Hi Exeter Rider,love your channel,very interesting, met you once,it was good to have a chat with you,I own a cfmoto Mt 650, I totally agree when you said poor dealer back up,it's a shame as I love my bike,owned it from new 6years ago,never let me down,look forward to chatting with you again,great work. Roders
Hi Rodders , Good to hear from you ...Yes I remember you, I am right in saying you're wife rides as well right? I'm glad your 650 is running well, thats good....My mate enjoyed his untill it saterted to go wrong but you have been lucky there...I sat on his and they are quite heavy arn't they. Thanks for coming back to watch this. Ride safe Steve
I test rode one and Thought it was as comfortable a bike as I have ridden. The way I think of buying a new brand like this though is to give it a couple of years, it will be 2 grand cheaper, problems will become apparent if any and you'll still have 2 years warranty left. Lots of people only keep a bike a couple of years even if they are brilliant, we all think the next bike is our forever one. Used with 2or 3000 miles I think is always the best value for money.
Good Video, thanks for posting. Just to balance reliability concerns somewhat, it's probably worth noting that these come with a 4 year warranty in the UK.
Great review Steve. I think if you get one and accept what you're getting, the it's probably a bargain. The spec levels on them is amazing. That fuelling is a common problem with them apparently. I'm interested to see the Voge DSX900 when it arrives over here.
I bought a new Kawasaki few years ago and it was delivered to me, the left mirror came loose after 3 miles of riding, at that point I checked all the nuts and bolts I could to be sure. Cfmoto have hit the market with amazing specs for less than the competition and only time will tell on reliability. The only thing that would stop me buying one of these is that the Suzuki vstrom 800re can be picked up for around £1200 more.
You make a cery good point there...The Suzuki RE is a brilliant bike....Yes I'm sure it was a case of tighting up the bolts on the mirrors...I guess i was surprised that wasnt checked...no biggy....You get a lot for that £1200 more I must admit
I did a bmw demo day ride a couple weeks ago. The first bike I demoed was the bmw 1000XR. The left side mirror was loose. Took a couple minutes for me to button it down and adjust. It happens. That bike is amazing. It gets up and goes in every gear. 40 mph in 6th gear…open her up…gone.
Another nice honest opinion there Mike. It's a twin, so now we have a Chinese bike with twice the number of parts you won't be able to get for eight months when something breaks. Sounds like progress to me ! 😂 I suspect that you might be right about the manufacturing tolerances not being up to other brands' spec. The Chinese are still finding their feet with these things. I'm sure that they will improve the quality of their motorcycles significantly in the next few years. Many of us wouldn't consider this bike, for the reasons that you mentioned. With an entry level MT 800 costing eight grand, depreciation becomes a REAL concern. I think that somebody could easily buy one of these, ride it for a year, not really get on with it and then have to drop the price to five grand or lower to get rid of the thing. Losing three grand in one year is a BIG hit. I still can't change my opinion that Chinese bikes are currently really only worth considering at the learner end of the scale. If you need to buy a 125 for a year or two until you pass your test and can get something bigger, then by all means buy the Chinese 125 that takes your fancy. Because of the low initial price, when you sell it on in a couple of years, you won't stand to lose much money. But the more expensive these Chinese bikes get, the more concerning the depreciation becomes ! I'm sure that this is another capable bike and one which many people would be happy with. But you have to ask yourself, is buying one of these a WISE decision ? Probably not. Like you, I think it is a risky decision. Eight grand takes some earning and I'd rather earn another two grand and go out and buy a Honda, knowing that a large chunk of that ten grand is still going to be in the bike when it is a couple of years old. Cheers Mike, thanks for taking the time and as ever, for being totally honest with everybody ! Norbert and Maisie in Provence.
Hi Steve, Thanks for coming to my channel, I hope you will subscribe if you like what you see. Depreciation is always a issue with these bikes isnt it as it is with many other brands. infact even with RE in recent years tbh You are right for the learner end with limited budget they make a lot of sense, In your country with mainly dust roads and desert like terrain it would be a good test. Someone made a relevant point the other day where they said for another £1200 you can get a Suzuki RE. I know what i would do. Hope you're well over there and I appreciate you using google translate to my lingo. Thanks Maisie
@@exeterrider 🙂👍🏻 God save Google Translate. Without it, my English is just about good enough to ascertain that you apparently live in Exmouth and that you are a biker. Therefore I am somewhat surprised to see that you've named your channel Exeter Rider, and not Exmouth Biker, presumably due to some privacy concerns you must have. Whatever you do, don't do a live show with that Economical Roads bloke or all of your privacy will go right out of the window mon ami. He's a bad one he is. Watching the crap on Economical Roads channel makes me realise just how good this Exmouth Biker channel of yours is ! Salut ! Jean Jaques en Cannes.
Emissions laws are a pain. I liked the bike Ivan...it had a lot to offer, no offence meant with the rest of it my friend. You are doing a lot for CF...I hope they appreciate it.
