One of the things I like about ELF is that they will not hide SuperJunior's history from you. In fact they have full on threads and websites about every scandal super junior has ever had. I really respect that because it shows you just how much Suju has grown over the years. There are many scandals that were taken out of context and twisted by the media and other fandoms, but elf does a good job at keeping the recites, video clips, translations. The amount of times i have seen elfs on twitter give antis so much information whenever antis ask for it. The sad thing is that everytime all they get in return is "IDC Im not reading all that." Once you do get to know suju tho you do realize that all are genuinely good people, and that the mistakes from the past were either ignorance driven by the product of the times, or truly misunderstandings. If you ever have doubts about anything don't hesitate to ask, because efl are always willing to answer anything no matter what type of questions you may have.
Yes, we also do it because we believe in them and we knowledge that people can do mistakes but what is important is if they learn from it and SJ did and we believe that they are better. They always get praised from the Korean industry and workers of how nice and helpful they are, they always show respect both to fans and other idols but also the people that work for them. It's a true show of their cherctor.
Ryeowook once said, at the time suju debute thet didn't have any senior that believe that suju could be success, only shin dong yup, epik high, boa who believed in them. That's why suju promise they would be a good senior, taking a good care, promoting and supporting their junior.
Leeteuk was always a great example to the younger members of Super Junior. He really took care of them during the hard days, so now they just naturally treat their juniors in the same way.
the thing new kpop fans dont get is that most "problematic things" theyve done in the past are the result of that: the past. it was an entirely different era: the concept of being "woke" was not yet part of public conversations, information was hard to get by due to the internet still being at its toddler phase, and most of all, korea was a homogenous country. for them and other koreans, that way of thinking (comparison of skin color, body size, etc) wasnt wrong for them, that was just how life was back then. they had no other culture to compare it to unlike now that korea is starting to become open to other cultures. people need to realize that other factors come into a person's beliefs and a big part of that is what their entire country taught them. do i like that theyve done that? no. do i see why they did it? absolutely. have they changed for the better? definitely. i dont believe theyre bad people, they were just dealt with different cards as what we do have now. life was extremely different before 2010, and the younger generation does not know that because they have nothing else to compare it to. to them, life has always been about political correctness; our generation started with nothing. so it is up to us to talk about it, and i hope people dont just run with what exposés on other platforms say about these men.
that's exactly what i think too it's not only for them it's for us too there r things we thought was fine but they turned out to be not we grew up we learned why aren't they allowed to have a chance too also abt shindong he apologized immediately on his twitter and his apology is still there also he explained what he actually meant he just didn't convey it properly that's why it turned all wrong
Thank you for stating that! That is exactly it. Culture plays a huge part in upbringing. Things are more global now. People are more aware. It wasn’t always like this. SuJu has grown and they’ve educated themselves. They haven’t repeated past “problematic things”. They’re human. People need to stop basing their opinions of SJ on past information that has been cleared up way back when. People also need to understand that if they make a faux pas, maybe they just need to be told why it’s considered a faux pas and not immediately get thrown into the fire. Communication and education always helps. Again, thanks for writing your comment! 💙
Super Junior has always been the same from the past....they will always support anyone, not only from SMEnt and not just a few members...that's because at the beginning of their debut, they didn't have many seniors who "cared for" them, with that experience they feel they have to give attention/support to their juniors so they don't feel like them🙂🙂🙂.... Ryeowook debuted with SUJU after being a trainee for 2 months, Ryeowook said if he didn't join SUJU then Ryeowook would join/debut with SHINEE and become a leader..... They are active in various activities such as variety shows, film/musical actors, radio, etc., so they get to know various people, not just idols...
and this is only such a small portion of how great they are, i recommend some threads about it on twitter bc they r truly the best people on this planet, they treat their hoobaes with SO MUCH love and care and it all starts with Leeteuk who basically raised suju boys and has been the best example of true kindness for them since day 1
Heechul was the "teacher" of the Mnet Survival Program "Idol School" which formed the group Fromis_9, and unlike the other Survival Program produced by Mnet, like Produce 101, Produce 48, Produce Season 1, Produce Season 2 and Girls Planet 999, which formed the groups I.O.I, IZ*ONE, Wanna One, X1 and Kep1er, Fromis_9 is a permanent group. That's why Heechul are friends with all the Fromis_9 members!
I completely agree with what you said about the members past and about Heechul as an individual. It was really nice to hear someone who is a multi-stan like myself not hate on super junior for their past and to actually see the good side of the members and how they've grown and changed over the years. And especially to see what a genuinely nice person Heechul is because I truly believe he's such a lovely and caring person and it's nice to see you agree, as a multi-stan too! ❤
At 8:57 Eunhyuk was in the korean variety show called "shin dong yup’s bachelor party" and where he was the manager of the rookie girl group called Lovelyz. The episode of that was brodcasted the April 2 2015.
What Yesung hyung was right about BoA She is also considered a child for being chosen to be. The director of the sm (name) company, it is a very big burden and responsibility. For a small woman like you and she is lonely working since childhood She didn't spend much of her childhood and didn't have many friends.
