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- 🏎️ Dive into the thrilling world of Formula 1 with our latest video, where we unravel the intense drama surrounding Sauber and why they're facing even more embarrassment than Alpine! Get ready for a rollercoaster ride as we delve into the heart of Sauber's struggles, from persistent pit stop errors that have left them reeling race after race to the ambiguous underlying changes within their design team led by James Key. Discover the high stakes involved as Sauber's pit stop mishaps not only cost them precious points but also spark speculation about the future of their drivers. Could Nico Hulkenberg make a triumphant return to the team? Join us as we explore the rumors swirling around potential driver shake-ups, leaving current drivers Valtteri Bottas and Zhou Guanyu on uncertain ground. Don't miss this gripping analysis of Formula 1's hottest topics - watch now to stay ahead of the curve and join the conversation! 🔥🏁
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The CHAOS of Carlos Sainz at Red Bull: th-cam.com/video/xdCsE6YdYF8/w-d-xo.html
Valtteri Bottas' Uber Carshare commercial is hilarious.
I really dont want carlos at redbull. I want to see him lead a team, and with aramco investments aston may be perfect, especially if fernando gets that rumored redbull seat. Because of that we could see tsunoda depart for Aston Martin Honda.
@@rishinarang9966 I don't think Carlos Sainz will accept being a #2 driver for ANY team. He wants to be #1 because I think he believes he's #1 and if he had the car (like Verstappen) he feels he would could prove that too.
@@InterestedAmerican Yes agreed. Thats why the only logical place for him to go is aston martin.
It's sad because Zhou and bottas get along well unlike the French civil war but it's just their team is holding em back
You mean the French Revolution...?
@@johnpatricklim4509 ain't it the same thing tho
I feel like gasly and Ocon get along already(aka not causing ww3) ever since otmar got fired
@@leoarevalo6786 well I heard one thing they agree on is that if alpine doesn't improve both might just leave
Gasly and Ocon aren't enemies anymore, their frustration is towards the team not each other
Sauber is faster than Alpeen, but their pit crew and strategy have caused them to be the keystone cops of F1
Sometimes that can make the difference.
Their pit crew is not to blame. If the engineering is bad, nothing the pit crew can do!
You can just see how Zhou got more and more furious and disappointed by the team through each interviews this season so far, honestly it seems like they both are determined to score more points and become more competitive at the start of the season, but everytime the pit stops are so unpredictable, I just felt terrible for both drivers
And we're only three races in
Kick Sauber should really be a literal statement
Sauber have been kicking themselves all season thus far.
I’m getting a kick out of this $hit!😊🤣🏎️💨
“Sometimes you Kick, Sometimes you get Kicked.” INXS
One of the worst parts of this for them is that early-season is almost always a key time for smaller teams to capitalise on bigger teams not always having everything nailed down.
Hence why Yuki's big haul is a huge deal
@@LawVSsuch a good point and Yuji is taking full advantage of
@@LawVS HAAS starting off relatively well too; hope to see them in the points more often.
With results like these from Sauber, Alpine and even Williams, who failed to put two cars on the track in the last GP. Formula 1 would benefit a lot from a team like Andretti entering the grid, even by having two more places for drivers, it wouldn't solve the problem at the top, but it would be very interesting in the middle of the field.
I mean if their pit crew could not mess up, he might of gotten points already. Unfortunately I think this might be Valtteri's last season in F1.
Might have, not of
@@AdminAbusethanks for saying that, it annoys me to no end
To OP.
*Who* are they going to replace him with? No top drivers would want to sign for Sauber for 2025 and who knows how this Audi F1 thing will pan out? What good test/third driver would be a *good* replacement?
Why replace a proven winner of 10 races, 67 podiums and 20 pole positions when it's clear the hopeless car is the culprit here?
Rubens Barrichello scored *zero points* in the 2007 F1 season. In 2008 he scored 11 points. It seemed as if Barrichello's career was over and he'd have no drive for 2009... Until he got signed by Brawn GP for 2009, won 2 races, 1 pole and finished the 2009 championship in 3rd. Clearly still capable of winning races in a good car.
