Why The Empire Stopped Using Clones FINALLY Explained By the Bad Batch
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I appreciate that the Kaminoans reiterated that an enlistment army would not be as talented or accurate as the clones. Explains a lot.
And there were some hints that Lama Su wasn`t happy about clones being decomissioned, and he said "we don`t know much about the true nature of the Empire." Maybe (fingers crossed) we could see the kaminoan uprising.
@@guidoivanmendez2354 Maybe they will take a bunch of clones and remove their control chips. That would "free" them and allow an uprising.
@@chamoo232 I want that to happen so desperately!!!! Ok, i just think it would be awesome!!! Let's see.
@@chamoo232 yeah make it where Tarkin was already thinking of replacing the clones but a Kamonian clone rebellion becomes the last straw
@@chamoo232 It’d be more cooler if they had a secret reserve army of clones who only follow their commands and have them on stand by if their sovereignty was threatened.
Kaminoans: Enlisted soldiers aren’t as good as clones
Admiral: I beg to differ
*gets folded by rebels with shitty equipment*
Admiral:🗿
Loses to Ewoks and also can’t aim
Lmaoooo
You got to love how the empire was basically defeated by farm boys in crop dusters
@@clearshade3560 I still to this day dont know why the empire sent troops to endor instead of just lighting it up with star destroyers.
@@heroicnerd6404 didn't want to hit their shield generator!
Tarkin: "The Clone Troopers are too expensive. We have economic concerns"
Tarkin 20 years later: *Blows up on of the richest planets in the Empire*
haha, yeah. I agree with you. Tarkin become senile, so does Palpatine.
I mean it was 20 Yeats later... maybe they became more richer
To be fair Alderon was a rebel sympathizer haven
@@johnkongsaisy7014 Would you nuke a country because a few of its leaders *may* be supporting (what is in your opinion) terrorists?
@@ExileTwilight Depends on the scenario if I had unlimited power such as the Empire did I.e new world order then yes i would. If i was just a superpower than no. The Empire can afford to do shit like that. I mean they obliterated a millennia old peacekeeping order just to be unchallenged
The opening Order 66 scene broke me.. but it was so nice to finally see a young Caleb Dume!
Ikrrr shit same here!!
His voice tho… was sounded deep for his age (in my opinion) but besides that the ep was amazing
@@jjacobrose well Caleb was about 13 to 14 i think so it makes sense a bit
Who’s Caleb?
Never mind, from rebels. For some reason I forgot about him
Threw away the soldiers that was literally the only reason why the Empire was able to rise after forcing them to betray the only people that truly valued them ...... And the argument can be made had the empire kept using the clones instead of storm troopers they would’ve been successful against the rebellion
True especially if you had multiple templates not just one thing of DNA while the money is still a issue I would still make the 501st all clones as Vader would want the best
Totally agreed. And with this episode, I think that Kaminoans cared at least a little about clones.
Well that's another good point point but they couldn't produce them bc they were too expensive. The empire wanted to build the death stars which were destroyed eventually by the rebellion only because of wrong architecture.
@@michaelgr8184 you would think with all the years of the clone wars they would improve cloning to be cheaper
@@bigbrother7604 They didn't lol they just knew if they stoped cloning, they needed cash.
I find it funny how the Empire wants to say "Well, we don't have to honor that contract. It was a *Republic* contract" And then will happily use these *Republic* Clone Troopers from the Galactic Army of the *Republic*
Politicians are always hypocritical when it serves them.
That’s just how it is, they’re being realistic with this which I like more than the legends version
It's called political maneuvering. Like how Britain tried to twist It's way out of giving Hong Kong back to China on the grounds that the revolutionary government was not the same government we had made the contract with. The Chinese government insisted we give it back anyway and we did, but we tried very hard to keep it.
I don't know if it was just me but it hurts to see the clones becoming more like droids
Well its because we have seen them and their different personalities over the years. We have gotten to know them not as soldiers but as human beings and that's why it hurts so much.
The way I see it, the clones we see now are the more newer and fresher ones, with the older clones still keeping a similar personality before the chip activation. But that’s only in my head canon, false hope ya could say.
They were biological droids
Bloo agreed. The newer ones are more brainwashed & didn't get to know the Jedi.
