement. I'm glad to hear that he was a member of the church. But, was he an elder? If he was not an elder, then he should have never been presented as if he was. He should have been asked upon moving to Texas, what his role was in the church and updated his status (in writing) with G3 as a regular conference speaker in a long-time partnership that contributed substantially to the growth of G3 ministries and drew massive crowds to the conferences.
Trinity Bible Church needs to address the people of faith, not G3 Ministries. This is reminiscent of the Catholic priests and their reprehensible behaviour with young children. The Catholic Church covered and is still covering for these priests. Doing this or staying silent speaks more than Trinity Bible Church obviously understands. Although G3 Ministries has the absolute right to distance themselves and I suppose, give a statement, Trinity Bible Church and Steve Lawson need to make a public statement. There will continue to be suspicion brewing, wondering who knew, and how long they were culpable with this behaviour. Because they were if they knew. Unacceptable that it's taken this long and there's still no resolve. God is not the author of confusion and there's a lot of it going on. Someone put out the statement that Steve Lawson and his wife were not members of Trinity Bible Church. But we find out they are? What a mess. Truly.
Thank you for addressing this. It believe that it was wise to wait, and pray, and consider carefully the situation before coming out with a "statement." Clearly your response reflects that care.
People spoke to Trinity and were TOLD he was not a member after much waffling on Trinity"s side! Don"t tell me none of you major ministries did"t know. It's disgraceful!! He sinned publicly and should be disciplined publicly NOT swept under the rug.. Matthew 18 says nothing about needing church membership to be disciplined
He is a member of Trinity. We have verified this information from multiple sources within Trinity Bible Church. We direct all inquiries to Trinity Bible Church.
You imagine that he is NOT being disciplined? Consider the multiple forms of discipline already enacted: he’s lost his church teaching job, he’s lost all his G3 speaking gigs, he’s been fired from the ministry he founded, he’s been publicly humiliated, his wife has left him. He is absolutely experiencing the discipline and admonishment of God through appropriate structures. What has NOT happened is any announcement from Trinity about a formal restoration process - which is clearly premature, as that requires repentance and teachability. And time.
Akadwrit er....did you demand sources for the other info you got about him not being a member? The anger and bitterness in your comments are to be questioned. What is your goal here?
People seem to think they can "forgive" Lawson, somehow forgetting that we are still accountable for our sins and crimes, and that the Bible says few should be teachers since they are held to a stricter judgment (James 3:1). It is right for a public minister to be held accountable publicly. Don't misconstrue that with gossip. This video didn't do anything to clarify anything, unfortunately.
@HearGodsWord I'm not talking about forgetting, I'm talking about allowing justice to be done. We're quick to "forgive" people, forgetting that their victims have not seen justice done when we try to exonerate someone in the name of "forgiveness."
Our vetting process does not have any issues. It is silly that we would have to ask "Are you a member of a church." But we will from this point on anyway.
@@qianashaw8167because one would think that anyone seeking to be a preacher of the word would be in obedience to the Word which requires church membership. The idea that someone would hide noncompliance to this is quite audacious. It's like presenting someone as your wife whom you have no legal connection to, never sleep with, and your children aren't yours. It's deliberately deceptive beyond what would ordinarily be reasonable for people to question
thank you for clarifying. I was wondering if the membership thing was even correct. I'm glad there was membership so that there can be discipline and hopefully restoration
"The goal in this statement is not to provide cover for Steven Lawson regarding his sin." Only Jesus can forgive sin and save. Praise God, Jesus has him covered.
Why is it confusing? I never followed him much, other than perhaps a message here & there. I did not even know what church he attended. When this news first came out, one of the first things I did was look up the church website because I wanted to hear official information from official sources. I didn't want to hear it from everywhere else, where things may be incorrect.
37,000 + views on this topic and still climbing… Clearly, the Body of Christ wants to learn and understand the many facets of this issue from biblical basis… Dear Men of God, We want to be taught more on this topic. TU G3 for this video.
I understand how absolutely difficult and heartbreaking it is when leaders sin. I was very close to a similar situation over 40 years ago. When one is an outsider looking in, the solutions seem simple, but up close and personal, it’s much more complicated. I truly have compassion for all. May angry is reserved for the Thief that comes to steal, kill, and destroy! Having said all that, coming from the perspective of one who does not find biblical reason to believe in divine determinism, I have found it intriguing to see how similar and practically we view the act of sin.
Hi Josh, I sincerely appreciate the statement. As I’m certain you’ve seen, most statements offered in contexts like this tend to be canned, and preemptive, rather than proactive, and authentic as this one is. I greatly appreciate G3 and their service to God, And to God’s people. This is very hard for me, especially going through personal illness myself, and having a lot of questions about the sovereignty of God, while seeing all of these notable pastors who have been trusted with his word fall. It has been a rough year, especially someone who came to really value the exposition of the Bible through people like Steven Lawson, or perhaps even worse, Ravi Zacharias. It has been a rough few years to be a Christian, but then again, it has been a rough few centuries to be a Christian, and this isn’t new.
I pray God is merciful towards Mr. Lawson and comforts his family he has sadly wounded but more he has grieved the Holy Spirit. Have we all not sinned against God and against those we love and those we have not loved?. May God help us grow in the grace that He gives us day by day. I think we all need daily repentance because we all fail, but may God help us be steadfast in His word and apply it when we read Scripture daily in our lives. Blessed are those who are merciful for they shall receive mercy- Matthew 5:7.
@@HearGodsWord Exactly what I was thinking. BTW - it has been shocking to see the numerous high-profile “Christian pastors” get exposed in recent years. Very troubling. Not quite Ananias and Saphira level stuff, but it should result in much introspection, and sermons admonishing church leaders.
Brothers, you are late too much with your statemant. It is sad. It is not act of trust. But Lord knows everything even if we are held in the dark. Lawson is not just one of many.
This was not brilliant. He does not give any evidence for his so-called fact-finding. Now it’s his word against the original podcast that actually called Trinity Church, and was given the information that he was not a member. That original podcast that he seems to be disparaging, has more credibility for their claim than he has for his.
He was NOT a member! David Murill actually contacted & spoke with someone at Trinity Bible Church himself. Steve is now residing in Tennessee & his wife remains in Texas.
The podcast says that someone who worked at the church confirmed that he is not a member. Also the Elders at Trinity Baptist Church is not handling the Matthew 18 process. Why the Elders not in charge and why they are not clarifying?
It's very confusing. They actually say on the "all things wisdom" podcast, that when they spoke to a staff member at TBC and when the question was asked about whether he was a member that the staff member waffled at the answer. The host then stated, "it was pretty obvious that he wasn't." So, there really isn't much to go on either way. TBC needs to make a statement that states Lawson's position and the status of his membership.
@@akadwriter Right. That's what's so terrible with the communication regarding this whole thing. If the answer is "no," then an answer will be given but if the answer is "yes" then the question is completely ignored.
Why doesn’t Steven Lawson just come out humbly and confess his wrong doing.Many will respect such honest repentance.He seems secretly to condone and justify his sin!
Maybe he is not repentant , sadly. He was forced to confess by the girl’s father. It doesn’t mean he was sorry. Sorry he got caught maybe. My mind finds it difficult to understand how a man in his position can have a relationship with a woman 50 years younger than himself. That is just so so sick.
Have you ever sinned? As far as I know, there is only one man that was without sin; Jesus Christ. Tell me, does your sin make every truth you've ever told automatically make you false? Why don't you pick up the bible and re-read the words of Christ. Stop gloating over his fall. You will be held accountable for it.
