FRACTAL SERIES 1/6 - FM3 WITHOUT EDITOR
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Been using the Fractal stuff for a few years now, and love it. I started with the Axe8 and now the FM3. I agree, there is a bit of a learning curve with dialing amps, cabs, effects routing and editing through the unit (only when you aren't plugged in). Leon Todd's channel has been very helpful with tips and tricks if you ever need them for any one thinking of getting a Fractal. Edit: One of the best things in my opinion about these modelers is how you can bend and break traditional rules of what amp pairs with what speakers.
Reading the comments is funny... Some people bitching about the user interface, NOBODY bitches about the quality or the sound. Tell me: What is more important? That the unit is reliable and has the best service in the industry AND the best FX quality and Ampmodelling or that you may need a little bit longer to learn to operate it (because you can adjust EVERYTHING)? What is your priority?
Both.
Priority.....making amazing sounds in 5 minutes not longer. Any longer is unacceptable in this age....in the future they will do a touch screen and simpler menus until they do line 6 and Neural will continue to crush them 👍🏻
Wow! Great Video to get easier und deeper into the Fractal Audio stuff! Thanx, Henning & Bernd!
Fractal is seriously the best modeler on the market when it comes to the quality of its amp models, effects, routing etc. Just top notch. The computer editor is great too.
But man, even a cheap Hotone Ampero 2 Stomp runs circles around the FM3 when it comes to onboard operation. This is the one area where Fractal is just behind and I'm eagerly waiting for their next gen box, but who knows when that will come out.
Just bought a VP4. Its UI is a bit less intimidating than the other Fractal devices.
I use it with my Kemper, Tonex, and UA Apollos connected via S/PDIF and analog.
I am probably going to get an FM3 as well. The VP4 integrates with FM3 using MIDI and S/PDIF extremely 15:08 well.
Also, my RJM Mastermind GT10 MIDI foot controller adds full two way control with the FM3. Full two way VP4 support should be coming from RJM soon.
The MMGT10 can control my Kemper, Tonex and Fractal gear all at the same time. It takes the place of Kemper’s Remote, plus adds switches to all of my devices c
There are some popular songs where I enjoy the sound of the guitar. I feel like the song is popular because the guitar sounds so damn good. There was an art to recording and mixing where various instruments and vocals would pop at differing moments, making some spots memorable. I love this part…
Not very many notes are actually necessary. Those moments that stand out to me, have very few notes going by. You listen to the few closely and hear the distortion, often a low gain, full, and rich. Or harmonically unique like a Gretch.
I’ve yet to find a piece of shred that has this lasting impact, or makes me want to hear it again and again. It’s subtle sounds, vocals, inflections that catch my ear. Notes that bloom, sustain, sometimes feeding back.
Part of me believes this is all possible with Fractal gear. Part of me is suspicious it’s not. Will watch this entire series. Thank you.
The Igel at the end! So cute!
I know John Petrucci uses a fractal axe not sure which one rigged up to his custom Mesa boogies I think he just uses the fractal for the effects but he's got a monster rig of course with everything else in the in between check out his rig set up sometime it's pretty amazing
Not everything needs a touch screen. People love to compare fracals menus to other modelers, but conveniently leave out the part where the fractal stuff has WAY more parameters than anything else on the market.
My question for those who refuse to put in just a little time to learn their gear... How would you make this menu better without dumbing it down? The answer is, you can't. I'd wager that all these people complaining about the menu system couldn't create a better menu than fractal already has. I think they did well with it, considering how in-depth it is.
Exactly THAT. Thank you. People who buy a device for over 1000 Euro and don't invest time to learn it... I mean come on... then play a tube amp!
@berndkiltz exactly. Fractal is so worth putting the time into. I have all the other big name modelers (QC, Helix, Kemper etc). I never got the feeling of "endless possibilities" until I took a deep dive into the axe fx.
I'd also add that I never hear people complaining about the Helix or Kemper not having a touch screen 😂 if any of these modelers need a menu overhaul, it's Kemper!
I complain about Helix as well... and you CAN BET that the next Line 6 product will have a touch screen.
1:26
really??
Nä!
Haha, great.
Nice to see a joint video of you two together. Keep it going, if possible.
I Always used my modellers on Stage in the Return of a tube amp.
Ii would be great if Henning checks out the univibe Sound. I want to have his oppinion....
Hennings response at 27:40 😂 great demo lads
Line6 HX and Helix devices have a Favourite folder where you can store amps and effects in different settings with custom names so you can find what your usual suspects easier.
It's not a mode but it's the first category of bloks, so when you turn a knob a favourite block appears. 🙂
ONLY in the editor. And that is possible in the fractal editor as well!
@@berndkiltz nope. Since 3.00 update, Helix floor, rack, LT Native, Effects and HX Stomp has the favourite function and you have space for 128 favourites blocks.