Barrichello hadn't won a race since 2004 when he won races in 2009. Does that mean he somehow was a worse driver in 2005-2006-2007-2008? No the Ferrari F2005 an the Hondas were bad cars.
Bottas finished the 2022 season in 10th in his Alfa debut year. Ahead of Sebastian Vettel in the Aston Martin and Daniel Ricciardo in the McLaren. People have short memories and can only perceive the present.
He should be in that other Aston Martin alongside Alonso, and not Stroll.
@@AdminAbuse Who cares
I would say since last year bittas feel like kimi did in his alfa years shouting "I'm essencially retired but hey let's race for the fun of it"
zhou got a p11, and pitstop issues will be solved and sauber will be able to achieve whatever their car is capable of.
Alpine's car is overweight and inefficent, that wont be solved in one upgrade
trouble is though is that the fix won't be there until Imola at the earliest...and that might not work either. These are crucial times.
@@LawVS that is certainly true but I think fixing a pit stop issue is easier than fixing your slow and overweight car... also cheaper
An overweight car will cause maybe 10s time loss. But a ridicious pit stop will cause 26.2s.
Saw a graphic on reddit saying average pit stop time for Sauber this year is 24.4s, that's crazy.
I feel bad for Bottas. He is such a great driver just look at his career at Mercedes, I’m a botass believer , but it definitely hurts seeing him so low on the grid so consistently, and I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he’s out of a team next year, possibly mid season, I just wish it he wasn’t leaving on such an extreme low.
Hope he pulls a Barrichello move.
Don't know Barrichello's story?
Won 9 races for Ferrari in 2000-2004 as Schumacher's number 2.
Got dropped for Massa and ended up in a Honda which kept getting worse and worse. Scored zero points in 2007. Usually ended up last or retired in the races in 2008.
Then got signed by the all-new Brawn GP team for 2009. Won 2 races in grand style (11 wins to his name), a pole and finished a strong 3rd in the final standings ahead of both Hamilton and Raikkonen in the McLaren and Ferrari respectively.
Did Barrichello forget how to drive between 2004 and 2009? No him winning races again in 2009 proves he still had it and the hopeless Hondas he drove made people wrongly assume he was a spent force.
Gerhard Berger? Same story. Never a Senna or Prost kind of driver but a solid driver who could deliver wins throughout his spotty career. Last won in 1997 at Hockenheim aged 38.
Riccardo Patrese is another good one. Won a race in 1982 and his 2nd win in 1983. Then got stuck in hopeless Alfas (history repeated itself...) and Brabhams. Got a drive for Williams in 1989 and then won his 3rd race in 1990. That's a record 7 years between two wins in F1.
In 1991 he drove well indeed, won 2 races and finished a strong 3rd in championship behind Senna and Mansell, and ahead of the aforementioned Berger too (4th in 1991).
In 1992 Patrese was 2nd in the championship. He drove so well Williams wanted to keep him for 1993 but Patrese had already signed a deal with Benetton and said:"I don't break deals I promised to keep." All this while being close to 40 years of age.
In F1 teams need the Barrichellos, Bergers, Patreses.... and Bottas's
Not consistent enough to be champions themselves but proven winners with long careers.
It's not even his fault really, he had a shot at points in Bahrain and had a good start before getting very unlucky with Hulkenberg and terrible pitstop.
Then Australia he was definitely fighting around Albon and Magnussen, if he just had a normal pitstop it could've been easy.
Also the fact that these cars are so slow is painful. How can they go from being so fast at the start of 2022 to this
If Albon leaves Williams I think looking at Bottas as a mentor for a junior driver might be a good idea.
"With Bottas in his effective home race" 😂💀
16:47 Spot on, this is the reality of Hinwil today. It's caught in the same sort of limbo that often happens when a company is bought by another with a "long close" (meaning, the sale is announced months or even years before the official transfer of ownership). Been through that personally, puts the whole operation in a weird state. Getting approval for necessary spending gets tedious and bogged down. Most of the staff doesn't know what their future is going to be once the acquisition is final, which absolutely corrodes morale and cooperation. Political maneuvering and ass-covering becomes rampant, cliques form and the best talent that isn't given a signed retention contract immediately looks externally for a landing zone. Rapidly becomes a sh*t-show, both efficiency and quality suffers greatly. You can see it happening in front of our very eyes here...
