I was thinking when watching the original that Amala would have been a better pick than Pearl. Pearl says things that are true, but in general I feel like Pearl just regurgitate talking points.
@@brandonsnider5871 she's also condescending in general with people will automatically become defensive to and shut down and won't listen to you no matter what. She's not a good debater at all...Like for instance, when that woman said "well you're able-bodied, I'm in a wheelchair" she just says "I understand that but we're speaking about just women vs men " and they started going off in circles...she couldn't explain it in a way to get them to directly answer it...But Amala said it perfectly when she said "my response would be what barriers do you have that a disabled man doesnt?" There's really no way to circle around that response lol. It was a PERFECT point and response and I wish someone would have thought of that.
@@xMorganbrittnyx I agree. She’s more or less using talking points that anyone who’s been a Conservative for a while, has heard over and over. I’d rather listen to someone who teaches me something new. You’re correct about the technique she uses to debate. She shuts ppl down and that goes no where.
What I also find funny is when Pearl was talking to Mindie (the disabled woman) about the lack of barriers, she was talking to her as if she didn't have a disability at all. In Pearl's eyes Mindie was just a woman, not a disabled woman. Which correct me if I'm wrong don't people just want to be seen as people now instead of throwing labels on things. It wasn't until Mindie then re-introduced her disability into the conversation that it became part of it. For a group of people who don't want to be identified solely on one characteristic, they seem to bring it up more than everyone else.
@@avivastudios2311 And then subsequently derail the conversation from the point Pearl was trying to make. I get that topics can mean varied things to different people, but when talking about such a broad concept, people need to focus on the unifying characteristic that brought them there to speak. Which is that (most) of them are women. But it seems we as a culture have turned to a very individualistic view and grouping people together based on common characteristics is seen as taboo unless that group happens to be white people.
At my last idiot job, people weren't even allowed to be referred to as "people" . They even took offense to that. In fact it was considered a form of "harassment" in the company's definition of harassment. To avoid this, people had to be referred to by their dumb job title. So if a disabled female person was a processor, they could only be referred to as a "processor"
@@avivastudios2311 In her video talking about it Sydney said she was "Hangry" at the end. F**k that, I would have been straight up furious, and hungry. I couldn't stand to listen to even a third of what Sydney and Pearl had to.
You're a hero too!!!! Racism and sexism are natural so it will always exist in some form but thanks to people like you that are willing to die defending our precious constitution we all live in the best time in human history. By far!!!
Love this! And everything that you're blessed with in this world you deserve 100%. I almost tear up when I hear members of the black community not treating me like my children and hopefully future grandchildren aren't born as an evil racist. Thank you so much. You're an amazing person.
51:53 The fact that when pearl said women want to sleep around and have no consequence of baby was cheered with a “hell yeah WE do” by the BIOLOGICAL MALE who CAN’T GET PREGNANT is a joke
@@MrMetra101 The only way for these people to learn anything is to make them watch these videos back and then attach references for them to read which example at length why they are wrong. Then also show them the multitude of people who have suffered at the hands of terrible ideals. Even then some of them will just hand wave it away. Most don't learn until something bad happens to them due to their own bad choices
These are the same people who are fine with men being tricked into paying child support for children that aren't theirs, even when they never slept with the mother.
"Pretty privilege" WTF? A feminist in a discussion about feminism just dismissed a woman's accomplishments by saying it's because of her looks. That is what her 'pretty privilege' did.
The fact that their are two MEN on this panel invalidates the seriousness of this debate for me. Especially when you have a transgender women say “hell yeah we do” to not wanting any consequences to sleeping around and getting pregnant…SIR, you cannot EVER get pregnant.
I kept having to turn up volume, turn down volume, turn up, down, up. By the end, I was resenting when Taylor spoke because he made me work to listen to him. This speaks volumes (pun intended) to how much harder life is for men.
That doesn’t have to do with anything this video is about and is incredibly transphobic for no reason… Like I do agree with some of her points but straight out insulting people isn’t right
@@KitKathi it does have something to do with the video she literally said those exact words that’s why it’s in quotes and it’s not “transphobic” nor did I insult her all I did was highlight the hypocrisy in her statement. If you can’t see that then idk you’re weird
As a woman, I’m getting really sick and tired of being told by these so called “feminists” how oppressed I am. No, I’m not. How is it empowering to constantly be whining about this supposed “patriarchy”? I have never once felt oppressed or “less than” because of a man. It sounds like a personal issue of confidence for these people.
100000%, ur so correct. my mother always told me to never be a victim, never put urself in a victim mindset, because if u do, you’ll act that way and feel bad for urself and never will be happy and will never appreciate what u have. and right i’ve never felt less than a man either, my mom always taught me to respect everyone so idk where these feminists are getting all these crappy behaviors / beliefs from. did their parents not teach them these things?
Because they have never faced a barrier I will tell you when your parents decide to not let you study after 10th standard and force Fully marry you to some unknown man and spend the rest on your brothers education and life...go to many conservative communities mostly in third world countries in rural sectors you would find many more disparities.
Nope…I’m not giving her credit for being slightly more prepared but equally insufferable as a smooth brained feminist … Any reasonable message coming out of her mouth is immediately disqualified because she’s a bully, and a hypocrite.
this argument is a variation on ‘whataboutisms* Compared to a 3rd world country, all of our problems seem petty. Part of the problem with our society’s mentality is the idea that struggle and victimization are a zero sum game with a winner and a loser
isn't Eli the man that people are calling to put in prison bc he has been advocating for giving minors un-prescribed puberty blockers? Like trans people who no longer need them should ration and transition minors without parental consent? Yeah I trust this man to talk about women's issues
@@de5072 I thought so. I actually just went and saw Sydney's video and she said she called him out on it during the interview. I wish they had kept that in lmao
It is so extremely annoying how Pearl keeps asking a simple question, "What barriers do women face today?" and literally none of the "women" on the panel could answer that question. Instead the women were constantly deflecting, throwing out random terms and etc. The fact that nobody on that panel can answer that question speaks volumes.
Aside from some people still not respecting women ( which is like racism or “world peace” in that it is never going to be 100% gone) I think women have succeeded in gaining equality, which feminists should be celebrating. Now women in other countries and cultures, we can say face many barriers.
I'll tell you why they can't answer. Because the real answer is that genetically male people tend to not always take genetically female people 100% seriously. Note, I said tend. But they can't admit that because it negates their intersectional feminist beliefs about gender.
1:08:04 that is one hell of a scary demonic cackle followed by pure seething rage. That woman is clearly unhinged. And good on Layla for backing Sydney up. Everyone is talking about Sydney and Pearl but Layla was just as sane and rational as them.
Layla was making a point how people on her side of the argument aren’t respected or listened to enough, and the woman who cackled immediately proved her point 😂.
Not to mention that she said she wasn’t experienced with western feminism. However, she was abrasive and indignant when she addressed the issues if she didn’t like the answers given by others.
“Only 9 out of 10 dentists approve my freaking toothpaste, and you expect me to believe that 100% of your experts think that trans women should be in women’s sports?”😂👌 a valid point!
I thought the logical question line was why not mens sports? are you being exclusionary saying that trans can but not non binary? Then why are men excluded from womens sports or why don't we make all sports gender neutral? Shouldn't a gender fluid person ONLY play against the gender they're presently identifying as? What about sexual harrassment, if they identify or are presently identifying as male, or as attracted to the victims gender, shouldn't trans be treated as and as such given the full recourse of the law, judgement and scrutiny as the standards that have been layed out for men? As a trans person are you able to biologically have children? No, then why the fuck are talking about pro choice? Do you think that you're against the idea of "pretty privilege" which exists subconsciously even between heterosexual same sex groups as an inherent social hierarchy (we're more likely to listen to people with attractive traits, probably part of why Amala has 818K subs) because no guy wants you, you'll never bear their children and no girl does either as your basically a simp who can't change a car tyre or make a fire? What did your Grandmother say/tell you about the great female oppression in her 50 year marriage of oppression of patriarchal tyranny and toxic masculinity? Oh, they never divorced? They're still together? wow, interesting...
The 9 out of 10 is quite interesting actually. It’s more a general consensus when the researchers ask “what brands do you recommend?” And 9 out of ten will say Crest and Colgate etc. (Nothing to do with the trans stuff but I just like random little facts)
Bro sometimes I’ll see a white woman that prettier than a black woman to me. But, somehow that’s a cultural taboo. Sometimes white dudes are taller than Mexican dudes. I don’t understand why that should make the collective insecure😂
First chick proceeds to make it very clear SHE doesn't think Pearl is pretty, just that traditionally she'd be considered pretty. Talking about pretty privilege while trying to basically enforce you don't think someone's pretty is about the funniest, rudest thing ever.
I applaud Sydney and Pearl for keeping themselves so calm and being able to just use their voices. I couldn’t take the attitude and disrespect it’d turn to physical violence real quick.
@@mxkaitlynlealmao just don’t provoke people to purposely get a reaction then freak out when you get a reaction and get decked, that’s p3ssy sh!t. Its immature to start sh!t and not finish it or to start anything at all really to provoke a negative reaction. Good for her for teaching people a lesson and not allowing no disrespect. The person who gets their sh!t rocked over their disrespect will most surely think twice before they try some stupid sh!t like that again, nobody with a busted black eye and busted lip and broken nose is going to probably do anything to anybody after that. Sometimes you gotta teach people a lesson, they have to learn a lesson the hard way. F around and find out, you’re going to meet someone who doesn’t just bark. Don’t. start. things. you. can. not. finish Acting like you’re superior won’t end well either for you lmao careful who you try that lil act on, again you might just meet a person who’s not all bark.
I'm a disabled woman. I was asked by a co-worker why I got a raise and she didn't. My answer... "I asked for a raise based on my good evaluation report"... "Did you ask for a raise?" She turned and walked away. Another one was... When I first started working for that company, I was told to slow down because I was making them look bad. That's all you need to know about this feminist nonsense.
The thing about making others look bad sometimes is valid though. Its about fitting in and working in a team and adapting to the teams dynamic. Happens in work environment regardless the sex.
some people want to do well and work, if shes going beyond and working hard willingly then good for her. if her coworkers want to do the minimum or not go above their pay grade then good on them. both are fair. If someone is making the rest of the team look bad by taking on most of the work, then its not good team dynamic @@l.zwieble6819
Well they happened to pick the most toxic people to go on this debate. Aside from pearl and syd. They had another feminist debate like this one a long time ago and it was very respectful. This one was just awful. It honestly shouldnt have even been aired. There wasnt anything of substance to come out of this debate.
No more living in confusion, no more hoping. If you want to know for sure you're going to heaven when you die, just turn from your guilty conscience. Follow God to the best of your knowledge. So if anything makes your spirit uncomfortable stay away from it. But people shouldn't overthink their relationship with God, just focus on today. Not all Christians are on the same level but just don't plan or linger in what you learned is sin. The Holy Bible states that anyone can turn to Jesus, even people who sold their soul to the devil, like witches, psychics, sorcerers, satanists, people who participate in witchcraft. But your life here on this earth is the only time you have to make up your mind. At this point, you have to believe Jesus was more than a messenger or a good person. He was sent by God to be Savior of the world and to die for our sins. He was crucified, buried, resurrected three days later, he walked the earth for forty days then ascended into heaven. There were eyewitnesses who recorded events that took place in his life and resurrection. Information concerning Jesus' life and crucifixion was passed down through written history and oral tradition. Ask Jesus to forgive you for every sin you have committed. It doesn't matter how you do it, but just tell him that you repent. You turn from your old wicked ways and turn to him. Tell God that you accept his son Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior... For now on, don't plan or linger in what you learned is against the Bible. Use what you learned so far, and apply it to your life. Once you reach a certain age, your conscience tells you what's right and what's wrong. If you can't picture Jesus giving in/ or behaving a certain way, do not give in. Not every sin will be specifically listed in scripture but you will know it's sin when you feel the guilt. To give you a good understanding of what sin is, it's lying, profanity, extortion, threatening, anger, drinking, masturbation, dressing immodestly, seduction, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, dressing immodestly, unfaithful in relationships or marriage, trying to intentionally get high, child abuse/neglect, trying to publicly humiliate someone or put their sin on a stage, fighting, bullying, biased, prejudice, revenge, retaliation, intimidation, harassment, antagonizing, assault, violence, murder, pedophilia, racism, stealing, pornography, sorcery, abortion, encouragement/support for sin, hypocritical judgment and judging by appearance. You can also read Leviticus 20:1-17 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. God requires us to make righteous judgments such as; encouraging people to live righteously according to his commandments and standing up for what is morally right with empathy. And always keep in mind that any spiritual meditation is very dangerous if you're not focused on the spirit of Jesus. Sin can no longer be your intentions. The sin is the act, so when you have evil thoughts running through your mind. Cast it out, meditate on uprightness. But when you do end up sinning at some point, ask Jesus to forgive you. Jesus knows you can be in tough situations that involve sin but you have to come up with a plan. Don't get comfortable in sin and do your best to get out of it. You have to hate sin, continue to fight out of it. Jesus knows if you're really trying, he knows your intentions. He knows if you really hate sin. Forgive others just as Jesus has forgiven you. Unforgiveness will make you vengeful and God doesn't want vengeance in your heart. God doesn't want you riled up over people you have no control over. Don't let people have control over your mind. Forgiveness does not mean you have to put up with people, of course you're going to have to keep your distance because you know what they're about. God just wants you to let go of this grudge, this retaliation, so you can have peace. When you forgive, you're taking a big weight off your shoulders. Forgive and move on with your life. God just wants you to have control over your mind and move on with your life because your anger and emotions can keep you from thinking clearly or making wise decisions. Do your best to stay away from people who you know are intentionally sinning, you can help them but do not come into agreement or follow what they're doing. Do not deny Jesus, don't be ashamed. You might not have all the knowledge but at this point you have to be willing to stand up for him, don't back down. Continue to humble yourself to learn more about God and keep striving to do better, even through the trials and tribulations. Baptism in water is very important, it is an outward declaration of the decision that we have made for Christ. It identifies us with Christ's death, burial and resurrection. But, person can go in the water a dry devil and come out a wet devil. If a person truly receives Jesus in his heart and drops dead before the baptismal service, without a doubt, heaven will be his eternal home. The thief on the cross can attest to that. The only unforgivable sin is never receiving Jesus as savior and Lord. When the bible speaks of blaspheming against the holy spirit, it is in reference to the prideful pharisees who were attributing the works of Jesus to the devil and trying to entrap the lord. It is widely believed and I take this stand also that Jesus knowing the condition of the hearts of those particular men, was referencing them and not all men. These verses of scripture must be kept in proper context. Do not isolate the scriptures, but read the scriptures before and after, know the setting of the verses and know who the author is talking to. Before a man comes to Christ, he is capable of doing anything. To suggest that a person can commit a sin that God is not willing to forgive him for undermines the entire gospel message. Jesus came to save a lost and dying world. God has so much love and compassion for you but he can't accept you until you accept him. So when God judges you, he is not choosing whether you go to heaven or hell because you already made it to heaven based on your conscience decision to follow him. God will judge you based on your works you did on this earth to determine what rewards you will get in heaven. God knows you can do this, your emotions will have you thinking that it's harder than what it really is. He will forgive anyone for anything but they have to truly regret it and want to be forgiven. I know it might feel like God is overreacting but if you just take a look back at all the evil things you did in your life you'll realize how wonderful God is to make a way for you..
That chick laughing at what Sydney was saying was ridiculous. Not only did she prove her point but also showed ignorance. I'm Australian, so much of our social standard and what our youth are formed by comes from American media amd celebrities. We have every right to have a say in what affects women in America when that is what will then influence the young women here in Australia.
I came from a country that America colonised and moved to Australia but I was shocked how much Australia is so aligned to America more so than a country which they colonised. Often I think Australians go too far with it where it feels try hard and cringe.
But I agree anyone can talk about feminism but at the same time I hope Australia doesn't become Murica 2.0 and hopefully has its own identity rather than just being a follower
I have a friend who has been a hiring manager for a company for 10 years and she has mentioned how nearly every man they hire comes back to negotiate a higher salary whereas woman generally don’t. Both she and my husband were encouraging me to negotiate a higher pay rate when I was in a hiring process a couple years ago and I absolutely didn’t want to because of how awkward I felt. I went ahead and did it anyway and sure enough, my higher rate was accepted. I feel most women think the way I do and just want to avoid any general awkwardness so they go ahead and accept the first offer. So no, this big pay gap conspiracy isn’t a discrimination issue… it’s simply an issue of men generally feeling more comfortable asking for what they want as opposed to women. I hope it changes and more and more women start to do the same.
"Name one barrier" "I'm disabled" "As a woman" "As a woman or as a black woman?" "As a woman" "This question is so silly" "Hey, why are you being so hostile to her? She is a woman trying to..." "AH KYA KYA KYA KYA KYA!" 😅
@@thatgirlreacts5465 It’s completely different. It’s weird for men(transwomen) to be eligible for women’s sports. When transwomen are eligible to enter women’s sports then they’re gonna be chosen to compete which takes opportunity from women who want to compete in sports. If only women were eligible to get into women’s sports it would give them more chances. If only men were getting into men’s sports and women were getting into women sports then it would be considered equal. Plus just cause it’s hard to get into sports doesn’t make it a barrier. Idk how you can’t wrap your small mind around that but whatever.
