7:10 this guy is a breath of fresh air. People tend to think if jimmy leaves, this franchise will cease to exist, go bankrupt, vanish from the face of the earth. He is not the best all and end all of this organization. We’ve won ACTUAL championships before Jimmy and we will win ACTUAL championships after he’s gone. Obviously not immediately but come on, we cant hold onto this older, declining player forever
Don’t be dense, Jimmy had us on the cusp multiple times when nobody thought he was even that good when we originally got him. They could’ve and should’ve won a chip with him.
Agreed. We pay good players star level salary when we should be saving those contracts for actual stars. Overpaying messes up opportunity and the Heat have done it for years. They’re just now seeing why it could be a problem with jimmys age and durability questions when they should’ve looked at the books years ago and made changes
Y’all really tripping!!! 20-30m is not even close to star salary these days… Age matters folks!!! Jimmy is looking for double that, 60m for several years and we don’t even know what we gonna get considering Father Time is undefeated and Jimmy ain’t mutha flippin LeBron only player ever to be as good as he is for so long… Come on man!!! Smh!!!
@39:57 D.Wade should have a position in Heat management cause clearly he knows something they don’t and has a direct influence over your modern day NBA player ijs 🤷🏾♂️
Tobin mentioned this in a recent pod and it would be great if it would happen. Although Pat is the face of the Heat this organization is ran by a collection of minds contrary to popular belief that think Pat makes all the calls on everything by himself. So with that said there’s no one better that I can imagine to replace the role of being the face of the Heat once Pat steps down and YES, I said steps down because ain’t no way the Arison’s will ever kick Pat out the door. Fans is short for fanatics for a reason 😂🤣😂
Pat needs to learn how to take a step back a bit he’s still the leader of the organization but he needs delegate and some of his ideals are past it’s time. Stop the hardass stern sh*t that doesn’t work w/ today’s modern star yes they respect you but don’t make them feel disrespected they don’t care regardless of the consequences.
You guys finally picked up what ive been putting in comments FOREVER on here. Jimmy wanted to be "the guy," but you guys finally see what he never did. He's NEVER been good enough to be the best player on a championship team. A number 1 option has to be a scorer. That player CANNot be a guy that can get hot every so often. Jimmy had 1 dominant full series in his entire career. If Dame, Donavan (who didn't want to come here cause Jimmy's a tool) or any of the other guys that have been rumored came, that player was gonna be the number 1 guy. That's what a massive amount of this fanbase didn't get. It wasn't help he needed. It was always gonna be a guy that could be the number 1 on this team. Jimmy would be second or third fiddle to that player. The trades you proposed.... Maybe the Zion trade.
Nothing against Edey, but when Bam is one of your bigs, you need someone who’s a threat from the perimeter to open the floor up. Having 2 non shooting bigs doesn’t really work in todays NBA
@@luisb8394 my view of the Bam issue is, he doesn't have the consistent technical aspect of shooting. he plays a finesse game without the finesse tools. so what's the point of having Bam on the inside when he has no real post game? Bam is more of a 4 in mentality and his defensive game. Edey brings the inside presence, plays the inside, is young, cheap, and has an inside game.
@@indade it’s exactly why I’m saying it’s a bad fit. Neither Bam nor Edey can stretch the floor, so you’re essentially clogging the paint. I’m all for moving Bam to the 4, but your 5 has to be at least a threat from the perimeter to force defenders to close out and open up the floor. It’s why they liked Ware in the draft. He’s 7’ with a 7’4 wingspan and has shown potential as a shooter. Same thing with Jovic. They have at least shown promise that they can become solid shooters.
I'd welcome a trade with Memphis. Smart, Clarke and another to make the dollars work. And get GG Jackson at all costs. Deal breaker. He's the next top forward to emerge. . Had my eye on him and Jalen Johnson (Hawks) for a year at least.
I liked the Zion idea and if one team can get the best of Zion is the Heat, but what of instead of Zion we got Ingram, Murray and Herb Jones for Jimmy, Terry, Richardson and Alec Burks?
