THEY GLUED THIS FENCE TOGETHER?! Fence Expert Reacts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Today we're going to be reviewing a fence building video from someone who's been featured on our channel before. The first fence they built wasn't bad and had some interesting info. This is one isn't great and the method they used to hold it together was a little unorthodox...
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I think he built that fence in such a way that he could place as many products in the video as possible. (OSMO Oil is great though)
No way we would get away with that construction method here in Scotland, galvanised ring shank nails for us, and plenty of them !
Great video Joe !
That would be an awful way to do it with this cedar using a nail gun? for me it would have of been screwed and plugged probably use some pu glue on to post to
@@aaron1278 I was alluding to how we do it in Scotland. Never use Cedar as it is too expensive here, we predominantly use pressure treated tanalised softwoods for building fence.
What price are you getting on Osmo Oil? It's £60 / 2.5litres down here in London at retail.
I like the skin/wood analogy when speaking about stains, and sealers!
Thanks, I appreciate you watching!
I learned from my own experience installing cedar siding that to seal the wood you have to seal all 6 sides of every board after it's cut to fit before installation.
Osmo Oil stays tacky after application so he'd be getting it and the biocide in it on himself and scraping some of it off as he knocked the boards on edges while he put them up.
We use stainless ring shanked nails. Galvanized nails bleed, leaving ugly streaks on the cedar fence boards.
💯 galvanized nails will rust at the head.
And never, ever use galvanized nails on redwood.
I really like how you go over the video, very objective, empathetic, fair. I always thought that the guy was a hack, over rated, seems to often take short cuts. I think his huge following is due to the fact that most of his fans are Do it yourself individuals who don't really know the professional way of doing things.
DIY doesn't even mean anything anymore. Now it's just a marketing word.
I'm not the handiest man going but I do know that this Jeff guy is a hack
As a fence salesperson, I've gotta say it's fun to watch your facial expressions in reaction to the 'odd' advice being given in the reviewed videos.
Appreciate you watching!
In Australia. Many horizontal board fences are brad nailed. I can tell you now, for products like Merbau and cypress, brad hold very well. I have fences I built with brads down the road that I built 10 years ago that are still spot on.
@@JoeEverest it depends on the timber. I have no experience with what you guys use.
I’m about 3 hours away from Jeff, just outside of Toronto for me, my area code maxes your fence at 80 inches or 6’8 at the post, stand alone privacy fence that isn’t attached to the house directly can go up to 14 feet tall but must be minimum 3 feet from the fence line so if you don’t get along with your neighbour you can whip together a privacy fence, we normally use something on a louvered system so you can open or close them depending on how the sun is hitting you and only start the louvers just below the top of the fence line, leaving the posts bare below so you don’t end up with a tonne of dead space and pointless louvers. We have almost entirely dropped fencing from our repertoire simply because there is so much headache nowadays with neighbours arguing over property lines and even when you bring out a land survey one of them still won’t accept it and tells you it’s wrong and they’re going to sue you if you move ahead
I have 6x6 post on my deck with post caps. Two of the posts split top to bottom. It appears the post caps did little to stop it. I agree with you, I thought they protected the top of the post, like they do in marinas.
I like to use two nails on each runner and then come back and add one screw each runner when installing a regular privacy fence
Hey Joe, I've used a method similar to this with a cedar fence and 8 years on it is still rock solid. But and this is a HUGE BUT, it only works with a super stable timber like cedar. If you were using something like pine which twists and warps, this method would be a total disaster. That said, I totally agree that he seems to be doing covert product placement and if so, it is really unacceptable.
depends on the weather where u live.
As a contractor my experience is a natural product in an outdoor environment there is no type of adhesive no matter the give that it has that will hold up very long term. Also you can tell what a joke this guy is by the fact he's using galvanized faster in a cedar fence rather than stainless like you are supposed to
I really love your WTF look as you watch 😂😂😂
The only time i have ever used glue on fencing is when I am building a fence on a block (unilock sienna stone) wall. When I do this I have my welder fab me steel fence posts with 4x4 1/8th inch square tube welded to a 10x10 or 12x12 1/4 inch plate and I skin the metal posts with pt to make it look like a 6x6 post. I apply glue to the metal post stick my boards I am skinning it with to it, add a couple self tapping screws to help lock them into place and then I fire a bunch of finish nails through the joints to help hold them tight while the glue sets. My welder is extremely reasonably priced on his work so having him fab up whole posts I can hard mount into the stone works out to around $230 a post compared to $150 per saddle to mount a 6x6 wood post and $50-60 for the wood post itself. I have always felt much more comfortable in the strength solid metal posts give me over a 6x6 in a saddle for the minuscule cost difference
So if you’re going to run that trim down each post on the outside of the pickets, why not just screw the pickets then use the silly adhesive and brads on the trim?
