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Jesus vs Paul: The Origins of a Religious Schism in Early Christianity | Dr. Bart D. Ehrman
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Isn't this the plot of "Monty Python's Life of Brian" (1979)?
1979.... thats how old that joke is
Well regardless of whether Jesus was special, the cheese makers are. And the specialty cheese makers are extra special.
You seem to all every question but the most important one... You seem to understand that theses stories are myths and they are just more importantly is the allegorical content in the myths.. the dying and rising God of an allegory for something we can go through.. a way to "know thyself" a way to directly experience that part of us that is divine while still alive....
You never seem to ask what the myths area teaching..
That's your answer
The significance of the Christian growth rate. I ran the numbers on the MORMON growth rate…. Which is actually well known because they kept records which are publicly available. Bottom line…. Mormon membership has grown even faster than early Christian adherents growth. And the mormons also did it with a similar sort of organic evangelizing growth. So, the Mormon growth could equally well be presented as proof of the truth of the Mormon message. And by the way, Islam also grew very quickly
All religions are man made inventions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism were all invented by the same group of people that control the world today.
After the Roman Emperors “ pushed” Christianity, a lot of people converted. There were a lot of Roman soldiers became Christian’s, but many were secretly Christians. But I imagine after Constantine made it the official religion, it grew exponentially!!
Jesus just had a couple of good post life Public Relations guys: the Apostle Paul and the emperor Constantine.😎😎
😂Zues had a son God called Herkales from an earth women. Herkales is killed and goes to heaven and becomes a full God sitting on the right side of father God Zeus. You cant make this stuff up. 😂😂☑️☑️
Was Jesus special? No is the answer that is given. Then why does this channel exist if the question has thoroughly been answered? Wouldn’t the continuation of its existence point to an obsession with this “unimportant” man?
Ive heard of Jesus having secretly married Mary Magdalene, but I was not ready for Jesus and a twink
Was he special - 'No'
Dr Ehrman is great at summerising these complex topics. Well done Mythvision!
Jesus is a fictional character.
@@paulral many scholars do not believe jesus was real. His character was invented by ancient Roman royalty, the main author of the NT used a pseudonym ~and rightful claim~ to Flavius Josephus as his mother was a Flavian and Josephus was a family name too. The character jesus is based on a number of emperors (who were royalty) with reference to events that happened. Augustus had these titles: Son of God, Prince of Peace, Messiah - Saviour of Rome, King of the World. His birth was heralded by a sign that a king was to be born and the Roman senate wanted him killed. 3 wise men came as part of 7 delegates to Augustus from India bearing gifts of oil and tigers. Interestingly this same royal family were Hasmonean Jews! They were prophets, priests and kings! Julius Caesar's death was marked with earthquakes and darkness and people rising from their graves. Vespasian healed a lame man and restored sight to a blind man using clay and spit. Titus began his military campaign on the Sea of Galilee and when the Jews were fleeing he speared them like fish and called this 'Fishing for men'...sound familiar?
@@paulral
_"Ehrman doesn't believe that..."_
"Mythicists' arguments are fairly plausible, Ehrman says. Jesus was never mentioned in any Roman sources and there is no archeological evidence that Jesus ever existed. Even Christian sources are problematic - the Gospels come long after Jesus' death, written by people who never saw the man."
“A further reality is that all the Gospels were written anonymously, and none of the writers claims to be an eyewitness. Names are attached to the titles of the Gospels ("the Gospel according to Matthew"), but these titles are later additions to the Gospels, provided by editors and scribes to inform readers who the editors thought were the authorities behind the different versions. That the titles are not original to the Gospels themselves should be clear upon some simple reflection. Whoever wrote Matthew did not call it "The Gospel according to Matthew." The persons who gave it that title are telling you who, in their opinion, wrote it. Authors never title their books "according to"."
Ehrman cites two reasons he believes Jesus existed. These are his reasons and my response to them:
1. EHRMAN: Paul is good evidence that Jesus at least existed because he knew his brother, James.
1. ME: Paul created Christianity in 48 AD when he realized the Daniel 9:25 prophesy of a messiah expired without fulfilling so he made one up decades later and set the story decades in the past to make the prophesy seem true. The James character is simply fiction for his storyline.
2. EHRMAN: The Messiah was supposed to overthrow the enemies - and so if you're going to make up a messiah, you'd make up a powerful messiah. You wouldn't make up somebody who was humiliated, tortured and the killed by the enemies.
2. ME: Paul's goal was to garner support for the insurrection against the Romans which began in 46 AD led by two brothers, Jacob and Simon, in the Judea province. The revolt, mainly in the Galilee, began as sporadic insurgency until it climaxed in 48 AD when it was quickly put down by Roman authorities. Both Simon and Jacob were executed.
He created the fiction of having witnessed the risen messiah. He wanted to show that the messiah had come as prophesied but was murdered by the Romans. This was to entice the Gentiles to aid in the Jews' rebellion against the Romans.
@@paulral
_"Josephus attests to James..."_
No one in history witnessed Jesus - not even any of the Gospel authors.
In the entire first century Jesus is not mentioned by a single historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher, or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, carving, sculpture, or monument, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence or official record.
No Greek or Roman historian witnessed Jesus. They merely reported what the Gospels asserted (none of the Gospel authors witnessed Jesus) and what Christians told them.
Pontius Pilate wrote nothing about Jesus.
Herod wrote nothing about Jesus.
Flavius Josephus wasn't born until 37 AD (and was likely Paul).
Mara bar Scarpion wasn't born until 50 AD.
Tacitus wasn't born until 56 AD.
Papias of Hierapolis wasn't born until 60 AD.
Pliny the Younger wasn't born until 61 AD.
Dead Sea Scrolls were composed from 150 BC to 68 AD and do not mention Jesus.
Suetonius wasn't born until 69 AD.
Polycarp wasn't born until 69 AD.
Ignatius of Antioch died in 108 AD (birth date is unknown).
Lucian of Samosata wasn't born until 125 AD.
Titus Flavius Clemen (Clement of Alexandria) wasn't born until 150 AD.
Thallus is first mentioned around 180 AD. It is not known when he lived.
Celsus wasn't born until the second century.
Phlegon of Tralles wasn't born until the second century.
Talmud wasn't written until 350 AD.
Until the mid-90s AD, there is no corroborating evidence from anyone who was not party to the new religion of Christianity.
Flavius Josephus wasn't born until 37 AD (and was likely Paul).
There are no known manuscripts of Josephus' works that can be dated before the 11th century, and the oldest which do survive were copied by Christian monks.
References to Jesus are not found in the oldest manuscripts of his Antiquities of the Jews.
Josephus says that he drew from and "interpreted out of the Hebrew Scriptures".
The original was written in Aramaic and was later translated into Greek by Christian monks.
In the third century, Origen wrote extensively about Josephus, even about the very chapter that contains the Testimonium, but never mentioned or referred to the Testimonium in any way. This is inconceivable if the Testimonium had existed at that time.
Since the first mention of that passage came from Eusebius, we can conclude that is when it was created.
Early Christian apologists like Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and Origen never wrote about the Testimonium passage. Origen even mentions Josephus but never mentioned the Testimonium.
Further evidence of a fraud is if you remove the Testimonium from its larger context, the previous paragraph flows together. The Testimonium is out of place because it was crudely inserted centuries later.
The first mention of Jesus in Antiquities of the Jews came from Eusebius (none of the earlier church fathers mention Josephus’ Jesus). Scholars have determined that Eusebius, not Josephus, was responsible for those writings. Eusebius wrote about “how it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine, and for the benefit of those who want to be deceived.”
The Testimonium Flavianum (testimony of Flavius Josephus) is a passage found in Book 18, Chapter 3, of the Antiquities which describes the condemnation and crucifixion of Jesus at the hands of the Roman authorities.
