@@K__a__M__I Ian is playing 4D chess. He just makes sure you don't confuse it for a part of a horse's bit or a part of body armor such as the armet (yes, both are real meaning of the word). CHECKMATE ♟♟♟
As a Finn I read the title and thought "Surely that can't mean what it sounds like in Finnish. It has to be one of those 'false friends' situations. - Nope, it isn't."
Hawke branded scopes are used in Britain on 12ft lb air rifles, not much else. They range from about $30 to $200 new. The most expensive ones are perfectly ok on rimfires but you wouldn't use them on centrefire rifles.
Hawke now has a pretty good range of products now, the Frontier FFP range is priced as high as €1200. They've come a long way since the days of cheap air gun scopes!
Some are OK on centre fire, chucked a sisewinder on a .243 I bought as a temporary after I broke its scope, been on there for 2 years now with no issues at all. Known people put them on .308s with no problems.
I don't know if you know. The spring airguns destroys scopes(even sub 12ft/lb). Hawke scopes are so shock resistant that has been one of the most used in springers. They can be trusted in center fire, clear glass and the parallax adjustments are well done.
The bulky "precision" furniture with the thumbhole stock and green colour certainly makes it LOOK like a modern (for the time) sniper rifle, like an AWP or SAKO TRG, which does count for something when the rifle's primary purpose is to look cool in the hands of Home Guard volunteers for the recruitment ads.
Lack of funds and need to make some effort make things like this. They are not always successful but eventually develop to something useful. Like in Ukraine nowadays🤔
@@SevensixtytwoYeah. It looks exactly like what you’d expect from a procurement officer who was given a two week deadline and maybe a thousand dollars budget.
Problem of small budget military, trying to modernize something that should be just get rid off. Finland did similar with Tak-85 sniper rifle mid 80's. Yes, that one is accurate, but very heavy, lacks proper safety and optic is more suitable for moose hunting than sniper use.
@@PLATINUM12x5 No, it didn't. The Accuracy International L96A1 entered military service in 1982. The Täpsuspüss M14-TP entered military service in 1998. It's quite clear who copied who.
When Ian was describing the rail and locking system, I was thinking "Oh, OK, that's how it worked, I wonder if there's something about the original design that's a problem....oh. Oh, my. Oh, my lord."
@@donwyoming1936 Just looking at the mechanics of the mount and how it would strain under firing I'm not surprised. Even discounting the hefty kick of an M14, that main mounting screw would loosen within 2-3 shots. Not to mention how it would rattle the scope internals 😬
I completely misread the title and was really impressed by the extra work that went into this particular videos' background etc., but lo and behold my dismay upon realizing this is not a wonder-weapon of the Elbonian people....
"At least it looks the part." I wouldn't say even that. I mean, the stock looks like the accountant's hyper active kid drew the blueprints for that after playing hours on end Halo and Fortnite in total sugar rush.
At the time Estonia was also pretty damn corrupt. After all, it had been less than a decade since the dissolution of USSR. I suspect that the amount of money that was offered for making this weapon was enough for something significantly better, but most of that money was probably pocketed by someone.
I'm pretty sure subjecting the audience to nearly 30 whole seconds of "squeak squeak squeak" while he was adjusting the cheek riser is probably the most excoriating criticism I've ever seen Ian deliver on this channel. Like, we're all sitting here suffering through it and the whole vibe is just, "there's nothing more exciting than this to talk about, so, prepare yourselves."
It was during first years of independent Estonian military. They just had no budget to mention of and sniper rifle probably wasn't top on the priority list.
The army firing range is near to my workshop. Just outside Tallinn. This morning I guess they were using their machine guns...lots of short bursts of MG3 I guess. We also get the occasional big bang that rattle the windows. Gun ownership here is not uncommon. A couple of the shopping malls here have big gun shops.
That Hawke scope is the same as the Tasco varmint. I had the misfortune of buying a 22 magnum with that same scope on it. Thought the rifle was inaccurate. Printed a group of 5" at 50 yards, About sold the rifle but put an old Leupold Vari x 1 on it surprisingly shot sub moa. On closer inspection, found the Tasco/Hawke had a warped tube, loose internals, and the front objective lens would rotate a few degrees with the slightest movement of the rifle. The scope was new and put on the rifle by the seller to help up the price, he figured an optic would help sell the rifle. Sent the scope back for warranty, 4 months later got it back, and immediately put it up for consignment at my local ffl.
