The one that comes to mind is the one in FL where the guy's house got foreclosed on erroneously. Sued the bank, won, they didn't pay, got the bailiff to go seize stuff, and ended up with control over their HQ temporarily or something like that before they finally paid him what was owed.
@@TheBeanHome and yet, the cops didn't keep taking through civil asset forfeiture. That bank made some of that money through crime, so all of it came from crime.
Imagine being on a plane that's all loaded up ready to go, and you hear an announcement: "I'm sorry, but we're going to have to cancel this flight because the aircraft has been seized by a bailiff."
I am not native English speaker and my skills with this language are fairly limited so I was wondering through the video that why was he focusing on the name so much. I can not find explanation here in the comments either. Would any of you here be willing to provide it for me?
In Texas, a major oil company failed to pay their property tax on a processing plant for three years. A man paid the back taxes and became the legal owner of a multi billion dollar company. He put a lock on the gate and the security contacted the office. they bought their property back for over half a million in cash and stock. they always made sure the property tax was paid on time and in full after that. The man is reported to have said "thank you" as he got the cashiers check and stock certificate as he removed the locks from the gate.
@@thomasrogers8239England doesn't have property taxes, never has, not in the way the US has them. So it can't come from UK common law. The UK has a seperate system but paying someone else's council tax gives you no rights at all (the council may even refuse payment as your name is not on the account). Failure to pay your council tax in the UK also will not result in your home been repossessed without first going through about 30 steps before it (including likely sending you to prison, its actually a crime not to pay, one of only the few debt related crimes still on the books in the UK).
@@manbunmyname5866 actually it is: "If you don't pay the delinquent amount, your home will be sold at a public auction to the highest bidder. The minimum bid must be at least the lesser of: - the aggregate amount of the judgments against the property, or - the home's market value. (Tex. Tax Code § 33.50(b).) (...)The winning bidder (or the county) then gets a deed (title) to your home, subject to the right of redemption." If no one else bid, the guy basically paid the back taxes and legally owned the business.
My family got bumped from a connecting flight due to overbooking. The airline tried to appease us with a voucher for a future flight. Fortunately, I did a little research and got the compensation lawfully due, in cash and on the spot. It was several times the amount of the voucher being offered and practically paid for the trip.
They are lawfully allowed to give you a voucher, or less - if that's what you accept. They are NOT required to give you anything more, unless you don't accept it.
@@ThereIsNoOtherHandleLikeMine Per the department of transportation, if you are involuntarily bumped. 0 to 1 hour arrival delay, No compensation. 1 to 2 hour arrival delay, 200% of one-way fare (airlines may limit the compensation to $775 if 200% of the one-way fare is higher than $775). Over 2 hour arrival delay, 400% of one-way fare (airlines may limit the compensation to $1,550 if 400% of the one-way fare is higher than $1,550).
@@Illyria1217 That's awesome. The one thing not specified is how do they determine the one-way fare price? Is it the price for a same-day flight that day? Is it the lowest price in the last 90 days? Is it the price of the *very* coincidental flash sale that was just active for 60 seconds at the moment you were bumped?
This happened with either Wells Fargo or BOA. They wrongly foreclosed on a guy's house. He didn't even have a mortgage let alone through them. He won a large judgement and they refused to pay. So he got an order, went to a branch with law enforcement, and threatened to seize everything. They had no choice but to pay.
This is the thing that worries me right now. Wells Fargo acquired my mortgage several years ago. I have 5 years left on my mortgage, and have never missed a payment, yet I am terrified they will pull a stunt like this on me once my mortgage is paid off. This is also the reason I pay by check, so that i have a paper trail of every payment in addition to bank records, in case they try to pull the old "we never received the payment" bull-crap.
I was taking a shot every time Steve said "Wizz Air" but I died of alcohol poisoning at around 3:45 -- luckily my tickets to heaven were booked in advance on Wizz Air and the cancelled my fight so I get to stay in this mortal realm.
My sister once got a judgement that they did not pay, a sheriff went to their retail location with the judgement, not enough in cash register to pay judgement. Sheriff told them to start selling stuff because they also have to pay the sheriff for how long he is there. She said some customers got some great deals.
This happens fairly often in the UK. They even have a few reality shows about bailiffs and high court enforcement officers collecting on judgements. It seems like once a season an airline is involved, sometimes even large name brand airlines. Plus, over there, if you make them chase you that added expense keeps on getting added on. One $1500 debt ended up costing over $4500. If they have to seize goods, or even bring in transport, that's added on, too.
I saw one of those and the debtor was Delta Airlines. Delta got shut down at one of the major airports. Nobody was alowed to check in and no flights could move during a rather busy time until they paid. They ended up paying. 😂😂
I have to wonder...if businesses are refusing to pay, knowing that delaying like that will cost them extra, they must do it for a reason. Perhaps they save more money than they lose because people give up?
Can you imagine the poor girl at the Wizz Air counter at the airport when these guys walked up, demanding £4,500? Not her best day at work, that's for sure.
I love it when a company says "We fell short of our own expectations" when they get caught dragging their feet on even the minimum effort to correct the situation.
We had one of those locally a few years ago. Once they started loading furniture on trucks outside the secretary found someone who was able to cut a check to make it stop. Apparently the business called the cops and once they talked to someone higher up they were helping load stuff. Somebody notified the local news and it was broadcast on location.
If I were the bailiff I would have taken the furniture. Sure it's not worth as much as some of the medical supplies, but at least it won't effect patient care.
Not necessarily. My parents are both self-employed (architect and accountant), and we once had a flight from Montserrat to Antigua (to get a connecting flight back to the US) cancelled the day of. My mom called a local helicopter sightseeing charter company, and they were able to fly us to Antigua. It was expensive, but my mom knew she'd be able to pressure the airline to reimburse her, and it did require some threats, but she got her money back.
They can also throw organs and a surgeons on a helicopter on short notice. Needing that system in place explains why organ transplants are so expensive.
You can do this in the US as well. Check your local Small Claims Court limits, some are as high as $5-6000. You can sue, win a judgment, and if they don’t pay have the bailiff go to their location to repossess items equal to the value of your judgment. You can hire an attorney for this or if you’re savvy/daring you can do it yourself.
In my case they didn’t have an attorney show up so I presented my evidence and was given a judgement. They don’t have an attorney show to make it more difficult for you to collect but its also fairly easy to win if you provide evidence.
The limit is $20,000 in Texas. The fee to go to court is $34 and if you can show you can't afford that, the government may waive it for you. If someone owes you money and you can't afford a lawyer, that's not much of a reason to give up. I may have to do it myself soon.
I almost did something similar when I sued a healthcare company for overbilling and won. They ignored my request for the refund check. I sent them a fax saying I would send the deputies with a writ of execution to seize and sell their computers, to cover both the $1,700 judgment and the collection costs this would incur, and good luck with HIPAA if that happens! They sent me a check by FedEx overnight.
I sent the Sheriff out (cost be 50 bucks) to a property to serve a foreclosure notice one day after it was due. The creep was not going to pay me...I had a check the next day , and , it was good. 17K.
There's a show in the UK called "Can't pay, we'll take it away". After a judgement is won in the high court, private bailiffs show up to enforce-immediately-either by payment or seizing goods to cover it. Interesting show covers the operations of a bailiff company. They have episodes on TH-cam.