Don’t know about Kuz but I definitely like the idea of Jimmy being sentenced to do hard time in Washington for quitting on us like he has acting as if we never gave him a max contract. He can see what a losing organization really looks like since it seems that he’s forgotten. This would be his 3rd max from us at 35 the organization is not wrong for taking its time to consider it especially when he proves them right by his actions.
I’m shockingly most interested in the Lakers trade to get a lot of functioning young-ish players who can play right away on good contracts who you could trade in the future
Just let Jimmy sit the rest of the year. Don't get a contract we'll regret in the future. Riley and the front office haven't racked up many wins the past few years (with regards to their decision making and lack of moves).
That Milwaukee deal was a two pack of ass 😭😭😭 no offense but i feel like neither of you have watched much Bucks basketball this year. If you had, you'd never suggest a deal that bad
Evan at the 10 minute mark is false. When he was in Minnesota and Philly he wanted Kat and Embiid to be the best players but he seen it wasn’t equating to wins so he took matters into his own hands.
BUM ADEBAYO is a scrub. That’s the problem. He shouldn’t be getting the kind of money he was paid. And to get an extension?? But Jimmy didn’t. The guy that actually carried us to the finals twice. TWICE. Let me see Herro and Bam do it
Relax Herro and bam also was playing well in to make it to thoses 2 finals appearances and I agree bam isn't that good. Doesn't rebound, defence gotten worse (idc if he the best 1 on 1 defender that means shit for a center) I want him floating around around the paint and not defending anyone 1 on 1.bam has the ability to be like Ben Simmons or be like the Greak Freak and so far he's playing like Ben Simmons
@dennislopez1272 ahhaha I have because watching the heat fuckin suck plus league pass abit expensive I'm in Australia so we have to pay for league pass when the audio is shit and the app is just terrible, I watch F1, WRC, UFC, AFL,NRL, woman's sport hahah I'll watch anything before I watch ball it's got fun to watch fuckin bums and he's the 16th best rebounder ahhahah whatever he's not even the best on the team tyler hero rebounds better then he does. I bet yah if tyler crashed the glass more instead of running the floor he would get more rebounds then bam. Bam is crashing the floor and getting fuck all and the fact that he switches off centers onto guards leaves him on the 3 point line and unable to even get the rebound and the man with the trex arms get the rebound or like in the last game we loose to a shit asf team cause we gave up 20 offensive rebounds ahhaha like how is he a good rebounder when we gave the other squad all of the rebounds and did bam play good that game no he sucked I fuckin love bam I'll get on my knees for him but I can still be honest and say he's over rated and fuckin sucks for the contract he has
@dennislopez1272 sad my reply is gone was me spitting facts but I'll just say this cause cbf typing everything bam gets switched onto guards leading centers getting guarded by a favourable match up and then bam is left on the 3 point line where he can't get the rebound and the best rebounder on the team trex arms himself hero cleans up the boards. Ps in my original post I mentioned I don't watch the garbage heat the last 2 years (except playoff) not worth the watch and league pass is soo bad audio quiet and bad, ads unless you pay extra wtf already expensive asf, they stop showing the half time show now it just has a blue screen that says brb of course I'm not going to watch the games
@Born2sin Yup. I gotta watch the games on some sketchy sites cause I aint dropping 50 bucks to watch the regular season. We played a lot of zone tonight so we got mauled on the offensive boards. Bam held his own but the rest of the guys, not so much. That being said, I despise the lineups Spoelstra puts out on the court. We're going on 7 years of me bitching about the combinations he has on the court. It gives me a headache. He had the same lineup with 6 minutes left in the game, through both overtimes. That 16 minutes with the same dudes. Those dudes were incompetent on offense and gassed. We shot 26% in both OTs. Spo is a dope. Unbelievable, he can't sub guys in.
Jimmy already burned the bridge in Chicago, they won’t take him back.. Dallas trade idea makes no sense for either team…. I like any trade that includes getting rid of Rozier..
Hell No to JB at GS. He is too old, a malcontent, doesn’t show up in regular season, too expensive and wants a max extension. Much prefer Wiggins. Curry can’t carry the load anymore and JB doesn’t make them a contender. GS is way too far away from contention and delaying the inevitable by pretending there is still hope is short sighted and naive. Jimmy isn’t that guy anymore and neither is Curry consistently . Would like to see Zion in Miami. That would be fun but that is a pipe dream. Pels most certainly don’t want JB or scary Terry.