The Josephus reference to Jesus is also a well-known fraud. The ink is marked out, the writing is different, the tone and quality and voice of the writing is also different. Furthermore, it includes the word “Christian”, which wasn’t coined at all until decades later.
The earliest secure reference to this passage is found in the writings of the fourth-century Christian apologist and historian Eusebius, who used Josephus' works extensively as a source for his own Historia Ecclesiastica. Eusebius quotes the passage in essentially the same form as that preserved in extant manuscripts. It has been suggested that part or all of the passage may have been Eusebius' own invention in order to provide an outside Jewish authority for the life of Christ.
Tacitus wasn't born until 56 AD.
He was merely documenting, from more than 80 years after the purported event, and from hundreds of miles away, the early Christian movement and what those early Christians told him (Annals book 15, chapter 44 was written in 116 AD):
"Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome...". If Tacitus had been copying from an official source we would expect him to have labelled Pilate correctly as a prefect rather than a procurator.
Philo of Alexandria was born around 20 BC, and thus was an adult at the time of the Bethlehem star. He lived well past the crucifixion, dying about the year 50 AD. He would have been the ideal man to record everything about a Jewish miracle-worker and savior. He wrote about 40 individual essays, which now fill seven volumes. Yet he says not one word about Jesus or the Christian movement.
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Historians who lived during the time, or within a century, of the purported time of Jesus and who wrote nothing about him:
Philo-Judæus
Seneca
Pliny Elder
Arrian
Petronius
Paterculus
Suetonius
Pausanias
Florus Lucius
Lucian
Quintius Curtius
Aulus Gellius
Juvenal
Martial
Persius
Plutarch
Pliny Younger
Justus of Tiberius
Apollonius
Quintilian
Dio Chrysostom
Columella
Valerius Flaccus
Damis
Favorinus
Lucanus
Epictetus
Hermogones Silius Italicus
Statius
Ptolemy
Appian
Phlegon
Phædrus
Valerius Maximus
Lysias
Pomponius Mela
Appion of Alexandria
Theon of Smyrna
@@paulral
_"7 of Paul's letters are viewed as authentic by virtually all scholars..."_
But Paul created Christianity.
The only Bible author who claimed to have seen Jesus is Paul who asserted that he met him in a vision and described Jesus as being only a bright light. Paul actually stated that his sources were non-human, "...the gospel I preached is not of human origin." (Galatians 1:11-12). Paul further asserted that Jesus selected him alone to speak for him (Acts 9:15): "Paul is my chosen instrument to take my message to the Gentiles and to kings as well as to the people of Israel." In Romans 1:16 Paul reveals that no other gospels existed at the time, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ."
The Jesus story began in 48 AD with the first of the Pauline Epistles (which comprise nearly half of the New Testament books) when Paul realized the Daniel 9:25 prophesy of a messiah expired without fulfilling so he made one up decades later and set the story decades in the past matching Jewish expectations of the messiah to make the prophesy seem true.
The fulfillment of the Daniel 9:25 prophecy written in 444 BC was the test of the true messiah. By 48 AD it was known that the prophecy of a messiah coming in "seven weeks and threescore and two weeks" had not occurred on the prophesied date. It was the 69th Week and the 70th Week was soon to come. The prophesied messiah was expected and the anticipation set off a messiah craze.
"Seven weeks and threescore and two weeks" is, 7 plus 60 plus 2 equals 69 total weeks. One prophetic week equals seven biblical years of 360 days (the Julian calendar was created centuries later), so 7 times 69 equals 483 total biblical years beginning with Artaxerxes' decree in 444 BC. Those 483 biblical years equal 173,880 days, or 476 Julian years. Therefore the Messiah would come and be "cut off" in AD 33. One prophetic week equaling seven Biblical years is something “Daniel” invented in about 165 BC, effectively an admission that Jeremiah 25:11-12 failed.
Paul made up the entire Jesus story and added historical figures, locations, and events to add authenticity.
In the Galatians "road to Damascus" conversion vision tale written in 48 AD he claimed to have gone to the Arabian desert to study the Old Testament for 17 years to align with the Daniel 9:25 prophecy.
Paul's goal was to garner support for the insurrection against the Romans which began in 46 AD led by two brothers, Jacob and Simon, in the Judea province. The revolt, mainly in the Galilee, began as sporadic insurgency until it climaxed in 48 AD when it was quickly put down by Roman authorities. Both Simon and Jacob were executed.
He created the fiction of having witnessed the risen messiah. He wanted to show that the messiah had come as prophesied but was murdered by the Romans. This was to entice the Gentiles to aid in the Jews' rebellion against the Romans.
@@paulral
_"Paul attests to James, Peter, John..."_
They are characters in Paul's fiction.
Paul created Christianity in 48 AD after the Daniel 9:25 prophesy expired unfulfilled.
Seems we don’t have access to the historical Jesus, hearsay and legend is all that survives. O
The idea of a god-man hybrid is fundamentally pagan. Greco-Roman world, from which Christianity emerged, was filled with tales of gods begetting god-men with human women.
For example, chief god in the Greek pantheon, Zeus, visited the human woman Danae in the form of golden rain and fathered Perseus, a god-man.
Such stories strikingly resemblance the Christian belief that God visited a human woman Mary in the person of Holy Spirit and fathered Jesus, a god-man.
In fact, an early Christian apologist Justin Martyr, considered a Saint in the Catholic Church, admitted that Christianity had borrowed it's concept of divine sonship from pagans:
*When we say that the Word, who is our teacher, Jesus Christ the first born of God, was produced without sexual union, and that he was crucified and died and rose again, and ascended to heaven, we propound nothing new or different from what you [pagans] believe regarding those whom you consider sons of Jupiter.*
*-Justin Martyr, The First Apology, Chapter 21*
Jupiter was the king of all gods in the ancient Roman mythology. Here Justin Martyr is telling Roman pagans that what the Christians believe about Jesus being the son of God is nothing different than what they believe about the sons of god Jupiter.
I enjoyed this conversation between Dr. Ehrman and Derek. Not sure what Mythvision is referring to by “Special” in the podcast title. But in terms of having an impact on humanity, Jesus’ life and his teachings, many of which focus on compassion, equality and self-sacrifice for others, have had a considerable (positive) impact. Sure, Christianity has had its dark periods (individuals and group not acting “Christ-like”), but on balance it has done much, much more good. Rodney Stark, in the book Dr. Ehrman references, writes about the greater care, compassion and charity the Christians as a whole often exhibited toward women, children, the poor, the homeless, widows, orphans, the ill and those in need in the first few hundred years of the church - which helped to fuel the growth of the early Christian church. (I am not saying and neither is Stark that non-Christians at this time we’re not caring of these groups/others.). So, from an impact on humanity, I say Jesus is very special, uniquely special.
Jesus was without sin when he began his work of salvation as Adam. David, the Morning Star, (Snake/Shining one) is the Cornerstone of his work. You won't always have the Christ. He is here always, until the end of the age, when the (actual) sacrifice is made.
*The miraculous birth has to do with his spirit being put into the body.
*Walking on water, as did Peter, has to do with not thinking like man, as happened to Peter when he started to sink and Jesus addressed him by his better known name, Satan.
*Jesus turns water into wine. The waters are the people of many nations and languages when he treads the winpress of wrath, wields the fiery sword guarding the way to the Tree of Life, on the day of vengeance as judgment. Or, as told in the flood story borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh, Noah teads the wineperss and an end is put to moartals on earth.
*Jesus gives Pater the keys to the kingdom because he is David... was David... is the Cornerstone of his work of salvation. The one healed in his name is the Cornerstone,Acts 4:10-11.
