So I Read Those Terrible "44 Rules for D&D" and...
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- Professor DM gives his take on the viral "44 Rules of D&D" (Ep. #399)
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Makes me realize how lucky I am to have a great group of players at my table.
A great group keeps you interested and in love with the game!
@@BrentRogers5 It really does.
Absolutely!
Same here!
You're very lucky. I hope that one day I can have a group where everyone gets along and regularly shows up to see a campaign to its completion
So many problems can be avoided if people just find the right group to play with. If you want a serious game don't have dipshits at the table.
We had a group that would start shit with the DM on the regular. It burned him out and he never played with that group again.
That happened to me.
It felt like I was constantly prepping content for Scoobi and the gang to run away from.
When I put them into a forced situation, they cried.
So many wasted hours.
Rule 45: If you keep saying "Gay -master" instead of "Gamemaster," and I call you out, and you say "But I was _saying_ 'Gamemaster!'" I will pack up my things and leave. And we're breaking up.
Hahaha lmao I’m gonna be on the player side of that now
I had an idea that there was something more to the manifesto story, & though the referee was angry & hyperbolic, he might be right about a few points.
I feel for the guy, for I had seriously problematic players I had to ban from the group due to often hogging the spotlight & lone-wolfing in a group game, cheating with dice/stats/etc., as well as sabotaging & undermining other players. These bad players were warned, but for some reason they didn't believe me until I texted them that they were permanently removed because they repeated their misconduct in the next game.
Ouch!
So many angry rules, but I like your take on it.
"...Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to suffering." -Yoda
As an old groknard my 2cts are: Have fun at your game night table, time spent with friends is rare and precious.
Yup. Amen.
Whomever wrote the 44 rules for Reddit is an angry child and should NOT be a DM.
Hello professor! While looking through the dungeon library I see much info about the various editions of the game. But information on 4th edition has been torn out of the pages at the university library, along with information on the planet Kamino.
I was wondering if you could make a video or comment on why this edition is not only unpopular, but it’s so unpopular that everyone appears to have forgotten about it.
I personally did not care for 4E. That said, it had some good ideas, like minions. I think it's less popular because it doesn't have a retro-clone. Pathfinder is 3E. Shadowdark & OSE are B/X. Not total clones--but in that tradition. The only game that seems to embrace 4E is MCDM RPG. Well see how that does. Cheers!
If Deathbringer starts a cult, I will be applying for a position as a an acolyte.
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I 100% support the DM who wrote the original post. I would not play at their table and I suspect I would not even want to hang out with the person, but I support their right to DM their way.
Very reasonable reading of this 'manifesto' as you called it. A frustrated DM with a very different set of expectations from their players who is dealing with a large group of immature players, but aside from a few rules and some repetition, none of the points are super unreasonable.
They should have pissed him off and let him go home, then run a decent game with someone else DMing. I got a lot of rules for my game, but it mostly just guidelines for fair play, explanation of some terms (THACO), and house rules. The only rule I am adamant and always pissed off about is the use of that terrible cursed item called a cell phone, using it will cost you and if you are so buried in it that you missed your turn when I was calling out action, Tough Nuggies.
On the subject of players: you need a DM that knows his game, and really a maximum of maybe 8 characters. Anymore and the party is becoming tooo unwieldly. Played with a DM once that had about 2-14 players, and then proceeded to throw them into a random teleporter. An hour sitting around till the DM got back to where you were and everyone waiting for their chance to do something while he dealt with one or two people somewhere on the other side of the dungeon. Was in another game where there were 22 people in a very narrow room with horrible acoustics, the first 4 people next to the DM got to do things, no one else could hear what was going on.
Fight the DM, OK, but in a fight, I cheat in any manner possible...don't get shot.
This DM seems to think he is playing Paranoia, and killing characters is the reason we are here. I have a tendency to pull hits if they are somewhat unfair (Read: immediately fatal). However, if some character is constantly getting into stupid situations, well it is time to die.
With all the powers, actions, spells, abilities, interrupts, and other junk the characters are allowed to do, the DM telling the party WE ARE NOT using that should be a mandatory rule.
By the time thie dick got to rule 20 or so, I would be saying "That's it, your don, don't come back!"
The players REALLY SHOULD treat this guy as the enemy, he treats them like slaves and vermin.
Put him in the stocks and he cried to his mother! LOL! Daddy DM means business!
I almost feel bad for the DM. Kinda reminds me of the group(s) I tried to play with in Highschool, just complete dumpster fires, with no options to change up who was there.
I need to know more about zones!
Here you go! th-cam.com/video/7_hq7JE55CQ/w-d-xo.html
That Deathbringer outro was gold, I burst out laughing
btw, isn't Mothership a game the Critical Role kids did as a one shot? I remember Ashley being the game master.
having played w/"those"people, it's only worth it if they paying for all the food+drinks: eat 4 free = waste my time...
The part about "they are kids" is spot on. It reminds me when I started roleplaying with some friends and I had regular arguments with one of them, because he was a powerplayer and tried to break the game each chance he had. Once he even told me "who do you think you are to tell me what can I play or I can't play in the game". And I said: "I'm the game master".
In the end I came to my senses and just stopped calling him to my games. It was better for both of us.
I started playing at 7 years old. I was ridiculous. Our whole group was. We had a blast, but we were definitely doing many of the slightly more benign things like cheating. No breaking stuff or ruining it. We did always show up on time cause it was the best thing we did all week.
Amen
@@silasrobertshaw8122 There are TTRPGs specifically designed for kids these days, the one I'm thinking of is from 6 years and up. With an adult GM, of course. Times change. :)
people often forget that going their separate ways is an option
@@silasrobertshaw8122 one of our DM is playing with his family, the youngest being 7. He often tell us how he has to herd their attention back to the game, and make more bathroom breaks. It's definitely a different rhythm with children/teenagers than with a bunch of adults in their 30's/40's
I recommend that this group hold off on the drugs and alcohol until after the game.
I agree.
Drug enjoyers are famously great at taking advice.
@@robandtina I mean, it's a simple test. Either you can hold off the bong for 4 hours until after the D&D session...or you can't. If you can't, you should probably take that as a sign that you may have a problem and begin addressing it before it gets worse. Of course, I say this with the experience of having already gone through my teens and learned that lesson (thankfully not with drugs) the hard way on several occasions.
Hey my group of 7 would smoke all session and we did well
@@DUNGEONCRAFT1 Prof BuzzKill
"If you metagame, your character will immediately take damage." The irony is delightful.
Yup
When an OOC discussion of tactics could fucking save time, do you really want to damage them for trying to point out where the enemies could strike from?
@@csmead209honestly, as others have pointed out, this list is quite often a knot of contradictions.
