There’s also the fact that Olly’s hatred of Toads could be seen as Nintendo making fun of and acknowledging the complaints the fans have made of all the characters just being Toads in the last three Paper Mario games.
No, King Olly's hatred isn't a middle finger to the old fans, it's just considered taboo to draw on origami. By taboo, as in, bad. Although since it is more implicit stuff and less explicit, I don't blame you for not knowing.
Paper Mario is the definition of "Please-a Nintendo! Don't turn me into a marketable (Insert arts and crafts tool here)!" And they just keep going through the list of tools
@@JoshioE110 IS made Paper Mario since the very begining, the guilty one is Shigeru Miyamoto who wants to make PM characters to be less original and stay to the original characters
If I may say something about the rant regarding king Olly, the reason of his anger about the scribble on his chest is the fact that writing on origami is sometimes considered to be taboo, thus making Olly think the Toad who crafted him only did so to make a living mockery of the art form.
It'd make sense to come to that conclusion, considering the guy apparently had all of those 'forbidden origami tools' around his workshop. Like, it's taboo to use things like staplers and tape on your origami, too. Maybe he just had them for other things? Still.
@@rockowlgamer631 Sounds like as good a reason as any, to be honest. His creator gave him life and the ability to comprehend the world essentially for the heck of it and drew on him without him being able to know what it was he wrote (or perhaps Olly was so disgusted by it that he could never bring himself to check, like it was an ugly scar or something). Imagine if you got to meet god seconds after you were born, and he gave you the impression that he made you for no particular purpose at all. And then wrote his signature on your forehead or something.
@@helfire14 Here's the issue: When the fans have to dig deep into something that wasn't at all in the game, it shows just how poorly written the game was. This taboo idea was never explored in the game, and it's more a justification/rationalization than any actual good writing
@@zant1566 Well, like I mentioned in my second comment, it'd be kind of an awful thing to happen to you regardless of whether it was taboo or not. It just sounds kind of silly on paper (pun unintended) until you really think about what it would be like to be in his position. It doesn't immediately come to mind, granted - we're not made of paper like 90% of the characters in the game are - but I can always appreciate writing that lets me use my imagination to fill in certain details, gives me something that doesn't occur to me the first couple of times I think about it, then suddenly hits me one day. Keeps me thinking about a game for longer. That's just my view on it, though.
Well, I suppose that makes sense if the framerate problem's as bad as he says. I don't quite recall such issues in my experience, but I'll take his word for it. Still kind of a shame you don't get to see it for long, though.
@@gemraldkid6304 it only really chugged for me during those realistic water cutscenes, so if it was there forever, it would probably screw the framerate pretty bad
"Now that Blessed or Messed is officially out of aesthetical beta.." Your DAMN right about that!! Definitely the best BoM episode I've seen from you Logan!! Keep your rank as my favorite TH-camr with all this improvement!! Missed you buddy....
Origami King is the perfect example of so close and yet so far. They got almost everything right, and honestly, if they don't wanna bring EXP back, I thought of a nice alternative they could try to give players a progression system while, ahem, 'not returning the series to its RPG routes'. Like, maybe there could be special blue/red coins that could only be obtained from fighting random enemies. These coins could be used in gyms scattered across the world where you pay the owner to let Mario work out on one of three or four machines, each one used to upgrade a certain stat. Like, you can increase his HP by 5, or increase FP (If they ever decide to bring that back) by 5, an maybe there could be one where you can increase his strength by one point of damage for a much higher cost, and another for increasing defense, and for each time you increase a certain stat, the cost for the next increase goes up.
Yeah I’ve seen a few games that have mechanics like that and that would be a good alternative, on another note no matter what Nintendo says if you keep the turn based combat in the game it is an RPG that is literally one of the base features of an RPG.
@@digishade7583 Turned based combat is not inherent to an RPG nor is an RPG inherent to turned based combat. Not even all JRPGs have turn based combat.
I really liked that the writers seemed to acknowledge he just looked like a generic enemy and actually wrote that into the lore of the character. He IS just another bob-omb, and that’s why his backstory is tragic. He and all of his friends just wanted to do their best to make a positive change before their lives ended
I don't think I've ever legitimately thought "fuck you" about someone's opinion. I today, I continue that streak! thank you for putting words to how great PM:TOK Is!
Olivia really stole my heart when I first started playing this game. And, you know what? She can have it. She's so sweet, energetic, optimistic, and innocent, and every word out of her nonvisible mouth made me smile. Deadass, most if not all of the photos and videos I took in The Origami King were of her. And her musical number in the desert was one of the biggest highlights of my playthrough! She's the Best Girl we didn't deserve, but needed.
@@MrSentinel07 I'm not usually one to get that bent out of shape over someone disagreeing with my opinions, but in this case? Get creased, you valley-folded sheet of papyrus.
Man, looking over these comments, it's clear that this is still such a divisive game, which is a testament to how much the previous two games threw everything off. While I might have some preference to the first three, I still had a lot of fun with Origami King, and really appreciate the efforts it made to break the mold it's stuck in. Great work on the rebrand, btw. The dual personified perspectives play off each other wonderfully!
Can I just say that Olivia is basically the best girl in the entire Paper Mario franchise? I even view her more as a sidekick than even the original partners like Goombella or Tippi. (Yeah, i said it, fight me)
The disappointing thing about the game for me personally is that the worlds and puzzles are actually phenomenal, the only problems I have are with the battle system :(
It was good because of the emphasis on strategy rather than button prompts and reaction time. I can see why people like the others better though. Also, I know you hate it but Hole Punch was a very fun boss.
@@googamp32 You need to stop harassing people over their opinion of this game. It's fine if you don't like it, but harassing others over it is extremely toxic. I wouldn't be surprised if Logan blocked you from his comments section.
@@googamp32 Ugh, it was bad enough with you on Twitter. If you’re just here to tell people they shouldn’t like the game because you don’t, kindly leave. Seriously, *no one* in this comments section wants to listen to someone who’s gonna act so condescending towards different opinions. Get off your high horse, just accept that people like the game, and maybe you wouldn’t be as ridiculed as you are with your legacy as the Total Drama profile pic who represents everything wrong with sections of the Paper Mario fanbase. Please grow up.
I successfully got it in my first attempt, and I sincerely can't relate to the hate on the ring puzzles, yes, sometimes it can be a bit frustrating (and the Shy Guy show was a pain in the a**) but overall I believe it's a creative gameplay mechanic and I wouldn't mind seeing it again if that means getting rid of Sticker Star's awful idea of making every attack and the key items expendable
There's something many people don't get about Olly's motivation. To quote Juno Songs as Olly: "I care not for the words he wrote, I'm mad that he did so at all!" Writing on your Origami is considered Taboo (except for fortune tellers I guess), and Olly felt insulted. THAT'S why he did all of this, not because he couldn't read, but because he wanted Toads to pay for mistreating him and Origami in general. Because he CARED.
Positives Story: Not as good as TTYD or SPM, but still good. Music: PHENOMENAL Level design: Best in the series. Battle system: I know people will disagree, but it's fun and unique. Bosses: Really good Characters: Memorable (Bobby is best bob-omb. Fight me) Negatives Only the bosses are original enemies Only two new characters with original designs Overall, I say this game is blessed.
For anyone reading this; you should play bug fables for a game in the style of the first two PMs with a bit of mario and luigi mixed in. It’s amazing, and really scratched my itch for one of those games. (I still love origami king though, just for different reasons)
To be honest, I feel Like Origami King definitely fits in the category of the third game of a series always being the best. Paper Mario 64 and Sticker Star are the first games of their series and the ones that have the most simplistic gameplay elements. most of it is played safe and usually doesn't go to far ahead. TTYD and Color Splash both improve what their previous games did and make what made their first games good (in a sense) better. Then we have Super Paper Mario and Origami King. Both flip their gameplays by altering everything. These games have the best story out of any game, their gameplay is completely different than their previous games, and are usually the ones that are slightly in the darker territory. Although I have never really beaten color splash, I've beaten the other 5 and I'd still put Origami King higher than TTYD. Which would put my stance as a bit biased, but there are things that TTYD has that honestly I don't care about and I feel like Origami King did those far better than TTYD. The Paper Mario Franchise is a fairly difficult subject to talk about as you are going to get people on both sides. It's the same with Luigi's Mansion. You have fans who praise the first game, a good bit of them will "beat down" those who like the other 2 games. And then you have Dark Moon fans (like an unmentionable youtuber who did an abridged series on it) who is more likely to criticize or even mock those who like the first game. The third game is unique in that it has its own fans but a good bit of the ones who like it, don't really attack those who prefer Dark Moon or the Original. Heck, Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion are almost the same in their own right. Both fanbases have those who are toxic to those who disagree with the opposing opinion. I am a devout Dark Moon Fan and I even made it my opinion as I played through all 3 games so I can see what the people see in the OG game and then best thing the OG game had was honestly Boolossous, which is sad. Going back to King Olly as a villain, excluding his reasoning behind why he did what he did, I feel like he was honestly a perfect representation of someone who was pissed at the last 2 Paper Mario Games, with Olivia being the perfect representation of someone who wants to love and enjoy all Paper Mario Games and wants both sides to live in harmony. This is honestly why I feel like the next Paper Mario Games needs to do something major and combine elements from multiple previous games to make it better. Take 64 and Sticker Star. Imagine a classic style of gameplay, but Stickers can be used to temporarily buff up attacks or even change the way they work. For example, a Jump Sticker would allow Mario to jump on an enemy 3 times. or a Flame Hammer Sticker would allow Mario to give his Hammer Attacks a Fire-element property. The 7th Paper Mario Game, or at least the next 3 games needs to take the stuff the original trilogy did right, and what the modern trilogy did right and combine it together. I'd personally be glad for another Mario and Luigi game, but I know its a dead franchise, so if Paper Mario has to improve, it has to improve on both sides. The OG's need to find ways to talk it out with the Modern's and create an idea of a perfect Paper Mario Game. We have voices right? So why not instead of bitching about not getting out Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door version 420, update 69, featuring Luigi Mode, and talk about doing something that works with both the new and the old. Classic gameplay and modern elements can work. It's just that the fanbase needs to be willing to work together with those who disagree with them. Still, my order of Paper Mario games is honestly due to how much fun I had with them, and honestly, Origami King is number 1, with Super and 64 at second and third respectfully. TTYD is 4th with sticker star at 5th, and color splash at 6th place. Still this is before I replay Super and Sticker Star, and then beat Color Splash finally, before my stance changes, so that is my stance on the games.
