Kyokushin guy here. One of the "dirty secrets" that my sensei taught me is that the fancy kicks like spinning back kicks or rolling thunder often serve the same purpose as the clinch in boxing. They give you a few more seconds of rest. If it lands, great! They're gonna get hurt. If it doesn't land, great! They probably evaded it by distance, so you have a couple more seconds to breathe. Chances are, that's what Kyokushin guy was up to with the flip kicks he was throwing. Valiant fighting on his part!
Ive done both back in the days, with kyokushin(kai) beeing my base and my sensei at that time mixing both up, I know the flaws of kyokushin, like every arts has, but also its strength. Nowadays im leaning towards kick- boxing and a bit muay thai as a sport, but still being a karate guy at heart. Im disapointed about the kyokushin guy. He didnt use well timed mae or joko geris, to try to keep the opponent at distance, or oshiro- geri in a combo. There were also no knees to the thighs, or ... i dont what to give to much secrets away. But he could have done more.
I don't know if it's a good idea to use a move that takes up a hell of a lot of energy as a "rest move". I get the idea that it's to create distance, and that's certainly an argument for using them, but if you're using moves like that to try and conserve energy, I think you're achieving the opposite. Catapulting yourself like that, and then having to pick yourself back up, is a heck of a workout if you're doing that several times in a fight.
@@seraphinaaizen6278i dont find is very exhausting especially if youre just relying on momentum. Shifting your weight from engaging and disengaging is for example is alot more exhausting yet it looks like your hardly even moving
kyokushin especially focuses on a concept called "ossu no seishin" which means the spirit of pushing onwards so they learn to keep pressuring even when it hurts
@@TNTTestificatewhat i like about kyokushin is its very pratical, efficient and focuses on conditioning and strength than fancy moves. I believe that toughness, athleticism, strength and fight iq matters more than technique or skillset. But thats just my opinion.
Points are awarded if your opponent shows pain. Not if you land a blow. Many have fought with broken ribs. But refused to show pain. In kyokushin tournaments. Don't use gloves but no punches to the face.
It's a shame that the McDojo era of the 80s and 90s in America and Europe gave karate such a bad reputation in the mainstream. Karate is still highly serviceable and its great to see it getting represented.
American Karate association create American Kickboxing, What destroy Karate Reputation are Point Karate tournaments like they do in Japan where the fights seems a Light Sparring.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh that's shotokan karate point fighting , kyokushin has always been full contact , dutch kickboxing came from kyo and amerikan kickboxing came from mixing boxing with point style shotokan karate , so yes usa ruined everthing
The rules have changed in Karate Tournanents, now it's 6 points, a kick is two points and a punch 1, also I believe face contact is now permitted, previously it wasn't because the Tournanent hosts were uninsured.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh yeah I’m from America and what destroyed karate and kickboxing is the American version very light kicks and taps we should’ve did like the Dutch and it would’ve been maybe even more popular than mma because no grappling
Jerry I'm about to get on a plane so don't have time to watch this right now, just wanted to comment that you've been knocking it out of the park lately.
Seems like Kyokushin translates really well to the ring when going against kickboxing and Thai boxing. It probably has a lot to do with the fighter themselves. Home grown Thai boxers had brutal lives and it translates to the ring. These Ukranian kyokushin dudes are probably the same.
The fighting is top notch, but I think the editor is trying way too hard for that cinematic feel with all the cuts to the crowd and tight-window angles. Let us see them cook!
The kyokushin karate has snappy technique on his punches. I very much liked his check left hook the 1st round but if it was followed up with a uppercut or straight right it would've been more damaging considering his snap. He reminds me more of Japanese kickboxers the way they snap their punches and kicks.
The Karate fighter has a good offensive Takedowns but lacks technical refinement on the ground, that's why train jiu jitsu is essential if you're going to fight MMA.
5:40 _That's_ how you land a spinning kick. Don't lead off with them. Set it up first with a feint or other strikes/combos to elicit a reaction so that the kick catches your opponent off guard or _opens_ a line to the target.