7:10 this guy is a breath of fresh air. People tend to think if jimmy leaves, this franchise will cease to exist, go bankrupt, vanish from the face of the earth. He is not the best all and end all of this organization. We’ve won ACTUAL championships before Jimmy and we will win ACTUAL championships after he’s gone. Obviously not immediately but come on, we cant hold onto this older, declining player forever
Keep tanking bruh 😂😂😂
Correct! Jimmy Troller is not who he is! He is greedy toxic & lazy
@@koalabearssgladly, give me Flagg or Bailey
Don’t be dense, Jimmy had us on the cusp multiple times when nobody thought he was even that good when we originally got him. They could’ve and should’ve won a chip with him.
This is the best Five on the Floor episode I've ever watched.
Why? It’s just trade ideas lol
Need a part 2 of this!
Yeah. Bring Evan on more. Great stuff.
This guy knows his stuff … great content. That Zion/Mcullom deal sounds good 😊
Really enjoyed this episode! Please have him on again.
he's awesome!!! love his energy!!! Great show Ethan
Awesome episode! More Evan, please.
One of the best episodes 5Reason’s has ever done
Excellent show. Thanks
Thank you Evan! Someone who appreciates the guy that brought us so much these past few years! No need to bad mouth Jimmy! 🗣️
This dude seems fun never heard of him but really enjoyed his perspective
This was a fun episode
Good guest good show 👍
This dude is spitting FACTS about Jimmy. He needs to be a regular Ethan!
It's hard to get a Star because we're overpaying Bam, Tyler and Terry like there stars along with giving guys like Duncan a bad contract
Agreed. We pay good players star level salary when we should be saving those contracts for actual stars. Overpaying messes up opportunity and the Heat have done it for years. They’re just now seeing why it could be a problem with jimmys age and durability questions when they should’ve looked at the books years ago and made changes
Don't worry, well have 50 million extra now😂😂😂
@ratmoneyg I agree man💯
Y’all really tripping!!! 20-30m is not even close to star salary these days… Age matters folks!!! Jimmy is looking for double that, 60m for several years and we don’t even know what we gonna get considering Father Time is undefeated and Jimmy ain’t mutha flippin LeBron only player ever to be as good as he is for so long… Come on man!!! Smh!!!
@39:57 D.Wade should have a position in Heat management cause clearly he knows something they don’t and has a direct influence over your modern day NBA player ijs 🤷🏾♂️
Tobin mentioned this in a recent pod and it would be great if it would happen. Although Pat is the face of the Heat this organization is ran by a collection of minds contrary to popular belief that think Pat makes all the calls on everything by himself. So with that said there’s no one better that I can imagine to replace the role of being the face of the Heat once Pat steps down and YES, I said steps down because ain’t no way the Arison’s will ever kick Pat out the door. Fans is short for fanatics for a reason 😂🤣😂
Dwade ain't ever working for the heat he's had a position in the jazz organisation that he received ownership from. Heat ain't shit to him now
Pat needs to learn
how to take a step back a bit he’s still the leader of the organization but he needs delegate and some of his ideals are past it’s time.
Stop the hardass stern sh*t that doesn’t work w/ today’s modern star yes they respect you but don’t make them feel disrespected they don’t care regardless of the consequences.
Good episode 💯💯
I like the Sacremento Trade scenario 😂
Thanks yooouuuuu I’m have been scream Bam at SF ‼️‼️‼️‼️
You guys finally picked up what ive been putting in comments FOREVER on here. Jimmy wanted to be "the guy," but you guys finally see what he never did. He's NEVER been good enough to be the best player on a championship team. A number 1 option has to be a scorer. That player CANNot be a guy that can get hot every so often. Jimmy had 1 dominant full series in his entire career. If Dame, Donavan (who didn't want to come here cause Jimmy's a tool) or any of the other guys that have been rumored came, that player was gonna be the number 1 guy. That's what a massive amount of this fanbase didn't get. It wasn't help he needed. It was always gonna be a guy that could be the number 1 on this team. Jimmy would be second or third fiddle to that player.
