I’M NOT YOUR DADDY I’M YOUR GRANDPA!!! (Continue down for QnA)... Q1. What is the point of bringing up his feats when you then talk about power levels? A: You’d be surprised by the amount of people I’ve discussed who believe power levels are unreliable. This is why I wanted to emphasize the surprisingly impressive feats Goku Jr has shown since he’s more than “average human” level. Power levels is not the only way to figure out how tough a character is and Goku Jr is a simple but effective character to make that point. Q2. Why Power Levels? Aren’t they unreliable or outdated? A: Depending on the character. If a character eclipsed Frieza saga scaling, sure, it’s mostly headcanon. However, we simply use power levels as baseline equivalence based on what is presented in the series. That is why I decided to go one step beyond and include the S-Cells argument because while Goku Jr doesn’t fight any overpowered enemy, his raw potential and saiyan nature could tell us more about his true hidden abilities. Q3. Why did you Bring up Grade 4 scaling? A: I’ll admit, that was more hype headcanon from me. Normally, I do the best I can to exclude any headcanon onto my videos, but I thought it’d be a neat hypothetical inclusion to Goku Jr’s stats. Even to this day, I’ve debated people who don’t agree Grade 4 is more than 50x, yet fans still agree there are levels of ssj mastery, so I thought it was worth bringing up given how much the scaling meta has evolved and how it could also affect minor characters like Goku Jr. Q4. This isn't a question but something I didn't feel necessary to bring up in the video. Since Goku Jr's special is based on GT, which is based on the toei anime, i mainly used the anime continuity scaling, which is why the stats i listed for the conclusion will likely be higher than say if I used manga only. In case anyone thinks I overhyped his stats. BTW, please don't take my outerversal joke and power level cookie cards jokes seriously. My sense of humor tends to be on the sarcasm side. Also, if yall like these smaller digestible scaling videos, then please, comment as to whether you like to see more of these short duration videos for other minor characters.
Man I wish they had a series about goku and vegeta jr.the idea of a post goku world sounds so interesting,our cast is gone,goku is only remembered in legend,pan didn’t even know vegeta jr existed,there was so much potential
I think that would be more interesting than Daima as a concept. The stakes be lower and still feel serious. We could see or learn something about Goku Jr's or Vegeta Jr's parents. Maybe an interesting storyline about Android 18 seeing how her infinite youth affects her life seeing her child get older than herself. (probably wouldn't tackle this even if true). Nah, they probably just bring back Goku and Vegeta and give them Super Saiyan 433 or something
Good to see a breakdown on Goku Jr. Always found it interesting that he had more of a timid mindset of Gohan than Goku, leads more room for growth, but also because of that lack of courage or confidence really does play in to on a surface level being weak or at least super human levels of durability and speed with little training, but once he learns to utilize his ki there's a whole wealth of power untapped. He also seeems to grow in to learning to enjoy fighting by the time he meets Vegeta Jr, thus showing more of Goku in that right. Also a shame he didn't make it to SZ he could been the Fifth memeber of the Goku-adjecent squad. With Kid Goku, Goten, GT Goku and Goku Mini.
Actually, saying "x mastered the Super Saiyan form" doesn't necessarily equate to grade 4 as Vegeta was given the same description in daizenshuu 2 when talking about him using ssj vs the androids, otherwise good video
damn, the Broly video looks kinda different. I hope we can see more videos on niche characters. Maybe THE CHAD General Rildo? The shadow dragons? Goku from Dragon Ball Evolution?
8:41 Grade 3 doesn't give a 10x boost to super saiyan (its still 50x) that misconception came from a French guide and it will never go away Chuck even used it one time
7:35 Pretty sure he didn't really achieve it , it was a very temporary state while trying his best and couldn't stay in it at all . The proper achievement would've been later when he got stronger .
It's still embedded in his genetics, which counts as him aqquiring it. Same thing can be said for Gohan when statements say Gohan aqquired a new power that surpassed everyone else's, when he couldn't use it at will. Goku in the Movies dealt with a similar to Goku Jr. where he couldn't use Super Saiyan at will for some reason.
It’s nice to see you back in action again. I think Goku Jr. scales to Black Frieza because GT happens after super, that’s how this works, right? Lol. I’m still thinking about Dragon Ball Evolution’s “Geeko”, since you have a movie and a video game to pull from and that’s it.