Actually, my opinion on the series is pretty similar to yours 1) Origami king 2) Super 3) color splash/64 4) ttyd 5)sticker star Origami king is a blast to play,the battle system is original and entertaining,and the music and characters are top notch. Super has the best story out of the 6 games,and the best out of all the Mario sidescrollers. Color Splash is also pretty fun and 64 is perfect for only being the 1st instalment. TTYD is also great,but some of the ideas are litterally copy-pasted from 64(peach is captured in space,most of the partners have the same attacks of 64's partners and other things)and that damn backtracking in chapter 4 and to find General White it's just too much. Sticker Star still is the weakest in the series because is on 3ds,that's it.
@@Kuu-n-koi2317 color splash has better overworld gameplay and it's more immersive than ttyd. No one level feels like another and I honestly like toads. The fanbase just doesn't accept that even normal people can have interesting lives. Yeah they're using the Koopalings too much but if Jr can have a paper counterpart,why not have counterparts even for his step-siblings? And if you think about it,the Black paint was the real villain of the game. It's like the Venom of thr Mario series
0:48 Geez, what will Paper Mario 7, 8, and 9 be like? 7 being a safe and soulless reboot? 8 is the prettiest in the franchise but is poorly written and destroys the legacy characters and cannon? and 9 is a mess that has no idea what it wants to be and can't catch a break? I'll just wait for the spin off where they take care of a baby Yoshi... oh wait that was in TTYD.
Considering that the Paper Mario community (and the Nintendo community in general in all honesty) is a cesspit of hatred, pessimism, toxicity, and negativity, I’d have to say that for a lot of those people sadly no.
@@justagundam I wish I could. Trust me, I’m like one of the 5 people in the Nintendo community that is actually positive. But, the Nintendo community man.........
@@Rediscool9 let's be real, every Nintendo community (Kirby kinda excluded) is trash. It's either calling names, harassing each other over their own opinions, or bullying the devs. If I had a dead body for every toxic guy in every Nintendo community, 70% of Earth would be blood instead of red right now
I feel like this game makes more poor design decisions then even Color Splash. For example, whenever I explore, I never get anything of value, only collectables, coins, Toads that don’t do anything, and weapons that are arbitrarily added for challenge. I remember exploring Color Splash and being rewarded with unique and new cards that help in battle or optional things! It was rewarding... kinda. There were also toads to colorize and rescue in Color Splash that actually did stuff. Rescuing the rescue the rescue squad to progress. TTYD and N64 had the partner upgrades, items, star pieces, badges, and more. Those games still have much more rewarding exploration. Along with that, unlike literally every other Paper Mario game, this game never leaves you wondering what is left to explore. When the player first starts Sticker Star and sees the world map, so much is blocked off and it gets your imagination wild. Color Splash amplified this idea! The first three games didn’t have maps, but still blocked off several areas that made you very curious. This game doesn’t really do that and feels extremely linear because of that. There’s no hub and that is lame. The battles always suck. They always involve the same puzzles that get extremely repetitive. The whole appeal of the first 2 games’ combat was how it was open towards experimentation and customization! The only time Origami King has this are during the bosses, which most of them I actually enjoyed. However, the bosses can just end up being trial and error in some cases; where Mario ends up failing, then healing, then failing, then healing, the figuring out the puzzle, then repeat strategy. Back to regular battles, in Color Splash and even Sticker Star the battles were very customizable, with a huge variety of stickers and cards. The battles are basic. The puzzles in this game are pretty lame. Earlier games challenged you by giving you several tools and asking you to figure out which one is the right one to use. Color Splash and Sticker Star even did this with the things and although not all of the puzzle were done well, at least many offered a challenge. In Origami King, Mario barely has any tools and it sucks because they have mechanics like the 1,000 fold arms and confetti that are never use cleverly. The story sucks... Olly is evil because... and apparently he feels remorse out of nowhere and is supposed to be redeemed even though he basically wanted to commit mass genocide on par with what Hitler would do. And the whole plot is started by a generic Toad without personality. Greeeeeat. Olivia duing at the end also feels like another generic tactic to try to get me to care, but it’s hard to care when this is the FITH TIME IN A ROW they try to pull this “a character now has to die because it’s the end of the game” sort of thing in a Paper Mario game. Say what you will about Bowser being the main villain in SS and CS, but at least the plot wasn’t promising something it couldn’t deliver on. OK is not only stealing the mechanic of rescuing toads and doing is worse, but is also stealing the paint mechanic and doing it worse. They do NOTHING with the confetti mechanic at all. They could have made it a valuable rare resource, one that you can get from only battle. They could have turned it into an FP system, where special attacks cost confetti. It’s just lame. Speaking of copying mechanics from Color Splash, Origami King is the only Paper Mario game to borrow so heavily from the previous game’s art style, making the game feel more similar to Color Splash than giving it a unique identity. For a game that is supposed to be a “return to form”, it really doesn’t look like it. This game also borrows a similar style of humor from as Color Splash. Remember those cute dace scenes in OK, they were also in CS. How about the Mario Kart reference with Luigi? That was also in CS. Shy Guy Finish Last??? Ok, they aren’t even trying anymore! That’s Snifit or Whifit from SS and CS! Can this game be anymore similar to CS and SS?! The generic character design also is borrowed from Color Splash. Why would they take one of the worse elements from CS and not fix it!? It’s so easy! I even see several dedicated fans in the internet come up with unique and interesting characters! Speaking of the characters, the partners are the only characters in the game and most of them are nothing special. Bobby lacks a unique design and purpose until the end. Professor Toad doesn’t have much personality and doesn’t have a name and he’s pretty forgettable in comparison to TTYD and PM64 characters. Kamek is very unoriginal and same goes for Bowser Jr. and having Bowser in your party is nothing special ‘cause we have seen this in Super and it feels really awkward spend time with Bowser and he never really references past events he had with Mario. Feels like the writers really want to retcon stuff from prior games ‘cause we also see how bomb-oms don’t even follow the same rules from the original game. In the end OK is just CS with better art, slightly new mechanics (new, not better), and that’s about it. Very disappointing.
Alright, I disagree with most of your points so I'm gonna go through the ones I disagree the most with. The exploration, I think, is one of the best parts about Origami King. You talk about how there isn't much reward to exploring but that's personal preference. Finding collectibles and toads is fun for a lot of people. The Completionist, as an example, 100%ed the game TWICE and had a lot of fun during both playthroughs. For your second point, you mention that there is no hub. This is false, there is a building in toad town where there are a total of 6 pipes. You unlock these pipes as you go through the game, clearing them and allowing you to go through them. The game also has many moments where it leaves you wanting to explore. It shows you the volcano at the start of the game. At the beginning of the third "chapter," it shows the purple streamer over the ocean, which you continue following in the fourth "chapter." Bowser's Castle is a large area that is placed smackdab in the middle of the green streamer area that the player is constantly reminded about, which builds tension and makes you want to enter and explore it. I think the regular battle system is the worst part of the game but it's still not that bad. For puzzle solvers, solving many of these puzzles can be quite fun, and so your statement on how it's boring is subjective. Besides, even if the battle system was unplayable, it is heavily made up for by the variety of the puzzles and minigames scattered about the game. Gameplay is more than just battles. You also mention that a lot of the boss fights boil down to trial and error. I disagree. There are multiple hints that you can collect during battle that help you understand how to defeat the boss. There is no trial and error, there is always a clear goal in sight, it's just about how you get to that goal, which is the fun part. If you don't want to use the hints, then you're just making things harder for yourself aren't you? "The puzzles are lame." The puzzles are not lame. Your only argument for why the puzzles are lame is because Mario doesn't have any "tools." You don't need tools for good puzzles. Puzzles are... simply just that... puzzles. As long as they're fun, rack your brain, and are creative, they don't need tools. I'm not sure why that's such a large weakness for you. Who said Olly was supposed to be redeemed by the end? Did any of the characters be like "oh no, don't worry, we forgive you." The only one that showed any actual kind of emotion was Olivia, and that's because they're related. I agree that the Origami Craftsman is an underwhelming character but I don't see it as "the story was started from a boring, generic character," instead I see it as "this character is simply part of the main antagonist's backstory, and so they are simply a means to a start." I get that the "fifth time in a row" part is exaggerated, but it's still very untrue. Olivia is the only character to legitimately die after sacrificing themselves at the end. Kersti did something similar however she was revived immediately after, so there were no lasting consequences. I actually agree with the confetti part. There was one part of the game where confetti was treated as a limited resource, and I wish there were more moments like that, but yeah. Although filling in holes with confetti is pretty satisfying for some people (actually, most people considering how many people still fill in holes near the end game despite there being no reward other than coins) so at least it's not all bad. However, I do disagree with your point of Origami King doing the "rescuing toads" thing poorly. The toads are cleverly hidden with unique different forms after they fold. They also have very humorous dialogue and in general are very fun to look for and collect. I disagree with the argument that Origami King looks too much like Colour Splash, for multiple reasons. Although I'll just name one because I don't want to make an essay about this one point. Colour Splash's background is drawn, to make the game feel more like it's inside of a box than an open world. Origami King doesn't have these kinds of backgrounds, which makes it have a different feel and aesthetic than Colour Splash. Ok this point has to be a joke. The Mario Kart and Shy Guys Finish Last moments are not "humour." The Mario Kart thing is just a reference to Mario Kart, and the Shy Guys Finish Last is just a minigame. If you want to talk about humour, there are multiple other aspects that you have deliberately ignored just to support your claim. Bobby's slapstick during Autumn Mountain? The back and forth between Kamek and Bowser Jr? Bowser's entire presence? You didn't think any of that was original or at the very least entertaining? The "unoriginal character designs" thing is a meme at this point. There are a multitude of interesting looking characters in Origami King that people just forget exist. To name a few, there are the can food party crew, captain t. ode, the cosplayers at shogun studios, etc. Alright, time to deal with your arguments on the partners of the game. Yes, Bobby lacks an interesting design, that's the entire point, did you not see his backstory? And the fact that he only has an important role at the end is the entire point, I'm not sure you're even following the story. Professor Toad I agree with. Even among us Origami King fans, we think that Professor Toad is very underwhelming. I don't think a single Origami King fan will tell you that he's a good character (although I will take this opportunity to say that TTYD partners weren't that interesting, many of them had bland personalities and then we also had Flurrie). Are you really going to say that Kamek and Bowser Jr are unoriginal? Really? When they possess some of the best dialogue in the game, you're really going to call them unoriginal? I tell you this, Kamek and Bowser Jr are a more entertaining dynamic than anything you can find in TTYD. Having Bowser in your party isn't meant to be special due to it being new, it's meant to be special because it represents the endgame. Bowser has some of the best dialogue in the game, and that alone makes him worthy of being a good partner. Also, is your biggest problem really the fact that Bowser doesn't reference past Paper Mario games? Why would Bowser reference those events? Anyway, you came to the conclusion that they just want to ignore the previous games right? Well there's an entire room in "chapter" 3 that disproves this. In this room, multiple portraits of Peach from previous Paper Mario games are hung up, and Bobby makes a reference to Bobbery. ALSO, I've talked about this a lot before so I'll keep this super quick now. Your point about bob-ombs not working like they do in the original game. This isn't actually Origami King's fault. If you look back at TTYD, you can actually fight bob-ombs in battle, and what do you think happens once they explode? That's right, they DIE. It's not that Origami King changed the rules, it's that TTYD was inconsistent with the rules to begin with. TTYD is the one at fault here.