@@literloep I wasn’t talking about transwomen. Idk why you went off on that. Then you ended it saying that I’m not ‘able to wrap my small mind around that’ and I just couldn’t help but chuckle. I never even said anything about any of what you said. You are literally arguing with your own phone. Lmao
No more living in confusion, no more hoping. If you want to know for sure you're going to heaven when you die, just turn from your guilty conscience. Follow God to the best of your knowledge. So if anything makes your spirit uncomfortable stay away from it. But people shouldn't overthink their relationship with God, just focus on today. Not all Christians are on the same level but just don't plan or linger in what you learned is sin. The Holy Bible states that anyone can turn to Jesus, even people who sold their soul to the devil, like witches, psychics, sorcerers, satanists, people who participate in witchcraft. But your life here on this earth is the only time you have to make up your mind. At this point, you have to believe Jesus was more than a messenger or a good person. He was sent by God to be Savior of the world and to die for our sins. He was crucified, buried, resurrected three days later, he walked the earth for forty days then ascended into heaven. There were eyewitnesses who recorded events that took place in his life and resurrection. Information concerning Jesus' life and crucifixion was passed down through written history and oral tradition. Ask Jesus to forgive you for every sin you have committed. It doesn't matter how you do it, but just tell him that you repent. You turn from your old wicked ways and turn to him. Tell God that you accept his son Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior... For now on, don't plan or linger in what you learned is against the Bible. Use what you learned so far, and apply it to your life. Once you reach a certain age, your conscience tells you what's right and what's wrong. If you can't picture Jesus giving in/ or behaving a certain way, do not give in. Not every sin will be specifically listed in scripture but you will know it's sin when you feel the guilt. To give you a good understanding of what sin is, it's lying, profanity, extortion, threatening, anger, drinking, masturbation, dressing immodestly, seduction, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, dressing immodestly, unfaithful in relationships or marriage, trying to intentionally get high, child abuse/neglect, trying to publicly humiliate someone or put their sin on a stage, fighting, bullying, biased, prejudice, revenge, retaliation, intimidation, harassment, antagonizing, assault, violence, murder, pedophilia, racism, stealing, pornography, sorcery, abortion, encouragement/support for sin, hypocritical judgment and judging by appearance. You can also read Leviticus 20:1-17 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. God requires us to make righteous judgments such as; encouraging people to live righteously according to his commandments and standing up for what is morally right with empathy. And always keep in mind that any spiritual meditation is very dangerous if you're not focused on the spirit of Jesus. Sin can no longer be your intentions. The sin is the act, so when you have evil thoughts running through your mind. Cast it out, meditate on uprightness. But when you do end up sinning at some point, ask Jesus to forgive you. Jesus knows you can be in tough situations that involve sin but you have to come up with a plan. Don't get comfortable in sin and do your best to get out of it. You have to hate sin, continue to fight out of it. Jesus knows if you're really trying, he knows your intentions. He knows if you really hate sin. Forgive others just as Jesus has forgiven you. Unforgiveness will make you vengeful and God doesn't want vengeance in your heart. God doesn't want you riled up over people you have no control over. Don't let people have control over your mind. Forgiveness does not mean you have to put up with people, of course you're going to have to keep your distance because you know what they're about. God just wants you to let go of this grudge, this retaliation, so you can have peace. When you forgive, you're taking a big weight off your shoulders. Forgive and move on with your life. God just wants you to have control over your mind and move on with your life because your anger and emotions can keep you from thinking clearly or making wise decisions. Do your best to stay away from people who you know are intentionally sinning, you can help them but do not come into agreement or follow what they're doing. Do not deny Jesus, don't be ashamed. You might not have all the knowledge but at this point you have to be willing to stand up for him, don't back down. Continue to humble yourself to learn more about God and keep striving to do better, even through the trials and tribulations. Baptism in water is very important, it is an outward declaration of the decision that we have made for Christ. It identifies us with Christ's death, burial and resurrection. But, person can go in the water a dry devil and come out a wet devil. If a person truly receives Jesus in his heart and drops dead before the baptismal service, without a doubt, heaven will be his eternal home. The thief on the cross can attest to that. The only unforgivable sin is never receiving Jesus as savior and Lord. When the bible speaks of blaspheming against the holy spirit, it is in reference to the prideful pharisees who were attributing the works of Jesus to the devil and trying to entrap the lord. It is widely believed and I take this stand also that Jesus knowing the condition of the hearts of those particular men, was referencing them and not all men. These verses of scripture must be kept in proper context. Do not isolate the scriptures, but read the scriptures before and after, know the setting of the verses and know who the author is talking to. Before a man comes to Christ, he is capable of doing anything. To suggest that a person can commit a sin that God is not willing to forgive him for undermines the entire gospel message. Jesus came to save a lost and dying world. God has so much love and compassion for you but he can't accept you until you accept him. So when God judges you, he is not choosing whether you go to heaven or hell because you already made it to heaven based on your conscience decision to follow him. God will judge you based on your works you did on this earth to determine what rewards you will get in heaven. God knows you can do this, your emotions will have you thinking that it's harder than what it really is. He will forgive anyone for anything but they have to truly regret it and want to be forgiven. I know it might feel like God is overreacting but if you just take a look back at all the evil things you did in your life you'll realize how wonderful God is to make a way for you..
Schooling may be the issue here because many of the colleges here in America push liberal agendas and many times indoctrinate these young people into believing the liberal ideologies. These people need to take the emotion out of their view of reality and use critical thinking when cultivating their views. I know when 911 happened people became very hateful towards people from the Middle East. I lived in NY at the time and the people I met from the Middle East were lovely people. So that is how I viewed them instead of listening to the hateful narrative the media and society at the time was pushing.
I agree with you, but they are so convinced they are victims of something, they won’t listen. They cannot even answer a simple question without deflection
You know what's empowering? Acting like an adult, considering the possible consequences of your actions, taking responsibility for your choices, and accepting the outcome even if unpleasant, and that goes for both women and men.
I love the woman who starts every sentence with "as a black latina woman" explains so much about our culture and its obsession with race because for a lot of people like this woman all they think about constantly is race and their racial identity. I never think about anything that about myself or anyone else. Myself and other people are just fellow human beings plain and simple. Like Morgan Freeman said stop taking about it!!!
My counter is to say I'm sorry you are poor uneducated and can't find a job. Then they usually start bragging about thier education job and very good lifestyle . Then I ask so you are oppressed ? Perhaps you are dictionary challenged.
For real. Also, the term "people of color" that everyone labels themselves is so self-degrading as if white people are the default people everyone else is a subcategory of humans, like wtf. And constantly referring yourself as a "minority" really has a bad effect on your psyche.
I’m sorry but pretty privilege is a thing, YES, but so is humour then? Confidence? Having a nice voice? We all are born with a set of cards. It’s our job to cultivate things we can cultivate and value what we have and put it all forward for others to see.
Ya that's so true different things are so many different privileges ...being born into a wealthy with connection and influence, beauty privilege in my opinion is the weakest if not backed by some other privilege ..like if you wanna make your name in glamour industry then there everyone has beauty privilege😂 you need something else too. Even intelligence too if you are 160 iq but was born into low income family in war ridden country , chances are more that you wasted all your potential Why are some so intelligent and some people with learning disability You are absolutely correct you all are given set of cards ..you just need to tactfully use it What about that prostitute who is fuckin pretty but pushed forcibly to this industry by family and pimps .
Mindie is angry at the world because she is disabled. That has nothing to do with feminism at all. 90% of this panel seems to be confused about what feminism is. This just annoyed me and I'm not a woman
To me the fact that Eli and another biological man is included in the discussion about feminism is ridiculous to me. I don't understand what feminist are fighting for now. We wanted to vote, our own sports division, equal pay, to be able to work in any profession, to go to any college and to decide if we want to marry or have children what right is it that they think we don't have that men do. Women actually have more rights in divorce and child custody even if they are horrible mothers. If they think women's rights are so bad here in the US, they should go to another country like Iran. I got so tired of the victim mentality of these people. The abortion debate as a woman that had to have one 19 years ago is a very touchy subject for me. I don't think that the subject of abortion would have gotten so out of hand if women weren't using it as birth control. I do agree there are circumstances that warrant a legal abortion but not just because someone didn't use protection. I had to have an abortion because of medical issues that would have complicated my life and the pregnancy so I didn't have a choice.
I agree with you on all accounts. I have one thing to add though. Women aren’t allowed to go topless at pools and on the beach. We have been socially conditioned to believe breast are sex objects but they are not sex organs. A woman with a double mastectomy can still get pregnant. Breasts are for babies. And yes, we use them in sex, but we use hands too, and no one has to run around wearing gloves all the time. I think it should be the same rules for all. Cover up the sex organs and let people decide what they want to do with the rest
@@shea5542 I don't think you are educated enough to be voicing an opinion on that particular subject. The female chest and male chest are not even remotely comparable and there's a reason breasts are viewed as a part of a woman's private anatomy due to the sexual nature of them. Men (and a substantial portion of women) are biologically wired to view them sexually. There's another part of the body that's viewed as part of a humans private anatomy due to the sexual relation it has that we don't allow to be completely exposed, either. Wanna guess what that is? Did you guess your ass?
I don't know your situation, but I do know that there is always a choice. I know women that have been told it would threaten their life, but still chose to have their child. I just don't believe that your situation or similar ones should be used to justify abortion.
Why didn't Amala get invited to this? Because of the statement she would impose on the message they wanted to portray. They picked Pearl and Sydney because of the color of their skin would undermined what they wanted to say to people who believe delusion. It was orchestrated. Amala would have been wonderful for the panel not that Dude looking person next to pearl.
Exactly ! They carefully selected the panel in such a way that they believed will bring Sydney and pearl in disadvantage but even that wasn’t enough and they got destroyed ,now if they would get Amala or another woman of colour that isn’t a feminist in that panel the victimhood excuse wouldn’t fly so they created a panel in favour of he narrative but again it wasn’t enough and they got their asses kicked.
Heck, if they want trans women, where's Blair? Blair is probably one of the most popular trans woman one social media but we get a drug peddler and whoever Jordan is. Probably because Blair wouldn't agree with the trans narrative
This was so infuriating to watch 😂 I am a woman and I have not faced barriers that weren’t because of my own decisions. I grew up in a city that is always top 3 most violent cities, I dropped out of high school, I had a child young and I still was able to go to school and pursue becoming a pharmacist and will make 6 figures… No barrier I faced was from being a woman… just my own decisions.
I work in a very typical mans trade. I have way less strength then most of my colleagues. It can be a "barrier" sometimes of course but no barrier that feminism would solve. I gotta find ways around it.
Kamala Harris grew up in Oakland CA, one of the poorest cities in the USA. She is black and South Asian, look at her. Look at our Supreme Court. Yes, people face challenges in life, but, you can get through them with hard work.
As a woman a sexual predator especially someone who is predatory towards children DOES. NOT. REPRESENT. ME. This seems like it’s a game of who’s the bigger victim with the except of Sydney, Pearl and Layla. Those women are the only ones who are actually trying to have an intellectual conversation. It’s extremely rude for chuckles the clown to start laughing while Sydney is just trying to ask everyone to be less aggressive and respect Pearl.
Sydney said on her channel that that they cut our the part where she addressed Eli as someone who peddles illegal substances to children. Apparently after the show, they asked her why she said that, and she had to tell them to research the guests they invite on their show a bit better 😅
I think Jordan also tried to be open to different opinions without wavering on their own beliefs. Granted yes they're all human and prone to subjectivity and internal biases but Jordan also showed a level of maturity in this. Especially when they acknowledged not having enough knowledge in the sports conversation.
A sexual predator, that when Pearl asked about abortion, goes up and says, 'Hell yeah we do', what kind of consequence would that person have, they are speaking about pregnancy...
I learned about the whole "women don't ask for raises." So at my last job, I asked for a higher amount to start with. They agreed. They had to classify me as a different department (though I was still doing the job I interviewed for). The reason I was labeled as a different department was because the job I was doing didn't pay that high, but the department label I got did. Therefore, yes, I was getting paid more than everyone else in my department because I simply asked.
I have also seen this firsthand. When I was working in retail, I was getting paid more than my female coworker for the same job. She had been with the company for 13 years, I had only been there 2 years, but she never fought for more pay. Whenever the company would add more to my job description, i was negotiating my pay. Most of the jobs I've worked have been predominantly with women, and most of them would complain about their income but they would never ask for more money.
I always thought that if the gender pay gap really existed, companies in capitalism would be hiring women first because they get the same work for less money. It's just not logic to think women get paid less for the same work AND have more disadvantages when it comes to getting hired.
@@jeana7081 Yeah, women get pregnant, they often leave the job permanently and hiring process costs. So in the long run, it's more economical to hire a man, for a bit more and have a worker for years, than having to look for another in two years, at most. Job market loves men with children, but does not like women with children :D
@@marikothecheetah9342 that's true. But if the pay gap was real companies would be paying >20% less to women which is not a just bit. But yeah, I absolutely agree that it's not as simple as I statet earlier 😅
I think the beauty standard thing is the most infuriating. If you choose to look presentable, stay clean, eat healthy and have a nice personality. Most people will think that you’re relatively attractive. these people saying that they’re not getting anywhere in life because they aren’t traditionally beautiful is stupid. it’s always these people with the ugliest personalities that look the ugliest on the outside.
😂if they are going for modelling industry or film and trying to badge the eye candy actress yes then it would be difficult but not anywhere else ...they are just failure Trying to justify their failed life
Their deliberate “ugliness” is actually a political statement - the rejection of accepted beauty standards. It’s an immediately-recognizable aesthetic.
As a biological woman, in the workplaces I have been in, the promotions and raises I got almost 100% of the time happened because I asked for them, and proved over and over again that I deserved them. For example, if you show interest in wanting to be a manager and that you're capable of it they are going to pick you over someone who slacks off or doesn't want to that position. So don't complain about not being paid enough if you have never even tried to get that better pay.
As an ingenious woman COVERED in tattoos raised in poverty I can say I made it out. I made it out because I had an amazing work ethic and I Always strived for more. When I asked for a raise I got one once I proved myself and it's usually immediately. One time I got offered a higher position without me even asking which was nice because it showed how hard I worked compared to my other coworkers . People saying woman don't have equal opportunity is completely false because I had the same opportunity as a man in the corporate workforce and strived omang the rest because I applied myself.
Thank you I’m a 22 year old mom, I’m an indigenous woman who was raised by my grandmother, and had a ton of childhood trauma 😅 but I’ve been at my job for almost 3 years and I’ve have 2 promotions and a 4 raises in the time I’ve been there, even above employees who had been employed longer or were older than me. Because I put in the work and asked to receive what I deserved for the work I was doing 🤷🏼♀️ By all accounts I should not have been able to do any of this according to these women and I find it insulting frankly.
@@theshermantanker7043 The only belittling I've gotten was from other women, now that I think about it. Not sure why tho. No man I've ever worked with has acted negative towards me that I am aware of.
That's What One Of The Ladies Was Trying To Say. If You Don't Have The Mindset To Better Yourself Your Not Going To Better Yourself, Your Going To Be Stuck In A Rut If You Don't Have The Drive To Make That Leap. I'm Happy For Y'all That Y'all Don't Fall Into That "Victim Mentality" I'm Happy To Share The World With You And Wish Nothing But Success In Your Future Endeavors 🖖🏼🖖🏼🖖🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Why are men allowed to cosplay women and join the panel? That would be like me saying I’m a doctor, having zero clinical experience, and then throwing on a white coat and heading to a medical conference AND THEN being chosen as a panel member on medical issues just because I said I decided last week I was a doctor and decided I knew everything about medicine. What is this insanity???
And THEN, I got mad at the other doctors for saying I wasn’t a real doctor and tried to get them fired from their jobs because they didn’t believe I was a true medical expert with the same experiences as them.
Simple answer, Vice as the host doesn't categorize trans women as men like you do, and you have no categorizing supremacy over Vice. So your whole doctor comparison is odd. And please don't come now with nature and biology, nature and biology don't categorize anything, only humans do.
There are legitimately transgender people. Like blaire white, look her up think you’d probably like her content. However, when you look at the statistics and all the non-binary/gender queer insanity it’s clear that most in this movement just need therapy, an outlet to express themselves, a support system that is not indoctrinated and probably mental health treatment. These people want to have an identity they can define and for there to be s clear cut answer to what is wrong with them. Usually mental illness. I get it , it’s insane but nowadays finding sn escape and an answer to why you’re messed up is transitioning or being non binary, so is substance abuse, eating disorders, etc.
As a black woman myself, it's really frustrating when Black women don't feel beautiful. When I tell you I didn't know about colorism or Black women not being the ideal beauty standards until I was in my early 20s, I was truly shocked. I never felt I wasn't attractive bcus I was black and trust me. I had self-confidence issues. But it wasn't because I was black. My mother always told me I was beautiful, not "beautiful black girl", just beautiful. Not one single guy talked to me from elementary to h.s, but I never thought it was because I was black. I never felt ugly or lesser than because of my skin. Why, because the black girls that I was friends with were getting dates! Colorism was not in my household. And we are not at ALL light skinned. Plus, I don't understand how we're not seen as beautiful when there's a black woman on the arm of damn near every race of man lol?!? I don't accept beauty standards, especially today. I've never worn makeup, Ipreferr jeans and a t-shirt than the main woman fit. Just be happy and stop caring who people think you should look like. I have NEVER in my life been jealous of a white woman, not ever. Smh, self-love is important.
You 're right. Lack of self-esteem is a personal issue not a rule written in stone. I know several beautiful people (both male and females) convinced they are ugly. She said she raised convinced that "black" equals "ugly" in the same period where Naomi Campbell was the most beautiful, famous and desirable woman on earth, where 5 out of 6 most viewed shows were black families sitcoms and i can't recall one woman in there not being beautiful. Those are not things that make you think beauty can't pair with black skin. She deffo had personal issues, but i guess it's easier to blame others for your problems..
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies. 🤡 To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, socialism, multiculturalism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
That's usually the case with most on the left. They don't use logic, data, critical thinking, facts or objective truth. That is why I left the left. I want truth above all else. I slowly realized what they believed was based on emotion, delusions and hate. So sad.
@@neodesousa Look Sir! I’m glad you feel that’s it’s ok to use your male privilege to call a woman stupid for not sharing your delusion. You know where the men are on this panel and I’m not explaining biology to someone that chooses to ignore it.
You know, this is interesting. Most recent waves of feminism were always going around stating that it's a movement/ideology that "fights for the rights of everyone". Premising that I agree with Pearl and Sidney, i want to specify one thing: if some movement is about everyone, you cannot take away an entire half of the equation in debates because you need their perspective to achieve a fair result. And that's why I think (personal opinion here) feminism should pretty much include everyone, the only one thing done right in this completely useless and time-wasting panel to me is that there were at least 2 biological men (and it's not even enough for their purpose). If feminist debates cannot have any man participating, then feminism is absolutely not fighting for everyone (which I think it is exactly the case nowadays, but then be honest and say it clearly XD). Sorry if I made some language mistakes, i don't have much occasions to practice it, i hope i did express clearly my point XD.