I've done the same thing, although the company I sent the bailiffs to had closed down. However, after a delay of several months, once you win judgement (which for that sort of amount you can do at the small claims court), after a month or so you then have to pay a separate fee to send the bailiff round. You then have to wait for several months (as I remember as it was a long time ago), and then you will get a sheet of paper with about 30 reasons why the visit was unsuccessful, and one explanation that they have received goods to the approximate value. Typically it will be one of the reasons why the visit was unsuccessful that is ticked! And if they do actually seize goods, then you have to wait a further delay for them to be auctioned. It's a really slow process.
years ago my wife was rear ended by an uninsured driver. he didn't pay, she went to small claims court and got a judgement and he still never paid. 10-12 years later she gets a call from the guys new bride saying they just got married and are in the process of buying a house but have to clear up the judgement. She asked my wife how much it would take to clear the judgement. My wife told her the full amount plus interest. She ended up with a check for close to 20k, we remodeled the kitchen with the unexpected funds.
Important point here that people on dashcam channels always miss. Just because someone hasn't gotten insurance doesn't mean they don't have to pay for the damages they caused.
"I just wish there was a means to fly without airlines." Oh man, we are one in the same on that issue. I haven't flown since....gosh, when did the TSA become a thing?
Years ago I won a judgement against an individual who then stonewalled paying. So I quietly put a lien against their house and then just forgot about it. One day some years later I received a call from his divorce attorney asking to pay me out as part of dividing their assets. Unfortunately I don't think you can do the same with an airline's jet.
@@PromptCriticalJello Just seizing a jet so they can't make scheduled flight would 1. probably get you paid in a hell of a hurry, 2. be a delightful bit of irony, and 3. Cost them a small fortune compensating he people whose flight got delayed or cancelled. Unfortunately there's no way a jet is going to be seized when there's all sorts of other property with a value that's vastly closer to the amount of the judgment. There's also the practical matter of who owns the jet. There's probably not a registration in the glove compartment to easily show ownership, and many planes are actually leased (though less likely with a major airline).
@@suedenim9208 In the US, it's easy to look up ownership info on aircraft if you have their tail number. The FAA maintains a public registry of that info. (For curiosity's sake, I have sometimes looked up the owners of helicopters and planes used in movies.)
@@suedenim9208 Did you watch Steve's video yesterday about the Craigslist car law suit. He goes over what the title of something is. Short answer, it's not the piece of paper. But i was wondering why OP though he couldn't put a lien on a plane, not seize it.
Bailiffs can pretty much seize anything and everything so long as it belongs to the company they are seizing from though the plane would be the last thing they try to seize as from an obvious view seizing it will make it hard for them to make money
i love the visual of the douche ceo telling the guy "i know you have a Writ but you will wait till monday until i let you execute, the important people are golfing rn" then getting hung up on and having to call back to say "well actually....ill helicoptor over and write you a check now"
That is almost impossible to do here in New Zealand. I had a court order and to get the bailiff to seize property and evict a tenant. I had to note the property down, including serial numbers that was to be seized. How the hell could I do that? I went route of hiring a couple of huge gang members and we went around and turfed the guy out. He didn't have enough stuff of value to pay the debt anyway.
It's usually similar in the USA. Evicting non-paying tenants can be very difficult (laws vary by state), and you got a better chance of seeing God than getting your back rent.
@@the_mowron my family has done real estate where I am for a long time and have never had a problem getting a tenant out. I mean, there is a specific process that takes time, but it was just a waiting game until you can call the sheriff and they will meet with you while you change the locks. However, I know someone in another state where it has gotten very hard. He has got to the point were he just tells them he will give back their full security deposit if they are out in 48 hours and he says he has never had one turn him down and he keeps his promise as its costs less for him than the eviction process.
@@jacobortega3424 video is about seizing an airlines posessions to get money thry owed. Comment was about seizing a renters posessions to get money they owed(and also evict them). Seems related to me.
Lol, the hospital story is awesome. Be so funny to see the bailiff started rolling out patients into the back of a truck. Or if one of the bailiffs at the airport is a pilot. Takes one of the Jets and flys off. Would be the most legendary story of all time.
This reminds me of the time a few years ago where the guy had a judgement against a bank, who still didn't pay up, so he did the same thing, showing up at one of the bank branches with a Sherriff ready to start taking office furniture and computers to cover the judgement, lol. It made news for a guy "foreclosing on a bank".
I was flying years ago from a small town in Canada to Tampa, Fl. and had to go through Toronto, I got to the gate in Toronto, and got bumped from that flight. There was only one flight a day with that airline going to Tampa. The airline refund for that part of the trip, and booked me on that same flight the next day, and said see you tomorrow. I said where am i going to stay, they said you have money, (speaking about the refund) you can get a hotel. I said it was your airline that bumped me, it is up to you to find a place for me. and a few minutes they booked me into a hotel downtown for one night. At least I stood up for my self. and saved over $100.00 in added costs. Even at a young age, I knew my rights.
I remember WOW Airlines that suddenly died a horrible death, and passengers were stranded in Iceland. Scary thing was I almost booked a flight with them. A lot of these lower tier airlines, seem to get away with murder nowadays. I know the aggravation of delayed and cancelled flights (avoid Philadelphia btw) . People actually book flight schedules for a reason.
Always avoid Philadelphia airport. The only airport where i have had things stolen out of my tool box. Not only once, but twice. Plus, it's just a bad airport in general. And i'd be willing to bet that you were flying US airways. They were infamous for cancelling flights because there were not enough passengers. They didn't care that they were disrupting your entire schedule, they just didn't want to lose a little bit of money on a not very full flight. That's not how it works, i paid for a seat on that flight at that time, not some other flight at a different time.
@@jeromethiel4323 It was US Air. If you´re heading to a less than major city, you´re not important enough. You´re right, they want to to save money trying to fill up a later plane.
OTOH, my Guard unit flew into Philly coming back from Desert Shield/Desert Storm. After having our first alcoholic drinks in Nine Months, we then proceeded to walk through Security w/a weapon in weapons case in each hand w/out stopping….
@@jamessimms415 Sounds good, almost like fun. Glad to hear. Back somewhere in the mid+ oo’s, I bought a helmet for bicycling to work in winter (Canada), shaped and coloured like what you wore (snowboard, Giro, Bad Lieutenant model lol). One time back near home, walking it on a busy sidewalk because traction otherwise, some guy walking past said to his GF “He doesn’t even know.”. But the days of spitting on returning soldiers seems to have passed. Cheers.
Been there done that. One problem I had was to insure the property you want to take is theirs. Many times they can transfer all property to another legal entity to shield their property from collection.
In the UK, a court could rule that to be intentional fraud. But to avoid all of that bother, sheriffs often seize property at least on paper on their first visit if they can't get immediate payment. That way, no transfer of property is legal since the property belongs to the court until and unless the full payment is received. The logic is that if they leave the equipment in place, the business may be able to trade its way out of difficulties and pay the judgement in full, but they need to make sure the equipment can't be transferred to someone else's name while this happens.
My favorite story goes back to the 80's and has to do with Michelin Tires (French company) who had a judgement against them. The opposing attorney got a writ and had the court constables go down to the company HQ and chain the doors shut. No one could get into the building. The exec's showed up very quickly with a check book and paid the outstanding judgement. One does not simply thumb their nose at the American judicial system the court does have teeth.
Heard a guy interviewed on L.A. radio a few years back. Got a judgement against a bank branch (thought it was Wells Fargo, but won't swear to it). They didn't show up to the hearing and defaulted, just didn't care. He got the judgement and served them, they ignored it. He posted notices he was going to seize assets, they ignored it. Sent Sheriffs to inventory the branch to inventory assets, including computers and office furniture, they still just shrugged and made no effort to pay or even contact him. But, the guy was media savvy, and issued a press release. It went viral and generated tons of bad publicity and laughing. And suddenly the bank was _very_ interested in getting the payment settled. Didn't care until the media covered it. Maybe a couple of similar incidents, since there seems to be some back and forth in the comments about details and what bank. But I heard this story directly from the man involved, in an on-air live interview.