Another astute and relevant piece Laws, nice werk! 😊
Popping out content left right and centre, and still top quality, good on you!
Bottas and poor pitstops. I still remember that time at Bahrein when Mercedes goofed up by accidentally putting his tyres on the car of Russell, and then Bottas came into the pits, they didn't have tyres for him anymore, and they had to send him out on his old hard tyres again, and then those tyres completely fell off the cliff.
Either way, Sauber can take solace in one thing. Soon there will be the Shanghai weekend. And aside from being Zhou's home race, that weekend is also a sprint weekend, meaning that there's at least one event there that lousy pitstops can't really screw over.
I watch every one of your videos and I don't even watch F1. I like your takes on the sport and the comprehensive way you approach the season is way appreciated.
Gotta love the green lighting in the background to add aesthetic to the video on Sauber
As a finn, i must say that your pronounce on valtteri is pin point perfect.
Just keep in mind that those pit crews are just normal engineers and technicians doing that stuff on top of their normal duties.
I always feel a bit bad for them as they don't get any recognition for a really hard job with extremely limited training time.
Idk, i still think a works team being a backmarker is considerably more embarrassing than a small outfit like Sauber who is half out the door struggling.
You should be renamed to contentmachinef1
LawVS Goated f1 creator
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I wonder if Bottas has the record for longest time spent in the pits since 2010 at this point. Poor guy.
Valteri would make a great LeMans driver. Consistent, not aggressive, fast and very very fit.
Valteri Fernando Verstappen Le Mans would be insane tbh
Reminds me of MSC I KNOW people hate on him bla bla.BUT he was the only driver in 2022 who didn’t have a Single pit stop not a single one under 3.5 sec during the entire season. Crazy isn’t it. How could haas demand points then it like mission impossible
Haas didn't demand points for Mick, they wanted him not to destroy the car in a very expensive way. Jeddah, Monaco were embarrassingly similar and highly expensive and then came Suzuka after the end of FP1 which sealed his future. He wasn't fast either so there was no reason to risk even more crashes in the hope that he would improve.
Losing Fred Vasseur was a huge blow to Sauber.
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One or two slow stops for Bottas is funny. But now it just feels sad. Hopefully Sauber can turn it around.
"We will fix", as they said.
That reminds me when Ferrari are saying we are checking and then you are like waiting and waiting a lot for an answer
Thanks LawVs, that thumbnail of Bottas will live rent free in my nightmares tonight
No lol. Alpine is a factory team, with their own engine and theoretically higher expertise. They are not only getting beaten by customer teams like McLaren and Aston Martin but also by Haas, Williams and Sauber. They are a huge joke. Being this low in the constructors championship as a factory team requires a complete change in the team.
And I think they even have government backing. Let that sink it
Wheelie, wheelie nuts 😂
Zhou has been doing a great job, not enough recognition. He deserves a chance at a better seat soon I think.
Where tho? I don't see merc taking him and the other top team will probably either stay pat or move if they need to (because merc took one of their driver)
@@ShadowWalker-ng1itWilliams
@@zegzbrutal I guess it is somewhat of an upgrade put I'm not sure zhou will have a chance at williams as he will absolutly not be the 1st choice for seat no1 and I think merc still have the option of deciding for the other seat unlike ferrari at sauber and haas
He would be perfect for a midfield team’s second driver, clean, consistent, really decent race pace, but nowadays with alpine in the mud and Aston being Aston there really isn’t much of a ‘midfield’ to begin with.
@@jacliffh9221 I guess he is the kind of driver Hass need, if Hulk goes to Audi, I guess Hass or Williams will take zhou. Or there is a minor possibility Audi keep current drivers for 1 year, becuase no way Sainz would consider a team performing this bad, Hass is getting better so Hulk might consider to stay for another year.