It really depends on what the DM means when they say metagame whether it's reasonable or absurd.
I do think the idea is funny though of metagaming inducing damage caused by reality itself.
@@seigeengine I'd like to think it's something like 'the fabric of reality has warped to give you this knowledge, but in turn exchanged it with your flesh' honestly it would be kind of cool to have that as a hard mechanic.
I heard that these rules were originally posted in Reddit by one of the players (who had a history of posts bragging about giving their DM a hard time), but then took it down when the comments started to ask what the players were doing to warrant these rules.
Yup.
Thank you for context!
This GM is a complete and utter cunnt. Its no wonder his players are cheating and not showing up or not careing. He is an a hole he is being treated as such. If your players are going out of their way to make you angry you are the problem in 90% of cases.
@@MauseDays I'm not saying that the GM is a good guy, AT ALL. But if you're honestly looking through the entire list and not catching any red flags from the players then I don't know what to tell you.
@@MauseDays Did you somehow misread the comment you replied to? The players were explicitly bullying the DM and bragging about it. The only reason the "44 rules" even existed (posted by one of the players with no context) was that the DM couldn't take anymore, ended the campaign, then the players pestered him to keep it going (so they could bully him some more), so he gave this ultimatum for if he came back (which reads less like "this is how I imagine a reasonable game group should function" and more "I reserve the right to fuck off the moment any of you start your bullshit again")
We covered this on my podcast a week or so ago, during that I explained how the person who posted these rules got caught on other forums saying him and his friends were screwing with this dungeon master making his life difficult.
Yeah there are some shitty gamers out there
So they drove this poor DM to a Mental Breakdown INTENTIONALLY?! What a bunch of assclowns!
@@ForeverDegenerate Sadly bad people play this game too :(
And if you watch xp to level 3s video on this topic he goes so hard on the DM he didn't even think to read between the lines to see what was actually going on. Incredibly uncharitable video
I said it before I say it again: I wish either Carrie or Mike Myers had a word or two with these players... And you know exactly what I mean: "red ink"
We had broke our old forever DM too many times, but never to this point...
Was the DM a literal child? 😝
The writing and attitude comes across to me as someone below the age of 18.
@@nowayjosedaniel the first time i read it, i feel that he had enough. Believe me, our carpool player had enough of having to travel both cities and now i am on my own (then he also refused to travel the entire of his own city too, this would had not happened if I didn't move out i guess) and we are both gen-xs. Also the "you break it you buy it" happened to me, and seriously, these players look more like some frat bros who you wish Jason Voorhes had a talk to them... many of his rules are more of "ENOUGH" and the OP gave me "dude it's just a prank, bro" vibe
@@solouno2280 I mean, when I was in my 30s the group had one player who was often, how to put it, a little too drunk to be fun at the table. I can see a lot of these things being college age, or even more.
Yeah, the complete breakdown of communication and ranty response feels younger, but I've absolutely seen similar "I've had enough and am also not handling this well" manifesto situations happen with folks in their 30s and 40s.
@@nowayjosedanielThis reads to me like a young adult that had been trying to get this game group to work and it isn’t and they want to keep him being DM. He is old enough to know what he wants but not mature enough to get it or leave.
That is just part of growing as a player.
@@leodouskyron5671 college kid. Imv still a child but a grown up one.
Sounds like toxic players and a DM that needs to find a new group. Not worth all that just to play D&D.
That's what I thought as well. How long has this group of players been jerks to this DM? I'm sure it took more than a couple sessions to drive this DM into this state of mind. Hobby time is precious. 😢
Yup. But you can't always choose when you're 17.
Wish I could ⛲️
You forgot the fact that the dm is also kinda toxic.
Nah, they deserve each other. If they split up, they might infect other groups.
No 14. I play with people who are "on call" for work. One person recently got deployed on a coast guard rescue mission 10 min before we were set to begin. 🤷♂
Yeah I'm on call 1 of every 4 weeks.
Real life comes first I have a friend who has a elderly mother he will be 60 minutes late always.
@@bobreaper2142this is my tables rule too. If you’ve got a real life thing come up at the last second, it happens, just let us know and we’ll reschedule to the “backup day” or just cancel.
Exactly, I felt horrible for having to call in at the last second, last week. Flat tire and riding a donut. Thankfully, everyone was fine with it because life happens.
Just curious, but did this have to do with the Michigan VII incident?
Your own time spent on gaming is precious. A group of "friends" that that would drive their DM to this point of frustration isnt worth it. 😮😑
Young ones have that boundless energy which can make this happen without their realizing it. Setting ground rules at the outset of a game is never a bad thing. It also sets expectations for what you as a GM will and will not tolerate at your table. That can dampen enthusiasm, but it can also bring realization and improvement to the game.
Unfortunately, some GMs don't see their players as friends. And not even just those who do it professionally.
@@horusfalcon Personally I take more issue with the tone that is used in the list. To me, it clearly comes from a place of hostility and frustration. Regardless of how valid the actual rules are, presenting them with this tone is *never* an improvement to the game. It really sounds like the GM is like Prof.DM said, not quite an adult yet. And in my opinion uses his spot as GM to try and get some kind of control or power over things happening in their life. The ironic thing is, the tone that is used will generally make people not take you seriously, and especially with not-quite-adult people, might even have them intentionally push the boundaries to get a reaction.
@@sitnamkrad I don't so much as take issue, and just try to understand where he's coming from. I've been there.
@@sitnamkrad I don't give a shit about his tone. Those kids fucked around with him, and this is as human and justified a response to them as any.
It's a list of demands for returning to the DM seat for these bad players.
18 - he's talking about dog-piling rolls. E.g. the wizard fails an arcana check, so the party all rolls to try and get it. The barbarian gets a 19 knowing more than the wizard.
37 is not contradictory. It's treat me like a DM, not your friend that will break rules for you.
I recently ran into a player who insists you have to memorize the rules front to back because "DMs cant be trusted". and "I go by the rules not what some DM makes up on the fly". So I guess there IS market for AI DMs
Good luck with that. Even Gygax said the DM has the final say.
I'm trying to wrap my head around thinking "the DM cannot be trusted." Sort of sounds like that player's sole motivation is winning the game rather than any of the other things I like about TTRPGs.
@@ericfleming5522 exactly. That’s how I played when I was 11-17
@@ericfleming5522 I once had a player like that in college who was like that when I was both a player and GM. Kept trying to power game constantly so he could be an 90's action hero, accused me of favoritism with another player (the only player that actually played the damn game.) He also regularly dressed up like Albert Wesker from Resident Evil (not joking) and handed out business cards advertising himself as a paranormal investigator (again not joking)... I still have one of his cards in my wallet because it's the only way I have proof that someone this insane actually existed. I consider hitting up the contact information on that card to see if he's still the douchebag I remember then I ask myself why?
