How to Kill Darth Sion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- After HK-47 explained at length about how to kill Jedi, the Exile asks if he has any way to kill a Sith. Specifically a Sith that refuses to die.
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I love how HK-47 understands the force better than practically all meat bags in the SW universe.
I think it sometimes takes an outside perspective to understand the flaws in system of belief or in this case a metaphysical power which connects all living things, perhaps to understand it to a degree you need to be disconnected from it as droids are.
And to also have a unique perspective of having worked with a darklord of the sith and likely fought and encountered many sith and jedi during the Mandalorian and Jedi Civil Wars, Jedi and Sith no matter how powerful or wise all fall into similar categories.
To some extent those who can use the force can find themselves blinded from their experiences using it and their lack of understanding of the perspectives of those for whom the force is not active. An outside perspective can offer a unique viewpoint that can identify things unseen to those who are too close to the issue.
Revan built him so he knows
Somewhere Revan is wiping tears from their eyes...."That's my murderous boy!"
Indeed
Doubt has killed many Jedi and Sith. Very true.
Yes it is doubt has also killed many people in the real world. Such a philosophical gem this master piece of media.
@@anthonymacrobert4075 Indeed, sir.
Darth Maul: "Doubting will only lead to failure!!!" As he force chokes a female mando
The moment when an assassin droid gave you a better advice than wise old Kreia gave you. No offense, she’s still the best.
No worries. HK is a breath of fresh air here because he's getting straight to the point, where Kreia would have just been manipulative and mysterious.
@@LeftytheGansterGremlin that's so true kreia and her jedi speak. Being that hk is a droid it makes sense that he's straight to the point. Analytical no mystery he gives an effective strategy to deal with a unique enemy. In fact what he said about making him doubt actually can be applied to people in the real world. Doubt truly is a killer and if you can make someone doubt there actions and beliefs you can gain an advantage in most things. The writing is simply amazing and so well thought out. I played this day one and in the modern day very few games can give me the feeling that this game did. A game that can literally alter your perception on life Is such a rare gem. These poor kids stuck on fortnite will probably never experience that feeling.
He was built by Revan after all B)
I know it’s an old game and conversation, but with the TSLRCM enabled I remember when there’s a point in the Harbinger where you use a high Wisdom check to have the Exile say: (paraphrased)
“[WISDOM] I think Kreia knows, she lead me here to try and force Nihilus to starve himself and weaken so he can be killed”
The same thing is with Sion, she tells Sion to wait for the Exile so that when they fight Sion has to lose to another wound in the force, but one who isn’t dead. One who has studied and learned her lessons about hating the force and giving up the pain and hate and suffering that sustains him.
Plus it’s poetic that she wants you to mirror her teachings and knowledge and present them to Sion as a fellow apprentice that will have more impact than his Master he hates.
When you realize the reason you win at Malachor V is largely thanks to this amazing droid
If ever you had doubts that HK-47 was really, *really* damn good at his job, just remember: He called this.
Anakin built 3P0. Revan built HIM.
@@JnEricsonx Swoosh
@@orpheusepiphanes2797 My point was that Darth Vader's droid technical skills were NOTHING compared to Revan.
@@JnEricsonx no kidding. Anakin didn't even build 3P0 from scratch, he found the head, chassis, and pretty much everything he needed in Watto's Junkyard. He just put it together, like assembling a model from a kit. Revan built HK 47 completely on his own, AND programmed him to boot. That's some top quality work.
This is why if a droid Revolution were to be lead by HK-47, it would make order 66 and the death star insignificant to how many droids there are in the entire galaxy killing meatbags with modifications similar to the Peragus Mining Droid Incident the HK-50's caused. All they'd need is access to every droid when they get serviced, spread out to grow numbers, then flip switch to kill meatbags anywhere once they know they've gotten every droid.
The line that broke Sion is "Was it really worth it?" The instant he admitted it, his connection to his immortality was broken and he finally died (unless you're female exile, then he died of simping)
And female exile is canon lol
@@alex21390
So it was Beauty that killed the Beast
'died of simping' HKDJSKSKSKSK
@@alex21390 is Canon to a... Non Canon mmo and a bad novel
Just keep whatever you like
@@rauls.g.2518 I mean different universes can have their own different Canons. And since SWTOR comes after and says the exile is female. Also what novel?