The kick boxer controlled the pace of the fight which the black belt wasn't used to that quick of a fight pace so he tired faster . The black belt definitely surprised me with his heart and surprised the kickboxer too with his toughness. What a wonderful fight ❤
The guard of the Kyokushin guy reminds me of the most common guard in Glory Kickboxing (Serkan Ozcaglayan comes into mind). He'd do well in the kickboxing sphere.
In the kickboxing/muay Thai coaches I've learned from, only one ever (briefly) mentioned leading a combo with a kick just to switch the rhythm. I always felt it worked well in mma fights and in my own sparring rounds
Ironically the Muay Thai guy gets hit more than the Kyokushin guy. That Kickboxer is on another level, but Kyokushin guy definitely put up a good fight.
@@FightCommentaryAn axe kick is often used against targets such as the head or shoulder bone of an attacker. However, this kick should be selectively utilized as you are exposing yourself to a counter attack.
@@FightCommentary kakato is axe kick but here is a tip: Andy hug=god of kakato axe kick Glaube feitosa=god of brazilian kick. Wonder if they named brazilian kick cause of him. You should check them both, amazing legends.
"The way karateka throw straight punches is different from a MT or boxer" yes, but MT also throws punches differently from boxing. TBH though, only real struggle for Kyokushin guy was that he clearly had much worse cardio. And neglected low kicks for some reason.
1) in the cyrillic alphabet, the H is actually an N sound so his name is 10 which is badass. 2) kyokushin guy is bouncing too much. Not a lot of karate people know this but you're not supposed to bounce when fighting. Karate comes from the old kung fu technique whooping crane, the founder developed the technique by observing cranes. Do cranes bounce a lot? No. Bouncing makes it so you the opponent guesses your next move. 3) karate struggles with boxing gloves because karate teaches to whip your strikes, boxing gloves make whipping your strikes impossible to be effective. If it was bare knuckle, kyokushin dude would have annihilated. Kickboxing utilizes gloves as a shield, without them, it screws up the technique. 4) excellent fight!
I don't like how the Karate guy doesn't get penalized for missing those spinning back kicks and falling down but instead gets reset where they can do some more till they score a point.
Kyokushin guys are tough as nails. I am a shotokan karate guy and me personally I am to much of a wimp to train in the Kyokushin dojo in my town. I drive by and see them sparring full contact with no gear and i’m like no thanks. The best is when I see some of the guys limping out of the Kyokushin dojo walking to their car l
I think kick-boxing would probably be better in a fight just because, technically speaking, karatekas only use a fraction of the techniques that they learn in the dojo during a fight (to the point where they kinda fight like kick-boxers in the ring, anyway). On the other hand, a kick-boxer would use 100% of the skills learned in the ring and would fight exactly as they train. Thoughts, anyone?
The "thoughts" are that your comment is not very smart, since the main techniques a kyokushin practitioner learn during sparring ARE kicks and punches. You're confusing karate with something else buddy.
Kyokushin guy really should have thrown more leg kicks in the fight. Also the rolling thunder is an ok technique but I don't like it simply for the un-realism of it. A much more realistic and almost equally devastating kick if landed is the spinning heel kick (ushiro ura mawashi geri.)
The styles are different, the problem with karate is they do not train with full contact, and that is with good reason. Karate people train mostly with no gloves, meaning they do not wear hand wraps or wear lightly padded gloves. They are so small they do not aide you when blocking. karate sparring can get pretty hectic depending on grade and skill level. Some whack holes out of each other. Now boxing gloves are big and they give you massive help in blocking. Also people who box or kick box have hand wraps to support the hands and aid in punching. Having boxing gloves on is like have having two small shields in front of you. If you do not believe me try them on. So a boxer is not used to punching without hand wraps and gloves on. A karate person trains with his hands esp. when hitting pads. In my view boxing is superior to karate when it comes to punching, that is not brainer as they train that way. Get inside a karate person punching and kicking range the boxer wins. Karate is superior when its open to other techniques, that is kicking, grappling and fighting on the floor. Yes it does have all that. Do not kid yourself a karate person can hit hard, esp. with the kicks. Getting on the end of a good round house kick is no fun if your holding the pad. Boxers hit hard pound per pound as they have two big clubs at the end of their arms and like i have said their blocking is aided by the gloves.
