That was legit carnage bro, so hyped to try this. Btw since you've tested all spec combos with lock, is ele /destro better than Rsham/destro for s5? also what about aff vs destro with Rsham? very curious to know your opinion !
In the first season Destro is definitely better overall i think. Casters lack quite a bit of stats in S5, especially haste and Destro gets Backdraft buff after Conflag +30% haste which helps alot to still pump. Affli is super fun tho and might still be kinda viable in s5 with a Healer, its just Destro should be more solid vs everything (its also easier to get value with) As for Ele/Lock vs Rsham/Lock that is hard to say and depends on matchups imo. For example vs Dks, Healer is more solid for sure, as DK cant just run down the Sham or Lock with Ams or Sacred Cleansing buff from Pala to win instantly. Healer is a bit more forgiving and safer overall, but there are combs where Rsham could be pointless and counterpressure is needed (it felt like that vs Feral/Mage and Rogue Disc, but Rogue Disc and also Spr and RM are very hard matchups with all specs. Vs Warrs Ele/Dest can better if you cannot kill them or go oom anyway by healing (in S5). Hope it helps gl
ty man, i will upload sham/lock again soon, was just busy levling 5 chars to 80 until now xDD i actually didn't use anything special for UI in this video, its all just weakauras, my mate makes them you can find them here: wago.io/p/B%C3%A6nger
@@MrMegaheal if you mean the clip in the very beginning that is minpojke :D we are the enemy team www.twitch.tv/minpojke i think he has his UI/addons available on his discord for subscribers
same totems just with different water totem: healing stream and mana spring but for rogues a set with earthbind/stoneskin, poison cleansing, nature resist and magma totem is also rly good, i used to have that but found to make use of it way to rarely to be worth so id rather have different water totems now in case i need more healing in games where mana wont be a factor, cleansing or mana reg i just wish there was more presets for totems
@@giovannimarchesini7557 np thats extremly rare, if i use them its mostly also a 1v1 siutation in arena there is too much need of constantly earthbind/tremor and grounding
Oh yea Arms warr definately insane potential in Wrath, same with Feral, Lock and Hunter. They all take alot of effort to master but can literally carry a healer immensily, if played right. Ele Shaman and Preg/Prot Paladin can "carry" a team as well in 2s, with their strong overall toolkit and support/offheals, which are easier to make immediate use of. Other than that UnholyDK at low mmr, cause it almost 1v2s double Dps comps, but at higher mmr, against the classes i mentioned in the beginning, rly needs a solid healer to even play the game and cannot make such insane solo plays like Arms, Feral, Lock with a healer etc. (for example with dk the healer needs to exactly know how to run to get peeled by Deathgrip at the pillar at the exact timing, that is not rly suited for carrying) As a healer that would be 100% a Holy Paladin that knows how to get the most out of his class and also to some degree a Disc (depending on the comp).
Yo i need an advice, learning the comp and doing pretty well but Rogues and Rm destroy us 100% of the times in opener. i don't understand (i'm the lock) what should i do , any advice? Thank you
that is normal. it is kinda harcounter sadly, as lock there is not much you can do except fear and seduce control and timed shadowfury coil in a way that it rly disrupts them, but wont happen if they have 2 braincells(too many cds and utility vs ur comb) against rog disc there is a chance to reset the pressure if shaman warstomp+ hex if rog no trinket only chance to reset in 2s (if hes tauren) against rogue mage too but mage can blink cs and remove hex etc.. that comb is a bit hopeless unless they suck hard, it is rly easy for them id say your best bet is counter pressure on any target that is in bad position (doesnt matter if its spr or rogue mage, try fakecast fear and hope target gets feared there) then you can yolo, no need to play scared cause you fall behind anyway usually
vs pally/warrior I saw a team that would seduce the warrior and sfury, fear the pally. It would just be reliant on good fear pathing. Purge pally clean while feared and try to blow coil and cooldowns. They would kinda repeat that every 20 seconds or so with shadow fury, fear on pally while seducing the warrior. Seemed to get trinkets and bubble super quick most the time.
