I am so excited to have this out! I think this is my first time having a guide series that goes beyond part 1. Part 3 of the Intermediate Guide will be an in-depth analysis of the Thief class, its unique interactions, and which missions are the most/least doable without it. Anyway if you're wondering how this series got its name, here is how I would classify basic skill levels (for stealth) Beginner- Can generally do lower difficulty missions, though with lots of mistakes or very slow. May not be able to complete certain missions at all. May or may not be capable of doing the easier Legend stealth missions, but generally Legend is out of reach. Intermediate- Can generally complete missions in all difficulties including Legend, though the harder missions may take some effort. Makes minor mistakes and uses sub-optimal strategies sometimes. Generally understands the steps needed for most missions but doesn't know the game inside out. Advanced- Legend stealth is considered easy, can do at least some of the easier armed/armored missions. In Ironman Legend Mixed, should be able to stealth BS/FN/DP/WD as an Infiltrator. Tryhard- Anything above advanced
Infiltrator and technician are basically the same, I honestly feel like people just hate on the opposite class for no reason, all of the arguments made here can almost be said about infiltrator, I personally think both are evenly useful.
@@duck6014 The technician doesn't have the 50% disguise effectiveness you get from the theif The technician also doesn't have access to lockpicking. Drilled doors are sus and get detected extremely quick. These 2 issues make the scientist, lakehouse, financier worse in every single way in which the detection rate is pretty high in general.
@@erner_wisal ok...? I didn't say anything about having multiple characters, I said that in a nutshell a technician doesnt compare with the infiltrator in stealth except in wd.
1:17 As an engineer (breacher) main, the basement door is the only door you shouldn’t bypass it’s sensors and open it in the deposit. That’s because any guards with keycard or no keycard can open this door if you open the vault. If you’re solo’ing this mission and bypassed AND opened the basement door then you’re gonna be having a trouble cuz in legend or any difficulties, there will be guard(s) (cam operators are not included) with keycard opening the inside-basement door and a guard with no keycard opening the outside-basement door due to the outside-basement door not having a keycard reader. This will… well, fail stealth if you haven’t hid the basement bodies. But however, it’s better if there are 2 players or more in your server (who can co-operate with you) and you can tell them to guard the door. You can do any methods or stuffs to prevent this but I won’t mention it or else this’ll turn into a wikipedia page. *Moral story, the basement door is highly unreliable.* Edit: You can bypass the sensors on upstairs cam operator if you’re on elite or legend, [Insert some understandings]
The only big difference with thief and engineer is one that has a lockpick to most doors that can just be drilled with precision drilling, and one that opens most doors that thief cannot open, just makes me feel that thief/infiltrator is a bit meh since u can commonly open doors with keycards and such (and drill the doors) you might be saying "Oh but what about the scientist", theres a back door that mostly noone goes to, but i would say thief is good for early, since low leveled players wont have precision drilling and may have slow drilling speed, and then it already depends on you if you still wanna stick with infil or tech (also i forgor💀 about killhouse, rip technicians, unless you duo with a infil)
Unof you should’ve mentioned the fact that the engineer skill tree allows you to access breaching charges and blowtorches easier as it requires less skill points to obtain them, it is an extremely useful thing to note especially for early game players or those who want to spend more skill points on something else useful
If you want to use Engineer in stealth then get the Prodigy perk as well to become a Technician. I would say the engineer is only useful in the Withdrawal. Well anyways what I said earlier was for normal gameplay. If you are more of a challenge guy then you can get the Breacher. It can be useful for doing Deposit no knockouts no kills (Which requires wallbang lol), Setup no disguise etc.
About the engineer, it can be one of the most useful assets in both loud and stealth. The C4 is one of the best features of the engineer as it poses as an all-round breaching tool and the best defensive stronghold in the game. Sensor shutdowns are also useful in all cases and just because a method exist doesn't make it the only one. Engineer is as good as the other classes.