I think HAAS at this point are a better option than any of the other backmarkers. This is the B team of Ferrari. HAAS have a facility inside Maranello. They have many Ferrari engineers. Every good part Ferrari builds, they also get it. If Ferrari builds a great chassis and a great engine in 2026 HAAS would benefit greatly from it.
Audi will bring in the money for further investment but that will take many years to come to fruition and their engine for 2026 will not be at Ferrari, Mercedes or Honda levels.
Williams are 2 decades behind according to Vowels and they don't even have the money to modernise yet.
Torro Rosso have joined forces with RedBull.
Alpine have been going downhill and engineers are leaving nonstop.
Bottas and Zhou should call Gene Haas today. Hulk should stay at HAAS.
Williams gives a little hope every year (or it's just Albon getting the most of the car) but its disappointing to hear year after year that they're still so far behind
@@warren010hI think the team gives their absolute best with the tools they have. Albon is also a great driver, that's why results sometimes appear. Last season their car was fast on the straights. With good strategy Albon gets ahead of the other guys and hold to the position to the end and they managed to get good points. Now it seems everybody is fast on the straights and Williams added some downforce for this season thus the straightline speed isn't as it used to.
@ediltonspencer6974 True good points. I hope they can bridge the gap soon. I miss at the beginning of the hybrid era when Felipe was getting podiums in the car. That was a bit of a long time ago but would be nice to see them back up there again.
Alpine is supported by a major car manufacturer and they've also sunk more than a billion euros into developing their own engine.
I would say that Alpine's performance is definitely more embarrassing than Sauber's.
That's a fair point but with Sauber it's almost worse to have a car that could challenge for a point or two but then it's all thrown away in a few seconds for something that still hasn't been fixed. Bottas is right.
I used to think this would be a good place for Carlos Sainz to go to - not any more. I think Audi is going to have their hands full trying to turn this team around. I hope they can, but it will probably take longer than they anticipated.
I think Sauber just gonna lay flat till 2026.... see if they can be competitive in the new regulation era
@@crystal8537 I doubt it. Audi has now fully bought out the team. Seidl will now have full reign, and I expect there to be noticeable differences even before 2026.
I do want Sauber to do well since it is obe of the smaller team that has been sticking in F1 for years now.
Same, but also cause it is swiss, but always happy to see the smaller teams do good. Thats why I'm a Haas fan
We keep hearing how good the Sauber wind tunnel is and how good the engineering side of the team is, but they have designed a decent car since the Kimi days or even Massa days in the Early 2000’s
For the next pitstop, Sauber will allow the driver to play some slots on their wheels.
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You’ve increased my new passion for F1 so I really appreciate you!
"Pit stop error's are usually forgotten"
Mercedes 2019 German Grand Prix: " if only"
Sauber should ask Andretti how wheel nuts work.
Or any of 40 some NASCAR teams that change tires eight times a race.
I guarantee you sauber did not forget how wheel nuts work over the off-season
Sauber essentially _have_ to run 1-stop strategies for the time being. Lord help them if Suzuka, Shanghai or Miami have changeable conditions.
Imagine they mess up Zhou's pitstop in his home race...
They were shocking, those Sauber pitstops with nuts and bolts flying, like something out of a cartoon. Somehow dropping the Alpha Romeo name they have gotten way worse.
15:48. Before Kimi joined Sauber, he had only competed in 23 car races.
Alot of good drivers come from Sauber academy/ drove for Sauber as their #1 team but all went to better teams ..😅
Another fun video.
I must ask… the hair. Are you now playing in a The Alarm tribute band? 😁
Nah that's all organic
Nah Alpine fall is still most embarrassing IMO. Gasly and Ocon should be fighting at the top of the “best of the rest” pack
Just a little detail I noticed last weekend: in that little F1 intro presenting all the drivers before every session , just after showing Bottas there's a little bit of animation with certain car parts. And in case you hadn't noticed yet, you can probably guess what part specifically is shown. Just coincidence or did someone have a pretty sneaky sense of humor?