hey man great info there thanks for the video, starting to play this comp after quitting playing resto, what do you use to drop tremor totems against shamans?
hi, if you mean destroying enemies tremor, thats mostly done by the lock with an instant like shadowburn or mousover petattack sham can help too with meele attack if in range or a shock or r1 lightning bolt
Unholy DK/Rsham is more viable, cause its better synergy with Lust+Gargoyle and Uh can survive and peel better. It would still be playable to some degree i think, but Rsham must be the worst Healer for Frost Dk, no stun like Hpal or Druid, which helps Frost Dk quite alot in setups, and no dispells like Pala or Priest and on top of that Hex and Hungering Cold sharethe same dr. Other viable combs except UH dk/Feral/Lock for rsham would be Rsham with a Prot Pala, Preg Pala or Ret Pala. Shamans and palas always do well together in most combinations of specs.
they are both s-tier in 3s, playing with each other if you are looking for a new alt to play around with i would learn more towards ele tho, cause the pet management in classic is damn annoying(its bit scuffed) also if you want to play 2s, ele sham is 100% easier, especially if you play with a healer, to do good with lock rn you need quite a ton of exp to do well in this meta hope it helps a bit E: one last note, if you want to try the comp in this video or lock+shaman + x in 3s it might be hard to find a lock mate tho, but relatively easy to find an ele sham to play with, for the reasons i just mentioned
always take the improved succubus talent yes, sometimes felhunter can be useful, there is some stuff like vs mages, dks or other locks (if they always try kill pet) or shamans (with tremor) but mostly you are going to use succubus about 70-99% of the time depending a bit on personal preference and the situation
www.wowhead.com/wotlk/talent-calc/shaman/0533051503213051322331351-023032001_001xt211p4y21xsg31sws41rp951rpf either Totem of Wrath Glyph or Shocking (if low haste like i am rn) or thunder for arena also really useful as 3rd Glyph (more value in knock arenas ofc), can use 2/2 Guardian Totems and 1/3 Thundering Strike as well, if you prefer lower grounding instead instead of just damaagee 2% crit but thats what i use
Thanks for the footage mate. I'm still hesitant between ele and enhance :D! My hesitation comes from the fact that I'll be raiding as enhance... So I dont know how much pve gear goes into pvp. I was thinking ele cause : it's more fun in BGs / it would be a refreshing thing to play another spec I'm not raiding with. What do you think? Keep the videos coming :)
Mhmm thats a tough call... Ele and Enhance are both pretty fun and strong in the right comb. Who are you gonna play with?I think if you rly are undecided it could be best to pick whatever spec fits best with the classes of your team mates. For example if a friend or potential mate u find is BM, Ret or DK, you go Enhance, if its a Lock you go Ele etc.
@@Razoonx I see... Then I'd have to go enhance. My friends are hunter and paladin. I got no warlock friends, no mage friends... So you would not base your choice on raiding spec. Does it mean PvE isn't that important for shamans? Main problem I have with enhance shaman is it's a melee with mail gear... Squishy without wolves I die fast ;D
@@Romstine i mean then you could still play hunter ele shaman or ele sham hpal i think the main question is do you want to be a caster or a meele lol only you can decide that in the end maybe im just too used to getting every item from gdkp so i dont think about gear that much, but if you rly are raiding with a set grp every ID and cannot get ele gear than you are on a slight disadvantage not being able to get torch weapon and some of the other gear as ele yea.. it think ele sham is still playable without all that pve gear tho, you just trade some haste/mp5 and become more tanky with pvp gear you could dual spec a second pvp spec whenever u are not raiding and try both specs out.. in the end i would rly base my choice on what is most fun to play in pvp for me :P for bgs ele rly is better to play... going in as squishy meele and waiting 3 mins for wolves is annoying its more suited for a rushcomb in 2s
@@Razoonx Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer man! :) I guess I will see what I will do. I enjoy both gameplay very much. Maybe a bit more comfy with melee cause I'm used to it now. I don't know if enh needs any PvE gear or not. If yes then the choice is obvious. If because enh is squishy I need to go full PvP gear then maybe it's more of a debate :) Anyway, please keep more videos coming! Can't wait to see you play.