There is also the "Till Tap", when a Bailiff is assigned to stand next to the cash register in a business such as a restaurant or retail store, and collects proceeds before cash payments make it into the till.
There was another story about a company not paying up on s judgement in England. It might have been FedEx. The plaintiff then sent the bailiffs in and they started to confiscate office equipment until someone came with a check for the full amount. There they can do that. The corporate lawyers failed to appear causing a summary judgment then balked at the court’s judgment. So the plaintiff had the last laugh.
But you can also apply to the court to have the judgment set aside if you can provide compelling reasons such as a non serving of the original writ because that is hedged by specific circumstances to make sure that the people against the claim is being made have received it. It is hard to do but possible but non attendance is not normally accepted as a reason to withdraw judgment, but Wizz are known to stonewall on CCJ's and have in excess of 400 unsatisfied ones outsanding according to a story run by Tony Hetherington in a Sunday newspaper about 2 weeks back.
I just love the picture of them showing up at the airport and saying "Well if you don't have the money, let's see... that plane is probably worth something; let's take that." I bet they feel a little disappointed when to company just hands them a check; I'm sure they were looking forward to taking stuff. People like taking stuff, and if you can do it legally, that's just icing on the cake.
I going to tell you how backwards my brain is. When I read the title Man Sues Airline and Wins in Spectacular Fashion, I though the video was about the man's outfit. lol
This is actually really funny. I work for a certain type of insurance company - we deal with thousands of claims every week and if you're in the UK, you've 100% seen banners and adverts advertising us. You've probably had one of our theme songs stuck in your head from TV, even. Just the other week, the bailiffs turned up at one of our main offices (because one of our agents accidentally lost track of an ongoing claim for such a long time.) It was such an embarrassing event. The bailiff guys didn't take anything - my buddy just went downstairs and cut them a cheque. But seriously, this type of thing does happen sometimes. Insurance claim handlers are often just minimum wage, poorly trained slaves to our corporate overlords. Human error and insane workloads and anyone can make a mistake. Hold your insurance accountable, insist you be given a timeline for your claim and chase them whenever that timeline is exceeded. It probably won't hurry things up, but if you show your frustration enough and make a WRITTEN complaint, you will probably receive some sort of compensation at the least.
I’m currently dealing with a claim on my car. My car was parked at a roadside parking area. It looked like someone with a trailer swiped the entire side. I have comprehensive/collision. Should be an easy claim. It’s been 80 days. $3500 in rental fees. They closed the claim and reopened it. A week ago they said it’s a total loss. Im on 3rd agent. I have no car, no income . Bout to go buy a car. The day of the claim I was going to take my cat to the vet , a snowstorm came through and I didn’t go. I had to turn in a receipt that I actually took my cat to a vet 2 weeks later. Come up with pics of my car prior to accident. Which wasn’t easy to do. I said , we have a contract. The burden on proof this didn’t happen is on you. I turned in verification I was at a business 1/3 mile from where car was hit 15 minutes after I realized it was hit. I’ll try the demand letter route. The insurance commission hasn’t been any help
If you enjoy flying but hate the airport rigamarole, I highly recommend calling your local small airport FBO (fixed base operator) and scheduling an introductory flight with a flight instructor. They will handle the takeoff and landing, take you up and have you do some basic maneuvers. I was immediately hooked and am pursuing my private pilot license. It's a fantastic hobby, and there's no TSA agents or airline headaches.
@@firstname4337 Sure is, it's a pretty expensive hobby. Private pilot will cost around $4000; there are more expensive hobbies but it's certainly not cheap. You can purchase a little Cessna pretty cheap, but even so, the annual maintenance on plane ownership can be pretty brutal, especially the inspections. My instructor recommended fractional ownership or club membership once I pass my checkride as an economical way to build hours and get used to all the costs and maintenance before I decide to buy my own.
@@Hatbox948 The license is definitely a huge expense; plane rental once licensed can be more economical than an airline ticket for regional or shorter flights, but it's hard to beat an airliner on price for 1000+ miles unless you are being subsidized somehow or own the plane (and even so, maintenance costs can be a killer)
Speaking of funny names et al, here is a story that actually happened. Trans World Airlines had just opened up a new route in the community that I was living in. They are more commonly known as TWA. They had a P.R. representative promoting the new airline in town so to speak. They had a table full of light refreshments, and were handing out free goodies. As I walked up to the table, the lady satarted in saying things like "would you like some TWA coffee?" or "would you like some TWA cookies?" and so on. Me, being a long time tea drinker..... (do you know where this is going?) I said (without thinking about it) I'd like some TWA tea. We both had a good laugh!
Somewhere I remember a citizen winning a lawsuit against a city but they straight up refused to pay. Why was this option not presented I wonder? Can this type of collection enforcement be used against a city? Walk into the mayor’s office and take his desk!
I heard somewhere that hauling away their cash registers is a good way to get their attention. Makes you think about what else would be a strategic best choice.
I just wanted to say thank you. Your comment about the District Court just prompted me to have a look at how the different courts work in the US compared to the UK and it was ineresting to see how Michigan works. Relevant to this video, according to the Michigan Court's website "small claims cases are heard by a division of the district court" and it's the same in the UK, although the limit is higher in the UK - US$12k compared to, I think, US$3k in Michigan. I was interested to read that the District Court covers both civil and criminal cases. In the UK, the equivalent civil cases would be heard by the County Court and the equivalent criminal cases would be heard by the Magistrates Court. A judge would not sit in both the civil side and criminal side at the same time, also there are no juries in criminal trials at this level. Likewise with the Circuit Court, ours is split between civil and criminal. The Crown Court hears the same sort sort of criminal cases that your Circuit Court does, as well as appeals from the lower level. A civil appeal from the County Court would usually go to the High Court. With civil cases it all gets a lot more complicated. The UK equivalent of the Circuit Court for civil cases is probably the High Court. But, in general, this is only for cases where the claim is for more than £100k (US$120k) or £50k (US$60k) for personal injuries. From the Michigan Court website, the Michigan Circuit Court deals with civil claims from US$25k. I was also interested to read that the Family Division appears to be wholly part of the Circuit Court in Michigan. In the UK, the large majority of Family Division courts are at the District Court level with most private law matters like divorces and child contact orders etc being handled at this level. Public law matters, such as a Local Authority making an application to safeguard the welfare of a child etc or high value private law cases around divorce are heard in the High Court.
In Ilinois you can get a judgement, but you will never see a dime. Especially against former tenants. The only way to get your money from a former tenant is when the tenant finds out that they can't get a house or apartment because of past judgements and they cough up the money real fast. I have had that happen two times.
You should watch "Pay or will will take it away" in one episode they went after Delta knowing they had a owned plane (not leased) boarding, that they were going to take away. the UK seems to accept cards and bank transfer, they don't seem to like checks.
GREAT STORY! Question though: When you win against a city police department or municipality and they don't pay, how is the bailiff supposed to serve the paperwork against his "own people" and start grabbing items of value? What would you do in this situation?
@@2004RADMAN You can only seize property they own, and the property in the property room is usually either illegal to possess (drugs held as evidence, for example), stolen property (that still belongs to a rightful owner, but I'd find it wildly hilarious if they seized something you already owned to pay off your judgment), or other stuff that's being held or some reason but isn't owned by the cops.
The court should add 20% interest compounded monthly after the deadline. The turd that is tempted to "make you work for it" would then have to pay you to "work for it".
Read the Mail on Sunday then, Tony Hetherington has been tracking Wizz for about a year and their refusal to honour the CCJ's against them for customer compensation.
I feel like if I'd struggle to pay it. I'd go "I'd have to do payments because I don't have the money now." Seeing how garnishment is something a court can do, that would be a form of payment just the terms would have to get figured out. Now clearly you can't argue terms when you had time to start making payments or some act of good faith.