That question was answered several times. Having the right to bodily autonomy, the Me Too movement issues like sexual harassment, assault, all the issues they brought up disproportionately harms women.Those were ALL barriers.
@@joyfulrealtor I also want to point out why that girl was laughing so hard at Sydney. She wanted everyone to have empathy for Pearl sharing her experience and yet when someone would share their experience of facing hardships, they both would deny that it exists. I’m telling you that not having autonomy over our bodies is a barrier and you are telling me no, it’s not. Thats exactly what Sydney was mad about but that’s exactly what she and you are doing too. You asked and I answered. My answer isn’t up for debate. You are acting like no one has an answer but that’s not the problem. The problem is that you think our answers need your approval.
This woman in the wheelchair literally lays out how she felt this pressure to be beautiful and maintain her beauty because people would tell her she was "beautiful for a disabled person". And she told herself "just don't get fat"
Amala is a fine female role model. I hope her voice doesn't get suppressed or canceled. people with such an outgoing, positive message tend to get silenced nowadays
I'm not a conservative or anti-feminist, but reaching beyond my beliefs and truly listening made me understand that many of the things I held as absolute truths are not true at ALL. The way anti-feminist/conservative view femininity itself does not entirely resonate with me because I believe that there is more than one way to present femininity other than the traditional way, but nowadays, there's not much else that separate my thoughts from theirs. I am truly grateful, Amala, for the daily work you put into sharing your beliefs here. You made me change so much from a narrow minded person to someone willing to listen, debate and CHANGE MY MIND when I see I'm wrong. Thank you!
I honestly wish that people can respect one another without bashing each other too. I also dont like when people try to use religion as if its fact when its a belief.
Thank you for being willing to listen. I think most of us on the right or in the middle just want to talk about things instead of accepting things at face value. It's always so so nice to find people on/from the left who are willing to discuss. Especially those willing to put their feelings aside and seek truth and logical arguments. I think so many of the good things we have in life come about because we are willing to discuss the pros and cons and not just what is better but what might be best. Best wishes.
Even the pro gun one? She was basically calling feminism racist and shaking her head at all of them. She was the only one who tried to answer Pearl's question, and said to the Hyena "What does that (religion) have to do with it. People think Pearl and Sydney were the only anti feminist ones, but they tend to split these 50/50 with maybe some folks in the middle.
I kept thinking, "They are way prettier than I am, especially the black girls." So, no. Beauty standards are not racist. Plenty of other white girls feel as ugly as me. Plenty of black girls are gorgeous and beautiful.
@@UltraMella no, not at all. And that’s not even the point. She didn’t have to say what she said. She was just smiling, and it was implying it was all a joke, in good fun. As in, we are still all human and women, even if we are on different sides, and we can joke. But because she has views that lady doesn’t like, and she’s known for them, that lady couldn’t even jokingly make it seem like she was complimenting her or getting along with her. She couldn’t let that slide.
@@SuperMelrose1 the same way you say she didn’t have to say what she said is the same way she didn’t have to compliment her. Pearl was being honest about how she feels and that other woman was being honest too about how she feels about Pearls looks. Stop being salty. If you think Pearl is beautiful go tell her and stop expecting other women to validate her. You do it
It’s so upsetting that in there campaign to have voices heard they are actively shutting down everyone else who disagrees with them, shutting them up, stealing there voices from them, silencing them. It’s heartbreaking.
What makes you think transgender women are just "choosing" to be trans. Do you really think they're just doing it because they think women have it easy? Plus, even in countries like ours, we still have incels and people like Nick Fuentes fighting to make it illegal for women to vote and force women to be under Taliban rule
@@lalaemm5985 I'm pretty sure that we still have incels and people like Nick Fuentes who are advocating for women to be banned from voting and forced to live under a Christian version of the Taliban. Women certain have more rights here than they do in other places, but the fact remains, there are still people like Fuentes who, if they had the power, would take those away
As a woman the abortion debate sux , I was in a serious relationship with the same man. I fell pregnant twice on the pill than the 3 month needle. Prior to this I tried to get my tubes tied and was denied as I was 19 they said I was too young for tubal ligation. To be fair I’m Australian. It from my eyes punishes women like me who did take the preventatives. I do agree with pearl and Sydney love their views
Completely. To me the abortion debate shouldn't even be a question. You're asking these women who don't want a child to give birth. Who's gonna look after that? Who's gonna pay for everything? You're asking for a child to be born into a very very unfortunate situation. And the mother to go through 9 months of hell only to hate her life afterwards. It makes no sense. Not to mention the tiny little fact that IT'S HER BODY.
I just don’t understand why they care more about unborn children than the actual born children out in the world that would’ve been better off aborted, living horrible lives and they don’t give a damn about them. As long as they’re born that’s all they care about.
I'm against abortion, in the sense that I think it's a minefield of either regret or desensitization, but I'm for keeping it as a right, because it's been proven to reduce criminality. I'm also for the father to be able to request an abortion, because paternity fraud, that's his body, too, albeit a smaller part. I'm also also for abortion until the child is socially (including financially) independent, but I'll grant that's a more contentious issue B)
I bristled a bit when Pearl said women use abortion because they want to sleep around with no consequences. My mind immediately went to friends who have had abortions and it was the greatest shame of their life. Or when, while going crazy in my 20's, I thought sex was power as a woman and I had a couple scares, but didn't consider abortion an option. .... All that ran through my head as defense against Pearl's broad stroke of the topic. But then the women cheered. They backed up Pearl's statement better than any statistics she could have presented.
@Bla Bla ,that breaks my heart. I am so very sorry for your friend. This is why I can't understand why those women cheered, like it's some how liberating? I'm in the middle on the abortion issue...but like your friend, the women I have known have been forever chained to their choice, not freed by it.
I fully agreed with Pearl in this case because the statistics don’t lie. The majority of abortions are not for medical emergencies or for reconciling with sexual abuse; they are for those who have undesired pregnancies because of their own consequences. I have seen many women in my life who end up pregnant and the first thing they say is “let me get my 1400 or X amount of money and drive to the abortion clinic to get rid of the baby.” I will never understand the avoidance of responsibility when the same ones complain about men not taking care of their kids. I would rather argue that there should be more testing of birth control options that are not harmful to women’s bodies. I feel like having that access could change the game because I personally don’t take BC due to the negative mental and physical effects different types have had on my health.
Thank you for sharing your story. I had an abortion 15 years ago and still feel shame to this day… however, many people I know glamorize abortions. I have been celebrated by certain parties after I divulged that I did. Someone even said happy Mother’s Day to me. But this is the general consensus about abortions. It’s celebrated. It’s praised. I cannot believe the state of the world right now
33:45 Not this lady talking about violence issues due to the vast differences in male and female bodies, only to later fight that males deserve to have a place in women’s sports
I like how when Pearl mentions the quotas around women no one acknowledges it, instead what they say is “well you’re pretty so you wouldn’t know how tough it is to be an ugly and undesirable woman”.
@@clydekimsey7503 she even acknowledges it herself in many of her videos. Nothing wrong with looking average. They are saying it just because she is healthy looking. They want to invalidate her arguments just because of that - how frustrating that must feel like
The irony of one of the only people there apart from Sydney and Pearl that were able to have a respectful conversation was a biological man. That Jordan person was actually polite and well spoken.
YEah I was going to say, Pearl and or Sydney or Amala should snag Jordan and have a real conversation bc at least Jordan can articulate her views, I think it would be very helpful for people to understand her perspective bc these other people are so infuriatingly unlikable and nasty, and frankly fuckn racist, diminishing people perspectives bc they're white is just racist idc
@@atsukiiesteru4984 which one was Leyla the lady in the grey suit on the front row ? If so she was also polite and articulated her points well but didn't speak much.
@SmolWavingSnail Layla didn't talk that much because she knew most of the leftists were brick walls, so she would be wasting her energy trying to argue with them, since they would never accept her statements
@Philip Garcia as much as I agree he shouldn't have been there in the first place, at least he was polite and well spoken. Which cannot be said for majority of the other people there. Especially the cackling witch, she was just obnoxious.
The lady in the wheelchair should understand how unfair it is for biological males to participate in women’s sports Would it be okay for non disabled people to participate in sports that are specifically designed for those who are disabled? I don’t think that would be fair to the disabled participants to allow non disabled people to participate in the sport. We have to be able to view things from other people’s perspective and not our own.
I agree with the sentiment about biological males in women's sports but honestly most disabled sports that are designed specifically for disabled people are actually not very able-bodied friendly. Eg. Wheelchair basketball, I promise you the able bodied person would be at a disadvantage if they had to play wheelchair basketball. Now sure, if they are not in a wheelchair too then they might do better but if they're playing *wheelchair* basketball they *would* be playing in a wheelchair and they absolutely do not have the advantage at that point. I've had some direct involvement in disabled sports and very genuinely that's a poor example. I get what you're saying though.
@@pia-olefa I have seen wheel chair track and basketball. But I get what you saying. She would have a fit if she needed a parking spot and they were all taken by able-bodied. Although some have handicaps that are not noticeable
@@pia-olefa I don't know much about wheelchair basketball but that's just ONE example. You know what? I'm not entirely convinced. If you take the superstar basketball living legends of today and stick em in a wheelchair, I think there's a good chance they could still win.
I joined a Type 1 Diabetic chat group not too long ago, and left it pretty quickly. There was way too much victim mentality. I didn’t know what to expect, but I absolutely hate playing the victim.
I guarantee you, EVERYONE on the planet will go through something (medical) in their life. Some younger than others but it will be experienced regardless. I don’t understand the “why me” mentality because why not me? Would it be better to push my Illnesses on others? No. VICTIMHOOD is currency today and we have to shut it down. It won’t help anyone getting better or learning to cope and live with it.
My husband is in the sheet metal union. It took over two years for him to get into the apprenticeship. He even took math classes at our local community college to help him try to get in. He would call the representative every few weeks to show how eager he was but it still took over two years. They have you interview in front of a panel and take multiple tests and he scored well, again it took two years. If you are a women or a minority though you do not have to test and are immediately accepted. My husband didn’t find this out until he was finally in and asking people what their process was like and he was absolutely shocked. My husband had construction experience and is extremely hardworking. I feel like this mindset is damaging for everyone. It makes the women and people of color feel as though they only got in because of their skin color or gender and not talent. My husband loves being in the union and if proud to be a sheet metal worker but I feel like these programs damaged my family by slowing down his chances of getting in and beginning his new career and better way of life.
When my husband was a first year apprentice electrician he told me about how management kept trying to get girls to come do tours of the jobsites and try to get them to join the trade... and not only did not a single woman even apply after all these efforts, my husband said that it was very clear during the tours how uninterested and even horrified the women were at the work and working conditions (digging trenches and climbing buildings in midsummer Texas heat isn't exactly fun or glamorous). Yet so much time and effort is being expended to try and get people interested in things they legitimately do not want to do or have any interest in. He did have 2 female coworkers out of probably 200 workers overall. They couldn't do half the work either because they weren't strong enough, and honestly the only thing the women were better at was the few instances when smaller hands made things easier, but it's not as if the men couldn't still get it done... yet the women are so sought after for statistics on a report despite actually being less capable.
@@mewster1818 My husband has also said this about the women that he has worked with. They legitimately cannot do the work because they do not have the upper body strength. He has only worked with a couple women that can do the labor without special treatment. What I mean by special treatment is that they usually will have them doing assembly work that is very repetitive and requires little physical labor. I agree though I just don’t understand why they put so much pressure on trying to get women to do a job they don’t want to do or incapable of doing. Especially when it is hurting a massive group of men that are willing and eager to do the work.
"because of their skin color or gender and not talent" - I'd use merit, experience not talent. Talent is perceived as something inherent, that you do not have to work for and it's clear your husband worked very hard. Let's not take it away from him or any other person. But such approach is, paradoxically, damaging for women especially. If they are admitted on the base of their sex there is no guarantee they will be good workers. And if they are not -voila, women will be labelled as unfit for the job because a few of them were admitted just because and did not perform to the industry standards. ;/
@@grooveyman I have no issue admitting I am weak as hell. Men are better at lifting which does not mean they should be exploited for this. But yes, I will never lift as much as a man and I am not even trying. On the intellectual front, though - we are not that different. Pure biological differences - the dimorphism is strong and needs to be accepted.
People who know their arguments (facts and figured) and are confident in their opinions don't get emotional when debating. PearlyThings and Sydney are cool as ice, everyone else emotionally irrational.
I couldn't help but notice how for Sydney and Pearl that they were asked to defend every detail of what they said, no matter how small. Whereas those opposing them can get away with broad strokes and vague "nothing-of-substances" buzz words and statements with little resistance from either side. Except in the sense of the few simple questions that they refused to answer.
The main thing from all this is that Sydney and Pearl are so calm and collected. They do not interrupt the others when they talk regardless of the total lack of respect presented towards them. Conversations should be two sides bringing points to the table and debating them calmly. When you start yelling over the "opponent" is where you show weakness and lack of substance from your arguments....
I was on a swim team for six years. It was the only sport that I really loved. I worked extremely hard so I could improve and get on a better team. But trans people were starting to be allowed into our spaces. I realized that no matter how hard I worked, I would never get to the Olympics or be on a college team, because they would always outdo me. I stopped doing swim team, and I'll never do it again because I am not going to put in the hours when I know I'll never get to my dream because selfish people need to feel comfortable The only women's right we need to fight for is the rights for biological women against trans women.
Where are all these trans women who "outdid" you now? I see none in the Olympics. Oh wait, there were two Olympic trans athlets since it's allowed, a weight lifter and a bow archer, no swimmer at all, but they both won NOTHING!
@@miriamlana833 Babes, I am talking about city competitions, where I was beat. and don't put outdid in air quotes, they did beat me because they were men swimming in a woman's race. Wren Pyle Pyle won the 2022 USA Skimo 2022 National Championship in the women’s U23 Sprint. Jamie Hunter The billiards player won her first major ranking event when they took the 2022 US Women’s Snooker Open title. Victoria Monaghan Monaghan won the New Zealand Open darts championship in 2022 JayCee Cooper Cooper won the women’s 2019 national championship for bench press in the super heavyweight division. Michelle Dumaresq Michelle Dumaresq won the 2003 Canadian National Championships in downhill mountain biking. Laurel Hubbard The Olympic weightlifter won two Oceania Championships and two Commonwealth Championships, amongst many gold medals Laurel won during their competition years, adding a World Masters Games title in 2017, when they won a silver in the World Championships. Veronica Ivy Ivy is a two-time masters world champion, notably winning the 2018 UCI World Masters Track Cycling Championships in thier age category. And I can list so much more. They may not be at the Olympic level yet, but they will.
@@PardonMyFrench16 shall I now mention every time when trans men won against cis men in sports, and no one blamed them for their "unnatural T levels" cis men can't reach naturally, like trans women are blamed for "male puberty"? But that was all in sports with weight classes. Maybe we should have length classes or whatever in the sports you prefer.
@@miriamlana833 Trans men don't win in competition if they do, its lucky, But I would like to see how many are winning and how often, because it's not very likely they are ALWAYS winning, like trans women are. There is no problem there because they are not unnaturally winning. Trans women still have higher levels of testosterone, and need I remind you men's bodies have more muscular mass and a bigger bone structure, there for trans women are stronger and bigger than biological women. They still have an unfair advantage. You can argue all you want but it is sexist and unfair to allow biological men to compete against women. Now, I am not saying have trans women compete against men, because even though they still have higher testosterone, it's not as much as a man after a few years on hormones. They can have their own teams and heat to make it fair. The whole reason we have women and men teams is because it is unfair for women to compete against men.
@@miriamlana833 Look, it's very simple. Men and women are different, right down to every cell in their body. It is more than just hormones, putting a biological man on feminizing hormones for any length of time will not change the physical advantages that men naturally have. More muscle mass, stronger bones, faster twitch muscles, more twitch muscle fibres, taller, heavier, generally more durable. This is what differentiates men from women in physical stature. That's simple biology. No matter how many drugs you take, when someone digs up your skeleton in 100 years they will know immediately if you were a man or a woman. If you're in denial of these biological realities then there's no helping you because the premise of any argument you make is not grounded in reality. If you're this wrong, fundamentally, about the world we live in then you're doomed to be ignorant. Trans men, aka women, winning against biological men in sports is relatively rare. I don't have a problem with it because the trans men are choosing to fight uphill from the start. If they win, its because they are an incredible physical specimen not because their biological makeup gives them a massive physical advantage. When men go into women's sports it's an unfair contest skewed towards the men entirely. It's insane.
I think that what is insanely frustrating here is that they make feminism divisive. Instead of focusing on the things or topics that bring women together, they focus so hard on the things that tear them apart. This is why modern activism is so gross. It’s not about uniting people and empowering everyone, it’s about dividing them and making them believe that they are either victims or perpetrators.
Yes! Exactly what I was thinking and you worded it perfectly. It makes me cringe. Did you watch the mens debate Amala reacted to the other day? That one was even more painful for me to watch
This was a breath of fresh air. Recently I've made a new youtube channel and just had to put "black woman" in my title for me to get the same amount of subscribers it took me 8 years to get on my first channel. And then, people complain that my content is too positive and doesn't properly reflect Black people's experiences in Japan because I don't show racism and being discriminated against. In other words, my content is too positive.😑 What is this world coming to?
its slave mentality by attention whores ,ignore them since they are so busy enslaving themselves that they are lost so long as they dont have the strength to stand on their own feet as their own person
1st world privilege to complain about non existent issues to feel special is a sight to behold. Cheers to them though, I just wish they apply that energy to help folks that really need the help.
Sydney did great. Unfortunately, I've watched a lot of Pearls stuff, and I wasn't impressed. She had it too easy with these women - all she had to do was spit a few well known talking points for everyone to applaud her. Put Pearl in a situation where she's actually challenged and she becomes just like these women she's 'destroying'. Sydney's answers were actually nuanced and well thought out, so to her I take my hat off. I wish more people would take the time to analyse Pearl rather than just assuming if she's anti feminism then it automatically follows that she must know what she's doing. This is a woman who believes only virgins deserve monogamy, because if you're not one, it means you 'cheated' on your FUTURE husband, yes, even though you didn't know he existed at the time. From all I've seen of Pearl and her show, she's incredibly juvenile and her takes are unintelligent, nonsensical rubbish and quite frankly, the only thing that saved her here was that it's not hard to look good against other irrational people when you have a list of other people's talking points to parrot on issues that you don't actually understand yourself - I'd like to see her debate an intelligent feminist like Louise Perry or Kellie Jay Keen - let's see how good she looks then! And yes, I am a conservative woman myself.