To be frank, I trust you more than I trust Protestia, so if you say TBC has confirmed that the Lawsons are members, I'll believe that. But if that's the case, why have they made no public statement on this or any other question since the initial one? Even if their investigation and disciplinary process are, for the time, private, that's something they could easily clarify, as they could the remainder of his status (and, if reports of that status are correct, why on earth they believed that was a wise arrangement).
@@HearGodsWord Josh is G3 . I’m just so blessed The Lord Steered me away from Reformed doctrine. I actually had to learn about. It’s completely nonsensical. Look what it takes to “ join G3 ministers ! “
Continued prayers for him and his family and the victims and the church. He should be an object lesson to all of us, that any one of us can fall into temptation and sin. I am learning to never elevate a preacher higher than the three inch platform he stands on! If the Apostle Peter could deny our Lord Jesus Christ three times, what hope is there for the rest of us? I am saddened by this whole thing, but my hope is not in the Apostle Peter nor in pastor Steve Lawson, neither one of them died for my sins - only Jesus died and rose again to give us eternal life. The Rev. Billy Graham led countless multitudes of people to the Lord but he’s dead and never saved one soul. The Apostles and the early church Fathers are all dead and lying in their graves. They never saved anyone! The Old Testament church/saints are all dead and buried, never having saved a single soul. Stop putting these godly people on ungodly pedestals! There’s only one way of salvation: Jesus Christ. We pray for his repentance and restoration to the family of faith.
If you truly think it is so bad, why were you so quick to pass judgement on Julie Roys? Also, how hard would it have been for Trinity to issue a statement when this supposed misinformation came out vs. letting it stay out there for say a week or so? It sure sounds like the Trinity Leadership is inept.
I have one question Did Steve come forward with his sin and that’s how it was discovered, or was he caught in the sin? I think that speaks volumes because if he came forward and was repentant, that’s great but if he was just caught and now he’s not speaking on it , that is truly unfortunate
I think pulling his content was wrong. Steven's past teaching wasn't false because the man fell into sin. His teaching was clearly based on the Word of God. We're all sinners. I refuse to pull his content from my channel here on TH-cam. I believe Steven to be a member of God's people and I believe Steven will deal with his sin, in repentance before the God we all serve. Seeing all these channels pull Steven's content almost instantly and distance themselves from a brother makes me even more leery of these church "businesses" ultimately. Way too much emphasis is put on these church "buildings" and organizations and not enough emphasis put on US, the ACTUAL church and those who need each other, the body of Christ.
I agree. He’s now unfit to be in a teaching position but he’s not disqualified. I think he’s too old for there to be enough time but he could repent and be restored.
@@HearGodsWord Well, at the end of the day, I stand by what I said in my message and if people think less of my ministry because I still have videos featuring Steven, my brother, then so be it. His teaching didn't all become false because of his falling into sin. We're all sinners.
So was he actually an elder/pastor there or was he paid as a guest speaker? Because this is also significant, not just the membership. Also is he submitting himself to the elders at trinity bible or just off rogue in a different state? I don’t like that video only addressed one of the negative accusations that could be dismissed and not the others that have been brought to the public? I have Steve Lawson books sitting on my bookshelf now, he needs to have some character and humility and publicly address this.
Thank you Josh. The wolves and the world jumped on this as they do anything that shows Christ and His church in a negative light. Real Christians should pause and pray. Pause to lead the elders of the church work as God intended. Pray for all involved and praise God because this will turn out for His Glory and Steve’s (and our good). It is easy to fall. Give everyone grace and let the God ordained processes work. I personally believe that Steve is a believer. He only was caught up in his sin and God exposed it. Pray for his repentance. 😊
I would like to extend forgiveness and thank you to Steve Lawson for preaching the word of God. Steve Lawson's Romans Bible Study, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John Bible Study & Sermon on the mount Bible Study are all extremely valuable and edifying for any Christian. Yes, Steve Lawson did something he shouldn't have. We must pick him up and show him the love of Jesus Christ in our hearts and point to God and steer Steve back to God and true repentance and pray for his family as well. Thank you for touching my life personally with your passionate heart and love for the word of God. Checkout these sermons anyone who hasn't had the chance. 1.) Voice of one crying in the wilderness 2.) It will cost you everything 3. The Narrow Way 4.) Worshipping the Triune God There are so many more that have been impactful in my life! Also checkout the Bible Studies as well as they will help you to grow in your walk with God. Thank you Steve Lawson from the bottom of my heart!!
I love your comment. These are my thoughts as well. I loved listening to his sermons. The internet is tearing him apart, even from other believers. Yes, what they did was very wrong, but we are all sinners in need of a Savior. I know my opinion is unpopular, but my heart is breaking for the young woman. She must be overwhelmed with fear of her identity being exposed and what that might mean for her future. I'm sure she is already seeing the wolves on the internet ready to tear her apart. Young woman, if you're reading this, please know there are plenty of women out here who care about you. We don't look down on you. We're praying for your healing and restoration. If we knew who you are, we would, sisters to sisters, wrap our arms around you and walk with you through this.
Yet there remains something deeply problematic about a Bible teacher who has allied a split to happen, literally a dis-integration within his own heart between his teachings and his practice, between his doctrine and his character. We need to focus as much on character and integrity. It is easier to teach truth than to live in truth. It is easier to pass on the content of faith than it is to live faithfully.
Question 1 - What is the deception that allows sin to go unnoticed (3:35) in every Christian alive today, including the speaker in this video? Question 2 - How did Paul handle sin in the church and what was the motivation behind his actions? Do you see any similarity between Paul's example and how today's church handles similar matters? (I sure don't.)
At this point I'm still convinced that at least some of the information (misinformation?) is possibly, or probably, correct. Was he, or was he not, a pastor and member at Trinity? The website showed him as being the "lead preacher"; kinda weird title. The deafening silence by those who should be speaking seems to be an "uh oh". Being he was platformed for many years, by many entities, before countless thousands of followers, means yes, the people have a right to know. I wasn't a follower of Steve, but was very saddened by the news of his sin. But I have been far more saddened by what seems to be a failure to follow the scriptures, such as 1 Tim 5:20 and, if unrepentant, 1 Cor 5:4-5, as well as the crickets concerning the situation overall. And if he wasn't a member and pastor at Trinity, who knew within his preaching/teaching circle, and if not, why? Memory-holing a person, in and of itself, isn't church discipline. In any case, the elite, celebrity preacher days probably need to come to an end, or maybe God it doing that Himself. I know my thinking has changed considerably on several matters. I hope and pray this comes to a good and known end for the sake of the church and the name of Christ. Patiently waiting...
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There's no "moving forward" without public repentance from that man. And why is the woman STILL not been named? I can't stand when women are protected just because they are women. As far as the public information I've seen, this was a consensual, adult relationship. She needs to be experiencing the same public shame he is. She can't be allowed to get away with this just because she's female.
@@cosmictreason2242 That's the problem. I don't want information "indirectly named through social media." I want official information directly from official sources. That means either the person, their church, any ministries they lead or work in, any legal authorities. That type of thing. Leaving things to other people gossiping on social media is part of the problem with these types of situations.
@@Yesica1993 what makes a source official? Thank goodness God didn't require the apostles to get official declarations from Herod, Pilate or the Sanhedrin affirming that Jesus has risen, before they could go and preach the resurrection
@@HearGodsWord If you notice, in my original comment i wasn't asking a question either. So why are you responding to me since I didn't ask... Hypocrite.. I went to your channel and I know why you're antagonizing me and that's because you are a perpetuator of a false gospel with false teachers. Those that are according to the flesh always persecute those according to the Spirit. Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.) Go ahead and depart from me. I no longer have any concern for what you have to say.