*You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me. (Joh 12:8 NIV)
*I am with you always, until the end of the age. (Mat 28:20 NABO)
*But now once for all he has appeared at the end of the ages to take away sin by his sacrifice. (Heb 9:26 NABO)
*The one who descended is also the one who ascended far above all the heavens (Eph 4:10 NABO)
*"Ah, far from the fertile earth shall be your dwelling; far from the dew of the heavens above!
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve; But when you become restive, you shall throw off his yoke from your neck."
(Gen 27:39-40 NABO)
*Save me, I pray, from the hand of my brother Esau! Otherwise, I fear that when he comes, he will strike me down (Gen 32:12 NABO)
Esau ran to meet him, embraced him, and flinging himself on his neck, kissed him as he wept. (Gen 33:4 NABO)
*Jacob/Israel - The sky over your heads will be like bronze and the earth under your feet like iron. (Deu 28:23 NABO)
Behemoth - His bones are like tubes of bronze; his frame is like iron rods. (Job 40:18 NABO)
King of Babylon - But leave in the earth its stump and roots, fettered with iron and bronze, (Dan 4:12 NABO)
The Son of David says: "the Father is greater than I" (Joh 14:28 NABO) This is David's kingdom. The Christ is a third party mediator to this world and these heavens, between you and your Father. Blessed is the kingdom of our father David that is to come! Hosanna in the highest! (Mar 11:10 NABO)
Yabbut - a furry creature with long ears that hops in the woods. I hope they don't haul me off the Heretics Asylum!!!
Yes, Voltaire was a critic of. Christianity and the Catholic Church but he ultimately blamed the Jews. He was profoundly antisemitic and so was the French Enlightenment. Whatever it was that you needed to have to be an Enlightened human being Jews didn’t have and couldn’t develop.
Bart cites a guy who lived after Jesus as evidence that the gospels aren't unique. Wouldn't the fact that the guy's life mimics the life of Jesus, who lived about a century before, be evidence that the later work is fashioned on the gospels, rather than evidence that the gospels were fashioned after the later work? 🤣 I don't see how Bart's assertion advances his romantic conquest agenda, so I can't just let it slide this time.
Jesus could only be cosidered a Prophet for the Jews and had no new messages and, ipso facto, is not Special. He escaped to the east (Asia) from the Romans after the botched crucifixion and died a natural death there. His remains could not be found in Palestine since Paul sent him bodily to heaven.
My job is to convince other dudes to make babies
Well, he is now. No other name is known by so many people. No other person has made the improvements in society for nearly 2000 years that Jesus has done. No one has motivated that kind of charity that Jesus has done. No one has changed life for as many people as Jesus has done.
A comparison between Hillel, Akiba and Jesus.
All hail Romulus, who is better attested to than Jesus. LOL
Remus & Romulus are the older version of John & James (the dioskuroi)
Who is this Abalone character ?
"The mysteries of the kingdom of God." - Religion or first century euphemism?
How many people come along with the message of peace and love, also treating your neighbors with the same respect. I think it is pretty special when someone can actually demonstrate Peace Love and patience not war hate and crime
I agree with you, and probably Bart would agree with you, that the morality and ethics of the synoptic gospels point to a man who was radically egalitarian, which no doubt got him executed. The context is whether Jesus had any special claims about being an actual God-resurrection, ascension, etc.
@@kjmav10135 Thank you that's all i'm trying to say, Did he claim to be God's son I have no clue honestly. His words in his love towards humankind seem to be pretty outstanding though and that's what I want to be. Outstanding in my love and acceptance towards all humankind, mother nature and animals alike, If I use Jesus Christ as a model what's wrong with that? I know atheist don't like it but to me He seems like the best man to follow in this world, the best men to try and be like.
I know organized religion is what concerns people it concerns me too. I do not want to hurt anyone with my beliefs, which is why I believe love and acceptance towards all is the main priority.
@@zt3823 I came to the conclusion that I will follow his example of his life as a man as it is shown in the gospels. I don’t however, buy that he was literally God Incarnate who “died for my sins.” I don’t buy that stuff. I think it misses the point of what Jesus said and did as a man as recorded in Matthew Mark,and Luke. I told my church folks at my last church, I don’t believe in “belief.” But I can get down with following Jesus’ example as a person.
@@LukasRoels Do Mark, Luke, and Paul all say the same thing. It's up to us as humans to try and figure out what was Jesus Christ message and what was their message mixed with his words
@@supernintendochalmers8475 Do you believe everything everyone tells you all the time? I know a lot of atheist think you got to follow the Bible word for word just like Southern Baptist.
As usual great job
So!! jesus and paul were early Millerites???
The Jesus story makes *_absolutely no sense._* He was supposed to be some kind of invulnerable, immortal superbeing; and yet mortal Roman soldiers were able to subdue and kill him using ordinary iron weapons, forged by village blacksmiths.
Seriously? Show some imagination here. Postulate that the Romans had to acquire magical weapons, forged by a powerful necromancer or something comparable, to get the job done.
BTW, it's interesting that these biblical "prophets" who could allegedly foresee "the future" didn't know about firearms. What would have happened if you took a modern shotgun and a round of buckshot, and you discharged it at close range at Jesus' head? Would the pellets bounce off of him, like he was Superman? Or could he stop the pellets in mid air, like how Neo in _The Matrix_ stops bullets fired from the Agents?
Wow you have seen too many superhero movies! Biblical prophets could not foresee the distant future. Prophets were essentially special humans who claimed to understand what was going on presently and how and why that would fit into God's ultimate plan for the foreseeable future. This is why none of the prophets quoted by Matthew (like Isaiah) have anything to do with Jesus as Matthew claims. They were dealing with the events of what was going on in their own time, hundreds of years before Jesus.
Your comment makes more sense to me than most who believe in the NT, as the things you have heard are wrong, by purpose Jesus was just a man.
He died when he was killed, though he was innocent, and his death was for me and you.
The story has an empirical truth, but is falsely portrayed, I show the truth in my Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity'.
Like you all I knew was the story made no sense, but now it does.
@@simonskinner1450
_"...and his death was for me and you."_
Should ritual human sacrifice be condemned or worshiped?
@@twitherspoon8954 Many in war offer there lives for others, though he died as an innocent, and willing to die for others.
There was no ritual sacrifice, like Christianity you misunderstand his death, there was no blood taken to the Temple. It was not about blood, he died for a cause, and of course all unwilling deaths are murder.
@@simonskinner1450
_"Many in war offer there lives for others, though he died as an innocent, and willing to die for others."_
But that's not what was described -- he was sent.
Paul created Christianity in 48 AD and this is how he put it:
Romans 8:32
"He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all."
1 Corinthians 5:7
"Christ our passover is sacrificed for us."
Romans 3:25
"God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement."
Romans 5:8
"God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us."
Hebrews 10:10
"We are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ."
Any one who died and rose again as prophesied should be many , name about 2?😅
In the Second Temple period it was not uncommon for rabbis to perform miracles and to teach about love and peace. Jesus was by far not the only one. This is a historical fact.
Podcast is about, riches & honor. Bragg about worldly knowledge, using our HOLY ETERNAL PARENT'S name's, our SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
You can always tell who the obnoxiously religious people are in these comment sections by the misspellings/bad grammar and the capitalization of whole words, like that makes any of this more true
@@loganleatherman7647 Your comment perfectly reveal your extreme lack of knowledge and rebelliousness against, our ETERNAL PARENT'S. This Podcast is all about riches and honor, but they're the Modern Babylonians, the Confuse people, the worst. So, what happens is, they refused to repent from personal sins, now coming up with endless excuses, lies.
Of course Jesus was special! He was the first documented Jewish hippie.
He's an old hippie and he doesn't know what to do.
Should he hang on to the old way?
Should he grab on to the new?