I don’t know how you get all that time to cast as Ele. I literally am getting cc and blown to bits at 1200 right now. No chances to cast and I am dead. Other teammate is destro. Some teams we destroy though.
if you are in doubt play ele, unless you are used to playing pet classes and can handle the pets getting stuck everywhere and being scripted worse than on pserver, its rly frustrating for lock, other than that and farming soulshards lock is rly fun tho xD
If i can make some suggestions: 1. ihvnt seen you using stoneclaw totem. Thats out strongest "defensive" as we shield up and is bread and butter agaisnt RM. 2. For burst, you should always aim for instant Lightining Bolt instead of Lava burst, cause of casting time and hitting time. 2.1 It should always be: Flame shock, Lava burst, elemental mastery lightning bolt, chain lighning, frost shock. ( you can also make a cast sequence macro for this combo) 3. Never use earth shock, is wortless. 4. Purge healers over doing dmg, we cna only burst them down with LB over CL, Lbolt spam isnt an option. Positioning and thunder was good tho, looking foward. see ya!
Thx for your suggestions, but i think i disagree with some of them for example: its highly situational how you use elemental mastery, if you can't cast alot and want to deal max dmg while moving, lava burst is best, if you can freecast alot, instant lb like in pve is best(as you said), if you need to do dmg asap before a stun runs out or before enemies can react etc. even instant Chain Lighting can be the best, cause it has no travel time and is instant dmg. It is highly dependant on the situation in PvP and in my opinion its best to adjust to it, instead of a set script how to deal dmg like pve With always purging is another story, if you watch the best elem player backbetty he often just spams damage instead of going for purge and i can see why cause its risky to waste your time on purge, if its a 30% chance to resist and you waste time and mana. Spamming LB there is a guaranteed removal of a shield from priest with dmg, get pressure vs warpal and so on, again it depends highly on the situation and pace of the game id say also im pretty sure i used stoneclaw alot and didn't press earth shock once throughout the entire video, its only in bars to remove spell reflect, for a rly rare case, where windshear is on CD or better to hold for healer, while a warr has reflect up (it gives -10% meele haste too but i think i never used it in this way cause slow or offheals always better globals mostly) but yea
Ye im playing too and it feels like the numbers are way off from original wotlk. Probably the endgame patch combined with low ressilience is breaking the game. Dks for example and paladins got many nerfs in the end.
I think Ele profits from this overall, cause u need to meet very specific conditions for race+bodytypes to make that jump and most meeles like warr, dk and ret are not going to be on those races but Ele is and can juke them this way. Weirdly, it only works on one side of the arena, on the other side you can still knock and nobody can get up, i made a video about it: th-cam.com/video/9ZCyFpq-4Bk/w-d-xo.html You could argue that its bad for the game if they dont patch this, cause its funny initially, but people will get annoyed if this stays in xD
it is almost the perfect expac literally the most fun cause most classes have acces to an S-Tier Spec and broken op fun stuff like this so it evens out in end
the editing was so good
The editing was epic bro keep up the content your doing great
That was legit carnage bro, so hyped to try this. Btw since you've tested all spec combos with lock, is ele /destro better than Rsham/destro for s5? also what about aff vs destro with Rsham? very curious to know your opinion !
In the first season Destro is definitely better overall i think. Casters lack quite a bit of stats in S5, especially haste and Destro gets Backdraft buff after Conflag +30% haste which helps alot to still pump. Affli is super fun tho and might still be kinda viable in s5 with a Healer, its just Destro should be more solid vs everything (its also easier to get value with)
As for Ele/Lock vs Rsham/Lock that is hard to say and depends on matchups imo.
For example vs Dks, Healer is more solid for sure, as DK cant just run down the Sham or Lock with Ams or Sacred Cleansing buff from Pala to win instantly.