I actually think the host or the person directing the panel did a horrible job. She had no control of the situation and the fact that the brunette was allowed to cackle like a witch and wasn't told to stop because that's clearly insulting, dismissive, rude, unprofessional, unproductive and illogical, just goes to show you how this conversation was still biased.
My first real job as a teenager was in welding (I took welding in HS for 2 yrs). I worked construction building, remodeling, and repairing homes, later opening our own construction company. After that I went into Firefighting and ended with running my husbands trucking company. Not once did I ever have to prove myself any more than a man had to. I was 18 when I applied to a welding company that had 3 shops. The first shop didn’t hire me but the Forman of another shop swooped in while I was packing up my stuff and immediately hired me for his shop. His exact words were “I’d rather hire a woman, y’all make better welders. You’re more detail oriented.” That seems like a benefit of being a woman. In construction and welding the men constantly attempted to do the heavy lifting and “hard stuff” for me. I was not expected to do those things. Another benefit here. In firefighting the women had MUCH lower physical agility standards. This also appears to be a benefit. Luckily it didn't take long for the men to realize I could do the job the same as them. In trucking my husband stopped being the communication point for our drivers, brokers, shippers, receivers, and even repair shops. I was able to negotiate better rates with less hassle. It was easier and less painful for me to handle getting an earlier appt at shippers and receivers. Drivers overall responded better to me. For years I watched my husband handle those things. He was always polite and always cooperative, always more even tempered than I ever was. It wasn't until my female voice or face was there that things went smoother. THIS IS A BENEFIT OF BEING A WOMAN.
You have a really healthy mindset when interpreting men's reactions to your work. Many women in your position would be raving about how they were victims of prejudice because men didn't expect the same performance from them, like it was condescending. I'm not saying there aren't condescending men, ofc there are, but we don't have to assume they all are, especially because many are just trying to be attentive and not burthen women . I once was on a training session on building maintenance, and I got selected with another girl to go to plumbing. After that a man came to us praising our job, and saying how nice it is to see women doing that job too. Honestly, it felt bittersweet, because I wanted to already be past that phase, and for everyone to consider it normal and not necessary to point it out as a good improvement. But hey, we need to go through that phase, and his mindset was in the right place and he was kind 🤷🏻♀️
1:03:28 "Have you tried confidence?"... Has she tried confidence to walk? She should know that confidence doesn't play any role facing a wall of physical reality.
This is why I always say that your relationship with yourself is the most important one. That's what defines your relationship with everything and everyone else. Using everyone else's opinions and treatment of you as a way to avoid yourself is how you got most of the people on this panel. Where validation is the only thing they respect. Thankfully, people can change.
1:04 props to the woman in the beige sweater for standing up for Pearl. She indeed is a woman sharing her experience and opinion and she was harassed because it wasn’t in favor of trans women in biological women’s sports.
I'm a civil engineer. My daughter made all As in high school. I didn't. She scored higher than me on both parts of the SAT. She also graduated college with all As. I had to retake a few classes. She's currently doing a great job as a high school art teacher. She chose to be an art teacher. She would have been unhappy as an engineer even though she could have been one. I don't believe I could be an art teacher or at least a very good one.
Since when are we supposed to love working? That's why it's called WORK! Gosh, I wish someone had told me so I could have been a professional surfer, or golfer!
@@chitownbob9714 people sometimes rather have a job that kinda feels like a hobby that they are happy with regardless of pay. Some people work for pay like myself. I'm a very creative person and I love painting so if I wanted to could a artist but I'd rather work in a corporate field where I have to be professional and work with numbers for the high pay. It's about choices that people make career wise.
@@chitownbob9714 because if I'm gonna be spending well over half of my life doing it, I'd rather not be miserable the entire time. I'm sorry you value yourself and your wellbeing so little that you think it's okay for you to be spending that much time being unhappy. I hope one day you'll realize that you're worth more than that.
I think no matter what stance one holds on abortion it is irresponsible to celebrate it. As a person who is a pro-choicer mostly i still wouldn't want it to be glamorized and called empowering in any way it affects life be it in any form.
I wonder if the disabled woman was asked, "What additional barriers do you have versus a paraplegic man?" Or if the POC women were asked, "What additional barriers do you have versus a black man/Hispanic man?"
I love Sydney's and Pearl's points during the talk and how well they conducted themselves in spite of the psychos in the room. Especially the crazy laughter from the one; that just erupted out of nowhere lol. Imagine how much more interesting it would've been to have Amala on that panel too speaking truth with Sydney and Pearl!
The cackling one went into full projecting mode. She accused Sydney of living in a bubble and being mad that poc's are able to "have a voice". The thing is she's the one that lives in a bubble and only listens to people who believe the same things as her, wich is shown by her emotional reaction upon hearing different opinions, she's the one that wants others, specifically people who don't think the same, to be silenced and is the one who's mad that people who think differently are still allowed to speak their minds. And let's keep in mind that to her "being listened to" means being "believed and validated". She isn't for equal rights to speech, she's for censoring people who think differently than how she's been conditioned to "think". People like her, pro authoritarian mrxists, don't believe in Objective Morals and Individual Rights, they believe in having power over others and only viewing that as wrong when they're not the ones in power. The Fourth Age explains this mentality and it's origins on one of his last videos.
I want another panel where Brett and Amala get to join forces with Sydney and Pearl, and they just take over the world. Because that would be epic, not a single snowflake could survive.
@@LEAN-BEAN offended? No, we’re just speaking out against this insanity. We’re not the ones crying over pronouns or crying that kids can’t be mutilated.
@@whitney8678 you're like all these woke people. Out of touch with reality and the topics at hand. Your kind likes going on tangents when discussing anything but can't give any factual statements
I got the impression it was deliberate, not blindness. So "as a woman" was like a punchline, which it was too everyone who knew that woman was being ridiculous to make it about what she did.
I love how the comments are turned off for the original video 😂 I saw, in a comment from Sydney’s channel, that comments were initially allowed but they were almost all in favor of Sydney and Pearl and pointed out how insane a lot of the things that were said. If true, I’m not surprised, but also: nice one Vice. Shutting off the comment section on a debate video is the antithesis to the goal of the entire video lol Also…if life is so hard as a woman why don’t you just transition to being a man, or anything that isn’t a “woman.”
I watched the video the first day it came out, within the hour of it being released. The comments were most definitely split. I wouldn't say they went in one specific direction more than the other. However, they were getting ugly and most certainly not productive. I agree that shutting off comments on a debate video negates the core concept. Though, unfortunately, the comments weren't doing anything to provoke further, relevant debate. I can assure you that you didn't miss out on much.
@@mrm8171 I read the comments 2 days after it was posted and the comments were brutal. People were pointing out that the women couldn’t substantiate why they needed Feminism. There were some really funny jokes that are lost in the comments section.😢
I saw that too- THOUSANDS of reviews in favor of Pearl and Sydney in the original Vice post. Amazing. It appears that not only the Feminists on that panel- but Vice itself, are not only delusional but biased, as well.
I also love the fact that the woman who is advocating for the idea that women are oppressed is asking Pearl about if she cares about empowering Women when Pearl is the one saying that Women can do whatever they want in today’s society, Feminism is a corrupt ideology that is meant to hold women back.
Colorism is something that is mainly perpetrated by people within the same ethnic group,and let me tell you, black men make it no delusion on how colorist they are.
Hold up !! that woman sitting far right claiming Islam allows abortion apparently dismissed the part where it says " for medical reasons when either the baby or mother is at high risk" but to abort a healthy fetus for no reason is not allowed.. that woman knows zero about her faith
Yes and women in our culture (yes this religion also has our own culture as it's mostly Asian countries that are Muslim minus the few in Africa) don't find it something to brag about sleeping around and getting an abortion
Something that is often missing from the feminist conversations is the experience of mothers. I am from Canada where we have one year of parental leave paid by the government but I know in other countries there’s no parental leave or leaves that are very short periods of time. Mothers need to be better supported in taking care of their children especially single mothers, or parents who don’t have family nearby to help them. Also breast-feeding education in the west is abysmal, not only in terms of learning how to breast-feed, but also support around challenges that occur as breast-feeding continues over months, or years, and ways to wean your baby off of breast-feeding. Very little support exists for that and often mothers end up feeding their babies in ways that they wouldn’t have chosen had they had the correct support. Also, the pay gap issue comes into play here as women lose income and socioeconomic status when they become mothers. There is pressure to keep up a thriving career while raising children, and while some mothers may choose this route others may be forced, or want, to prioritize one over the other. There should be supports in place for them to be able to do that. I have no idea what the solution would be to this problem. There are probably several different solutions needed, only that it seems to be something that’s absent from feminist discussions in general
Parents get a CCB paid monthly up to $570 dollars per child paid to them by the government. I don’t have kids. Last time I checked the government wasn’t giving me any money every month. Stop acting like parents in Canada don’t receive generous financial assistance.
Say it louder for those in the back. This is a barrier. Yet all the panelist couldn't even come up with it. How about also adding in free hygiene products? Something women kinda fucking need? No? They couldn't bring that up either?
Pearl would tell you it's your fault for not marrying a rich man, and that if you really loved your children you wouldn't be working, or you wouldn't have had a divorce, or that you shouldn't have been a run through ho (which all single mothers are). I wish they had brought up some of those things, because that would have forced Pearl to expose herself and her beliefs that women shouldn't be outside the home anyway. I hate that people keep applauding this woman because it seems as if the assumption is that if it's anti feminist then it's automatically good. As a conservative woman, and not a feminist myself, Pearl is truly awful.
How is being a “disabled” woman have anything to do with feminism? Don’t disabled men share those same issues? How is being a “black”. Woman have anything to do with feminism? Don’t black men share those same issues?
As a woman, I negotiated to being paid $4 more an hour than their first offer. The way you go into it is important. Women are more agreeable than men and that has been studied. Women just work differently. As a woman, it is important to be both mindful of your worth and mindful of what you want out of life and hold to it. I don’t think that outside sources create barriers for women; we create barriers for ourselves in one way or another.
My mom is older, disabled, and overweight (not unlike the lady in the wheelchair in this video) and she accidentally wage negotiated herself to getting paid over a dollar an hour more at a new job. It's possible.
These people don't need feminism, they need therapy.
Nailed that one!
They need Jesus!
100%
Facts.. starting with their victim ideology
Sydney has been making content using radical feminist journalism all through out 2022 and then says
🙌 “I’m not even a feminist!!!”
The funniest part is that VICE turned comments off on the original video because everyone was supporting Pearl and Sydney. Cowardly move.
I was thinking when watching the original that Amala would have been a better pick than Pearl. Pearl says things that are true, but in general I feel like Pearl just regurgitate talking points.
Yes, that is a cowardly move, they are not seeking truth
@@brandonsnider5871 she's also condescending in general with people will automatically become defensive to and shut down and won't listen to you no matter what. She's not a good debater at all...Like for instance, when that woman said "well you're able-bodied, I'm in a wheelchair" she just says "I understand that but we're speaking about just women vs men " and they started going off in circles...she couldn't explain it in a way to get them to directly answer it...But Amala said it perfectly when she said "my response would be what barriers do you have that a disabled man doesnt?" There's really no way to circle around that response lol. It was a PERFECT point and response and I wish someone would have thought of that.
@@xMorganbrittnyx VICE didn’t choose amala because they know she would devour those feminists
@@xMorganbrittnyx I agree. She’s more or less using talking points that anyone who’s been a Conservative for a while, has heard over and over.
I’d rather listen to someone who teaches me something new.
You’re correct about the technique she uses to debate. She shuts ppl down and that goes no where.
What I also find funny is when Pearl was talking to Mindie (the disabled woman) about the lack of barriers, she was talking to her as if she didn't have a disability at all. In Pearl's eyes Mindie was just a woman, not a disabled woman. Which correct me if I'm wrong don't people just want to be seen as people now instead of throwing labels on things. It wasn't until Mindie then re-introduced her disability into the conversation that it became part of it. For a group of people who don't want to be identified solely on one characteristic, they seem to bring it up more than everyone else.
Awesome comment here. Pearl was actually being respectful but that women had to degrade herself by bringing up the fact that shes a cripple.
@@avivastudios2311 And then subsequently derail the conversation from the point Pearl was trying to make. I get that topics can mean varied things to different people, but when talking about such a broad concept, people need to focus on the unifying characteristic that brought them there to speak. Which is that (most) of them are women. But it seems we as a culture have turned to a very individualistic view and grouping people together based on common characteristics is seen as taboo unless that group happens to be white people.
@@noahjessup9342 and this is the cut version. They actually bickered for over 4 hours
At my last idiot job, people weren't even allowed to be referred to as "people" . They even took offense to that. In fact it was considered a form of "harassment" in the company's definition of harassment. To avoid this, people had to be referred to by their dumb job title. So if a disabled female person was a processor, they could only be referred to as a "processor"
@@avivastudios2311 In her video talking about it Sydney said she was "Hangry" at the end. F**k that, I would have been straight up furious, and hungry. I couldn't stand to listen to even a third of what Sydney and Pearl had to.
🤦🏽♀️I’m a black woman Marine Corps veteran in America and I am not (nor have I ever been) oppressed. You get what you EARN. 😒
Mad respect! Thank you for your service
Thank you for serving
You're a hero too!!!! Racism and sexism are natural so it will always exist in some form but thanks to people like you that are willing to die defending our precious constitution we all live in the best time in human history. By far!!!
Thank you for your service!❤🤍💙 🇺🇸
Love this! And everything that you're blessed with in this world you deserve 100%. I almost tear up when I hear members of the black community not treating me like my children and hopefully future grandchildren aren't born as an evil racist. Thank you so much. You're an amazing person.
I have a feeling they didn’t invite Amala because she would absolutely destroy them😂
Lmao fr they would have to either delete or heavily edit all the footage
They didn't because Amala is a woman of color and conservative. She would absolutely destroy everyone who would say I am opressed because I am black.
I’m yelling because I keep wishing Ámala was there! She keeps debunking the leftist women’s arguments.
The clip would only show Amala introducing herself and that's about it because she would have read everyone to filth! 😂
Ola where can I find Amala, would like to tune in to her content
51:53 The fact that when pearl said women want to sleep around and have no consequence of baby was cheered with a “hell yeah WE do” by the BIOLOGICAL MALE who CAN’T GET PREGNANT is a joke
And then one of them had the gall to say it isn't celebrated not 5min later
@@MrMetra101 The only way for these people to learn anything is to make them watch these videos back and then attach references for them to read which example at length why they are wrong. Then also show them the multitude of people who have suffered at the hands of terrible ideals.
Even then some of them will just hand wave it away. Most don't learn until something bad happens to them due to their own bad choices
And the woman with no legs that would probably have the roughest time raising a child, or taking care of herself during/after an abortion.
These are the same people who are fine with men being tricked into paying child support for children that aren't theirs, even when they never slept with the mother.
I bet these are the type of ppl who think it’s just alright to get pregnant and have an abortion… like no. Makes me sick tbh.
"Pretty privilege" WTF? A feminist in a discussion about feminism just dismissed a woman's accomplishments by saying it's because of her looks. That is what her 'pretty privilege' did.
just mad that shes pretty
Like it is someone’s fault they were born the way they were Born.make it make sense.
it’s like they don’t even know what feminism is
I hate that woman’s mindset! That was so rude and unnecessary to say that
@@ediephillipsthemobtownhust8596It's the parents' fault.
The fact that their are two MEN on this panel invalidates the seriousness of this debate for me. Especially when you have a transgender women say “hell yeah we do” to not wanting any consequences to sleeping around and getting pregnant…SIR, you cannot EVER get pregnant.
Proof of female privilege: Taylor’s mic was at half volume of Amala’s.
It’s okay Taylor. WE HEAR YOU.
wtf was happening there .. was that just not on the screen and the others heard him ok .. if not why didnt anyone tell him ??????
yes! and the whole show is always so low in volume
I kept having to turn up volume, turn down volume, turn up, down, up. By the end, I was resenting when Taylor spoke because he made me work to listen to him. This speaks volumes (pun intended) to how much harder life is for men.
Well, I usually like Taylor's voice, he's usually relaxing, so I'd prefer this over very high volume.
True I am the victim here
Their panel of women are so diverse, it even includes men.
Facts. Proved it’s diversity😁
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🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
But it's not inclusive of anyone who doesn't agree with their beliefs...
Diversity of skin color and gender, but never diversity of thought...
Side note: it’s crazy for a Trans person to say “You’re perfect the way you are” because if “she” believed that “she” wouldn’t have transitioned
That is the delusional world we now live in.
I think those words are coping mantra for them.
Great point. I’ll have to remember this.
That doesn’t have to do with anything this video is about and is incredibly transphobic for no reason… Like I do agree with some of her points but straight out insulting people isn’t right
@@KitKathi it does have something to do with the video she literally said those exact words that’s why it’s in quotes and it’s not “transphobic” nor did I insult her all I did was highlight the hypocrisy in her statement. If you can’t see that then idk you’re weird
As a woman, I’m getting really sick and tired of being told by these so called “feminists” how oppressed I am. No, I’m not. How is it empowering to constantly be whining about this supposed “patriarchy”? I have never once felt oppressed or “less than” because of a man.
It sounds like a personal issue of confidence for these people.
Without feminism and the choices that it did provide woman, You would then understand how oppressed you really could have been.
@@shans1986if it's already "what could have been" then it's not anymore, why are you complaining like it still exists?
100000%, ur so correct. my mother always told me to never be a victim, never put urself in a victim mindset, because if u do, you’ll act that way and feel bad for urself and never will be happy and will never appreciate what u have.
and right i’ve never felt less than a man either, my mom always taught me to respect everyone so idk where these feminists are getting all these crappy behaviors / beliefs from. did their parents not teach them these things?