It also makes me sad that they slowly become stormtroppers...
Stormtroopers: Half the cost of clones at 1/10th of the effectiveness.
You know, that's perhaps the most realistic thing I've seen come out of star wars.
Economical?! Yeah sure. They cut clone trooper production for a giant disco ball of death. 1.0 and 2.0 and a fleet of secret ultra destroyers
I mean....I would too
Technically....Project Stardust was not the only thing they planned...there was also the Tie Defende Project by Thrawn
@@FlaschenJoe11 Thrawn's TiE Defender was in fact what Empire needed to secure its existence for a very low cost (and even fleet of the four ISDs with full wings of the Defenders would bring any Alliance activity to perma stop)... when both Death Stars were practically expensive resource hogs with very small value giving in return...
They had to save money for the Death Stars by cutting costs somewhere, I suppose.
@@asheer9114 Death Stars actually had VERY high value. If either one of them were fully built, it would mean the end of any and all rebellion.
May the Fourth be with you! Who liked the Bad batch?
It was awesome
Me.
It's fire.
It was Amazing! can't wait till Friday 😊
Loved it
Everyone is talkin about the ending and what happens next I can't wait for the recannonisation of the Kamino revolt cause they definitely hinted at it already
Bro it might become cannon
Just waiting for boba to show up leading Vader’s fist
@@ondrejbacka isnt boba still a child in bad batch and looks the same age as omega
I love that the kaminoans are getting a real personality in bad batch, not just "they can clone, and want money"
Just look at the female kaminoan that helps the bad batch to escape with omega
@@niallharrington3636 Isnt he a teen at that time, I remember one epsiode with the train when they transported that princess I could be wrong but he was a bit bigger that episode
In the words of the great hondo onaka: "This venture is no longer profitable"
If I was the empire I would have continue cloning with a new template as a small specialist force and to save money put them on ice when not in use. Basically just winter soldiers
I'm assuming that was what the test of team 99 was about. The test against the robots was to see their skills. The mission to kill the insurgents was to test their loyalty. Had they fulfilled their mission they might have became a special unit for the empire.
Yeah,. Exactly that was kinda like my point where they only use them for certain tasks.
Kind of like the Comic ARC Troopers? They were put on Stasis until needed and usually were very independent, disliked the Jedi, expected everything to be done perfectly and were ready to kill themselves if it meant that future generations of Clones weren't used for CIS or other means except for the Republic only.
The order 66 scene made me cry, hearing Kalebs master scream as she died was heart breaking
Was that the same Kaleb that went on to Star in the Rebels show???
@@mikesuggs1642 yup
@@mikesuggs1642 yes, Caleb dume, also known as kanan jarrus
Meh he’s not cannon
@@couchgamingnews9379 he is
Throughout the episode, the clones just seemed so damn scary at times due to their extremely aggressive attitudes. Meanwhile with the Jedi, they were almost the exact opposite.
Can you see Palpatine at the bank asking for a loan for the Death Star? “Oh I have unlimited power!”
Sorry your highness, we don’t accept unlimited power as collateral.
Underrated comment.
When you need to draw out your essay to fit it in the word limit
I’ve heard him say economical so many times 😂
Gotta get those clicks in
all of his videos are like this :/
Yeah it was interesting for the first 3 minutes then I heard him repeat himself 3 times by the 6 minute mark.
@@michaelvennart6034 hey man remember.. it’s economical 😂
Tarkin : we will use natural born humans as stormtroopers
Kaminonians: But our contracts
Tarkin: your contracts have been cancelled
Kaminonians ( anger) kamino rebellion
Tarkin : How ironic
I bet Darth Sidious really regretted not having more clone soldiers made for the empire when the rebels won
Yeah the clones would have fucked the rebellion up made things alot harder
nah, maybe if they created clones out of other Genetic code, Jango's was too old already
@@josepalacios8530 Plus they didn’t recover his deceased body to make the late clones more like him
@@josepalacios8530 I would have grabbed templates from other Mandalorians. At the end of the war Mandalore was freshly occupied by the empire and there were plenty of shadow collective/death watch operatives to choose from.