As a fine woodworker, I will attest to WOOD GLUE working. Not sure about PL though. With wood glue, and aligning the grain with the right joint, which this is not, the joint is stronger than the wood itself.
Matt Risinger tested PL Premium to have 800Lbs of strength in 1 inch of glue. May not be conventional but sure will work... not sure on longevity of glue however.
I don't think it's product placement, he's just showing you different ways of building a fence, he does this with all of his projects, framing, drywall, window installs, siding.
I remember watching this video. I believe he calls this more of a privacy screen and less of fence even though he keeps saying fence. I could be wrong though.
Much love from the Uk brother!
I built a fence about 18 years ago. At each attachment point i used 4 two inch 15 gauge air nails in a toe position, figured if they started to come loose in the coming years, i’d just screw or use galvanized framing nails to reattach them. Fence is still holding. 15 gauge nails are a far cry from the 18 gauge he used here.
Also note that all these brad nails are made from galvanized stock , but are not galvanized after processing.
Tried to find warranty information on the 'Osmo' UV clear finish he used and there was none. It said that it should be re-applied every 3-4 yrs.
Interesting, good to know!
Jeff has always been a bit dodgy, if you google his name he and his company has been taken to court multiple times.
Don't remind him of this will result in you getting blocked - LOL - we all know his wife wears the pants in that family.
Your restraint in reviewing this video is priceless. Shows your character and class. Now tell us what you really want to say about hack diy projects and sneaky product placement. Lol fyi I’m surprised this j-off didn’t use bubblegum to save on cost instead of “polyurethane adhesive “ ie glue. Lol
😂😂😂
As long as the wood doesn’t delaminate in the elements it should work.
PL Premium is great stuff, but I'd be interested to see how this held up. That wasn't much adhesive. If it works, I love it. If not, well..... not so much. Also, wood doesn't shrink in length, it just gets skinnier.
Wood shrinks less in length than in width, but it still shrinks. Look at any 45° cut on any railing cap and you’ll see it has pulled opened.
Another great video joe glad your doing well
Glue and braid nails LOL
6:16 Have used tons of construction adhesives and what not on jobs, but using PL Premium (if a first time user of PL Premium, FYI, it can be messy, IT STICKS TO JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, and if HOT OUT; your open time….can be short, keep that in mind. Also, as with any type of construction adhesive, epoxy, or caulk…..I prefer using a “good” caulk gun that’s around 18:1 or so. If doing a lot of “caulk” work, your hands will thank you the next day 😉) and Brads for a fence; IMO, not sure I feel all that good about. Don’t think this installation method will fly with the HOA’s or Inspectors (that’s if getting permits and inspected, but that’s a different vid/chat, and will leave up to you😉). Know PL is strong (to a degree) but during a Hurricane cat 4; last thing I want by my house (or anyone’s that doing fence for) are projectiles that could go thru the house etc… Would that happen, unsure, but IMO, if spending money on a fence (material, fasteners, labor); gonna make sure will stay in place and do it’s job for 10-15 yrs (again IMO, and nothing against Jeff or his Sons).
6:46 I’ve used the Camo system (also, Kreg makes a hidden fastening system for decking as well, and there’s also other companies that has jigs too) for decks on jobs, but I’ve never used it for privacy fences, not even for horizontals…. We face nail with ring shank nails that are hot dip galvanized or stainless (remember live in FL).
Cheers✌🏻
There are reasons things such as wooden fences are not glued together and on reason is that it make taking them down or modifying them easier. In this case Jeff is being lazy and cheap and is advertising for the manufacturer of that adhesive as well as others on this video. The freeze thaw cycle they have there will see that fail after a couple of seasons. Silly Jeff he is getting worse by the video - his latest video on trim painting has him sticking skirting board onto a wall using silicon cauk.
Great analysis
This guy is the Saul Goodman of fence building channels
Loving these videos Joe! Found your chanel through D&J Projects! I'm from the UK and familiar with osmo products. Firstly, can't say I've heard of a "premier" nor can find a osmo "Premier" product on their website so may just be a marketing thing for the US 🤷♂️. As far as lasts 5 years, the only place it lasts 5 years is in an unopened tin on the shelf. They advertise the clear external products as lasting 3-4 years outside. Have watched quite a few Home Renovations videos, and although definitly aimed at diy'ers, enjoyed them. Does seem very product focused in this video and the the use of post foam, lesser fixings, along with fixing the first board after leveling it, then then knocking the other end down/out of level, I'd definitly say there was some trolling going on there 🤷♂️ or some bodgery.... may even be intentional product placements/advertising issues you mentioned too!! Either way, keep up the great content Joe, big love from England 👍
Don't forget homeowners associations may have different regulations on height than the city or county. Point is that homeowners association May require a shorter fence than what the county will allow.
he could have used face screws and galvy finish nails in trim battens to cover seams only?