Line6 presets suck big time but the UI and UX is, in my opinion, the best -and the inspiration for the rest of the competition.
🙂
-Stomp user here.
What's the scale length of the Strat in the thumbnail? 50"? 😂 Love it.
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Go deep!!! Fractal foundational facts for fresh fret freqz and friends
Is the Freaky Deaky Dutch manual available?
The FM3 is alright but those cute little hedgehogs are the real stars of this video.
Gamechanger Auto into FM3. This mans Masochism knows no limits.
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@3:50 I wish Lord Henning was a touch screen.
I do have an FM3 and agree that there are too many amps and too many amp settings that make no difference. Seems like Fractal wants to show too much and it can be distracting. For me the sound is excellent but I'm pretty sure I could swap to QC of Fender TM and it would make no difference to my sound, enjoyment or performance. They're all at a level now where it doesn't matter anymore. Because I have an FM3 I won't change so I can avoid the selling/buying hassle. This video does make the FM3 look more complex than it is though. On the device when getting started you need to know how to change presets, adjust the volume and open the amp page so the controls are the same as on an amp - the end - no more. Everything else (almost) is from Fractal Edit software. Best to learn slowly one thing at a time and I'd recommend the Cooper Carter course to all new FM3 users. With this it took a few weeks and I went from knowing nothing to understanding it all - it's not that hard. I found learning to use a DAW much harder and you wouldn't say that was pointless. Or maybe I'm just rubbish at recording! Which ever unit you have stay with it and learn to use it. In two weeks there will be no difference in easy of use between any of them. Of course you don't have that initial learning curve so bad with a QC which I guess was the point of this video. I'll keep the FM3 for years so two weeks at the beginning is nothing to me. I final dig at Fractal is that the Cooper Carter course is excellent but I had to pay for it - bundle this with the unit if you can't make the FM3 intuitive enough on its own. Also stop saying read the manual. Until you've leant a lot about the FM3 that thing is useless. End result the cost of the FM3 is the purchase cost plus the cost of the Cooper Carter course (no I don't work for him!) and a couple of weeks of going slow. That said I think it's worth that effort and the total costs is still less than a QC.
What is the name of the guy in black shirt. Does he have a TH-cam as well?
Sounds great. I really need to use my FM3 more. It’s just easier to plug into my tube amps.
"You can go deep but don't have to." Something she never said.
😂
I sold my AXE FX and been playing through my Peavey Classic 20 Watts Tube Amp from China , got 5 different Overdrives in the front to choose from , all analog and never had a better sounding unit in the past 40 years......I am using computers to record , but not for playing and playing around with touchscreens and 5 Millions of parameters , holding me back from rocking the shit out of my guitars and basses.....
This is why I’m not fully onboard with digital stuff. ‘Hmph. I need change that setting. Where is it again. No… no… no… Aha. Ok.’ Tube amp and pedalboard with minimal amount of things to go wrong. I dunno. I’ll still keep watching the series.
What is funny they say RTFM but when i bought mine new from online store it didnt come with the manual you have to go online and download the manual. I guess for the 1500 or some currency you pay for a FM3 its too little for them to print a manual to go with it. But this practice is common nowadays for other companies too but most of them give you some kind of a quick start thing.
I really like the fm3 I’ve had it nearly a year and I can say there are functions on it I still do not understand how to use.. it’s not the most user friendly modeler. The hx stomp takes the cake for that. However I can say I’ve used all the high end modelers and the presets on the fm3 are the most useable out of ANY. It’s definitely a great unit but it is very confusing to use at first
You could probably just use it for the effects too but 1300 Euros I don't know what that is in dollars but you're probably going to get some pretty unique effects out of that I'm sure like I said I'm pretty sure Patricia uses that Axe effects processor through his Mesa boogies for the effects
@9:48 I'm 10 minutes into this video and I'm waiting for these 2 kids to start throwing punches over reading the manual.
I will say, if they ever get the usability worked out, it is only the price stopping this cause axe fx stuff is still the best sounding.
And while I think I prefer actual nobs and stuff being there, the convenience is so big though. And just price difference. Even if I am only using 5%, (which is what I am using most likely anyways)
Not a knock against Fractal but Henning is right....no touch screen in the future....no sell units lol....only exception today is Helix which ironically is easier than both touch screens and Fractal by a long shot. The hardware is incredible though 👍🏻💯
No possibility to connect directly to a passive speaker
Hard pass for me
I can’t wait for the AMP X from Bluguitar
Well, most people would NOT use that, so no reason why everyone should pay for that (the poweramp). It is a different philosophy than amp x from my friend thomas blug - which will probably be great.
@ Absolutely, I agree-it’s going to be a real game-changer when it drops. I love those pedals, or guitar modeling in general, because it’s so much lighter, more versatile, and sounds amazing.