Anyway, you actually hit the motivation square on the head. It's about some notion of "winning." Someone would blame video games for this mentality but I've also met old school pre-video game players that also very much think this way.
Sounds like this guy needs to run a few sessions since he knows it all
I've seen a few other TH-camr takes on this one, and it all boils down to this: If you remove all the hurt and malice, most of these are not terribly unreasonable expectations. It's just the valid points are almost completely buried beneath this mountain of anger and frustration.
I appreciate the way you provided the added benefit of cutting through the rhetoric filter to focus on the merits of the "rules" themselves. This is probably the most mature, based, and insightful take on these "rules" yet. Bob World Builder's take comes in at a very close second.
Also, Deathbringer should absolutely steal that last line. 😆 He did! That was perfect! Thanks! It was worth sticking it out to the end of the video!
Thanks so much!
Also... eff combat zones.
They are the shittiest most vague and pretentious "Oh, it workes THO much betters because it's faster"... but you're left with a vague:
DM: "yeah bruh, you're kind of close but not too close. If you move any close, the dragon will roll opposed seduction because of you trying to charm them into not attacking."
Bard: "My time has come!"
@@hariman7727 I agree on combat zones. I tried it many years ago in one of my campaigns that I ran and it seemed to slow down combat. A lot of "yah, but..." with every possible move. The system we eventually adopted in all my games was rather simple. Player tells me what he wants to do or move to, states his movement rate, and I make a quick decision of yes, no, or maybe but with penalties. Worked great and combat ran so much smoother and quicker.
You can't remove the malice. I admire the professor's generosity here, but disagree with the take. Teens should be held responsible for writing stuff like this. Even if you cut the GM some slack for internet bravado, frustration, and having bad players, it's still inappropriate. His rhetoric clearly expresses aggression and lack of empathy, not frustration. I do feel bad for him because he clearly has some very bad role models.
@@matthew7419 What I have heard is that a PLAYER posted this, and that the group of players were deliberately instigating/antagonizing the DM, which got this reaction.
So... if that's true, I'm much more inclined to be easier on the DM.
Obviously he's raging... But it's cathartic to watch and I can sympathize LoL 😂
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3:30 There is also "the Intelligence conundrum" - where you're DM'ing for someone with a super-intelligent character who isn't very gifted in real life. Had lots of wizards at my table making 5 INT decisions on the regular over the years...
That problem exist with all the non-physical stats.
@@Woodclaw It also exists in real life. There are plenty of stupid smart people in the world.
@mbg4681 The stupid smart people are mid, but due to education come across as having a higher INT.
It would be like a 1-10 score and being a 6 or 7. This seems low, but when you go out in the world and see people with 1-5 INT, you realize a 6 or 7 is the high end of society and they seem really smart. But 6 or 7 is still stupid af compared to 8+, and everyone seems like an idiot to a 10 until that 10 touches grass and talks to the 1-5 INT's of the world and realizes 6-7 is most doctors, lawyers, and PhD'. So yes - mostly idiots still, but geniuses compared to most people (1-5).
That was one of only things I disagreed with, and disagreed with the most. A player is 100% allowed to player a character stronger, more dexterous, more fit, smarter, wiser, and more charismatic than they are. Roleplaying comes in many flavors and a player using just the dice roll and stating what their intent is - is enough and other need to accept it, just as everyone at the table accepts and tolerates your bad accent and monologed of what happens when I asked for a persuasion check.
@@jamesyoung7400Right at my table you either need the stats or the actual words.
I like Mr. Welch's list of Things he is no longer allowed to do In TTRPGs.
Things like:
- My Paladin's battle cry is not "Good for the Good God".
- I will not think of Dwarves as burrowing animals.
- It is saving the Princess, not bringing back sexy.
- Even if they are the same acid blood aliens, I can't load my shotgun shell with baking powder.
the half dwarf with two shields always made me laugh... in 5e they got rid of dual shielding but wonder if he would try it with their replacement race (tortles, plus they can duck and have other +2 to AC)
You're boring
In re Paladin battle cries, why not bring back the classics. Say, "Butt-kicking ... FOR GOODNESS!"
@@hoi-polloi1863 If Mr. Welch does this, he would have to put it on the list.
I don't know, with the "Shotgun shells filled with baking powder" I'd probably just rule that the wound squirts harmless foam for a turn or two before the acid starts coming out.... (Or clarify that the "Acid" is actually a really strong base)
In high school I had to play with whoever was available and it was painful.
In my 20s and on, the I was able to join groups that were much more to my liking.
Yup
Recently I posted on Reddit about booting a guy a couple of years ago for being a power gamer and negatively affecting the group.
I was destroyed in the comments.
Reddit truly is a thunderdome of some opinions.
@@BBRSCNRedditors are the lowest IQ 17-24 year old man-childs you will ever meet. Insanely anti-intellectual, ultra liberal (right wing) american politics obsession including all the chauvinistic and racist liberalism (racist and sexist but not blatantal about it and hide it with some shame), massive god complexes bc their IQ is around 100 and they went to school with
@@BBRSCNSome people just ignore the R and P in RPG. If given the opportunity, gamers will optimize the fun out of games.
@@BBRSCNReddit freaking sucks for discussing dnd. If you make a post and then make the exact opposite post you will get destroyed in both comment sections.
Honestly as a DM I feel his pain. That said in reddit terms ESH. (everyone sucks here) A few of these actual not entirely bad rules although they are often extremely poorly implemented or stated.
I agree and it's how the rules are presented if a dm talked to me like that I'd get up and leave.
@@bobreaper2142 Yeah the rules aren't all bad, but the DM writing them comes off as a major a-hole.
@@taragnor But how they are written seem to indicate his players are too.
@@bobreaper2142 Right it's a toxic table al around. Maybe there are non toxic players who's only fault is they aren't willing to bail.
Bingo. I would be willing to bet that with a little spit and polish, no one would take exception to these rules. What's making people get all twitchy is the language. That's an Aussie thing. We shouldn't expect cultural values to be the same all over the world now, should we?
Watched a read through of them and felt bad for all involved and hope, if they were real players, they all found better hobby partners.
yeah .. my no 1 rule is games are supposed too be FUN. this sort of stress at the table .. just walk.
@@markhill3858the person writing the rules doesn't really run a game they're just angry
@@markhill3858 Personally, my Number 1 Rule on Reddit is that everything posted on there, _especially_ any "tabletop horror stories" are lies until proven otherwise.