He is more a Great Great Grandson of Pan. Gohan is his ancestor as well though. I think meant namesake. Akira did state in same interview that he thought 50X was 2 low, hence by the context clues he meant 10X of previous powerup, so 20 X 10 = 200X at base. He either mentioned that he saw it at that point, not as a recurring multiplier. The 200X does make more sense with Freeza forms than 50 X though. As with 50X that means or Freeza's 3rd form is barely a powerup from 2nd (even though he own Piccolo in 3rd form, while getting owned by Piccolo in 2nd form) or the 4th form at 1% is weaker than the 3rd form (what either wouldn't make sense, as 1% of the 4th form would be 1.2 Million). Freez's 2nd form is at 1.06 Million (as it was stated 2 a double of 4th form), if the 1% 4th form is 1.2 Million, than the 3rd form is somewhere around 1.13 Million (what makes 3rd form useless and doesn't make sense with the Piccolo fights). If the 3rd form is a double of 2nd form again (what would make more sense with the Piccolo fights) than it would be 2.12 Million, what would make it higher than the 1% 4th form (what of course either doesn't make sense). So if the 4th form would be a double of 3rd form, than it becomes 4.24 Million and than going with the 100% than it is 100X 4.24 Million = 424 Million. What would be much higher than Goku if he had 50X multipler at that point, so or Goku's base was higher than 3 Million (at bare minimum be 8.5 Million (as 8.5 Million X 50 = 425 Million) or the 200X multiplier (what Akira 1st thought off) aka 600 million would make more sense on how easily Goku owned Freeza. But going with interview that Akira did show he didn't care much what the multipler was. Either Beerus did think Goku in base couldn't beat Freeza, but when Goku turned Super Saiya-Jin than Beerus could see how Goku beat Freeza. Whis didn't correct him. If going by this statement alone (and not anything else in series) than Goku Jr could beat (Namek saga) Freeza with ease, XD.
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I’M NOT YOUR DADDY I’M YOUR GRANDPA!!!
(Continue down for QnA)...
Q1. What is the point of bringing up his feats when you then talk about power levels?
A: You’d be surprised by the amount of people I’ve discussed who believe power levels are unreliable. This is why I wanted to emphasize the surprisingly impressive feats Goku Jr has shown since he’s more than “average human” level. Power levels is not the only way to figure out how tough a character is and Goku Jr is a simple but effective character to make that point.
Q2. Why Power Levels? Aren’t they unreliable or outdated?
A: Depending on the character. If a character eclipsed Frieza saga scaling, sure, it’s mostly headcanon. However, we simply use power levels as baseline equivalence based on what is presented in the series. That is why I decided to go one step beyond and include the S-Cells argument because while Goku Jr doesn’t fight any overpowered enemy, his raw potential and saiyan nature could tell us more about his true hidden abilities.
Q3. Why did you Bring up Grade 4 scaling?
A: I’ll admit, that was more hype headcanon from me. Normally, I do the best I can to exclude any headcanon onto my videos, but I thought it’d be a neat hypothetical inclusion to Goku Jr’s stats. Even to this day, I’ve debated people who don’t agree Grade 4 is more than 50x, yet fans still agree there are levels of ssj mastery, so I thought it was worth bringing up given how much the scaling meta has evolved and how it could also affect minor characters like Goku Jr.
Q4. This isn't a question but something I didn't feel necessary to bring up in the video. Since Goku Jr's special is based on GT, which is based on the toei anime, i mainly used the anime continuity scaling, which is why the stats i listed for the conclusion will likely be higher than say if I used manga only. In case anyone thinks I overhyped his stats.
BTW, please don't take my outerversal joke and power level cookie cards jokes seriously. My sense of humor tends to be on the sarcasm side. Also, if yall like these smaller digestible scaling videos, then please, comment as to whether you like to see more of these short duration videos for other minor characters.
omg who cares. YOUR BALLS ARE FINALLY DROPPING IN THE VID YAAAAAY! Only took you two years.
Man I wish they had a series about goku and vegeta jr.the idea of a post goku world sounds so interesting,our cast is gone,goku is only remembered in legend,pan didn’t even know vegeta jr existed,there was so much potential
I think that would be more interesting than Daima as a concept. The stakes be lower and still feel serious. We could see or learn something about Goku Jr's or Vegeta Jr's parents. Maybe an interesting storyline about Android 18 seeing how her infinite youth affects her life seeing her child get older than herself. (probably wouldn't tackle this even if true).
Nah, they probably just bring back Goku and Vegeta and give them Super Saiyan 433 or something
@@M3rtyvillea Goku Jr series and even Daima are both better concepts than Super.
People say "Can Gojo beat Goku?!"
Mf has to get past Goku Jr first
Not even he couldn't even beat kid goku......
Good to see a breakdown on Goku Jr. Always found it interesting that he had more of a timid mindset of Gohan than Goku, leads more room for growth, but also because of that lack of courage or confidence really does play in to on a surface level being weak or at least super human levels of durability and speed with little training, but once he learns to utilize his ki there's a whole wealth of power untapped.