I usually use a breacher. For me, I feel like the only essential class is the thief. It doesn’t matter if you are a hacker or engineer as both are only good for convenience. While engineers can’t hack computers or keycard readers, neither are required for a stealth mission. Also, since everyone uses infiltrator, it means going in a duo will likely mean I’ll have an infiltrator too. Also, breathers are much better in an iron man mixed run than an infiltrator will be. I feel that in the end it doesn’t matter what class you pick as both have their upsides and downsides.
1. Good luck doing The Cache without a hacker. 2. There is very little difference between breacher and infiltrator in loud. Both lack the +40 hp that mercenaries have and both would have some stealth perks instead of focusing only on loud perks. The +10% movement speed is negligible since most of the time will be spent staying behind cover (like behind Rose for example).
I understand some may want to play the engineer for stealth because leveling up multiple characters at once is a bit hard but you don't play Engi for stealth you play fro breach charges/c4 and the fire bug and other cool stuff and if you have juggernaut you are a one man army get the thumper, f47/saw-blade(if you want),and ammo vest and some weapon mastery perks and you can loud a level solo in minutes he is not made for stealth he is a fast breacher with good defense
in the deposit engineer on the basement door also isnt very useful since when you open the vault the stupid ai decides to go outside through the back instead of the stairs
@@kozakyw5573 Bro it is also a combination of thief which means it can do stealth as well. Most people think because commando is part mercenary it can't do stealth however it can do every mission stealth if you know what you are doing
@@kozakyw5573 It's mixed class that I personally use but the commando can't complete all of the Stealth missions on his own. He atleast needs a hacker or engineer to complete certain missions.
@@sonicdml4175 Why would you want to hostage them if you can just knock them out. Also, inflitrator have the keycard scrambler. witch is very usefull 'cuz there is like 4 types of keycards in this mission
"its prob not a good idea to male ut character a base engineer or else u might have problems completing missions as u level up" me who made an engi character just to grind withdrawal: rlly chuckled james
If you want to level up basic engineer, DON'T do financier since you dont have lockpick to enter the house and youll need to drill the door, which can be easily noticed even with precision drilling. I recommend SCRS and withdrawal
Infiltrator and technician are basically the same, I honestly feel like people just hate on the opposite class for no reason, all of the arguments made here can almost be said about infiltrator, I personally think both are evenly useful. So idk seems kinda pointless to have to decide wether one is better.
Explain how should I use technician on Killhouse stealth , 1 u have to use a drill which is a lot for risky 2 u will be detected faster than usual 3 less perks stealth related
If there’s only one change then is it worth the time and effort to remake the entire guide? Or would there be more changes than just “don’t take elite op disguise, precision-drill door instead”?
Hey, I just want to get advice from really good EP players on the discord server. However, 1. Im underage so im not gonna fake my own age. 2. I have no idea how to link my discord account to my roblox account, as I play mostly on xbox And mobile. Is there possibly any other thing I can do or any other server I can join to get help?
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I am so excited to have this out! I think this is my first time having a guide series that goes beyond part 1. Part 3 of the Intermediate Guide will be an in-depth analysis of the Thief class, its unique interactions, and which missions are the most/least doable without it. Anyway if you're wondering how this series got its name, here is how I would classify basic skill levels (for stealth)
Beginner- Can generally do lower difficulty missions, though with lots of mistakes or very slow. May not be able to complete certain missions at all. May or may not be capable of doing the easier Legend stealth missions, but generally Legend is out of reach.
Intermediate- Can generally complete missions in all difficulties including Legend, though the harder missions may take some effort. Makes minor mistakes and uses sub-optimal strategies sometimes. Generally understands the steps needed for most missions but doesn't know the game inside out.
Advanced- Legend stealth is considered easy, can do at least some of the easier armed/armored missions. In Ironman Legend Mixed, should be able to stealth BS/FN/DP/WD as an Infiltrator.
Tryhard- Anything above advanced
hey daddy unof
Infiltrator and technician are basically the same, I honestly feel like people just hate on the opposite class for no reason, all of the arguments made here can almost be said about infiltrator, I personally think both are evenly useful.