Apologies to the Bellamy's
I like your arrogance… Anyway we all gonna find out when we die if Jesus is the truth!
This question about how special Jesus was should be asked in the context of Judaism of the day-which was far removed from Judaism of today. At the time Judaism in its various forms was obsessed with ritual. The Sadducees performed rituals of the Temple. The Pharisees obsessed about rituals of everyday life. The Essenes were obsessed with their own hermetic rituals. Everything in the land of Judea was ritualized, as if everything depended on it. In a way, it is hard not to compare them with Aztek priests who believed they had to tear the heart of a living human out of his chest to ensure the sunrise. And here Jesus walked in and told the faithful, the Jews, that the ritual didn't matter, because it was all about faith, conscience, character, and the actual deeds, and illustrated his message with stories, the parables. So, yes, I think he was special in the context. And you don't have to believe in miracles, resurrection, virgin birth, and whatnot to think so.
Jesus would admit to being special, but no more special than anyone or anything else.
Special in what ways exactly?
There are really only two ways to look at things: either everything is Divine or nothing is Divine. The former is true, but the latter is the lie that this world believes; a deluded world that can elect Donald J Trump president of a free country. Elijah has returned, as prophesied, and testifies.
🎵I wish I was special. 🎵
@@SpaceLordof75 You're special in God's eyes 🎵
@@Lerian_V Who is that? Where are they?
Is Bart special? Nope
Sounds like a good fairytale with a happy ending, but unfortunately the only thing promised in life is death
Isn’t life promised in life?
Like what?
Jesus was very special he was one of the first person to send his followers to the pagan world. No too many people had the ball to do that dangerous work, in the area where he lived.
l used to think that too until l researched and found so much detail in the NT is directly connected to the Roman emperors. Caesar Augustus was called the son of God, Prince of Peace, Messiah- saviour of Rome, King of the World. His birth was heralded by a sign and the Roman senate wanted him killed! His adopted father, Julius Caesar, at death was marked with earthquakes and darkness and the rising of souls from the grave. Emporor Vespasian healed a lame man and restored sight to a blind man using clay and spit. Emperor Titus called himself the son of man. He also destroyed the very town 'jesus' gave a 'woe' to.
Ar rius -co-emperor had an ear cut off, which he had stitched back on plus he tried the same with his leg! He wrote the phrase 'physician heal thyself' as he considered himself a doctor. His names are found in revelation 3 and 6, put there on purpose by his son, who finished the script/play. He had two enemies that he killed, one was called Jesus and the other was his father, Gamaliel. It really is no coincidence.
@@supernintendochalmers8475you forgot Jesus himself got crucified and rose again. So what your point?
@@supernintendochalmers8475he probably didn’t, historically speaking anyway, and it wasn’t really that dangerous
Was there even such a person in the first place?
The most important man that ever was born, even if he never existed. The grift here is Bart does not know the significance of Jesus, neither does Christianity.
An interesting take on the subject. Do you mean important cos of all the wars etc in his name? I dont get why this is grift.
_"The grift here is Bart does not know the significance of Jesus, neither does Christianity."_
Explain what exactly is the supposed significance of the fictional Bible character known as Jesus.
@@TheScotsalan The worst were not in his authority, and Christianity does not have his authority.
Bart is making a living from unbelief. Unbelievers pay to hear that their unbelief is true. Coals to Newcastle.
@@simonskinner1450 Ahh.. so you are a Christian. Cool. Do you donate to a billionaire preacher to help his fuel bill for his jets ?
@@twitherspoon8954 There is no significance of a fictional Jesus, that's the grift.
A true Jesus is significant to those unlike Bart, to them he offers them an opportunity, though they believe in false teachings of Christianity and a false salvation.
Do you mean "special" as in the "Special" Olympics?
Bart was once a believer who became emotionally wounded and rejected Jesus.
Hebrews 6: 4-6
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
Nevertheless, let us pray for Dr, Ehrman, that he may turn away from his intellectual pride and repent unto salvation.
You can stop discounting intelligent, well-reasoned arguments by quoting 1900-year-old illogical epistles now. You offer an ad hominem argument (basically, “he’s just saying that because he’s mad”) rather than dealing honestly with the well-rendered arguments presented. Your approach is intellectually dishonest.
@@kjmav10135
"1900 year old illogical epistles..."
1 Corinthians 1: 25
" Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
Your comment shows dangerous arrogance in the presence of God.
I shall pray you as well. 🙏
@@eswn1816 AAannnnndddd this wildly illogical prooftext proves my point. The Enlightenment happened 300 years ago; yet Fundamentalists keep fighting it. Your belief in God is such a huge part of your psychological makeup that it is terrifying to think of letting go of the part of your identity that you call “God.” May I suggest Thomas Hardy’s poem, “A Plaint to a Man”?
@@kjmav10135
Psa 14:1 KJV -
1 [To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.]
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.... "
As a Jew, I honor the wisdom of King David.
Much archeological evidence for his reign, by the way...
@@eswn1816 The ass is mended. Go in peace.
❤To experience Jesus healing energy u need to know a rule.
When we die our spirits know all so faith being the most powerful energy in the universe has no cause. Once u experience Jesus power u will be like a spirit that knows all. The new rule is once u know u better grow. Now u can experience Jesus healing energy all old aches and pains will be washed away takes 30 minutes best to relax and shut yr eyes. Warning it is intense
And how do I verify that you’re not lying, wrong, delusional or all of the above ?
@@dugganclhallrentals2089 Some need a secret before u can experience Jesus healing energy.
The Illuminati aka fallen angels aliens NASA what ever you want to call them in there flying tin cans. Can't get out of lower orbit because of the vacuum. Universe is only 77 thousand SQ miles big breathable air through out space angels have to breath. Mars is only 250 miles away sun an moon are much closer an only a acre big.. Heaven is on Mars moon that's what all the thrusters are for space x Star ship try to punch through the vacuum and destroy Mars moon heaven. I cleaned out hell left the light's on. I ripped the soul out the devil after he went dragon just to make it a fair fight. Now u can experience Jesus healing energy all old aches and pains will be washed away takes 30 minutes best to relax and shut yr eyes. Warning it is intense.if I'm lying call me out .
There’s a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. Interested?
Derek & Bart, the use & mock of our beloved SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, is the worst thing to do. They're all about riches & honor.
Listen up. Jesus is still teaching today and is accessible to everyone
Just ask to be guided to him and listen. You are invited to ask him anything you want. Go for it
Lol
@@Ray-c1r don't be afraid. He ask that we see him as a teacher a friend and brother we are family. Jesus is not God God is Jesus God is you and me and all creations. You already know this you agreed to have your memory temporarily removed before you came into the physicality so you won't be distracted
I asked him how to pronounce his name and he said "Hey Sus" and then handed me a tamale and then he ascended into his food stand and flew up to heaven.
@@primafacie9721 lol😆 ok.
Can you ask him how to unify quantum theory with general relativity? Or about the origin of the highest energy cosmic rays? Or how to prove the Goldbach conjecture? Or the Collatz conjecture? Or the P versus NP problem? God should have no problem with these. I hope you come back with an answer soon. Saludos.
Jesus had an official Roman trial and was found guilty of being "King of the Jews".
Read the novel "Relativity Rabbi" and not only know but be comforted by Jesus.
Was bart ermhan alive during the time of jesus
Were you?
@Zugly the Book Monster exactly neither were you
@@joshconner79 I don't claim to know what happened. I'm agnostic. I just think "you weren't there" is a dumb argument to make. None of us were.
We weren't there when Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman were killed. Oh well, guess we'll never know who did it.
We know that nobody is more than 125 years old.
It follows immediately that a resurrection is at best temporary.
Anyway, who would want to come back from Heaven and die again ?
Resurrection is an induced Near Death Experience.