Kyuokushin guy wasted so much energy spamming those rolling thunders and flying knees. They need to be setup if they were to land, just throwing naked isn't good. Even though one of the rolling thunders landed there was no setup so the Kickboxer at least rolled with the hit so it reduced the power significantly he wasn't shook at all after. You could see the Kyuokushin guy gassed out at the end after his last takedown which probably emptied the rest of his tank. I think Kyuokushin guy could've tried to time a front kick to the chin when the kickboxer was pressing forward with a feint stiff jab to impair the centre line vision when he was using the high guard.
I need to see how that was scored. Kyokushin guy landed more strikes and WAY more throws and takedowns. I had him winning. Do the throws/takedowns not get counted?
When will we ever see an actual boxer in the octagon using boxing rules fighting MMA using MMA rules? After all, we have seen so many MMA fighters in the ring fighting boxers under boxing rules.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh kind of doesn’t matter. A boxer cannot defeat a well rounded fighter in a fight more often than margin of error for luck. No take down defense. No ability to guard against leg kicks. No ability whatsoever on the ground. No chance. Now if you take a boxer and train him in grappling and at least teach him some low kick defense he could do as well as anyone but he wouldn’t be a boxer anymore.
What is the value of the rolling thunder if you land on the ground? You connect and the ground is pavement or wood its going to hurt or stun. In a street fight may you are in for a world of ground and pound.
this is not a street fight but a sport fight. You train for one specific context and not the other ones... if you are doing sports you don't care about what would work in the street...
I'm guilty of this from kyokushin, that you get very used to attacking and defending the body under the kyokushin rules that punching the head almost feels a bit foreign.
When I used to do karate, god I always hated those damn gi’s. Always having to correct it, tucking it back behind the belt. I always thought - why the hell don’t they invent buttons on that side material.
Buttons are dangerous the same way earrings and pins are. if you ever visit Okinawa you can train barechested, heck your coach probably did it in underpants! (gi is pretty modern)
@@cahallo5964 I practiced okinawan goju ryu for about 30 yrs. With people who trained directly with Higaonna . A button which would hold it into place - if that little thing (being under the fold of material anyway) would somehow cut you bud, you’re doing something wrong 🤣🤣
@@cahallo5964 What were you doing practicing either shoes? Of course you’re going to get cut man. Geez. This is a silly conversation - but a button which is UNDER the really thick gi would hold the material in place and not have it flips around. It doesn’t sound like you practiced with a gi, or you’d agree with me. The button would literally be in the hollow of your thigh near your But again, if you’re sparring in a dojo this hard that a teeny tiny button would rip your skin then you’re practicing wrongly.
More like a tit-for-tat exchange between two average fighters. It's always incorrect to say this is one fighting system against the other, the best you can say, is this is one trained fighter in X versus another in Y. Everything depends on how brilliant each exponent is in the system they represent, and that doest take into account using techniques that are not typically used in either system. I have seen kick boxers with strong taekwondo style kicks and taekwondo fighters with excellent boxing skills, everything depends on the individual. Back in the late 1970 onwards, traditional karate/TKD/KF fighters, started entering open competition and this created a meshing of technique/fighting strategies that evolved all the way to MMA. I would say, the KK guy didn't leg kick as much as I was expecting and typically both fighters didn't have the knowhow/ability to execute head kicks at the right time. IMHO an average MT fighter would have done better with either fighter. But you got to Fight to learn, props to both.
Надо чтобы каждый по своим правилам бился. Тогда можно чёт там прикидывать, какое единоборство сильнее. Давайте ещё вольника попросим по правилам кикиров "боротся".