@@duck6014
The technician doesn't have the 50% disguise effectiveness you get from the theif
The technician also doesn't have access to lockpicking. Drilled doors are sus and get detected extremely quick.
These 2 issues make the scientist, lakehouse, financier worse in every single way in which the detection rate is pretty high in general.
@@HazardRiotThat's what multiple characters are made for
@@erner_wisal ok...? I didn't say anything about having multiple characters, I said that in a nutshell a technician doesnt compare with the infiltrator in stealth except in wd.
I believe that Engineer is only good with combinations, otherwise it becomes obsolete in both types of missions playouts
Engineer solo works in stealth if you grind withdrawal
@@yaboil7774 until you grind legend, which a keycard doesn’t naturally spawn.
@@ImNotFunny541 legend isn't super optimal for grinding anyways, the xp you get isn't much more than elite and is heavily rng based.
@@yaboil7774 oh…. So how much time in my life have I waisted grinding Withdrawal legend… it’s super easy though, along with Blackdusk and Lakehouse.
@@ImNotFunny541 just grind scrs legend, its not that hard when you get used to it. It gives alot of exp
1:17 As an engineer (breacher) main, the basement door is the only door you shouldn’t bypass it’s sensors and open it in the deposit. That’s because any guards with keycard or no keycard can open this door if you open the vault. If you’re solo’ing this mission and bypassed AND opened the basement door then you’re gonna be having a trouble cuz in legend or any difficulties, there will be guard(s) (cam operators are not included) with keycard opening the inside-basement door and a guard with no keycard opening the outside-basement door due to the outside-basement door not having a keycard reader. This will… well, fail stealth if you haven’t hid the basement bodies. But however, it’s better if there are 2 players or more in your server (who can co-operate with you) and you can tell them to guard the door. You can do any methods or stuffs to prevent this but I won’t mention it or else this’ll turn into a wikipedia page. *Moral story, the basement door is highly unreliable.*
Edit: You can bypass the sensors on upstairs cam operator if you’re on elite or legend, [Insert some understandings]
I once shot the sensors and they didn't go off is that supposed to work like that?
@@darkshadow2314 No, if you open a door with the sensors near to it, it’ll raise the alarm.
@@darkshadow2314 Or if you’re saying the sensors didnt turned off when you shot it. Yes, it works like that.
It’s not unreliable if you take everyone out!
2:59 guard casually walks normally while door is suspiciously open
The engineer and mercenary will always be the heroes of loud and the thief and hacker will always be the heroes of stealth.
And technician will still only be used for withdrawal stealth
That level 1 hacker is the menace of stealth
@@DDAS_INSANE zamber did ilfsnk technician first try :troll:
@@sunmariney.2877 some level 10 hacker joined my score daily challenge and i had an aneurysm
The only big difference with thief and engineer is one that has a lockpick to most doors that can just be drilled with precision drilling, and one that opens most doors that thief cannot open, just makes me feel that thief/infiltrator is a bit meh since u can commonly open doors with keycards and such (and drill the doors) you might be saying "Oh but what about the scientist", theres a back door that mostly noone goes to, but i would say thief is good for early, since low leveled players wont have precision drilling and may have slow drilling speed, and then it already depends on you if you still wanna stick with infil or tech (also i forgor💀 about killhouse, rip technicians, unless you duo with a infil)
Unof you should’ve mentioned the fact that the engineer skill tree allows you to access breaching charges and blowtorches easier as it requires less skill points to obtain them, it is an extremely useful thing to note especially for early game players or those who want to spend more skill points on something else useful
Whats blowtorch good for tho
@@aerospacemilitary605 the withdrawal stealth, loud missions especially the scientist etc
@@Tsubasa0504 ive only ever used it for withdrawal. Besides that, the drill has always been faster even if it takes more space
@@aerospacemilitary605 creating window in door is quite useful, and drill takes up too much space
If you want to use Engineer in stealth then get the Prodigy perk as well to become a Technician. I would say the engineer is only useful in the Withdrawal.
Well anyways what I said earlier was for normal gameplay. If you are more of a challenge guy then you can get the Breacher. It can be useful for doing Deposit no knockouts no kills (Which requires wallbang lol), Setup no disguise etc.