That bit aside, it's sad to see Sauber struggling like this, and the effect it has on their drivers. Bottas deserves better. And Sainz would have to be crazy to go there even when Audi takes over, as it would take years to get truly competitive. They managed to dominate endurance racing for years by A) keep going on while all (better) competitors left, and B) throwing insane amounts of money at it. Good luck with the cost cap. Hulkenberg, yeah, I can see that happen.
Anyone else get reminded of K-MART everytime they see that "K" on the Sauber, or the timing graphics ? 😂😂😂🤷♂️
That black and withe Kmart-Havoline/Texaco Lola in Indcar in the 1990s was one of the most beautiful cars ever. Cant say that about the Kick Sauber in puke green
You, and Matt and Tommy are my favorites!
We need a collab!!
Edit- they all have to be in the attic
Been reading up on the good old days of borderline teams struggling to qualify within 107% of top teams pace…seriously,
makes Kick Sauber look awesome!
I can't imagine the uproar from the audience which I will be part of if the same problem happens to Zhou in Shanghai.
They'll swarm the pits and lynch the team
They may be considering other drivers because they are anticipating Zhou and Bottas getting fed up with being sabotaged.
Sauber is currently a zero sum game. Audi din't want to spend more than they have to (building value to their future aquisition) and Sauber not spending nor investing more than they absolutely have to ( maximising profits ). Sauber is not selling a brand, but a business with a wind tunnel - a small one in the grand scheme of things - and the grid slots - the real value - they occupy. The flip side to this is that a major brand is doing the buying who does not have their own wind tunnel. This scenario, I think, is the reason Audi have stepped up their programme for the take over. The "slow conservative" approach coming from Audi and not that Sauber were holding out. IMO, Audi shoould have bought out from the get go and be a client team until they can come online as a manufacturer in '26 and in so doing build the credibility of a serious F1 team. Right now it is in limbo and Audi have only recently gone all in, and this is starting to show. In the long run, it is going to hurt the Audi brand
I wouldn't call The Race as a particularly good source after their infamous video on Alonso's penalty
As a Kimi fan I knew this team was on the road to nowhere.
checo needs to be careful here. sainz going to this joke with the option to build audi around him seems less likely by the week. red bull could look very possible here at this rate.
Idk why so many ppl hyped him up for audi as his fan its a bad choice unless uptill after 2026 ....
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The moment they came out with that livery, there and then I know they are not a serious team 😠
Sauber is no embarrassing like Alpine. They are not a factory team, they do not currently have factory resources, they are not based in the same place as any other team, and the only thing that is keeping them behind Alpine is their pit stops, and even then, that didn’t keep them behind in Australia…
Are the tire guns and wheel nuts manufactured by different vendors for the different teams??? I am confused.
Nuts are custom to each team. Guns are buyout but with team-made parts that enable them to with with the custom wheel nuts.
Thank you for the clarification man.@@jzzsxm
I don't think you can call bad pitstop for sauber "anomaly" anymore. It would be anomaly that they service both cars with out issues.
I agree about Audi ditching both drivers. I don't really understand why Valteri is saying he will give Audi extension priority as in my opinion it is clear that they don't want anything that reminds old sauber team and drivers are most visible part of that. Best he could do would be to go back to Mercedes as second driver, but more realistically he could get Albon:s spot at Williams if Albon gets Mercedes seat. Haas will probably remain back of the grid, so I don't think that is even worth considering anymore. if that is only spot he could get he should leave it to some younger driver and retire. Haas doesnt have big sponsors and current tp is more of a technical guy than someone who wine&dines with potential sponsors. Gene doesn't want to invest more so all in all I would be surprised if that team isnt bottom team in 2026 after Sauber's phoenix moment.
Nearly 50k!
I knew those Chinese wheel nuts were the wrong choice.😂
As any Australian like Bottas would know, “Sometimes you Kick, sometimes you get Kicked.”
Keep em coming bbbbb!!!!!