@@shans1986yup that was the 50's feminism
Exactly! Same here, i was always disgusted since this all became more trendy and popular in society
I’m not even a fan of Pearl but the fact that no one could give a solid example to her barrier question…. Girl 🤦🏼♀️😂
I hate Pearl but even I was like damn they really refused to give an answer 😭
Because they have never faced a barrier
I will tell you when your parents decide to not let you study after 10th standard and force Fully marry you to some unknown man and spend the rest on your brothers education and life...go to many conservative communities mostly in third world countries in rural sectors you would find many more disparities.
Nope…I’m not giving her credit for being slightly more prepared but equally insufferable as a smooth brained feminist …
Any reasonable message coming out of her mouth is immediately disqualified because she’s a bully, and a hypocrite.
this argument is a variation on ‘whataboutisms*
Compared to a 3rd world country, all of our problems seem petty.
Part of the problem with our society’s mentality is the idea that struggle and victimization are a zero sum game with a winner and a loser
Why do u hate pearl?@@lesaubergines
isn't Eli the man that people are calling to put in prison bc he has been advocating for giving minors un-prescribed puberty blockers? Like trans people who no longer need them should ration and transition minors without parental consent? Yeah I trust this man to talk about women's issues
Yes.. that's that eli
@@de5072 I thought so. I actually just went and saw Sydney's video and she said she called him out on it during the interview. I wish they had kept that in lmao
Yes he one that was accused of mail drugs to kids. According to pearl Sydney call him on it and they cut it out.
He’s also a rapist, he should be in jail. Matt Walsh did a piece on him.
He's also an alleged r@pist who targets trans people of color. Blaire White has a video on all his dirty laundry. He's an absolutely foul individual.
It is so extremely annoying how Pearl keeps asking a simple question, "What barriers do women face today?" and literally none of the "women" on the panel could answer that question. Instead the women were constantly deflecting, throwing out random terms and etc. The fact that nobody on that panel can answer that question speaks volumes.
I mean.. I'm so used to that tactic that it doesn't surprise me anymore.
Aside from some people still not respecting women ( which is like racism or “world peace” in that it is never going to be 100% gone) I think women have succeeded in gaining equality, which feminists should be celebrating. Now women in other countries and cultures, we can say face many barriers.
it's more common that women have lower barriers....
I'll tell you why they can't answer. Because the real answer is that genetically male people tend to not always take genetically female people 100% seriously. Note, I said tend. But they can't admit that because it negates their intersectional feminist beliefs about gender.
Most of them were just stating their own struggles and not answering the question. It was so intolerable to watch.
1:08:04 that is one hell of a scary demonic cackle followed by pure seething rage. That woman is clearly unhinged. And good on Layla for backing Sydney up.
Everyone is talking about Sydney and Pearl but Layla was just as sane and rational as them.
That cackling hyena is NOT a woman. I'm convinced that's Satan.
You are absolutely correct here. That crazy woman is so rude and immature. I hate people who silence voices like that
Layla was making a point how people on her side of the argument aren’t respected or listened to enough, and the woman who cackled immediately proved her point 😂.
Jordan was also fairly respectable
Not to mention that she said she wasn’t experienced with western feminism. However, she was abrasive and indignant when she addressed the issues if she didn’t like the answers given by others.
“Only 9 out of 10 dentists approve my freaking toothpaste, and you expect me to believe that 100% of your experts think that trans women should be in women’s sports?”😂👌 a valid point!
I thought the logical question line was why not mens sports? are you being exclusionary saying that trans can but not non binary? Then why are men excluded from womens sports or why don't we make all sports gender neutral? Shouldn't a gender fluid person ONLY play against the gender they're presently identifying as? What about sexual harrassment, if they identify or are presently identifying as male, or as attracted to the victims gender, shouldn't trans be treated as and as such given the full recourse of the law, judgement and scrutiny as the standards that have been layed out for men? As a trans person are you able to biologically have children? No, then why the fuck are talking about pro choice? Do you think that you're against the idea of "pretty privilege" which exists subconsciously even between heterosexual same sex groups as an inherent social hierarchy (we're more likely to listen to people with attractive traits, probably part of why Amala has 818K subs) because no guy wants you, you'll never bear their children and no girl does either as your basically a simp who can't change a car tyre or make a fire? What did your Grandmother say/tell you about the great female oppression in her 50 year marriage of oppression of patriarchal tyranny and toxic masculinity? Oh, they never divorced? They're still together? wow, interesting...
I was looking for this comment lol
That was such a genius analogy haha
The 9 out of 10 is quite interesting actually. It’s more a general consensus when the researchers ask “what brands do you recommend?” And 9 out of ten will say Crest and Colgate etc. (Nothing to do with the trans stuff but I just like random little facts)
@@clipexexe6633 You're the type of person I would like to see at more parties. 🤜🤛
"There's a lot of pretty privilege in what you're saying-"
"You think I'm pretty? thank you" 😂😂
What a reversal!
Bro sometimes I’ll see a white woman that prettier than a black woman to me. But, somehow that’s a cultural taboo. Sometimes white dudes are taller than Mexican dudes. I don’t understand why that should make the collective insecure😂
@@the2ndcoming135 you have every right to find a white woman more beautiful than a black one.
@@Sonworshipper that’s not my point. But, of course I do😂
First chick proceeds to make it very clear SHE doesn't think Pearl is pretty, just that traditionally she'd be considered pretty. Talking about pretty privilege while trying to basically enforce you don't think someone's pretty is about the funniest, rudest thing ever.
As a woman from the middle east, i really hope Americans stop telling us we are oppressed without even living or knowing our lives.
Already know😌
Yes! I met a girl from Saudi Arabia when I was in college… eye opening how Americans project so much on others with pure ignorance.
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We are
@@FenrisWantsTheWorld to be fair that narrative gets perpetuated by rich White simps. Male and female especially💀
I applaud Sydney and Pearl for keeping themselves so calm and being able to just use their voices. I couldn’t take the attitude and disrespect it’d turn to physical violence real quick.
this is something I used to think myself, but I learned a long time ago. When you know you’re correct, there’s no need to raise your voice
I hope you get the mental health care you need to regulate your anger since responding to disrespect with violence isn’t mature or appropriate.
@@mxkaitlynlealmao just don’t provoke people to purposely get a reaction then freak out when you get a reaction and get decked, that’s p3ssy sh!t. Its immature to start sh!t and not finish it or to start anything at all really to provoke a negative reaction. Good for her for teaching people a lesson and not allowing no disrespect.
The person who gets their sh!t rocked over their disrespect will most surely think twice before they try some stupid sh!t like that again, nobody with a busted black eye and busted lip and broken nose is going to probably do anything to anybody after that. Sometimes you gotta teach people a lesson, they have to learn a lesson the hard way. F around and find out, you’re going to meet someone who doesn’t just bark. Don’t. start. things. you. can. not. finish
Acting like you’re superior won’t end well either for you lmao careful who you try that lil act on, again you might just meet a person who’s not all bark.
I'm a disabled woman. I was asked by a co-worker why I got a raise and she didn't. My answer... "I asked for a raise based on my good evaluation report"... "Did you ask for a raise?" She turned and walked away. Another one was... When I first started working for that company, I was told to slow down because I was making them look bad. That's all you need to know about this feminist nonsense.
The thing about making others look bad sometimes is valid though. Its about fitting in and working in a team and adapting to the teams dynamic.
Happens in work environment regardless the sex.
some people want to do well and work, if shes going beyond and working hard willingly then good for her. if her coworkers want to do the minimum or not go above their pay grade then good on them. both are fair. If someone is making the rest of the team look bad by taking on most of the work, then its not good team dynamic @@l.zwieble6819
I'll say it again, women demand respect and equality. How do we expect others do this when we can't even respect and treat each other that way?
There's a marked difference between demanding and commanding respect.
Well they happened to pick the most toxic people to go on this debate. Aside from pearl and syd. They had another feminist debate like this one a long time ago and it was very respectful. This one was just awful. It honestly shouldnt have even been aired. There wasnt anything of substance to come out of this debate.
Your right!
Respect has to be earned by the individual and I demand LEGAL EQUALITY for women right here, right now.
No more living in confusion, no more hoping. If you want to know for sure you're going to heaven when you die, just turn from your guilty conscience. Follow God to the best of your knowledge. So if anything makes your spirit uncomfortable stay away from it. But people shouldn't overthink their relationship with God, just focus on today. Not all Christians are on the same level but just don't plan or linger in what you learned is sin. The Holy Bible states that anyone can turn to Jesus, even people who sold their soul to the devil, like witches, psychics, sorcerers, satanists, people who participate in witchcraft. But your life here on this earth is the only time you have to make up your mind.
At this point, you have to believe Jesus was more than a messenger or a good person. He was sent by God to be Savior of the world and to die for our sins. He was crucified, buried, resurrected three days later, he walked the earth for forty days then ascended into heaven. There were eyewitnesses who recorded events that took place in his life and resurrection. Information concerning Jesus' life and crucifixion was passed down through written history and oral tradition. Ask Jesus to forgive you for every sin you have committed. It doesn't matter how you do it, but just tell him that you repent. You turn from your old wicked ways and turn to him. Tell God that you accept his son Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior...
For now on, don't plan or linger in what you learned is against the Bible. Use what you learned so far, and apply it to your life. Once you reach a certain age, your conscience tells you what's right and what's wrong. If you can't picture Jesus giving in/ or behaving a certain way, do not give in. Not every sin will be specifically listed in scripture but you will know it's sin when you feel the guilt. To give you a good understanding of what sin is, it's lying, profanity, extortion, threatening, anger, drinking, masturbation, dressing immodestly, seduction, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, dressing immodestly, unfaithful in relationships or marriage, trying to intentionally get high, child abuse/neglect, trying to publicly humiliate someone or put their sin on a stage, fighting, bullying, biased, prejudice, revenge, retaliation, intimidation, harassment, antagonizing, assault, violence, murder, pedophilia, racism, stealing, pornography, sorcery, abortion, encouragement/support for sin, hypocritical judgment and judging by appearance. You can also read Leviticus 20:1-17 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. God requires us to make righteous judgments such as; encouraging people to live righteously according to his commandments and standing up for what is morally right with empathy. And always keep in mind that any spiritual meditation is very dangerous if you're not focused on the spirit of Jesus. Sin can no longer be your intentions. The sin is the act, so when you have evil thoughts running through your mind. Cast it out, meditate on uprightness. But when you do end up sinning at some point, ask Jesus to forgive you. Jesus knows you can be in tough situations that involve sin but you have to come up with a plan. Don't get comfortable in sin and do your best to get out of it. You have to hate sin, continue to fight out of it. Jesus knows if you're really trying, he knows your intentions. He knows if you really hate sin.
Forgive others just as Jesus has forgiven you. Unforgiveness will make you vengeful and God doesn't want vengeance in your heart. God doesn't want you riled up over people you have no control over. Don't let people have control over your mind. Forgiveness does not mean you have to put up with people, of course you're going to have to keep your distance because you know what they're about. God just wants you to let go of this grudge, this retaliation, so you can have peace. When you forgive, you're taking a big weight off your shoulders. Forgive and move on with your life. God just wants you to have control over your mind and move on with your life because your anger and emotions can keep you from thinking clearly or making wise decisions.
Do your best to stay away from people who you know are intentionally sinning, you can help them but do not come into agreement or follow what they're doing. Do not deny Jesus, don't be ashamed. You might not have all the knowledge but at this point you have to be willing to stand up for him, don't back down. Continue to humble yourself to learn more about God and keep striving to do better, even through the trials and tribulations.
Baptism in water is very important, it is an outward declaration of the decision that we have made for Christ. It identifies us with Christ's death, burial and resurrection. But, person can go in the water a dry devil and come out a wet devil. If a person truly receives Jesus in his heart and drops dead before the baptismal service, without a doubt, heaven will be his eternal home. The thief on the cross can attest to that. The only unforgivable sin is never receiving Jesus as savior and Lord. When the bible speaks of blaspheming against the holy spirit, it is in reference to the prideful pharisees who were attributing the works of Jesus to the devil and trying to entrap the lord. It is widely believed and I take this stand also that Jesus knowing the condition of the hearts of those particular men, was referencing them and not all men. These verses of scripture must be kept in proper context. Do not isolate the scriptures, but read the scriptures before and after, know the setting of the verses and know who the author is talking to. Before a man comes to Christ, he is capable of doing anything. To suggest that a person can commit a sin that God is not willing to forgive him for undermines the entire gospel message. Jesus came to save a lost and dying world. God has so much love and compassion for you but he can't accept you until you accept him. So when God judges you, he is not choosing whether you go to heaven or hell because you already made it to heaven based on your conscience decision to follow him. God will judge you based on your works you did on this earth to determine what rewards you will get in heaven. God knows you can do this, your emotions will have you thinking that it's harder than what it really is. He will forgive anyone for anything but they have to truly regret it and want to be forgiven. I know it might feel like God is overreacting but if you just take a look back at all the evil things you did in your life you'll realize how wonderful God is to make a way for you..
That chick laughing at what Sydney was saying was ridiculous. Not only did she prove her point but also showed ignorance.
I'm Australian, so much of our social standard and what our youth are formed by comes from American media amd celebrities. We have every right to have a say in what affects women in America when that is what will then influence the young women here in Australia.
That laugh proved just how unhinged that woman is. 😬
America effects most of the world. Its kinda sad.
She’s should’ve been asked to leave for being disrespectful as rude
I came from a country that America colonised and moved to Australia but I was shocked how much Australia is so aligned to America more so than a country which they colonised. Often I think Australians go too far with it where it feels try hard and cringe.
But I agree anyone can talk about feminism but at the same time I hope Australia doesn't become Murica 2.0 and hopefully has its own identity rather than just being a follower
I have a friend who has been a hiring manager for a company for 10 years and she has mentioned how nearly every man they hire comes back to negotiate a higher salary whereas woman generally don’t. Both she and my husband were encouraging me to negotiate a higher pay rate when I was in a hiring process a couple years ago and I absolutely didn’t want to because of how awkward I felt. I went ahead and did it anyway and sure enough, my higher rate was accepted. I feel most women think the way I do and just want to avoid any general awkwardness so they go ahead and accept the first offer. So no, this big pay gap conspiracy isn’t a discrimination issue… it’s simply an issue of men generally feeling more comfortable asking for what they want as opposed to women. I hope it changes and more and more women start to do the same.
Mm interesting story. I wonder if there is a reason behind not asking other than just confidence though. 🤔
Yeah, no thank you. That isn't in my character, and I don't care if it isn't.
Still, to this day, not ONE barrier was mentioned. Pearl's question never got answered 😂 watching this debate was simply infuriating
"Name one barrier"
"I'm disabled"
"As a woman"
"As a woman or as a black woman?"
"As a woman"
"This question is so silly"
"Hey, why are you being so hostile to her? She is a woman trying to..."
"AH KYA KYA KYA KYA KYA!"
😅
She literally answered her own question when she talked about sports but okay.
@@thatgirlreacts5465
It’s completely different. It’s weird for men(transwomen) to be eligible for women’s sports. When transwomen are eligible to enter women’s sports then they’re gonna be chosen to compete which takes opportunity from women who want to compete in sports. If only women were eligible to get into women’s sports it would give them more chances.
If only men were getting into men’s sports and women were getting into women sports then it would be considered equal.
Plus just cause it’s hard to get into sports doesn’t make it a barrier.
Idk how you can’t wrap your small mind around that but whatever.
@@literloep I wasn’t talking about transwomen. Idk why you went off on that. Then you ended it saying that I’m not ‘able to wrap my small mind around that’ and I just couldn’t help but chuckle. I never even said anything about any of what you said. You are literally arguing with your own phone. Lmao
@@thatgirlreacts5465girl what-
Pearl and Sydney owned this panel. Almost everyone else's on the panel were either super irritating or cringe.
No more living in confusion, no more hoping. If you want to know for sure you're going to heaven when you die, just turn from your guilty conscience. Follow God to the best of your knowledge. So if anything makes your spirit uncomfortable stay away from it. But people shouldn't overthink their relationship with God, just focus on today. Not all Christians are on the same level but just don't plan or linger in what you learned is sin. The Holy Bible states that anyone can turn to Jesus, even people who sold their soul to the devil, like witches, psychics, sorcerers, satanists, people who participate in witchcraft. But your life here on this earth is the only time you have to make up your mind.
At this point, you have to believe Jesus was more than a messenger or a good person. He was sent by God to be Savior of the world and to die for our sins. He was crucified, buried, resurrected three days later, he walked the earth for forty days then ascended into heaven. There were eyewitnesses who recorded events that took place in his life and resurrection. Information concerning Jesus' life and crucifixion was passed down through written history and oral tradition. Ask Jesus to forgive you for every sin you have committed. It doesn't matter how you do it, but just tell him that you repent. You turn from your old wicked ways and turn to him. Tell God that you accept his son Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior...
For now on, don't plan or linger in what you learned is against the Bible. Use what you learned so far, and apply it to your life. Once you reach a certain age, your conscience tells you what's right and what's wrong. If you can't picture Jesus giving in/ or behaving a certain way, do not give in. Not every sin will be specifically listed in scripture but you will know it's sin when you feel the guilt. To give you a good understanding of what sin is, it's lying, profanity, extortion, threatening, anger, drinking, masturbation, dressing immodestly, seduction, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, dressing immodestly, unfaithful in relationships or marriage, trying to intentionally get high, child abuse/neglect, trying to publicly humiliate someone or put their sin on a stage, fighting, bullying, biased, prejudice, revenge, retaliation, intimidation, harassment, antagonizing, assault, violence, murder, pedophilia, racism, stealing, pornography, sorcery, abortion, encouragement/support for sin, hypocritical judgment and judging by appearance. You can also read Leviticus 20:1-17 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. God requires us to make righteous judgments such as; encouraging people to live righteously according to his commandments and standing up for what is morally right with empathy. And always keep in mind that any spiritual meditation is very dangerous if you're not focused on the spirit of Jesus. Sin can no longer be your intentions. The sin is the act, so when you have evil thoughts running through your mind. Cast it out, meditate on uprightness. But when you do end up sinning at some point, ask Jesus to forgive you. Jesus knows you can be in tough situations that involve sin but you have to come up with a plan. Don't get comfortable in sin and do your best to get out of it. You have to hate sin, continue to fight out of it. Jesus knows if you're really trying, he knows your intentions. He knows if you really hate sin.