@@staticchimera44 I think exploring the world is very unfulfilling because when compared to all of the previous games, none of the rewards here matter. None of them help you in battle and feel like a waste of my time. I'd hardly consider Toad Town a hub here. You don't even return to it once you have finished a chapter. Unlike in the first 3 Paper Mario games, it doesn't really block off progress so that when you return it feels like you there is much to explore. I remember when I played TTYD for the first time wondering what could be behind the west side of Rogueport or what was south of Toad Town in PM64. Origami King blocks off the sea in its hub and that's about it. It was honestly kind of awkward when I had to return to Toad Town because it felt very inconsistent with how the rest of the game was designed. Ok, I will admit that I didn't go in depth with every point that I made... but this is a TH-cam comment after all. I had no clue if anyone would actually read all of my points. I digress. When I was refering to the puzzles, I was talking about the puzzles in the overworld. There really wasn't a single puzzle that I recalled in the overworld that felt very satisfying to figure out. In previous games in the series, the overworld puzzles overwhelmed the player with options and the challenge came from figuring out which tool was the right one to use and when. Origami King doesn't have that. I remember encountering this one puzzle late in the game, after chapter 4, where I had 4 very basic elemental skills and there was this giant pad telling me to use them. in front of an open flame and it was very obvious that I had to use the water velemental to remove it. There was very little thought involved with that puzzle. During the whole process of solving that puzzle I thought to myself, "wait, isn't this the same puzzle from Color Splash where I was required to use a fire extinguisher to take out the fire in the FIRST boss?" Olly was a very bad villain and I just thought his whole story was huge missed opportunity. The reason unoriginal character designs in Paper Mario is a meme is because of how is an actual issue in this game. I remember playing TTYD for my first time and being super interested in seeing new spices and characters. I don't really get that same satisfaction out of this game. Yeah, we get new origami characters and origami bosses which are admittedly really cool, but the NPC character designs are where the game fails. And what were they thinking with the stationary?! Having scissors and tape as a boss is really lame! Why couldn't the stationary be operated by an intimidating boss character, or perhaps they could be possessed by ghosts with different designs. Heck, why not make them Origami ghosts? If the game wants me to take the story, the world, and Bobby's sacrifice seriously, why does it have these office supplies as characters? I feel like the lack of giving Bobby an interesting design doesn't really make sense when you put into context that previous Paper Mario games gave typical bomb-oms new designs. It's actually hard to believe that was one of the main draws of Paper Mario initially was the fact that it breathed new life into these typical enemies from the Mario series. The first thing you saw from PM64 was a village of goombas, each with their own name, design, and personality to make them feel alive! TOK struggles to create more than 2 distinct designs for goombas. There's the vanilla basic goomba, the bone goomba, and that Shogun Studios goomba. None have their own name, distinct personality, and 2 were models copied from Color Splash. Yeah, this game's character designs are a serious downgrade from games over 15 years prior and it is not even worth defending. I will admit that the partners could sometimes end up being one-note and/or bland in the older games, but the reason people want partners back is so they can expand upon them and give them even more personality. Anyways, personality isn't the entire reason people want to bring back partners, but it's also because they added more depth to the combat, they were great tools for the over world, and they had extremely memorable designs! The partners in OK all lack unique designs, use in the overworld, and any tactical depth in the combat. See, that's where my problems with these "partners" lay. Professor Toad is the ONLY partner that does anything on the overworld and it's not used extremely cleverly, if there's a glowing spot, just use him. He is easily replaceable by a shovel. As a long time Paper Mario fan, is is just really disappointing to see how little they have progressed from TTYD.
Opinions surround though my main gripe with modern PAPER Mario is that they keep bringing turn based combat and then try to call the game an action adventure game which makes no sense when turn based combat is one of the staples of RPGs (also on a side note that I don’t know if anyone else noticed but the way the rings work makes the phrase “turn based combat” into a pun) also the original name for paper Mario was Mario story in Japan meaning the only thing that made it paper like was the fact that all the sprites were flat, Nintendo just took the western name for the games and ran with it to a ludicrous degree
Ngl the collectibles I liked far more than anything ttyd or 64 had to offer Models or characters and locations, the sound test, *concept art* Tbf Olly's motivations do make sense. Writing on origami *no matter what* is considered taboo. Even if it's kind words, it's no different than tattooing a baby. The craftsman flat out disgraced the artform without realizing
It also kinda makes sense when you remember that the craftsman lives alone on an island. He probably doesn't have close ties with the public's view on origami so he might've thought that writing on origami was perfectly fine.
It’d be amazing if the current Paper Mario team were to have their restrictions regarding characters lifted. Also what do you think would’ve happened if they kept the original title of Mario Story when localizing the first Paper Mario?
I don't think the title mattered, the way I see it is that IS thought about the paper aesthetic and wanted to make it focused around paper because the idea is cool.
There is a moment in the game where she loosely refers to herself as a princess. When shes doing the whole elevator operator stitch at overlook tower and the elevator crashes. She describes the first floor as a place where you can find broken dreams and crushed princesses... tho not in those exact words
Other than the fact that I like Color Splash more than the average joe, I completely agree everything said here. It's a good step in the right direction, but still a couple steps away.
Same tho think its me playing CS was a fun experience since it was at a time there was no review thanks to their error so had a fun time with my own opinion without clouded judgment (plus i had 0 interest until I saw a trailer that had a yoshi attacking mario) So it was an enjoyable time but OK is a very nice step loved it alot
Glad to see the series you love is coming back to its former glory. Not completely back, but it took notes and tried to capture what the original three had in terms of depth.
I’ve been waiting for this for quite a while! Origami King may not be perfect, but is still so fun, charming, and even thoughtful in how it presented this world and characters. And holy shit are those Legion of Stationary battles epic!
This is a really great video. I really like how Awful’s Opinion has a unique voice now it makes him feel like his own character and makes it easier to identify who’s talking. I haven’t played origami king but honestly your video might convince me to buy it. Also I want to recommend Bug Fables:The Everlasting Sapling, it’s a spiritual successor to original paper Mario but in my opinion it’s better than thousand year door and it’s one of my favorite games ever and I definitely know that you would like it a lot even if you don’t like it as much as thousand year door. Also the game is about bugs and any game about bugs is always a good game.
Another good video. Just one advice : Think of adding a spoiler alert for those who haven't played/finished the game. Your videos might also give people the will to try it so that's another reason to add it. Keep up the good work, Logan. We love it.
Funny story I was wondering about speedster and while I was revisiting my childhood I looked at his subscriptions and found out HOLY SHIT FAWFULS MINION it’s been so long since I got into him I watched the 2 videos about him leaving and coming back and the moment I saw top 18 Pokémon type and he was very similar in the consistency of his comedy after going back into it made me sub and turn noti’s on it made me feel like a kid again I shit you not 5 minutes later he uploads a video and I have a hearty laugh Good to be back fawfuls hope you can continue to impress with your excellence
After reading the comments, I kind of like how even regarding some of the awful opinions to be debatable is a good thing. Every player's experience of the game is different, and that includes how much lore can be oversighted. It wasn't in this video, but the fact that there are cafes for even Bowser's minions is just so goddamn nice for Paper Mario lore it's sickening. While the RPG has folded into an amalgamation of an identity crisis, the writers really had it in the bag!
Ngl origami's ending honestly felt so emotional that i cried one time( what? Ya think it's wierd? well then go somewhere else boi I actually missed that stupid chatty gal, and don't get me started on bobby, I'd cry otherwise)
It’s very funny he compared this series to Star Wars, because that’s exactly what it’s like. First is really good, Second is even better, Third is not as good as the last two, but still a fun time, Fourth is a bloody stain on the entire franchise, Fifth is better than the last but still not good, and Sixth is a return to form that is right up there with the original trilogy, but everyone disregards it because 4 and 5 left a bad taste in everyone’s mouths.
The fuck you mean? All 2 trilogies are great, the second is better at worldbuilding than the first and the first is better at storytelling than the second. The third trilogy... we dont talk about that shit bro, no no no
@@michelecastellotti9172 He meant that for a while, and possibly even now, the prequels where considered bad by star wars fans and the victim of fandom bullying. Things may have changed because of the sequel trilogy which retroactively improved people's opinion on the prequels. The thread starter is simply bringing up how people disregard Origami King because of the previous 2 games and still bitch to this day.
@@thomasalvarenga2839 oh no no, i get it, but i am one of those who loved the prequels and OT equally, ALWAYS, since i first saw the prequels, so this concept to me is nonsensical. Origami king is good, i see what people loved about the Og, but origami king is still incredibly good
And people said I was crazy saying this game brought back the magic of the series :) For anyone else here (that's not from the server), I consider this to be tied for the best in the series, right up there with TTYD Good to have you back after the adsense NONSENSE my guy! Eager to see how the quality improves from here
@@googamp32 Yeah, dude. Get off your high horse and please stop harassing people over their own opinions. If they like this game, so what? Why does that give you the right to harass other people over it? Why are you making strawman arguments to support your points? Moreover, why don't you just *stop?*
Glad you enjoyed Origami King but alas I can't vibe with that ring system and lack of incentive to get into regular battles which is too bad cause the story sounds friggin awesome I really hope they nail both in the next Paper Mario game...oh yeah and great video as always
This game, so close to perfection, but perfection is a limit as high as infinitum. At the very least it did it's best with the limitations imposed. Now, if it didn't have such ludicrous inhibitions it would've been a masterpiece. They best take notes on what didn't work so they can have their own style while pleasing everyone.