About the engineer, it can be one of the most useful assets in both loud and stealth. The C4 is one of the best features of the engineer as it poses as an all-round breaching tool and the best defensive stronghold in the game. Sensor shutdowns are also useful in all cases and just because a method exist doesn't make it the only one. Engineer is as good as the other classes.
"all round breacking tool" dawg, it can only be used in loud, tf u mean "all round"
ALL ROUND as in it can breach all doors in the game.
A infiltrator and an engineer is actually a very good duo
I usually use a breacher. For me, I feel like the only essential class is the thief. It doesn’t matter if you are a hacker or engineer as both are only good for convenience. While engineers can’t hack computers or keycard readers, neither are required for a stealth mission. Also, since everyone uses infiltrator, it means going in a duo will likely mean I’ll have an infiltrator too. Also, breathers are much better in an iron man mixed run than an infiltrator will be. I feel that in the end it doesn’t matter what class you pick as both have their upsides and downsides.
1. Good luck doing The Cache without a hacker.
2. There is very little difference between breacher and infiltrator in loud. Both lack the +40 hp that mercenaries have and both would have some stealth perks instead of focusing only on loud perks. The +10% movement speed is negligible since most of the time will be spent staying behind cover (like behind Rose for example).
I feel the engineer is the jack of all trades, it can go in both stealth and loud
I understand some may want to play the engineer for stealth because leveling up multiple characters at once is a bit hard but you don't play Engi for stealth you play fro breach charges/c4 and the fire bug and other cool stuff and if you have juggernaut you are a one man army get the thumper, f47/saw-blade(if you want),and ammo vest and some weapon mastery perks and you can loud a level solo in minutes he is not made for stealth he is a fast breacher with good defense
Now I can tell my friend to stop telling me to be a engineer
this feels like the equivalent of being against lockpicks since drills do the same thing
i've used technician for years i just find it fun
5:23 No wonder why Black Dusk Legend gave me PTSD...
SENTRY GOIN UP INTENSIFIES
HE USED THE ATLAS REJECTER SKIN WHAT A CHAD
my immersion was broken watching this lol
YEAH BOIII NEW VID FROM THE BIG OL' POGGER
in the deposit engineer on the basement door also isnt very useful since when you open the vault the stupid ai decides to go outside through the back instead of the stairs
It only works on rookie and prof once ur on op it’s how lucky u are and elite u stand no chance
The commando class is batter then the infiltrator in The Concept (in my opinion)
commando is thief and mercenary. Mercenary is loud class. You can't do Concept Loud. Useless
@@kozakyw5573 Bro it is also a combination of thief which means it can do stealth as well. Most people think because commando is part mercenary it can't do stealth however it can do every mission stealth if you know what you are doing
@@kozakyw5573
I think you can hostage elite guards with mercenary.
@@kozakyw5573
It's mixed class that I personally use but the commando can't complete all of the Stealth missions on his own. He atleast needs a hacker or engineer to complete certain missions.
@@sonicdml4175 Why would you want to hostage them if you can just knock them out. Also, inflitrator have the keycard scrambler. witch is very usefull 'cuz there is like 4 types of keycards in this mission
Your voice sounds deeper. I feel like Unoffical’s sick.
wasn't sick
I think I sound normal (?) lol, don't know
Nonetheless, unof (pronounced ooo-noff)'s voice is pretty calming
@@Unofficial_YT
So you are normally sick. We get it. I am glad you stopped making the stupid stream runs and got back to making guide videos.
Is your dad actually Builder Man?
I can confirm
my mom is telamon
Yes, can confirm.
"its prob not a good idea to male ut character a base engineer or else u might have problems completing missions as u level up"
me who made an engi character just to grind withdrawal: rlly chuckled james
I like to be engineer with friends and to use C4 to make loud even more fun
If you want to level up basic engineer, DON'T do financier since you dont have lockpick to enter the house and youll need to drill the door, which can be easily noticed even with precision drilling. I recommend SCRS and withdrawal
i found out that you can skip cutscenes by holding space bar
Is cashito gonna update soon? I found entry point right after everyone started to quit.