You are not thinking like someone from the first century, especially like an apocalypticist. They thought life on earth was horrible and life in Heaven was paradise. Or at least it would be in the future once the Kingdom of God was established on Earth.
@@jefffarris9238
As ye go, preach to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...
"The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand !"
(Matthew 10:7)
@@tedgrant2 Matthew 28:16-20.
@@davidjanbaz7728 Re: Matthew 28:16-20
It's interesting that "all power" was given unto Jesus (vs 18)
I had the impression that he (=God) already had it.
I very much doubt that they baptized all nations (vs 19)
The resurrection of a guy who has been dead for 5 years, with numerous witnesses to boot, would go a long way to convince me….
yeah history doesn't work that way
@@moonlord9294 agreed
@@dugganclhallrentals2089 I meant that the historical method doesn't work by witnesses saying they saw someone do something lol
Donald Trump has been dead all of his life, and yet half of this country hasn't figured it out yet and resurrects him in their minds daily and wants him to lead them to hell. Now THAT is a miracle, and one I can do without! Elijah has returned, as prophesied, and testifies.
@@dugganclhallrentals2089 Well, what you might not realize, is that there were a lot of "resurrection stories" during that period and time. And, many people believed in those stories too. So, what makes Jesus' story different? Because he wasn't the only one to do miracles and be mirculous, and also not the only one to have Followers and people believing he was divine. So, you just can't believe just because others believed. Or, you also have to believe in tens of others Crazies from the Middle Eastern world of that period.
If you're writing a letter to a living Theophilus, around what year are you writing it to him?
I guess Theophilus met Liz Syphil around 214 CE, and died in early 216 CE age 49, so any time between let's say 179 CE and 215 CE.😜
Your welcome!🧐
@@Bob-of-Zoid Why is that so funny? Because you know I was referring to the first person on record with that name.
@@tryme3969 I wasn't referring to the first person on record with that name, and wouldn't have even known it. I had no reason other then the name Theophilus lends itself to the joke: "Lis Syphel" = "Syphilis". I don't believe Jesus was anything but mostly myth if he lived at all.
@@Bob-of-Zoid Are you even allowed to believe that the person who started the church existed?
@@tryme3969 Of course I am allowed to (What a stupid question!), but I don't, nor do I have a clue what point exactly you are trying to make.
Also, if Paul is writing to the Roman church or churches around the year 60, just 30 years after Jesus' death, there are churches scattered all the way from Palestine to Italy. That's huge growth, and that does not even take into consideration the growth east into Syria and south to Egypt.
Some historians suspect that the Jesus movement grew very rapidly by coopting existing failed movements in Judaism and fringe religious cults in the Greek-speaking world. The gospels and Acts hint at this with the stories about the followers of John the Baptist and Simon Magus (Simon of Samaria). It is also possible that older failed apocalyptic movements ("Essenoids") coalesced around the new movement simply because they still had a vibrant believing core at that time.
We actually have a modern-day analog that could serve as a model: the Mormon Church. Starting from the death of Joseph Smith in 1844, the Mormon Church grew at a rate of 25% annually for the first two decades, dropping to around 10% annually by the start of the 20th century, then dropping again to 4% before contracting under the faith crisis stemming from revelation of the true Mormon history in the internet age. Once they get past this crisis it is very likely they will resume the 3-4% growth rate from conversions as new forms of cognitive dissonance settle in and members figure out how to deal with their history. It even has a Jesus figure (Joseph Smith Jr.), a James the Just figure (Joseph Smith III), and a Paul figure (Brigham Young). They still have their Ebionites running around in the form of Community of Christ (formerly the Reorganized LDS or RLDS).
@@andrewsuryali8540 some historians R ignorant: and Mormonism isn't going to survive their lies of being a counterfeit church/ religion.
Totally different worldviews and Godheads.
A counterfeit may look the same but it's worthless.
Ceasarism was the dominant religion of the time. After Neron as the last claudian ceasar had past away and the flavians tried to institute mithraism until their dynasty also abruptly ended that cleared the way for christianity to murph out of the established ceasar-cultus. It didn't require exponentional growth or mass conversion. Just as by the conversion of the germanic peoples or the later reformation the older believe was gradualy replaced or equalized with the newer doctrines. Most people didn't even notice that something changed. Until medieval times everybody believed about the same thing, personal believing as in modeern protestantism didn't exist.
9:20 It sure would be nice if Dr. Ehrman told us WHY he thinks the material was forged. Maybe we'll get that later.
Bart does say why it believes it was forged ... right before that.
@@ardalla535 I went back and I don't find the spot. Starting at 8:45 he lays out the evidence for why it is NOT forged, according to many scholars. The photos are authentic, the handwriting is in fact from the 18th century, style is consistent with Clement of Alexandria's writing, and the quotations sound a lot like the Gospel of Mark we know... And then he says he thinks it was forged but doesn't say why.
His book “Forged”
@@dugganclhallrentals2089 Thanks.
He dosent know he is just doing this for money and fame nothing special about bart ermhan
So not special, these two examples of apostles of modernity spend day after day telling us how Jesus is not special. Day after day, video upon video, telling us Jesus is a myth, or justifying like many other ancient magicians with a cult following etc etc. all this God man carry on, mere ancient story time and on and on. What about it you two, do you think anyone believes this contradictory babble?
don''t know but 'the son of the blessed' was unique
It seems to me the protesters of Jesus would incline me to believe Jesus was and is real. Not seeing you attack Islam or Hindus or others. Barts logic has been refuted time and again William Lane Craig showed him as very flawed. Jesus was who He said he was and it is true from the evidence
Why would a biblical scholar think he had any authority to explore the validity of Islam or Hinduism “or others”? Why would intellectually curious people raised with Christian beliefs in a country where Christianity was the dominant religion feel the need to evaluate the truth claims of Hinduism? What sense would that make? Why would anyone steeped in one faith perspective feel like they had the background to evaluate the faith claims of another complex religion? That makes no sense. It is not actually a protest against Jesus. It’s an honest scholarly exploration of the biblical writings in their original contexts. Also, William Lane Craig is an apologist, which means he is starting from an emotional, “win at all costs” place that all apologists start from-which is, at its base, forcing a story into a shabbily reasoned framework rather than using reason and historical context to evaluate the truth claims that have been made about the Bible.
Doesn't happen. It did happen as the temple was destroyed and God left the building, but those without faith believe he didn't. Then Christianity started without faith.
Matthew 24:15
the disgusting thing that causes desolation: Daniel foretold that “disgusting thing(s)” would be associated with desolation. (Da 9:27; 11:31; 12:11) Jesus here indicates that “the disgusting thing that causes desolation” had not yet appeared; it was to come in the future. And 33 years after Jesus’ death, Christians witnessed the initial fulfillment of this prophecy when they did catch sight of a disgusting thing standing in a holy place. The parallel account at Lu 21:20 reads: “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.” In 66 C.E., pagan Roman armies surrounded “the holy city,” Jerusalem, a place that the Jews viewed as holy and that was the center of the Jewish revolt against Rome. (Mt 4:5; 27:53) Discerning Christians, who recognized that the Roman army with its idolatrous banners was “the disgusting thing,” took it as the final signal to “begin fleeing to the mountains.” (Mt 24:15, 16; Lu 19:43, 44; 21:20-22) After the Christians fled, the Romans desolated both the city and the nation. Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70 C.E., and the last Jewish stronghold, Masada, fell to the Romans in 73 C.E. (Compare Da 9:25-27.) The detailed initial fulfillment of this prophecy provides a solid basis for trusting that the greater fulfillment will also take place, culminating with Jesus’ “coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Mt 24:30) Many ignore Jesus’ statement that Daniel’s prophecy would be fulfilled after Jesus’ day, and they follow Jewish tradition in applying Daniel’s prophecy to an event in 168 B.C.E. when Syrian King Antiochus IV (Epiphanes) profaned Jehovah’s temple in Jerusalem. Antiochus attempted to stamp out the worship of Jehovah, even building an altar over the great altar of Jehovah and sacrificing pigs as an offering to the pagan god Zeus of Olympus. (See study note on Joh 10:22.) The apocryphal book of 1 Maccabees (1:54) uses an expression similar to the one found in the book of Daniel (associating disgusting things with desolation) and applies it to the event in 168 B.C.E. However, Jewish tradition and the account in 1 Maccabees are human interpretations, not inspired revelations. Certainly, Antiochus provoked feelings of disgust by desecrating the temple, but his attack did not result in the desolation of Jerusalem, the temple, or the Jewish nation.