This is why I quit kyokushin after Shodan. Strong kicks, body shots, weakness to head punches, Lack of angle change. If anyone wanna learns full contact, I recommend Ashihara, Enshin.
it's the same style only with head punches, why bother go there to ashihara enshin , all you had to do was take some boxing lessons and train further or a kickboxing gym and train you boxing , that's all .
aggreed , eighter he got his black bet in 2 years or he hasn't trained in years and drink alchohol daily cause it was pittufull and disgracefull for kyo black belt
Kyokushin guy here. One of the "dirty secrets" that my sensei taught me is that the fancy kicks like spinning back kicks or rolling thunder often serve the same purpose as the clinch in boxing. They give you a few more seconds of rest. If it lands, great! They're gonna get hurt. If it doesn't land, great! They probably evaded it by distance, so you have a couple more seconds to breathe. Chances are, that's what Kyokushin guy was up to with the flip kicks he was throwing. Valiant fighting on his part!
Super cool tip!
That is an interesting tactic and sorta makes sense how an opponent’s natural reaction is to get away from such a big movement kinda kamikaze
Ive done both back in the days, with kyokushin(kai) beeing my base and my sensei at that time mixing both up, I know the flaws of kyokushin, like every arts has, but also its strength. Nowadays im leaning towards kick- boxing and a bit muay thai as a sport, but still being a karate guy at heart.
Im disapointed about the kyokushin guy. He didnt use well timed mae or joko geris, to try to keep the opponent at distance, or oshiro- geri in a combo. There were also no knees to the thighs, or ... i dont what to give to much secrets away. But he could have done more.
I don't know if it's a good idea to use a move that takes up a hell of a lot of energy as a "rest move". I get the idea that it's to create distance, and that's certainly an argument for using them, but if you're using moves like that to try and conserve energy, I think you're achieving the opposite. Catapulting yourself like that, and then having to pick yourself back up, is a heck of a workout if you're doing that several times in a fight.
@@seraphinaaizen6278i dont find is very exhausting especially if youre just relying on momentum. Shifting your weight from engaging and disengaging is for example is alot more exhausting yet it looks like your hardly even moving
The thing about Kyokushin Karate fighters who are very well disciplined is that they have high pain tolerances from what I've seen.
kyokushin especially focuses on a concept called "ossu no seishin" which means the spirit of pushing onwards so they learn to keep pressuring even when it hurts
Cause our style sparring is basically stand in front of each other a pound away. Give some to take some. Lolol OSU!!!
But no in face
@@TNTTestificatewhat i like about kyokushin is its very pratical, efficient and focuses on conditioning and strength than fancy moves. I believe that toughness, athleticism, strength and fight iq matters more than technique or skillset. But thats just my opinion.
Points are awarded if your opponent shows pain. Not if you land a blow. Many have fought with broken ribs. But refused to show pain. In kyokushin tournaments. Don't use gloves but no punches to the face.
It's a shame that the McDojo era of the 80s and 90s in America and Europe gave karate such a bad reputation in the mainstream. Karate is still highly serviceable and its great to see it getting represented.
American Karate association create American Kickboxing, What destroy Karate Reputation are Point Karate tournaments like they do in Japan where the fights seems a Light Sparring.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh that's shotokan karate point fighting , kyokushin has always been full contact , dutch kickboxing came from kyo and amerikan kickboxing came from mixing boxing with point style shotokan karate , so yes usa ruined everthing
The rules have changed in Karate Tournanents, now it's 6 points, a kick is two points and a punch 1, also I believe face contact is now permitted, previously it wasn't because the Tournanent hosts were uninsured.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh yeah I’m from America and what destroyed karate and kickboxing is the American version very light kicks and taps we should’ve did like the Dutch and it would’ve been maybe even more popular than mma because no grappling
Jerry I'm about to get on a plane so don't have time to watch this right now, just wanted to comment that you've been knocking it out of the park lately.
Have a safe trip
Seems like Kyokushin translates really well to the ring when going against kickboxing and Thai boxing. It probably has a lot to do with the fighter themselves. Home grown Thai boxers had brutal lives and it translates to the ring. These Ukranian kyokushin dudes are probably the same.