He also seeems to grow in to learning to enjoy fighting by the time he meets Vegeta Jr, thus showing more of Goku in that right.
Also a shame he didn't make it to SZ he could been the Fifth memeber of the Goku-adjecent squad. With Kid Goku, Goten, GT Goku and Goku Mini.
Goku Jr had Mastered Ultra Instinct in base from birth.
Really loving these videos
My goat numbers
Actually, saying "x mastered the Super Saiyan form" doesn't necessarily equate to grade 4 as Vegeta was given the same description in daizenshuu 2 when talking about him using ssj vs the androids, otherwise good video
I want him in sparking zero
Great video!
Hello
Now it finally settles the true question:
Can Cabba solo Goku JR?
Nice a new video!
damn, the Broly video looks kinda different.
I hope we can see more videos on niche characters. Maybe THE CHAD General Rildo? The shadow dragons? Goku from Dragon Ball Evolution?
0:54 Gohan isn't his ancestor ? Lol
GOKU JR CONTENT IN THE GREAT BIG 2024?! WHAT WORLD AM I LIVING IN!
8:41 Grade 3 doesn't give a 10x boost to super saiyan (its still 50x) that misconception came from a French guide and it will never go away Chuck even used it one time
We really need that GT Goku video tp course correct history XD
Been missing these videos, although this definitely wasn't the next character I expected
I’m in the camp that Goku Jr is easily a potential god and probably have a massive power in his MSSJ form. He’s likely early Android level
I honestly think pan on one of her journies found roshi former pet phoenix some after it resurrected and was bestowed semi enternal life.
The Next Guy Should Be Shallot
Hell yeah Goku Jr.(Descendant) would destroy King Piccolo and Raditz together no problem!!!😤
7:35 Pretty sure he didn't really achieve it , it was a very temporary state while trying his best and couldn't stay in it at all . The proper achievement would've been later when he got stronger .
It's still embedded in his genetics, which counts as him aqquiring it. Same thing can be said for Gohan when statements say Gohan aqquired a new power that surpassed everyone else's, when he couldn't use it at will. Goku in the Movies dealt with a similar to Goku Jr. where he couldn't use Super Saiyan at will for some reason.
In Cell Games ofc
similar to Gohan*
Gohan is his ancestor?
Yes Because Gohan is pan's father
WEN BROCCOLI!!!1111!
It’s nice to see you back in action again. I think Goku Jr. scales to Black Frieza because GT happens after super, that’s how this works, right? Lol.
I’m still thinking about Dragon Ball Evolution’s “Geeko”, since you have a movie and a video game to pull from and that’s it.
He is more a Great Great Grandson of Pan.
Gohan is his ancestor as well though. I think meant namesake.
Akira did state in same interview that he thought 50X was 2 low, hence by the context clues he meant 10X of previous powerup, so 20 X 10 = 200X at base. He either mentioned that he saw it at that point, not as a recurring multiplier.
The 200X does make more sense with Freeza forms than 50 X though. As with 50X that means or Freeza's 3rd form is barely a powerup from 2nd (even though he own Piccolo in 3rd form, while getting owned by Piccolo in 2nd form) or the 4th form at 1% is weaker than the 3rd form (what either wouldn't make sense, as 1% of the 4th form would be 1.2 Million).
Freez's 2nd form is at 1.06 Million (as it was stated 2 a double of 4th form), if the 1% 4th form is 1.2 Million, than the 3rd form is somewhere around 1.13 Million (what makes 3rd form useless and doesn't make sense with the Piccolo fights). If the 3rd form is a double of 2nd form again (what would make more sense with the Piccolo fights) than it would be 2.12 Million, what would make it higher than the 1% 4th form (what of course either doesn't make sense).
So if the 4th form would be a double of 3rd form, than it becomes 4.24 Million and than going with the 100% than it is 100X 4.24 Million = 424 Million. What would be much higher than Goku if he had 50X multipler at that point, so or Goku's base was higher than 3 Million (at bare minimum be 8.5 Million (as 8.5 Million X 50 = 425 Million) or the 200X multiplier (what Akira 1st thought off) aka 600 million would make more sense on how easily Goku owned Freeza.
But going with interview that Akira did show he didn't care much what the multipler was.
Either Beerus did think Goku in base couldn't beat Freeza, but when Goku turned Super Saiya-Jin than Beerus could see how Goku beat Freeza. Whis didn't correct him. If going by this statement alone (and not anything else in series) than Goku Jr could beat (Namek saga) Freeza with ease, XD.
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