Ive only just found out that the Southern Pacific operated a Narrow gauge line and Ms. Slim Princess here. Im loving the fact she gets to romp around in the snow and run in Colorado for a while to stretch her legs. Cant wait to see some more videos of her on the D&S, hope she'll get to play on the C&T as well!
While the railroad and some railroad fans agree to the change from coal to oil power steam locomotives, other rail fans may disagree to these changes because Durango and silverton railroad has used coal fired steam locomotives since the railroad first existed and these locomotives have historical values which includes the way they were originally powered. Finally some railroad fans may disagree with these changes because coal powered steam locomotives are going extinct and the Durango and silverton is one the last few railroads in the world, or at least in north America, to use coal power and that this type of method of powering steam locomotives needs to be preserved for future generations to come. People in the future need to know how steam locomotives were powered before oil burning was invented.
Durango and Silverton is converting one engine to oil. 493. The remainder will be coal burning. They are also buying two diesel locomotives to use during times of high fire hazard.
@@YardLimit that is good that they are keeping some of the locomotives in in their fleet coal power because those locomotives are considered to be a landmark status.
@@nortonhatfield7312 All that has to be done is save the grates and associated fittings from coal like was done with the 464 which was converted to oil at Knott's Berry Farm and then back to coal on the Huckleberry RR at Flint, MI. When the 464 was shipped from Knott's to the Huckleberry the grates and other stuff was shipped with it. The BIG problem with the 464 was that the State of California made them make a soaker out of it by removing the superheater flues and tubes and dropping the pressure to about 175 or 180 psi. For the Huckleberry that is not a problem, but it would be way underpowered on the C&T or D-SNG with their grades and trains. The boiler would need to be reflued if it came to Colorado to work.
People on ngdiscussion.net posted: "The separate pipe up the back of the stack is responsible for a lot of that, and if it were my engine, the noise would drive me batty. An air compressor exhausting into the saddle is very muffled in comparison." And, "The steam end of that one has a bad blow by. That is why there is a constant blow of steam from the exhaust even, when the pump is not running." You might check out the replies to that question that I posed on ngdiscussion.net
More info from Jeff Taylor at the CRRM: 1, it is a single 9-1/2" pump. 2, the exhaust for the pump was plum wd by the SP in the later years up high behind the stack. It is very noticeable everytime the pump cycles. 3, it does indeed have a regulator, always has, a Governor for the pump and feed valves for the brake valves. 4, when running at the home track at the mutiny Independence the straight air locomotive brakes are almost exclusively used rather than the automatic. Straight air drains the main reservoir quicker requiring the pump to cycle more often, couple that with a load exhaust and you notice it more. Any braking or air pump issues would have been fixed in while in Durango otherwise she would not have run trains downhill. Is there a particular video folks are asking this about or in general? Jeff Taylor CRRM curator of equipment and rolling stock.
After watching this video, Jeff wrote: That helps. Really that isn't pumping very much. Around the yard while the engine is running light the engineer is using the independent brakes which are straight air, this uses air directly from the reservoir to apply the brakes. The pump governor sees a drop in the pressure in the reservoir and sends steam to the pump to replenish it. This means you will hear the pump cycle frequently. Now while the 18 is running with the train and stopping in Hermosa the number of pump cycles is actually normal. Again because the exhaust it a straight pipe mounted behind the stack it is clearly audible and in this case visible all the time. If it were plumbed into the smoke box like most locomotives you would barely hear it if at all. At Hermosa the engineer will use the automatic brakes to stop the train but once stopped he will apply the independent and release the automatic brakes, this will require the pump to cycle and refill the reservoir tanks. Small pump means it will cycle more times than later larger pumps. RGS 20 also has one single stage air compressor it is larger but it has to to all the work and cycle quite often. However the exhaust is plumbed into the smoke box and it mostly unnoticeable by most, if you want some videos and listen carefully you can hear it cycling. Larger locomotives like a K-36 have a two stage or compound air compressor, these pumps in these larger engines are not as audible, larger smoke box and shorter smoke stacks make it less audible. Jeff Taylor CRRM curator of equipment and rolling stock.