Great review with good information regarding the bike. I will stick to my Hondas. But do agree if the reliability was better makes a good bike to put on your list. Maybe they will improve in time, but I Think the price will also rise. Cheers
You pays your money, to takes your choice. But better to do it with eyes wide open. You’ll have helped prospective buyers to get acquainted with the market and that’s important. Much better than certain channels where everything is rosy
The best advice is to take a test ride. Peak power is just a number. Daytona is pegged at 95PS to qualify for European A2 license restriction. The Daytona mid range is something else. I would be sorely tempted by the RS660’s suspension though.
On looks i prefer their MT450 model,but as you said Steve £8000ish for a brand new 1 of these is actually pretty decent in todays market! 👍 I give your vid 9/10 &;would have been 10/10 if you'd used the cruise control,so you didn't slow down too much for the high 5 at the end! 😮🤣😂✌️ My F850GS has cruise,but was an added factory extra & still not used it! 😉👍
The cruise on your 850 read one of my main draws to it. It's a nice thing to have. That bloke on the gate is such a dude. I high five him on nearly every ride🤣✋✋
It's comparatively cheap for a new bike, but for 8k you can get one hell of a bike just a few years old from other makes. The other bonus with buying a quality used bike is that the teething troubles have usually been sorted and very often has quite a few add on accessories that we all spend a fortune on.
Interesting review mate, after my Sym 125 which is not a Chinese bike but made in Taiwan had issues but after i got those sorted i really liked the bike. Its really sad they dont sell them here anymore but i think that's one of the points you made. We dont know whats its going to be like until a decade down the line. With so many fly by night brands from China area ive got no confidence or would buy a bike like that, but have heared they are moving production to other countries to get sway from their bad inage. One point that i think deserves a mention is the resale. After getting my 3500 ish 125 after 6 months i was offered 800 quid. I don't imagine much resale value and people potentially taking a loss. I would never touch a Chinese bike, prefer proven reliability and when a dealer says 'its a cheap shit bike what did you expect' and fobs you off im put off for life. Free Tibet 🙏
Valid points raised in the video, it being made in China wouldn't necessarily put me off buying one, but I wouldn't buy new. I'd look for a low mileage used example assuming that there aren't any horror stories regarding reliability. There is a lot of bike for the money, just like the Benelli and Voge ranges.
@@MotoXplor thanks for looking it up. I do live 3000 miles away from California, but what happens there, happens on the east cost in about 5 years. Lol Virginia also did not have a local RE dealer that was less the 300 miles away, until last year. Lol and I found it on accident!
@@BlakesPipes The search is based on location. I just typed in New York and 10 popped up around there. Go to CF Moto USA and enter your location. Maybe there is something close to you.
Hi Steve it's Roders,my wife unfortunately doesn't ride but allows me out with my mates twice a week👍what a brill wife,,yes I count my self lucky regards my bike I am so close to up grading to mt800 but Abit scared I guess👀 anyway,,I say look after ur bike and keep it if you love it,Abit like you with bmw!! All good see you sometime 👍👍👍
@@seanobrien5520 ok,in answer to your question,no I,m not joking,my wife is my best friend,she is pleased I,m doing something I enjoy and supports me,I say again a brill wife. I don't think I need to explain myself to you anymore as my message was aimed for Exeter Rider.
nicely done. Funny how we are unsure about some Chinese products whilst surrounded by them in every day life, probably in part due to the endless amount of Chinese shite on amazon, TEMU etc and we've all seen the dodgy adverts with the AI voice telling the story of Jack the college kid or the ex employee of "X" big tech firm that reverse engineered something which is causing a stir and you can buy one for £19.99 or that DJI Mavic they show in all the shots for £99 and when the poor mug buys one it's a £5 knock-off. Strong points: Price Spec Looks pretty smart Cruise control Bad points: see above paragraph 😅
You like it, yet you don't, a fair assessment you tell it as you see it and that's fair enough. Like you I'm a Honda fan boy but specking the Transalp to what the Moto offers might well cost you quite a bit more than 2 grand.
Thanks mate, I think the Honda gives the same for more money doesn't it, unless brain fog is kicking in...the only thing the Trans lacks is cruise...but the suspension, engine and all that goes with it is worth the extra....or even the Suzuki 800 DE at another £1200 or so is another option.
I see you’ve got a bit more flak for telling the story as it is, ER. It’s the old adage about not being able to please everybody all of the time. I suppose you’d be slated by others if you gave a glowing report on a machine that was notoriously problematic even if it didn’t present any problems when you tested it. A truthful review is what the punter is looking for. It does not compel him to buy or reject the product and only offers an opinion. I have a friend in Kingsteignton who late last year purchased the model of bike you have just reviewed and has had nothing but trouble with it. That alone would be enough to put me off buying a CF Moto.
Yeap, shame really, I like the way the bike rides but there is more to it than that as we all know. It shares the same engine as the KTM 890 so hopfully it will be OK but time will tell. Thanks for your time watching 👍
@@exeterrider it does, but I bought a Honda nc750s which came with the full honda luggage and the ingenious fitting system is both extremely effective and very unobtrusive when removed, so I tend to measure others by this yardstick 👍🏻
no, rotax was bought by bombardier ; yeah , your right - why not filter thru the traffic ?? whats the point of being on a bike and parking behind cars ??