Who said anything about replacing, replicating or forgetting the old games? If this game managed to make a battle system that was different, yet very engaging and most of all, very rewarding, it would've been a perfect game in it's own right and it's own way. Plus, let's not kid ourselves, when the old trilogy failed, it REEKED with the scent of poison mushrooms and mistakes.
@@supermariogamer5294 Right, but battling in an RPG is half of the gameplay. There has to be some sort of reward; a way to make the player stronger for stronger enemies. That's what the first three SPM games did. But then Sticker Star stripped it away, replacing the reward of EXP for useless coins. I'll give Origami King some credit: at least they made the useless coins more useful. But there's still no sense of fulfillment in the battle systems. Then again, I don't really have any right to judge, as I've never played the game, nor do I plan to in the future. So I could be totally wrong about all of this. But this is just my opinion.
@@LairoftheManiacs it *could* have worked if more thought was put into the reward aspects, *even* with no EXP. Coins: Limit them to be plentiful in battles and scarce in the overworld (aside from the minigames), use them to buy better gear, more attacks or fixing your old gear and attacks. Confetti and battles: enemies can drop "summons", use these to summon different enemies in paper form to do various things Mario can't, they are unlimited uses but cost confetti to be used. Ring battles: remove the helps and restrict the timer to bosses, make the enemies far more resilient and not allow them to surrender, set moves, 4 actions max, no bonuses. Unlockables: boss summons for the Legion (2 action slots taken each time, very powerful), unlockable action slots each 2 Vellumental bosses.
God, this game...despite my own personal grievances, Origami King is MORE than worthy of the Paper Mario moniker! Here's hoping they end up using what really worked from this as the framework for the next chapter!
Hey great video. I gotta say though, Normally I'm totally a fan of the older games like 64 and was disappointed with Sticker Star, but when I see fans of the old series placing so much emphasis on "experience points", I just don't know anymore. The old games had so much other stuff going for them and people's main focus is on EXP systems of all things? I do dare question if "role-playing game" absolutely necessitates having an EXP-based levelling system. As an incentive to battle? I dunno, if you have to add an incentive for battles I'd say it's time to question whether unscripted battles really need to be there in there first place. If anything, the diminishing Star Points in 64 incentivize you to avoid battles until you're in a later area with greater rewards and to not battle at all if you're visiting earlier areas. As for upgrading stats, that can he handled through exploration like they did with the hearts. It is more fun to explore a fun world and look for secrets than to grind to increase some arbitrary number. 64's system keeps you at a decent level for whatever area you're in and never really gets in your way, but that still doesn't explain why it needs to be there in the first place.
"if you have to add an incentive for battles I'd say it's time to question whether unscripted battles really need to be there in there first place." Honestly, a somewhat inverted version of this statement is why I hate SS/CS **obsession** with forced battles, they knew. Though TOK still has this, yes, it's to a far more normal degree.
So you can feel more powerful the further you go. That's the incentive for all RPGs gameplay wise. That's like saying what's the point of sp points increasing to compensate for cost heavy moves when they could be the same price as any other. It's part of the progression for rpgs. I don't see the issue if it gives players a reason to fight anyhow, which modern paper mario is still struggling with.
I always said that Paper Mario The Origami King would be the best game since Super Paper Mario and was a good step back in the right direction. I only hope that the series continues to get better from here on out.
Well, the thing about King olly is, well, it's been said that writing on origami, regardless of the intent, is a sin against the art of origami, so, yeah, olly does have a genuine reason to hate toads in a way a traditional origami artist would look down on those who use tools similar to the bosses in this game.
“I came with a scarred vengeance, and left excited to be read the next chapter. I think you should be too, because giving up is stupid. And we can’t just fold over for a few by gone mistakes.” Yup, you’re my favorite youtuber
I have never clicked on an upload so fast. Edit: Oh i love the new voice for Awful's Opinion. I sometimes had trouble telling which Logan was talking when they werent on screen in the last one and this is a fun way to make it obvious. Great stuff as always Logan.
Okay, I’m just gonna say it right now. I definitely like a good many things about this game, but I can’t bring myself to buy it in good faith. I don’t hate Origami King, nor do I fault anyone who likes it, but I just can’t see myself playing it. I can see what it’s trying to do and I greatly appreciate it, but it just saddens me from what I’ve seen and the various articles I’ve read that Nintendo seems to refuse to return to how things were a long time ago. Origami King has things that harken back to the original Trilogy, but I honestly feel it’s still stuck in the shadow of Sticker and Color. I’m sorry. I respect Origami King and what it’s done, but it’s not a game that I think I would enjoy from start to end. Call me a TTYD fanboy all you want, but I took a genuine look at Origami King, and I don’t think I can enjoy it all the way.
That's the same as how I feel about it. I don't hate or love it, but I just can't bring myself to buy it and/or play it. After Sticker-star ruined Paper Mario, I find that the later installments after "Super" just...pale in comparison.
Awful's Opinion's voice wasn't supposed to be that echoey, the final render messed up the audio levels a bit.
Will have much less reverb next episode!
Actually, I like Awful's voice.
I think it’s fine in my opinion. Gives him a more evil feel. XD
Will admit, I like it. Makes it easier to tell Lawful and Awful apart
Oddly enough, I think it was kind of funny when Awful's Opinion brought the context of his voice in-video!
I actual liked the echo
There’s also the fact that Olly’s hatred of Toads could be seen as Nintendo making fun of and acknowledging the complaints the fans have made of all the characters just being Toads in the last three Paper Mario games.
In short, Nintendo knows that older fans don't like that sort of thing, and is basically giving them the finger.
No, King Olly's hatred isn't a middle finger to the old fans, it's just considered taboo to draw on origami. By taboo, as in, bad.
Although since it is more implicit stuff and less explicit, I don't blame you for not knowing.
I am pretty sure IS did that on purpose
@@ericwijaya2119 Wrong conversation. They were pointing out the Doylist correlation, not why Olly's motive is bad.
I doubt it's a middle finger since I'm sure the paper mario devs would WANT to make more unique characters
Your friendly reminder that a sentient pair of scissors was unironically one of the deadliest antagonists in this entire series.
Yup.
Not to mention having one of the best boss themes in the series.
Scissors: "Omae wa mo shindeiru."
Mario: "Somebody call an-a ambulance!" *jumps over Scissors* "But not-a for me!"
And surprisingly honorable, too
Name another deadly boss
Paper Mario is the definition of "Please-a Nintendo! Don't turn me into a marketable (Insert arts and crafts tool here)!" And they just keep going through the list of tools
Reminder that pins of Mario and Origami Peach were pre-order bonuses.
It’s actually Intelligent Systems.
@@JoshioE110 IS made Paper Mario since the very begining, the guilty one is Shigeru Miyamoto who wants to make PM characters to be less original and stay to the original characters
@@AzumarillConGafasBv Not just him actually.
If I may say something about the rant regarding king Olly, the reason of his anger about the scribble on his chest is the fact that writing on origami is sometimes considered to be taboo, thus making Olly think the Toad who crafted him only did so to make a living mockery of the art form.
It'd make sense to come to that conclusion, considering the guy apparently had all of those 'forbidden origami tools' around his workshop. Like, it's taboo to use things like staplers and tape on your origami, too. Maybe he just had them for other things? Still.
While understandable it's still a poor sounding reason
@@rockowlgamer631 Sounds like as good a reason as any, to be honest. His creator gave him life and the ability to comprehend the world essentially for the heck of it and drew on him without him being able to know what it was he wrote (or perhaps Olly was so disgusted by it that he could never bring himself to check, like it was an ugly scar or something). Imagine if you got to meet god seconds after you were born, and he gave you the impression that he made you for no particular purpose at all. And then wrote his signature on your forehead or something.
@@helfire14 Here's the issue: When the fans have to dig deep into something that wasn't at all in the game, it shows just how poorly written the game was. This taboo idea was never explored in the game, and it's more a justification/rationalization than any actual good writing
@@zant1566 Well, like I mentioned in my second comment, it'd be kind of an awful thing to happen to you regardless of whether it was taboo or not. It just sounds kind of silly on paper (pun unintended) until you really think about what it would be like to be in his position.
It doesn't immediately come to mind, granted - we're not made of paper like 90% of the characters in the game are - but I can always appreciate writing that lets me use my imagination to fill in certain details, gives me something that doesn't occur to me the first couple of times I think about it, then suddenly hits me one day. Keeps me thinking about a game for longer. That's just my view on it, though.
It's funny how they animate all this crystal clear water for the cutscene only to replace it with a paper river once it ends.
Probably because that would tank the framerate constantly
Well, I suppose that makes sense if the framerate problem's as bad as he says. I don't quite recall such issues in my experience, but I'll take his word for it.
Still kind of a shame you don't get to see it for long, though.
@@gemraldkid6304 it only really chugged for me during those realistic water cutscenes, so if it was there forever, it would probably screw the framerate pretty bad
This dude never made a single joke about the best legion of stationary, hole puncher
Good, why should they be joked about?
@@chrange9714 Because the hole thing would be a punch line
@@14akamaru lol
@GalacticHypernova He fell! *H E L P !*
tape was better
fight me
Now that Awful's Opinion has his own voice you can tell whos talking when way easier
Helps if you're colorblind.
"Now that Blessed or Messed is officially out of aesthetical beta.."
Your DAMN right about that!! Definitely the best BoM episode I've seen from you Logan!! Keep your rank as my favorite TH-camr with all this improvement!! Missed you buddy....