Forgive others just as Jesus has forgiven you. Unforgiveness will make you vengeful and God doesn't want vengeance in your heart. God doesn't want you riled up over people you have no control over. Don't let people have control over your mind. Forgiveness does not mean you have to put up with people, of course you're going to have to keep your distance because you know what they're about. God just wants you to let go of this grudge, this retaliation, so you can have peace. When you forgive, you're taking a big weight off your shoulders. Forgive and move on with your life. God just wants you to have control over your mind and move on with your life because your anger and emotions can keep you from thinking clearly or making wise decisions.
Do your best to stay away from people who you know are intentionally sinning, you can help them but do not come into agreement or follow what they're doing. Do not deny Jesus, don't be ashamed. You might not have all the knowledge but at this point you have to be willing to stand up for him, don't back down. Continue to humble yourself to learn more about God and keep striving to do better, even through the trials and tribulations.
Baptism in water is very important, it is an outward declaration of the decision that we have made for Christ. It identifies us with Christ's death, burial and resurrection. But, person can go in the water a dry devil and come out a wet devil. If a person truly receives Jesus in his heart and drops dead before the baptismal service, without a doubt, heaven will be his eternal home. The thief on the cross can attest to that. The only unforgivable sin is never receiving Jesus as savior and Lord. When the bible speaks of blaspheming against the holy spirit, it is in reference to the prideful pharisees who were attributing the works of Jesus to the devil and trying to entrap the lord. It is widely believed and I take this stand also that Jesus knowing the condition of the hearts of those particular men, was referencing them and not all men. These verses of scripture must be kept in proper context. Do not isolate the scriptures, but read the scriptures before and after, know the setting of the verses and know who the author is talking to. Before a man comes to Christ, he is capable of doing anything. To suggest that a person can commit a sin that God is not willing to forgive him for undermines the entire gospel message. Jesus came to save a lost and dying world. God has so much love and compassion for you but he can't accept you until you accept him. So when God judges you, he is not choosing whether you go to heaven or hell because you already made it to heaven based on your conscience decision to follow him. God will judge you based on your works you did on this earth to determine what rewards you will get in heaven. God knows you can do this, your emotions will have you thinking that it's harder than what it really is. He will forgive anyone for anything but they have to truly regret it and want to be forgiven. I know it might feel like God is overreacting but if you just take a look back at all the evil things you did in your life you'll realize how wonderful God is to make a way for you..
espacially the girl with a bunch of medals on her dress
I love these two ladies.
I thought Layla made sense on this panel.
Vice disabled the comments and you know it’s because people were backing them and dunking on everyone else.
Amala should have been on this panel.
They need more schooling
She can be in part 2, if she was there then the feminist women wouldn't talk at all.
Schooling may be the issue here because many of the colleges here in America push liberal agendas and many times indoctrinate these young people into believing the liberal ideologies. These people need to take the emotion out of their view of reality and use critical thinking when cultivating their views. I know when 911 happened people became very hateful towards people from the Middle East. I lived in NY at the time and the people I met from the Middle East were lovely people. So that is how I viewed them instead of listening to the hateful narrative the media and society at the time was pushing.
I agree with you, but they are so convinced they are victims of something, they won’t listen. They cannot even answer a simple question without deflection
Yes with the same people too! I hope those women see this video and see how ridiculous they sound.
No because that would be too much logic in a VICE video
Being disabled sets you back as a person , not a women specifically
You know what's empowering? Acting like an adult, considering the possible consequences of your actions, taking responsibility for your choices, and accepting the outcome even if unpleasant, and that goes for both women and men.
I love the woman who starts every sentence with "as a black latina woman" explains so much about our culture and its obsession with race because for a lot of people like this woman all they think about constantly is race and their racial identity. I never think about anything that about myself or anyone else. Myself and other people are just fellow human beings plain and simple. Like Morgan Freeman said stop taking about it!!!
LMAOOOOO
I think I’m gonna start off saying “As a CheeseHead” before everything so they know some Midwestern stuff is about to follow.
My counter is to say I'm sorry you are poor uneducated and can't find a job. Then they usually start bragging about thier education job and very good lifestyle . Then I ask so you are oppressed ? Perhaps you are dictionary challenged.
For real. Also, the term "people of color" that everyone labels themselves is so self-degrading as if white people are the default people everyone else is a subcategory of humans, like wtf. And constantly referring yourself as a "minority" really has a bad effect on your psyche.
And saying "listen" like she has something worth saying
I’m sorry but pretty privilege is a thing, YES, but so is humour then? Confidence? Having a nice voice? We all are born with a set of cards. It’s our job to cultivate things we can cultivate and value what we have and put it all forward for others to see.
Underrated comment.
Ya that's so true different things are so many different privileges ...being born into a wealthy with connection and influence, beauty privilege in my opinion is the weakest if not backed by some other privilege ..like if you wanna make your name in glamour industry then there everyone has beauty privilege😂 you need something else too.
Even intelligence too if you are 160 iq but was born into low income family in war ridden country , chances are more that you wasted all your potential
Why are some so intelligent and some people with learning disability
You are absolutely correct you all are given set of cards ..you just need to tactfully use it
What about that prostitute who is fuckin pretty but pushed forcibly to this industry by family and pimps .
Well that's not feminism.
Agreed but each person's perception of "pretty" is different.
Health=beauty
Health is a choice.
Mindie is angry at the world because she is disabled. That has nothing to do with feminism at all. 90% of this panel seems to be confused about what feminism is. This just annoyed me and I'm not a woman
To me the fact that Eli and another biological man is included in the discussion about feminism is ridiculous to me. I don't understand what feminist are fighting for now. We wanted to vote, our own sports division, equal pay, to be able to work in any profession, to go to any college and to decide if we want to marry or have children what right is it that they think we don't have that men do. Women actually have more rights in divorce and child custody even if they are horrible mothers. If they think women's rights are so bad here in the US, they should go to another country like Iran. I got so tired of the victim mentality of these people. The abortion debate as a woman that had to have one 19 years ago is a very touchy subject for me. I don't think that the subject of abortion would have gotten so out of hand if women weren't using it as birth control. I do agree there are circumstances that warrant a legal abortion but not just because someone didn't use protection. I had to have an abortion because of medical issues that would have complicated my life and the pregnancy so I didn't have a choice.
I agree with you on all accounts. I have one thing to add though. Women aren’t allowed to go topless at pools and on the beach. We have been socially conditioned to believe breast are sex objects but they are not sex organs. A woman with a double mastectomy can still get pregnant. Breasts are for babies. And yes, we use them in sex, but we use hands too, and no one has to run around wearing gloves all the time. I think it should be the same rules for all. Cover up the sex organs and let people decide what they want to do with the rest
@@shea5542 I don't think you are educated enough to be voicing an opinion on that particular subject. The female chest and male chest are not even remotely comparable and there's a reason breasts are viewed as a part of a woman's private anatomy due to the sexual nature of them.
Men (and a substantial portion of women) are biologically wired to view them sexually. There's another part of the body that's viewed as part of a humans private anatomy due to the sexual relation it has that we don't allow to be completely exposed, either. Wanna guess what that is?
Did you guess your ass?
@@shea5542 that depends on what state you live in. Some states public nudity is allowed as long as its not sexual.
I don't know your situation, but I do know that there is always a choice. I know women that have been told it would threaten their life, but still chose to have their child. I just don't believe that your situation or similar ones should be used to justify abortion.
@@shea5542 maybe because it turns some men and lesbian/bisexual women on sexually, and that's unwanted.
did the trans say... "the regulation over OUR bodies?" Is he/she talking about abortion? Amala is right, this is a clown ass world!!!!
bro u seem so uneducated saying “the trans” 💀
@@hammyrehfuss8938 one phrase (that offends you) and I'm uneducated? if you say so! :)
@@matty4390 you might have a point there
@@matty4390unless she had to go out of the country so she could have the surgery, then I don't think so.
Why didn't Amala get invited to this? Because of the statement she would impose on the message they wanted to portray. They picked Pearl and Sydney because of the color of their skin would undermined what they wanted to say to people who believe delusion. It was orchestrated. Amala would have been wonderful for the panel not that Dude looking person next to pearl.
They did invite Lauren Chen b but she had to decline due to their covid policy.
This is spot on
Exactly ! They carefully selected the panel in such a way that they believed will bring Sydney and pearl in disadvantage but even that wasn’t enough and they got destroyed ,now if they would get Amala or another woman of colour that isn’t a feminist in that panel the victimhood excuse wouldn’t fly so they created a panel in favour of he narrative but again it wasn’t enough and they got their asses kicked.
Heck, if they want trans women, where's Blair? Blair is probably one of the most popular trans woman one social media but we get a drug peddler and whoever Jordan is. Probably because Blair wouldn't agree with the trans narrative
This was so infuriating to watch 😂 I am a woman and I have not faced barriers that weren’t because of my own decisions. I grew up in a city that is always top 3 most violent cities, I dropped out of high school, I had a child young and I still was able to go to school and pursue becoming a pharmacist and will make 6 figures… No barrier I faced was from being a woman… just my own decisions.
I work in a very typical mans trade. I have way less strength then most of my colleagues. It can be a "barrier" sometimes of course but no barrier that feminism would solve. I gotta find ways around it.
I would like to believe you conquered the barrier and not feminism
Kamala Harris grew up in Oakland CA, one of the poorest cities in the USA. She is black and South Asian, look at her. Look at our Supreme Court. Yes, people face challenges in life, but, you can get through them with hard work.
@ericlindstrom8932. and sociology wants to try and say that the american dream was always a lie to keep white men in power
As a woman a sexual predator especially someone who is predatory towards children DOES. NOT. REPRESENT. ME. This seems like it’s a game of who’s the bigger victim with the except of Sydney, Pearl and Layla. Those women are the only ones who are actually trying to have an intellectual conversation. It’s extremely rude for chuckles the clown to start laughing while Sydney is just trying to ask everyone to be less aggressive and respect Pearl.
Sydney said on her channel that that they cut our the part where she addressed Eli as someone who peddles illegal substances to children. Apparently after the show, they asked her why she said that, and she had to tell them to research the guests they invite on their show a bit better 😅
I think Jordan also tried to be open to different opinions without wavering on their own beliefs. Granted yes they're all human and prone to subjectivity and internal biases but Jordan also showed a level of maturity in this. Especially when they acknowledged not having enough knowledge in the sports conversation.
TOTALLY, finally, omg, I was so sad that nobody pointed this out already, it is so obvious :c
A sexual predator, that when Pearl asked about abortion, goes up and says, 'Hell yeah we do', what kind of consequence would that person have, they are speaking about pregnancy...
@@EFX5452 omgggg!!!! I WISH THEY LEFT THAT IN!!!
You notice how the feminists start nodding as soon as the word Black, Disabled, Trans, or Indigenous come out, regardless of what's said?
Those are the correct words. Not like the lame words: men, personal responsibility, straight and white.
Fr the lady in the wheelchair just constantly kept nodding anytime the black women or trans women spoke
It's basically Pavlov's dog they have been trained too salivate at certain buzzwords.
@@andrewhood8952 🐐
I learned about the whole "women don't ask for raises." So at my last job, I asked for a higher amount to start with. They agreed. They had to classify me as a different department (though I was still doing the job I interviewed for). The reason I was labeled as a different department was because the job I was doing didn't pay that high, but the department label I got did. Therefore, yes, I was getting paid more than everyone else in my department because I simply asked.
I have also seen this firsthand. When I was working in retail, I was getting paid more than my female coworker for the same job. She had been with the company for 13 years, I had only been there 2 years, but she never fought for more pay. Whenever the company would add more to my job description, i was negotiating my pay. Most of the jobs I've worked have been predominantly with women, and most of them would complain about their income but they would never ask for more money.
I always thought that if the gender pay gap really existed, companies in capitalism would be hiring women first because they get the same work for less money. It's just not logic to think women get paid less for the same work AND have more disadvantages when it comes to getting hired.
Well done to you for taking that information on board and being proactive. You should be proud.
@@jeana7081 Yeah, women get pregnant, they often leave the job permanently and hiring process costs. So in the long run, it's more economical to hire a man, for a bit more and have a worker for years, than having to look for another in two years, at most.
Job market loves men with children, but does not like women with children :D
@@marikothecheetah9342 that's true. But if the pay gap was real companies would be paying >20% less to women which is not a just bit. But yeah, I absolutely agree that it's not as simple as I statet earlier 😅
I think the beauty standard thing is the most infuriating. If you choose to look presentable, stay clean, eat healthy and have a nice personality. Most people will think that you’re relatively attractive. these people saying that they’re not getting anywhere in life because they aren’t traditionally beautiful is stupid. it’s always these people with the ugliest personalities that look the ugliest on the outside.
😂if they are going for modelling industry or film and trying to badge the eye candy actress yes then it would be difficult but not anywhere else ...they are just failure Trying to justify their failed life
Their deliberate “ugliness” is actually a political statement - the rejection of accepted beauty standards. It’s an immediately-recognizable aesthetic.
As a biological woman, in the workplaces I have been in, the promotions and raises I got almost 100% of the time happened because I asked for them, and proved over and over again that I deserved them. For example, if you show interest in wanting to be a manager and that you're capable of it they are going to pick you over someone who slacks off or doesn't want to that position. So don't complain about not being paid enough if you have never even tried to get that better pay.
As an ingenious woman COVERED in tattoos raised in poverty I can say I made it out. I made it out because I had an amazing work ethic and I Always strived for more. When I asked for a raise I got one once I proved myself and it's usually immediately. One time I got offered a higher position without me even asking which was nice because it showed how hard I worked compared to my other coworkers . People saying woman don't have equal opportunity is completely false because I had the same opportunity as a man in the corporate workforce and strived omang the rest because I applied myself.
Thank you I’m a 22 year old mom, I’m an indigenous woman who was raised by my grandmother, and had a ton of childhood trauma 😅 but I’ve been at my job for almost 3 years and I’ve have 2 promotions and a 4 raises in the time I’ve been there, even above employees who had been employed longer or were older than me. Because I put in the work and asked to receive what I deserved for the work I was doing 🤷🏼♀️
By all accounts I should not have been able to do any of this according to these women and I find it insulting frankly.
I'm actually glad you managed that. Did you face any belittling just because you were a woman though?
@@theshermantanker7043 The only belittling I've gotten was from other women, now that I think about it. Not sure why tho. No man I've ever worked with has acted negative towards me that I am aware of.
That's What One Of The Ladies Was Trying To Say. If You Don't Have The Mindset To Better Yourself Your Not Going To Better Yourself, Your Going To Be Stuck In A Rut If You Don't Have The Drive To Make That Leap. I'm Happy For Y'all That Y'all Don't Fall Into That "Victim Mentality" I'm Happy To Share The World With You And Wish Nothing But Success In Your Future Endeavors 🖖🏼🖖🏼🖖🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Why are men allowed to cosplay women and join the panel?
That would be like me saying I’m a doctor, having zero clinical experience, and then throwing on a white coat and heading to a medical conference AND THEN being chosen as a panel member on medical issues just because I said I decided last week I was a doctor and decided I knew everything about medicine.
What is this insanity???
And THEN, I got mad at the other doctors for saying I wasn’t a real doctor and tried to get them fired from their jobs because they didn’t believe I was a true medical expert with the same experiences as them.
Simple answer, Vice as the host doesn't categorize trans women as men like you do, and you have no categorizing supremacy over Vice. So your whole doctor comparison is odd. And please don't come now with nature and biology, nature and biology don't categorize anything, only humans do.
"You're perfect the way you are" said the dude in a dress...
Very good point *Dr.* Shea! 😆🫠
There are legitimately transgender people. Like blaire white, look her up think you’d probably like her content. However, when you look at the statistics and all the non-binary/gender queer insanity it’s clear that most in this movement just need therapy, an outlet to express themselves, a support system that is not indoctrinated and probably mental health treatment. These people want to have an identity they can define and for there to be s clear cut answer to what is wrong with them. Usually mental illness. I get it , it’s insane but nowadays finding sn escape and an answer to why you’re messed up is transitioning or being non binary, so is substance abuse, eating disorders, etc.
As a black woman myself, it's really frustrating when Black women don't feel beautiful. When I tell you I didn't know about colorism or Black women not being the ideal beauty standards until I was in my early 20s, I was truly shocked. I never felt I wasn't attractive bcus I was black and trust me. I had self-confidence issues. But it wasn't because I was black. My mother always told me I was beautiful, not "beautiful black girl", just beautiful. Not one single guy talked to me from elementary to h.s, but I never thought it was because I was black. I never felt ugly or lesser than because of my skin. Why, because the black girls that I was friends with were getting dates! Colorism was not in my household. And we are not at ALL light skinned. Plus, I don't understand how we're not seen as beautiful when there's a black woman on the arm of damn near every race of man lol?!? I don't accept beauty standards, especially today. I've never worn makeup, Ipreferr jeans and a t-shirt than the main woman fit. Just be happy and stop caring who people think you should look like. I have NEVER in my life been jealous of a white woman, not ever. Smh, self-love is important.
That’s right! Self-love is the most important thing you can have ❤ that’s where all goodness starts.
You 're right. Lack of self-esteem is a personal issue not a rule written in stone. I know several beautiful people (both male and females) convinced they are ugly.
She said she raised convinced that "black" equals "ugly" in the same period where Naomi Campbell was the most beautiful, famous and desirable woman on earth, where 5 out of 6 most viewed shows were black families sitcoms and i can't recall one woman in there not being beautiful. Those are not things that make you think beauty can't pair with black skin.
She deffo had personal issues, but i guess it's easier to blame others for your problems..
based
That's what leftists lack. Self love
Amala or Patience Xina (black women critical of wokism) are among the most beautiful people on TH-cam...
I couldn't watch this debate without your commentary - It's just very comforting
I feel like her thoughts help reign me in from being like crazy mad. She's so grounded.
These leftists couldn't even name one barrier. Pearl exposed them easily Jesse lee peterson style.
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies.
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To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, socialism, multiculturalism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
Those are feminists
That's usually the case with most on the left. They don't use logic, data, critical thinking, facts or objective truth. That is why I left the left. I want truth above all else. I slowly realized what they believed was based on emotion, delusions and hate. So sad.
BETA FEMS
The same Jesse Lee who hated on gays and was outed as a gay man himself?