@@MahkyVmedia1 no, no, he did, Captain Dunning-Kruger. The OP in the reddit post was one of his players, he posted this to mock the DM they were asking to come back and DM for them after a self-imposed hiatus, and these were his conditions. Redditors looked thru the players' post history, saw him post many times about he and his group giving their DM a hard time for fun, and when they confronted him about it in the comments, he dirty deleted. Now. Doesn't it feel good to know what actually happened, instead of being smugnorant? Doesn't it?
@@robinmohamedally7587 how do I know that's what actually happened? You're just some random.
Sounds a lot like an annoyed teenage DM. I had these kinds of feelings as a teen.
The question is did you actually talk to people like that ?
@@soniaiboyako4023 apparently I must have had some semblance of common sense and kept it to myself. Being prior to the World Wide Web either, it just sat on my computer.
The funny part of this is the list was appareblty posted by one of his players not the DM themselves.
Apparently the player thought posting this would be some kind of win.
Did not work out the way they thought it would.
On reddit I'm sure it is, although DMs look at it and think I agree with the vast majority of it, although wouldn't word it that way.
@@jamesyoung7400 The DM is an asshole although it seems like so are at least some of his players.
@@samflory The DM isn't an asshole, the dm is frustrated with his current group and who knows what pushed him to this point. To me it sounds like someone who tried playing nice and being friendly and it didn't work and something was the straw that broke the camels back and if I had to guess it was miniatures or books getting damaged.
@@jamesyoung7400 I agree the group pushed him too far, but if you respond like this you are likely an asshole too. He is threatening physical violence over fairly minor things for example. Normal people say fuck you find another DM. Assholes write deranged 44 point manifestos.
Some people still condemned the DM.
Did I say people? I meant redditors.
When you said, "What we have here is a failure to communicate," my mind immediately jumped to the movie Cool Hand Luke. 😊 gosh, I'm old.
That film is a solid banger!
The spirit of their rules makes sense, and I sense their frustration is at a peak, I can understand. It sounds like that have some bad players and I'm already envisioning who they are, because yea I know quite of lot of players that would make this rule rant make sense.
6:33 "My son threatened them...and they put him in jail. He went and cried to his mom, but he learned there are consequences." Combining the roles of dad and GM!😂
Gotta dad.
A couple of my players got a little pyromaniac thing going, and kept threatening to set everyone and everything on fire.
If they had come back to the main base town after one quest they were on, they were going to find royal guards brought down from the city to chaperone and possibly arrest them.
I haven't delved into this little bit of craziness but I will say at our table of grognards who are retired fighters, soldiers, and a combat medic, the option to resolve disagreements physically is always present. I recognize that our table is certainly not representative of most.
Thanks for watching! And sharing!
This made me chuck, in the army me an one other guy would rotate as DM/GM every so often. I can totally see the fight me rule being said in fact it might have been tossed around a few times.
I can relate. The last time I actually played table top was in the barracks at Ft.Campbell. Good times.
I want in!
I miss playing in the barracks.
One of my buddies from the back in the day and i were in a game ran by a civilian when 5e was fresh.
He had no idea what to do every time we started using Marine Corps tactics.
Roadside ambush? Yeah, we insist on pushing through.
Red Brand hideout? Seal the entrances, set fire and pick off survivors including flat out executing the ones who were suffering smoke inhalation.
We got an archer, a fighter and a string of beads of force? Sounds like classic breaching techniques for this entire dungeon floor.
He hated our ruthlessness!
16:41 "The Cool Hand Luke" 😂
WHat, we have HerE IS a FailURE to COMmunicate! Lol
Love Dungeon Craft videos. I'm glad you pointed out the probable age of the group. I remember as a teenager and trying to get a group together who were all on the same wavelength as far as the game was concerned. Fifty years later and I am still playing with several of those people.
Same
Same!
Me too not as long 10 years
I cannot help but wonder if this is some kind of in school "club", my friends when I was in HS would not treat me like this.
You had good friends. Some kids do. My daughter's friends were great kids.
I really feel how some people treat charisma is a double standard.
Making a player playing a charismatic Bard has to be convincingly persuasive in real life, is the same as requiring a player to be a able to physically wield a greatsword to be able to use it.
It is good to encourage roleplay and there are ways to do that without punishing players.
I concur.
That’s why I make my players role play the basic gist for what their characters are saying then roll. God role play gets a bonus poor penalties, the attempt is what I’m after. I get people aren’t necessarily as charismatic as their character, but everyone can at least try. Now if someone does come up really good in the role play, I’ll forego the dice all together.
This is the way
I LOLed @ "Taking drugs at our age is taking Aleve." PREACH. (God, I still miss Orudis.) 👴
44 Rules DM did one thing wrong. His players were real awful to him, his only mistake was continuing to play with these people.
Thanks for outing yourself as a Giant PoS beforehand. Now I know to avoid you 🤗
@@ultimor1183 lol, was your comment posted under the wrong comment? What you wrote has nothing to do with what he wrote
@@robinmohamedally7587 Nope, was intentional on my part. The person who made the 44 rules is acting out in a very toxic and enraged manner, which I don’t think is good. Expressing yourself hastily in anger usually never is. But they’re probably a teen or very young adult who is still working through their life and has a lot to learn. Probably just needs a break from GM’ing. Op for this comment has presumable had more years to let his brain grow, yet still put out a take so down in the dumps that I simply had to express my desire to never play with anyone who encourages this kind of behavior in anyone at their table.
You are weak and your children should be raised by real adults.
@@ultimor1183 Lol. You've exposed yourself as a toxic player. Good job. Rule 44's players were *toxic*. Actually, *intentionally toxic* and that triggered these rules.
If you think these are extreme in that circumstance I *definitely* would NEVER let you join a game I was running, since you think it'd be amusing the be a jackass and disrespectful.
Really sad. 😢 I am grateful for my fantastic players. 🤩 Something really important to remember in RPGs is that ALL of us are there to SERVE one another-our job is to make everyone else look AWESOME. If everyone comes to the table with this attitude there is no limit to how incredible each session could be. This, of course, requires a good dose of humility and good will to your fellow players. If selfishness and ill will are the norm at the table, it is time to change oneself or find a different group.
Sounds like you players are GREAT! Tell them Professor DM awards them +1 level for being cool.
@@DUNGEONCRAFT1 Will do! 🤩
I've seen this list under review a couple times now, and i gott'a say, i feel for the GM. I'm prety sure this list didn't get handed out in session zero. This person has been pushed to this point of ludicrousy (i don't think that is a word). They really need to game with better players.
As you said, we all play our own style of game... I once had someone quote Jeremy Crawford and i just said i don't care, he doesn't play at our table.
This whole thing is just nasty.
I believe 'lunacy' is the word you were looking for.
Also for added context the poster had other comments bragging about how the group were intentionally harassing the DM.