Yeah like never
cish will no longer update the game since the story is already complete
It's good thing you discovered the game. There is a lot to explore here.
a "new" dlc map was leaked so yes, entry point will get an update
@@1521mathew
What DLC? Do you mean the concept? It's not Canon and there is no achievement after you complete it so I didn't bother trying it.
The engineer is engi-here
I think engi is like for Pro players that can get classes reallly fast on high lvl bcz the engi can be really good with hacker
Infiltrator and technician are basically the same, I honestly feel like people just hate on the opposite class for no reason, all of the arguments made here can almost be said about infiltrator, I personally think both are evenly useful.
So idk seems kinda pointless to have to decide wether one is better.
Explain how should I use technician on Killhouse stealth , 1 u have to use a drill which is a lot for risky
2 u will be detected faster than usual
3 less perks stealth related
Infiltrator is good for two maps the black site and the deposit. technician is good for one map the withdrawal. not as good
so im not crazy for getting an engineer to max level for the withdrawal
Yes that’s actually a reasonable idea
i think withdrawal is the only mission where a solo jugg is okay lol
Can you make a black dusk stealth guide but remastered like the notes you said in this video
If there’s only one change then is it worth the time and effort to remake the entire guide? Or would there be more changes than just “don’t take elite op disguise, precision-drill door instead”?
There would be more changes on what to do as no elite disguise will alter how u do the mission
2:21 he said it
Idk what ysis means in the thumbnail but the thumbnail was very attracting
Try beating loud with a stealth load out or stealth with loud loadout
that's easy af
yeah its super ez
average tds player's brain is the size of a god damn upper quark
@@ceoofgaming7914 nah they have brains about 1/10000000000 of a quark
@@rajeshfrommicrosoft true....
i just got an expansion idea: The Cishshato Heists (idk how would it work but yeah;-;)
why?
@@user-um1np8fx3j because its an dead game
why wont it let me chat in ur discord server
Engineer is good becouse you can do loud and stealth
but how to get Engineer in skill? how?
I thought the elite disguise on bd works the opposite way
I think that thief and mercenary is the primary class and hacker and engineer is support class
Hey, I just want to get advice from really good EP players on the discord server. However,
1. Im underage so im not gonna fake my own age.
2. I have no idea how to link my discord account to my roblox account, as I play mostly on xbox And mobile.
Is there possibly any other thing I can do or any other server I can join to get help?
join random lobbies and hope
Good vid
Damn i taked the elite disguise a mistake i made
my friend mains tech and we all hate him for that this will be a great video to show him how bad it is for stealth lol
engineer is useful in deposit and withdrawl stealth
Engineer engi here
Precision drilling would work
Dr bluewofsofte too!
Well, it becomes clear why this video has so few likes.
"ill see u guys next ti..." i mean never
im engineer and I did iron man solo
I hope chis will rework deposit and others bc other missions are boring
He don’t rework missions I think they’re fine how they are
Tldw: Engineer is a QoL.
quick summary
engineer not useful unless challenge run
....there was no next time
How come
You sound old but are actually young.
Day 20 of asking the acore legend loud guide
Unof is still making tutorials? Wow.
You should start doing content in other games
I plan on it
@@Unofficial_YT Payday 2?
@@worest2562 He doesn't like pd2
@@epicm999 why not
@@worest2562 He said it's too repetitive and the gameplay is worse than EP's in his opinion.
Did he just say analise😂 I know it’s kinda making fun off his accent but this it the only time I’m doing it I’m sorry
Idk what you talking about
it's more fun tho
cuz you cannot comment on the types of operatives vid im going to comment here im the cursed operative guy
Hi
me whos still waiting for beginner guide part 2:
Intermediate guide is basically beginner guide part 2
@@Unofficial_YT I meant loud guide lol
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engineer best class is breacher
Engineer not usefull on stealth, Breacher is usefull.
Is it useful in loud? Ive just never really found a use for engineer