The fact that they have MEN speaking in what's supposed to be a all WOMEN panel, lets you know everything you need to know.
men where exactly? don’t be stupid you transphobe
@@neodesousa Look Sir! I’m glad you feel that’s it’s ok to use your male privilege to call a woman stupid for not sharing your delusion. You know where the men are on this panel and I’m not explaining biology to someone that chooses to ignore it.
Trans women are women cry about it
@@omgthisismeomgthisisme actually trans woman are men in women face but ok.
You know, this is interesting. Most recent waves of feminism were always going around stating that it's a movement/ideology that "fights for the rights of everyone".
Premising that I agree with Pearl and Sidney, i want to specify one thing: if some movement is about everyone, you cannot take away an entire half of the equation in debates because you need their perspective to achieve a fair result. And that's why I think (personal opinion here) feminism should pretty much include everyone, the only one thing done right in this completely useless and time-wasting panel to me is that there were at least 2 biological men (and it's not even enough for their purpose). If feminist debates cannot have any man participating, then feminism is absolutely not fighting for everyone (which I think it is exactly the case nowadays, but then be honest and say it clearly XD). Sorry if I made some language mistakes, i don't have much occasions to practice it, i hope i did express clearly my point XD.
even if pearl said “okay sure as a woman of color, what barriers do you face?” They still wouldn’t have an answer
That question was answered several times. Having the right to bodily autonomy, the Me Too movement issues like sexual harassment, assault, all the issues they brought up disproportionately harms women.Those were ALL barriers.
@@Kokospiro Those aren’t barriers.
@@joyfulrealtor not having the right to bodily autonomy is a barrier that women face.
It's SIGN. Need to be right, by changing the goalpost (argument)!
@@joyfulrealtor I also want to point out why that girl was laughing so hard at Sydney. She wanted everyone to have empathy for Pearl sharing her experience and yet when someone would share their experience of facing hardships, they both would deny that it exists. I’m telling you that not having autonomy over our bodies is a barrier and you are telling me no, it’s not. Thats exactly what Sydney was mad about but that’s exactly what she and you are doing too. You asked and I answered. My answer isn’t up for debate. You are acting like no one has an answer but that’s not the problem. The problem is that you think our answers need your approval.
This woman in the wheelchair literally lays out how she felt this pressure to be beautiful and maintain her beauty because people would tell her she was "beautiful for a disabled person".
And she told herself "just don't get fat"
Yeah shes bitter as hell
Amala is a fine female role model. I hope her voice doesn't get suppressed or canceled. people with such an outgoing, positive message tend to get silenced nowadays
If she did, omg how lucky her friends are to have her. SO lucky.
I'm not a conservative or anti-feminist, but reaching beyond my beliefs and truly listening made me understand that many of the things I held as absolute truths are not true at ALL. The way anti-feminist/conservative view femininity itself does not entirely resonate with me because I believe that there is more than one way to present femininity other than the traditional way, but nowadays, there's not much else that separate my thoughts from theirs.
I am truly grateful, Amala, for the daily work you put into sharing your beliefs here. You made me change so much from a narrow minded person to someone willing to listen, debate and CHANGE MY MIND when I see I'm wrong.
Thank you!
Same here!
I wish people seek growth like you did! ❤
Horray!!
I honestly wish that people can respect one another without bashing each other too. I also dont like when people try to use religion as if its fact when its a belief.
Thank you for being willing to listen. I think most of us on the right or in the middle just want to talk about things instead of accepting things at face value. It's always so so nice to find people on/from the left who are willing to discuss. Especially those willing to put their feelings aside and seek truth and logical arguments. I think so many of the good things we have in life come about because we are willing to discuss the pros and cons and not just what is better but what might be best. Best wishes.
Why? Why do they let men participate in these cluck fests? Sydney and Pearl were the only sane humans in the room.
Hear hear.
And Layla. People keep talking about Pearl and Sydney. Layla made sense. However a lot of what she said was cut out.
@@Sammy2g3 yeah I wanted to hear more from her.
Even the pro gun one? She was basically calling feminism racist and shaking her head at all of them. She was the only one who tried to answer Pearl's question, and said to the Hyena "What does that (religion) have to do with it. People think Pearl and Sydney were the only anti feminist ones, but they tend to split these 50/50 with maybe some folks in the middle.
Because they see trans women not as men like you but as women, that simple.
When they were talking about how beauty standards negatively affected them my thought the entire time was "have you tried confidence?" 😂
I kept thinking, "They are way prettier than I am, especially the black girls." So, no. Beauty standards are not racist. Plenty of other white girls feel as ugly as me. Plenty of black girls are gorgeous and beautiful.
I love how the one lady just REFUSED to say Pearl was pretty 🙄
You wanted her to lie and say she’s pretty?
@@UltraMella no, not at all. And that’s not even the point. She didn’t have to say what she said. She was just smiling, and it was implying it was all a joke, in good fun. As in, we are still all human and women, even if we are on different sides, and we can joke. But because she has views that lady doesn’t like, and she’s known for them, that lady couldn’t even jokingly make it seem like she was complimenting her or getting along with her. She couldn’t let that slide.
@@SuperMelrose1 the same way you say she didn’t have to say what she said is the same way she didn’t have to compliment her. Pearl was being honest about how she feels and that other woman was being honest too about how she feels about Pearls looks. Stop being salty. If you think Pearl is beautiful go tell her and stop expecting other women to validate her. You do it
Well maybe she doesn't think pearl is pretty, I dont think pearl is pretty either but we all have different views
@@UltraMella I think you missed the point. She implied that Pearl had "pretty privilege"....and then the girl wouldn't say she was pretty.
It’s so upsetting that in there campaign to have voices heard they are actively shutting down everyone else who disagrees with them, shutting them up, stealing there voices from them, silencing them. It’s heartbreaking.
Feminists only care about themselves.
Horrible examples of uplifting women....they really only want to uplift and validate likeminded women🙄
And even going so far as to say if a woman disagrees, she's brainwashed. Like we don't observe the world and have an opinion.
I’m not sure we need modern feminism so much now. At least in first world countries, women have it so good that even men want to be them.
What makes you think transgender women are just "choosing" to be trans. Do you really think they're just doing it because they think women have it easy? Plus, even in countries like ours, we still have incels and people like Nick Fuentes fighting to make it illegal for women to vote and force women to be under Taliban rule
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I'm pretty sure that we still have incels and people like Nick Fuentes who are advocating for women to be banned from voting and forced to live under a Christian version of the Taliban. Women certain have more rights here than they do in other places, but the fact remains, there are still people like Fuentes who, if they had the power, would take those away
True. The USA should export all our feminists to 3rd world countries for a decade, where they are so badly needed!
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feminist "leaders" should be placed on a public trial for running an extortion racket and pushing a war of aggression.
As a woman the abortion debate sux , I was in a serious relationship with the same man. I fell pregnant twice on the pill than the 3 month needle. Prior to this I tried to get my tubes tied and was denied as I was 19 they said I was too young for tubal ligation. To be fair I’m Australian. It from my eyes punishes women like me who did take the preventatives. I do agree with pearl and Sydney love their views
Completely. To me the abortion debate shouldn't even be a question. You're asking these women who don't want a child to give birth. Who's gonna look after that? Who's gonna pay for everything? You're asking for a child to be born into a very very unfortunate situation. And the mother to go through 9 months of hell only to hate her life afterwards. It makes no sense. Not to mention the tiny little fact that IT'S HER BODY.
You know what most people would say that are pro life, “well should’ve kept your legs closed.” No matter what happens you should not be having secs. 😂
I just don’t understand why they care more about unborn children than the actual born children out in the world that would’ve been better off aborted, living horrible lives and they don’t give a damn about them. As long as they’re born that’s all they care about.
@@shannonparcell357 exactly!! It doesn’t matter what other people think because it’s that persons body! They choose what they do with it!
I'm against abortion, in the sense that I think it's a minefield of either regret or desensitization, but I'm for keeping it as a right, because it's been proven to reduce criminality. I'm also for the father to be able to request an abortion, because paternity fraud, that's his body, too, albeit a smaller part. I'm also also for abortion until the child is socially (including financially) independent, but I'll grant that's a more contentious issue B)
I bristled a bit when Pearl said women use abortion because they want to sleep around with no consequences. My mind immediately went to friends who have had abortions and it was the greatest shame of their life. Or when, while going crazy in my 20's, I thought sex was power as a woman and I had a couple scares, but didn't consider abortion an option. .... All that ran through my head as defense against Pearl's broad stroke of the topic. But then the women cheered. They backed up Pearl's statement better than any statistics she could have presented.
@Bla Bla ,that breaks my heart. I am so very sorry for your friend. This is why I can't understand why those women cheered, like it's some how liberating? I'm in the middle on the abortion issue...but like your friend, the women I have known have been forever chained to their choice, not freed by it.
I fully agreed with Pearl in this case because the statistics don’t lie. The majority of abortions are not for medical emergencies or for reconciling with sexual abuse; they are for those who have undesired pregnancies because of their own consequences. I have seen many women in my life who end up pregnant and the first thing they say is “let me get my 1400 or X amount of money and drive to the abortion clinic to get rid of the baby.” I will never understand the avoidance of responsibility when the same ones complain about men not taking care of their kids. I would rather argue that there should be more testing of birth control options that are not harmful to women’s bodies. I feel like having that access could change the game because I personally don’t take BC due to the negative mental and physical effects different types have had on my health.
Thank you for sharing your story. I had an abortion 15 years ago and still feel shame to this day… however, many people I know glamorize abortions. I have been celebrated by certain parties after I divulged that I did. Someone even said happy Mother’s Day to me.
But this is the general consensus about abortions. It’s celebrated. It’s praised. I cannot believe the state of the world right now
33:45 Not this lady talking about violence issues due to the vast differences in male and female bodies, only to later fight that males deserve to have a place in women’s sports
I'd say Eli and whoever that was that yelled would both feel differently.
I like how when Pearl mentions the quotas around women no one acknowledges it, instead what they say is “well you’re pretty so you wouldn’t know how tough it is to be an ugly and undesirable woman”.
True, plus she's just average looking
@@clydekimsey7503 she even acknowledges it herself in many of her videos. Nothing wrong with looking average. They are saying it just because she is healthy looking. They want to invalidate her arguments just because of that - how frustrating that must feel like
It's no diff for men so it's not a feminist issue but a human one.
False watch it again . The quotas are acknowledged
The irony of one of the only people there apart from Sydney and Pearl that were able to have a respectful conversation was a biological man. That Jordan person was actually polite and well spoken.
YEah I was going to say, Pearl and or Sydney or Amala should snag Jordan and have a real conversation bc at least Jordan can articulate her views, I think it would be very helpful for people to understand her perspective bc these other people are so infuriatingly unlikable and nasty, and frankly fuckn racist, diminishing people perspectives bc they're white is just racist idc
Layla too though she rarely spoke
@@atsukiiesteru4984 which one was Leyla the lady in the grey suit on the front row ? If so she was also polite and articulated her points well but didn't speak much.
@SmolWavingSnail Layla didn't talk that much because she knew most of the leftists were brick walls, so she would be wasting her energy trying to argue with them, since they would never accept her statements
@Philip Garcia as much as I agree he shouldn't have been there in the first place, at least he was polite and well spoken. Which cannot be said for majority of the other people there. Especially the cackling witch, she was just obnoxious.
I can't figure out why nobody pointed out that men are black and disabled etc so that those things are not female issues.
The lady in the wheelchair should understand how unfair it is for biological males to participate in women’s sports
Would it be okay for non disabled people to participate in sports that are specifically designed for those who are disabled?
I don’t think that would be fair to the disabled participants to allow non disabled people to participate in the sport.
We have to be able to view things from other people’s perspective and not our own.
I agree with the sentiment about biological males in women's sports but honestly most disabled sports that are designed specifically for disabled people are actually not very able-bodied friendly. Eg. Wheelchair basketball, I promise you the able bodied person would be at a disadvantage if they had to play wheelchair basketball. Now sure, if they are not in a wheelchair too then they might do better but if they're playing *wheelchair* basketball they *would* be playing in a wheelchair and they absolutely do not have the advantage at that point. I've had some direct involvement in disabled sports and very genuinely that's a poor example. I get what you're saying though.
@@pia-olefa what if they identify as being in a wheelchair when they're not?
@@pia-olefa I have seen wheel chair track and basketball.
But I get what you saying.
She would have a fit if she needed a parking spot and they were all taken by able-bodied. Although some have handicaps that are not noticeable
@@pia-olefa I don't know much about wheelchair basketball but that's just ONE example.
You know what? I'm not entirely convinced.
If you take the superstar basketball living legends of today and stick em in a wheelchair, I think there's a good chance they could still win.
@@Carlos-sy8hz that just sounds like an existential crisis 🤣
I joined a Type 1 Diabetic chat group not too long ago, and left it pretty quickly. There was way too much victim mentality. I didn’t know what to expect, but I absolutely hate playing the victim.
GREAT MENTALITY TO NOT VICTIMIZE YOURSELF! KEEP YOUR HEAD UP KING
I can recommend the book by Dr. Bernstein, he is a type one himself and is still seeing patients well into his 80's.
I guarantee you, EVERYONE on the planet will go through something (medical) in their life. Some younger than others but it will be experienced regardless.
I don’t understand the “why me” mentality because why not me? Would it be better to push my Illnesses on others? No.
VICTIMHOOD is currency today and we have to shut it down.
It won’t help anyone getting better or learning to cope and live with it.
@@Mrs.CGraves well said!
@@Gengh13 thanks for the recommendation!
My husband is in the sheet metal union. It took over two years for him to get into the apprenticeship. He even took math classes at our local community college to help him try to get in. He would call the representative every few weeks to show how eager he was but it still took over two years. They have you interview in front of a panel and take multiple tests and he scored well, again it took two years. If you are a women or a minority though you do not have to test and are immediately accepted. My husband didn’t find this out until he was finally in and asking people what their process was like and he was absolutely shocked. My husband had construction experience and is extremely hardworking. I feel like this mindset is damaging for everyone. It makes the women and people of color feel as though they only got in because of their skin color or gender and not talent. My husband loves being in the union and if proud to be a sheet metal worker but I feel like these programs damaged my family by slowing down his chances of getting in and beginning his new career and better way of life.
in other words, because he was white and a man he had barriers to entry placed in front of him.
sounds pretty racist and sexist to me.
When my husband was a first year apprentice electrician he told me about how management kept trying to get girls to come do tours of the jobsites and try to get them to join the trade... and not only did not a single woman even apply after all these efforts, my husband said that it was very clear during the tours how uninterested and even horrified the women were at the work and working conditions (digging trenches and climbing buildings in midsummer Texas heat isn't exactly fun or glamorous).
Yet so much time and effort is being expended to try and get people interested in things they legitimately do not want to do or have any interest in.
He did have 2 female coworkers out of probably 200 workers overall. They couldn't do half the work either because they weren't strong enough, and honestly the only thing the women were better at was the few instances when smaller hands made things easier, but it's not as if the men couldn't still get it done... yet the women are so sought after for statistics on a report despite actually being less capable.
@@mewster1818 My husband has also said this about the women that he has worked with. They legitimately cannot do the work because they do not have the upper body strength. He has only worked with a couple women that can do the labor without special treatment. What I mean by special treatment is that they usually will have them doing assembly work that is very repetitive and requires little physical labor. I agree though I just don’t understand why they put so much pressure on trying to get women to do a job they don’t want to do or incapable of doing. Especially when it is hurting a massive group of men that are willing and eager to do the work.
"because of their skin color or gender and not talent" - I'd use merit, experience not talent. Talent is perceived as something inherent, that you do not have to work for and it's clear your husband worked very hard. Let's not take it away from him or any other person.
But such approach is, paradoxically, damaging for women especially. If they are admitted on the base of their sex there is no guarantee they will be good workers. And if they are not -voila, women will be labelled as unfit for the job because a few of them were admitted just because and did not perform to the industry standards. ;/
@@grooveyman I have no issue admitting I am weak as hell. Men are better at lifting which does not mean they should be exploited for this. But yes, I will never lift as much as a man and I am not even trying. On the intellectual front, though - we are not that different. Pure biological differences - the dimorphism is strong and needs to be accepted.
People who know their arguments (facts and figured) and are confident in their opinions don't get emotional when debating. PearlyThings and Sydney are cool as ice, everyone else emotionally irrational.
I couldn't help but notice how for Sydney and Pearl that they were asked to defend every detail of what they said, no matter how small. Whereas those opposing them can get away with broad strokes and vague "nothing-of-substances" buzz words and statements with little resistance from either side. Except in the sense of the few simple questions that they refused to answer.
Grandiloquence!
🎯 but they're "oppressed"🙄
The main thing from all this is that Sydney and Pearl are so calm and collected. They do not interrupt the others when they talk regardless of the total lack of respect presented towards them. Conversations should be two sides bringing points to the table and debating them calmly. When you start yelling over the "opponent" is where you show weakness and lack of substance from your arguments....
Leftist rage hard when someone counter argues with them and usually just resort to name calling. Children.
@@cvx5595 I agree 100%
@Bla Bla they are definitely more patient that I am
By the 10-minute mark, I was ready to start disrespecting the leftists women.
If Amala was also in the panel, Vice wouldn't probably air the episode. 😄
Or they'd edit it very carefully....if you know what I mean
Shows u how scared they are
If you listen to Sidney explanation of what happened she said they cut out the majority of what she said. It's messed up
Yeah, that discussion would probably devolve into a catfight😎
I would prefer when doing such debates to include women for the middle east, to include Muslim women, asian women, and not biological MEN
They should have brought a woman from north Korea then it would shut them off
I was on a swim team for six years. It was the only sport that I really loved. I worked extremely hard so I could improve and get on a better team. But trans people were starting to be allowed into our spaces. I realized that no matter how hard I worked, I would never get to the Olympics or be on a college team, because they would always outdo me. I stopped doing swim team, and I'll never do it again because I am not going to put in the hours when I know I'll never get to my dream because selfish people need to feel comfortable
The only women's right we need to fight for is the rights for biological women against trans women.
Where are all these trans women who "outdid" you now? I see none in the Olympics. Oh wait, there were two Olympic trans athlets since it's allowed, a weight lifter and a bow archer, no swimmer at all, but they both won NOTHING!