Kyokushin dominated the mid to late 90’s in K1. I trained with Nick Pettas an Francisco Fihlo before FF’s 2000 K1 fight
World champion Kyokushin vs world champion kickboxer recently fought in ONE. The Kyokushin guy won.
Unrelated to this video, but you and many other TH-camrs have helped me start my judo journey. Thank you FCB 💙
Happy to hear that!
The fighting is top notch, but I think the editor is trying way too hard for that cinematic feel with all the cuts to the crowd and tight-window angles. Let us see them cook!
Yep
The kyokushin guy have good takedown techniques
He's actually a purple belt in BJJ as well
@@deadfisheyes1ik interesting, kyokushin + bjj is a good mix
TH-cam guy here. One thing my senseï taught me was to always keep an eye on my phone's battery indicator because it may tur
The kyokushin karate has snappy technique on his punches. I very much liked his check left hook the 1st round but if it was followed up with a uppercut or straight right it would've been more damaging considering his snap. He reminds me more of Japanese kickboxers the way they snap their punches and kicks.
it reminds of japenese kickboxing cause japenese kickboix comes from karate ,karate came first , so kickboxing should actually remind you karate .
@@crisalcantara7671 Good point. I guess I have gotten too used to other style of kickboxing where its more traps rather than snaps.
@@sirliamgalvez5276 the trap snapper style lol
Great fight, but also great sportsmanship.
Surprised to hear Adam Sandler doing fight commentary, and i will subscribe!! Love that Happy Gilmore voice over the fight.
funny
Man, I love these videos. Keep it these videos coming!
Glad you like them!
Kyokushin is awesome
This video helps me totally cure my insomnia problem 😂
Thats awesome!
Love the channel and love martial arts as a whole, gives me motivation to keep training
The Karate fighter has a good offensive Takedowns but lacks technical refinement on the ground, that's why train jiu jitsu is essential if you're going to fight MMA.
or judo
5:40 _That's_ how you land a spinning kick. Don't lead off with them. Set it up first with a feint or other strikes/combos to elicit a reaction so that the kick catches your opponent off guard or _opens_ a line to the target.
What a fight man! Both fighters were tough as can be.
Damn finally you reviewed a good quality video!
5:40 Nice!
The kick boxer controlled the pace of the fight which the black belt wasn't used to that quick of a fight pace so he tired faster . The black belt definitely surprised me with his heart and surprised the kickboxer too with his toughness. What a wonderful fight ❤
Glad you enjoyed this! We love showing these matches.
Alexander Ten, the kickboxer, won this whole Pitbull Fight tournament. 🔥🥊🔥
thats amazing!
The guard of the Kyokushin guy reminds me of the most common guard in Glory Kickboxing (Serkan Ozcaglayan comes into mind). He'd do well in the kickboxing sphere.
kickboxing = karate + boxing
Karate vs Mixed karate
In the kickboxing/muay Thai coaches I've learned from, only one ever (briefly) mentioned leading a combo with a kick just to switch the rhythm. I always felt it worked well in mma fights and in my own sparring rounds
Ironically the Muay Thai guy gets hit more than the Kyokushin guy. That Kickboxer is on another level, but Kyokushin guy definitely put up a good fight.
It would be hard to find but how about featuring Yaw Yan fights? :D
If you have any links, let us know.
Exactly please feature some yaw yan and Dutch kickboxing match (recent not from the Ernesto hoost era)
O karateca não conseguiu soltar o jogo.
Kyokushin Guy is very, very, very...gassed out!!!
awesome match
I would expect more brazilian kick kakato and fency tricky kicks from kyokushin
What's a Kakato?
@@FightCommentaryAn axe kick is often used against targets such as the head or shoulder bone of an attacker. However, this kick should be selectively utilized as you are exposing yourself to a counter attack.
@@FightCommentaryKakato Otoshi Geri (Axe Kick) the Favorite Techinique of the Legend of K1 and Karate Kyokushin Andy Hug.