Didn't you say in a Q&A video once that the M-14 sniper (M-21?) would be the ideal Elbonian sniper rifle? The fact that it turns out to be Estonia instead of Elbonia is hilarious!
Yeah, I thought the issue with the M-14 is that it's actually pretty good out of the box, but if it gets off it's hard to figure out what's wrong and you have to take it back to the armorer to get it adjusted, or something similar.
I own a very similar size and shape scope with the same adjustment rings that has that same groundhog! for me it's a 22lr rifle scope. The branding says "Tasco".
The bipod reminds me of the older B-Square model that was around in the late 1990's. I had one which would attach to a sling swivel, and the knurled nuts wouldn't hold tension on the legs.
Those “Hawke” scopes used to be sold as entry level airgun scopes, but they did not hold zero on spring powered airguns, due to the ferocious recoil. But nasty chines scopes in any case....
One would certainly *hope* that the second pattern did improve upon this, as there isn't much way to make it less fit for service unless you add a cloth beltfeed. Still, they tried (to save money), and it's an interesting piece of history.
The bipod locking at 3 or 9 o'clock is probably to have a better footprint for storing in a hard case, it probably comes in a wooden box with cutouts that the rifle slots into. That's all I can think of.
From the uk here so I know Hawke scopes they are (at least the modern ones) well respected *air* rifle scopes in the mid tier price range I have seen them used on .22 absolutely fine but they are definably for our sub 12ft/lb air rifles and rimfire not anything with any power to it
Ian has the M14 bug and he's in denial about it. M14 haters will attack Springfield Armory's afterthought with facts about production tolerances, testing, and historical accounts; but they can't counter you when you point out how cool it is. The M14 fucks, it is the ultimate checkmate against the haters.
Ian, That's a fine historical example of something somebody did... But even my mother would mount that scope closer to the receiver 😲 By the time you put it on, forget the irons... And the medium height rings tell me that somebody was on crack but also the gunsmith on duty... Cool rifle though. I wish I had it
"It should be kind of a giveaway that you've made a not ideal military procurement decisions when your sniper scope has a picture of a groundhog on it." Truer words may have never been said.
I know that you're focusing more on guns, but would it be possible to ever get a video where you explain the characteristics and exact differences between late 19th and early 20th century pistol cartridges like 7.62 × 25 Mauser, 7.65 × 21 Luger, 9×19 and so on and why some of those rounds ended up being more popular or better when it came to using them in guns or for manufacturing?
Someone teach Ian how to dismount an M14 rifle from the stock. One does NOT remove the stock liner or screws when field stripping the rifle - as it appears that he discovered.
Looking at SGN adds from the 90’s early 2000’s Square-B was the only mount available for the “new M1A” And no stocks except McMillan. Work with what you got. Back then. If that were created today, then your attitude would be more than fair.
Hey Ian, I’m not sure if this was already asked but has there ever been two guns where the magazines were compatible with each other purely by coincidence?
For a pistol mag to fit in different design, a new mag catch usually has to be cut into it. Ive see a conversion set up turning an H&K USP 40 into a 10mm, that used 2011 magazines
We also have an abbreviation for AK4 (G3 Swedish version), "Alati Koormaks" meaning "Always for a Burden" thanks to its heavy weight. Glad I got to use Galil AR.
If I had to guess you'd want to lock the bipod to the 3 or 9 for storage. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the racks wouldn't let the rifles sit properly at the 6.
In theory, if you are using a sniper rifle the enemy is too far away to hear you adjust you cheek riser.
that squeaking sound is for attracting groundhogs.
@@ThumpertTheFascistCottontaillol sight not zeroed in but at least you got the hogs close!
Hahaha great comment! I love that Ian left that long cut of the awkward silence of the riser
im trying to snipe but the clap of my cheeks keeps alerting the enemy!
But in practice not really, because you need to get pretty close to actually hit.
"It's not really a precision stock, it's a precision-shaped stock" is certainly one way of putting it
"I know a guy with a with a 3 axis CNC router that can turn this into a Green Meanie really cheap".
it's a concept of a precision stock.
_Not Entirely Unlike_ a precision stock.
@@TekdruidI dig the Douglas Adams reference.
"There is a cheek riser, that is adjustable..."