@@JohnDoe-wb6vl only one single spy in the kamino (or any clone creation center) and BOOM reprogramed and against tje empire, just like droids
Another thing I've noticed as to why clones became ineffective is because of their programming after Order 66. Their responses and behaviors are strictly fixed and immutable, much like an AI having a limited number of ways to respond to an individual. And if the clones' programming is limited, then anyone forming a rebellion can study the troopers and their behaviour without a sweat. And that would be threatening for a rising Empire.
EDIT: Just some grammatical fixes.
By the time of the Original Trilogy in Legends canon,the Imperial military was comprised of one of three categories:
1. Jango Fett clones which largely made up the 501st and in fact the 501st was the only part of the Imperial military that was allowed to have Fett clones exclusively.
2. Clones from other templates,now this process would fall victim to nepotism and things like that.
3. Non-clone conscripts and volunteers.
Glad its showing the legends bit ie the runup to the kaminoan rebellion. Hope we see stormtrooper clones vs phase 1 armoured clones.
I love how Palps is able to build 2 death stars, thousands of ships (in episode 9) but clones are when it's too expensive lol
true
My own personal “cannon” does not include 7, 8 and 9. Disney hasn’t expanded the lore of those movies because they know it’s so bad.
I thought the animation in CW season 7 was really really good. But the Bad Batch, the animation leveled up to a WHOLE nother level, it is phenomenal!!!
I laughed
I personality think S7 looked better than the bad batch
@@tiesvanvelthoven8288 yup, you think, i agree with gamerboi
@@tiesvanvelthoven8288 think it comes down to personal preference, I personally can't stand the lip detail they added but love the overall animation it's smooth until you acknowledge the damn lips 🤣
@@charlesbean1072 never watched the lips. But the animation just seems better
I’m thinking the reprogramming of Crosshair and the fact a Caminoin helped the Bad Batch might hint at a canon Clone Rebellion caused by the reprogramming of clones. Just a thought.
I think that Kamino's uprising will be induced by the Empire ending it's business with them. Losing all those credits and suddenly finding themselves under the boot of the Empire will be too much for the Kaminoan's to accept.
Thank you for making this video & may the force be with you
Just imagine what GA Thrawn could've done if he had clones to command instead of conscripted stormtroopers
Him with clones. That’s gg
Thrawn did use clones
Thrawn, Cody, & the remains of Kenobi's, clone unit. That would be an interesting force to see in full action.
it was great to see FPJ reprise the role, even if this is the last time we ever get to see him
The way I always interpreted the ending of clones was that they were no longer viable after the empire took over the galaxy. The separatist basically had an unlimited amount of droid production. Pumping millions out at a time. Clones needed to be fiercely intelligent and capable to battle such numbers. After the fall of the republic and the rise of the empire, there really was no other opposition with such capabilities of production. The rebels that to be fair, the empire created, were just rag tag groups of people. Clones would’ve been over kill to the rebels but palpatine wanting a viable “enemy.”
Yo the new bad batch episode is amazing just saw it like 3 hrs ago
Simple: they were too expensive to make. Much cheaper to recruit humans than to clone them
But still dumb decision. Quantity over quality is never a viable choice. It's evident to see that in the movies. Clone Troopers were superior than Stormtroopers.
@@MyTasteOfMusic1 well the Emperor really needed the funds for both Death Stars
@@dr.bright6272 The Deathstars were a waste of resources, its only useful purpose was to instill fear which also completely backfired because when the Empire nuked Alderaan the result ended in more people ganging up against the empire rather then scaring them into submission. Even Thrawn pointed out how stupid of an idea the Deathstars were and advised that those funds could've been used on more ships but Palpameme and Tarkin insisted. Those same funds also could've been used to bring back the clones which would've completely and utterly rekt the Rebellion unlike the inferior human combatants (not just the Storms but other combat and support units). And besides the empire OWNS the Galaxy, Money is not an issue to them so the excuse of cloning being expensive is not Believable. The Galactic Republic could do it during a war and with less resources, why couldn't the Empire do it when they are in a position a thousand times better then the republic was?