Grids got popular because past editions of D&D assumed their use, and it's even built directly into 3.5e. There's also multiple official D&D products that make use of grids, from dry erase game boards to miniatures with bases sized to the grid. Lots of off-brand retailers and people selling 3D printed models also make their products for a grid. This includes Paizo, whose dry erase matt I personally use, and Pathfinder encourages a grid as a result, so the two biggest games in the space want people to use the grid.
Also, you might consider it boring, but not everyone does. I personally find it a lot better than other systems because it leans heavily into tactical combat where positioning is important. You also avoid the "Are these goblins in a line?" issue and won't need DM judgement because you can clearly see where the goblins are and if you can line up your area attacks.
You say in an off-handed way that grids are metagaming, but I don't understand that point. If you were really in combat you would be able to see where your opponents are, so why is having their locations represented with a grid metagaming? I feel like this might have been a comment in the heat of the moment, as I can't see how you'd justify it.
Honestly, a lot of what you say about grids here comes off as personal bias, rather than considering that people might actually enjoy it. I don't enjoy theatre of the mind or zones, but that doesn't means I'd outright call them bad or metagaming. It's opinion, and you really shouldn't state yours as fact.
Yeah, the first time I heard about 'goblin prostitutes' made me laugh...still does.
Prostitutes, yes. Goblins, yes. For both together, I'd check with Minthara.
Re CHA type checks…. I only ask a general concept, not the actual language of the persuasion. Example “I appeal to his fear of harm,” or “I threaten his family.” At that point the die roll tells us a couple of things-does he have a family and how much he cares about them…. A roll of 3 doesn’t just mean you suck at threats, it can also mean you picked the wrong threat.
Interesting take.
Exactly! It's the same with Intelligence rolls.
You roll 1... Everyone rolls for initiative
You fail: he looks unamused, and says "I hate Mondays", "I don't have a family" or "my mom is a hag, make my day"
You succeed: you hit a nerve and he surrenders
Roll a 20: he even escorts you
I really hate that approach, but it's completely understandable.
Personally, the approach I like most is "do the best you can to roleplay it, understanding I'm not actually testing you on how intimidating you can actually be." Whether that's because rolls determine it, or because I'm going to respond earnestly back in a roleplaying-focused way is another matter.
The fact is you can't completely abstract the player's charisma without completely avoiding roleplaying. Heck, a player with bad enough charisma isn't going to be able to be enjoyable to play with.
And you can't abstract the player's intelligence completely out without basically reducing the game to a "win at life" check.
@@seigeengine I like this.
The way I've run these things is I use the roleplaying to add *bonuses* (and ONLY bonuses, I never subtract from the role due to the RL Player's Charisma/Intelligence or lack thereof).
A *really* well-played roleplay might get a +2 or +3, while no-roleplay, or just something cursory gets nothing.
It encourages effort from those that *want* to try, and if someone is feeling shy or introverted it doesn't really hurt them any.
I know the verbiage comes off harsh but if it is Australia, then its probably just how they talk....I don't think alot of the rules here are all that harsh - don't break my things, respect everyone's time, don't cheat, and remember my rules are final...I'm an incredibly lucky new DM... all my players have 15+ years exp with D&D and they actively help each other so I can focus on narratives and running combat and less on on the rules as written. If not for the support of my players, i could see anyone getting to this point.
Yeah I didn't know at first that this was Australian, then it made sense. Swearing is much less harsh to them I think. I remember someone telling me they had an Australian housemate who landed themselves in a lot of trouble throwing around certain swear words that they didn't realise were so offensive in other countries.
I LOVE ALL DUNGEONCRAFT VIDEOS AND EVERYTHING PDM DOES. I AM SAFE AND NOT IN HIS BASEMENT.
Thanks!
I honestly get this dude's #17.
Been running TTRPGs for 38 years now, starting with B/X. Only like the last 10 years have I started to see at public tables (I do demos at game stores, Cons, and books stores a lot, as well as I was desperate enough post COVID to join a public table with 9 total people) this idea that "Because I bought it, you have to let me use it" and no, no I don't. If I didn't buy that book, even in PDF, there is likely a good reason. If I DID buy it and STILL won't use it, there is a REALLY good reason.
It seems like, but I don't have enough data to prove it, that we are getting a new generation of TTRPG players that come from video game backgrounds. And they come to public tables thinking that this is going to be an in person MMO, and the GM is the Meat Computer running the math for them.
I had a group I was playing curse of strahd with. I had warned them it was a harder than average adventure. We played for over a year and we're no where near the halfway point. My players never learned how to play their characters. I even work shopped, and printed class specific aids to help them. They just wanted to sit and have me play the game for them. We had to take a month long hiatus due to a medical issue with one player. I asked if they wanted to play something else in the interim, the remaining players agreed. I offered DnD or something else...they all let me talk them into another system. I wrote the scenario, prepped their characters and was excited to try something new after the slog that CoS had become. These players, him-hawed and essentially waited out the clock until the ill player was back. I wasted weeks and energy on these people, and they never had time...until we were poised to return to barovia... I quit. I said I'd continue as DM once one of them ran me as a player through a 5 room dungeon one shot. It's been 3 years.
I feel your pain. Thanks for sharing!
I got into a similar situation.
I was volunteering my time at the LGS to run a game.
I was saddled w a group of post high school kids and it felt like I was running a game for Scoobi and the gang.
So many wasted hours of prep because they would turn and run at the first sight of danger, every time.
On my 3rd or so attempt to introduce a BBEG into the game, I put them in an unavoidable situation by setting up a roadside ambush.
These brats couldn't have handled the attack worse without intentionally killing themselves.
After the session, these kids cried worse than veterans that I know who went through similar ambushed in the real world at the same age.
I was so disgusted by those *kids* that I cannot even look at them without being angered and now I barely even go to that shop anymore.
Those are big red flags for me: if you've been playing for over a year and still don't know how to play your class properly, that's usually a sign of disinterest. Hope you can find a better group.
Ha! I assumed rule 44 would find its way into the final Deathbringer comment and I wasn't disappointed! Great way to foreshadow the end!
I am blessed with an awesome set of friends that love the game. Thanks for reminding of this fact.
One practice that I've adopted that would address several points on the list (borrowed from older editions) is using the "caller" system. One player is the "caller," they collect every move, intent, and roll from every player in advance and then communicates directly with the DM. It simplifies turns down to a back and forth between the DM and the party as a whole, and individual players still get the spotlight when necessary. Everyone rolls out damage/effects as if they hit/succeed, so there's no time gap between rolling to hit and rolling for damage. It requires everyone to work out their plans in advance, and everyone is aware of what everyone else is doing. It also gives the DM a larger block of time to work out rolls and upcoming events behind the screen. Of course, any player is allowed to ask the DM for clarification, points of order, etc. It's not a strict system, but even casually attempting it has made games faster and more orderly in combat especially.