Yes.
Okay, I believe you.
I can see how it functions, thank you.
_Yes, I get it now!_
*Ian! STOP!*
But are you sure? Perhaps a bit more adjustment...
@@ForgottenWeapons For what cheeks are you adjusting this thing?
My youtube client flagged this section as "filler" and auto skipped it 😂
@@K__a__M__I Ian is playing 4D chess. He just makes sure you don't confuse it for a part of a horse's bit or a part of body armor such as the armet (yes, both are real meaning of the word). CHECKMATE ♟♟♟
On the plus side we are entirely familiarized with the cheek raiser...but I think the ones in the back might need a another demonstration.
The "Total Shit" coming from Ian, who doesn't cuss a lot, caught me off guard 🤣🤣🤣
I remember his unlisted video on the Winchester trench gun - it would make Max Miller blush.
I thought this was a Christian Minecraft server…lol
To be fair, he was merely quoting a previously spoken phase, so it doesn't count at actually swearing 🙏
@@AshleyPomeroy do you have a link?
As a Finn I read the title and thought "Surely that can't mean what it sounds like in Finnish. It has to be one of those 'false friends' situations. - Nope, it isn't."
Hawke branded scopes are used in Britain on 12ft lb air rifles, not much else.
They range from about $30 to $200 new.
The most expensive ones are perfectly ok on rimfires but you wouldn't use them on centrefire rifles.
Hawke now has a pretty good range of products now, the Frontier FFP range is priced as high as €1200. They've come a long way since the days of cheap air gun scopes!
Some are OK on centre fire, chucked a sisewinder on a .243 I bought as a temporary after I broke its scope, been on there for 2 years now with no issues at all.
Known people put them on .308s with no problems.
I don't know if you know. The spring airguns destroys scopes(even sub 12ft/lb). Hawke scopes are so shock resistant that has been one of the most used in springers. They can be trusted in center fire, clear glass and the parallax adjustments are well done.
@@rafaelobo1That's always what I've heard. Airguns are one of the roughest on scopes.
Yup I had one on a secondhand webley springer. Binned it.
The bulky "precision" furniture with the thumbhole stock and green colour certainly makes it LOOK like a modern (for the time) sniper rifle, like an AWP or SAKO TRG, which does count for something when the rifle's primary purpose is to look cool in the hands of Home Guard volunteers for the recruitment ads.
Lack of funds and need to make some effort make things like this. They are not always successful but eventually develop to something useful. Like in Ukraine nowadays🤔
@@SevensixtytwoYeah. It looks exactly like what you’d expect from a procurement officer who was given a two week deadline and maybe a thousand dollars budget.
Problem of small budget military, trying to modernize something that should be just get rid off. Finland did similar with Tak-85 sniper rifle mid 80's. Yes, that one is accurate, but very heavy, lacks proper safety and optic is more suitable for moose hunting than sniper use.
trying to modernize? they threw out their fiberglass for wood. this is basic vietnam don't do that shit stuff.
@@ali-3837 Thanks for nit picking. I will rephrase it for you, trying to make a sniper rifle from something that isn't a sniper rifle.
This looked like the L96 at home with that green paint lol.
Elbonian defence force sniper rifle
They were definitely trying to make it look something like an L96
@thomasstone1363 the L96 stole from the Estonian M14
@@PLATINUM12x5
No, it didn't.
The Accuracy International L96A1 entered military service in 1982.
The Täpsuspüss M14-TP entered military service in 1998.
It's quite clear who copied who.
@Loudest_Cricket_ fake
There was a shipping error, Elbonia's Sniper Rifles were sent to Estonia.
I'm not Estonian but I'm Finnish enough to understand the nickname.
"täys paska" :DDD
I also understood that as "täys paska" :Ddd amazing
I assume "Taitsa" refers to the "Crap" part of the "Piece of Crap" translation?
I'm not Estonian or Finnish, but i'm drunk enough to know vanatallinn is delicious!
69 Likes, Nice.
Lmao we certainly have some linguistical similarities with the finns
Bipod off the the side. So it is not rubbing against you when carrying the rifle. Nice feature not really needed but when you need it very nice.
Especially if skiing, so your hands are busy with the ski poles.
@Kaboomf that's why they put the large wire loop, so you can adjust it with gloves
That scope mount is a crime .