The trades you proposed.... Maybe the Zion trade.
Can he have a split contract more Evan great stuff
I personally want Edey in a Memphis trade. Wanted Edey in the draft. No more soft bigs, with soft approaches offensively.
Yea what world you live in bud😅
@@Tobe-rt5ru won't hurt to ask.
Nothing against Edey, but when Bam is one of your bigs, you need someone who’s a threat from the perimeter to open the floor up. Having 2 non shooting bigs doesn’t really work in todays NBA
@@luisb8394 my view of the Bam issue is, he doesn't have the consistent technical aspect of shooting. he plays a finesse game without the finesse tools. so what's the point of having Bam on the inside when he has no real post game? Bam is more of a 4 in mentality and his defensive game.
Edey brings the inside presence, plays the inside, is young, cheap, and has an inside game.
@@indade it’s exactly why I’m saying it’s a bad fit. Neither Bam nor Edey can stretch the floor, so you’re essentially clogging the paint. I’m all for moving Bam to the 4, but your 5 has to be at least a threat from the perimeter to force defenders to close out and open up the floor. It’s why they liked Ware in the draft. He’s 7’ with a 7’4 wingspan and has shown potential as a shooter. Same thing with Jovic. They have at least shown promise that they can become solid shooters.
I'd welcome a trade with Memphis.
Smart, Clarke and another to make the dollars work.
And get GG Jackson at all costs. Deal breaker.
He's the next top forward to emerge. . Had my eye on him and Jalen Johnson (Hawks) for a year at least.
GG Jackson and Jalen Johnson will both be stars in the future. Easy to see their potential
Kd is a snake but he never quit on his team. The way Jimmy handled this was terrible
I liked the Zion idea and if one team can get the best of Zion is the Heat, but what of instead of Zion we got Ingram, Murray and Herb Jones for Jimmy, Terry, Richardson and Alec Burks?
No to bad contracts. The heat need to be patient and just let Jimmy walk in the summer. There's no way he opts in this summer.
Actually like the bucks deal, only concern is the middleton health. Portis def fits with bam
Send Buttler to Washington, and Richardson for Kuzma
Don’t know about Kuz but I definitely like the idea of Jimmy being sentenced to do hard time in Washington for quitting on us like he has acting as if we never gave him a max contract. He can see what a losing organization really looks like since it seems that he’s forgotten. This would be his 3rd max from us at 35 the organization is not wrong for taking its time to consider it especially when he proves them right by his actions.
I’m shockingly most interested in the Lakers trade to get a lot of functioning young-ish players who can play right away on good contracts who you could trade in the future
D Wade had Shaq, Bosh and Bron. Shaq had D Wade, Bron had the Big 3. What other superstar did Jimmy have ?
Just let Jimmy sit the rest of the year. Don't get a contract we'll regret in the future. Riley and the front office haven't racked up many wins the past few years (with regards to their decision making and lack of moves).
Lakers Sounds Good
Durant for Troller! the best deal with the Suns straight up!
That Milwaukee deal was a two pack of ass 😭😭😭 no offense but i feel like neither of you have watched much Bucks basketball this year. If you had, you'd never suggest a deal that bad
Jimmy for ben simmons and a 2nd round pick. Get him off the team and get an expiring contract.
Evan at the 10 minute mark is false. When he was in Minnesota and Philly he wanted Kat and Embiid to be the best players but he seen it wasn’t equating to wins so he took matters into his own hands.
What’s the issue with John Issac? Care to elaborate ??
No to middleton. No favors for the team that stole Dame from us.
BUM ADEBAYO is a scrub. That’s the problem. He shouldn’t be getting the kind of money he was paid. And to get an extension?? But Jimmy didn’t. The guy that actually carried us to the finals twice. TWICE. Let me see Herro and Bam do it
Relax Herro and bam also was playing well in to make it to thoses 2 finals appearances and I agree bam isn't that good. Doesn't rebound, defence gotten worse (idc if he the best 1 on 1 defender that means shit for a center) I want him floating around around the paint and not defending anyone 1 on 1.bam has the ability to be like Ben Simmons or be like the Greak Freak and so far he's playing like Ben Simmons
@@Born2sin😂😂😂. "He can't rebound." He 16th best rebounder in the league . Half a rebound from 10th. Good lord y'all need to watch a new sport.