At the moment we have a choice to by a bike not made in China. RE and the BSA in India. Honda make the 500cc engines in Thailand, not sure if the whole bike range is there. And various other manufacturers make bixe in other countries. Here's the thing tho. There was a time when a camera, tv or whatever you care to mention wasn't only made in China. There was a choice but in the end most of what we buy is made in China. Will there be a time, possibly in the next few years, when nearly all the motorcycle manufacturers will throw their lot into production in China and then our choice goes out of the window?
You make a good point, I hope not tbh, and with what is going on in the world it wouldn't be a good idea. British industry is swamped in red tape, it needs to be cut away so the passionate geniuses can start innovating again.
@@exeterrider I don't think red tape will be cut under the current red brigade any more than the blue brigade cut any of it. I wonder if Chinese manufacturers have to adhere to work place health and safety laws, diversity fulfilment, company pensions or have similar business rates on anything. I think highly unlikely.
@@exeterrider you’ve got no faith in cf moto because of two friends that have had issues. How are we expected to have faith with your reviews with that mind set already in place. Your 450 review had that tarnish all the way through it. For me that review was about cf moto and not the bike 👍🏿
@@desmiller4764 it was both mate, I thought that was clear, the bike will take time to produce the fruit, it wasnt just 2 friends, I'm signed up to forums as well and been on them for 2 years now. Many have got rid after issues. It's not my fault 🤷🏻
Bloody hell mate …. You must of had a right dodgy weekend. I watched both your reviews of the 450 and the 800 and really not up to your usual standard . You sound like you lost a pound and found a penny!!!!
Sorry!😕I said the good and the not so good, I'm not sure what you want me to say. I can't say it's the best thing since sliced bread? It had good and not so good points 😐 I thought I praised the bike but that's not the whole story for someone who will be buying one.
Not one off your best videos reviews. I have one 14,000 miles in 6 months, I’ve none of your issues you’re having on mine! Go and get one for a few weeks and do a proper test!!
That is a fantastic and very well balanced review. Credit where due Exeter Rider. Beautiful bike and a brilliant package. Also the flaws are there so people know exactly what they are signing up for. I also love the length of your videos. They cover just about the right stuff and keep the interest irked on. Must be hard yakka making these so kudos to you.
You have issues with this bike because you have heard from other people ...? It seems that you follow other peoples comments and really can not discern for yourself. I have owned many other brands and depreciation is terrible on them all. Look at your initial investment, what they offer, 5 year warranty (Canada) and do your math again, they absolutely make sense. If you are buying motorcycles as an investment, you need a better financial advisor, these are for pure fun/enjoyment. YOU have an issue with it being Chinese, you go back and forth, you liked the bike but keep circling back to it being Chinese, a poor investment, and MAY have reliability issues, lol! People in the comment section, get out and ride one, look at it and talk to owners before you blindly follow this review.
Nope not true....this engine shares the same engine as the KTM 790 which has notorious camshaft snapping issues which at one point KTM wouldn't offer the warranty work for.....having friends who have had that very KTM and CF motos before now ( 5 people) they all had issues and no way will go back to cf moto or KTM. They ALL had issues and got rid. CF moto here are very new importers and its not good so far...the CF450 has sold out when this video was made ...but there were only 15 in the country and none now until April 2025 so if you think I can recommend a bike that you can't get parts for (even if you could get a bike) then no chance.......as you can see I liked the bike as far as it goes but there is more to it than that! And I'm not recommending a bike that has no backbone of dealership here and previous underlying issues. No point having a 5 year warranty if they cant get the parts for at least 3 months or till 2025.
@@exeterrider Again you have failed to advise me or your followers correctly, all of the affected 790 engines were manufactured in Austria by KTM. CF Moto was not and is not included with that camshaft issue. As for parts availability in your country I can not comment, but there is a positive change coming for consumers. All other brands better pay attention or they will find themselves with dealerships full of overpriced bikes that the masses can not afford or justify when compared. I can purchased a used 2022 - 2023 BMW GS 1250 Adventure, fully optioned, with 6 - 10k KM in Canada for $25k, when it's new price was $40k OTD .... is this a good investment? And yes, all other brands suffer the same fate. Waiting 3 months for parts has happened to every motorcycle brand and is only fair when you mention that fact. If it's a common part, (i.e. clutch lever, oil change kit, handle bars, etc.) they are readily available, but if your transmission piles up yes, I would expect some wait time no matter the brand. I have a new GMC truck that has been waiting for 10 weeks now for transmission parts, still no resolve and a dealer update claiming another 2 weeks out! If 15 bikes, in an entire country is the market, this won't be of any concern - even if all 15 had massive failures, but I suspect a great deal more than the 15 lucky people are looking at this purchase and are hopefully waiting with deposits for 2025's to roll through the doors. And that BS about the bike being loose, really, were you riding on a gravel surface, lol! Check your tires or tighten the steering stem bolt but it's not a bike design flaw as you lead people to believe. All I suggest is that you try to be fair, cost effective options for this sport should be welcomed as they help open the door for enthusiasts. Chinese manufactures are shining a bright light on dated, overpriced offerings from their competition and those owners may be getting concerned/worried about their investment and/or choice (with respect).