Yes. I would imagine once the judgement was made you are contacted to discuss payment/payment plan. That's one letter you don't want to ignore or the baliff will turn up and there is no further opportunity to negotiate.
@9:56 I had already seen the hondo as you leant slightly to the right and I had been searching, so decided it must be behind you, then there it was. Just a glimpse of the edge, but quite often that is all you get see of it anyway. Thanks for deciding to show where it was when you thought we may not have been able to find it.
Hi Steve, another Appalling airline BRITISH AIRWAYS. Me and my wife were flying from Antigua to London Gatwick and were denied boarding because BA computer couldn’t generate our boarding passes. We were dumped by BA supervisor with no help with taxis hotels or transit visa which had run out 🤬 we spoke to BA live chat in London a few hours later from our hotel and they said sorry but get BA supervisor to rebook your ticket in the morning but your have to pay again. In the morning we got back to the airport but the BA supervisor refused ! I showed him my message from BA London so he backed down. He then spent 1 hour booking our tickets, I said to him will your computer be able to generate our boarding passes this time , he confirmed yes, but there was no seats for 2 weeks 😡 we had to pay for hotels food and taxis. We did fly but BA refuse to refund our money which is up to £4800. We are looking now for UK solicitor who’s field is bad airlines to contact us to take BA to court.
If this is something which happened in the UK, all you really need is sufficient evidence to convince a court that everything happened, of costs incurred and that it was the fault of BA. You'd only need a solicitor if you can't personally appear in court and the court will not accept a written statement of evidence from you instead of a personal presence.
Been watching for over a year and never once have i heard you talk about an asset protection attorney and i think this would have been great for a story like this (or next Friday on the other channel). Cant asset protection attorney's make the judgement almost impossible to be satisfied?
Here in Canada there are limitations on what can be seized for personal lawsuits. For example: they can't seize any property that is used to garner income. I'm not 100% on this part, but I also believe that they also can't seize real estate if it's your primary residence. (Unless of course the lawsuit was over said property).
Wizz Air is actually a fairly large low-cost airline in Europe. Kind of like Ryan Air. I think they're based in Hungary and they're mostly known for random flight cancellations, delays and headaches.
Random flight cancellations, delays, and headaches. That was implied when you said low-cost airline lol. Probably still worlds better than Spirit or Allegiant in the US.
If it hasn't already been mentioned, there's a British TV show called Can't Pay We'll Take it Away! There are several TH-cam channels with full episodes. It's pretty interesting
Great story Steve...in Georgia we call this a levy and usually County Deputy Sheriff’s present it to the dependent that lost. I have done this several times...works great. My fav story is the big corp in downtown ATL who ignored my garnishment of one of their employees...ignoring it resulted in a judgment in my fav, not on the employee, but to them. Went to the sheriff’s office where me and a deputy headed downtown. Deputy asks me what items do I want ( this was about $2500 judgment). I said I want the computer and desk from the presidents office...deputy laughs, but gets on the elevator...he is back in 20 minutes with my check...also did the same to Walmart...that day I got cash right in one of their stores.
The "loser" will not be the lease company since the person/company against whom the judgment is given will have to replace those items. But I don't imagine there are enough ficus trees in pots to satisfy a sizeable judgment.
A lien on the company headquarters has worked. The WSJ reported it in the 70s or 80s. It made the corporate annual report look bad to have a lien on your headquarters.
That almost happened recently. Guy had tickets with Delta, flights were cancelled and so he asked for his money back... After over a year of it not coming, he took them to court and get the judgement - still nothing... So the guy sent in the High Court Enforcement Officers who turned up to Heathrow Airport and "arrested" the aircraft as the most valuable item around until the bill was settled
I've seen bailiffs programs before, one was for race cars, and another was at an airport. But there are also so many where people are evicted which is sad.
Steve, I also do not care very much about the air lines any longer. What an unusual story, interesting also. I wonder why English is so different in all the places in the world where it is the native language? Thank you for sharing this story Steve.
The one that comes to mind is the one in FL where the guy's house got foreclosed on erroneously. Sued the bank, won, they didn't pay, got the bailiff to go seize stuff, and ended up with control over their HQ temporarily or something like that before they finally paid him what was owed.
Within minutes of the cops starting to unload the building
Amazing how fast banks pay their debts when you start taking their stuff
@@TheBeanHome and yet, the cops didn't keep taking through civil asset forfeiture. That bank made some of that money through crime, so all of it came from crime.
Thanks! Hadn't read that story.
11:40 ✈️ Airplane Repo Agent reality TV was one of my favorites...
They'd pay up or he'd have a plane to fly /sell.
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Imagine being on a plane that's all loaded up ready to go, and you hear an announcement: "I'm sorry, but we're going to have to cancel this flight because the aircraft has been seized by a bailiff."
Probably wouldn't refund the flights because the bailiff canceled the flight not them.
I love how every airline's explanation of terrible service boils down to 'We clearly can't competently operate our business.'
Apparently we need more articles about Wiz Air because I don't think Steve has gotten done saying it enough times.
you could say that Wizz Air thought the guy that got the judgement was taking the piss.
I am not native English speaker and my skills with this language are fairly limited so I was wondering through the video that why was he focusing on the name so much. I can not find explanation here in the comments either. Would any of you here be willing to provide it for me?
_"Also, Dude... 'Wiz' is not the preferred nomenclature... 'WIZZ Air', please."_
@@justskip4595 “Wizz-ing” is American slang for urinating.
New drinking game.
In Texas, a major oil company failed to pay their property tax on a processing plant for three years. A man paid the back taxes and became the legal owner of a multi billion dollar company. He put a lock on the gate and the security contacted the office. they bought their property back for over half a million in cash and stock. they always made sure the property tax was paid on time and in full after that. The man is reported to have said "thank you" as he got the cashiers check and stock certificate as he removed the locks from the gate.
To the best of my knowledge, the concept of acquiring property by paying the back taxes is a uniquely US invention.
@@KaiHenningsen it stems from English common law IIRC which means it would have been a British thing first
Cool story bro... not really how delinquent property tax sales go, but whatever
@@thomasrogers8239England doesn't have property taxes, never has, not in the way the US has them. So it can't come from UK common law.
The UK has a seperate system but paying someone else's council tax gives you no rights at all (the council may even refuse payment as your name is not on the account). Failure to pay your council tax in the UK also will not result in your home been repossessed without first going through about 30 steps before it (including likely sending you to prison, its actually a crime not to pay, one of only the few debt related crimes still on the books in the UK).
@@manbunmyname5866 actually it is:
"If you don't pay the delinquent amount, your home will be sold at a public auction to the highest bidder. The minimum bid must be at least the lesser of:
- the aggregate amount of the judgments against the property, or
- the home's market value. (Tex. Tax Code § 33.50(b).)
(...)The winning bidder (or the county) then gets a deed (title) to your home, subject to the right of redemption."
If no one else bid, the guy basically paid the back taxes and legally owned the business.
My family got bumped from a connecting flight due to overbooking. The airline tried to appease us with a voucher for a future flight. Fortunately, I did a little research and got the compensation lawfully due, in cash and on the spot. It was several times the amount of the voucher being offered and practically paid for the trip.
They are lawfully allowed to give you a voucher, or less - if that's what you accept. They are NOT required to give you anything more, unless you don't accept it.
@Canyousay Itsjustaname just stop
@@ThereIsNoOtherHandleLikeMine Per the department of transportation, if you are involuntarily bumped. 0 to 1 hour arrival delay, No compensation. 1 to 2 hour arrival delay, 200% of one-way fare (airlines may limit the compensation to $775 if 200% of the one-way fare is higher than $775). Over 2 hour arrival delay, 400% of one-way fare (airlines may limit the compensation to $1,550 if 400% of the one-way fare is higher than $1,550).