Steve Lawson needs to address the public.
Also Trinity Bible should clarify.
That church’s lead elder needs to make a public statement to squash ALL the misinformation that is circulating- I am sure the congregation has asked multiple questions also
@@James-tl2tq Right. Honestly, I am very disappointed in Steve. You have many followers who look up to you. There has been no letter, video, etc. from him since the incident. We don’t need heavy details. I think it would have been helpful to just give a brief statement about confession, repentance, needed prayer, etc. To go silent since the situation is a bit disheartening. I sympathize with him and understand the pain he is going through personally, but some communication from him would have been so helpful.
@@Pastor_GrantGreat point. Does anyone else find it odd that we're being told to be patient and let Trinity handle among themselves, but...most of what we do know has come not from Trinity, but from Phil Johnson? Phil Johnson is not an elder at Trinity but he seems to know what's going on...
@@bempongmaybe you should not "follow" a man and turn your heart, mind and spirit to Christ.
Always, Only Jesus
I appreciate the work of G3. However, why has Trinity Bible not come forward with a statement of their own clarifying that he is a member following many reports to the contrary? That would nip this in the bud. This makes no sense.
They are a church family and they have to protect themselves. It’s not a matter of clarifying the facts, it’s what it is wise to do at this point. Let us make clear, we, the ones watching this kind of videos and statements, don’t have all the facts. The call is for us not to be so quick to judge and condemn.
Their defense is that Steve Lawson was never even an official pastor of the church. Only a "guest pastor", therefore they dont feel obligated to make a statement. Very shameful
@@VladimirTrujilloOG wise response
The exaltation and leveraging of celebrity to build your brand.
G3 can't make a church do anything.
Thank you for this clarification. Its definitely is a tragedy. We are praying for Steve, his family and all who are affected by his fall.
I appreciate this announcement. It doesn't need to go any further than this. Steve Lawson has been removed from ministry and we need to pray for him and his family.
Amen, right on
Amen!
Of course pray for him, his wife, the young lady he was involved with...and that he believes scripture & is no longer a purveyor of Calvin's Institutes.
@@mikelyons2831 I noticed the last part of your comment was a dig at reformed theology. No offense, but that's petty. There are plenty of Christian leaders who are not reformed who have done grievous sexual sins, but would you comment on their theological stance as well? I doubt that you would. Using Steve Lawson's fall as a springboard to attack reformed theology shows what's really gnawing at you inside. If you disagree with reformed theology, then bring an open Bible and a prayerful heart and show based on the content, context, and grammar of scripture why it is incorrect. The Word of God is our guide (2 Timothy 3:16-17, John 17:17). Without it, you'll resort to little jabs that are out of place in this situation. I pray you check your heart.
I 100% disagree guess the real question I have is , " Where you as picky with Steve Lawson's personal saniftifcation as you guy s are with Bill Johnson's Teaching? If the answer is yes, the the question is then someone must have raised an eyebrow over the course of five years. How can the guy be away from this family so often and no one including a discerment ministry like g3 not ask if that is good for his marriage? If the answer is no, I think you owe an apology for caring more about other ministries are doing at your ministries integrity. How can I trust your opinion that these guys over here, are heretics, when you couldn't see the evil in your own eye? All I am looking for is an apology that would make me trust the ministry again
Continued prayers for the Church as a whole . Thank you for your transparency. Yes, press on and glory to God!
You stated this ''The facts are clear-Steven Lawson and his wife are members of Trinity Bible Church. We have verified this information from two sources within Trinity Bible Church.'' - then do you have confirmation that the elders at Trinity Bible Church is currently going through church discipline with Steve Lawson? also what's the elders justification for having someone as a regular Lead Preacher but not a pastor nor an elder? does it not sound strange to you?
He wasn’t a member in previous statement.
Lawson, Platt, Driscoll, McDonald, others don’t want the “burden” of personally shepherding people or the accountability from internal and empowered elders. They want the large platform of a mega church and to be able to speak at outside events, travel, write books, and be celebrities at conferences. It’s inhuman. No one has that much time or energy or is that good. Something gives way. You can only sacrifice your wife, your kids, your sleep, accountability, your integrity so many times before an inevitable crash. This system of promoting celebrity super pastors is unhinged and unbiblical.
Who are the verified sources?
@victoriazhao - excellent questions and ones that should have been addressed in this video. This felt a little too scripted and boilerplate to me. Praying for the members of Trinity Bible church that God would bring them leaders with discernment and true shepherds for their flock.
@@gtf5392It's a statement, it's meant to _sound_ scripted because it is. It did what it was suppose to do, which is to clarify their position, update and inform.
Prayers for Steven Lawson and his family and for this woman as well. Thank GOD for conviction of sin and for HIS abundant Grace & Mercy. Prayers for true repentance and restoration unto GOD.
Can you please explain how Steve Lawson being a church member in any way changed G3's responsibility if you didn't know prior anyway? What was the point of bringing this up? If he was paid to preach sermons (without being a pastor), but was also a member, that is even worse in my opinion. That means he was paid as a celebrity within the church, and was not just a preacher for hire from the outside. If you're being paid to congregate with other believers, is that not a massive blunder? I think this announcement would have been more respectable without bringing up that point, because it comes off as damage control, as if somehow him being an actual member of Trinity Bible church makes G3 look better?
Furthermore, you're claiming you had to do fact checking to find out if Steve was a member, which makes it a completely moot point. So even if he wasn't a member, it's admitting you didn't know. So why bring it up at all? This comes across as wrangling over words.
This also brings up the issue of parachurch organizations. So basically, whatever issue that comes up, you can just disown someone, and then claim it's some churches responsibility to deal with. Is this not dangerous spiritually? G3 acts as a defacto church because you teach doctrine. Who can hold YOU all accountable? Can we the church people, if I get signatures from 1,000 other church elders across the world? Prove that you're not above the church. Who has the authority to rebuke you, require changes or force closure?
"G3 acts as a defacto church because you teach doctrine." JD, not really sure what you're saying here. Care to clarify?
@@jeffdowns1038 Hey Jeff. If a proclaiming Christian organization teaches doctrine, they should not be above church rebuke. G3 in this video claimed they are not above the church. So I'm asking for specific details, to which extent the universal body of Christ has over their activities. I am withholding judgement until they release the metrics for accountability (was not provided in this video) . That was the context of my comment you're referring to. So if they have set up their own accountability structure, then they operate as a de facto church, in contradiction to what was stated. Again, I withhold judgement until they respond with their criteria for the specifics of how they are beholden to broader church authority.
EDIT: I could have worded that sentence better, so thanks for brining it up.
What you are expecting is unrealistic.
I'm also wary of all those ministries out there, but even the Bible makes it clear scandals will happen. They are inevitable. There's no regulations, bureaucracy or extra biblical requirements that will fix that.
If much, we should be praying more so that God reveals sin.
I also think you may be mixing up things here. Where in the Bible it's said that teaching doctrine makes you a church or that teaching doctrine can only be done when approved by a local church? Of course it's good that everyone is in good standing with a church, but what if many pastors who have a good testimony gather themselves to encourage other pastors? Weren't many people in the NT sent to cooperate with Paul or teach other churches?
Agreed. But these dudes also defend Doug Wilson as a brother. They lost all credibility with me when I realized that.