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@@FightCommentary kakato is axe kick but here is a tip:
Andy hug=god of kakato axe kick
Glaube feitosa=god of brazilian kick. Wonder if they named brazilian kick cause of him.
You should check them both, amazing legends.
Kyokushin all the way 🥊
"The way karateka throw straight punches is different from a MT or boxer" yes, but MT also throws punches differently from boxing. TBH though, only real struggle for Kyokushin guy was that he clearly had much worse cardio. And neglected low kicks for some reason.
2:16 that take down was beautiful though, i felt if they could continue on the ground it would be over for the kickboxer in that moment
1) in the cyrillic alphabet, the H is actually an N sound so his name is 10 which is badass. 2) kyokushin guy is bouncing too much. Not a lot of karate people know this but you're not supposed to bounce when fighting. Karate comes from the old kung fu technique whooping crane, the founder developed the technique by observing cranes. Do cranes bounce a lot? No. Bouncing makes it so you the opponent guesses your next move. 3) karate struggles with boxing gloves because karate teaches to whip your strikes, boxing gloves make whipping your strikes impossible to be effective. If it was bare knuckle, kyokushin dude would have annihilated. Kickboxing utilizes gloves as a shield, without them, it screws up the technique. 4) excellent fight!
true .
Have you ever covered the Andy Hug vs. Sadau Kiatsongrit?
This is a fun fight
01:58 kickboxing guy is ethnic Korean
I don't like how the Karate guy doesn't get penalized for missing those spinning back kicks and falling down but instead gets reset where they can do some more till they score a point.
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Both of these guys were tough as nails, Jerry!
Yeah, it was a very good match!
Bro how did that first rolling thunder not do anything... Man thats crazy
Kyokushin guys are tough as nails. I am a shotokan karate guy and me personally I am to much of a wimp to train in the Kyokushin dojo in my town. I drive by and see them sparring full contact with no gear and i’m like no thanks. The best is when I see some of the guys limping out of the Kyokushin dojo walking to their car l
nice flare kick attempt by gi guy man sheesh
Very light little show 👍
I think kick-boxing would probably be better in a fight just because, technically speaking, karatekas only use a fraction of the techniques that they learn in the dojo during a fight (to the point where they kinda fight like kick-boxers in the ring, anyway). On the other hand, a kick-boxer would use 100% of the skills learned in the ring and would fight exactly as they train. Thoughts, anyone?
The "thoughts" are that your comment is not very smart, since the main techniques a kyokushin practitioner learn during sparring ARE kicks and punches. You're confusing karate with something else buddy.
What is the purpose of the pink bar on the left and right? Are they like the health bars? 😅
Whats.the different of Muay Thai to kickboxing?
Muay Thai allows elbows and repeated knees in clìnch, aswell as sweeps. Scoring is also different.
both great fighters
Wow kyokashin is super talented before going in to the cideo here goes!!
Kyokushin guy really should have thrown more leg kicks in the fight. Also the rolling thunder is an ok technique but I don't like it simply for the un-realism of it. A much more realistic and almost equally devastating kick if landed is the spinning heel kick (ushiro ura mawashi geri.)
why does the camera keep panning to the audience during the fight?
Kickboxing is pretty much Kyokushin with Boxing and Muay Thai. I mean look at the stances.
Just for the heck of it: Kyokushinkaikankarateka
05:39 that's what a black belt should be about
Japanese kickboxing, Dutch-style kickboxing and amd shootboxing originted from Kyokushin Karate.