@@jorekeishi952 he didn't know that
@@dr.bright6272 even Vader had troubles accepting the fact that resources was used on the Death Star, so not only was Thrawn the Empire’s greatest tactician was against the idea, but their greatest fighter was too. The resources could’ve been placed in better projects that could’ve easily swept the rebellion, like the tie defender project.
"Jengo Fett's DNA might have been running low"
As a biology student, I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that lol
Only explanation I can think of was that the original sample was replicated so many times that it's viability decreased.
DNA running out in Star Wars was actually a thing that they added as part of the story. It seems that for a massive galactic scale government, this shouldn't have been an issue. But that is in fact an issue they had. Shaak Ti talked about getting a new template (Another person) for the clones since their supply of Jango Fett DNA was running low and Jango was obviously dead. I don't know if cloning clones is a good idea since either, it's just not good to do, or because their DNA was altered already and cloning them with the alterations already made could cause issue.
If you also remember the battle of Kamino, that jar Ventress tries to steal is all of the DNA they have left to work with, that is *all* of it. Now I am sure I am telling you this and probably either can poke holes in it or think it's stupid, but this is just how it's written.
@@silverhawkscape2677 If its done right, that's actually really not possible. Considering they're clones, the can just take a few stands of dna from them as well and copy it a trillion times
They didn't recover Jango's body? Or have back up DNA from Boba?
@@DeathlyDrained That’s the thing. Everytime they clone Jango’s DNA, it’s not a perfect clone. It has little imperfections. And when they clone the imperfect DNA, more imperfections start to show. So when they do clone the cloned DNA a trillion times, more bad batches (defective clones, not clone force 99) start to occur. And they used to have an infinite supply of Jango DNA. Until Mace killed him.
I still think that a adaptation of the Kaminoan clone rebellion would make for a pretty good story. Even if it would seem far fetched for the canon universe version of Kamino. That they could win a war against the Empire all by themselves.
Great content!
Dave Filoni and team knocked this out of the park! I feel like clone wars never left, and the order 66 scene in this was sad as hell also the Ian mcdiarmed scene from revenge was fire those sith eyes tho👀👀👀
Tarkin: we will test the clones to see if they are worthy to be storm troopers.
Kaminoian: they hit all targets.
Tarkin: ugh they failed to be stormtroopers.
Awesome Vid
So those baby clones still in the pods would be the very last batch of clones ever made, only fighting for the empire?
Or maybe fight for kamino against the empire depending if they bring back the clone rebellion
@@clearshade3560 like the old battlefront 2?
They were aborted. Rough but within character for the Empire.
@@CameronKiesser no they were used as purge troopers
@@tonger7018 No. The baby Clones would have been adults and still the bulk of the Imperial military by ANH. Plus in Canon all the Clones were phased out by 5 years. Including Purge Troopers. So they must have been flushed.
Great Video :)
See, this is why we needed an after episode 3 series.
i love the way this was explained in the episode. much like how i loved the one guy from the Imperial cruiser last ep of Mandalorian where he talks about all the innocent people that were murdered on both death stars an how it effected alot of peoples perception on the rebellion.
So far I absolutely love this show, can't wait for more!
Do not Forget that Darth Vader maintained Clone troopers called the 501st legion who went with him during order 66 to the Jedi Temple and went on to serve in many battles up to the Battle of Hoth.
the 501st also transitioned to regular stormtroopers. they were the best but they not all clones. I'm sure that by Ep4 there was only a very tiny minority of clones left mostly due to their rapid aging.
It was actually kind of Explained in Star Wars Battlefront 2 (The original not the EA one). The tall aliens basically revolted and the empire sent Boba Fett and a squad over to clean up the mess. You had to have played through the campaign to get the mission if I recall. Also the base genome for the clones was also deteriorating every batch made causing more defects. And since the original (Jango) was dead they couldn't really continue using it or something I think I read somewhere.
The fact that these series talk about the economic feasibility of stuff like the clone army gives it that realism; I appreciate those little touches.
10/10 on repeating the same point over and over to make an 8 min long video. awesome.
It's was pretty sad seeing how aggressive the clones turned after order 66. Why does star wars have to play with my emotions likes this
'Cause that's Why You love it! It plays with our emotions and its strongly etched in our menory
I always thought the Emperor stopped using clones cause their Kamino masters may pull their own version of order 66 against the Empire. But this is also good.