He likes Sun Tzu, but doesn't like meatbags.
It's pronounced SN-Z2 ;)
@@skylerstevens8887 oh that's clever
The perfect "tactical droid" even before the concept of a "tactical droid" was ever created.
One of the reasons why HK one of my favourites. Despite being a droid and having no experience using or learning the force he is still able to pick apart their techniques as well as apply their own techniques. When he says that doubt should be used he is indirectly talking about the sith technique of dun moch which is used to erode an opponents will and faith in themselves to throw them off in conflict.
Yup but it's good to remember that HK was created by Revan, so it makes sense that his creator would place a lot of his knowledge of destroying Force users as part of his assassination protocols. But yeah, he is great, 'I informed him of his meat bag status' is one of the best lines I've heard in the game xDD
he is like the opposite of those ''superman type'' of force users. yoda so powerful, anakin oh so powerful, oh luke skywalker can teleport 57 planets or whatever... who gives a shit, ''my imaginary friend is more powerful than your imaginary friend'' is not what makes a character interesting. HK is like the batman of star wars... he has no ''superpowers'' but he is more interesting than some braindead made-up character with god-like force powers... like superman
He quite literally has killer intuition.
he straight up tells you how to beat the second to last boss of the game with dialogue
4 years later, you can get through one of the two final boss fights exactly this way in Mass Effect.
This is such an awesome conversation. I hate that it was hidden so deep in the convo tree that most people missed it. It seriously made Sion's character 1000X cooler. Honestly, I barely understood what the hell was going on the final battle with him. Like... "Oh he's immortal. Just keep killing him. He'll die eventually." ...wtf? At least this explained what was actually happening to his resolve. Such great writing wasted. :P
Yeah it is a downfall of some of these games with amazing stories. They need to convey character development to the player in other ways besides dialogue. But that takes a lot of time. KOTOR 2 really is a case study of this flaw because almost all story is revealed through dialogue, and the game was rushed.
How do you access this conversation
@@Mayo2411 have high affection with hk47
That inevitably requires you to be dark side
@@Mayo2411 You can ask HK-47 about Sion after fighting him on Korriban.
And no, it doesn't require a high affinity with him. Even so, that doesn't mean you end up being a dark sider. It mostly comes down to bringing certain companions to certain encounters. One such encounter involves Kumus. Simply bringing HK and detonating the thermite charges immediately grants a large quantity of influence with HK, and merely dents your good boy points.
How to kill an immortal sith master:
Step 1: Bullying
Step 2: You killed him!!
So essentially, HK's advice is: Call him mean names.
More like, "I heard the force said you were too ugly to keep alive."
HK's advice is actually how you kill Sion in the end.
Darth Sion is Pennywise?
If I remember right, I took the opposite approach. I told him I liked him. I think he called my character beautiful. He then passed peacefully.
Who says violence is the only answer?
HK-47 kinda breaks the fourth wall when he talks about quickly you recover from combat
I thought I was the only one that noticed that😉
not really its just that this game incomporatea its gameplay into its ideology
Damn I never noticed this before in the game
Both games are such philosophical goldmines. Best RPGs ever!
Bendak Starkiller wish we got obsidian koror 3
@@75JUNAKI Me too friend me too, that's the game i want the most
I liked jade empire too
HK is surprising me to this day
Just sitting and focusing and listening to characters in these games talk is so centering
Especially with Visas and Hk
Omg I've never seen this before and I've had this game for years.
YOU SEEK TO ERODE MY WILL YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED
[You have eroded Sion’s will]
Goddam Kotor 2 is freaking amazing
This is interesting never knew this dialogue was in game, out of the three triumvirate sith, i always liked sion the least by far, but this adds an interesting layer to his story
...and that's why he's Revan's Legendary Assassin Droid.
The Force seems similar to the Warp in Warhammer, fueled by belief, faith, and emotions. Maybe one day all the wars and turbulent emotions caused by the Sith will open a tear in the Force and cause Force Daemons to spill out.