@dennislopez1272 ahhaha I have because watching the heat fuckin suck plus league pass abit expensive I'm in Australia so we have to pay for league pass when the audio is shit and the app is just terrible, I watch F1, WRC, UFC, AFL,NRL, woman's sport hahah I'll watch anything before I watch ball it's got fun to watch fuckin bums and he's the 16th best rebounder ahhahah whatever he's not even the best on the team tyler hero rebounds better then he does. I bet yah if tyler crashed the glass more instead of running the floor he would get more rebounds then bam. Bam is crashing the floor and getting fuck all and the fact that he switches off centers onto guards leaves him on the 3 point line and unable to even get the rebound and the man with the trex arms get the rebound or like in the last game we loose to a shit asf team cause we gave up 20 offensive rebounds ahhaha like how is he a good rebounder when we gave the other squad all of the rebounds and did bam play good that game no he sucked I fuckin love bam I'll get on my knees for him but I can still be honest and say he's over rated and fuckin sucks for the contract he has
@dennislopez1272 sad my reply is gone was me spitting facts but I'll just say this cause cbf typing everything bam gets switched onto guards leading centers getting guarded by a favourable match up and then bam is left on the 3 point line where he can't get the rebound and the best rebounder on the team trex arms himself hero cleans up the boards. Ps in my original post I mentioned I don't watch the garbage heat the last 2 years (except playoff) not worth the watch and league pass is soo bad audio quiet and bad, ads unless you pay extra wtf already expensive asf, they stop showing the half time show now it just has a blue screen that says brb of course I'm not going to watch the games
@Born2sin Yup. I gotta watch the games on some sketchy sites cause I aint dropping 50 bucks to watch the regular season. We played a lot of zone tonight so we got mauled on the offensive boards. Bam held his own but the rest of the guys, not so much. That being said, I despise the lineups Spoelstra puts out on the court. We're going on 7 years of me bitching about the combinations he has on the court. It gives me a headache. He had the same lineup with 6 minutes left in the game, through both overtimes. That 16 minutes with the same dudes. Those dudes were incompetent on offense and gassed. We shot 26% in both OTs. Spo is a dope. Unbelievable, he can't sub guys in.
Deandre hunter and 2 firsts, capela goes to the Lakers to get another first.
Kat Wiggins Simmons. All soft players at the time and weren’t playing hard/taking the game seriously.
Bam doesn't have the handle to be a point forward
pels zion cj for jimmy and terry works trade machine
Terry gone what are you talking about Ethan trade that little Sasha
Jimmy already burned the bridge in Chicago, they won’t take him back..
Dallas trade idea makes no sense for either team….
I like any trade that includes getting rid of Rozier..
How bored with life do you need to be waking up at 5am to do imaginary trades 💀💀
Hell No to JB at GS. He is too old, a malcontent, doesn’t show up in regular season, too expensive and wants a max extension. Much prefer Wiggins. Curry can’t carry the load anymore and JB doesn’t make them a contender. GS is way too far away from contention and delaying the inevitable by pretending there is still hope is short sighted and naive. Jimmy isn’t that guy anymore and neither is Curry consistently . Would like to see Zion in Miami. That would be fun but that is a pipe dream. Pels most certainly don’t want JB or scary Terry.
Jimmy Butler is diva it is what it is 🤷🏽
Spo is too predictable and Bam can’t compete against bigs, check his history.
We need to play all our bigs together
Hell yeah, Ware @ the 5, Bam @ the 4, and Niko @ the 3 or even Point.
Bam at sf because he can't guard centers but can gaurd smaller player
NO is going to want Bam if they are giving up Zion…. Not going to take jimmy and a garbage player like Rozier….
Jimmy Quit
As of now,the Heat doesn't have a structure, or a goal. Not until Riley and Spo are gone,that is when they can rebuild.