The reformed world needs a DEEP cleansing!
@@akadwriter agreed 💯
Regarding Steve’s non membership at Trinity, although you are a credible source to say you fact checked and found he was a member, we need you to specify your facts. Trinity has a vested interest in asserting he was a member.
How more specific do they need to be to satisfy your curiosity?
I called Trinity Bible Church this summer and the woman on the phone was very adamant that Steven Lawson wasn't an elder, but in some type of teacher only position. I thought that was very odd.
@@SilentEcho4178 Wrong. He is a member. Watch the video.
@@SilentEcho4178 He is a member of Trinity Bible Church.
We have conflicting info, the podcast where this was released said they confirmed by two / three witnesses. Is it possible Lawson was not truthful with Josh?
@@ScottAniol I didn't say he wasn't a member and I watched the video. Sorry, I also realized you were replying to someone else.
@@ScottAniol who gave that info? And why didn't Trinity just come out with a statement when the podcast and article when public and say, "No that's incorrect, the Lawsons are/were members."
How exactly did you verify and have documented proof that Lawson and his wife were in fact members of TBC? There are reports that TBC hasn’t a formal membership process… these varying reports from “credible sources” are very confusing. Praying for the Lord to provide clarity and wisdom. 🙏🏻
Steve Lawson probably receives more prayers and support than the average church attendee. When will we ever get past the idol of church celebrities?
Pastors should get more prayer as they are the leader of the church and are not only under attack more, but also need more help when helping so many other people.
No doubt.
I agree about the danger of "church celebrities." But pastors in general do need more prayer/support than the average church attender. They are more open to spiritual attack and just personal falling into sin because of their high profile position. The enemy also knows that they influence others, so they love to attack leaders. (I need to pray more often for my own pastor!)
Exactly
@@Yesica1993Except Lawson isn’t a pastor. He’s a ‘Dr’ and a guest speaker.
Thank you Josh. Well-stated and helpful to clear the air on this part of the issue. It was good to hear Steve has accountability. We should all pray that his heart will turn toward repentance.
This is the only type of announcement that needs to be done. I haven’t actively followed the aftermath of Steven Lawson’s sin. But, I would say unequivocally that some people…even professing Christians…have stayed glued to the I-Net just for all the “juicy tid bits”.
I listened to a lot of Lawson’s teachings on Ligonier Ministries (I remember the controversy with Sproul Jr. years ago) and thoroughly enjoyed them.
I have prayed for Lawson, the families involved, and the churches involved. As was correctly explained we’re all susceptible to a fall, keeping in mind what the Apostle Paul admonished of taking heed that we will stand lest we fall.
Amen brother. This internet “Christians” love this type of content. That’s why I decided to try my best to stay away from it , it doesn’t help us at all to grow . What help us grow is grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If we just have our minds set on this subjects of a brothers fall we fall in sin too. We should all continue praying for one another.
@@Completeincristo💯. Like ambulance chasers. They lift themselves up like this could not happen to them or their ministry/church. Remember, only Jesus knew who Judas truly was.
Amen, brother. Verses Romans 3:10 and Roman's 3:23 immediately come to mind.
@@GiaGirlism a State Trooper I know and worked with for almost two years was arrested back in August on federal cocaine trafficking charges, even in his assigned police car. I never would have thunk it.
Wise words. We are admonished to think on “these things:” 8 whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praiseworthy. Except during the deeply serious work of church discipline [which WAS done biblically by TBC elders, no mature Christian should be seeking, hungering for “more details” of such grievous sin.
Thank you so much for this measured and Biblical response. I feel you've addressed this issue very well, and clarified questions that people may have. Definitely praying for Steve and his family, and also for those who have been hurt by this sin.
@G3 thanks for making this clear statement. As painful as it must have been to make, it was sadly needed.
Steve Lawson is 73 years old. He must have a history. Has he been a successful pastor of a local church? How many? What is his educational background? What qualified him to be honored by Ligonier, G3 Ministries, or Dean of the D.Min. program at the Master's Seminary? What qualified him to sit on Lord knows how many panels with distinguished theologians? Was he really vetted? He got where he was because he was elevated by good men who did not exercise discernment. He sang the same theological song as these men, and they said, "Come join the choir." And the body is suffering for it.
I do wonder if there were other cases of adultery with Steve Lawson. If he would do this, maybe there are other instances.
Very thought provoking comment.
It is very sad, and because he has not come forward as of yet is disappointing. I pray Mr. Lawson will repent and turn from his sin, and I pray his wife and family will find their peace an comfort through Christ our Lord.
This came from Trinity Bible. Perhaps they need to be straight with the Church and be honest about what Steve Lawson did, the woman involved, and if he has repented. He was a public leader in the faith and the Church needs to know truth. It would surely stop the rumor mill they have helped create.
Thank you for this clarifying statement. The gossip/rumors are easy to not participate in, but hard to ignore when the official sources are all silent
As believers including Mr. Lawson, no one is beyond the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ when we stumble and fall, I pray he and his wife go through the necessary biblical counseling to restore their marriage and lives, he may never be qualified to pastor a church, but as long as his faith is in Jesus Christ he is still a member of the body of Christ. If God can restore King David, He can restore anyone, yes, David suffered the consequences of his action, but God didn't give up on him, I wish both Steven and his wife all the best.
Well said. Thank you🙂
I don't know anyone on here who is condemning Mr. Lawson. They all believe in praying for him, his wife, and the young lady involved, as well as the church where he preached. The conversation is about the church leadership and their responsibility, not just to church members but those outside the church since they permitted him to have a voice beyond their walls and was profiting from it.
I think it’s time to end these huge conferences like G3. They give way too much glory to “A-list” celebrity preachers. Just asking for trouble.
Yep. NONE of these para church orgs are needed. It just leads to hero worship.
Amen.
All of the Reformed/Calvinistic conferences are platforms for idols. It is sad that these men are so revered. They sit on the stage and quote Calvin almost as much as they do Scripture. They laugh when one of them denigrates a “non-Calvinist.” It is pathetic. What’s more pathetic, is G3 is just now addressing this.
Does anyone know if anyone has had contact with Steve? Pastor MacArthur oSinclair Ferguson or anyone? These bits of info lead me to believe that none of his friends have had any contact with him. Has he cut everyone off?
The woman needs to be exposed as well. From my understanding, it was a mutual and consensual relationship. She too knew what she was doing and also needs to be held accountable.
You would do well to remember john 8:1-11. She was 20 and he was 70? As an older brother in the Lord how can he do that? Shameful! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Hello G3 & Josh Buice. I love you, Josh, & your ministry. Thus, I want to clarify one thing : I recall Carl Hargrove saying on Twitter that he checked TWICE with others & confirmed that he was not a member, so did Pastor Derek Brown & Cliff McManis, who themselves verified this with Trinity Bible Church itself & claimed these facts as being supported by the evidence of two or three witnesses. I'm confused. Would you clarify this?
We have verified this information from multiple sources within Trinity Bible Church. We direct all inquiries to Trinity Bible Church. I believe Hargrove's comment was regarding the fact that Lawson was not an elder.
@ScottAniol Thanks for the response, Scott! Lots of love from Hyderabad, India!😊😇🥰
Your statements are compelling, but far too little too late. Investigations will continue.
@@ScottAniolThanks for clarifying Scott! I appreciate your and G3's ministry. I actually was able to meet you at the Reformation conference in Dallas this year. Thanks for all you do. But, brother, I'm curious to get your insights about something.