Healer is a bit more forgiving and safer overall, but there are combs where Rsham could be pointless and counterpressure is needed (it felt like that vs Feral/Mage and Rogue Disc, but Rogue Disc and also Spr and RM are very hard matchups with all specs. Vs Warrs Ele/Dest can better if you cannot kill them or go oom anyway by healing (in S5).
Hope it helps gl
Awesome video man, keep it going! What are your UI ADDONS? THEY LOOK INSANE
ty man, i will upload sham/lock again soon, was just busy levling 5 chars to 80 until now xDD
i actually didn't use anything special for UI in this video, its all just weakauras, my mate makes them you can find them here: wago.io/p/B%C3%A6nger
@@Razoonx but at the beggining of the video you had a special ui didnt you?
@@MrMegaheal if you mean the clip in the very beginning that is minpojke :D we are the enemy team
www.twitch.tv/minpojke i think he has his UI/addons available on his discord for subscribers
Can you please say what pre sets to use for totems? I can see the one you use for Red. But what about the others two?
same totems just with different water totem: healing stream and mana spring
but for rogues a set with earthbind/stoneskin, poison cleansing, nature resist and magma totem is also rly good, i used to have that but found to make use of it way to rarely to be worth so id rather have different water totems now in case i need more healing in games where mana wont be a factor, cleansing or mana reg
i just wish there was more presets for totems
@@Razoonx thanks for answering me. Do you ever use nature res and stoneskin?
@@giovannimarchesini7557 np
thats extremly rare, if i use them its mostly also a 1v1 siutation
in arena there is too much need of constantly earthbind/tremor and grounding
Great intro that was sick!
What do you think the best carry class is in 2s? I think Arms Warrior lmk what yall think I'm just curious
Oh yea Arms warr definately insane potential in Wrath, same with Feral, Lock and Hunter. They all take alot of effort to master but can literally carry a healer immensily, if played right. Ele Shaman and Preg/Prot Paladin can "carry" a team as well in 2s, with their strong overall toolkit and support/offheals, which are easier to make immediate use of. Other than that UnholyDK at low mmr, cause it almost 1v2s double Dps comps, but at higher mmr, against the classes i mentioned in the beginning, rly needs a solid healer to even play the game and cannot make such insane solo plays like Arms, Feral, Lock with a healer etc. (for example with dk the healer needs to exactly know how to run to get peeled by Deathgrip at the pillar at the exact timing, that is not rly suited for carrying)
As a healer that would be 100% a Holy Paladin that knows how to get the most out of his class and also to some degree a Disc (depending on the comp).
Yo i need an advice, learning the comp and doing pretty well but Rogues and Rm destroy us 100% of the times in opener.
i don't understand (i'm the lock) what should i do , any advice? Thank you
that is normal. it is kinda harcounter sadly, as lock there is not much you can do except fear and seduce control and timed shadowfury coil in a way that it rly disrupts them, but wont happen if they have 2 braincells(too many cds and utility vs ur comb)
against rog disc there is a chance to reset the pressure if shaman warstomp+ hex if rog no trinket only chance to reset in 2s (if hes tauren)
against rogue mage too but mage can blink cs and remove hex etc.. that comb is a bit hopeless unless they suck hard, it is rly easy for them
id say your best bet is counter pressure on any target that is in bad position (doesnt matter if its spr or rogue mage, try fakecast fear and hope target gets feared there)
then you can yolo, no need to play scared cause you fall behind anyway usually
vs pally/warrior I saw a team that would seduce the warrior and sfury, fear the pally. It would just be reliant on good fear pathing. Purge pally clean while feared and try to blow coil and cooldowns. They would kinda repeat that every 20 seconds or so with shadow fury, fear on pally while seducing the warrior. Seemed to get trinkets and bubble super quick most the time.
hey man great info there thanks for the video, starting to play this comp after quitting playing resto, what do you use to drop tremor totems against shamans?
hi, if you mean destroying enemies tremor, thats mostly done by the lock with an instant like shadowburn or mousover petattack
sham can help too with meele attack if in range or a shock or r1 lightning bolt
how do you jump and get back on the arena dalaran , there is no scale there ...