why karate guy ain't using dif type of kicks? in my club we use low kick, roundhouse, spinning hook kick, back kick, brazillian kick and many more
Thats why when you fight a black belt striker, never take the belt that seriously. This shows that perfectly
but the kyokushin guy did fairly well in this fight, wdym
The styles are different, the problem with karate is they do not train with full contact, and that is with good reason. Karate people train mostly with no gloves, meaning they do not wear hand wraps or wear lightly padded gloves. They are so small they do not aide you when blocking. karate sparring can get pretty hectic depending on grade and skill level. Some whack holes out of each other. Now boxing gloves are big and they give you massive help in blocking. Also people who box or kick box have hand wraps to support the hands and aid in punching. Having boxing gloves on is like have having two small shields in front of you. If you do not believe me try them on. So a boxer is not used to punching without hand wraps and gloves on. A karate person trains with his hands esp. when hitting pads. In my view boxing is superior to karate when it comes to punching, that is not brainer as they train that way. Get inside a karate person punching and kicking range the boxer wins. Karate is superior when its open to other techniques, that is kicking, grappling and fighting on the floor. Yes it does have all that. Do not kid yourself a karate person can hit hard, esp. with the kicks. Getting on the end of a good round house kick is no fun if your holding the pad. Boxers hit hard pound per pound as they have two big clubs at the end of their arms and like i have said their blocking is aided by the gloves.
In Cyrillic н isn’t H it makes the n sound like in end.
K guy went pretty well, if he had landed more punches to the face he would have won. In a rematch I think K guy could win. It was a good fight truly.
Some manners would be appreciated and would let more people watch until the end.
Good fight
the kickboxer breathes.
the puntuation: -25
What is the name of this league?
Kyokushin guy didnt use kyokushin techniques which are deadly
1:15 he 100% blocked that kick with his hand.
The kickboxer is à nice man !!
Kyuokushin guy wasted so much energy spamming those rolling thunders and flying knees. They need to be setup if they were to land, just throwing naked isn't good.
Even though one of the rolling thunders landed there was no setup so the Kickboxer at least rolled with the hit so it reduced the power significantly he wasn't shook at all after.
You could see the Kyuokushin guy gassed out at the end after his last takedown which probably emptied the rest of his tank.
I think Kyuokushin guy could've tried to time a front kick to the chin when the kickboxer was pressing forward with a feint stiff jab to impair the centre line vision when he was using the high guard.
Yea good fight!
I need to see how that was scored. Kyokushin guy landed more strikes and WAY more throws and takedowns. I had him winning. Do the throws/takedowns not get counted?
When will we ever see an actual boxer in the octagon using boxing rules fighting MMA using MMA rules? After all, we have seen so many MMA fighters in the ring fighting boxers under boxing rules.
James Toney. After seeing what Randy Couture did to him no boxer wants the embarrassment.
Boxing Pay More if you can Box in a Professional level there's no reason to do MMA.
@@JohnAvillaHerpetoculturalJames Toney fight MMA when he started losing in Boxing.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh kind of doesn’t matter. A boxer cannot defeat a well rounded fighter in a fight more often than margin of error for luck. No take down defense. No ability to guard against leg kicks. No ability whatsoever on the ground. No chance. Now if you take a boxer and train him in grappling and at least teach him some low kick defense he could do as well as anyone but he wouldn’t be a boxer anymore.
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so who won?
What is the value of the rolling thunder if you land on the ground? You connect and the ground is pavement or wood its going to hurt or stun. In a street fight may you are in for a world of ground and pound.
Yeah. It seems to be specific for matches that don’t allow continued fight on the ground.
this is not a street fight but a sport fight. You train for one specific context and not the other ones...
if you are doing sports you don't care about what would work in the street...
@@JeremyRoyaux I'll stick with fightcommentary reply.
what brain ded guy is gonnah do a flip on he street lol , it's not a selfe defence technique .
I'm guilty of this from kyokushin, that you get very used to attacking and defending the body under the kyokushin rules that punching the head almost feels a bit foreign.
your voice sound like uncle roger
That's pretty funny!
who winns??
Hey!
Can I send you my fight for you to commentate?
Sure
@@FightCommentary Where can I contact you?
discord instagram etc
Email is in the about section
@@FightCommentary Sorry, I can't see your e-mail in the about-section.
All depends on the practioner. One match against proponents of either style does not prove anything.
You ever seen Hackers? Its not related to anything, i'm just asking
The show on HBO Max?