Did this exceed the cost of the flight tickets?
@@Illyria1217 That's awesome. The one thing not specified is how do they determine the one-way fare price? Is it the price for a same-day flight that day? Is it the lowest price in the last 90 days? Is it the price of the *very* coincidental flash sale that was just active for 60 seconds at the moment you were bumped?
This happened with either Wells Fargo or BOA. They wrongly foreclosed on a guy's house. He didn't even have a mortgage let alone through them. He won a large judgement and they refused to pay. So he got an order, went to a branch with law enforcement, and threatened to seize everything. They had no choice but to pay.
bank of America
I think the big story was BOA but it wouldn't surprise me if Wells Fargo got the same, they seem to have done a bunch of dodgy stuff.
Too big to be competent
I worked for Wells Fargo Home Mortgage. It had to be them.
This is the thing that worries me right now. Wells Fargo acquired my mortgage several years ago. I have 5 years left on my mortgage, and have never missed a payment, yet I am terrified they will pull a stunt like this on me once my mortgage is paid off. This is also the reason I pay by check, so that i have a paper trail of every payment in addition to bank records, in case they try to pull the old "we never received the payment" bull-crap.
I was taking a shot every time Steve said "Wizz Air" but I died of alcohol poisoning at around 3:45 -- luckily my tickets to heaven were booked in advance on Wizz Air and the cancelled my fight so I get to stay in this mortal realm.
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😂😂...now that's funny!
Lmaoo
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My sister once got a judgement that they did not pay, a sheriff went to their retail location with the judgement, not enough in cash register to pay judgement. Sheriff told them to start selling stuff because they also have to pay the sheriff for how long he is there. She said some customers got some great deals.
This happens fairly often in the UK. They even have a few reality shows about bailiffs and high court enforcement officers collecting on judgements. It seems like once a season an airline is involved, sometimes even large name brand airlines. Plus, over there, if you make them chase you that added expense keeps on getting added on. One $1500 debt ended up costing over $4500. If they have to seize goods, or even bring in transport, that's added on, too.
The show is "Can't pay? We'll take it away"
Yes that is the show Love it
"We're about to clamp an airplane"
I saw one of those and the debtor was Delta Airlines. Delta got shut down at one of the major airports. Nobody was alowed to check in and no flights could move during a rather busy time until they paid. They ended up paying. 😂😂
I have to wonder...if businesses are refusing to pay, knowing that delaying like that will cost them extra, they must do it for a reason. Perhaps they save more money than they lose because people give up?
Can you imagine the poor girl at the Wizz Air counter at the airport when these guys walked up, demanding £4,500? Not her best day at work, that's for sure.
Yes and something she has no control over just being a clerk.
It would have been £4.5k plus their fees which would have added a minimum of £500
Eh, she probably just went “Not my problem, lemme get my supervisor.” :p
4500$ is nothing
I love it when a company says "We fell short of our own expectations" when they get caught dragging their feet on even the minimum effort to correct the situation.
Minimum expectation for all workers including management is to not cause the company avoidable legal trouble.
Somebody definitely failed that part.
must be some pretty low expectations
We had one of those locally a few years ago. Once they started loading furniture on trucks outside the secretary found someone who was able to cut a check to make it stop. Apparently the business called the cops and once they talked to someone higher up they were helping load stuff. Somebody notified the local news and it was broadcast on location.
The fact that a hospital executive can order a ride from a helicopter on such short notice explains why hospitals charge such rediculous fees.
Repo/ Unplug 🏨🔌life support ⚙️
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If I were the bailiff I would have taken the furniture. Sure it's not worth as much as some of the medical supplies, but at least it won't effect patient care.
Not necessarily. My parents are both self-employed (architect and accountant), and we once had a flight from Montserrat to Antigua (to get a connecting flight back to the US) cancelled the day of. My mom called a local helicopter sightseeing charter company, and they were able to fly us to Antigua. It was expensive, but my mom knew she'd be able to pressure the airline to reimburse her, and it did require some threats, but she got her money back.
They can also throw organs and a surgeons on a helicopter on short notice. Needing that system in place explains why organ transplants are so expensive.
Bailiff: Sorry sir you wont be getting your kidney transplant today we are seizing that organ to cover the hospital's legal judgements
"Obviously, if you're buying tickets on 'Wizz Air', your expectations are quite high."
You can do this in the US as well. Check your local Small Claims Court limits, some are as high as $5-6000. You can sue, win a judgment, and if they don’t pay have the bailiff go to their location to repossess items equal to the value of your judgment. You can hire an attorney for this or if you’re savvy/daring you can do it yourself.
In my case they didn’t have an attorney show up so I presented my evidence and was given a judgement. They don’t have an attorney show to make it more difficult for you to collect but its also fairly easy to win if you provide evidence.
The limit is $20,000 in Texas. The fee to go to court is $34 and if you can show you can't afford that, the government may waive it for you. If someone owes you money and you can't afford a lawyer, that's not much of a reason to give up. I may have to do it myself soon.
In the UK, where this story is from, the limit is £10k (US$12k)
12K in Pa
I absolutely love that they can just show up to some business and are like "Pay up or we're taking stuff".
Love the stories about bailiffs trying to collect $ from the big companies!
Please!! More stories like this...
Sticking it to the man!
I almost did something similar when I sued a healthcare company for overbilling and won. They ignored my request for the refund check. I sent them a fax saying I would send the deputies with a writ of execution to seize and sell their computers, to cover both the $1,700 judgment and the collection costs this would incur, and good luck with HIPAA if that happens! They sent me a check by FedEx overnight.
I sent the Sheriff out (cost be 50 bucks) to a property to serve a foreclosure notice one day after it was due. The creep was not going to pay me...I had a check the next day , and , it was good. 17K.
There's a show in the UK called "Can't pay, we'll take it away". After a judgement is won in the high court, private bailiffs show up to enforce-immediately-either by payment or seizing goods to cover it. Interesting show covers the operations of a bailiff company. They have episodes on TH-cam.
I love the hospital story. Show up with a fleet of rental trucks.
I'm shocked to find out that judges don't like when companies ignore their judgements...
Did Steve mention the name of the airline that got sued? I need to pay closer attention I suppose
In NZ all the costs associated with collecting the judgement get added, including interest at a penalty rate, starts to add up.
If Wizz Air did that to me I'd be PISSED OFF too 😂
Former coach once said: It's better to be pissed off than pissed on.
I see what you did there!
Yeah, I'd be PIZZED off too😂😂😂
Groan……
overbooking is a criminal act, to wit selling something (seat) that is NOT theirs to sell...!
I've done the same thing, although the company I sent the bailiffs to had closed down. However, after a delay of several months, once you win judgement (which for that sort of amount you can do at the small claims court), after a month or so you then have to pay a separate fee to send the bailiff round. You then have to wait for several months (as I remember as it was a long time ago), and then you will get a sheet of paper with about 30 reasons why the visit was unsuccessful, and one explanation that they have received goods to the approximate value. Typically it will be one of the reasons why the visit was unsuccessful that is ticked! And if they do actually seize goods, then you have to wait a further delay for them to be auctioned. It's a really slow process.
years ago my wife was rear ended by an uninsured driver. he didn't pay, she went to small claims court and got a judgement and he still never paid. 10-12 years later she gets a call from the guys new bride saying they just got married and are in the process of buying a house but have to clear up the judgement. She asked my wife how much it would take to clear the judgement. My wife told her the full amount plus interest. She ended up with a check for close to 20k, we remodeled the kitchen with the unexpected funds.