@@miriamlana833 Babes, I am talking about city competitions, where I was beat. and don't put outdid in air quotes, they did beat me because they were men swimming in a woman's race. Wren Pyle
Pyle won the 2022 USA Skimo 2022 National Championship in the women’s U23 Sprint.
Jamie Hunter
The billiards player won her first major ranking event when they took the 2022 US Women’s Snooker Open title.
Victoria Monaghan
Monaghan won the New Zealand Open darts championship in 2022
JayCee Cooper
Cooper won the women’s 2019 national championship for bench press in the super heavyweight division.
Michelle Dumaresq
Michelle Dumaresq won the 2003 Canadian National Championships in downhill mountain biking.
Laurel Hubbard
The Olympic weightlifter won two Oceania Championships and two Commonwealth Championships, amongst many gold medals Laurel won during their competition years, adding a World Masters Games title in 2017, when they won a silver in the World Championships.
Veronica Ivy
Ivy is a two-time masters world champion, notably winning the 2018 UCI World Masters Track Cycling Championships in thier age category.
And I can list so much more. They may not be at the Olympic level yet, but they will.
@@PardonMyFrench16 shall I now mention every time when trans men won against cis men in sports, and no one blamed them for their "unnatural T levels" cis men can't reach naturally, like trans women are blamed for "male puberty"?
But that was all in sports with weight classes. Maybe we should have length classes or whatever in the sports you prefer.
@@miriamlana833 Trans men don't win in competition if they do, its lucky, But I would like to see how many are winning and how often, because it's not very likely they are ALWAYS winning, like trans women are. There is no problem there because they are not unnaturally winning. Trans women still have higher levels of testosterone, and need I remind you men's bodies have more muscular mass and a bigger bone structure, there for trans women are stronger and bigger than biological women. They still have an unfair advantage. You can argue all you want but it is sexist and unfair to allow biological men to compete against women. Now, I am not saying have trans women compete against men, because even though they still have higher testosterone, it's not as much as a man after a few years on hormones. They can have their own teams and heat to make it fair. The whole reason we have women and men teams is because it is unfair for women to compete against men.
@@miriamlana833
Look, it's very simple.
Men and women are different, right down to every cell in their body.
It is more than just hormones, putting a biological man on feminizing hormones for any length of time will not change the physical advantages that men naturally have. More muscle mass, stronger bones, faster twitch muscles, more twitch muscle fibres, taller, heavier, generally more durable. This is what differentiates men from women in physical stature.
That's simple biology.
No matter how many drugs you take, when someone digs up your skeleton in 100 years they will know immediately if you were a man or a woman.
If you're in denial of these biological realities then there's no helping you because the premise of any argument you make is not grounded in reality. If you're this wrong, fundamentally, about the world we live in then you're doomed to be ignorant.
Trans men, aka women, winning against biological men in sports is relatively rare. I don't have a problem with it because the trans men are choosing to fight uphill from the start. If they win, its because they are an incredible physical specimen not because their biological makeup gives them a massive physical advantage.
When men go into women's sports it's an unfair contest skewed towards the men entirely. It's insane.
"Voices that have been silenced forever", from the woman that never shuts up.
I think that what is insanely frustrating here is that they make feminism divisive. Instead of focusing on the things or topics that bring women together, they focus so hard on the things that tear them apart. This is why modern activism is so gross. It’s not about uniting people and empowering everyone, it’s about dividing them and making them believe that they are either victims or perpetrators.
Yes! Exactly what I was thinking and you worded it perfectly. It makes me cringe. Did you watch the mens debate Amala reacted to the other day? That one was even more painful for me to watch
They can’t even come together to define what Feminism is, or a WOMAN. Already off to a bad start 😐
Exactly!
That's insightful. Separating themselves into categories immediately diffuse the support for their argument as a whole.
OR that unless you hold the EXACT SAME values and opinions, your word is futile. It’s exhausting!
The barriers part was hilarious. Brought up time and time again yet never answered as to what barriers there were. Comedy gold.
This was a breath of fresh air. Recently I've made a new youtube channel and just had to put "black woman" in my title for me to get the same amount of subscribers it took me 8 years to get on my first channel. And then, people complain that my content is too positive and doesn't properly reflect Black people's experiences in Japan because I don't show racism and being discriminated against. In other words, my content is too positive.😑 What is this world coming to?
its slave mentality by attention whores ,ignore them since they are so busy enslaving themselves that they are lost so long as they dont have the strength to stand on their own feet as their own person
Subscribing just because I want tonsee positive content. 😊
It's ridiculous. These people are in competition to be the most miserable person ever
Gonna look you up!
American oppression Olympics, the audacity Americans and Liberals have that if you don't subscribe to their view points then you're in the wrong.
“As a woman or a woman of co-“
Me: 😴💤💤
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I saw it coming from a mile off lmao
1st world privilege to complain about non existent issues to feel special is a sight to behold. Cheers to them though, I just wish they apply that energy to help folks that really need the help.
Jesus...💁🏽♂️
I love how Pearl will block anyone who tries to interrupt her.
I think that's mostly because she comes from a gigantic family that has 10 kids so they got to be able to keep going forward in order to be heard
@@rudesword2852 As someone with a very loud sibling I agree, siblings taught her that lol
Yet crippled kept interrupting her everytime
Sydney did great. Unfortunately, I've watched a lot of Pearls stuff, and I wasn't impressed. She had it too easy with these women - all she had to do was spit a few well known talking points for everyone to applaud her. Put Pearl in a situation where she's actually challenged and she becomes just like these women she's 'destroying'. Sydney's answers were actually nuanced and well thought out, so to her I take my hat off. I wish more people would take the time to analyse Pearl rather than just assuming if she's anti feminism then it automatically follows that she must know what she's doing. This is a woman who believes only virgins deserve monogamy, because if you're not one, it means you 'cheated' on your FUTURE husband, yes, even though you didn't know he existed at the time. From all I've seen of Pearl and her show, she's incredibly juvenile and her takes are unintelligent, nonsensical rubbish and quite frankly, the only thing that saved her here was that it's not hard to look good against other irrational people when you have a list of other people's talking points to parrot on issues that you don't actually understand yourself - I'd like to see her debate an intelligent feminist like Louise Perry or Kellie Jay Keen - let's see how good she looks then! And yes, I am a conservative woman myself.
massive props to Sydney & Pearl for powering through this, those other women were so immature and condescending
Honestly I wish they would’ve invited Amala cause she would’ve made a better fit for this panel!
I actually think the host or the person directing the panel did a horrible job. She had no control of the situation and the fact that the brunette was allowed to cackle like a witch and wasn't told to stop because that's clearly insulting, dismissive, rude, unprofessional, unproductive and illogical, just goes to show you how this conversation was still biased.
My first real job as a teenager was in welding (I took welding in HS for 2 yrs). I worked construction building, remodeling, and repairing homes, later opening our own construction company. After that I went into Firefighting and ended with running my husbands trucking company. Not once did I ever have to prove myself any more than a man had to.
I was 18 when I applied to a welding company that had 3 shops. The first shop didn’t hire me but the Forman of another shop swooped in while I was packing up my stuff and immediately hired me for his shop. His exact words were “I’d rather hire a woman, y’all make better welders. You’re more detail oriented.” That seems like a benefit of being a woman.
In construction and welding the men constantly attempted to do the heavy lifting and “hard stuff” for me. I was not expected to do those things. Another benefit here.
In firefighting the women had MUCH lower physical agility standards. This also appears to be a benefit.
Luckily it didn't take long for the men to realize I could do the job the same as them.
In trucking my husband stopped being the communication point for our drivers, brokers, shippers, receivers, and even repair shops. I was able to negotiate better rates with less hassle. It was easier and less painful for me to handle getting an earlier appt at shippers and receivers. Drivers overall responded better to me. For years I watched my husband handle those things. He was always polite and always cooperative, always more even tempered than I ever was. It wasn't until my female voice or face was there that things went smoother. THIS IS A BENEFIT OF BEING A WOMAN.
Really interesting viewpoint you don't often hear, thanks!
You have a really healthy mindset when interpreting men's reactions to your work. Many women in your position would be raving about how they were victims of prejudice because men didn't expect the same performance from them, like it was condescending. I'm not saying there aren't condescending men, ofc there are, but we don't have to assume they all are, especially because many are just trying to be attentive and not burthen women .
I once was on a training session on building maintenance, and I got selected with another girl to go to plumbing. After that a man came to us praising our job, and saying how nice it is to see women doing that job too. Honestly, it felt bittersweet, because I wanted to already be past that phase, and for everyone to consider it normal and not necessary to point it out as a good improvement. But hey, we need to go through that phase, and his mindset was in the right place and he was kind 🤷🏻♀️
1:03:28 "Have you tried confidence?"... Has she tried confidence to walk? She should know that confidence doesn't play any role facing a wall of physical reality.
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Daaamn 😂 wish you were in that panel
I was literally thinking the same thing, glad you said it tho 😂💀
This is why I always say that your relationship with yourself is the most important one. That's what defines your relationship with everything and everyone else. Using everyone else's opinions and treatment of you as a way to avoid yourself is how you got most of the people on this panel. Where validation is the only thing they respect. Thankfully, people can change.
Pearl asked many times what barriers women face, and only the lady in front of her had the answer: one’s mindset. Self-doubt is the barrier.
1:04 props to the woman in the beige sweater for standing up for Pearl. She indeed is a woman sharing her experience and opinion and she was harassed because it wasn’t in favor of trans women in biological women’s sports.
I'm a civil engineer. My daughter made all As in high school. I didn't. She scored higher than me on both parts of the SAT. She also graduated college with all As. I had to retake a few classes. She's currently doing a great job as a high school art teacher. She chose to be an art teacher. She would have been unhappy as an engineer even though she could have been one. I don't believe I could be an art teacher or at least a very good one.
Since when are we supposed to love working? That's why it's called WORK!
Gosh, I wish someone had told me so I could have been a professional surfer, or golfer!
@@chitownbob9714 people sometimes rather have a job that kinda feels like a hobby that they are happy with regardless of pay. Some people work for pay like myself. I'm a very creative person and I love painting so if I wanted to could a artist but I'd rather work in a corporate field where I have to be professional and work with numbers for the high pay. It's about choices that people make career wise.
@@chitownbob9714 because if I'm gonna be spending well over half of my life doing it, I'd rather not be miserable the entire time.
I'm sorry you value yourself and your wellbeing so little that you think it's okay for you to be spending that much time being unhappy. I hope one day you'll realize that you're worth more than that.
You are mislead, sir.
I think no matter what stance one holds on abortion it is irresponsible to celebrate it. As a person who is a pro-choicer mostly i still wouldn't want it to be glamorized and called empowering in any way it affects life be it in any form.
Imagine, 4-5 hours of footage, and they couldn't find one time they answered a damn question.
I wonder if the disabled woman was asked, "What additional barriers do you have versus a paraplegic man?"
Or if the POC women were asked, "What additional barriers do you have versus a black man/Hispanic man?"
I love Sydney's and Pearl's points during the talk and how well they conducted themselves in spite of the psychos in the room. Especially the crazy laughter from the one; that just erupted out of nowhere lol. Imagine how much more interesting it would've been to have Amala on that panel too speaking truth with Sydney and Pearl!
@hasanpiker9472Sydney Watson. She's got her own channel where she breaks down a lot of what has been going on. She's smart, and witty too!
The cackling one went into full projecting mode. She accused Sydney of living in a bubble and being mad that poc's are able to "have a voice". The thing is she's the one that lives in a bubble and only listens to people who believe the same things as her, wich is shown by her emotional reaction upon hearing different opinions, she's the one that wants others, specifically people who don't think the same, to be silenced and is the one who's mad that people who think differently are still allowed to speak their minds. And let's keep in mind that to her "being listened to" means being "believed and validated".
She isn't for equal rights to speech, she's for censoring people who think differently than how she's been conditioned to "think". People like her, pro authoritarian mrxists, don't believe in Objective Morals and Individual Rights, they believe in having power over others and only viewing that as wrong when they're not the ones in power. The Fourth Age explains this mentality and it's origins on one of his last videos.
@@agm5424 well said!!!
That would have been awesome to have Amala on there with Sydney and Pearl!
I think it hinders the women’s movement when feminists strive to be so inclusive to a point where everything but womanhood will become the focus.
I want another panel where Brett and Amala get to join forces with Sydney and Pearl, and they just take over the world. Because that would be epic, not a single snowflake could survive.
And Lauren Chen!
Blaire White as well!
And Candace!!!
It’s funny that you all call us snowflakes but get so offended by a person wanting to express themselves
@@LEAN-BEAN offended? No, we’re just speaking out against this insanity. We’re not the ones crying over pronouns or crying that kids can’t be mutilated.
I laughed when Pearl asked the wheelchair lady: What’s stopping you?… As a women?
It's like Pearl is blind and so out of touch with reality.
@@whitney8678 except she’s not. You can’t give any examples of her being out of touch.
@@whitney8678 you're like all these woke people. Out of touch with reality and the topics at hand. Your kind likes going on tangents when discussing anything but can't give any factual statements
I got the impression it was deliberate, not blindness. So "as a woman" was like a punchline, which it was too everyone who knew that woman was being ridiculous to make it about what she did.
I love how the comments are turned off for the original video 😂 I saw, in a comment from Sydney’s channel, that comments were initially allowed but they were almost all in favor of Sydney and Pearl and pointed out how insane a lot of the things that were said. If true, I’m not surprised, but also: nice one Vice. Shutting off the comment section on a debate video is the antithesis to the goal of the entire video lol
Also…if life is so hard as a woman why don’t you just transition to being a man, or anything that isn’t a “woman.”
I watched the video the first day it came out, within the hour of it being released. The comments were most definitely split. I wouldn't say they went in one specific direction more than the other. However, they were getting ugly and most certainly not productive. I agree that shutting off comments on a debate video negates the core concept. Though, unfortunately, the comments weren't doing anything to provoke further, relevant debate. I can assure you that you didn't miss out on much.
@@mrm8171 I read the comments 2 days after it was posted and the comments were brutal. People were pointing out that the women couldn’t substantiate why they needed Feminism. There were some really funny jokes that are lost in the comments section.😢
I think turning off the comments is a barrier to women
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I saw that too- THOUSANDS of reviews in favor of Pearl and Sydney in the original Vice post. Amazing. It appears that not only the Feminists on that panel- but Vice itself, are not only delusional but biased, as well.
I also love the fact that the woman who is advocating for the idea that women are oppressed is asking Pearl about if she cares about empowering Women when Pearl is the one saying that Women can do whatever they want in today’s society, Feminism is a corrupt ideology that is meant to hold women back.
Colorism is something that is mainly perpetrated by people within the same ethnic group,and let me tell you, black men make it no delusion on how colorist they are.
Yep
Wtf is a colourist
@@jeshurunhazelton7789a person that degrades darker skinned people and only praises people of lighter skin
@@idilburhan3306 so anyone that does that is a colourist n not just certain groups of people
@@idilburhan3306 so colourist is just another new word for racist
Hold up !! that woman sitting far right claiming Islam allows abortion apparently dismissed the part where it says " for medical reasons when either the baby or mother is at high risk" but to abort a healthy fetus for no reason is not allowed.. that woman knows zero about her faith
Exactly 💯
Yes and women in our culture (yes this religion also has our own culture as it's mostly Asian countries that are Muslim minus the few in Africa) don't find it something to brag about sleeping around and getting an abortion
I'm sorry but can't take her serious as a Muslim woman.....
Something that is often missing from the feminist conversations is the experience of mothers. I am from Canada where we have one year of parental leave paid by the government but I know in other countries there’s no parental leave or leaves that are very short periods of time. Mothers need to be better supported in taking care of their children especially single mothers, or parents who don’t have family nearby to help them. Also breast-feeding education in the west is abysmal, not only in terms of learning how to breast-feed, but also support around challenges that occur as breast-feeding continues over months, or years, and ways to wean your baby off of breast-feeding. Very little support exists for that and often mothers end up feeding their babies in ways that they wouldn’t have chosen had they had the correct support. Also, the pay gap issue comes into play here as women lose income and socioeconomic status when they become mothers. There is pressure to keep up a thriving career while raising children, and while some mothers may choose this route others may be forced, or want, to prioritize one over the other. There should be supports in place for them to be able to do that. I have no idea what the solution would be to this problem. There are probably several different solutions needed, only that it seems to be something that’s absent from feminist discussions in general
Parents get a CCB paid monthly up to $570 dollars per child paid to them by the government. I don’t have kids. Last time I checked the government wasn’t giving me any money every month. Stop acting like parents in Canada don’t receive generous financial assistance.
Say it louder for those in the back.
This is a barrier. Yet all the panelist couldn't even come up with it.
How about also adding in free hygiene products? Something women kinda fucking need?
No? They couldn't bring that up either?
Pearl would tell you it's your fault for not marrying a rich man, and that if you really loved your children you wouldn't be working, or you wouldn't have had a divorce, or that you shouldn't have been a run through ho (which all single mothers are). I wish they had brought up some of those things, because that would have forced Pearl to expose herself and her beliefs that women shouldn't be outside the home anyway. I hate that people keep applauding this woman because it seems as if the assumption is that if it's anti feminist then it's automatically good. As a conservative woman, and not a feminist myself, Pearl is truly awful.
How is being a “disabled” woman have anything to do with feminism? Don’t disabled men share those same issues? How is being a “black”. Woman have anything to do with feminism? Don’t black men share those same issues?
As a woman, I negotiated to being paid $4 more an hour than their first offer. The way you go into it is important. Women are more agreeable than men and that has been studied. Women just work differently. As a woman, it is important to be both mindful of your worth and mindful of what you want out of life and hold to it.
I don’t think that outside sources create barriers for women; we create barriers for ourselves in one way or another.
Exactly, the fact that any of them would sit down with men (pretending to be women) and have this debate is proof of what you say.
My mom is older, disabled, and overweight (not unlike the lady in the wheelchair in this video) and she accidentally wage negotiated herself to getting paid over a dollar an hour more at a new job. It's possible.
That’s true. Negotiation is key to ensure equitable pay. By law woman have the right to fair pay but many ladies don’t feel bold enough . Well done 👍🏼
Some things are a barrier no matter if we try are not, but its important to try, and if it doesn't work, try a different approach.
You dropped this queen 👑 we need more people like you