When Ian was describing the rail and locking system, I was thinking "Oh, OK, that's how it worked, I wonder if there's something about the original design that's a problem....oh. Oh, my. Oh, my lord."
@@kevinschultz6091 my thoughts
The b-square mount is one of the worst that was ever made for the m-14 pattern.
That shit wouldn't work even on an airsoft gun.
Note to self: Don’t equip your troops with gear from Sportsman’s Guide.
@@JerryDavis-jb1ht brilliant comment
Who needs that bourgie kit when Bud-K is, like, RIGHT THERE
Wow, they actually put an air rifle scope on a military m14.
Those B-Square scope mounts never stayed tight. At least the one I tried didn't. Would get loose and beat the scope apart in a few shots.
@@donwyoming1936 Just looking at the mechanics of the mount and how it would strain under firing I'm not surprised. Even discounting the hefty kick of an M14, that main mounting screw would loosen within 2-3 shots. Not to mention how it would rattle the scope internals 😬
Some say he is still adjusting the cheek weld
And confusing every animal within 100 meters with that squeak.
i see a potential new Elbonian sniper rifle
I completely misread the title and was really impressed by the extra work that went into this particular videos' background etc., but lo and behold my dismay upon realizing this is not a wonder-weapon of the Elbonian people....
Agreed, but as an Elbonian sniper rifle they should have the selector switch disabled to allow only full auto fire.
I keep forgetting the name of Elbonia and every Estonia video he does I think it's a joke
@@AdamWest84 you're correct, it must be a full auto sniper rifle for Elbonia.
@@AdamWest84The full auto setting increases the hit probability to offset the scope constantly losing zero.
As an estonian i am proud of that name
I think finns also love that one
@@martinkoitmae6655 yup. Saw title, thought "it cant be, surely those are 'false friends'" Nope 😂
I should visit Tartu again soon.
Knocked together by accountants and people who have seen precision rifles. At least it looks the part. Thanks for the content.
"At least it looks the part."
I wouldn't say even that. I mean, the stock looks like the accountant's hyper active kid drew the blueprints for that after playing hours on end Halo and Fortnite in total sugar rush.
At least the biggest problem area (scope and scope mount) seems to be fixable with limited effort.
The early 2000s were not exactly the heyday of Estonian economics. It wasn't until the 10s where they started getting some traction.
At the time Estonia was also pretty damn corrupt. After all, it had been less than a decade since the dissolution of USSR. I suspect that the amount of money that was offered for making this weapon was enough for something significantly better, but most of that money was probably pocketed by someone.
@@anteshellIt's a 1990's "sniper" stock from Eastern Europe, of course it's awful!
Estonia getting a lot of representation this year in more than just the Forgotten Weapons world
True. And good. The country has plenty of cool things and places to explore!
I'm pretty sure subjecting the audience to nearly 30 whole seconds of "squeak squeak squeak" while he was adjusting the cheek riser is probably the most excoriating criticism I've ever seen Ian deliver on this channel. Like, we're all sitting here suffering through it and the whole vibe is just, "there's nothing more exciting than this to talk about, so, prepare yourselves."
The garand and the L96 had an affair.
And the L96 drank during the pregnancy.
@@clothar23beat me to it
@@clothar23 And before. Actually both of them.
while the SV98 was watching
So basically their procurement officer went on Wish to get the accessories for their sniper rifles.
Pretty sure even Wish has better optics than that dollar store air rifle scope.
It was during first years of independent Estonian military. They just had no budget to mention of and sniper rifle probably wasn't top on the priority list.
The army firing range is near to my workshop. Just outside Tallinn. This morning I guess they were using their machine guns...lots of short bursts of MG3 I guess. We also get the occasional big bang that rattle the windows. Gun ownership here is not uncommon. A couple of the shopping malls here have big gun shops.
What would be the biggest and best gun shop in Tallinn? I am Finnish and I would like to explore Estonian shops for holsters and magazines etc.
@@CaesarPerkele jahipaun is probably the biggest.
That's actually pretty sick there are gun stores in shopping malls. I also kind of miss listening to artillery every day
Yeah. But most people use guns for hunting here.
@@martinkoitmae6655 👍 Yep, I know a few people who hunt.
Locking bipod on 90 degree position might help to carry the rifle with a sling on the back, for instance.
I see you realized those two screws secure the (standard USGI) stock liner and are not meant to be removed for field stripping.