This absolutely wouldn't be enough to salvage this DM's game, but it might be useful to others with similar issues with better groups.
The caller had its uses. It's especially good for kids--it helps them listen to one another.
It would had saved my party from a cone spell I did. Literally everyone put themselves in front of me after I called it. Worst of it? I maxed out initiative
Players need to mature and GM needs to chill
I think it's totally reasonable to be frustrated with players but I get the feeling that the GM likely isn't that fun to be around. Wishing to play with a more serious tone is totally reasonable, I prefer it. But there's absolutely no need to be so hostile and rude, and if they're this aggressive in tone with this manifesto I imagine they likely aren't the most pleasant person to be interact with. If anything, especially with younger people, this sort of reactionary angry attitude likely only encourages antagonism as some people get a kick out of annoying people who seem so quickly prone to blowing up.
The GM wants their players to act more like an adult, but I'll say that as an adult I'd absolutely not put up with another adult speaking to me in the language and tone that this GM is speaking within this manifesto. I think there's a lot of growing up on both sides of this.
Yeah, this ego reminds me of the worst DMs, looking at you Eric. Would hate playing under this person
@@level1paladin Yeah I'm not saying that the players themselves don't need to grow up. But ultimately I feel like this DMs attitude just seems horrible and I think that it falls upon the DM to set expectations of the game during session zero. If you as a DM feel that the tone of game you want to play feels wildly off the tone that the players are looking to engage with and enjoy well then you just shouldn't be playing with them.
I wish people would place less importance on feelings than on facts. You have no basis for this. We dont know HOW he was before this list. This list was only made AFTER they've messed with him and disrespected him. You clearly have no clue as to the context. You don't even need to, the last several rules provides all the context you need, and you still didn't come to the logical conclusion, did you?
Ive seen a lot of People talking about this And to be hounost i dont care but your insight will be intrting
Thanks for watching!
This guy is so aggressive, I'd never play at his table. Hard pass.
It’s clearly in response to the situation at his table, not just some list of rules for everyone.
I'm sensing a little bit of frustration with immature players.
Rule #45, get a new group.
I tended to agree with your points on this. I've had all these issues come up over the decades. I've had potheads, dice cheats, and players who thought the DM/player dynamic was adversarial (DM= enemy in/out of game) The most recent problem is one guy who likes to poll the group to determine the best/most effective move in game. I implemented timers for a few sessions and missing a couple of rounds for "Your character is frozen with inaction" got him to know what he was doing before it got to his spot in the round. I still bring the timer out but haven't flipped it in years.
Thanks for sharing!
@DUNGEONCRAFT1 Name the RPGs that dont have magic shops. Because most do. Forgotten Realms also has magic shops. You saying magic shops don't exist in TTRPGs is the minority view.
If magic shops don't exist, why are there prices for them? Mindblow...I know.😅😂
@@007ohboy 5e doesn't have the prices or setup for magic shops earlier editions had. It's up to the DM to create a system for it which we all do. You have to make a list or download a list with prices for items. They have a price range by rarity table. I like the crafting/magic item selling of earlier editions like 3.5 or Pathfinder.
@Wanderinpaladin DMs who are afraid of magic items are limiting and boring. My Mystical Monk is currently level 10 and has an Amulent of Health, Headband of Intellect and Winged boots that were all purchased in a traveling merchants shop. She makes a ton of gold off of us meeting in different towns/cities. Even with all that, DM still finds ways to make the game challenging. Not hard to do.
Also, if you are a DM complaining there's no good use for gold but you also don't allow players to spend their gold getting the magical items they want, you kind of are the problem. You have devalued gold so much no one wants to even try to track down rich adventurers and unload their goods onto them. Very strange thinking IMO.
I'm in 5 campaigns right now and they all have magic shops. Because it only makes sense. Merchants would have a GREAT INCRNTIVE to collect magical items and then CHASE down adventurers to sell them to them. Hello! How dumb would the Fantasy merchant class be if they didn't go around purchasing magical items to upsell? Profit, baby.
In the RL, merchants went literally around the world just to get a hold of spices....
But in a fantasy world they wouldn't trade in magical wares to produce even more profit? That's more silly than ordering one "Excalibur".
Here's just one example of Forgotten Realms having a magic shop by Volo himself.
"Phalantar's Philtres & Components, east side of the Street of Bells is said to sell magic items by Ed Greenwood in Volvo's guide to Waterdeep"
@@007ohboy I'm glad we agree that earlier editions had magic shops and price lists. The specific shop you mentioned was last published in 2005. I'm also happy that your DM like every other DM, myself included, figured out a work around to allowing players to purchase magic items. In different campaigns I've had many merchants. One was a high level wizard, one was a beholder, the latest campaign has the Gnome Depot. However, I had to set up my own pricing system. I use "Sane Magic Item Prices" by Inconnunum.
I only have one rule ... everyone fights, nobody quits! Oh wait no, that's not it :D
The actual rule is to play so as to not make any one else's night worse because of your presence.
If you can't abide by that rule then, as the game is in my house, you get to leave and not come back. If you persist in your bad behaviour before leaving, you get to pick the window you leave by.
Of course, the best way to ensure none of this sort of thing ever happens is to form your gaming group from actual friends. We often used to say, even back in the swirling mists of the 80's, that you can't really play D&D with acquaintances; there is so much give and take and coordinated improvising that you have to play with friends.
If you don't, you end up with arguments and a general lack of a good time {points to the 'rules' that are the subject of this video :)}.
You can play D&D with strangers. You just need good table management. Be willing to shut down toxic players, and kick them out if need be. It's amazing how problem players will often sense your willing to kick them out and shape up or leave. Or just say no that's not allow, and just move on.
Laughed out loud.
Best rule ever
@@samflory I think his point is that, strangers will either become friends quickly or be shown the door.
well, then i'm fucked. Because i have no friends who are interested in D&D, and most of the strangers i've played with in the last year were a problem in one way or another
Use a Timer. Use Back-up characters. Some people can't act or are shy. I use Charisma in my game, roll the die. Acting skills are a bonus. That is my worst thing as a DM. I need to Make it clear what the mission is. Sure roll on the table. roll in the open.
Vendors will not stock magic items. That's video game stuff.
Is this all one guy's 44 rules?
High school games. Guy needs a better group.
submit your spell list. Yup
Yikes this game went south.
Far far south .
Most of those rules are fine by me.
Same.... this DM just sounds fed up.
I agree, the one I disagree with and it's a big disagree is the charisma one. A player is 100% allowed to player a character stronger, more dexterous, more fit, smarter, wiser, and more charismatic than they are. Roleplaying comes in many flavors and a player using just the dice roll and stating what their intent is - is enough and other need to accept it, just as everyone at the table accepts and tolerates your bad accent and monologed of what happens when I asked for a persuasion check.