Atheist cope. Obviously Jesus was special, that's why you spend so much time talking about him.
Yeah, he wasn't that special.
*Miracles and Apotheosis in the Ancient Mediterranean World*
*"It should first be noted that miracle stories are not uncommon in the literature of this period.* Ancient people believed in a world permeated by the supernatural and readily accepted stories of miracles and believed in stories of visions and visitors from the world of the divine all the time. *Even very sober and sometimes sceptical historians like Tacitus will pass on accounts of miracles that he clearly accepts and expects his audience to believe as historical.*
So when we read stories of how the emperor Augustus was miraculously conceived by the god Apollo, or how his birth was presaged by a new star in the heavens, or how Julius Caesar was seen ascending into the heaven after his death or how Vespasian healed lame and blind people who asked him for a miracle, we accept that these stories represent the kinds of things ancient people genuinely believed about great men. Or we accept that they are at least told to indicate that the man in question was great. *What we don't do is accept that simply because people believed these stories they must mean that they really happened.*
And this is even when the stories are presented to us by a very careful historian and given to us as verified fact. Take Tacitus' account of the miracles of the emperor Vespasian:
"In the months during which Vespasian was waiting at Alexandria for the periodical return of the summer gales and settled weather at sea, many wonders occurred which seemed to point him out as the object of the favour of heaven and of the partiality of the Gods. One of the common people of Alexandria, well known for his blindness, threw himself at the Emperor's knees, and implored him with groans to heal his infirmity. This he did by the advice of the God Serapis, whom this nation, devoted as it is to many superstitions, worships more than any other divinity. .... And so Vespasian, supposing that all things were possible to his good fortune, and that nothing was any longer past belief, with a joyful countenance, amid the intense expectation of the multitude of bystanders, accomplished what was required. *The hand was instantly restored to its use, and the light of day again shone upon the blind. Persons actually present attest both facts, even now when nothing is to be gained by falsehood."* (Histories, IV, 81)
Tacitus was closely connected to the court of Vespasian's sons and successors, Titus and Domitian, and so in a position to know the "persons actually present" and to consult them long after Vespasian's death "when nothing is to be gained by falsehood". He was also a very careful historian who scorned those who took rumour and stories as fact without checking them against sources and eye witnesses and who condemned those who "catch eagerly at wild and improbable rumours in preference to genuine history" (Annals, IV,11).
*Despite this, I don't know anyone who would read the account above and conclude that the emperor really had magical healing powers and genuinely used his supernatural abilities to heal people.* The fact that even a judicious and often sceptical analyst like Tacitus accepted this story shows us just how readily people in the ancient world accepted claims of the miraculous.
*One form of miracle that was widely believed in was the idea of apotheosis, where a great man is physically taken up in to the heavens and raised to divine status.* It was claimed that Romulus, the founder of Rome, underwent this process and later appeared to his friend Julius Proculus to declare his new celestial status. The same claim was made about Julius Caesar and Augustus, with supposed witnesses observing their ascent into the heavenly realm. Lucian's satire The Passing of Peregrinus includes his scorn for the claim that the philosopher was taken up into the celestial realm and was later seen walking around on earth after his death. The Chariton novel Callirhoe has its hero Chaereas visiting the tomb of his recently dead wife, saying he "arrived at the tomb at daybreak" where he "found the stones removed and the entrance open. At that he took fright." Others are afraid to enter the tomb, but Chaereas goes in and finds his wife's body missing and concludes she has been taken up by the gods."
If you want to read how the resurrection legend grew over time, read the below article by Tim O'Neill who is a former Christian and has been studying the scholarship for over 25 years.
*Answer*
What-evidence-is-there-for-Jesus-Christs-death-burial-and-resurrection/answer/Tim-ONeill-1 - Quora
You can also read the below article by a former Christian apologist on how he agrees with the mainstream scholarship that Jesus was a failed apocalyptic prophet.
*"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"*
Also, how cognitive dissonance possibly explains early Christianity.
*“The Rationalization Hypothesis: Is a Vision of Jesus Necessary for the Rise of the Resurrection Belief?”* - by Kris Komarnitsky | Κέλσος - Wordpress
*"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"*
*"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Yes, the Four Gospels Were Originally Anonymous: Part 1 - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Are Stories in the Bible Influenced by Popular Greco-Roman Literature? - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Gospels Not Written By Matthew, Mark, Luke or John - The Church Of Truth"*
*"February 2015 - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* - Isaiah 53
*"Jesus and the Messianic Prophecies - Did the Old Testament Point to Jesus? - The Bart Ehrman Blog"*
*"Jesus did not fulfill any messianic prophecies - Reductio Ad Absalom"*
*"Jesus Was Not the Only “Prophet” to Predict the Destruction of the Temple - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
@@enumaelish6751
"Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"
This kind of stuff is simply apologetics from the liberal-atheist side.
I posted this comment earlier this morning in reply to one of Kristi Burke's videos, but it fits equally well here:
This woman never was a Christian, i.e. a born again Christian. What she had was head faith, not heart faith. There's a huge difference. She decided to reject her head faith, which worked for her mentally, but a person who is truly born again (by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit) can't just up and decide he or she is going to become un-born again. It's impossible. But people who haven't had the experience of being born again are unable to understand what being born again is all about. Many of them think they understand it, but they don't.
I'm 76 years old now and I've been a Christian for 53 years. I accepted the Lord as my savior on April 28, 1970 at around 7:30 in the morning, then I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit about a half hour later. I was 23 years old then. I was raised atheist. My dad was a scientist and my mom was an intellectual, and they had both had bad experiences with 'church' when they were teenagers, and they both hated anything having to do with Christianity, and they professed atheism. So during my growing up years I too professed atheism. But I started having spirit realm experiences when I was sixteen years old, and I started looking for answers, and I found answers, or I should say the Lord found me (rescued me from myself and from eternal hell).
Anyway, during my 53 years as a Christian, one thing I've learned is that trying to explain spirit realm things to someone who has never experienced it is about like trying to explain what sex is like to someone who has never experienced it. You can go into the most thoroughgoing detail about it, and you can go on and on about it, but for all you can think of to say you can never get the virgin to understand what you're talking about. So regarding having understanding about spirit realm things, this woman who posted this video and most of her followers are totally devoid of it.
Another thing I've learned during my 53 years as a Christian is that debating with someone who has been taken over by a religious spirit is a complete waste of time and energy, for one thing because the religious spirits are passed masters at circular reasoning, so that after a lengthy debate they will swing the argument right back around to square one. This is especially true when the person is empowered by the religious spirit to benefit from it in some way, (e.g. self-importance, admiration by their peers, and maybe money).
In case you don't already know, the religious spirits are the highest echelon of foot soldier/warrior demons in the kingdom of darkness hierarchy, who are groomed by the fallen angels (aka 'principalities') to know how to mimic the Holy Spirit, and/or how to oppose him. What my discernment tells me about these two guys is that they're being totally controlled by religious spirits. They have gotten themselves into one hell of a mess spiritually.