"Mussed"
Me: *Triggered*
Finally fixed it, but lost the heart. :(
Origami King is the perfect example of so close and yet so far. They got almost everything right, and honestly, if they don't wanna bring EXP back, I thought of a nice alternative they could try to give players a progression system while, ahem, 'not returning the series to its RPG routes'. Like, maybe there could be special blue/red coins that could only be obtained from fighting random enemies. These coins could be used in gyms scattered across the world where you pay the owner to let Mario work out on one of three or four machines, each one used to upgrade a certain stat. Like, you can increase his HP by 5, or increase FP (If they ever decide to bring that back) by 5, an maybe there could be one where you can increase his strength by one point of damage for a much higher cost, and another for increasing defense, and for each time you increase a certain stat, the cost for the next increase goes up.
Yeah I’ve seen a few games that have mechanics like that and that would be a good alternative, on another note no matter what Nintendo says if you keep the turn based combat in the game it is an RPG that is literally one of the base features of an RPG.
@@digishade7583 Turned based combat is not inherent to an RPG nor is an RPG inherent to turned based combat. Not even all JRPGs have turn based combat.
Yeah, this game is proof this new style of Paper Mario has been made as good as it can get.
Bobby's moment solidifies this game as great for me. No matter how shitty anything else in it was, that moment STUCK.
He really did make an impact.
IMPACT! HAH! GET IT? CUZ HES A BO
im genuinely sorry.
@@Croissantcreep It wasn't even my pun, it was his.
TOK makes you care about just a random bob-omb, HOW?
I really liked that the writers seemed to acknowledge he just looked like a generic enemy and actually wrote that into the lore of the character. He IS just another bob-omb, and that’s why his backstory is tragic. He and all of his friends just wanted to do their best to make a positive change before their lives ended
"The life of a Bob-omb is pretty short, all things considered.
That's why we try to make the most of the time we have."
I don't think I've ever legitimately thought "fuck you" about someone's opinion.
I today, I continue that streak! thank you for putting words to how great PM:TOK Is!
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie
Olivia really stole my heart when I first started playing this game. And, you know what? She can have it. She's so sweet, energetic, optimistic, and innocent, and every word out of her nonvisible mouth made me smile. Deadass, most if not all of the photos and videos I took in The Origami King were of her. And her musical number in the desert was one of the biggest highlights of my playthrough! She's the Best Girl we didn't deserve, but needed.
More like childish and annoying than anything else. She's as bad as Kersti.
@@MrSentinel07 I disagree, but that's me.
@@MrSentinel07
I'm not usually one to get that bent out of shape over someone disagreeing with my opinions, but in this case?
Get creased, you valley-folded sheet of papyrus.
@@azazeltheundyingdamienkali5700 Uno reverse.
@@NicoTheCinderace
I don't get it. Is that UNO Reverse on me or him?
Man, looking over these comments, it's clear that this is still such a divisive game, which is a testament to how much the previous two games threw everything off.
While I might have some preference to the first three, I still had a lot of fun with Origami King, and really appreciate the efforts it made to break the mold it's stuck in.
Great work on the rebrand, btw. The dual personified perspectives play off each other wonderfully!
Don’t mind me, just putting in that sweet out of context.
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Winion pog
*ANXIETY*
Can I just say that Olivia is basically the best girl in the entire Paper Mario franchise? I even view her more as a sidekick than even the original partners like Goombella or Tippi.
(Yeah, i said it, fight me)
Agreed.
Yeah she definitely is my favorite paper Mario partner I just love her personality so much
Yes
Other than Vivian, I agree
2:03 Out of Context Fawful's Minion is gonna have a field day with this episode, I can already tell.
More like 2:30
@@DaSheepKiller nah 8:05
THAT CENSOR BEEP CAUCHT ME SO OFF GUARD LMFAOOO
5:57 now that’s a classy word choice if you’re aware of certain Paper Mario hacks.
The good news is, this movie is really great.
Interpret that how you will.
The disappointing thing about the game for me personally is that the worlds and puzzles are actually phenomenal, the only problems I have are with the battle system :(
It was good because of the emphasis on strategy rather than button prompts and reaction time. I can see why people like the others better though. Also, I know you hate it but Hole Punch was a very fun boss.
Well, this should be interesting. Will this be a artful achievement, or a folded flop?
Niiiiiice
@@googamp32 Looks like the opposite was true this time!
@@googamp32 Well, to each their own
@@googamp32 You need to stop harassing people over their opinion of this game.
It's fine if you don't like it, but harassing others over it is extremely toxic. I wouldn't be surprised if Logan blocked you from his comments section.
@@googamp32
Ugh, it was bad enough with you on Twitter.
If you’re just here to tell people they shouldn’t like the game because you don’t, kindly leave.
Seriously, *no one* in this comments section wants to listen to someone who’s gonna act so condescending towards different opinions.
Get off your high horse, just accept that people like the game, and maybe you wouldn’t be as ridiculed as you are with your legacy as the Total Drama profile pic who represents everything wrong with sections of the Paper Mario fanbase. Please grow up.
I can see why he said that he was buzzy with sprite work
Doing a voice for each of the stationery out loud is really funny if you get really into it.
I didn't hate the ring puzzle aspect until it came to the final boss under a tight time limit. That killed it for me.
I successfully got it in my first attempt, and I sincerely can't relate to the hate on the ring puzzles, yes, sometimes it can be a bit frustrating (and the Shy Guy show was a pain in the a**) but overall I believe it's a creative gameplay mechanic and I wouldn't mind seeing it again if that means getting rid of Sticker Star's awful idea of making every attack and the key items expendable
There's something many people don't get about Olly's motivation. To quote Juno Songs as Olly: "I care not for the words he wrote, I'm mad that he did so at all!" Writing on your Origami is considered Taboo (except for fortune tellers I guess), and Olly felt insulted. THAT'S why he did all of this, not because he couldn't read, but because he wanted Toads to pay for mistreating him and Origami in general. Because he CARED.
He’s still racist
Positives
Story: Not as good as TTYD or SPM, but still good.
Music: PHENOMENAL
Level design: Best in the series.
Battle system: I know people will disagree, but it's fun and unique.
Bosses: Really good
Characters: Memorable (Bobby is best bob-omb. Fight me)
Negatives
Only the bosses are original enemies
Only two new characters with original designs
Overall, I say this game is blessed.
I loved the feeling of killing these bosses. not only was I saving the kingdom, it felt like I was killing Sticker Star's thing gimmick.
This game is SO blessed.
Indeed
That might be so, but it is still a mess in several areas still.
@@nickk3077 No, hardly at all. Just that stupid character rule and that's an overall problem, not a OK problem.
@@chrange9714 Design was the only thing this game did right. Everything else was pretty garbage, especially the gameplay.
@@lordninetails514 That statement is FAR from true. Literally everything was done right. There was only like two things that wasn't.
For anyone reading this; you should play bug fables for a game in the style of the first two PMs with a bit of mario and luigi mixed in. It’s amazing, and really scratched my itch for one of those games. (I still love origami king though, just for different reasons)
To be honest, I feel Like Origami King definitely fits in the category of the third game of a series always being the best.
Paper Mario 64 and Sticker Star are the first games of their series and the ones that have the most simplistic gameplay elements. most of it is played safe and usually doesn't go to far ahead.
TTYD and Color Splash both improve what their previous games did and make what made their first games good (in a sense) better.
Then we have Super Paper Mario and Origami King. Both flip their gameplays by altering everything. These games have the best story out of any game, their gameplay is completely different than their previous games, and are usually the ones that are slightly in the darker territory.
Although I have never really beaten color splash, I've beaten the other 5 and I'd still put Origami King higher than TTYD. Which would put my stance as a bit biased, but there are things that TTYD has that honestly I don't care about and I feel like Origami King did those far better than TTYD. The Paper Mario Franchise is a fairly difficult subject to talk about as you are going to get people on both sides.
It's the same with Luigi's Mansion. You have fans who praise the first game, a good bit of them will "beat down" those who like the other 2 games. And then you have Dark Moon fans (like an unmentionable youtuber who did an abridged series on it) who is more likely to criticize or even mock those who like the first game. The third game is unique in that it has its own fans but a good bit of the ones who like it, don't really attack those who prefer Dark Moon or the Original. Heck, Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion are almost the same in their own right. Both fanbases have those who are toxic to those who disagree with the opposing opinion. I am a devout Dark Moon Fan and I even made it my opinion as I played through all 3 games so I can see what the people see in the OG game and then best thing the OG game had was honestly Boolossous, which is sad.
Going back to King Olly as a villain, excluding his reasoning behind why he did what he did, I feel like he was honestly a perfect representation of someone who was pissed at the last 2 Paper Mario Games, with Olivia being the perfect representation of someone who wants to love and enjoy all Paper Mario Games and wants both sides to live in harmony. This is honestly why I feel like the next Paper Mario Games needs to do something major and combine elements from multiple previous games to make it better.
Take 64 and Sticker Star. Imagine a classic style of gameplay, but Stickers can be used to temporarily buff up attacks or even change the way they work. For example, a Jump Sticker would allow Mario to jump on an enemy 3 times. or a Flame Hammer Sticker would allow Mario to give his Hammer Attacks a Fire-element property. The 7th Paper Mario Game, or at least the next 3 games needs to take the stuff the original trilogy did right, and what the modern trilogy did right and combine it together.
I'd personally be glad for another Mario and Luigi game, but I know its a dead franchise, so if Paper Mario has to improve, it has to improve on both sides. The OG's need to find ways to talk it out with the Modern's and create an idea of a perfect Paper Mario Game. We have voices right? So why not instead of bitching about not getting out Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door version 420, update 69, featuring Luigi Mode, and talk about doing something that works with both the new and the old. Classic gameplay and modern elements can work. It's just that the fanbase needs to be willing to work together with those who disagree with them.
Still, my order of Paper Mario games is honestly due to how much fun I had with them, and honestly, Origami King is number 1, with Super and 64 at second and third respectfully. TTYD is 4th with sticker star at 5th, and color splash at 6th place. Still this is before I replay Super and Sticker Star, and then beat Color Splash finally, before my stance changes, so that is my stance on the games.
Hello fellow dark moon fan
Actually, my opinion on the series is pretty similar to yours
1) Origami king
2) Super
3) color splash/64
4) ttyd
5)sticker star
Origami king is a blast to play,the battle system is original and entertaining,and the music and characters are top notch. Super has the best story out of the 6 games,and the best out of all the Mario sidescrollers. Color Splash is also pretty fun and 64 is perfect for only being the 1st instalment. TTYD is also great,but some of the ideas are litterally copy-pasted from 64(peach is captured in space,most of the partners have the same attacks of 64's partners and other things)and that damn backtracking in chapter 4 and to find General White it's just too much. Sticker Star still is the weakest in the series because is on 3ds,that's it.