We are being told to be patient to allow Trinity to handle this internally and that part of the reason more has not been said is because if repentance does come, it would be preferable not to shame the man with needless details. However, most of what is known publicly has come from Phil Johnson's social media. Phil Johnson is not at Trinity, so how could it be that information is being given out to some outside of Trinity, but not being stated publicly...until it leaks out on social media? Can you see my confusion? Thank you brother! I know this whole thing is terribly burdensome to discuss, so thanks for offering any help on that. 🙏
The fall of Steve Lawson did not cause me to think poorly or question the integrity of G3 ministries. I appreciate you making this video.
Calvinism aka determinism is dangerous false doctrine!
Very well said Brother. Thank you and G3 Ministries for all of your love, care and support for Christ's Sheep ❤
I so respect the correct and transparent response from G3. I pray for Steve Lawson’s repentance and for the hearts of all those who’ve been affected. Sin leaves a wake of destruction. Jesus can bind our wounds.
How do you know if it's correct when they won't name their sources, and it didn't come from the church themselves?
Thank you brother Josh for this!❤ We are praying for everyone involved.
Why is this thing still so cloak and dagger? Tell the church exactly what happened like Paul did in 1 Corinthians. Do the discipline and move forward. Shrouding it in mystery only causes further stumbling into speculative gossip.
Did G3 encourage Lawson to address the public? I agree the local church needs to handle this but G3 can't fully disconnect itself from the situation. Lawson was a very public figure on the G3 platform. Public platforms are not just used for teaching, but for confession/repentance for those who previously utilized the platform. Public figures require public repentance.
The leadership at Trinity Bible need to be the ones to confirm Steve Lawson was a member in good standing. Not your say so G3.
If G3 is only for church resources why not do them for free? Why not have the attitude of the Apostle Paul and work with your hands so you can give without asking. Instead I see that you all live luxuriously and don't care about the flock as you fleece them. We don't need the attitude of prosperity preachers or those living in ivory towers.
Jesus and the apostles walked among the outcasts and was acquainted with reality and not living in gated communities with swimming pools. If you feel you need to swim get a season pass to your local pool and wear appropriate clothing.
Thank you, G3. I was just wrestling with G3, Ligonier, Masters Seminary and Grace to You allowing someone whom reportedly had no accountability with his local church, to speak. I was praying for clarification. Thank you, again. Glory to God!
The "clarification" doesn't add a lot when they don't even name their sources, and other sources have said that he wasn't a member. But whether he was a member or not on paper, there are still so many issues. Why was he given a job as the lead pastor he wasn't even an elder? If he was a member, then where was the accountability and shepherding? If that had been taken seriously then he wouldn't have gotten away with having an affair for over 5 years. This clarification--whether true or not--does not really help.
Man, talk about a weak response. It’s no wonder non believers mock our faith and call us cowards. Nice move, sweeping things under the rug in a stylish way. Bravo G3
It’s hilarious, many in the reformed community will completely eviscerate the character of others that are unqualified (charismatics). Give your boy the same energy.
Unfortunately I won't hold my breath for a documentary on the fall of Steve Lawson after months of research, produced by reformed folks. As you say, many within their theological framework spend their lives critiquing Charismatic's, but those close to them get shown partiality. If I'm wrong, and there's a Steve Lawson documentary coming, and or/they spend months talking about him to expose the depths of his schemes and behavior, then I will welcome it.
How is it weak? They have publicly rebuked his sin, called him to repent, removed his materials from their platforms, and answered questions as they arise. As for non-believers mocking us - its what they always do. There is a 100% chance of them mocking us if G3 did everything you want them to do. What's important is how we act, and Jesus says this: "By this, all people will know that you are my disciples: that you love one another". You're baseless attack on brothers is not showing love towards them. You are guilty of the partiality that you are accusing reformed Christians having.
Like taking out a National Enquirer picture from 2011, every few months of Benny Hinn holding hands with Paula White holding hands and declaring that they had an affair? Not mentioning that Randy White came to Paula White in 2007 and divorced her, and Suzanne Hinn came earlier in the year and divorced Benny Hinn.
How about calling Stephen Furtick of Elevation Church and Worship, "unqualified," when his church is a member of the SBC, and he has a Master of Divinity degree from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary?
Total hypocrisy!
I am an older Born Again Christian that is non-reformed, knowing that the Gift of the Holy Spirit are for today, and from all the scandals in Christianity, for me, I have never heard one as disgusting as this!
@@JDsVarietyChannel Its not like this isn't being talked about in the Reformed community. Hundreds, if not thousands, of hours have been spent talking about this. Just look at all the podcasts, youtube videos, etc. Its even been addressed by other celebrity pastors, like John McArthur, and on the conference circuit. Will there be an hour long professional documentary? Who knows? Is it needed? Maybe, maybe not. What is notable in the difference between reformed and charismatic churches is that there is a big emphasis on qualification for reformed pastors. Steve Lawson will never teach again. He will never preach again. He will need host another university class. He will never write a book again. As Justin Peters recently said "Once you disqualify yourself in our circle, you are done forever". And that holds true.
On the other hand, there have been many notable charismatic preachers that have fallen in the same sin, have left for a season, and then have returned to ministry as if nothing happened. And when you bring up their disqualification, Charismatics will rush to defend those pastors and their "restoration to ministry".
@@TruthLivesNow Elevation is no longer a member of the SBC, by the way. Also, if you listen to Furtick's more recent sermons, you will hear that he has strayed quite far from being biblically sound. Just because he has a degree does not make him qualified to preach.
Thank you for making and posting this. It’s been so confusing and even heartbreaking to hear all of it. I pray Steve Lawson will repent of his sin and I’m praying for his wife to forgive him.
Wait...so was he a member of that church YES or NO????????? There is different people saying different answers all claiming verified sources.
I would not support either this ministry or Lawsons church now.
I'm guessing you weren't supporting before, so it won't make any difference
Glad you clarified he and his wife are indeed members of the church they attend. We do need to be careful as far as gossip goes. It spreads like a wildfire and misinformation is accepted as truth.
Is that really the truth? Or is it possible that different people at Trinity have a different understanding of the situation?. By the way because of that even worse than hearsay. Trinity needs to come out and make a statement either affirming that he was a member and is currently. Because there was a letter I thought that came out that said that they could not discipline him because he wasn't a pastor and he wasn't a member where did that letter come from I realize G3 is not responsible for that letter but when people continue to not cite their sources it looks more and more like an attempt to say face and protect one's own bottom line rather than do the right thing and I'm not sure G3 is at fault here I'm not saying they are you're still not being transparent on why the need to remove Lawson's materials that you had hosted on your site? If they were so bad what was that in them? Simply removing them as a change in content being offered like Netflix pulling a movie it doesn't hold weight for a church and it shouldn't hold weight for a Ministry that subservient to the church. I would still like to know the answers to this. Because I suspect just like with John MacArthur's early statement about his theology being perfect that people would begin to look more critically at the type of Calvinism that Lawson was preaching and rebuked those in G3 who hold to it. Come out and repent any of you who are trying to hide this truth from Christians?
With all due respect, how are we expected to gather “all of the details” when the organizations Dr. Lawson partnered with aren’t sharing anything, Trinity Bible isn’t sharing anything, and the information that is released by news media and podcasters is brushed off as “incorrect” without any additional information to explain how or why it’s incorrect?
I understand there are aspects of this that not everyone needs to know about, but it seems like we’re just getting the runaround and then being scolded for asking questions when there isn’t anything else we can do.