Important point here that people on dashcam channels always miss. Just because someone hasn't gotten insurance doesn't mean they don't have to pay for the damages they caused.
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Damn! Nice windfall
"I just wish there was a means to fly without airlines." Oh man, we are one in the same on that issue. I haven't flown since....gosh, when did the TSA become a thing?
Right after 9/11
November 19, 2001
It's called "flying private". Going to cost a lot more money.
Catapult!
@@corssecurity as unrealistic this is, the sky's around their launch pads would be a lot more exciting haha!
Years ago I won a judgement against an individual who then stonewalled paying. So I quietly put a lien against their house and then just forgot about it. One day some years later I received a call from his divorce attorney asking to pay me out as part of dividing their assets. Unfortunately I don't think you can do the same with an airline's jet.
Why not?
@@PromptCriticalJello Just seizing a jet so they can't make scheduled flight would 1. probably get you paid in a hell of a hurry, 2. be a delightful bit of irony, and 3. Cost them a small fortune compensating he people whose flight got delayed or cancelled. Unfortunately there's no way a jet is going to be seized when there's all sorts of other property with a value that's vastly closer to the amount of the judgment. There's also the practical matter of who owns the jet. There's probably not a registration in the glove compartment to easily show ownership, and many planes are actually leased (though less likely with a major airline).
@@suedenim9208 In the US, it's easy to look up ownership info on aircraft if you have their tail number. The FAA maintains a public registry of that info. (For curiosity's sake, I have sometimes looked up the owners of helicopters and planes used in movies.)
@@suedenim9208 Did you watch Steve's video yesterday about the Craigslist car law suit. He goes over what the title of something is. Short answer, it's not the piece of paper.
But i was wondering why OP though he couldn't put a lien on a plane, not seize it.
Bailiffs can pretty much seize anything and everything so long as it belongs to the company they are seizing from though the plane would be the last thing they try to seize as from an obvious view seizing it will make it hard for them to make money
i love the visual of the douche ceo telling the guy
"i know you have a Writ but you will wait till monday until i let you execute, the important people are golfing rn"
then getting hung up on and having to call back to say
"well actually....ill helicoptor over and write you a check now"
The New Jersey Port authority had such a judgement executed at thei NYC office and they basically emptied the NJPA office.
That is almost impossible to do here in New Zealand. I had a court order and to get the bailiff to seize property and evict a tenant. I had to note the property down, including serial numbers that was to be seized. How the hell could I do that? I went route of hiring a couple of huge gang members and we went around and turfed the guy out. He didn't have enough stuff of value to pay the debt anyway.
It's usually similar in the USA. Evicting non-paying tenants can be very difficult (laws vary by state), and you got a better chance of seeing God than getting your back rent.
@@the_mowron my family has done real estate where I am for a long time and have never had a problem getting a tenant out. I mean, there is a specific process that takes time, but it was just a waiting game until you can call the sheriff and they will meet with you while you change the locks.
However, I know someone in another state where it has gotten very hard. He has got to the point were he just tells them he will give back their full security deposit if they are out in 48 hours and he says he has never had one turn him down and he keeps his promise as its costs less for him than the eviction process.
Renters is not at all related to the topic at hand...
@@jacobortega3424 video is about seizing an airlines posessions to get money thry owed. Comment was about seizing a renters posessions to get money they owed(and also evict them). Seems related to me.
@@drewgraham the laws regarding both are incredibly different.
Lol, the hospital story is awesome.
Be so funny to see the bailiff started rolling out patients into the back of a truck.
Or if one of the bailiffs at the airport is a pilot. Takes one of the Jets and flys off.
Would be the most legendary story of all time.
This reminds me of the time a few years ago where the guy had a judgement against a bank, who still didn't pay up, so he did the same thing, showing up at one of the bank branches with a Sherriff ready to start taking office furniture and computers to cover the judgement, lol. It made news for a guy "foreclosing on a bank".
I was flying years ago from a small town in Canada to Tampa, Fl. and had to go through Toronto, I got to the gate in Toronto, and got bumped from that flight. There was only one flight a day with that airline going to Tampa. The airline refund for that part of the trip, and booked me on that same flight the next day, and said see you tomorrow. I said where am i going to stay, they said you have money, (speaking about the refund) you can get a hotel. I said it was your airline that bumped me, it is up to you to find a place for me. and a few minutes they booked me into a hotel downtown for one night. At least I stood up for my self. and saved over $100.00 in added costs. Even at a young age, I knew my rights.
WOOOOOOOW! That was a fun one Steve! Thank you! You're a great storyteller.
we LOVE LOVE LOVE hearing stories like this. that damn golfer guy story needs to be plastered across the internet, tiktok,etc...
I remember WOW Airlines that suddenly died a horrible death, and passengers were stranded in Iceland. Scary thing was I almost booked a flight with them. A lot of these lower tier airlines, seem to get away with murder nowadays. I know the aggravation of delayed and cancelled flights (avoid Philadelphia btw) . People actually book flight schedules for a reason.
Always avoid Philadelphia airport. The only airport where i have had things stolen out of my tool box. Not only once, but twice. Plus, it's just a bad airport in general.
And i'd be willing to bet that you were flying US airways. They were infamous for cancelling flights because there were not enough passengers. They didn't care that they were disrupting your entire schedule, they just didn't want to lose a little bit of money on a not very full flight. That's not how it works, i paid for a seat on that flight at that time, not some other flight at a different time.
@@jeromethiel4323 It was US Air. If you´re heading to a less than major city, you´re not important enough. You´re right, they want to to save money trying to fill up a later plane.
OTOH, my Guard unit flew into Philly coming back from Desert Shield/Desert Storm. After having our first alcoholic drinks in Nine Months, we then proceeded to walk through Security w/a weapon in weapons case in each hand w/out stopping….
@@jamessimms415 Sounds good, almost like fun. Glad to hear.
Back somewhere in the mid+ oo’s, I bought a helmet for bicycling to work in winter (Canada), shaped and coloured like what you wore (snowboard, Giro, Bad Lieutenant model lol). One time back near home, walking it on a busy sidewalk because traction otherwise, some guy walking past said to his GF “He doesn’t even know.”. But the days of spitting on returning soldiers seems to have passed. Cheers.
@@jeromethiel4323 PHL is the “work free, drug zone”
I think Steve REALLY enjoyed this episode....especially mentioning the name of the airline. 😄
I, for one, am not someone who publicly takes a Wizz. 😅
If you tricked the airline into paying you too much, you'd have taken a Wizz... 😏
Been there done that. One problem I had was to insure the property you want to take is theirs. Many times they can transfer all property to another legal entity to shield their property from collection.
In the UK, a court could rule that to be intentional fraud. But to avoid all of that bother, sheriffs often seize property at least on paper on their first visit if they can't get immediate payment. That way, no transfer of property is legal since the property belongs to the court until and unless the full payment is received.
The logic is that if they leave the equipment in place, the business may be able to trade its way out of difficulties and pay the judgement in full, but they need to make sure the equipment can't be transferred to someone else's name while this happens.
"Need to get there fast? Take a Wizz!" I'm a marketing genius.
"Need to get there fast? Take a Wizz, it's a piece of piss!"
My favorite story goes back to the 80's and has to do with Michelin Tires (French company) who had a judgement against them. The opposing attorney got a writ and had the court constables go down to the company HQ and chain the doors shut. No one could get into the building. The exec's showed up very quickly with a check book and paid the outstanding judgement. One does not simply thumb their nose at the American judicial system the court does have teeth.