@@Shadex_Joestar oh my god someone who has color splash above ttyd :0
@@Kuu-n-koi2317 everybody run around like Toad and freak out! Oh wait, TTYD fans hate toad. So.....😂
@@Kuu-n-koi2317 color splash has better overworld gameplay and it's more immersive than ttyd. No one level feels like another and I honestly like toads. The fanbase just doesn't accept that even normal people can have interesting lives. Yeah they're using the Koopalings too much but if Jr can have a paper counterpart,why not have counterparts even for his step-siblings? And if you think about it,the Black paint was the real villain of the game. It's like the Venom of thr Mario series
0:48 Geez, what will Paper Mario 7, 8, and 9 be like? 7 being a safe and soulless reboot? 8 is the prettiest in the franchise but is poorly written and destroys the legacy characters and cannon? and 9 is a mess that has no idea what it wants to be and can't catch a break? I'll just wait for the spin off where they take care of a baby Yoshi... oh wait that was in TTYD.
Nice Star Wars reference there
Cue that scene from Megamind:
“He did it...”
Megamind is far better than Despicable Me
I LITERALLY WATCHED A FULL PLAYTHROUGH TO GET RID OF SPOILERS AND BECAUSE THE GAME LOOKS SO AWESOME! I PREDICT A BLESSED!
Now this is a cool twist on the blessed or messed series. I like it.
God. Doesn't Positivity feel good?
GIVE THIS MAN A MOUNTAIN TO PREACH ATOP
Considering that the Paper Mario community (and the Nintendo community in general in all honesty) is a cesspit of hatred, pessimism, toxicity, and negativity, I’d have to say that for a lot of those people sadly no.
@@Rediscool9 Let's keep this positive friend.😄
@@justagundam I wish I could. Trust me, I’m like one of the 5 people in the Nintendo community that is actually positive. But, the Nintendo community man.........
@@Rediscool9 let's be real, every Nintendo community (Kirby kinda excluded) is trash.
It's either calling names, harassing each other over their own opinions, or bullying the devs.
If I had a dead body for every toxic guy in every Nintendo community, 70% of Earth would be blood instead of red right now
I feel like this game makes more poor design decisions then even Color Splash. For example, whenever I explore, I never get anything of value, only collectables, coins, Toads that don’t do anything, and weapons that are arbitrarily added for challenge. I remember exploring Color Splash and being rewarded with unique and new cards that help in battle or optional things! It was rewarding... kinda. There were also toads to colorize and rescue in Color Splash that actually did stuff. Rescuing the rescue the rescue squad to progress. TTYD and N64 had the partner upgrades, items, star pieces, badges, and more. Those games still have much more rewarding exploration.
Along with that, unlike literally every other Paper Mario game, this game never leaves you wondering what is left to explore. When the player first starts Sticker Star and sees the world map, so much is blocked off and it gets your imagination wild. Color Splash amplified this idea! The first three games didn’t have maps, but still blocked off several areas that made you very curious. This game doesn’t really do that and feels extremely linear because of that. There’s no hub and that is lame.
The battles always suck. They always involve the same puzzles that get extremely repetitive. The whole appeal of the first 2 games’ combat was how it was open towards experimentation and customization! The only time Origami King has this are during the bosses, which most of them I actually enjoyed. However, the bosses can just end up being trial and error in some cases; where Mario ends up failing, then healing, then failing, then healing, the figuring out the puzzle, then repeat strategy. Back to regular battles, in Color Splash and even Sticker Star the battles were very customizable, with a huge variety of stickers and cards. The battles are basic.
The puzzles in this game are pretty lame. Earlier games challenged you by giving you several tools and asking you to figure out which one is the right one to use. Color Splash and Sticker Star even did this with the things and although not all of the puzzle were done well, at least many offered a challenge. In Origami King, Mario barely has any tools and it sucks because they have mechanics like the 1,000 fold arms and confetti that are never use cleverly.
The story sucks... Olly is evil because... and apparently he feels remorse out of nowhere and is supposed to be redeemed even though he basically wanted to commit mass genocide on par with what Hitler would do. And the whole plot is started by a generic Toad without personality. Greeeeeat. Olivia duing at the end also feels like another generic tactic to try to get me to care, but it’s hard to care when this is the FITH TIME IN A ROW they try to pull this “a character now has to die because it’s the end of the game” sort of thing in a Paper Mario game. Say what you will about Bowser being the main villain in SS and CS, but at least the plot wasn’t promising something it couldn’t deliver on.
OK is not only stealing the mechanic of rescuing toads and doing is worse, but is also stealing the paint mechanic and doing it worse. They do NOTHING with the confetti mechanic at all. They could have made it a valuable rare resource, one that you can get from only battle. They could have turned it into an FP system, where special attacks cost confetti. It’s just lame.
Speaking of copying mechanics from Color Splash, Origami King is the only Paper Mario game to borrow so heavily from the previous game’s art style, making the game feel more similar to Color Splash than giving it a unique identity. For a game that is supposed to be a “return to form”, it really doesn’t look like it.
This game also borrows a similar style of humor from as Color Splash. Remember those cute dace scenes in OK, they were also in CS. How about the Mario Kart reference with Luigi? That was also in CS. Shy Guy Finish Last??? Ok, they aren’t even trying anymore! That’s Snifit or Whifit from SS and CS! Can this game be anymore similar to CS and SS?!
The generic character design also is borrowed from Color Splash. Why would they take one of the worse elements from CS and not fix it!? It’s so easy! I even see several dedicated fans in the internet come up with unique and interesting characters!
Speaking of the characters, the partners are the only characters in the game and most of them are nothing special. Bobby lacks a unique design and purpose until the end. Professor Toad doesn’t have much personality and doesn’t have a name and he’s pretty forgettable in comparison to TTYD and PM64 characters. Kamek is very unoriginal and same goes for Bowser Jr. and having Bowser in your party is nothing special ‘cause we have seen this in Super and it feels really awkward spend time with Bowser and he never really references past events he had with Mario. Feels like the writers really want to retcon stuff from prior games ‘cause we also see how bomb-oms don’t even follow the same rules from the original game.
In the end OK is just CS with better art, slightly new mechanics (new, not better), and that’s about it. Very disappointing.
@@googamp32 You represent everything that's wrong with the Paper Mario Fandom.
I can still continue and talk about how uninspired some of the locations are, or the XP system, or the over reliance on internet humor, etc.
I couldn’t disagree more.
Alright, I disagree with most of your points so I'm gonna go through the ones I disagree the most with.
The exploration, I think, is one of the best parts about Origami King. You talk about how there isn't much reward to exploring but that's personal preference. Finding collectibles and toads is fun for a lot of people. The Completionist, as an example, 100%ed the game TWICE and had a lot of fun during both playthroughs.
For your second point, you mention that there is no hub. This is false, there is a building in toad town where there are a total of 6 pipes. You unlock these pipes as you go through the game, clearing them and allowing you to go through them. The game also has many moments where it leaves you wanting to explore. It shows you the volcano at the start of the game. At the beginning of the third "chapter," it shows the purple streamer over the ocean, which you continue following in the fourth "chapter." Bowser's Castle is a large area that is placed smackdab in the middle of the green streamer area that the player is constantly reminded about, which builds tension and makes you want to enter and explore it.
I think the regular battle system is the worst part of the game but it's still not that bad. For puzzle solvers, solving many of these puzzles can be quite fun, and so your statement on how it's boring is subjective. Besides, even if the battle system was unplayable, it is heavily made up for by the variety of the puzzles and minigames scattered about the game. Gameplay is more than just battles. You also mention that a lot of the boss fights boil down to trial and error. I disagree. There are multiple hints that you can collect during battle that help you understand how to defeat the boss. There is no trial and error, there is always a clear goal in sight, it's just about how you get to that goal, which is the fun part. If you don't want to use the hints, then you're just making things harder for yourself aren't you?
"The puzzles are lame." The puzzles are not lame. Your only argument for why the puzzles are lame is because Mario doesn't have any "tools." You don't need tools for good puzzles. Puzzles are... simply just that... puzzles. As long as they're fun, rack your brain, and are creative, they don't need tools. I'm not sure why that's such a large weakness for you.
Who said Olly was supposed to be redeemed by the end? Did any of the characters be like "oh no, don't worry, we forgive you." The only one that showed any actual kind of emotion was Olivia, and that's because they're related. I agree that the Origami Craftsman is an underwhelming character but I don't see it as "the story was started from a boring, generic character," instead I see it as "this character is simply part of the main antagonist's backstory, and so they are simply a means to a start." I get that the "fifth time in a row" part is exaggerated, but it's still very untrue. Olivia is the only character to legitimately die after sacrificing themselves at the end. Kersti did something similar however she was revived immediately after, so there were no lasting consequences.
I actually agree with the confetti part. There was one part of the game where confetti was treated as a limited resource, and I wish there were more moments like that, but yeah. Although filling in holes with confetti is pretty satisfying for some people (actually, most people considering how many people still fill in holes near the end game despite there being no reward other than coins) so at least it's not all bad. However, I do disagree with your point of Origami King doing the "rescuing toads" thing poorly. The toads are cleverly hidden with unique different forms after they fold. They also have very humorous dialogue and in general are very fun to look for and collect.
I disagree with the argument that Origami King looks too much like Colour Splash, for multiple reasons. Although I'll just name one because I don't want to make an essay about this one point. Colour Splash's background is drawn, to make the game feel more like it's inside of a box than an open world. Origami King doesn't have these kinds of backgrounds, which makes it have a different feel and aesthetic than Colour Splash.
Ok this point has to be a joke. The Mario Kart and Shy Guys Finish Last moments are not "humour." The Mario Kart thing is just a reference to Mario Kart, and the Shy Guys Finish Last is just a minigame. If you want to talk about humour, there are multiple other aspects that you have deliberately ignored just to support your claim. Bobby's slapstick during Autumn Mountain? The back and forth between Kamek and Bowser Jr? Bowser's entire presence? You didn't think any of that was original or at the very least entertaining?
The "unoriginal character designs" thing is a meme at this point. There are a multitude of interesting looking characters in Origami King that people just forget exist. To name a few, there are the can food party crew, captain t. ode, the cosplayers at shogun studios, etc.