Alpine is driving with a tractor, sauber is driving with a 20 second time penalty
law you have been my go to f1 content creator. thank you 🙏🏽
ever since Austria last year. You have been a very interesting and insightful person to watch
I am looking at this scenario with a blue and white glasses, but I can not understand how a team can value a multiple race winner lower than a driver who has a record of the most races without a podium.
Zhou has never had a chance to show what he can do. The car was decent in the first half of 2022, but since the second half of that year and ever since, the car (and team) have been complete shite
brembo brakes are also used by ferrari and they also had brake issue
Passing the buck though
Autounion is almost back in f1 boisss s
Your knowledge of formula 1 is amazing. Yes Kravitz should be looking over his shoulder. 😁
An Ernest question: What would Lady Bracknell say?
fernando alonso flashback 13:17
Brembo needs to take the blame bcz Leclerc also suffered brake issue in Bahrain.
Remember when Ferrari drivers Carlos Sainz and Charles Leclerc dueled it out like Ocon and Gasly, or Tsunoda and Riccardo? Remember when one driver took both of the Ferrari cars out of a race? That's why they decided let go of one of the drivers at the end of 2024.
Zhou and Valteri story is disgusting. It can be sorted out. The year is young still
Sauber got all their hard to maintain reputation from Fiat-Chrysler.
Yuo forgor about (in my opinion) best Sauber driver Kubica which won the 2008 Canadian Gp
Idk. At least these teams had two entries for Australia 😂
Sauber Fan here 😭😭😭
5 Minutes ago
LETS GOO!
18:35 bold of you to assume that Hulkenburg will get a podium in F1
I think Valteri knows his racing days are done. He's been working on his own branding for the last few years.
He’s been free to work on his own branding now that he’s out from under Mercedes control. If anything, it will keep him racing longer because that’s how F1 works nowadays, especially when you are outside of the top teams
Car is fast but but big weakness the wheel nut = slow pit stop
That's almost worse...a car with potential limited by pot luck with its pitstops.
And yet Andretti cannot get into F1. I used to love F1, but since Andretti cannot get in I do not watch it now. It is just a private club of racing. It is not the pinnacle of racing.
No ice in their veins?
"Andretti would not be competitive if it joined in 2025 or 2026."
still true
Indeed they are nuts
(Cause ya know pit stop problems... it is a pun)
Carlos is doing way too well to have to bum it at sauber for a year and wait for audi to come in and then who knows if audi will be good right out of the gate so I really hope that doesn’t happen cause he deserves better with the performances he’s been putting in
Sauber messing up more pitstops than ferrari now😅
Ferrari still has a reputation of being bad at pitstops while everyone ignores Mercedes that has had 3 pitstops under 2.5 seconds ever since the start of 2022.
Next : Why Andrea Moda is more embarrasing than Alpine ?
hi
7/10 drivers, 2/10 team overall
Wheelie nuts. The dad jokes are strong with this one. (Hope you get some sleep soon!)
Getting there, thank you!
@LawVS..let down?💋
Valterie is still a good driver, I can see him going to the likes of Williams for a year, maybe replacing Logan Sargent and then going into retirement.
He is completely finished.
"Niko, come over here because you're German" 🤣
I still cant understand why only the top ten get points in a race... Through a season we know a Haas isnt playing the same game as a Redbull, they're battling the teams around them, yet no one around them will pick up a point, other than super seldomly.. What cons are there to give points up to 16th? If only top ten get points and you're fighting for 14th or 15th.. To what end?? For nothing instead of nothing? Dont the back markers deserve to have their own mini battles down the grid for every single position counting? I just dont get it, whats the drawback?
@@bsylvester713 well.. Having MORE points than the team next to you? Where's the motivation if you are team 8,9,10 and all three of you get zero points most races? Things have to go wrong for those peasants to pick up a single point here and there? Why cant the front runners duke it out for the 15 - 30 points every race and the back markers duke it out for getting 5 points instead of 1. 5,4,3,2,1 for example feels way better than 1,0,0,0,0. Atleast you'd get some good scraps out of trying to maximize poultry points instead of everyone from 11 to 20 just "bringing the car home" in the final laps because whats the actual difference between finishing 11th or 17th if both get a hard zero points