The information that has been circulating has been from a member of that church answering a questions asked by an outsider, why would that member lie? This person stated that Lawson was not a member, an elder, or the pastor, just a continual guest speaker.
We have verified this information from multiple sources within Trinity Bible Church. We direct all inquiries to Trinity Bible Church.
@@ScottAniol So your multiple sources are up against the multiple sources that say he was not...
@@qianashaw8167 They didn't have multiple sources. Here is the extent of their substantiation:
“They were reluctant to tell me that, but they agreed; he was not an elder, he was not a pastor. He was not the lead pastor. They kind of waffled when I said, “was he a member?” They didn’t want to tell me, but it was pretty obvious he wasn’t.”
@ScottAniol I'm only asking...
How is it that he was preaching on Sundays but not acknowledged by Trinity as "an elder, pastor, or lead pastor?" Even if he was simply a member, what exactly was the scope and purpose of his role as a church "servant?" This really is all very confusing, and I think it's normal for the body of Christ to want to understand and try to make sense of it. I think the most damaging aspect of it all is his silence.
@@ScottAniol Thank you for your repsonse. I don't necessarily trust the sources that say he was a member, but I do cede the point of the wording in the podcast. Trinity made this public. And Trinity should be cleaning up the public mess.
Thank you, Josh. This was helpful as my heart continues to be heavy.
Lord, protect Your children from our sinful flesh. 😔
Thank you for the clarification and the confirmation of your submission to the local church. It would maybe help to name a few of those spreading false information to render them accountable and expect more accuracy in regard to these serious matters.
Thank you for your honesty I pray for Steve Lawson he was such a great preacher I ask God to cleanse his soul and forgive his transgressions though we all must remember that we all are sinners and fall short of God’s glory…let’s pray 🙏🏽
"In several of the reports, G3 Ministries was openly critiqued for our willingness to platform someone who was not a member of a local church. As a result, we would like to address these matters and provide clarity on the muddy waters regarding this situation.
After the reports were published about Steven Lawson’s lack of church membership, we sought to verify these reports"
They had to do some investigating to find out whether or not he was a member of Trinity Bible Church. Which means they never verified the info before they platformed him, they only dug to find out when their feet were held to the fire.
I like the guys over at G3, I think they are good brothers. But I think they should've known the answer to that question before any of this ever happened.
I would add that Steve Lawson, "should" address all this publicly. Not the details of his sin, but that he is repentant and is sorry and asks for forgiveness. I am much more hurt (disappointed) that he seems to be in hiding and that makes the it much worse.
But if he isn't sorry it would be a lie. Just because all came out doesn't make him repentant.
@@RKay-ku1ni I agree, I am assuming he is sorry, but we don't know.
Excellent response. Being slow to speak these days is a much needed practice.
Amen.
Thank you for doing your part in taking his videos down. It doesn't make me happy that anyone would fall into sin but when a public teacher has this is a step that is good to take.
This is very, very weak.
It would be weak if they didn't address it
A month later?@@HearGodsWordBuddy emailed him? Good grief.
Thank you for providing clarity on this matter.
Load of garbage
Load of garbage
I feel like yall would skewer any other minister from outside your “sub church” organization
Thank you for making this statement. I'm glad to hear that he was a member of the church. But, was he an elder? If he was not an elder, then he should have never been presented as if he was. He should have been asked upon moving to Texas, what his role was in the church and updated his status (in writing) with G3 as a regular conference speaker in a long-time partnership that contributed substantially to the growth of G3 ministries and drew massive crowds to the conferences.
Trinity Bible Church needs to address the people of faith, not G3 Ministries.
This is reminiscent of the Catholic priests and their reprehensible behaviour with young children. The Catholic Church covered and is still covering for these priests. Doing this or staying silent speaks more than Trinity Bible Church obviously understands. Although G3 Ministries has the absolute right to distance themselves and I suppose, give a statement, Trinity Bible Church and Steve Lawson need to make a public statement. There will continue to be suspicion brewing, wondering who knew, and how long they were culpable with this behaviour. Because they were if they knew. Unacceptable that it's taken this long and there's still no resolve. God is not the author of confusion and there's a lot of it going on. Someone put out the statement that Steve Lawson and his wife were not members of Trinity Bible Church. But we find out they are? What a mess. Truly.
Thank you for addressing this. It believe that it was wise to wait, and pray, and consider carefully the situation before coming out with a "statement." Clearly your response reflects that care.
That’s good news. Pray that Trinity Bible church and Steven end this chaos and bring clarity by giving their statements.
People spoke to Trinity and were TOLD he was not a member after much waffling on Trinity"s side! Don"t tell me none of you major ministries did"t know. It's disgraceful!! He sinned publicly and should be disciplined publicly NOT swept under the rug.. Matthew 18 says nothing about needing church membership to be disciplined
He is a member of Trinity. We have verified this information from multiple sources within Trinity Bible Church. We direct all inquiries to Trinity Bible Church.
You imagine that he is NOT being disciplined? Consider the multiple forms of discipline already enacted: he’s lost his church teaching job, he’s lost all his G3 speaking gigs, he’s been fired from the ministry he founded, he’s been publicly humiliated, his wife has left him.
He is absolutely experiencing the discipline and admonishment of God through appropriate structures.
What has NOT happened is any announcement from Trinity about a formal restoration process - which is clearly premature, as that requires repentance and teachability. And time.
@@ScottAniolName the sources. Also, was he an elder?
Even if he was a member, it hardly matters if he was not an ELDER.
Akadwrit er....did you demand sources for the other info you got about him not being a member? The anger and bitterness in your comments are to be questioned. What is your goal here?
@@mktay2067 Anger towards men who cover for wolves. I don't bow down to any men. Period.
Poor elder leadership
People seem to think they can "forgive" Lawson, somehow forgetting that we are still accountable for our sins and crimes, and that the Bible says few should be teachers since they are held to a stricter judgment (James 3:1). It is right for a public minister to be held accountable publicly. Don't misconstrue that with gossip.
This video didn't do anything to clarify anything, unfortunately.
Forgiving and forgetting are not the same thing
@HearGodsWord I'm not talking about forgetting, I'm talking about allowing justice to be done. We're quick to "forgive" people, forgetting that their victims have not seen justice done when we try to exonerate someone in the name of "forgiveness."
@pamelah6431 whether justice is done isn't down to G3.
@HearGodsWord and exonerating him isn't up to you and me.
Our vetting process has no issues..... we are reviewing our vetting process.... hmmmmm?
Our vetting process does not have any issues. It is silly that we would have to ask "Are you a member of a church." But we will from this point on anyway.
Right!
@@ScottAniol why is that a silly question?
@@qianashaw8167 Because there is no reason to assume otherwise, and in fact, he is a member.
@@qianashaw8167because one would think that anyone seeking to be a preacher of the word would be in obedience to the Word which requires church membership. The idea that someone would hide noncompliance to this is quite audacious. It's like presenting someone as your wife whom you have no legal connection to, never sleep with, and your children aren't yours. It's deliberately deceptive beyond what would ordinarily be reasonable for people to question
thank you for clarifying. I was wondering if the membership thing was even correct. I'm glad there was membership so that there can be discipline and hopefully restoration
Let's be more excited to see him restored than to cast stones his way. The world is watching.
He cannot and will not be restored without sincere repentance.
If he wants that.
He is a pedo
"The goal in this statement is not to provide cover for Steven Lawson regarding his sin."
Only Jesus can forgive sin and save. Praise God, Jesus has him covered.