@@FightCommentary Naw, the movie from 1995
I'll take a look.
@@FightCommentary it’s a good one. Anyway, keep up the killer content
@@FightCommentary It is VERYmuch of its time. It is a fun,bad movie (very early Angelina Jolie).
Le joueur du kyokushinkai doit respecter les règles de cet art martial
When I used to do karate, god I always hated those damn gi’s.
Always having to correct it, tucking it back behind the belt.
I always thought - why the hell don’t they invent buttons on that side material.
Buttons are dangerous the same way earrings and pins are.
if you ever visit Okinawa you can train barechested, heck your coach probably did it in underpants! (gi is pretty modern)
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I practiced okinawan goju ryu for about 30 yrs. With people who trained directly with Higaonna .
A button which would hold it into place - if that little thing (being under the fold of material anyway) would somehow cut you bud, you’re doing something wrong 🤣🤣
@@Domzdream I got a feet cut by that litle thing at the end of a shoe lace once
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What were you doing practicing either shoes? Of course you’re going to get cut man. Geez.
This is a silly conversation - but a button which is UNDER the really thick gi would hold the material in place and not have it flips around.
It doesn’t sound like you practiced with a gi, or you’d agree with me.
The button would literally be in the hollow of your thigh near your
But again, if you’re sparring in a dojo this hard that a teeny tiny button would rip your skin then you’re practicing wrongly.
@@Domzdream you are gonna get a rash on yourself with a button
More like a tit-for-tat exchange between two average fighters. It's always incorrect to say this is one fighting system against the other, the best you can say, is this is one trained fighter in X versus another in Y. Everything depends on how brilliant each exponent is in the system they represent, and that doest take into account using techniques that are not typically used in either system. I have seen kick boxers with strong taekwondo style kicks and taekwondo fighters with excellent boxing skills, everything depends on the individual. Back in the late 1970 onwards, traditional karate/TKD/KF fighters, started entering open competition and this created a meshing of technique/fighting strategies that evolved all the way to MMA. I would say, the KK guy didn't leg kick as much as I was expecting and typically both fighters didn't have the knowhow/ability to execute head kicks at the right time. IMHO an average MT fighter would have done better with either fighter. But you got to Fight to learn, props to both.
It all came down to stamina.
kyokushin guy not used to punching face or defending face since majority of kyokushin schools don't hit the face. bad habit
Надо чтобы каждый по своим правилам бился. Тогда можно чёт там прикидывать, какое единоборство сильнее.
Давайте ещё вольника попросим по правилам кикиров "боротся".
Glove make kyoukushin powerless punch or what?when i see their body punch in tournament is very effective...😅
MMA PRO? VS KARATE? ONLY PRO MMA VS Master karate. Pweeee
This is why I quit kyokushin after Shodan. Strong kicks, body shots, weakness to head punches, Lack of angle change. If anyone wanna learns full contact, I recommend Ashihara, Enshin.
Karate Shito-Ryu if you want Full Contact and it's more complete than Kyokushin a true japanese style of Karate.
it's the same style only with head punches, why bother go there to ashihara enshin , all you had to do was take some boxing lessons and train further or a kickboxing gym and train you boxing , that's all .
bros eating inside of my ear this entire video :(
the point on the left and right seem arbitrary. It was hard to follow cause it seemed like the left would go down regardless who threw the blow.
Yeah, that was confusing to me too!
Defo not a pure Kyokushin guy.
aggreed , eighter he got his black bet in 2 years or he hasn't trained in years and drink alchohol daily cause it was pittufull and disgracefull for kyo black belt
I don't like rolling thunders bc they put thr fighter on the ground, removing the possibility of a counter bc you can't strike a downed opponent.
should stick with front kicks to face and punches when kicboxer gets too close
this matches was not fair
They had to fight to mma rule
Pero en Kickboxing no están permitidos los derribos.
Goddamn Mongolians!
The Kyokushin karateka lack stamina and low kicks.
Kyoukushin whitout kicks in his head