Ok... so I’ve heard that just 493 is being converted to oil and I’ve heard that the entire fleet is getting converted. Can some one tell me which is it?
Coal is also the reason why Durango and silverton railroad added covers on the gondola cars, which are converted into into outdoor observation cars, because the cinders from the burning of coal can get into people's eyes plus their clothes too.
and this train trip was supposed to help the durango and silverton members be familiar with oil power steam locomotives since durango and silverton has never owned any oil power steam locomotives until recently and the durango and silverton has committed to convert some of its existing fleet of coal steam locomotives into oil power steam locomotives. this was due to the the durango fire that happened last summer which shutdown that railroad for most of the summer and with local residents accusing the railroad for starting that fire last summer too.
durango and silverton will now be using oil power rather than using traditional coal power on its steam locomotives. this is due to coal being a fire hazard during the drought season.
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Thanks for watching!
would have been neat to see the backing light illuminated ;)
Thanks for watching!
Ive only just found out that the Southern Pacific operated a Narrow gauge line and Ms. Slim Princess here. Im loving the fact she gets to romp around in the snow and run in Colorado for a while to stretch her legs. Cant wait to see some more videos of her on the D&S, hope she'll get to play on the C&T as well!
Today and April 9 she will be taking a train to Cascade Canyon. I'm going to video it again in April. Thanks for watching.
While the railroad and some railroad fans agree to the change from coal to oil power steam locomotives, other rail fans may disagree to these changes because Durango and silverton railroad has used coal fired steam locomotives since the railroad first existed and these locomotives have historical values which includes the way they were originally powered. Finally some railroad fans may disagree with these changes because coal powered steam locomotives are going extinct and the Durango and silverton is one the last few railroads in the world, or at least in north America, to use coal power and that this type of method of powering steam locomotives needs to be preserved for future generations to come. People in the future need to know how steam locomotives were powered before oil burning was invented.
Durango and Silverton is converting one engine to oil. 493. The remainder will be coal burning. They are also buying two diesel locomotives to use during times of high fire hazard.
@@YardLimit that is good that they are keeping some of the locomotives in in their fleet coal power because those locomotives are considered to be a landmark status.
@@nortonhatfield7312 Very true. They must keep coal locomotives, it's heritage.
@@nortonhatfield7312 All that has to be done is save the grates and associated fittings from coal like was done with the 464 which was converted to oil at Knott's Berry Farm and then back to coal on the Huckleberry RR at Flint, MI. When the 464 was shipped from Knott's to the Huckleberry the grates and other stuff was shipped with it. The BIG problem with the 464 was that the State of California made them make a soaker out of it by removing the superheater flues and tubes and dropping the pressure to about 175 or 180 psi. For the Huckleberry that is not a problem, but it would be way underpowered on the C&T or D-SNG with their grades and trains. The boiler would need to be reflued if it came to Colorado to work.
I have a question about 18. Why does her air pump consonantly run? Doesn't the pump have a regulator to control that? Thanks.
People on ngdiscussion.net posted: "The separate pipe up the back of the stack is responsible for a lot of that, and if it were my engine, the noise would drive me batty. An air compressor exhausting into the saddle is very muffled in comparison." And, "The steam end of that one has a bad blow by. That is why there is a constant blow of steam from the exhaust even, when the pump is not running."
You might check out the replies to that question that I posed on ngdiscussion.net
More info from Jeff Taylor at the CRRM:
1, it is a single 9-1/2" pump.
2, the exhaust for the pump was plum wd by the SP in the later years up high behind the stack. It is very noticeable everytime the pump cycles.
3, it does indeed have a regulator, always has, a Governor for the pump and feed valves for the brake valves.
4, when running at the home track at the mutiny Independence the straight air locomotive brakes are almost exclusively used rather than the automatic. Straight air drains the main reservoir quicker requiring the pump to cycle more often, couple that with a load exhaust and you notice it more.
Any braking or air pump issues would have been fixed in while in Durango otherwise she would not have run trains downhill.
Is there a particular video folks are asking this about or in general?
Jeff Taylor
CRRM curator of equipment and rolling stock.