Alright, time to deal with your arguments on the partners of the game. Yes, Bobby lacks an interesting design, that's the entire point, did you not see his backstory? And the fact that he only has an important role at the end is the entire point, I'm not sure you're even following the story. Professor Toad I agree with. Even among us Origami King fans, we think that Professor Toad is very underwhelming. I don't think a single Origami King fan will tell you that he's a good character (although I will take this opportunity to say that TTYD partners weren't that interesting, many of them had bland personalities and then we also had Flurrie). Are you really going to say that Kamek and Bowser Jr are unoriginal? Really? When they possess some of the best dialogue in the game, you're really going to call them unoriginal? I tell you this, Kamek and Bowser Jr are a more entertaining dynamic than anything you can find in TTYD. Having Bowser in your party isn't meant to be special due to it being new, it's meant to be special because it represents the endgame. Bowser has some of the best dialogue in the game, and that alone makes him worthy of being a good partner. Also, is your biggest problem really the fact that Bowser doesn't reference past Paper Mario games? Why would Bowser reference those events? Anyway, you came to the conclusion that they just want to ignore the previous games right? Well there's an entire room in "chapter" 3 that disproves this. In this room, multiple portraits of Peach from previous Paper Mario games are hung up, and Bobby makes a reference to Bobbery. ALSO, I've talked about this a lot before so I'll keep this super quick now. Your point about bob-ombs not working like they do in the original game. This isn't actually Origami King's fault. If you look back at TTYD, you can actually fight bob-ombs in battle, and what do you think happens once they explode? That's right, they DIE. It's not that Origami King changed the rules, it's that TTYD was inconsistent with the rules to begin with. TTYD is the one at fault here.
@@staticchimera44 I think exploring the world is very unfulfilling because when compared to all of the previous games, none of the rewards here matter. None of them help you in battle and feel like a waste of my time.
I'd hardly consider Toad Town a hub here. You don't even return to it once you have finished a chapter. Unlike in the first 3 Paper Mario games, it doesn't really block off progress so that when you return it feels like you there is much to explore. I remember when I played TTYD for the first time wondering what could be behind the west side of Rogueport or what was south of Toad Town in PM64. Origami King blocks off the sea in its hub and that's about it. It was honestly kind of awkward when I had to return to Toad Town because it felt very inconsistent with how the rest of the game was designed.
Ok, I will admit that I didn't go in depth with every point that I made... but this is a TH-cam comment after all. I had no clue if anyone would actually read all of my points. I digress. When I was refering to the puzzles, I was talking about the puzzles in the overworld. There really wasn't a single puzzle that I recalled in the overworld that felt very satisfying to figure out. In previous games in the series, the overworld puzzles overwhelmed the player with options and the challenge came from figuring out which tool was the right one to use and when. Origami King doesn't have that. I remember encountering this one puzzle late in the game, after chapter 4, where I had 4 very basic elemental skills and there was this giant pad telling me to use them. in front of an open flame and it was very obvious that I had to use the water velemental to remove it. There was very little thought involved with that puzzle. During the whole process of solving that puzzle I thought to myself, "wait, isn't this the same puzzle from Color Splash where I was required to use a fire extinguisher to take out the fire in the FIRST boss?"
Olly was a very bad villain and I just thought his whole story was huge missed opportunity.
The reason unoriginal character designs in Paper Mario is a meme is because of how is an actual issue in this game. I remember playing TTYD for my first time and being super interested in seeing new spices and characters. I don't really get that same satisfaction out of this game. Yeah, we get new origami characters and origami bosses which are admittedly really cool, but the NPC character designs are where the game fails. And what were they thinking with the stationary?! Having scissors and tape as a boss is really lame! Why couldn't the stationary be operated by an intimidating boss character, or perhaps they could be possessed by ghosts with different designs. Heck, why not make them Origami ghosts? If the game wants me to take the story, the world, and Bobby's sacrifice seriously, why does it have these office supplies as characters?
I feel like the lack of giving Bobby an interesting design doesn't really make sense when you put into context that previous Paper Mario games gave typical bomb-oms new designs. It's actually hard to believe that was one of the main draws of Paper Mario initially was the fact that it breathed new life into these typical enemies from the Mario series. The first thing you saw from PM64 was a village of goombas, each with their own name, design, and personality to make them feel alive! TOK struggles to create more than 2 distinct designs for goombas. There's the vanilla basic goomba, the bone goomba, and that Shogun Studios goomba. None have their own name, distinct personality, and 2 were models copied from Color Splash. Yeah, this game's character designs are a serious downgrade from games over 15 years prior and it is not even worth defending.
I will admit that the partners could sometimes end up being one-note and/or bland in the older games, but the reason people want partners back is so they can expand upon them and give them even more personality. Anyways, personality isn't the entire reason people want to bring back partners, but it's also because they added more depth to the combat, they were great tools for the over world, and they had extremely memorable designs! The partners in OK all lack unique designs, use in the overworld, and any tactical depth in the combat. See, that's where my problems with these "partners" lay. Professor Toad is the ONLY partner that does anything on the overworld and it's not used extremely cleverly, if there's a glowing spot, just use him. He is easily replaceable by a shovel. As a long time Paper Mario fan, is is just really disappointing to see how little they have progressed from TTYD.
I still think that Sticker Star is the only bad Paper Mario game.
Color splash is bad game good writing
Good to see you...two!...back in action. Long live Blessed or Messed!
Yo, this episode of Blessed or Messed was by far my favorite!!! You did an awesome job Fawful (I love how Awful's Opinion sounded)!!!!
Opinions surround though my main gripe with modern PAPER Mario is that they keep bringing turn based combat and then try to call the game an action adventure game which makes no sense when turn based combat is one of the staples of RPGs (also on a side note that I don’t know if anyone else noticed but the way the rings work makes the phrase “turn based combat” into a pun) also the original name for paper Mario was Mario story in Japan meaning the only thing that made it paper like was the fact that all the sprites were flat, Nintendo just took the western name for the games and ran with it to a ludicrous degree
5:52 ok that line is just
*chef's kiss*
Ngl the collectibles I liked far more than anything ttyd or 64 had to offer
Models or characters and locations, the sound test, *concept art*
Tbf Olly's motivations do make sense. Writing on origami *no matter what* is considered taboo. Even if it's kind words, it's no different than tattooing a baby. The craftsman flat out disgraced the artform without realizing
It also kinda makes sense when you remember that the craftsman lives alone on an island. He probably doesn't have close ties with the public's view on origami so he might've thought that writing on origami was perfectly fine.
It’d be amazing if the current Paper Mario team were to have their restrictions regarding characters lifted.
Also what do you think would’ve happened if they kept the original title of Mario Story when localizing the first Paper Mario?
I don't think the title mattered, the way I see it is that IS thought about the paper aesthetic and wanted to make it focused around paper because the idea is cool.
@@staticchimera44at least they made it better this time
@@blitz4779 mhm totally
Love the new assets. Feels like this show has finally fully come onto it's own.
8:08 So that would make Olivia the Origami Princess
There is a moment in the game where she loosely refers to herself as a princess. When shes doing the whole elevator operator stitch at overlook tower and the elevator crashes. She describes the first floor as a place where you can find broken dreams and crushed princesses... tho not in those exact words
The perfect thing to see after smashing through finals. You have no idea how much I needed this. Keep it up! ^^
Ohai choccy. c:
Hope ya passed!
Other than the fact that I like Color Splash more than the average joe, I completely agree everything said here. It's a good step in the right direction, but still a couple steps away.
Same tho think its me playing CS was a fun experience since it was at a time there was no review thanks to their error so had a fun time with my own opinion without clouded judgment (plus i had 0 interest until I saw a trailer that had a yoshi attacking mario)
So it was an enjoyable time but OK is a very nice step loved it alot
Glad to see the series you love is coming back to its former glory. Not completely back, but it took notes and tried to capture what the original three had in terms of depth.
*grabs Popcorn*
This is gonna be good
Edit: Wasn't just good, it was amazing
Here we go bois!
LETS EFFING GOOOOOO
I’ve been waiting for this for quite a while! Origami King may not be perfect, but is still so fun, charming, and even thoughtful in how it presented this world and characters. And holy shit are those Legion of Stationary battles epic!
LOVE what you did with Awful's voice. Keep up the amazing content!
This is a really great video. I really like how Awful’s Opinion has a unique voice now it makes him feel like his own character and makes it easier to identify who’s talking. I haven’t played origami king but honestly your video might convince me to buy it. Also I want to recommend Bug Fables:The Everlasting Sapling, it’s a spiritual successor to original paper Mario but in my opinion it’s better than thousand year door and it’s one of my favorite games ever and I definitely know that you would like it a lot even if you don’t like it as much as thousand year door. Also the game is about bugs and any game about bugs is always a good game.
Another good video. Just one advice : Think of adding a spoiler alert for those who haven't played/finished the game. Your videos might also give people the will to try it so that's another reason to add it.
Keep up the good work, Logan. We love it.
Funny story I was wondering about speedster and while I was revisiting my childhood I looked at his subscriptions and found out HOLY SHIT FAWFULS MINION it’s been so long since I got into him I watched the 2 videos about him leaving and coming back and the moment I saw top 18 Pokémon type and he was very similar in the consistency of his comedy after going back into it made me sub and turn noti’s on it made me feel like a kid again
I shit you not 5 minutes later he uploads a video and I have a hearty laugh
Good to be back fawfuls hope you can continue to impress with your excellence
It's just so wonderful to see Logan happy about a paper Mario game again. I agree with you that Olivia is so adorable
I still find it gruesome that since Paper is basically flesh in Paper Mario, Ollie fucking FOLDS FLESH AND BLOOD into mindless zombie slaves!
This is one of those games where I'm seriously gonna need a guide to play especially for the puzzles.
After reading the comments, I kind of like how even regarding some of the awful opinions to be debatable is a good thing. Every player's experience of the game is different, and that includes how much lore can be oversighted. It wasn't in this video, but the fact that there are cafes for even Bowser's minions is just so goddamn nice for Paper Mario lore it's sickening. While the RPG has folded into an amalgamation of an identity crisis, the writers really had it in the bag!