In star wars Legends that was roughly what happened
@@Methyll i have a theory that this version's Emperor is more cautious about the Kaminoans' clones since a single chip could actually command the entire clone army, it can't be the matter of cost and effiency just so he would disband the clones easily. He IS the emperor, why would he bother with saving moneys and resources now when in Clone Wars, he had so many battleships, new upgraded troopers with advanced Phase 2 armors + weapons and battalions serving under him.
Wait for it 😌
Very interesting. Both the economic and the degradation were factors I had never considered, but in retrospect are not only possible but plausible.
almost sh*t myselt at 4:56
Confirmed storm troopers can’t aim!
they confirmed that in the Mandalorian Season 1 finale
think they also did that in rebels when Rex comments that he can't aim because of the helmet
@@Methyll I always thought some rebels hijacked their weapon to decrease the accuracy (like they hijacked vehicles in rebels)
all of you are wrong, storm troopers are really accurate because their helmets give them super vision, the only reason they miss is they're idiots and they fight peeps with plot armour
@@parklez3250 They may start off as plot armor but unfortunately it became a real thing in universe, unless you want to pretend those Scout trooper inaccuracy in shooting in the Mandalorian to have never happen, or in star wars Rebel tv series where Rex literarily said that storm trooper helmet is crap and you can't shoot straight and he literarily threw his helmet at his enemy instead.
Unfortunately lucas films and disney has officially made Storm troopers incompetence from plot armor convenience to legitimate crap.
Was tarkin to stop using the clone because was expensive and he also dislike the clone too
Tarkin is an idiot, like the clones or not the republic would've fallen without them keeping the separatist armies at bay the Empire was uber rich, the two death stars which could've been used to improve the clones to deal with the rebels, compared to non clone stormtroopers who missed many times over Clones never missed and they plan their attacks in advance so his dislikes of the clones cause the downfall of the Empire..
@@stuartemmanuel3735 maybe he dislikes clones because he sees the same face everywhere he goes
Thank you and God bless.....
If I made a clone army, these would be their abilities:
Increased speed
Increased stamina
Increased strength
Increased intelligence
Increased durability
So increase everything?
@@Underworlddream except aging
@@macwelch8599 How about except dying XD
@@MyMeinhart nah, because even immortal animals like jellyfish can die
@@macwelch8599 you are right, i was just joking :D
Episode 1 was so worth the wait - the dark times have begun. Glory to the Empire!
*clears throat* m o n e y
Best Star Wars release of any kind in quite some time.
Awesome
I love Bad Batch and cannot wait to see more!
Another important thing to consider is that 19 years passes between ROTS and ANH. That potentially means most / all the clones have been phased out and the Stormtroopers on the ground were trained by other stormtroopers. Likely the quality between training from clones vs stormtroopers was vastly lower. In addition, Clone genome was also likely superior, they were more motivated and ready to die for the mission. This was probably just a job for the stormtroopers who didn’t give a shit. Also due to the scale and size of garrisons deployed, it was likely any Tom dick and Harry would become a stormtrooper. Hence their inability to do basic things like shoot properly.
Really interesting ideas! You got me thinking that an additional reason could be that by moving to an imperial citizen-based military, Palpatine is able to add to the illusion of “peace” by giving those same citizens hope of a future for their kids, food on the table, safety & security. At least for a time those people who weren’t fully involved in galactic politics (which is likely to be a large portion, given the size of any galaxy) could convince or be convinced that service [militarily] is a path to everything I mentioned above.
Clearly that feeling would lead to dissolutionment eventually when the empires promised turn out to be hollow, but the immediate gain in compliance by people for Palpatine would be hard to pass up.
Nice
I’m early.... hell yea... I’m gonna watch this
I really hope they show the rebel kaminoans that create a legion of clones to fight against the Empire and the Bad Batch get pulled into it! Bad batch vs Vader’s Fist!
if we see get to see the clone uprising it would be amazing
In Star Wars battlefront 2. If I remember weren’t there a Mission in Kamino, Imperial soldiers went to their to stop the clone production. And a other mission to stop the droids production too.