2 minutes 50 seconds: "Steven Lawson and his wife are in fact members of Trinity Bible Church".... This is so confusing!!
Why is it confusing? I never followed him much, other than perhaps a message here & there. I did not even know what church he attended. When this news first came out, one of the first things I did was look up the church website because I wanted to hear official information from official sources. I didn't want to hear it from everywhere else, where things may be incorrect.
@@Yesica1993Because other sources are pretty clear that he was NOT a member. That includes a personal friend of mine who is in seminary.
@@akadwriter Exactly*.
37,000 + views on this topic and still climbing…
Clearly, the Body of Christ wants to learn and understand the many facets of this issue from biblical basis…
Dear Men of God,
We want to be taught more on this topic.
TU G3 for this video.
I understand how absolutely difficult and heartbreaking it is when leaders sin. I was very close to a similar situation over 40 years ago. When one is an outsider looking in, the solutions seem simple, but up close and personal, it’s much more complicated. I truly have compassion for all. May angry is reserved for the Thief that comes to steal, kill, and destroy!
Having said all that, coming from the perspective of one who does not find biblical reason to believe in divine determinism, I have found it intriguing to see how similar and practically we view the act of sin.
Hi Josh, I sincerely appreciate the statement. As I’m certain you’ve seen, most statements offered in contexts like this tend to be canned, and preemptive, rather than proactive, and authentic as this one is. I greatly appreciate G3 and their service to God, And to God’s people. This is very hard for me, especially going through personal illness myself, and having a lot of questions about the sovereignty of God, while seeing all of these notable pastors who have been trusted with his word fall. It has been a rough year, especially someone who came to really value the exposition of the Bible through people like Steven Lawson, or perhaps even worse, Ravi Zacharias. It has been a rough few years to be a Christian, but then again, it has been a rough few centuries to be a Christian, and this isn’t new.
I pray God is merciful towards Mr. Lawson and comforts his family he has sadly wounded but more he has grieved the Holy Spirit. Have we all not sinned against God and against those we love and those we have not loved?. May God help us grow in the grace that He gives us day by day. I think we all need daily repentance because we all fail, but may God help us be steadfast in His word and apply it when we read Scripture daily in our lives.
Blessed are those who are merciful for they shall receive mercy- Matthew 5:7.
Seems like an advert-mercial for G3. It just doesn't give much comfort, or ....
Shalom.
Or?
@@HearGodsWord Exactly what I was thinking.
BTW - it has been shocking to see the numerous high-profile “Christian pastors” get exposed in recent years. Very troubling. Not quite Ananias and Saphira level stuff, but it should result in much introspection, and sermons admonishing church leaders.
Brothers, you are late too much with your statemant. It is sad. It is not act of trust. But Lord knows everything even if we are held in the dark. Lawson is not just one of many.
Amen. As disappointing as his actions are, God's plans will not be thwarted.
So who is the PASTOR OF TRINITY CHURCH? No one can answer this question! Can you?
Have you asked them?
Brilliant announcement. Let's pray for full restoration. Thanks so much, G3.
Full restoration? Meaning he be allowed to return to public preaching and teaching?
This was not brilliant. He does not give any evidence for his so-called fact-finding. Now it’s his word against the original podcast that actually called Trinity Church, and was given the information that he was not a member. That original podcast that he seems to be disparaging, has more credibility for their claim than he has for his.
There's no restoration without REPENTANCE.
Thank you for the statement. So is Trinity Bible Church currently managing the church discipline process regarding Steve Lawson?
Those questions could be directed to TBC.
my heart is broken over Steve Lawson. This hit hard
NO! Its about Marking and Avoiding WOLVES and HEIRLINGS.
This was no clarification whatsoever, Josh!
It was on behalf of G3. As for Lawsons ex-church, G3 has no place to hold a tribunal.
What do you want pictures ? This is all that needs to be said.
He was NOT a member! David Murill actually contacted & spoke with someone at Trinity Bible Church himself. Steve is now residing in Tennessee & his wife remains in Texas.
@ until Trinity shares that information it’s not our place to share it.
@@CouncilOfDort The problem appears to be they are not going to. They could clear it up quickly, but haven't...
The podcast says that someone who worked at the church confirmed that he is not a member. Also the Elders at Trinity Baptist Church is not handling the Matthew 18 process. Why the Elders not in charge and why they are not clarifying?
It's very confusing. They actually say on the "all things wisdom" podcast, that when they spoke to a staff member at TBC and when the question was asked about whether he was a member that the staff member waffled at the answer. The host then stated, "it was pretty obvious that he wasn't." So, there really isn't much to go on either way. TBC needs to make a statement that states Lawson's position and the status of his membership.
@@PreachingforGodsGloryWhich really makes it sound like he was NOT an elder. If he was, they would have said yes right away.
@@akadwriter Right. That's what's so terrible with the communication regarding this whole thing. If the answer is "no," then an answer will be given but if the answer is "yes" then the question is completely ignored.
@@akadwriter He is definitely was not an elder. The question left is whether he was a member and did he go through a formal membership process.
Why doesn’t Steven Lawson just come out humbly and confess his wrong doing.Many will respect such honest repentance.He seems secretly to condone and justify his sin!
Maybe he is not repentant , sadly. He was forced to confess by the girl’s father. It doesn’t mean he was sorry. Sorry he got caught maybe.
My mind finds it difficult to understand how a man in his position can have a relationship with a woman 50 years younger than himself. That is just so so sick.
Thank you for this announcement I waited for G3's comments concerning Steven Lawson.
Did he fall ? Or was he just exposed as a false sheep ?
Have you ever sinned? As far as I know, there is only one man that was without sin; Jesus Christ. Tell me, does your sin make every truth you've ever told automatically make you false? Why don't you pick up the bible and re-read the words of Christ. Stop gloating over his fall. You will be held accountable for it.
To be frank, I trust you more than I trust Protestia, so if you say TBC has confirmed that the Lawsons are members, I'll believe that. But if that's the case, why have they made no public statement on this or any other question since the initial one? Even if their investigation and disciplinary process are, for the time, private, that's something they could easily clarify, as they could the remainder of his status (and, if reports of that status are correct, why on earth they believed that was a wise arrangement).
But he wasn’t a member according to last statement? Who’s telling the truth?
That's for Trinity to be open on. G3 can only go on what they're told.
@@HearGodsWord Josh is G3 . I’m just so blessed The Lord Steered me away from Reformed doctrine. I actually had to learn about. It’s completely nonsensical. Look what it takes to “ join G3 ministers ! “
Continued prayers for him and his family and the victims and the church. He should be an object lesson to all of us, that any one of us can fall into temptation and sin.
I am learning to never elevate a preacher higher than the three inch platform he stands on!
If the Apostle Peter could deny our Lord Jesus Christ three times, what hope is there for the rest of us? I am saddened by this whole thing, but my hope is not in the Apostle Peter nor in pastor Steve Lawson, neither one of them died for my sins - only Jesus died and rose again to give us eternal life.
The Rev. Billy Graham led countless multitudes of people to the Lord but he’s dead and never saved one soul.
The Apostles and the early church Fathers are all dead and lying in their graves. They never saved anyone! The Old Testament church/saints are all dead and buried, never having saved a single soul.
Stop putting these godly people on ungodly pedestals! There’s only one way of salvation: Jesus Christ.
We pray for his repentance and restoration to the family of faith.
If you truly think it is so bad, why were you so quick to pass judgement on Julie Roys?
Also, how hard would it have been for Trinity to issue a statement when this supposed misinformation came out vs. letting it stay out there for say a week or so? It sure sounds like the Trinity Leadership is inept.