@Youssef Ben youssef th-cam.com/video/9ZCyFpq-4Bk/w-d-xo.html
@razoon, would you say frost dk is viable with resto sham in s5? Or is only viable resto sham 2s comp lock and/or feral?
Unholy DK/Rsham is more viable, cause its better synergy with Lust+Gargoyle and Uh can survive and peel better. It would still be playable to some degree i think, but Rsham must be the worst Healer for Frost Dk, no stun like Hpal or Druid, which helps Frost Dk quite alot in setups, and no dispells like Pala or Priest and on top of that Hex and Hungering Cold sharethe same dr.
Other viable combs except UH dk/Feral/Lock for rsham would be Rsham with a Prot Pala, Preg Pala or Ret Pala. Shamans and palas always do well together in most combinations of specs.
Cant decide whether to boost a shaman or lock? Someone help break the tie lol, please motivate!
they are both s-tier in 3s, playing with each other
if you are looking for a new alt to play around with i would learn more towards ele tho, cause the pet management in classic is damn annoying(its bit scuffed)
also if you want to play 2s, ele sham is 100% easier, especially if you play with a healer, to do good with lock rn you need quite a ton of exp to do well in this meta
hope it helps a bit
E: one last note, if you want to try the comp in this video or lock+shaman + x in 3s it might be hard to find a lock mate tho, but relatively easy to find an ele sham to play with, for the reasons i just mentioned
Lock play always with Succubus? So u take also the improved succubus talent i assume right?
always take the improved succubus talent yes, sometimes felhunter can be useful, there is some stuff like vs mages, dks or other locks (if they always try kill pet) or shamans (with tremor)
but mostly you are going to use succubus about 70-99% of the time depending a bit on personal preference and the situation
What talents and glyphs do you use for arena?
www.wowhead.com/wotlk/talent-calc/shaman/0533051503213051322331351-023032001_001xt211p4y21xsg31sws41rp951rpf either Totem of Wrath Glyph or Shocking (if low haste like i am rn) or thunder for arena also really useful as 3rd Glyph (more value in knock arenas ofc), can use 2/2 Guardian Totems and 1/3 Thundering Strike as well, if you prefer lower grounding instead instead of just damaagee 2% crit but thats what i use
Thanks for the footage mate. I'm still hesitant between ele and enhance :D! My hesitation comes from the fact that I'll be raiding as enhance... So I dont know how much pve gear goes into pvp. I was thinking ele cause : it's more fun in BGs / it would be a refreshing thing to play another spec I'm not raiding with. What do you think? Keep the videos coming :)
Mhmm thats a tough call... Ele and Enhance are both pretty fun and strong in the right comb. Who are you gonna play with?I think if you rly are undecided it could be best to pick whatever spec fits best with the classes of your team mates. For example if a friend or potential mate u find is BM, Ret or DK, you go Enhance, if its a Lock you go Ele etc.
@@Razoonx I see... Then I'd have to go enhance. My friends are hunter and paladin. I got no warlock friends, no mage friends...
So you would not base your choice on raiding spec. Does it mean PvE isn't that important for shamans?
Main problem I have with enhance shaman is it's a melee with mail gear... Squishy without wolves I die fast ;D
@@Romstine i mean then you could still play hunter ele shaman or ele sham hpal i think the main question is do you want to be a caster or a meele lol only you can decide that in the end
maybe im just too used to getting every item from gdkp so i dont think about gear that much, but if you rly are raiding with a set grp every ID and cannot get ele gear than you are on a slight disadvantage not being able to get torch weapon and some of the other gear as ele yea.. it think ele sham is still playable without all that pve gear tho, you just trade some haste/mp5 and become more tanky with pvp gear
you could dual spec a second pvp spec whenever u are not raiding and try both specs out.. in the end i would rly base my choice on what is most fun to play in pvp for me :P
for bgs ele rly is better to play... going in as squishy meele and waiting 3 mins for wolves is annoying its more suited for a rushcomb in 2s
@@Razoonx Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer man! :)
I guess I will see what I will do. I enjoy both gameplay very much.