Ngl origami's ending honestly felt so emotional that i cried one time( what? Ya think it's wierd? well then go somewhere else boi I actually missed that stupid chatty gal, and don't get me started on bobby, I'd cry otherwise)
It’s very funny he compared this series to Star Wars, because that’s exactly what it’s like. First is really good, Second is even better, Third is not as good as the last two, but still a fun time, Fourth is a bloody stain on the entire franchise, Fifth is better than the last but still not good, and Sixth is a return to form that is right up there with the original trilogy, but everyone disregards it because 4 and 5 left a bad taste in everyone’s mouths.
The fuck you mean? All 2 trilogies are great, the second is better at worldbuilding than the first and the first is better at storytelling than the second.
The third trilogy... we dont talk about that shit bro, no no no
@@michelecastellotti9172 He meant that for a while, and possibly even now, the prequels where considered bad by star wars fans and the victim of fandom bullying. Things may have changed because of the sequel trilogy which retroactively improved people's opinion on the prequels. The thread starter is simply bringing up how people disregard Origami King because of the previous 2 games and still bitch to this day.
@@thomasalvarenga2839 oh no no, i get it, but i am one of those who loved the prequels and OT equally, ALWAYS, since i first saw the prequels, so this concept to me is nonsensical.
Origami king is good, i see what people loved about the Og, but origami king is still incredibly good
Banger ost as always though gotta give it that
you, Sir Minion, have the prestigious honor to be the video i watch while eating.
And people said I was crazy saying this game brought back the magic of the series :)
For anyone else here (that's not from the server), I consider this to be tied for the best in the series, right up there with TTYD
Good to have you back after the adsense NONSENSE my guy! Eager to see how the quality improves from here
@@googamp32 (sigh) Dude........ get off your high horse.
@@googamp32 Yeah, dude. Get off your high horse and please stop harassing people over their own opinions.
If they like this game, so what? Why does that give you the right to harass other people over it?
Why are you making strawman arguments to support your points? Moreover, why don't you just *stop?*
@@googamp32
Blasphemy?
Dude, pick up a football for once in your life.
You know you have a good saying motto when Im compelled to repeat it.
I can't wait for you to cover the SMRPG and TTYD remakes.
2-3 years later, the heart that Origami king found, is beating harder, with Thousand Year door Remaster for 2024 release.
Man this video is just amazing. Keep it up!!!
I get that the game is fine but without the Mario and Luigi series, we need an actual RPG game to have people enjoy.
*sets up my reserved seat in the comments section* well, this is gonna be fun
*grabs the popcorn*
true
Give me that chair.
@@zacharylandrum4789 nah PM:OK isnt even over 50/100 for me way too many issues to call it even a PLAYABLE game
@@NicoTheCinderace shut up and watch the movie
*knocks down door* DID SOMEONE SAY NEW BLESSED OR MESSED
*knocks down other door* DID SOMEONE SAY NEW FAWFUL’S MINION UPLOAD
I was actually more hyped for this than Unmasked’s debut happening. I love these two.
*Puts door back up*
I JUST FIXED IT. >:(
Glad you enjoyed Origami King but alas I can't vibe with that ring system and lack of incentive to get into regular battles which is too bad cause the story sounds friggin awesome I really hope they nail both in the next Paper Mario game...oh yeah and great video as always
Interesting that you had frame drops. That never happened to me
Same here. I’m honestly shocked that was one of the complaints he had.
@@Rediscool9 Bug, perhaps?
@@TheDream64 I have a launch day Switch myself and I never experienced frame drops myself, though I might not have used mine as much as he did.
This game, so close to perfection, but perfection is a limit as high as infinitum.
At the very least it did it's best with the limitations imposed.
Now, if it didn't have such ludicrous inhibitions it would've been a masterpiece.
They best take notes on what didn't work so they can have their own style while pleasing everyone.
"Perfection", as far as paper Mario, was the original trilogy. They will never be able to be replaced, never replicated, and never forgotten.
Who said anything about replacing, replicating or forgetting the old games?
If this game managed to make a battle system that was different, yet very engaging and most of all, very rewarding, it would've been a perfect game in it's own right and it's own way.
Plus, let's not kid ourselves, when the old trilogy failed, it REEKED with the scent of poison mushrooms and mistakes.
@@supermariogamer5294 Right, but battling in an RPG is half of the gameplay. There has to be some sort of reward; a way to make the player stronger for stronger enemies. That's what the first three SPM games did. But then Sticker Star stripped it away, replacing the reward of EXP for useless coins.
I'll give Origami King some credit: at least they made the useless coins more useful. But there's still no sense of fulfillment in the battle systems.
Then again, I don't really have any right to judge, as I've never played the game, nor do I plan to in the future. So I could be totally wrong about all of this. But this is just my opinion.
@@LairoftheManiacs it *could* have worked if more thought was put into the reward aspects, *even* with no EXP.
Coins: Limit them to be plentiful in battles and scarce in the overworld (aside from the minigames), use them to buy better gear, more attacks or fixing your old gear and attacks.
Confetti and battles: enemies can drop "summons", use these to summon different enemies in paper form to do various things Mario can't, they are unlimited uses but cost confetti to be used.
Ring battles: remove the helps and restrict the timer to bosses, make the enemies far more resilient and not allow them to surrender, set moves, 4 actions max, no bonuses.
Unlockables: boss summons for the Legion (2 action slots taken each time, very powerful), unlockable action slots each 2 Vellumental bosses.
God, this game...despite my own personal grievances, Origami King is MORE than worthy of the Paper Mario moniker! Here's hoping they end up using what really worked from this as the framework for the next chapter!
Hey great video.
I gotta say though, Normally I'm totally a fan of the older games like 64 and was disappointed with Sticker Star, but when I see fans of the old series placing so much emphasis on "experience points", I just don't know anymore. The old games had so much other stuff going for them and people's main focus is on EXP systems of all things? I do dare question if "role-playing game" absolutely necessitates having an EXP-based levelling system. As an incentive to battle? I dunno, if you have to add an incentive for battles I'd say it's time to question whether unscripted battles really need to be there in there first place. If anything, the diminishing Star Points in 64 incentivize you to avoid battles until you're in a later area with greater rewards and to not battle at all if you're visiting earlier areas. As for upgrading stats, that can he handled through exploration like they did with the hearts. It is more fun to explore a fun world and look for secrets than to grind to increase some arbitrary number. 64's system keeps you at a decent level for whatever area you're in and never really gets in your way, but that still doesn't explain why it needs to be there in the first place.
"if you have to add an incentive for battles I'd say it's time to question whether unscripted battles really need to be there in there first place."
Honestly, a somewhat inverted version of this statement is why I hate SS/CS **obsession** with forced battles, they knew. Though TOK still has this, yes, it's to a far more normal degree.
So you can feel more powerful the further you go. That's the incentive for all RPGs gameplay wise. That's like saying what's the point of sp points increasing to compensate for cost heavy moves when they could be the same price as any other. It's part of the progression for rpgs. I don't see the issue if it gives players a reason to fight anyhow, which modern paper mario is still struggling with.
I always said that Paper Mario The Origami King would be the best game since Super Paper Mario and was a good step back in the right direction. I only hope that the series continues to get better from here on out.
1:52 hey look it's Team Rocket
1:00 Never knew I needed FawfulPOG before now.
Ok tbh, "Shy Guys Finish Last" was my least favorite thing in the entire game.
You’re evil counterpart sounds like someone right out of the Yugioh Zexal Barian world minion... I like it.
17:26 "Anxiety, may we meet again!"
@@zacharylandrum4789
Fuck, sure I'll upload that to a second channel
@@DementedDuskull pfff
We aren't back to our former glory.........but... we're on the right path. For the first time in a long time... we're FINALLY starting to heal.
I could’ve sworn there was already a blessed or messed about this game
Amazing video Logan. I also love the new voice you gave the red minion.
The echo sounds amazing
I'm enjoying the voices.
5:55 Every Book of Mario, you say? I think I understand the message you're trying to *translate* to me here
Christopher Moon likes Fawful's Minion?!
I actually never knew that.
Fancy seeing you here. :)
1:00 fawful pog.
OH MY GOD IT IS I NEVER SEEN THE FAWFUL POG BEFORE
Fawful pog.
@@zacharylandrum4789 I'd love that.
@@zacharylandrum4789 Whenever that might be.
Well, the thing about King olly is, well, it's been said that writing on origami, regardless of the intent, is a sin against the art of origami, so, yeah, olly does have a genuine reason to hate toads in a way a traditional origami artist would look down on those who use tools similar to the bosses in this game.
Yeah that was really the only thing that was mentioned that felt off, though I could see why someone would miss that
“I came with a scarred vengeance, and left excited to be read the next chapter. I think you should be too, because giving up is stupid. And we can’t just fold over for a few by gone mistakes.”
Yup, you’re my favorite youtuber
Damn I literally beat this game for the first time a week ago. What a neat little coincidence.
In times of need he comes back to us
Lord Fawful
That blessed moment that starts at 8:37, what's the song that plays there? I don't recall hearing it at all in the game.
I have never clicked on an upload so fast.
Edit: Oh i love the new voice for Awful's Opinion. I sometimes had trouble telling which Logan was talking when they werent on screen in the last one and this is a fun way to make it obvious. Great stuff as always Logan.
I enjoyed this game. It is a step in the right direction, but it's still not fully back on track.
Okay, I’m just gonna say it right now. I definitely like a good many things about this game, but I can’t bring myself to buy it in good faith. I don’t hate Origami King, nor do I fault anyone who likes it, but I just can’t see myself playing it. I can see what it’s trying to do and I greatly appreciate it, but it just saddens me from what I’ve seen and the various articles I’ve read that Nintendo seems to refuse to return to how things were a long time ago. Origami King has things that harken back to the original Trilogy, but I honestly feel it’s still stuck in the shadow of Sticker and Color. I’m sorry. I respect Origami King and what it’s done, but it’s not a game that I think I would enjoy from start to end. Call me a TTYD fanboy all you want, but I took a genuine look at Origami King, and I don’t think I can enjoy it all the way.
That's the same as how I feel about it. I don't hate or love it, but I just can't bring myself to buy it and/or play it. After Sticker-star ruined Paper Mario, I find that the later installments after "Super" just...pale in comparison.
Pretty much me, and I don't feel I can buy another PM game until it fully gets out of Sticker Stars shadow.
You know, I honestly might give this game a try. Looks promising and fun with a good story!
Always glad to see another video 😍
Amazing. Just amazing.