It's now up to Dr. Lawson to address this.
Why must you call him Dr?
He is a Dr. of paedo
I have one question
Did Steve come forward with his sin and that’s how it was discovered, or was he caught in the sin? I think that speaks volumes because if he came forward and was repentant, that’s great but if he was just caught and now he’s not speaking on it , that is truly unfortunate
The information on the internet is that he was “turned in” to the TBC elders. So no, he did not confess on his own.
I think pulling his content was wrong. Steven's past teaching wasn't false because the man fell into sin. His teaching was clearly based on the Word of God. We're all sinners. I refuse to pull his content from my channel here on TH-cam. I believe Steven to be a member of God's people and I believe Steven will deal with his sin, in repentance before the God we all serve. Seeing all these channels pull Steven's content almost instantly and distance themselves from a brother makes me even more leery of these church "businesses" ultimately. Way too much emphasis is put on these church "buildings" and organizations and not enough emphasis put on US, the ACTUAL church and those who need each other, the body of Christ.
I agree. He’s now unfit to be in a teaching position but he’s not disqualified. I think he’s too old for there to be enough time but he could repent and be restored.
If they didn't pull it they'd get even more grief
@@HearGodsWord Grief as a Christian? Oh no...The truth is the truth. No matter how much "grief" you receive.
@@NarrowPathDoctrine yes they'd get grief from people complaining about them platforming a fallen teacher. Not a good look for any ministry
@@HearGodsWord Well, at the end of the day, I stand by what I said in my message and if people think less of my ministry because I still have videos featuring Steven, my brother, then so be it. His teaching didn't all become false because of his falling into sin. We're all sinners.
So was he actually an elder/pastor there or was he paid as a guest speaker? Because this is also significant, not just the membership. Also is he submitting himself to the elders at trinity bible or just off rogue in a different state? I don’t like that video only addressed one of the negative accusations that could be dismissed and not the others that have been brought to the public? I have Steve Lawson books sitting on my bookshelf now, he needs to have some character and humility and publicly address this.
You're asking G3 questions that you could be asking Trinity
I appreciated this message from G3. I don't believe any of the crazy podcasts bashing Steve Lawson. We are all sinners.
Thank you Josh. The wolves and the world jumped on this as they do anything that shows Christ and His church in a negative light. Real Christians should pause and pray. Pause to lead the elders of the church work as God intended. Pray for all involved and praise God because this will turn out for His Glory and Steve’s (and our good). It is easy to fall. Give everyone grace and let the God ordained processes work. I personally believe that Steve is a believer. He only was caught up in his sin and God exposed it. Pray for his repentance. 😊
I would like to extend forgiveness and thank you to Steve Lawson for preaching the word of God. Steve Lawson's Romans Bible Study, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John Bible Study & Sermon on the mount Bible Study are all extremely valuable and edifying for any Christian.
Yes, Steve Lawson did something he shouldn't have. We must pick him up and show him the love of Jesus Christ in our hearts and point to God and steer Steve back to God and true repentance and pray for his family as well.
Thank you for touching my life personally with your passionate heart and love for the word of God.
Checkout these sermons anyone who hasn't had the chance.
1.) Voice of one crying in the wilderness
2.) It will cost you everything
3. The Narrow Way
4.) Worshipping the Triune God
There are so many more that have been impactful in my life!
Also checkout the Bible Studies as well as they will help you to grow in your walk with God.
Thank you Steve Lawson from the bottom of my heart!!
I love your comment. These are my thoughts as well.
I loved listening to his sermons.
The internet is tearing him apart, even from other believers. Yes, what they did was very wrong, but we are all sinners in need of a Savior.
I know my opinion is unpopular, but my heart is breaking for the young woman. She must be overwhelmed with fear of her identity being exposed and what that might mean for her future. I'm sure she is already seeing the wolves on the internet ready to tear her apart.
Young woman, if you're reading this, please know there are plenty of women out here who care about you. We don't look down on you. We're praying for your healing and restoration. If we knew who you are, we would, sisters to sisters, wrap our arms around you and walk with you through this.
Yet there remains something deeply problematic about a Bible teacher who has allied a split to happen, literally a dis-integration within his own heart between his teachings and his practice, between his doctrine and his character. We need to focus as much on character and integrity. It is easier to teach truth than to live in truth. It is easier to pass on the content of faith than it is to live faithfully.
Good grief. Forgive him for what? And, most importantly, where is his REPENTANCE?
Question 1 - What is the deception that allows sin to go unnoticed (3:35) in every Christian alive today, including the speaker in this video?
Question 2 - How did Paul handle sin in the church and what was the motivation behind his actions? Do you see any similarity between Paul's example and how today's church handles similar matters? (I sure don't.)
I appreciate your concern but I wonder why the announcement? Did someone accuse G3 of something?
At this point I'm still convinced that at least some of the information (misinformation?) is possibly, or probably, correct. Was he, or was he not, a pastor and member at Trinity? The website showed him as being the "lead preacher"; kinda weird title. The deafening silence by those who should be speaking seems to be an "uh oh". Being he was platformed for many years, by many entities, before countless thousands of followers, means yes, the people have a right to know. I wasn't a follower of Steve, but was very saddened by the news of his sin. But I have been far more saddened by what seems to be a failure to follow the scriptures, such as 1 Tim 5:20 and, if unrepentant, 1 Cor 5:4-5, as well as the crickets concerning the situation overall. And if he wasn't a member and pastor at Trinity, who knew within his preaching/teaching circle, and if not, why? Memory-holing a person, in and of itself, isn't church discipline. In any case, the elite, celebrity preacher days probably need to come to an end, or maybe God it doing that Himself. I know my thinking has changed considerably on several matters. I hope and pray this comes to a good and known end for the sake of the church and the name of Christ. Patiently waiting...
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Thanks for the clarifying
Load of garbage
Thank you!!
There's no "moving forward" without public repentance from that man. And why is the woman STILL not been named? I can't stand when women are protected just because they are women. As far as the public information I've seen, this was a consensual, adult relationship. She needs to be experiencing the same public shame he is. She can't be allowed to get away with this just because she's female.
Jennifer Martin
Only indirectly named through social media. I heard from EDW
What benefit is there to you in knowing her name? It makes you sound like you're keen for more gossip.
@@cosmictreason2242 That's the problem. I don't want information "indirectly named through social media." I want official information directly from official sources. That means either the person, their church, any ministries they lead or work in, any legal authorities. That type of thing. Leaving things to other people gossiping on social media is part of the problem with these types of situations.
@@Yesica1993 what makes a source official? Thank goodness God didn't require the apostles to get official declarations from Herod, Pilate or the Sanhedrin affirming that Jesus has risen, before they could go and preach the resurrection
@@Yesica1993 I'm content to believe that the information has come from church members who know who she is
Pulling beautiful sound doctrine because of a sin is ridiculous! Leave the content alone and discipline the man.
If they left the content up they'd have complaints of platforming him
It's OK, I've already responded to this situation.
No-one asked.
@@HearGodsWord Nobody had to.
@@truthspeller3279 because nobody asked for your response
@@HearGodsWord If you notice, in my original comment i wasn't asking a question either. So why are you responding to me since I didn't ask... Hypocrite.. I went to your channel and I know why you're antagonizing me and that's because you are a perpetuator of a false gospel with false teachers.
Those that are according to the flesh always persecute those according to the Spirit.
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.)
Go ahead and depart from me. I no longer have any concern for what you have to say.