That Hawke scope is the same as the Tasco varmint. I had the misfortune of buying a 22 magnum with that same scope on it. Thought the rifle was inaccurate. Printed a group of 5" at 50 yards, About sold the rifle but put an old Leupold Vari x 1 on it surprisingly shot sub moa. On closer inspection, found the Tasco/Hawke had a warped tube, loose internals, and the front objective lens would rotate a few degrees with the slightest movement of the rifle. The scope was new and put on the rifle by the seller to help up the price, he figured an optic would help sell the rifle. Sent the scope back for warranty, 4 months later got it back, and immediately put it up for consignment at my local ffl.
When an M14 and an SV98 love each other very much...
For $20 a time!
It's the first time knowing Finnish helped me understand something in Estonian. Paska and pask are so close.
God damn it. Eesti caught the rest of us Baltic states lackin. Gotta up our game with what guns he reviews 😤😤😤😤😤 /s
Didn't you say in a Q&A video once that the M-14 sniper (M-21?) would be the ideal Elbonian sniper rifle? The fact that it turns out to be Estonia instead of Elbonia is hilarious!
Yeah, I thought the issue with the M-14 is that it's actually pretty good out of the box, but if it gets off it's hard to figure out what's wrong and you have to take it back to the armorer to get it adjusted, or something similar.
The phrasing of @1:48 is so befitting for a Monday morning.
M14 + Temu scope + Temu stock = SNIPER RIFLE!
Losing the zero in the process of zeroing, just as the Elbonian founding fathers prescribed.
Nothing but 12th best for their troops. Truly their High Command cares greatly about them.
I think you mean 'prescribed' as proscribe means to forbid...
@@AndrewAMartin yup, thanks for pointing that out ))
The groundhog is ADORABLE.
The amount of actual junk attached to that is amazing. The stock is neat though.
"Täitsa Pask" it is worthy of its name .
Dang Estonia balling out with m14 snipers, galils, and g3 battle rifles? Thats some serious retro vibes
I own a very similar size and shape scope with the same adjustment rings that has that same groundhog! for me it's a 22lr rifle scope. The branding says "Tasco".
Holy shit this was a crazy title to see. 🇪🇪 Estonian sniper rifle "Total shit"
This appeals to my very specific interests…I foresee a good month ahead for m14 content. 😊
Holy shit that Shugart clone rifle would be a dream to have.
The bipod reminds me of the older B-Square model that was around in the late 1990's. I had one which would attach to a sling swivel, and the knurled nuts wouldn't hold tension on the legs.
The iconic sound of the M1 Garand clip ejection and the iconic sound of the TP cheek riser squeak.
Well they certainly got the looks right
Great video as always
Welcome to Estonia!
The squeaking cheek riser thumb wheel kills me 💀
Those “Hawke” scopes used to be sold as entry level airgun scopes, but they did not hold zero on spring powered airguns, due to the ferocious recoil. But nasty chines scopes in any case....
That giveaway m14 is a thing of beauty
Thanks Ian
That groundhog scope is the icing on the cake. 👌
One would certainly *hope* that the second pattern did improve upon this, as there isn't much way to make it less fit for service unless you add a cloth beltfeed.
Still, they tried (to save money), and it's an interesting piece of history.
Holy shit they actually put scopes on their military rifles that are cheaper and worse than Simmons scopes....
Finland needs these, we crave the Täysin Paska
Hawke scopes are pretty common in the UK. It's a brand for cheaply getting glass on a air rifle or maybe a 22 LR at most
Great video and a look into how the M-14 lived on.
This type of "TPing" is on another level.
...wow.
I... have no words...
The bipod locking at 3 or 9 o'clock is probably to have a better footprint for storing in a hard case, it probably comes in a wooden box with cutouts that the rifle slots into. That's all I can think of.
Now we need the valmet sniper and the TAK-85
AWM/AWP at home:
They tried
Good call
A British sniper and an American battle rifle had a child
it was badly beaten and given up for adoption in Estonia.
That stock actually looks pretty cool
Sniper favorite
Its the best ❤
From the uk here so I know Hawke scopes they are (at least the modern ones) well respected *air* rifle scopes in the mid tier price range I have seen them used on .22 absolutely fine but they are definably for our sub 12ft/lb air rifles and rimfire not anything with any power to it
Ian has the M14 bug and he's in denial about it. M14 haters will attack Springfield Armory's afterthought with facts about production tolerances, testing, and historical accounts; but they can't counter you when you point out how cool it is. The M14 fucks, it is the ultimate checkmate against the haters.