Nice that you've stayed a Christian so long, and (if so) that's wonderful for you. But, most of us here are not here to hear about your "religious analysis" of Derek or Dr. Ehrmann's spiritual situation and/or condition. The Crowd here has (mostly) been in Christianity before and/or studied it in pretty good detail. And, that's why the typical "opinions of a religious person" really don't matter to too many people here, because we have been there. And, most of us believed the same stuff that you believe now, maybe even believed it more intently than you suspect or probably realize.
So, you are welcomed to join everyone here, but just understand that we are searching for knowledge and for insight. Nothing we say here, is directed at you personally. It's just that we are trying to better understand how the Character of Jesus became who He was, and we are trying to gain insights into religion for our own personal knowledge and learnings. But, saying we are doomed to hell or are "[in] one hell of a mess spiritually" doesn't show that you really understand what Myth Vision Podcast is about yet.
But, stay and learn. We're are all willing to be welcoming to new people.
@@PoeLemic ~ When I read your reply the first thought I had was a remembrance of Nietzsche's famous quote: "Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions to be destroyed." If you think these two guys have even the tiniest smidgen of understanding about Christianity then I'd like to sample some of what you're smoking.
If you believe you experience a “spirit realm”, I suggest you seek out the services of a qualified mental health professional.
@@devinbraun1852 ~ Seeing as how in your tiny world you obviously have no concept of the spirit realm you purport to be qualified to tell me I need professional help? I know you would never believe it, but it is you who needs help, and 'qualified professionals' won't be able to touch your problems.
@@jimyost2585 why are you here as well as trolling on Kristi's page?. No one here wants what you are" smoking, " Your beliefs hold NO VALUE here ,, I think you just like to troll and demonize others because your own life lacks any meaning....and we can all say the quote by Nietzsche applies to you as well...
If the Word is Jesus then from the beginning he had not learned to be obedient to himself until 2,000 years ago, and was fearful according to the following verses,
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:7-8 (KJV)
And why would God not know to refuse the evil and choose the good?
16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. Isaiah 7:16 (KJV)
Everyone knows this cannot be.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but WAS in all points TEMPTED (in contradiction to 13 … for God CANNOT be tempted with evil, …James 1:13 (KJV)) like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:14-15 (KJV).
Two separate wills mean two separate beings.
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42 (KJV)
And
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30 (KJV)
30 I and my Father are one. John 10:30 (KJV) simply mean that Jesus and the Father are working for the same end, the salvation of man. John 17:21-22 (KJV).
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the WORD (not son), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7 (KJV)
Jesus is a man that was given the Word and taught to be obedient to it and thereby perfectly giving us an example to follow and live by the Word in the flesh, becoming our savior and the author of our salvation through deed and script (the New Testament). And Jesus was given the position of high priest and “Lord of Lords and Kings of Kings” because of his perfected obedience to the Word. And he was made God over us by the same principle that Moses was made God over Pharaoh Ex 7:1 (KJV).
There is only the FATHER that gave us his WORD (law, the ten commandments and their principles) to be our lord and God that we are commanded to love with all our heart, soul, strength, and mind. There is only the FATHER that sends his HOLY GHOST to work all things together for the good of those that love the lord their God.
By God’s righteousness he cannot create man with a free will without a plan of salvation knowing that man will give into the lusts of the flesh and be servants of death. From the beginning (John 1:1 (KJV)) that plan is the Word (God’s law) that entails a savior that completes or finishes the law (Word). Jesus was chosen to be that savior (the Word made flesh). The Word is not Jesus, but Jesus is a part of the Word.
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Psalms 33:6 (KJV)
“Jesus Christ came 2,000 years ago at the end of the fifth day and beginning of the sixth day and brought the New Testament which gives true meaning to the laws of God in the Old Testament and is a way of making it possible for all people to understand. The teachings of Christ in the New Testament finished the laws of God which are in the Old Testament (confirming those laws, not doing away with them as most people believe) St. John5:36, St. Matt.5:17, and His teachings in the New Testament of the bible is His spiritual blood, St. John6:63 and St. Mark14:23-25. He did not change any laws of the Old Testament. He repeatedly refers to the Ten Commandments which were given in the Old Testament. It is there one must study the laws to truly understand the breakdown and true meaning of all laws.
Jesus Christ said He came not to destroy or change, but to fulfill and finish the laws, St.John4:34, 17:4, 19:30.” ~ #2 143,999+1
Don’t take my word for it, or any bodies for that matter. Come to the bible (KJV) with a clean slate and with sincere want for truth, and not to consume it upon your lusts, but that you may do true worship and obedience to God, with a repentant heart, and with reason and logic the spirit of God will teach.11 … in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11 (KJV)
And for Jesus to be God, his sacrifice would be a mockery, “see I can do it, now you do it” knowing that he cannot die. Jesus is man just like the men and women he shows the way to live according the word in the flesh: 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should FOLLOW HIS STEPS:...1 Peter 2:21-24 (KJV).
The government that gives life consists of the “Father” who gave us his only begotten son, the word(law, “all mighty God”) and sent to this world his “Prince of peace”, our High Priest, lord, king, and mediator Jesus Christ.
All glory to God. Amen
And Caesar Augustus was also called the Son of God, the Prince of Peace, Messiah: Saviour of Rome and King of the World. His birth was also heralded by a sign saying a king was to be born and the Roman senate wanted him killed! He also read his father's will (JuliusCaesar) and performed it, thus obeying the 'Will of his father, God'. Julius Caesar's death was marked by an earthquake and darkness and the silent ascention of many from graves!
Let's say it how it is: God sacrificed himself TO himself to APPEASE himself of the laws HE made!
Who has time to read your copy-paste nonsense... you lazy preaching robots
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic your ignorance is overwhelming as there is no causation.
Your ignorance is overwhelming as John 20:28 states " Thomas says to Jesus: The LORD of me and the GOD of me."
Jesus is the incarnation of the God/ man .
@@davidjanbaz7728 "And he was made God over us by the same principle that Moses was made God over Pharaoh Ex 7:1 (KJV)."
Look i`m a atheist and believe in no gods but some of the sayings attributed to Jesus are pretty sound and good. Do unto others as you`d have them do unto you for one. It did become the founding culture of the West. A great myth
The golden and silver rules, as well as the rule of love are attributed to philosophers 100s to 1000 years before Yeshua ben Josef, a text claimed he repeated some of the versions of ethics of reciprocity, but there had been plenty of time fro the writer to had hear the same versions since several versions had been circulation from Asia to Rome and as close as Egypt.
@@JustifyingBeliefs Well good on them mate
@@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf The sayings you claim were "attributed" to Yeshua ben Yosef (Jesus) had been confirmed by several philosophers first. So the founding culture of the West is based on great philosophy not on a fictional character that repeated the rules of great philosophers.
@@JustifyingBeliefs Cool mate
Great, now you that you had been educated, do not ever make those unsubstantiated claims again.
Leonardo da Vinci was probably the first artist who recognised that Messiah Isa Ibn Mariyum was not divine. He expressed his thought by not drawing Halo in his iconic masterpiece ‘ The last Supper’! May God bless both Messiah Isa Ibn Mariyum RA and his mother Hazrat Mariyum RA, Ameen.
And Muhammad isn't a prophet of YHWH either : which makes your statement ignorant!
Cherry picking will not help your argument, it only will make you look ignorant.
@@davidjanbaz7728 I love to watch people argue over who's god is the true God.. the sheer ignorance in people is staggering... Why people can't figure out that the Bible, the Quran, the trials of Hercules, Dionysus Attis Osiris Persephone Odin Mithras Krishna innana and many more are all allegorical for the same thing.. different cultures used different symbols but they are all without exception describing A PROCESS.. the greatest secret ever known to man.. how to "know thyself" how to become aware of who you truly are... The prisca theologia is right there hidden in theses myths and stories that people think actually occured..