Do you think at some point in the show we will see clone troopers fighting stormtroopers? We saw this in a Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2005) level on campaign where stormtroopers went to kamino to kill the rest of the clones.
it breaks my heart to see the clones i love as a child turn into mindless soldiers of the empire, just shows how sinister Palps is
It really does make sense, the clones were understaffed during the war and the Galactic Empire was twice the territorial size, it's not only expensive to create clones but it takes years to get new ones ready, and while they were better fighters the empire did not have any serious threats for twenty years, besides small rebel cells that were more of a nuisance than anything else.
Also don't forget the wonders that is moral with the local population being recruited or having family members who were recruited. If your oppressors happen to be your family member/neighbour/spouse, you're less likely to actually take issue with it than some clone you most likely consider not even human.
I liked that final scene with Lama-Su explaining that they would keep a close eye on the progress of the newly-rising Empire to see if they’re gonna be a problem. This is the closest hint we’ve got so far that the Kaminoans are going to have an anti-Empire Clone Force like in Legends.
Fox: So I'm just more of me? Awesom-
*Vader has entered the chat*
Something I've always thought about was since all the clones were out there in the galaxy and they could have children. Perhaps there children would eventually join the empire as stormtroopers.
I recognized the guy you used in the GIF picture for this video is from the Matrix 3 the General who controlled the Mech.
the clones made sense as special forces units, like force 99 was, but not as an army, you don't need an army of perfect soldiers, however essentially the clone army was a special force, built to carry out order 66, after that, Palp had no need for an army of entirely special forces units
Well as can see with stormtrooper and first order their pretty much better as both lost to small forces
@@thealexgundam5006 I mean they lost because the clones didn't do a good job at killing all the Jedi.
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The clones killed most of the jedi, obi wan, yoda, ashoka, were lucky to survive.
The stormtrooper and first order couldn't stop people who weren't even within the military
@@thealexgundam5006 Exactly they left the only Jedi capable of creating the fall of the Empire alive, lucky or not the Clones dropped the ball. The Empire was winning until Luke got involved and he got involved because of Obi Wan, and then was later trained by Yoda to become capable of taking on Darth Vader himself. All the while Ashoka was causing grief for the Empire and helping the rebels. Clones couldn't do their job right.
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Luke and leia was born from Padme so unless the clone direct orders were to kill padme/ then main goal was to kill jedi in which luke wasn't born then.
Obi wan wasn't surrounded by his troops like the other jedi/ similar with yoda who went into hiding later.
The empire wasn't winning, the more control that put hold on people the more and more resistance came to meet them/ when death star blew up alderian which peaceful planet many people joined the rebel alliance to destroy it and many people were already by then aware of the empire bullcrap.
In rebels erza wasn't even apart of the jedi order and he has strong connections to force and through help of kanan he was able take out thrawn
( and the only reason he escaped was due to hunter and his master intervention)
You want talking about someone not doing their job would be the stormtrooper and first order who can't even hit the simplest if targets in point blank range. The clone set the stage for the empire who had entire funding from banks/ control of government to do whatever they saw fit to ensure they stayed in power/ have hunts squads sent to every planet, probes etc anything , but didn't.
( any surviving jedi at this point doesn't have military power to fend hundreds of troops/ ships, in which if empire chose to invest more hunting them down then maybe could dealt with obi wan/ or early
Luke who doesn't have much training)
They chose to go the cheap route on soliders/ fighters, spending big money on super weapons ( which thrawn already knew wasn't a good idea in first place)
If clones didnt do their job their wouldn't be an OT
Will it be a mini series or a series like the clone wars?
Clones may have been expensive but at least they could aim straight. 👀
Here is one thing that I've learned about the old Legends EU: outside of literally a handful of authors, it is just one giant oneupmanship between various authors. Basically, a certain male organ measuring contest but with writing instead of armies or the actual said organ.
The bad batch show just made me want a clone wars version of ROTS even more now.
I think they did an excellent job leading up to decommissioning of the clones, also its interesting that I just realized (after rewatching) that Tarkin acts as though the bad batches effectiveness proves the ineffectiveness of clones, and I think the unplayed note here is that he realized they were fighting for something, together of their own free will, and he saw how the clones failed to measure up to that, which is where Crosshairs team comes in to see if they can match effectiveness of 99 with the loyalty of a clone. so, I don't think economy was necessarily the biggest issue it was cost benefit analysis.