After watching this video, Jeff wrote: That helps. Really that isn't pumping very much. Around the yard while the engine is running light the engineer is using the independent brakes which are straight air, this uses air directly from the reservoir to apply the brakes. The pump governor sees a drop in the pressure in the reservoir and sends steam to the pump to replenish it. This means you will hear the pump cycle frequently.
Now while the 18 is running with the train and stopping in Hermosa the number of pump cycles is actually normal. Again because the exhaust it a straight pipe mounted behind the stack it is clearly audible and in this case visible all the time. If it were plumbed into the smoke box like most locomotives you would barely hear it if at all. At Hermosa the engineer will use the automatic brakes to stop the train but once stopped he will apply the independent and release the automatic brakes, this will require the pump to cycle and refill the reservoir tanks. Small pump means it will cycle more times than later larger pumps.
RGS 20 also has one single stage air compressor it is larger but it has to to all the work and cycle quite often. However the exhaust is plumbed into the smoke box and it mostly unnoticeable by most, if you want some videos and listen carefully you can hear it cycling.
Larger locomotives like a K-36 have a two stage or compound air compressor, these pumps in these larger engines are not as audible, larger smoke box and shorter smoke stacks make it less audible.
Jeff Taylor
CRRM curator of equipment and rolling stock.
Fantastic ! 👍🏻
Nice video. Cool locomotives. With a smile on his face looked. Thank you for the video.
Thank you!
Nice. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you!
Great work, Thomas. Awesome shot at the end. The snow really makes for a nice scene.
Thank you, Scott. The snow really made for some great shots that weekend.
Superr nice video! Great quality and beautiful trains :)
Thank you!
Was the water not frozen when they put it in the locomotive?
No, but now you've got me wondering how they keep it liquid. I'll look into that.
@@YardLimit Ok lol thanks
@@YardLimit It is called a heater. I am sorry but it fits.
@@royreynolds108 heater maybe, the water is mainly treated to lower the freezing point and to keep the scale out of the boiler.
The trains are beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching!
Excellent capture with some beautiful scenery!
Thanks Noah! The snow was a blast!
Great job!!
Thank you!
Fantastic video dear Friend love it. God bless you. Happy Day
Thank you!
Super video!
Thanks!
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This video is one of my favorites Tom! I watched it the other day and did have time to comment. Great Job and thanks for the info!
Thanks Craig!
Spectacular video! Its great to see a new face on the D&S
Thanks! It will be around until June.
Great video I enjoyed very much please make more like this
I do have several steam narrow gauge videos. Check them out and thanks for watching this one!
@@YardLimit Ok thanks! I'll head over there!
Ok... so I’ve heard that just 493 is being converted to oil and I’ve heard that the entire fleet is getting converted. Can some one tell me which is it?
Just 493.
Sweet video Tom
Thanks Pete!
A very nice video and a great locomotive
Thank you!
Excellent video Tom.
Thank you, Hans!
493 might be finished in May I heard, that'll be great news to hear!
That would be great!
When is SP 18's next run?
They need to get its piston fixed, they should have it going before it has to go home in June
Coal is also the reason why Durango and silverton railroad added covers on the gondola cars, which are converted into into outdoor observation cars, because the cinders from the burning of coal can get into people's eyes plus their clothes too.
I guess you can say that SP stands for Super Precious video (I dunno I’m tired). Great job!
Thanks Chris!
and this train trip was supposed to help the durango and silverton members be familiar with oil power steam locomotives since durango and silverton has never owned any oil power steam locomotives until recently and the durango and silverton has committed to convert some of its existing fleet of coal steam locomotives into oil power steam locomotives. this was due to the the durango fire that happened last summer which shutdown that railroad for most of the summer and with local residents accusing the railroad for starting that fire last summer too.
We can play spot the graham in the first clip...
How funny is that! I saw you on the train at the curve but you were right across the platform from me in Durango and I didn't notice you.
Southern Pacific #18 = Female
Four dash six dash zero. Huh.
Yeah, aka "Ten Wheeler". Not like they were rare beasts, just one of the most common arrangements of steamers..
@@jacquesblaque7728 Sure, but no one calls them that - it's just four-six-oh.
durango and silverton will now be using oil power rather than using traditional coal power on its steam locomotives. this is due to coal being a fire hazard during the drought season.
Lucky