If I was going to the trouble of spending alot of money on clear wood I wouldn't be gluing and tacking the boards on that's for sure
What do you think on the ready seal Brand
Stain and seal
I have this clear Osmo oil on my fence in the UK. It doesn't last five years. It's crazy expensive: $80 for 2.5 litres. I kind of wish I hadn't commited to using it now I'm locked in four years later.
Good to know, I appreciate you sharing your experience!
Is there any known preservatives for vinyl, or just clean as needed ?
I’ve always been told it’s clean as needed. If you have organic growth you could spray on some diluted bleach to kill it.
looks good for one year
That’s gonna suck for the guy that has to pry boards off and replace. Then again maybe not. I think screws look good when lined up properly.
I've seen this guy so other various installations and always thought "I would not do it this way" or "never hire this guy". Yep
I would slam the gate shut to knock it down, and start over.
I love that guy, but i agree adhesives on fencing seem ridic.
And I only use ring shank nails
The guy is a hack. He's advertising and promoting products and the rest of us are making a living fixing his crap 😅 knew this was going south as soon as he mentioned setting posts in expansion foam. I wanted to give the guy the benefit of the doubt with his nailing system or screwing system that had whatever fastener he was using on the corners of the board but now it's apparent he doesn't have a clue. And he doesn't care either lol you can put money on it, every project he does comes with the good ole tail light guarantee.
Osmo is a serious product for sure
This was a massive ‘troll the fence expert’ video imo. Glue and brad nails, expanding foam, 5 year warranty? And according to a comment below, no product placement. 🤣.
Its like an April fool.
@@JoeEverest - according to Jeff it's also 'Money In The Bank' !!
I will pass judgment on the construction technique in two years time (although I suspect I will only need one year).
I don't get the point of gluing it and then shooting it anyways with a brad nail. Why not use a actual nail and just skip the glue?
Agreed!
goal is to hold until it falls apart next year/
Is this a video of his installation technique or whether he posted his video up to TH-cam standards??
@@JoeEverest I understand. As a viewer and supporter of both channels. When I look for videos to help me out with problems or solutions I have watched both channels but couldn't care less about whether someone didn't upload their video up to TH-cam standard... I guess it would be different if there wasn't a history between you guys with video uploads and what not... it just seemed like a jab at Jeff lol. But I respect both of you guys and will continue to watch you both. Thank you for all the advice and videos man. Keep up the great work
pl premium is the shit for glueing wood, liquid nails is shit
Ive seen a guy lay deck boards and spindles with brad nail gun!….lol
The end look didn't seem right to me with high posts and join covers. Using a combo of foam for the post holes, then glue and brads for the fence just seems like it's not going to last long. Be good to see a follow up video in a couple of years, to see how it's held up with time.
He owns stock in those companies
And next week securing post with play doh
Wow um... I've always liked Jeff but I'm feeling duped after watching this video after seeing the video about the other product he ranted and raved over! How have I not realized the clear product placement!? Another one bites the dust!!
Thanks for watching!
Fence does look good at the time of this video. Not sure about the glue and the nails he decided to use, but since he capped the joints I would have used a better nail or even a screw and if the nail-less look was what I was going for then I would have glued the cap board. Would like to see what this looks like after 6 months to a yr
PL and Brad nails ? For outside Canada weather and wind ? Maybe if it was a divider in a barn or something.. haha..
I hope the buyers of the house see this video and offer him $10K less for having to hire a real pro to re-do it !! haaa.
While I like the look of the fence, I don't care for all the undeclared product placements. If if the glue method turns out to last like indoor glue, then this may be a good alternate method of attaching the boards. However, until there's some proven history, I wouldn't use glue. Also, he implies the post caps are Made in America, while the caps he's actually installing are made in China. Atlantic does make caps, but not the one he's installing.
😮 holy shut! Spend the extra 15 cents per board on nails. Wow
Agreed!
No way
Man we're you polite about that. I got more and more angry as that went on. He's like a used car salesman, soooooooo shady
💯
He’s already got the compressor and everything set up just nail the damn thing ring shank the sucker. Nails allow some of the flex that will happen no matter what, glue is just stiffening it in the wrong places
Absolutely agree!