The KTM 790 engine is made by cf moto in China to my knowledge... When I said about it being loose I was talking about the engine not the bike sliding around..... Tolerances seem looser than a Honda for example. There is no excuse for waiting for parts, again if one of the 15 fail and they can't get parts for 6months which is when the next big shipment is to the UK. It's not good enough.
@@exeterrider You are going to dig your heels in on this and that's fine, we are all entitled to our opinions through experiences. I have not heard of owners waiting 6 months for parts (sounds a bit dramatic to me) but there may be increased wait times for very specific parts, this could be a reality for your region (15 bike market may not be a top priority or dealer's risking $$ in inventory that may not required - makes good business sense). But motor parts are KTM and hopefully available to you if required. But I for one can not justify the additional costs associated with any brand name manufacturer charging their overinflated prices knowing the Chinese are manufacturing many of their parts and claiming it as their own (KTM, BMW and Triumph specifically). Just wait for the Voge DS 900 X to start making it's mark too, they will take another small piece of the new market segment ... I guess my many trips to "Tim Hortons" (coffee shops in Canada) will eventually add up to some reliable mileage and eventually I might trust it enough to attempt crossing the continent of Africa, lol! Thanks for your response, I enjoyed the discussion and your perspective.
@phildolecki2598 yes I'm a fan of the VOGE brand. I think they are going to be a force on the market. I Jane worked with them before and the bikes ride will and the finish on them is really good. All the best 👍
How very dare you Tell the Truth!!! I don't watch TH-cam to hear the Truth!! Definitely won't buy one now. Wasn't going to anyway. Unsubscribed! ( You'd be lucky 🤣🤣🤣)
In America, we tariff commies. I seem to remember the English also disapprove of fascist regimes. One should make efforts to be consistent in life. Either you approve of the Commies and therefore trade with them, or you dont and therefore shouldnt do business with them. Your integrity is in question. Example, unsubscribing, because now by helping you im helping them and thats not ok.
What an odd opinion. You don't like commies and advocate not trading with them, but America does trade with the Chinese and makes a bit of extra cash at it by applyiong tariffs. The Chinese have their fingers into everything and unfortunately there's nothing anybody, including the USA, can do about it. Exeter Rider, as a reviewer, was giving his opinion on the bike. He does not influence UK government trade policy nor is he a sales representative for Chinese companies.
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A breath of fresh air ER.
I agree with your comments. Keep up your good work please.
@@Paul-67 will do, thanks Paul 👍
You know my opinion of buying Chinese bikes. Your reviews are still of huge value and appreciated.
Yes I do mate, I'm coming inline with your way of thinking more these days 👍
A really nice alternative for those that can't afford a Honda or Suzuki....... 😇
Agreed😂
Hi Exeter Rider,love your channel,very interesting, met you once,it was good to have a chat with you,I own a cfmoto Mt 650, I totally agree when you said poor dealer back up,it's a shame as I love my bike,owned it from new 6years ago,never let me down,look forward to chatting with you again,great work. Roders
Hi Rodders , Good to hear from you ...Yes I remember you, I am right in saying you're wife rides as well right?
I'm glad your 650 is running well, thats good....My mate enjoyed his untill it saterted to go wrong but you have been lucky there...I sat on his and they are quite heavy arn't they.
Thanks for coming back to watch this.
Ride safe Steve
Good advice there Steve👍👍
Thanks 🙏👍
An honest review. Love it.
Always! Thanks bud : )
Thanks for taking us along for the ride
Cheers Noob
Another great honest review! Top man 👏🏻
Thanks! 👍
I test rode one and Thought it was as comfortable a bike as I have ridden. The way I think of buying a new brand like this though is to give it a couple of years, it will be 2 grand cheaper, problems will become apparent if any and you'll still have 2 years warranty left. Lots of people only keep a bike a couple of years even if they are brilliant, we all think the next bike is our forever one. Used with 2or 3000 miles I think is always the best value for money.
I agree .
Good Video, thanks for posting. Just to balance reliability concerns somewhat, it's probably worth noting that these come with a 4 year warranty in the UK.
Yes, but it has been known for parts to take up to 3 months to arrive👍
@@exeterrider Ouch! Hopefully, that'll get better if/when they establish themselves through the KTM dealerships. Did you borrow this one from SP?
@@bm549 No, CF MOTO direct at ABR👍
Nice review here mate
Thanks mate, just a ride really but I covered what I could 👍😎
@@exeterrider there not a bad bike on the road now really is there
Great review Steve. I think if you get one and accept what you're getting, the it's probably a bargain. The spec levels on them is amazing. That fuelling is a common problem with them apparently. I'm interested to see the Voge DSX900 when it arrives over here.