Totally missing the point
the son of the blessed and the blessed lady , heymen
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How could God in the flesh not be special? No one like Him.
Bart’s point is that there WERE others who were like him! Did you listen to what he said?
@@kjmav10135 Bart is wrong. There were no others like Christ. No one in history has done miracles like He did and rose from the dead.
@@Justas399 Don’t know how to break this to you, but other messiah/demigod figures performed miracles, reappeared after death, and even ascended. I like a lot of what the gospels have Jesus saying and doing-protecting the marginalised and reaching out to the scorned. I like what they have him saying about blessing peacemakers and caring for the refugee, the immigrant, and the orphan. Those are beautiful things. But the miracle, resurrection, ascension stuff? All tropes.
@@kjmav10135 Ok. Give me the evidence you have for other "messiah/demigod figures performed miracles, reappeared after death, and even ascended."
Then we can see if there is good reasons to believe they happened. Need to know the eyewitnesses and your sources.
@@Justas399 You are mixing up history with mythic traditions. I cannot believe that you are actually requesting eyewitnesses to mythic events. Seriously? These are MYTHOLOGIES, not historical realities. Jesus may have been an historic person, but the picture painted of him in the gospels included plenty of mythologising. There was a real “Johnny Appleseed,” however, his actual life story was shot through with mythology. Same thing with Jesus. So, it’s ridiculous to ask for “eyewitness accounts” of mythology. If you really do want to understand what I am talking about (which I sort of doubt you do), I would refer you to Bart Ehrman’s book, “How Jesus Became God,” and Richard C Miller’s “Resurrection and Reception in Early Christianity.” It would be amazing if you actually pursued the context and history surrounding the beginnings of Christianity. I think it may be too frightening for you.
Jesus is ver special... the desperated Bart and Derek have dedicate their lives to fight against Jesus... they try and try... and fail and fail... and again and again
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Wow lol did you have a stroke while writing that? What happened?
Edit: Also the people that you're talking don't even believe in the existence of your favorite magical character, so what are you on about?
@@consciousmindgame5047 It is simple. They simply are lying... again and again... They spend their lives saying that jesus is not special, they spend their lives on someone they consider not special... this is a big contradiction.
They are obsessed with the non-special Jesus. If he is not special, it is better that they dedicate themselves to things that are special to them.
@@onlytruth6337 Bro, you sound stupid - so by your logic they shouldn't study or analyze supposed important historical figures?
So just because someone is not special means we shouldn't pay attention to them? According to who? And like I said before these people DON'T believe in the existence of jesus
It's just like Santa Claus, most people know that Santa is not special and doesn't exist but regardless people know and are familiar with santa so their gonna talk about him, especially considering the fact that pertaining to this particular situation the people you're talking about used to be christians, how do you know their lying where's your evidence for that claim? Your logic is absolutely flawed.
@@onlytruth6337
Why do you think that the fictional Bible character known as Jesus is special?
Being the Creator in the flesh, I would say that Jesus is the one and only. You cannot get any more special than that.
If you have evidence that the Bible figure known as Jesus existed, provide it.
However, it is an absolute fact that there is literally no contemporaneous evidence that Jesus ever existed.
Paul made up the Jesus fiction in 48 AD after the Daniel 9:25 prophesy failed to fulfill.
Shouldn't we expect that if God was walking around town for thirty years that the locals would have noticed?
Fun fact: none of the Gospel authors witnessed Jesus.
_"Being the Creator in the flesh..."_
Jesus cannot be God:
Rev 1:1
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him."
John 20:11
"I have not yet gone back up to my father and your father, my god and your god."
John 17:3 (while praying to God)
"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God..."
Proof from the Old Testament that Jesus is not God :
The Bible says that God won’t dwell on Earth because Earth can’t contain God but Jesus lived on Earth so he cannot be God:
"But will God indeed dwell with man on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you, how much less this house that I have built!"
(2 Chronicles 6:18)
"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built!"
(1 Kings 8:27)
The Bible states that anyone who looks at God will die but people looked at Jesus and did not die so Jesus cannot be God:
"You cannot see My face, for man shall not see Me and live."
(Exodus 33:20)
The Bible states that God is not a man so Jesus cannot be God:
"I am God and not a man..."
(Hosea 11:9)
"For He is not a man..."
(1 Samuel 15:29)
"God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent."
(Numbers 23:19)
The Bible states that anyone who is born of woman is an unclean maggot so Jesus cannot be God:
"How then can man be just with God, and how can one born of woman be clean? How much less, a man, who is a worm, and the son of man, who is a maggot!"
(Job 25:4-6)
The Bible states that God cannot be taken to trial so Jesus cannot be God:
"God is not a mortal like me, so I cannot argue with him or take him to trial."
(Job 9:32)
The Bible rejects the Trinity by denying that God has partners:
"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods upon My face."
(Exodus 20:2-3)
"Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand."
(Deuteronomy 32:39)
"Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."
(Isaiah 43:10-11)
"I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God."
(Isaiah 45:5-6)
"I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me."
(Isaiah 46:9)
"There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you."
(1 Samuel 2:2)
The Bible says that God doesn’t sleep:
"He who keeps you will not slumber. Behold, He who keeps Israel Shall neither slumber nor sleep."
(Psalms 121:3-4)
Yet Jesus slept:
"And suddenly a great tempest arose on the sea, so that the boat was covered with the waves. But Jesus was asleep. Then his disciples came to him and awoke him, saying : “Lord, save us! We are perishing!”
(Matthew 8:24-25)
The Bible says God can’t grow weary:
"The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary."
(Isaiah 45:5-7)
But Jesus grew weary:
"Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well."
(John 4:6)
_"Being the Creator in the flesh..."_
The Bible makes it clear that a human descendant of David, not God, was the father of Jesus. The terms, "seed", "flesh", "root", "fruit of his loins", and "offspring" mean that Jesus was the biological son of Joseph.
Matthew 1:1
"This is the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David."
John 6:42
"They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
Acts 2:30
"Therefore being a prophet [David], and knowing that God had sworn an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne."
Hebrews 2:16
"For he [Jesus] took not the nature of angels, but the seed of Abraham."
Acts 13:23
"Of David's seed hath God, according to his promise, raised unto Israel a savior, Jesus."
Romans 1:3
"Concerning his son Jesus Christ, who was made of the seed of David according to the flesh."
2 Timothy 2:8
"Remember that Jesus Christ is the seed of David."
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus have sent my angel to testify unto you these things in the churches; I am the root (progeny) and the offspring of David."
John 1:45
“We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote; Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”
Matthew 9:27
"When Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, thou son of David, have mercy on us."
Jesus had brothers and sisters (not half-brothers and half-sisters):
Galatians 1:19
"I saw none of the other apostles--only James, the Lord's brother."
Mark 6:3
"Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are His sisters not here with us?"
Matthew 13:55-56
“Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren't all his sisters with us?"
Read Genesis 2 verse 7.... we all are.. anyone explaining different claiming to tell the truth is a liar by default..
@@twitherspoon8954 On the mothers side. The Holy Spirit/God is the Father. Jesus is the eternal Creator in the flesh. The Bible makes this clear. John 1:1... etc.
A shyster, yes, you would know.
He absolutely, without question,was special. He is the most famous and influential human being to have ever walked on the face of the Planet Earth, throughout ALL HISTORY. That alone makes him special.
Furthermore - there were many Jewish' messiahs " and charismatics. Both before and after Jesus lived on Earth. ( Including "Apollonius of Tyana"). However- NONE OF THEM. NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM, would succeed. ONLY Jesus did. For numerous reasons.
So absolutely yes- Jesus is special. For so many reasons and on so many levels.