@@jamesyoung7400I agree with Charisma one and also apply the same for Intelligence and Wisdom. I actually don't allow skill checks for those, but scores provide some benefit/penalty for my evaluation of what the character says. But acting isn't required, you can describe it.
I understand what this guy is saying, because I’ve been there, but I think he’s also misguided in some regards. For one i’ve been DMing for three years now. During the first and second year it was hell for me. I would plan out an elaborate world and session for my players to come in high and goof around. I don’t mind goofing around, but there’s a time and place for it; in my opinion a D&D session is not one of those places. I have since moved on from that group and no DM a group that respects the work I put in. All I can say for this guy is: don’t let the bad experience of these players ruin your passion for D&D, and seriously consider finding a new group, rather it be in person or online.
Excellent video as always, Professor DM! Not only I learned a lot but got a lot more inspired by this video. Honestly, I share some opinions and aspects here and there. Funny list and probably going to apply one or two points from it in my own table. Wish me luck!
Good luck!
Sounds like the DM was making an Intimidation check instead of a Persuasion check. I agree that a DM should lay down their expectations before the game begins AND should enforce those expectations during play for the betterment of all players. However, a spoonful of sugar goes a long way to accomplishing that. WAY TOO MANY F bombs
The context I've gleaned elsewhere is that the DM actually called for a hiatus due to being fed up with most of their group and the group cajoled and nagged the DM to come back and these very specific rules were tailored to the prpblems of that group. The player who was the original poster got exposed for their bad behavior and trying to make their DM look bad for internet points and deleted the original post.
I’m really glad to see people empathizing with this DM rather than bullying him. He lacks tact, sure. But this is a result of players treating their DM like crap and taking them for granted. Could he have handled it better? Yep. Does he deserve ridicule for setting expectations for basic courtesy in some respects and basic human dignity in others? No.
When I DMed in middle school to other middle schoolers, i ran into similar issues (never to that degree). You either have to draw clear and concise boundaries or find new people to play with
Honestly the whole thing is sad. Assuming these were adults, doubly so. If things aren't working out with you and your players, find a new group
This comes across as a DM who really doesn't want to run for this group anymore.
Oh yeah. He's frustrated, and I've been there. I have a feeling there are 3 players worth saving in the group and the rest should do something else.
Emergencies? I’ve got two players, a married couple, who have 5 kids, four of which are under 10. The oldest at 13 plays as well. Sickness runs through them like crazy. Cancelling last minute is common for one reason or another and kinda expected at this point. I won’t ever be upset someone is taking care of their kids or themselves instead of playing a game.
I really like your take on this. A lot of TH-camrs just chastised the GM without even considering how it got here. The players truly did something to tick this guy off. Two sides to every story. I would really like to hear what happened to drive the GM to write this list.
I feel like there's more to this story - these read as if something terrible happened, the DM quit for a while and is now coming back and instead of having an adult conversation they are ranting, it's almost a revenge tale... feel bad for all involved.
Someone found the guy who posted these, who was a player, talking about how they were intentionally harassing the GM. Completely understandable how the DM went so far in these 'rules' given the context
@@Wintercide Which is why all the people criticizing these rules sound like females of canine persuasion.
These rules didn't happen in a vacuum, and were instead provoked.
So they make sense, and the spirit of a lot of the rules is pretty good too.
Also combat zones suck because they're vague and boring. "you're kind of close bruh, but not dragon seducing close."
Why am I joking about dragon seducing?
Because it's a better waste of time than "zOnEs, bruh".
@@Wintercide, and this, in my opinion, is the GMs fault. If your players are messing with you, stop being a GM. I had this happen on several occasions. In my own personal game, I would just not invite the person back. If they asked why, I’d just inform them that their gaming style didn’t work with the group. Or if they were cheating, I’d just call them out on it, at the table in front of everyone. Usually that player never returns.
I also DM at my local games shop for Adventure League. This DM would not be allowed to DM. They might even go so far as to band him from the store entirely. At Adventure League you get everyone from never even played to power gamers. I had one person that wanted me to kick people out of the game because they didn’t like the person. I can’t do that. I had another player that was autistic and a power gamer, brought rules not allowed in Adventure League to the table. Because of these types of people I stopped being a DM for Adventure League for for several months.
@hariman7727 that old "seduce the dragón"... Before my last session with Icespire Dragon, when I revealed the gender of it (I changed it into a female so one plot twist appeared) a player that joined after the first three missions were completed, human warlock Anders with a cat familiar called Sir Pouncelot (I swear I am not making it up, she called herself like that) literally tried to seduce the dragón. I made her roll the ball and called "you need more than 80 to succeed". She rolled 74 + 4.
So what did Cryovain herself said? "Sorry little guy, you are very dashing but I don't date mammals" after that last game she confronted me and said "why do you made me roll that 100 sided dice? Is it even on rules?" I told her "look, I am not railroading you, you are free to try anything no matter how clever or how dumb it is. But if it is something that counts as touching the balls, you are rolling the ball. It was originally a 90 or more to succeed, but that gnome king gave you the ability to speak Draconic. Dragons in my world don't speak nor intercourse with humans, no matter what 5e rules say. And all DMs do the exact same thing. Rulebooks are more like guidelines and less than tenements".
I also bended the rules on defeating for EXP. I take more a route of "real experience" instead of "extermination points". Let me explain: orc leader is raiding your local settlement, you kill him, your party earns experience and he is death, you make him run away, your party earns experience but he will come back eventually and stronger, you sissify him and dress him in fishnet lingerie, you still earn experience but now you will have to keep his butt busy for the rest of the game.
@@solouno2280 ...
I think you're giving the DM way too much credit and the players not enough credit. Generally speaking, if someone says "if you disagree with me, I'll punish you and laugh in your face and kick your dog" they're not a good person. A good person pushed to set boundaries will say "I will not argue with you on this. Please respect my decisions." not "I will personally fart in your face if you question me!"
An important golden rule: Being game master just means you are the referee, it does not give you a free ticket to be a bad friend.
"if you disagree with me, I'll punish you and laugh in your face and kick your dog" is literally what the DM sounded like all throughout the list to me, and i think people are being overly generous about it lmao
Everyone is excusing it bc he sounds fed up or whatever but that's just not a normal way to talk to people 😭
You can understand how someone could be pissed off while also acknowledging this is an unhinged way to handle frustration bc of immature players or whatever people are saying to make this seem fine - like idk why everyone's acting like "but the players sound shitty" is all there is to it
Listening to these 44 rules makes me tired, and a little sad. Man was I ever this bad? Hopefully everyone involved in this gaming group moved on to a better situation.