Maybe a bit more comfy with melee cause I'm used to it now.
I don't know if enh needs any PvE gear or not. If yes then the choice is obvious.
If because enh is squishy I need to go full PvP gear then maybe it's more of a debate :)
Anyway, please keep more videos coming!
Can't wait to see you play.
I don’t know how you get all that time to cast as Ele. I literally am getting cc and blown to bits at 1200 right now. No chances to cast and I am dead. Other teammate is destro. Some teams we destroy though.
it also depends on the setups the lock can get alot, rest is positioning but ele lock is rly hard rn in sooo many stuff even tho its a fun comp
My question do I play lock or ele
if you are in doubt play ele, unless you are used to playing pet classes and can handle the pets getting stuck everywhere and being scripted worse than on pserver, its rly frustrating for lock, other than that and farming soulshards lock is rly fun tho xD
If i can make some suggestions:
1. ihvnt seen you using stoneclaw totem. Thats out strongest "defensive" as we shield up and is bread and butter agaisnt RM.
2. For burst, you should always aim for instant Lightining Bolt instead of Lava burst, cause of casting time and hitting time.
2.1 It should always be: Flame shock, Lava burst, elemental mastery lightning bolt, chain lighning, frost shock. ( you can also make a cast sequence macro for this combo)
3. Never use earth shock, is wortless.
4. Purge healers over doing dmg, we cna only burst them down with LB over CL, Lbolt spam isnt an option.
Positioning and thunder was good tho, looking foward. see ya!
Thx for your suggestions, but i think i disagree with some of them for example: its highly situational how you use elemental mastery, if you can't cast alot and want to deal max dmg while moving, lava burst is best, if you can freecast alot, instant lb like in pve is best(as you said), if you need to do dmg asap before a stun runs out or before enemies can react etc. even instant Chain Lighting can be the best, cause it has no travel time and is instant dmg. It is highly dependant on the situation in PvP and in my opinion its best to adjust to it, instead of a set script how to deal dmg like pve
With always purging is another story, if you watch the best elem player backbetty he often just spams damage instead of going for purge and i can see why cause its risky to waste your time on purge, if its a 30% chance to resist and you waste time and mana. Spamming LB there is a guaranteed removal of a shield from priest with dmg, get pressure vs warpal and so on, again it depends highly on the situation and pace of the game id say
also im pretty sure i used stoneclaw alot and didn't press earth shock once throughout the entire video, its only in bars to remove spell reflect, for a rly rare case, where windshear is on CD or better to hold for healer, while a warr has reflect up (it gives -10% meele haste too but i think i never used it in this way cause slow or offheals always better globals mostly) but yea
@@Razoonx good points, agreed.
Ye im playing too and it feels like the numbers are way off from original wotlk. Probably the endgame patch combined with low ressilience is breaking the game. Dks for example and paladins got many nerfs in the end.
4:35 get this patched or ele will be bad, u knock people off then they just jump up again 😂
I think Ele profits from this overall, cause u need to meet very specific conditions for race+bodytypes to make that jump and most meeles like warr, dk and ret are not going to be on those races but Ele is and can juke them this way. Weirdly, it only works on one side of the arena, on the other side you can still knock and nobody can get up, i made a video about it: th-cam.com/video/9ZCyFpq-4Bk/w-d-xo.html
You could argue that its bad for the game if they dont patch this, cause its funny initially, but people will get annoyed if this stays in xD
WOTLK is perfect they say :).
it is almost the perfect expac literally the most fun cause most classes have acces to an S-Tier Spec and broken op fun stuff like this so it evens out in end
@@Razoonx I dont share your opinion on that though .
@@Razoonx Getting ice lanced for 5k and having 16k health then getting hit by chaos bolt for 12k.....kinda broken. Ele will literally one shot anyone.
ghê :>>
Gay comp
Where is pala/dk?
xD next time again