I’ve seen a few tests online of the amp X and what it seems to deliver is just perfect.
However, I’ve never liked Line 6, Helix, Quad Cortex, etc., because you can’t really connect them to passive speakers unless you use an external amp.
That’s exactly what I love about this Blue Guitar pedal-you can connect it directly to passive speakers, which I still consider the standard. There’s nothing better, sound-wise, than good old passive speakers.
As soon as this pedal is released, I’m buying it, and it’s going to completely replace my amp. I don’t think I’ll ever go back after this.
Except for passive speakers, which I’ll always keep because, for me, they’re still the best.
I don’t like FRFR cabinets; I find they sound worse than a passive speaker.
@@alexdenton6586 Get an Amp1 in combination with a vp4 - best of both worlds. There is a stream about it on thomas' channel!
He is like the pastor in church, god "Fractal" can do anything and can do no wrong. He loves talking. Please keep to the point.
Yeah sure. But the POINT ist not for a device to have a tocuhscreen, the point is: Does it sound awesome?
That's why I got all the real amps and that's why I have all the real cabinets but that's taken probably 30 years and you're talking about cabinets and heads and stacks and certain pedals but you don't really need too many pedals but for the convenience of a small modeling component like that would probably save you tens of thousands of dollars in real amps but you would definitely have to have the patience to go through the whole system of the modeler because I'm the type of person that wants to know exactly how it works so I don't have to sit there and fuddle around with it forever so it would probably be better to spend a few days or a week getting that down hopefully and then you can just do it on the fly like he said with three button pedal I believe then lock in four or five or six or whatever of your favorite sounds and maybe use some of the effects for doing some interesting soundscapes yeah so I probably could be a lot of fun to play if you take the time to figure it out and you can still always have your Plug and Play Set up in that thing that probably shouldn't be too hard but I think it would be better to learn how all the buttons and knobs work if you got the patience and the disciplines
This was a hard watch even as a diehard FM3 user 🤦Fractal is definitely not an easy unit nor is it something I would recommend to someone that isn't into the menu diving. It's a great sounding unit but for someone who values convenience over power, it's a hard sell.
Convenience over power - well put!
There are more possibilities in a Fender amp with volume and tone because you'll spend your time creating music vs pulling your hair out trying to figure out this rocket-science project. Fiddling with endless parameters and menus and functions and those "endless possibilities"...on and on. Witness all the great music that has come before digital technology and its incredible capabilities - the technology has ended up being the star of the show. You end up with sterile one-dimensional sounding digital DAW music. Forget it, don't waste your time, KISS.
Guess what. You can just use the fender Preset in the device and do the same. You do not have to try all 300+ Ampmodells!
@@berndkiltz Then what's the point of getting it when you can have the real thing.
I bought the FM3 over the QC because it doesn't have a touchscreen. It's fine on a desk but I don't want it on a gig where anything can happen.
Another very valid point ;)
Franz Liechtenstein the inventor of the modeling rocket systems for the outer Galactic Space Systems including the Vectra 5 Galaxy space Voyager invented the hardware for this if you get a PhD in astrophysics and Astro engineering this is the perfect unit for you
Guess who lets you show just your favourite amps on the device? That Kemper thing 😛
What a painful experience. That’s why I chose the Fender TMP, so pleasant to play guitar without the frustration and favourite option is there
So you gave up on a lot of sound just to safe a little bit of time learning the unit...
@ the TMP as enough presets to make anyone happy and who needs a thousands presets anyway, 2-3 amps models, a few pedals and that’s it.
@@Antitrump7431 But for 2-3 amps and some pedals you don't need the TMP either...
@ for me yes, I send my signal to studio monitors and with the TMP you get top captures at a fraction of the cost of the real amp
The unit sounds great, no denying that. As a QC owner, this video has actually reinforced my decision to go with QC.
There’s also no denying that possibilities on this beat every other competitor. I’d however get lost in the menu diving here for sure. I just don’t have time to tweak for hours.
I completely get what they’re saying - it’s not possible to make the UI easier with the existing plethora of options and tweaks possible. Here would be my ideal but perhaps impossible to implement solution - have the user select UI experience during initial set up (let’s say basic, normal, advanced). Then each tier introduces more “deep dives” and can be changed in global setting later on, once proficiency in a given mode has been achieved.
That is actually what the did in the vp4!
@@berndkiltz that is for sure a step in the right direction so I’m glad they did that and hopefully can take the same approach for their modellers.
The Fractal stuff is what you get when you build devices just with engineers and developers, but not a single UX designer. Devices with crazy good signal processing and a ton of possibilities, but needs whole video series(!) to go fully behind its operation principles.
BEEEEEEEEERND
I hear this unit as all but unrivalled, but it seems their ui for many is largely impenetrable. Every video I’ve ever seen makes my eyes glaze over, and my brain wish I had a computer science degree.