It gives a whole new meaning to " wow I really got to take a wizz" 😳
Heard a guy interviewed on L.A. radio a few years back. Got a judgement against a bank branch (thought it was Wells Fargo, but won't swear to it). They didn't show up to the hearing and defaulted, just didn't care. He got the judgement and served them, they ignored it. He posted notices he was going to seize assets, they ignored it. Sent Sheriffs to inventory the branch to inventory assets, including computers and office furniture, they still just shrugged and made no effort to pay or even contact him. But, the guy was media savvy, and issued a press release. It went viral and generated tons of bad publicity and laughing. And suddenly the bank was _very_ interested in getting the payment settled. Didn't care until the media covered it. Maybe a couple of similar incidents, since there seems to be some back and forth in the comments about details and what bank. But I heard this story directly from the man involved, in an on-air live interview.
There is also the "Till Tap", when a Bailiff is assigned to stand next to the cash register in a business such as a restaurant or retail store, and collects proceeds before cash payments make it into the till.
There was another story about a company not paying up on s judgement in England. It might have been FedEx. The plaintiff then sent the bailiffs in and they started to confiscate office equipment until someone came with a check for the full amount. There they can do that. The corporate lawyers failed to appear causing a summary judgment then balked at the court’s judgment. So the plaintiff had the last laugh.
But you can also apply to the court to have the judgment set aside if you can provide compelling reasons such as a non serving of the original writ because that is hedged by specific circumstances to make sure that the people against the claim is being made have received it.
It is hard to do but possible but non attendance is not normally accepted as a reason to withdraw judgment, but Wizz are known to stonewall on CCJ's and have in excess of 400 unsatisfied ones outsanding according to a story run by Tony Hetherington in a Sunday newspaper about 2 weeks back.
Everytime Steve says "wizz air" you have to take a drink.
I just love the picture of them showing up at the airport and saying "Well if you don't have the money, let's see... that plane is probably worth something; let's take that." I bet they feel a little disappointed when to company just hands them a check; I'm sure they were looking forward to taking stuff. People like taking stuff, and if you can do it legally, that's just icing on the cake.
I going to tell you how backwards my brain is. When I read the title Man Sues Airline and Wins in Spectacular Fashion, I though the video was about the man's outfit. lol
Ben directly behind Steve's head leaning against the center smaller mic!
This is actually really funny. I work for a certain type of insurance company - we deal with thousands of claims every week and if you're in the UK, you've 100% seen banners and adverts advertising us. You've probably had one of our theme songs stuck in your head from TV, even.
Just the other week, the bailiffs turned up at one of our main offices (because one of our agents accidentally lost track of an ongoing claim for such a long time.) It was such an embarrassing event. The bailiff guys didn't take anything - my buddy just went downstairs and cut them a cheque.
But seriously, this type of thing does happen sometimes. Insurance claim handlers are often just minimum wage, poorly trained slaves to our corporate overlords. Human error and insane workloads and anyone can make a mistake. Hold your insurance accountable, insist you be given a timeline for your claim and chase them whenever that timeline is exceeded. It probably won't hurry things up, but if you show your frustration enough and make a WRITTEN complaint, you will probably receive some sort of compensation at the least.
Written complaint is important. Most companies if not the courts will accept e-mail as a written document, although some don't so do check.
I’m currently dealing with a claim on my car. My car was parked at a roadside parking area. It looked like someone with a trailer swiped the entire side. I have comprehensive/collision. Should be an easy claim. It’s been 80 days. $3500 in rental fees. They closed the claim and reopened it. A week ago they said it’s a total loss. Im on 3rd agent. I have no car, no income . Bout to go buy a car. The day of the claim I was going to take my cat to the vet , a snowstorm came through and I didn’t go. I had to turn in a receipt that I actually took my cat to a vet 2 weeks later. Come up with pics of my car prior to accident. Which wasn’t easy to do. I said , we have a contract. The burden on proof this didn’t happen is on you. I turned in verification I was at a business 1/3 mile from where car was hit 15 minutes after I realized it was hit. I’ll try the demand letter route. The insurance commission hasn’t been any help
sometimes even a judgement is not enough to force the big cheese to accede to the verdict so a seizing of property is the only way
If you enjoy flying but hate the airport rigamarole, I highly recommend calling your local small airport FBO (fixed base operator) and scheduling an introductory flight with a flight instructor. They will handle the takeoff and landing, take you up and have you do some basic maneuvers. I was immediately hooked and am pursuing my private pilot license. It's a fantastic hobby, and there's no TSA agents or airline headaches.
taking flying lessons is incredibly expensive -- as is renting a plane once you have your license
But isn't the plane a huge expense?
@@firstname4337 Sure is, it's a pretty expensive hobby. Private pilot will cost around $4000; there are more expensive hobbies but it's certainly not cheap. You can purchase a little Cessna pretty cheap, but even so, the annual maintenance on plane ownership can be pretty brutal, especially the inspections. My instructor recommended fractional ownership or club membership once I pass my checkride as an economical way to build hours and get used to all the costs and maintenance before I decide to buy my own.
@@Hatbox948 The license is definitely a huge expense; plane rental once licensed can be more economical than an airline ticket for regional or shorter flights, but it's hard to beat an airliner on price for 1000+ miles unless you are being subsidized somehow or own the plane (and even so, maintenance costs can be a killer)
@@TheCountExtreme Oh wow.
As an Instrument Rated pilot I must agree with you wholeheartedly!
I'm not afraid of flying, I'm afraid of Airlines.
Ben - Steve highlights your location.
Great story, Steve! I especially liked the ending statement by the lady.
Speaking of funny names et al, here is a story that actually happened.
Trans World Airlines had just opened up a new route in the community that I was living in. They are more commonly known as TWA. They had a P.R. representative promoting the new airline in town so to speak. They had a table full of light refreshments, and were handing out free goodies. As I walked up to the table, the lady satarted in saying things like "would you like some TWA coffee?" or "would you like some TWA cookies?" and so on. Me, being a long time tea drinker..... (do you know where this is going?) I said (without thinking about it) I'd like some TWA tea.
We both had a good laugh!
I think it was also TWA that called their in flight movies 'theatre in the sky.' You could've asked what the TITS movie was
Somewhere I remember a citizen winning a lawsuit against a city but they straight up refused to pay. Why was this option not presented I wonder? Can this type of collection enforcement be used against a city? Walk into the mayor’s office and take his desk!
It took far too long, but the disgruntled customer finally received satisfaction from Wizz Air in a shower of gold. (I just _couldn't_ resist.)
Really, really needs to be a groan button.
@@stephensteinhauer3346 😎 Agree.
Yuk
Liked to hear justice was served! Thanks Steve!
I heard somewhere that hauling away their cash registers is a good way to get their attention. Makes you think about what else would be a strategic best choice.
Lehto's Law INTERNATIONAL - English case example, Canadian Tee-Shirt and based in good ole Michigan USA! Love it! Great video as always. Thanks.
I just wanted to say thank you. Your comment about the District Court just prompted me to have a look at how the different courts work in the US compared to the UK and it was ineresting to see how Michigan works.
Relevant to this video, according to the Michigan Court's website "small claims cases are heard by a division of the district court" and it's the same in the UK, although the limit is higher in the UK - US$12k compared to, I think, US$3k in Michigan.
I was interested to read that the District Court covers both civil and criminal cases. In the UK, the equivalent civil cases would be heard by the County Court and the equivalent criminal cases would be heard by the Magistrates Court. A judge would not sit in both the civil side and criminal side at the same time, also there are no juries in criminal trials at this level.
Likewise with the Circuit Court, ours is split between civil and criminal. The Crown Court hears the same sort sort of criminal cases that your Circuit Court does, as well as appeals from the lower level. A civil appeal from the County Court would usually go to the High Court.
With civil cases it all gets a lot more complicated. The UK equivalent of the Circuit Court for civil cases is probably the High Court. But, in general, this is only for cases where the claim is for more than £100k (US$120k) or £50k (US$60k) for personal injuries. From the Michigan Court website, the Michigan Circuit Court deals with civil claims from US$25k.