Yes I take interest in the VOGE as well...not sure when its coming but looks quite good
I bought a new Kawasaki few years ago and it was delivered to me, the left mirror came loose after 3 miles of riding, at that point I checked all the nuts and bolts I could to be sure. Cfmoto have hit the market with amazing specs for less than the competition and only time will tell on reliability. The only thing that would stop me buying one of these is that the Suzuki vstrom 800re can be picked up for around £1200 more.
You make a cery good point there...The Suzuki RE is a brilliant bike....Yes I'm sure it was a case of tighting up the bolts on the mirrors...I guess i was surprised that wasnt checked...no biggy....You get a lot for that £1200 more I must admit
I did a bmw demo day ride a couple weeks ago. The first bike I demoed was the bmw 1000XR. The left side mirror was loose. Took a couple minutes for me to button it down and adjust. It happens. That bike is amazing. It gets up and goes in every gear. 40 mph in 6th gear…open her up…gone.
Another nice honest opinion there Mike.
It's a twin, so now we have a Chinese bike with twice the number of parts you won't be able to get for eight months when something breaks. Sounds like progress to me ! 😂
I suspect that you might be right about the manufacturing tolerances not being up to other brands' spec. The Chinese are still finding their feet with these things. I'm sure that they will improve the quality of their motorcycles significantly in the next few years.
Many of us wouldn't consider this bike, for the reasons that you mentioned.
With an entry level MT 800 costing eight grand, depreciation becomes a REAL concern. I think that somebody could easily buy one of these, ride it for a year, not really get on with it and then have to drop the price to five grand or lower to get rid of the thing. Losing three grand in one year is a BIG hit.
I still can't change my opinion that Chinese bikes are currently really only worth considering at the learner end of the scale. If you need to buy a 125 for a year or two until you pass your test and can get something bigger, then by all means buy the Chinese 125 that takes your fancy. Because of the low initial price, when you sell it on in a couple of years, you won't stand to lose much money. But the more expensive these Chinese bikes get, the more concerning the depreciation becomes !
I'm sure that this is another capable bike and one which many people would be happy with.
But you have to ask yourself, is buying one of these a WISE decision ? Probably not. Like you, I think it is a risky decision. Eight grand takes some earning and I'd rather earn another two grand and go out and buy a Honda, knowing that a large chunk of that ten grand is still going to be in the bike when it is a couple of years old.
Cheers Mike, thanks for taking the time and as ever, for being totally honest with everybody !
Norbert and Maisie in Provence.
Hi Steve, Thanks for coming to my channel, I hope you will subscribe if you like what you see.
Depreciation is always a issue with these bikes isnt it as it is with many other brands. infact even with RE in recent years tbh
You are right for the learner end with limited budget they make a lot of sense, In your country with mainly dust roads and desert like terrain it would be a good test. Someone made a relevant point the other day where they said for another £1200 you can get a Suzuki RE. I know what i would do.
Hope you're well over there and I appreciate you using google translate to my lingo.
Thanks Maisie
@@exeterrider 🙂👍🏻
God save Google Translate.
Without it, my English is just about good enough to ascertain that you apparently live in Exmouth and that you are a biker.
Therefore I am somewhat surprised to see that you've named your channel Exeter Rider, and not Exmouth Biker, presumably due to some privacy concerns you must have.
Whatever you do, don't do a live show with that Economical Roads bloke or all of your privacy will go right out of the window mon ami. He's a bad one he is.
Watching the crap on Economical Roads channel makes me realise just how good this Exmouth Biker channel of yours is !
Salut !
Jean Jaques en Cannes.
Your right, he's trying to make me do things that will disable my voice and make me cry.
He's a wrongen😂👍
Love my 800MT Explore but you are right about the fueling. An updated map be on the way at some point to counter act the emission laws in the UK
Emissions laws are a pain. I liked the bike Ivan...it had a lot to offer, no offence meant with the rest of it my friend.
You are doing a lot for CF...I hope they appreciate it.
Great review with good information regarding the bike. I will stick to my Hondas. But do agree if the reliability was better makes a good bike to put on your list. Maybe they will improve in time, but I Think the price will also rise. Cheers
Very true! The low (ish) price is one of the main points of this bike 👍
You pays your money, to takes your choice. But better to do it with eyes wide open. You’ll have helped prospective buyers to get acquainted with the market and that’s important. Much better than certain channels where everything is rosy
Hopefully I have given potential buyers the full spectrum of things to consider . Thanks
The best advice is to take a test ride. Peak power is just a number. Daytona is pegged at 95PS to qualify for European A2 license restriction. The Daytona mid range is something else. I would be sorely tempted by the RS660’s suspension though.
Yeap, I'm sure whoever test rode it will enjoy it, it's nice to ride👍
@@exeterrider 🤣 that's what happens when you post a comment on a tiny phone screen while walking the dog. Completely the wrong video!