Yup.
Feel sorry for this DM. His players must be absolute monsters
Good video, and anxiously awaiting your take on the Tomb of Horrors
Oh, the cameos! They will rock you.
One of my house rules is, "everyone takes a turn behind the screen (Dungeon Mastering)" and the difference between players who have and haven't game mastered is clear.
3:08 yes people have to roleplay in the tabletop roleplaying game, it makes zero sense when someone says "I'll persuade the guard" and then the dm asks "ok what you say to the guard?" and the player goes "HUUH BUT I ROLLED A 19" and the dm has to say "ok you persuaded the guard i guess"
Well, most players either say the wrong stuff (one that goes OOC or socially awkward). So yeah, the *but I rolled a 19 it's a success, the DM can fill the blanks for his story to make sense. The character maybe a dashing knight, but if the player is a misogynistic reggaetonero, it would not work to force him to RP.
@@solouno2280 ok so the dungeon master should roleplay for the players... thats.
@@areallybigdwarf4560 not for all, just those that lack of skills which their characters have. I mean, if the couch potato plays an elven rogue, you don't force him to run a mile
@@solouno2280 you sound insane bro
@@areallybigdwarf4560 more like fair, forcing an introvert to roleplay every single word that his escapist character says is a recipe for disaster
The DM is clearly frustrated and immature. I don't think he'll be running any game sessions for long if he implemented all these rules verbatim.
I've been playing D&D since my gap year in 1981 (various versions and clones). My youngest player now is 33, my oldest 67. For us the main thing is to get together, socialize and have some laughs playing some version of D&D. If the conversation gets off track or disruptive I, as the GM, just bring them back in game. No threats needed.
Ability checks vs role playing; I encourage players to solve puzzles rather than roll Int., persuade me rather than roll persuasion, describe their act of agility rather than roll acrobatics (within reason). Rule of Cool where applicable. However, since none of my players are actually geniuses, acrobats or super charismatic (despite what they think) if they can't solve the puzzle or whatever after a while I let them roll for it.
Good advice.
I honestly agree with 75% of what he said, from reading the rules I infer his group is composed of Australian redditors, most of whom are teenagers and MAYBE a cheater or two, because some of these "rules" are just normal things that well adjusted people do WITHOUT being prompted, like not breaking things and not being a junkie.
And the original poster decided to share these for people to agree with him online, like a true redditor. The GM just needs a better group.
I believe you nailed it, although as a long time DM (almost 30 years) I will say over the past 10 years the caliber of new players has been on a down hill trend. I wouldn't have been shocked to hear they weren't highschoolers.
I’m pretty firmly against the “Dumbing down of D&D” people can take offense to that if you want…but it’s elementary mathematics people…
If the game has grid based movement why shit on it? Is movement not important for players or Refs who like tactical play? Was D&D not created off the back of war-gaming? Ease of play is important for sure but taking any fun or tactical element away from D&Ds already boring combat (As presented in 5E) is a mistake.
I love tactical combat. I love grids in Kingdom Death. But grids in D&D are optional--and I don't think tactical combat is what the games does best. Cheers.
For the record 4Chan is the Thunder dome of the internet. By comparison it makes Reddit look like a Chuck E Cheeze
OBJECTION! Atheists channels exist, and they're full of the most obnoxious moronic assholes
True fact
No, twotter is worse than even the worst boards of 4chan at this point. Also most of 4chan's boards aren't bad, really, it's just a handful of big dumpster fire boards
@@burnttoast26 I've never gotten banned on 4Chan, I've gotten suspensions on new Twitter. They are not the same lmao
@@2013Arcturus Didn't he say twitter first in that statement though? I also never said they were the same? What do bans have to do with the statement?
The GM is a player too.
Respect everybody else's time.
Get on the same page about the type of fun you wanna have together.
Is the ttrpg the foreground focus activity, or the background activity to hanging out??
TTRPGs take much more work /engagement than dominoes / Go-fish / Uno.
True
For once, I really agree hardly with you. So many read this and don’t get a full idea. This is a DM that has to take to heart a different truth “No D&D/RPG is better than bad” I am certain they want him back but considering how many times he says he will leave or has rules that will make others leave, they should not play RPGs together. They can play other games but just not this one… or Diplomacy!
Definitely not Diplomacy! LOL
When you have cheating players, kick them out, even if they are your friends.
When I was running Cyberpunk 2020, one of my friends was cheating on cash and XP... When I was sure he was far beyond rest of the team after two sessions, just told him I know he is cheating and I know it isn't his first time. I told hem if he want to play, he can make new character and give me his new card to be secure, if not doors are there.
Harsh. But sometimes people need honesty.
Great DungeonCraft video as usual. Obviously , younger players. I laughed so hard at the bong part. Some of us middle aged kids just smoke our doobies at the table. The glory of adulthood and hosting the game.
Amen
I'm always amazed that there are players who take issue with the game master establishing house rules that ban certain spells and similar, and can't grasp that 5e (and other versions for that matter) is a severely broken game. There are entire TH-cam channels dedicated to demonstrating this.
Hell even something as simple as goodberry and leonund's tiny hut effectively undermine wilderness survival as a challenge and make all of the skills associated with that irrelevant.
You just can't get that kind of content turn from a corporation without the content inevitably stumbling over itself time and again.
Those spell picks are spot on.
Who would play with someone like this?
When I was 16, I was this guy.
Me
The guy who posted that is mostly just struggling with delivery. Most of his points are fair but it's not persuasive because he's so blunt and rude. Focusing on how the DM is also a player and wants/needs to have fun too I think would have served him much better
Yup.
Yeah when I was reading this I came to a similar conclusion. Sure the dm worded a lot of things in a way that makes him easy to hate, BUT the underlying demands here aren’t actually so bad, and in fact are common sense at most serious tables. This doesn’t come off to me as some unreasonable person randomly spurging out, but instead as someone who’s fed up with arguing with their unruly, immature players and is going out with a final Hail Mary in an attempt to rein his players in. Every entry on this list seems like it has a storied history in his group. Sounds to me like his players need a low key unserious dm to hit the bong with and take the game as a running joke. The dm needs some players that are more serious and mature who respects his game. YES he should have been more mature in his response but yknow what, I’d be a little upset if my players were mocking my game, smoking pot, cheating, breaking my stuff, not paying me back, and showing up late too. Sounds like he’s endured a lot of disrespect before getting to this level of anger.
This DM may have some legitimate gripes, but this presentation is simply immature and spiteful. This is a rant borne out of frustration and poor communication, and that's on YOU, DM. I see a lot of comments siding with the DM, but most of these 'rules' are consequences of the DM's own doing. If I was in this group, I'd leave it.