One of the things I like about ELF is that they will not hide SuperJunior's history from you. In fact they have full on threads and websites about every scandal super junior has ever had. I really respect that because it shows you just how much Suju has grown over the years. There are many scandals that were taken out of context and twisted by the media and other fandoms, but elf does a good job at keeping the recites, video clips, translations. The amount of times i have seen elfs on twitter give antis so much information whenever antis ask for it. The sad thing is that everytime all they get in return is "IDC Im not reading all that." Once you do get to know suju tho you do realize that all are genuinely good people, and that the mistakes from the past were either ignorance driven by the product of the times, or truly misunderstandings. If you ever have doubts about anything don't hesitate to ask, because efl are always willing to answer anything no matter what type of questions you may have.
Yes, we also do it because we believe in them and we knowledge that people can do mistakes but what is important is if they learn from it and SJ did and we believe that they are better. They always get praised from the Korean industry and workers of how nice and helpful they are, they always show respect both to fans and other idols but also the people that work for them. It's a true show of their cherctor.
Ryeowook once said, at the time suju debute thet didn't have any senior that believe that suju could be success, only shin dong yup, epik high, boa who believed in them. That's why suju promise they would be a good senior, taking a good care, promoting and supporting their junior.
Leeteuk was always a great example to the younger members of Super Junior. He really took care of them during the hard days, so now they just naturally treat their juniors in the same way.
I'm crying 😢😢
They support everyone bc the struggle so much, Suju and TVXQ used to live together in a dorm (like 15+ people)
Plus managers
the thing new kpop fans dont get is that most "problematic things" theyve done in the past are the result of that: the past. it was an entirely different era: the concept of being "woke" was not yet part of public conversations, information was hard to get by due to the internet still being at its toddler phase, and most of all, korea was a homogenous country. for them and other koreans, that way of thinking (comparison of skin color, body size, etc) wasnt wrong for them, that was just how life was back then. they had no other culture to compare it to unlike now that korea is starting to become open to other cultures. people need to realize that other factors come into a person's beliefs and a big part of that is what their entire country taught them. do i like that theyve done that? no. do i see why they did it? absolutely. have they changed for the better? definitely. i dont believe theyre bad people, they were just dealt with different cards as what we do have now. life was extremely different before 2010, and the younger generation does not know that because they have nothing else to compare it to. to them, life has always been about political correctness; our generation started with nothing. so it is up to us to talk about it, and i hope people dont just run with what exposés on other platforms say about these men.
that's exactly what i think too it's not only for them it's for us too there r things we thought was fine but they turned out to be not we grew up we learned why aren't they allowed to have a chance too also abt shindong he apologized immediately on his twitter and his apology is still there also he explained what he actually meant he just didn't convey it properly that's why it turned all wrong
Thank you for stating that! That is exactly it. Culture plays a huge part in upbringing. Things are more global now. People are more aware. It wasn’t always like this. SuJu has grown and they’ve educated themselves. They haven’t repeated past “problematic things”. They’re human. People need to stop basing their opinions of SJ on past information that has been cleared up way back when. People also need to understand that if they make a faux pas, maybe they just need to be told why it’s considered a faux pas and not immediately get thrown into the fire. Communication and education always helps. Again, thanks for writing your comment! 💙
Super Junior has always been the same from the past....they will always support anyone, not only from SMEnt and not just a few members...that's because at the beginning of their debut, they didn't have many seniors who "cared for" them, with that experience they feel they have to give attention/support to their juniors so they don't feel like them🙂🙂🙂....
Ryeowook debuted with SUJU after being a trainee for 2 months, Ryeowook said if he didn't join SUJU then Ryeowook would join/debut with SHINEE and become a leader.....
They are active in various activities such as variety shows, film/musical actors, radio, etc., so they get to know various people, not just idols...
and this is only such a small portion of how great they are, i recommend some threads about it on twitter bc they r truly the best people on this planet, they treat their hoobaes with SO MUCH love and care and it all starts with Leeteuk who basically raised suju boys and has been the best example of true kindness for them since day 1
Heechul was the "teacher" of the Mnet Survival Program "Idol School" which formed the group Fromis_9, and unlike the other Survival Program produced by Mnet, like Produce 101, Produce 48, Produce Season 1, Produce Season 2 and Girls Planet 999, which formed the groups I.O.I, IZ*ONE, Wanna One, X1 and Kep1er, Fromis_9 is a permanent group. That's why Heechul are friends with all the Fromis_9 members!
I completely agree with what you said about the members past and about Heechul as an individual. It was really nice to hear someone who is a multi-stan like myself not hate on super junior for their past and to actually see the good side of the members and how they've grown and changed over the years. And especially to see what a genuinely nice person Heechul is because I truly believe he's such a lovely and caring person and it's nice to see you agree, as a multi-stan too! ❤
3:16 it's Why Not The Dancer with Eunhyuk, Jisung, Taemin and Gikwang from Highlight
At 8:57 Eunhyuk was in the korean variety show called "shin dong yup’s bachelor party" and where he was the manager of the rookie girl group called Lovelyz. The episode of that was brodcasted the April 2 2015.
I love monologue so much Yesung's voice is adorble
Yes, BoA is SJ sunbae. But she's not just that. She's also a director of the company (on behalf).
The one with the girls is actually eunhyuk 😂
sameeee heechul is not even my top bias(?) in suju but I just trust him and love him so much
ELF grew up💙 most of the fandom so proud💙💙💙💙💙
I love Jeno-Donghae bond sadly tge vid didnt include them
What Yesung hyung was right about BoA She is also considered a child for being chosen to be. The director of the sm (name) company, it is a very big burden and responsibility. For a small woman like you and she is lonely working since childhood She didn't spend much of her childhood and didn't have many friends.
thanks for the reaction! 💙
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