Really... If you invest a little time and watch some videos, you can get great sounds out of it very quickly. Just play throught the factory presets, finetune a little bit and you can play any style without diving into menues. You can go deep. You do not have too!
The FM3 has easily the worst interface of all modeling units. Not even close.
Fractal audio also has more tweakable parameters than any other modeler, and it's not even close. I think people forget that. How would you propose making the menu system better without dumbing the unit down? I think fractal did a good job on the menu, given how in depth the unit is
@@DJakeSt Yes, but having menus that are too complicated isn’t necessarily a good solution either. People end up spending too much time adjusting settings instead.
I know several people in my circle who spend more time tweaking the parameters than actually improving their guitar playing.
Hmm... how about the GT1000 from Boss? 😂 That is WAY worse
I have to disagree. Units like the QC or Helix might seem easier but that’s just due to the limited functionality compared to Fractal.
I use it on the fly to adjust delays, reverbs, drives, even swaping amps and ir's :)
Macht doch das auf Deutsch ...
Bei mir gibts TONNEN von deutschen Videos zu fractal ;)
@berndkiltz Aber das Gestottere ist ja nicht zum Aushalten.
warum moserst Du denn hier rum... geh doch zum Bernd... der hat die auf deutsch... mein Kanal ist halt auf english.
Lern doch Englisch...
@@ickebins6948 Das ist kein Englisch ... 🙂
Yeah. Fractal fanboys will not allow criticism or will even kill you if you dare to say anything against it. Wtf. No, it is not for everyone, no it is not "the best". Just swallow that. You have to like it, as you have to like anything else.
Soundwise and FX wise, it IS the best.
Agree with you
you yt name is alienlovesecrets? You know that steve is using fractal, right? LOL
@berndkiltz so, my yt name has... what exactly to do with the point here? Or the fact that other famous artist use different great gear from different brands has... what exactly to do with the point here? Of course, I know, wise man Bernd: Steve Vai uses the FX in the Axe3. Others prefer maybe Evetide's or Strymon's. Everybody knows, that Steve Vai owns the Axe3 for its fx but thank you for reminding. I own the fm3 after I have sold the fm9 turbo. I own almost all the newer units or owned them in the past, that's why I somehow have to know. Nobody says fractal is bad, at least I don't, while others may do. It is fractal's fanboys that want the world so badly to say "fractal is the best". In fact fractal's products are good. But there IS NO such thing like "the best", as you stated above. Why is it so difficult to understand? Amp wise I clearly prefer my Amp1from Bluguitar or the quad cortex, hands down. They are better than fractal's. Guess what: for me, like for many others. That's all that matters.
For the fx I prefer the fm3, most of the time but almost all the other units have very usablefx, too. Even the fx in my Kemper are superb. Is fractal bad? No, not at all. I just want the fractal cult to stop being such trolls. Proof: YOU even deleted posts from your channel in the past, that simply criticised fractal in a polite way. Your reaction here ("LOL") proves again my point. If that is not cultish and (sorry) "trollish", tell me what is. If you are happy with fractal, cool. Allow the world (and Henning, who dared to criticise something in the video and you immediately tried so hard to convince of the opposite) to have different opinions, there is a lot of good stuff ("better" for so many people and for so many reasons) in the world. Ask Henning again and let him tell if I am wrong :-).
I was seriously thinking about the FM3 but Im glad I watched this ,but I am also looking at the Friedman IRJ and IRX ,yes a little bit different situation with them but I still like using a amp ,but if I played out I think the FM3 would be the way to go ,technology has come a long way and theres alot of great toys out there
I use the IRX in the loop of a Line 6 HX Effects. It's an extremely powerful duo with a real tube preamp.
@@revsharp777 Or level up the effect quality and use a vp4 with the ir-x. It is an awesome combination ;)
@@berndkiltz that would work as well, but the HX does everything I and most working musicians need.
What a nightmare device. Even if the German Brian May likes the vox30 😂
Thank frickin god I didn't buy this and went for a quad cortex. This seems so complicated and out of date with the times, it desperately needs a touch screen
Until it breaks...
@@Pt.karolis I have both. The QC is so far behind, it's not even funny. The axe fx runs laps around what the QC can do. Fractals PC software is as intuitive as any other modeler's.
@@DJakeSt QC has the touchscreen, but is it REALLY that much easier to operate without watching tutorials or reading the manual? If you use the editor, the differences dissapear. But the build quality and FX quality don'T ;)
Well it is marketed towards "pros"...
I would not want a touchscreen on stage...
Shite interface
no editor? u serious? i bought a surface tablet only for tweek it live xD
of course it has an editor... but we are showing how to use it without one in this video... more video WITH editor are coming.
@@EytschPi42 i own fm3 and fm9, but i dont wanna deal with it without an editor, thats what my comment was about