😂😂I had no idea what was going on there 😂I have done similar many times 😂😂
On looks i prefer their MT450 model,but as you said Steve £8000ish for a brand new 1 of these is actually pretty decent in todays market! 👍
I give your vid 9/10 &;would have been 10/10 if you'd used the cruise control,so you didn't slow down too much for the high 5 at the end! 😮🤣😂✌️
My F850GS has cruise,but was an added factory extra & still not used it! 😉👍
The cruise on your 850 read one of my main draws to it. It's a nice thing to have.
That bloke on the gate is such a dude. I high five him on nearly every ride🤣✋✋
i bought a benelli trk 702 i love it apart from the slow speed fueling its very jerky.
Yes again they have proved themselves. Bennelli I find have stood the test of time 👍
It's comparatively cheap for a new bike, but for 8k you can get one hell of a bike just a few years old from other makes. The other bonus with buying a quality used bike is that the teething troubles have usually been sorted and very often has quite a few add on accessories that we all spend a fortune on.
With the secondhand market as it is, you're right ,it gives you many solid options.
Interesting review mate, after my Sym 125 which is not a Chinese bike but made in Taiwan had issues but after i got those sorted i really liked the bike. Its really sad they dont sell them here anymore but i think that's one of the points you made. We dont know whats its going to be like until a decade down the line. With so many fly by night brands from China area ive got no confidence or would buy a bike like that, but have heared they are moving production to other countries to get sway from their bad inage. One point that i think deserves a mention is the resale. After getting my 3500 ish 125 after 6 months i was offered 800 quid. I don't imagine much resale value and people potentially taking a loss. I would never touch a Chinese bike, prefer proven reliability and when a dealer says 'its a cheap shit bike what did you expect' and fobs you off im put off for life. Free Tibet 🙏
Yes re-sale is hit and miss with Chinese bikes it seems. Time will tell...
Valid points raised in the video, it being made in China wouldn't necessarily put me off buying one, but I wouldn't buy new. I'd look for a low mileage used example assuming that there aren't any horror stories regarding reliability. There is a lot of bike for the money, just like the Benelli and Voge ranges.
Yeap, if it works out then that will be really good, time will tell.
Thanks for you're time watching.
watched the entire video, but i can not find a CFMoto here in the states yet. but i will guess, give it time!
I think they are in many states, only a matter of time I expect 👍
10 dealers in California, I don't see them anywhere else. According to CF Moto USA website.
@@MotoXplor thanks for looking it up. I do live 3000 miles away from California, but what happens there, happens on the east cost in about 5 years. Lol Virginia also did not have a local RE dealer that was less the 300 miles away, until last year. Lol and I found it on accident!
@@BlakesPipes The search is based on location. I just typed in New York and 10 popped up around there. Go to CF Moto USA and enter your location. Maybe there is something close to you.
Hi Steve it's Roders,my wife unfortunately doesn't ride but allows me out with my mates twice a week👍what a brill wife,,yes I count my self lucky regards my bike I am so close to up grading to mt800 but Abit scared I guess👀 anyway,,I say look after ur bike and keep it if you love it,Abit like you with bmw!! All good see you sometime 👍👍👍
I seriously hope ur joking 😂😂😂
@@seanobrien5520you either sent this reply to wrong person or if it was intended for me,please explain yourself as I don't get what your saying!!!!!!
@@RodHawkins-i1l you praise your wife for "allowing" you out with your mates twice a week 😀,, so funny 🤣
@@seanobrien5520 ok,in answer to your question,no I,m not joking,my wife is my best friend,she is pleased I,m doing something I enjoy and supports me,I say again a brill wife. I don't think I need to explain myself to you anymore as my message was aimed for Exeter Rider.
nicely done. Funny how we are unsure about some Chinese products whilst surrounded by them in every day life, probably in part due to the endless amount of Chinese shite on amazon, TEMU etc and we've all seen the dodgy adverts with the AI voice telling the story of Jack the college kid or the ex employee of "X" big tech firm that reverse engineered something which is causing a stir and you can buy one for £19.99 or that DJI Mavic they show in all the shots for £99 and when the poor mug buys one it's a £5 knock-off.
Strong points:
Price
Spec
Looks pretty smart
Cruise control
Bad points:
see above paragraph 😅
Thanks mate, yes it's been a controversial one, I said the good and not so good but some folk don't want to hear it.... What can you do?!
Almost scared to say that’s a good review, but what the hell….. it was😂. Plenty of positives but like I’ve said before no dealers anywhere near me.
Yes no dealership, no purchase. Shame for those that would want to buy one
You like it, yet you don't, a fair assessment you tell it as you see it and that's fair enough. Like you I'm a Honda fan boy but specking the Transalp to what the Moto offers might well cost you quite a bit more than 2 grand.
Thanks mate, I think the Honda gives the same for more money doesn't it, unless brain fog is kicking in...the only thing the Trans lacks is cruise...but the suspension, engine and all that goes with it is worth the extra....or even the Suzuki 800 DE at another £1200 or so is another option.
For the money it cost. you can get a SWM v1200 Strombreaker and be happy 😀
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I see you’ve got a bit more flak for telling the story as it is, ER. It’s the old adage about not being able to please everybody all of the time.