Ian, That's a fine historical example of something somebody did... But even my mother would mount that scope closer to the receiver 😲 By the time you put it on, forget the irons... And the medium height rings tell me that somebody was on crack but also the gunsmith on duty... Cool rifle though. I wish I had it
Only Ian can make swearing sound classy
The Estonia/Elbonia crossover that nobody knew we needed
Man it's been so long I've forgotten that model was even made . Very cool very cool .😎 I know there's much better , still love the model and variants.
Took me a while realising it was Estonia and not Elbonia
Truly DMR we have at home)
Damn, Estonian snipers (and Ian) got no chill!
Up Fanathem!
I understand that it's bad but it does look really cool
"It should be kind of a giveaway that you've made a not ideal military procurement decisions when your sniper scope has a picture of a groundhog on it." Truer words may have never been said.
Precision shaped stock....thats it.
Yeah, i ran in professional dressed technicans a lot.
They started a trend there😮
Slightly giggled on that name.
Estonian or Finnish?
I know that you're focusing more on guns, but would it be possible to ever get a video where you explain the characteristics and exact differences between late 19th and early 20th century pistol cartridges like 7.62 × 25 Mauser, 7.65 × 21 Luger, 9×19 and so on and why some of those rounds ended up being more popular or better when it came to using them in guns or for manufacturing?
The argueable term of "professionals"
Someone teach Ian how to dismount an M14 rifle from the stock. One does NOT remove the stock liner or screws when field stripping the rifle - as it appears that he discovered.
Hawke is a very well known airgun brand. It's a good scope for airguns, but but at all meant for a sniper rifle.
Its my running theory that Ian is dropping the Estonian series in between the Elbonian series to keep us on our toes
Looking at SGN adds from the 90’s early 2000’s Square-B was the only mount available for the “new M1A” And no stocks except McMillan.
Work with what you got. Back then. If that were created today, then your attitude would be more than fair.
Hey Ian, I’m not sure if this was already asked but has there ever been two guns where the magazines were compatible with each other purely by coincidence?
Some modern pistols actually.
For a pistol mag to fit in different design, a new mag catch usually has to be cut into it. Ive see a conversion set up turning an H&K USP 40 into a 10mm, that used 2011 magazines
Many guns can use other gun's mags with minimal modifications, but unintentional 100% compatibility is very uncommon.
Integral mouse call...sweet!
What were they thinking!
Squeaky cheek riser and crap scope mounting apparantly.
This was during Perestroika. They were bankrupt. They simply took spare parts and used the tools they had in the shop.
@@samsonsoturian6013 It was after perestroika. In the beginning of the republic. We were so poor that I am amazed that we even did something.
Not much probably
@@Meeliskt77 Perestroika is often used synonymously with the depression following the collapse of commies
The Hawke scope marketing VP was obviously a big Caddyshack fan using that emblem. 🎶I'm alright - nobody worry 'bout me🎶
I don't hate how it looks. I don't like it either, but I dont hate it.
It looks pretty good
I clicked on this specifically because i noticed your earlier typo, "paska" means poop.
Pask = poop in Estonian, Paska = poop in Finnish. Not too different lol.
@@martinkoitmae6655 it actually means "shit". Poop would be kakka.
Got this scope in 8-32x44 on my 7,5 J airgun in 4,5mm (.177 for Muricans). Never thought I would see this on a military sniper rifle :D
Looking forward to seeing you at Finnish Brutality 2025 with this thing, Ian!
We also have an abbreviation for AK4 (G3 Swedish version), "Alati Koormaks" meaning "Always for a Burden" thanks to its heavy weight. Glad I got to use Galil AR.
If I had to guess you'd want to lock the bipod to the 3 or 9 for storage. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the racks wouldn't let the rifles sit properly at the 6.
Tactical squeek while adjusting the cheek rest
I'm waiting for Ian to start greeting us in Estonian.
Honorary Estonian
The TP could stand for 'Total Piecer' and achieve the same dirty nickname status.
Great Value DMR
It's like a 12 year old kid was their purchasing agent picking the cheapest options available
Broooo, that squeak though...