Questions, is Crosshair are the first "Deathtrooper". He's new armor design look like them, including his helmet len.
One of the few things I liked about episode 8 was that they showed how the 1st order raised 💰money to build super deathstars. it Canto Byte
"Finally" like we haven't known this for years at this point.
I like the idea behind the "Star Wars Empire Betrayal" comic. About how Imperial Moffs who were seeking power used clones to try and kill vader and Palpatine. Kind of ties it into the Star Wars Battlefront II campaign with the clone rebellion
What happened to the Clones? Were they killed off after order 66? Some of them did become storm troopers
I figured it was more about trust & the fact a lot of clones started not fallowing orders going awol
Ironically, Palpatines biggest downfall and what eventually led to his demise, was listening to Tarkin. Tarkin was ruthless but was a military fool. If you replace the Tarkin doctrine with that of Thrawn, you'll see an empire that would have been virtually infallible.
Does anybody remember that original Battlefront II mission, where there was the Clone rebellion on Kamino that the storm troopers had to shut down?
Why do I feel like we can actually make that mission canon?
This is a good way to explain the end of the Clones. it is sad most of them never realized that they were pawns of the Emperor and a good reason for the Emperor to go to hell.
I think there might also be a kaminoen uprising using clones as well during the bad batch
this was great, I think I missed the timeline when they stopped using clones for stormtroopers? now i know :)
Darth Sidious/Palpetine : "Yo we turned the republic into an empire like Julius Caesar."
Imperial 1 : "Let's improve our military by Turning an old clone that is useless into a cyborg by replacing their sh!tty limbs and organs with cybernetics."
Imperial 2 : "We should protect the Emperor better by hiring better royal guards."
Imperial 3 : "Let's replace out good clones with people who barely hit their target."
Darth Sidious/Palpetine: *proceeds to yeet the Im-*
Imperial 3 : "But our army will be larger."
Darth Sidious/ Palpetine : "Noice."
I preferred the legends version with the clone uprising because thats what i grew up with and experienced. I played star wars battlefront 2 and remember how i had to fight clones as an empire clone trooper.
Why can’t they use different templates of dna instead of one and enhance the clones while modifying the chip to make them better soldiers ?
Because idiots still exist! Even in a technological advanced civilization such as the Star Wars galaxy...
@@panchogeorocks 😂 definitely
I've loved the first two episodes of The Bad Batch!
A point that I think wasn't raised often so far is that this move ensured that quite a bit of the population (that was able to fight) of the Empire was actively indoctrinated and through them their families etc. which made them more unlikely to rebel against the regime. The clones were never part of the people and even during Republic times their use was controversial.
@4:55 was... was that a light side or dark side squeaker.
I felt like the current canon explanation makes sense without being too complicated. I like it and hope that we could see the clone uprising in the show as it would be cool to see.
that Kaminoan lady helping by keeping the hangar door open gives me hope that there will indeed be an uprising at some point. They may remove the control chip of a bunch of clones during "routine medical tests" and mount a coup against the Empire's occupation. I'm expecting the Empire to come in full force to announce the end of the clone army.
@@chamoo232 Maybe. Legend's version was that they spent 10 years making a batch of "anti clones" so I wonder how the writers would work around it if they do decide to make the uprising
@@blueduck5695 Wasn’t the clones the kaminoans used suppose to be the elite forces like the ARCs? I feel like the uprising would’ve won if they had more experience man.
Not really. The uprising lost because the empire hired Boba Fett as he knew the facility. As well as the storm troopers who were sent to deal with the uprising was the Vader’s fist, the former 501st who actually was still mostly full of clones. Even if the arcs had more experience, the emperor would have sent more forces to deal with them. It would’ve been the clone wars again but only on a single planet. The kaminoains just didn’t have the numbers or territory to maintain a war.
You forgot to say, "May the Fourth be with YOOOOOU, and have a great day."
For me it is the Battlefront 2 Classic canon behind the scenes, I can trust Filoni to an extent but I don't just bend over to new "canon" just because "it is more realistic", I like fantasy in my fantasy settings.