I suppose you’d be slated by others if you gave a glowing report on a machine that was notoriously problematic even if it didn’t present any problems when you tested it.
A truthful review is what the punter is looking for. It does not compel him to buy or reject the product and only offers an opinion.
I have a friend in Kingsteignton who late last year purchased the model of bike you have just reviewed and has had nothing but trouble with it. That alone would be enough to put me off buying a CF Moto.
Yeap, shame really, I like the way the bike rides but there is more to it than that as we all know.
It shares the same engine as the KTM 890 so hopfully it will be OK but time will tell.
Thanks for your time watching 👍
8:40 don't like the look of those racks without the cases it looks like a scaffolders nightmare, especially in sliver 🤔
Yes good point, on the plus side, at least it's come ready to mount the boxes 👍
@@exeterrider it does, but I bought a Honda nc750s which came with the full honda luggage and the ingenious fitting system is both extremely effective and very unobtrusive when removed, so I tend to measure others by this yardstick 👍🏻
@@kevindarkstar makes sense 👍
no, rotax was bought by bombardier ; yeah , your right - why not filter thru the traffic ?? whats the point of being on a bike and parking behind cars ??
At the moment we have a choice to by a bike not made in China. RE and the BSA in India. Honda make the 500cc engines in Thailand, not sure if the whole bike range is there. And various other manufacturers make bixe in other countries. Here's the thing tho. There was a time when a camera, tv or whatever you care to mention wasn't only made in China. There was a choice but in the end most of what we buy is made in China. Will there be a time, possibly in the next few years, when nearly all the motorcycle manufacturers will throw their lot into production in China and then our choice goes out of the window?
You make a good point, I hope not tbh, and with what is going on in the world it wouldn't be a good idea.
British industry is swamped in red tape, it needs to be cut away so the passionate geniuses can start innovating again.
@@exeterrider I don't think red tape will be cut under the current red brigade any more than the blue brigade cut any of it. I wonder if Chinese manufacturers have to adhere to work place health and safety laws, diversity fulfilment, company pensions or have similar business rates on anything. I think highly unlikely.
Exactly different world there, very pro business instead of pro "net zero" which is killing UK business @@simonchilli2088
Isn’t voge Chinese ?
Yeap that's my point there 👍
@@exeterrider you’ve got no faith in cf moto because of two friends that have had issues. How are we expected to have faith with your reviews with that mind set already in place. Your 450 review had that tarnish all the way through it. For me that review was about cf moto and not the bike 👍🏿
@@desmiller4764 it was both mate, I thought that was clear, the bike will take time to produce the fruit, it wasnt just 2 friends, I'm signed up to forums as well and been on them for 2 years now. Many have got rid after issues. It's not my fault 🤷🏻
@@exeterrider thanks for the lnfo ride safe 👍🏿
Bloody hell mate …. You must of had a right dodgy weekend. I watched both your reviews of the 450 and the 800 and really not up to your usual standard . You sound like you lost a pound and found a penny!!!!
Sorry!😕I said the good and the not so good, I'm not sure what you want me to say.
I can't say it's the best thing since sliced bread? It had good and not so good points 😐
I thought I praised the bike but that's not the whole story for someone who will be buying one.
I thought that he was pretty upbeat given what he was riding..... 🤭
you never looked finer than when you were on the orange street bob harley ,, put that in just to upset you , - hope s73 has a chukkle
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Not one off your best videos reviews. I have one 14,000 miles in 6 months, I’ve none of your issues you’re having on mine! Go and get one for a few weeks and do a proper test!!
That's good I hope it stays that way 👍I liked the bike, I hope that came across👍
Please don’t tell the truth😂😂😂
@@volt8684 😂😂😂gave me a chuckle..... Again🤣👍
That is a fantastic and very well balanced review. Credit where due Exeter Rider. Beautiful bike and a brilliant package. Also the flaws are there so people know exactly what they are signing up for. I also love the length of your videos. They cover just about the right stuff and keep the interest irked on. Must be hard yakka making these so kudos to you.
Thanks very much...Yes TH-cam is a grind but I enjoy it : )
You have issues with this bike because you have heard from other people ...? It seems that you follow other peoples comments and really can not discern for yourself. I have owned many other brands and depreciation is terrible on them all. Look at your initial investment, what they offer, 5 year warranty (Canada) and do your math again, they absolutely make sense. If you are buying motorcycles as an investment, you need a better financial advisor, these are for pure fun/enjoyment. YOU have an issue with it being Chinese, you go back and forth, you liked the bike but keep circling back to it being Chinese, a poor investment, and MAY have reliability issues, lol! People in the comment section, get out and ride one, look at it and talk to owners before you blindly follow this review.
Nope not true....this engine shares the same engine as the KTM 790 which has notorious camshaft snapping issues which at one point KTM wouldn't offer the warranty work for.....having friends who have had that very KTM and CF motos before now ( 5 people) they all had issues and no way will go back to cf moto or KTM. They ALL had issues and got rid.