I was also interested to read that the Family Division appears to be wholly part of the Circuit Court in Michigan. In the UK, the large majority of Family Division courts are at the District Court level with most private law matters like divorces and child contact orders etc being handled at this level. Public law matters, such as a Local Authority making an application to safeguard the welfare of a child etc or high value private law cases around divorce are heard in the High Court.
In Ilinois you can get a judgement, but you will never see a dime.
Especially against former tenants.
The only way to get your money from a former tenant is when the tenant finds out that they can't get a house or apartment because of past judgements and they cough up the money real fast.
I have had that happen two times.
You should watch "Pay or will will take it away" in one episode they went after Delta knowing they had a owned plane (not leased) boarding, that they were going to take away. the UK seems to accept cards and bank transfer, they don't seem to like checks.
I vaguely recall them turning up at the Airbus factory. I could be wrong though.
I actually read this on the BBC before seeing this video. Didn't know I could listen to it instead. 😂
Wiz Air, The wizards of the air!
Agree on flying ,just the airlines ,not the emloyees ..
GREAT STORY! Question though: When you win against a city police department or municipality and they don't pay, how is the bailiff supposed to serve the paperwork against his "own people" and start grabbing items of value? What would you do in this situation?
Local sheriff or State Police.
As Qui-Gon said, there's always a bigger fish!
If it’s the police department, I’d get the local sheriff to seize the police chief’s official vehicle.
as said before, if fighting the city, you use county law enforcement, like sheriff or you can contact the state agency
I would clam the property room first. Might be cash in there.
@@2004RADMAN You can only seize property they own, and the property in the property room is usually either illegal to possess (drugs held as evidence, for example), stolen property (that still belongs to a rightful owner, but I'd find it wildly hilarious if they seized something you already owned to pay off your judgment), or other stuff that's being held or some reason but isn't owned by the cops.
The court should add 20% interest compounded monthly after the deadline. The turd that is tempted to "make you work for it" would then have to pay you to "work for it".
Very rare here in the UK but extremely satisfyingly to see, thank you 👌
Read the Mail on Sunday then, Tony Hetherington has been tracking Wizz for about a year and their refusal to honour the CCJ's against them for customer compensation.
Great UK show, "Don't Pay - We Will Take It Away". About High Court Baliffs.
Steve. Harry Chapin. The Taxi. That's how you fly without the airlines. Enjoy your channel.
Steve? Just a thought? A top 10 of story's just like this. This is great
I feel like if I'd struggle to pay it. I'd go "I'd have to do payments because I don't have the money now." Seeing how garnishment is something a court can do, that would be a form of payment just the terms would have to get figured out.
Now clearly you can't argue terms when you had time to start making payments or some act of good faith.
Yes. I would imagine once the judgement was made you are contacted to discuss payment/payment plan. That's one letter you don't want to ignore or the baliff will turn up and there is no further opportunity to negotiate.
@9:56 I had already seen the hondo as you leant slightly to the right and I had been searching, so decided it must be behind you, then there it was. Just a glimpse of the edge, but quite often that is all you get see of it anyway.
Thanks for deciding to show where it was when you thought we may not have been able to find it.
Hi Steve, another Appalling airline BRITISH AIRWAYS. Me and my wife were flying from Antigua to London Gatwick and were denied boarding because BA computer couldn’t generate our boarding passes. We were dumped by BA supervisor with no help with taxis hotels or transit visa which had run out 🤬 we spoke to BA live chat in London a few hours later from our hotel and they said sorry but get BA supervisor to rebook your ticket in the morning but your have to pay again. In the morning we got back to the airport but the BA supervisor refused ! I showed him my message from BA London so he backed down. He then spent 1 hour booking our tickets, I said to him will your computer be able to generate our boarding passes this time , he confirmed yes, but there was no seats for 2 weeks 😡 we had to pay for hotels food and taxis. We did fly but BA refuse to refund our money which is up to £4800. We are looking now for UK solicitor who’s field is bad airlines to contact us to take BA to court.
If this is something which happened in the UK, all you really need is sufficient evidence to convince a court that everything happened, of costs incurred and that it was the fault of BA. You'd only need a solicitor if you can't personally appear in court and the court will not accept a written statement of evidence from you instead of a personal presence.
They were wizzing in the wind
A company named "Wiz..." is destined to do so all over you. It's in the name!
I love that lady at the end of each episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The guy that went to the bank with the sheriff to do the same because the bank hadn't paid, that one comes to mind.
Love your stories, Steve.
Been watching for over a year and never once have i heard you talk about an asset protection attorney and i think this would have been great for a story like this (or next Friday on the other channel).
Cant asset protection attorney's make the judgement almost impossible to be satisfied?
Here in Canada there are limitations on what can be seized for personal lawsuits. For example: they can't seize any property that is used to garner income. I'm not 100% on this part, but I also believe that they also can't seize real estate if it's your primary residence. (Unless of course the lawsuit was over said property).
I never knew about the writ of execution. Thanks for sharing.
Wizz Air is actually a fairly large low-cost airline in Europe. Kind of like Ryan Air. I think they're based in Hungary and they're mostly known for random flight cancellations, delays and headaches.
Random flight cancellations, delays, and headaches. That was implied when you said low-cost airline lol. Probably still worlds better than Spirit or Allegiant in the US.
If it hasn't already been mentioned, there's a British TV show called Can't Pay We'll Take it Away! There are several TH-cam channels with full episodes. It's pretty interesting
There is a way to fly without dealing with the airlines, but its more expensive (private jet rental).
Since he had to pay an extra $4,500.00 , he probably would have been better off going that route to begin with.
Great story Steve...in Georgia we call this a levy and usually County Deputy Sheriff’s present it to the dependent that lost. I have done this several times...works great. My fav story is the big corp in downtown ATL who ignored my garnishment of one of their employees...ignoring it resulted in a judgment in my fav, not on the employee, but to them. Went to the sheriff’s office where me and a deputy headed downtown. Deputy asks me what items do I want ( this was about $2500 judgment). I said I want the computer and desk from the presidents office...deputy laughs, but gets on the elevator...he is back in 20 minutes with my check...also did the same to Walmart...that day I got cash right in one of their stores.
But Steve, what if they leased the chair and the potted plants?
The "loser" will not be the lease company since the person/company against whom the judgment is given will have to replace those items. But I don't imagine there are enough ficus trees in pots to satisfy a sizeable judgment.
The owner shows evidence that they own the seized items, and the items are returned. It really is as simple as that.
A lien on the company headquarters has worked. The WSJ reported it in the 70s or 80s. It made the corporate annual report look bad to have a lien on your headquarters.
Did they put a wheel clamp on a 737?
That almost happened recently. Guy had tickets with Delta, flights were cancelled and so he asked for his money back... After over a year of it not coming, he took them to court and get the judgement - still nothing... So the guy sent in the High Court Enforcement Officers who turned up to Heathrow Airport and "arrested" the aircraft as the most valuable item around until the bill was settled
If it was a max, I'd have to reconsider. Ha
I've seen bailiffs programs before, one was for race cars, and another was at an airport.
But there are also so many where people are evicted which is sad.
there's a first time for everything ... I just experienced mine ...
Which is?
Congratulations 🍒
Steve, I also do not care very much about the air lines any longer. What an unusual story, interesting also. I wonder why English is so different in all the places in the world where it is the native language? Thank you for sharing this story Steve.
Is it ok to take the piss out of Wizz Airlines? Asking for a friend.
Im glad that he explained the symbolic display for a writ of execution, otherwise it may have been interpreted as a satanic hand signal.