KingOfMadCows One can only hope. Imagine the stories that would result.
I believe the Force is fueled by life. As in mass death either evaporates the Force in an area or taints it there with darkness.
Ultimately I think the Force is shaped by our beliefs and emotions as you stated. We through living our lives we color the Force into such extremes as light and dark. The Force itself is neutral. I believe the wrap is also neutral eh just has evil inside it because evil exists outside of it.
Same way. The Force is a mirror of the living it encompasses. Making the Force neither evil or good.
That kind of happend.... gods whats its name abyssal or something was as close as a force deamon/devil as the Son was.
Greenskins and Orks are force-sensitive!
thank god i went for the speech 100, darkside, force powers (lightning), unarmed build....as my first playthrough....
Is Darth Sion essentially a Sith zombie?
No, not at all.
If Nihilus is a vampire, than Sion would be ye olde style of non-ghost revenant.
More like a Sith in a Life-Force support system.
HK is the embodiment of "do them dirty, in front of they squad"
I love how this is basically like the joke of having a robot put itself into a paradox by saying something like, “this sentence is a lie.”
One of the things I love and hate about KOTOR 2. I have played through it so many time maybe a dozen or more and I have never heard that conversation.
In the Words of Woolie: Force Nope!
In 2 minutes HK brings up the ridiculous things video game characters can survive and how villains monologue. What a meta chad.
HK-47 seems to know more about the meatbags, than most meatbags do. Perhaps that is why he is considered to be the most dangerous droid ever created in the EU.
Press X to doubt.
God what a voice!
That is an interesting truth
Wait, should...hmm, no he's a pretty good guy, but...although...hmm, perhaps....no...no...yes!?
I never had this conversation with HK-47, but managed to kill Sion with kindness.
Hk Should have his own code "...and with truth there is no doubt"
"DO YOU KNOW OR NOT! MY GOD. Lol I love this game but sometimes it just rambles on and on. They really do love the sound of their own voice
When did you unlock this dialogue chain? After you fight Sion on Korriban?
Well by the time you do that you won't be able to return to the Ebon Hawk, so no. If anything, it was after the "how to kill Jedi" conversation.
@@PapitoQinn
Eh, you are wrong. You can return to the Ebon Hawk after Korriban. You cannot do so after the Jedi Enclave meeting.
@@juanlaise1059 Right. So I guess crusader had it.
Wisest character in Star Wars. Maybe the meatbags should be wiped from the galaxy after all.
I once suggested talking him to death, just like some enemies from Planescape: Torment.
I ended up right. Say, Master Qinn, any plans to check Planescape one day?
Yes I do have plans. I already own the enhanced edition.
@@PapitoQinn Nice!
doubt the deadliest weapon in the universe.
Do you need to bring him with you on Korriban? Or is this hidden dialogue?
It's just dialogue that people seem to overlook a lot somehow.
you only unlock this dialogue option after Korriban (doesn't matter if you actually bring HK with you), which is why a lot of people miss it, especially if you're doing Korriban last like most people
wouldn't it be great if you actually won't be able to kill Sion, and he would keep regaining health if you havn't figure this piece of dialoge? Thus make the game impossible to complete. So much missed opportunities..
I don't think that's the kind of thing you want to do to your players. Many may have to completely start over. Just because they missed one piece of dialogue. A dialogue that people have told me they've never seen before.
@@PapitoQinn maybe not so radical as i said. You are right ofcourse. I meant something rewarding for the player for finding such rare piece of dialoge. The way game worked on release and now was that it was always your decision how deep you understand whats going on. You get the same content anyway. I tried to imagine otherwise) (sorry for bad English)
@@user-ti2ex2yd2z No I think I get it. Maybe a dialogue option that shows up in the Sion fight in case of not having enough for a skill check.
ok we all gotta admit hk 47 would probably mop up the entire jedi order in yodas time XD and do it with wonderful shit talking too! screw general asthmatic grevious XD put this bot on screen the comedy alone will make millions.
Basically, it was HK's way to say use "Dun Moch" and taunt him til his death...