I love pl premium, we use it as subfloor glue i hate that youtuber though. Everything is fast and cheap❤ i wouldnt touch pl premium to pressure trested bosrd, wet pt doesnt stick well to pl
I feel like Jeff made this video just to troll you Joe..I mean adhesives to build a fence? Cmon man 👎
Check out Jeff's last video on painting trim - he is gluing skirting board to a wall will cauk - Bahahaha - 'perfect everytime' @ 'money in the bank' - I wonder how many people will do such stupid things ??
How would I personally do this fence different: Well, where to start, lol.
Definitely would use ring shank nails and face nail them with coil nailer for starters; b/c live in Hurricane Ally😉. We have a requirement where I live fir my county and HOA of no more than 6 ft in back/side yards and 4 ft in front yards…so that would be the height. The HOA also dictates what material you can use, along with the color of fence; so, for us….it must be a WOOD fence, cedar or treated wood and MUST be natural color….meaning you can’t stain a cedar/pressure treated fence black, white, blue, red, etc….it’s gotta be “clear” to show natural color of wood used (I know, it’s odd and weird, but it’s what rules are). Far as post spacing goes: 6 ft OC is recommended, but I’d say most are 8 ft OC & even 7 ft OC….but for last 12 yrs been living in FL, not once has an inspector/HOA member/etc ever pull a tape and make sure it’s 6ft OC (they more concerned with height, material, fasteners, & color; IMO). Even though 6 ft OC bit stronger of a fence, I’d go 8 ft, maybe 7 ft, for my posts b/c use less 4x4 (or 6x6 if doing a gate) and know how much lumber is right now, so using less material and saving some money……a plus in my book, and 8 ft OC posts “secured” by “crete is still a strong fence. Far as the Sika PostFix Expansion Foam…..would NOT USE. In fact, I 1st saw that stuff one day when getting material & Sika PostFix was doing a Demo. Thought was pretty cool & interesting; & so we bought some….to try & use for one side of a fence install. Let’s just say, NEVER USE AGAIN (yes followed instructions perfectly, had “near perfect weather”….meaning no rain, did in morning so wasn’t hot/humid hear in FL; but after 2 pm when got back from lunch and had the humidity along with a cool 92° day…..all the posts we set with quikrete posts and some with hydraulic mix b/c of the situation we had and water/moisture etc…. All the quikrete posts were great, and the Sika posts were not so great. Wanted them to work; so bad, cuz think of how much time would save doing fences; but out of the 12 posts we set, only 2 or 3 were usable (even then, not sure how long would “last”); so we had to redo, cuz wasn’t gonna leave them for the Homeowners to deal with later, even if they made it thru our warranty period.
So, that’s a few things I’d have done diff personally.
Would love to see a follow up to Jeff’s fence and see how it’s doing today…..would be interesting to see how his process worked out and if anything happened later on, like a repair/redo, if he’d do anything diff and so on.
Thx for vid, really do like these types of videos!!!!
Thx, cheers✌🏻
Yeah, he’s definitely doing product placement
yea that guy talks, and talks, and almost always uses a "great product". makes his projects way more difficult than they need to be. which wont generally last long.
This video review perfectly frames the reasons I stopped watching this guy’s videos.
I would not want to buy this house that he is selling.
@@JoeEverest 100%!
Sidebar: I can’t wait to redo my fence with the wealth of knowledge I have accumulated from your videos.
This guy in blue shirt looks and sound like he would be annoying to be around for more than 20 mins.
😂 agreed
What a wast of time it mite last 12 to 36 month, after that you would be doing it again.
I might go and try to glue a whole house together
😂
That guy is a hack trying to make a few bucks selling products.
This clown 🤡 lost me at Sika. It only went downhill from there. Is his goal to be the opposite of Bob Vila and do everything as janky as possible? Did I mention this would the slowest way to do a horrible job all at the same time?
I've watched a couple Jeffs video, he comes across as his way is the only way, dont like the guy, seems arrogant and cocky, most importantly is he is teaching his the wrong technique
💯 thanks for watching and weighing in!
Brad nails and glue is a joke
Agreed, thanks for weighing in!
Home reno is just a huge windbag. He'll tell you how to build something that looks nice using his sponsor's merch, but the lifespan of that thing will be a few months. The fact that he's doing this because he "needs to sell the house fast" is on par with a slumlord who doctors up fixtures and harmful outlets to pass visual inspection. Only difference is this guy uses premium stuff and probably has a huge mark up for his property.
💯 thanks for watching and weighing in!
I really don't think the PL will hold as used there for very long, too much movement in a fence even before you add frost into the picture.
Hes a schill hes promoting the product,