CF moto here are very new importers and its not good so far...the CF450 has sold out when this video was made ...but there were only 15 in the country and none now until April 2025 so if you think I can recommend a bike that you can't get parts for (even if you could get a bike) then no chance.......as you can see I liked the bike as far as it goes but there is more to it than that! And I'm not recommending a bike that has no backbone of dealership here and previous underlying issues.
No point having a 5 year warranty if they cant get the parts for at least 3 months or till 2025.
@@exeterrider Again you have failed to advise me or your followers correctly, all of the affected 790 engines were manufactured in Austria by KTM. CF Moto was not and is not included with that camshaft issue. As for parts availability in your country I can not comment, but there is a positive change coming for consumers. All other brands better pay attention or they will find themselves with dealerships full of overpriced bikes that the masses can not afford or justify when compared.
I can purchased a used 2022 - 2023 BMW GS 1250 Adventure, fully optioned, with 6 - 10k KM in Canada for $25k, when it's new price was $40k OTD .... is this a good investment? And yes, all other brands suffer the same fate.
Waiting 3 months for parts has happened to every motorcycle brand and is only fair when you mention that fact. If it's a common part, (i.e. clutch lever, oil change kit, handle bars, etc.) they are readily available, but if your transmission piles up yes, I would expect some wait time no matter the brand. I have a new GMC truck that has been waiting for 10 weeks now for transmission parts, still no resolve and a dealer update claiming another 2 weeks out!
If 15 bikes, in an entire country is the market, this won't be of any concern - even if all 15 had massive failures, but I suspect a great deal more than the 15 lucky people are looking at this purchase and are hopefully waiting with deposits for 2025's to roll through the doors. And that BS about the bike being loose, really, were you riding on a gravel surface, lol! Check your tires or tighten the steering stem bolt but it's not a bike design flaw as you lead people to believe.
All I suggest is that you try to be fair, cost effective options for this sport should be welcomed as they help open the door for enthusiasts. Chinese manufactures are shining a bright light on dated, overpriced offerings from their competition and those owners may be getting concerned/worried about their investment and/or choice (with respect).
The KTM 790 engine is made by cf moto in China to my knowledge...
When I said about it being loose I was talking about the engine not the bike sliding around..... Tolerances seem looser than a Honda for example.
There is no excuse for waiting for parts, again if one of the 15 fail and they can't get parts for 6months which is when the next big shipment is to the UK. It's not good enough.
@@exeterrider You are going to dig your heels in on this and that's fine, we are all entitled to our opinions through experiences. I have not heard of owners waiting 6 months for parts (sounds a bit dramatic to me) but there may be increased wait times for very specific parts, this could be a reality for your region (15 bike market may not be a top priority or dealer's risking $$ in inventory that may not required - makes good business sense). But motor parts are KTM and hopefully available to you if required. But I for one can not justify the additional costs associated with any brand name manufacturer charging their overinflated prices knowing the Chinese are manufacturing many of their parts and claiming it as their own (KTM, BMW and Triumph specifically). Just wait for the Voge DS 900 X to start making it's mark too, they will take another small piece of the new market segment ...
I guess my many trips to "Tim Hortons" (coffee shops in Canada) will eventually add up to some reliable mileage and eventually I might trust it enough to attempt crossing the continent of Africa, lol!
Thanks for your response, I enjoyed the discussion and your perspective.
@phildolecki2598 yes I'm a fan of the VOGE brand. I think they are going to be a force on the market. I Jane worked with them before and the bikes ride will and the finish on them is really good.
All the best 👍
How very dare you Tell the Truth!!! I don't watch TH-cam to hear the Truth!! Definitely won't buy one now. Wasn't going to anyway. Unsubscribed! ( You'd be lucky 🤣🤣🤣)
😂😎😅Trust you,
Couldn't have put it better myself, Lily!
@@jimsadler8704 😂😎👍
no , the newer hondas are rust buckets , and they are chinese in parts ;
Yes some of the parts are. Wont get away from that : )
I don't think you should just take your mates' opinions as gospel, seems pretty shoddy.
Well I knew him at the time and saw what happened so he is legit.
Also there is one of these engines blowing up on TH-cam if you search for it
In America, we tariff commies. I seem to remember the English also disapprove of fascist regimes. One should make efforts to be consistent in life. Either you approve of the Commies and therefore trade with them, or you dont and therefore shouldnt do business with them. Your integrity is in question. Example, unsubscribing, because now by helping you im helping them and thats not ok.
OK thanks 👌
What an odd opinion. You don't like commies and advocate not trading with them, but America does trade with the Chinese and makes a bit of extra cash at it by applyiong tariffs.
The Chinese have their fingers into everything and unfortunately there's nothing anybody, including the USA, can do about it.
Exeter Rider, as a reviewer, was giving his opinion on the bike. He does not influence UK government trade policy nor is he a sales representative for Chinese companies.
Let's not get geopolitical about this or ye yanks might be told a thing or 2 ye don't want to hear or admit about ye're own country