thanks James for interviewing me. Many don't like my English ... ok that's fine but when I was fighting in AFGANISTAN with American special troops it wasn't a problem.
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This guy comes from Veneto, the region of Verona and Venice (you can clearly notice it by the heavy venetian accent) and he’s an absolute unit. If I’m not mistaken he served with the 9th Reg. Col Moschin which is the army Tier 1 unit, kinda the italian Delta Force
I didn't know what a PMX was and I admit I got a little excited thinking they'd re-worked the ARX to make it more competitive/useful/etc. Shame. This looks like a nice little SMG though. Again, some weird choices with stuff like the integral little euro-styled sling mounts, etc.
@@danLTa1 TFB says so. Survived the mud test and was thrown in the bayou. He also cited a rental gun at his local range for having over 5,000 rounds, which had no issues other than excess recoil spring wear. On the other hand, I've heard conflicting things about the military trials. One source said the Beretta and Sig were the finalists, then another said Beretta did not make it past the first stage (along with everything else but the Sig). No malfunctions with mine yet after around 1,500 rounds shooting only Tula and Blazer.
I love the notion of abbreviated sights on the top of folded, flip-up sights. Not sure you could co-witness them on an AR, but it's definitely a good idea
I'm sorry but why? It's direct blow back with no buffer system. The only PCC's I'm interested in, especially in that price range, are ones that are roller delayed and/or have a buffer system that keeps the PCC tracking SUPER flat.
So around $1700 for a polymer, straight blowback 9mm that take proprietary stick magazines. Yeah, I'm not seeing anything to get excited for here.... It does look nice.
YES! I was about to throw hands with the pasta eaters last month after Beretta teased them in an Insta post, but maintained that civilians weren’t getting them
@@MbisonBalrog yes but nothing forces anyone to stay in NYC or to go their for that matter, I don’t go to California or New York regardless of what rates are offered.
James, Amico! That is a Sexy Italian Machine Gun. Hope we can get it here, looks like a Tax Stamp will be necessary. Unless they call it a "Pistol". Great video. Hope you are having a great time in Italy. Ciao!
James, Luca looks like he could serve you as a tennis ball, and you’re not even a super small guy but holy shit he dwarfs you, man is an Italian gigachad
Excellent video James. I'm glad to see new pccs coming to market. Is it coming with a brace as a pistol? Braces seem to be on the outs with ATF making up rules as they go.
Love to see inforce getting some recognition being mounted on the end of their display gun. Ive always been wanting one but was waiting for a more proven track record. Now might be the time
I only had one inforce light and it had worsening parasitic drain. Went from many months to a point where it was draining a new battery within days. Inforce took care of me and sent a new light, but these things do stay in your mind and it really illustrates why first impressions and general QC are so important.
@@jac1207 if they stand by their product and take care of you, its tough to rag on them if it's made right. The best companies have bad QC days, so im always willing to give a company "1" shot to make things right. Anyone who knows about manufacturing processes, thats fair in my mind
But the CX4 storm takes 92 magazines and there's a company that chops the goofy stock and fits a buffer tube style. Beretta makes 30rd 92 mags these days.
I am interested. However, why a company would not also include a tri-lug in addition to a threaded barrel on an SMG/PCC is perplexing to me. Additionally, I hope that it is less than the equivalent of 1600 Euros in the US. The pricing of guns in Europe and the U.S. is not always as straightforward as a currency conversion. Different markets, different laws, import requirements, etc can result in different prices (potentially higher or lower) between Europe and the U.S.
it will cost substantially less in the us despite is made in Italy. For example an m9a3 black cost 1350 euro here (i live in Italy) and for what I see in the us it go for average less than 1000 USD.
IWA first and now Verona,Italy? You guys are making more frequent flier miles than ever before. James,ever thought about relocation to our side of the Atlantic? And don't worry,you can still wear your shorts over here.
I want this man to pronounce Italian foods with his accent so I can make sure when I order spaghetti at the Olive Garden I have the correct annunciation.
I had a CX Storm, the trigger sucked , thats why I sold mine. No aftermarket triggers were available. An AR platform pcc was way lighter also. For the price they are asking Im not at all interested.
That and a telescoping bolt sure does keep things compact, but the trade-off is single-feed mags that are forced into an angle that doesn't cooperate well with capacities over 20 rounds.
I loved my cx4 storm! I bought one when they came out and I still have the receipt somewhere. It was like $499.00 I think?? I would love to have it back now. I regret selling it..
I love beretta but got damn why wouldn’t they use the apx, px4 or 92 mags. Apx being modular I would’ve gone with the apx line but come on beretta all new products with proprietary mags smh 🤦♂️. Apx being what it is and y’all haven’t done nothing with the line. If y’all start making just the slides alone owners will be happy. Just my 2 cents.
It's a long story but the gun was never designed for that to begin with. Also stick mags that are double stack double feed are better than pistol mags imo. IYKYK
Hopefully this Pistol will have the cool factor of the Kriss Vector, the reliability of the CZ scorpion, the recognition of the MP5 and the price of the Stribog. To be honest with you the PCC market is way overpriced when you consider that you can get an AR pistol using a cheek hold that will outrun any PCC in terms of accuracy, reliability and performance. Perhaps Beretta will reconsider their pricing.
10mm has an overall length of 1.27", which would likely be an issue....(assuming the increased blast/power/recoil forces is not an issue for any blowback .40 S&W, as opposed to the even more powerful 10mm)
Oh my god, a 9mm simple blowback PCC that mimics AR-15 ergonomics for between $1.5-2k? HOW FUCKING NEW AND INNOVATIVE! Called it when I saw the thumbnail. Every single gun release is an overpriced simple blowback 9mm PCC for $1.5-2.5k. Every single one. Who's buying these? Does law enforcement even use these? What the fuck gives? And why does every company think they should redesign literally the simplest possible gun and sell it for over a grand? We got the MPX years ago and that should have killed this market. Then we got the Banshee to reinforce that, and I'm sure many more. Hell, I'm not saying it's a good gun, but I can even get a Vector for less than lots of these guns. Beretta, it's been about a century since you sold the Model 1918/30, and this is effectively the same gun. This is caveman technology, and it's fucking 2022. Put some delay in there or literally fuck off, I swear to God. Stop selling glorified steel pipes for the price of a legitimate gun.
@@burtbiggum499 Apparently my post was salty enough TH-cam asked me to double-check it was within the Community Guidelines. I didn't even know that was a feature.
I feel like there’s really no pleasing people. For example: People will complain if gun “X” isn’t a AR, then gun X is modified to be more like the AR, then people complain that it’s like the AR. Although I do agree, nothing ground breaking with another run of the mill PCC.
Kinda cool but it's expensive, only straight blow-back, and takes proprietary mags. Not as expensive as a B&T but still. And I can't even change the grip. Personally I would rather see a pistol version of the CX4.
Fun Fact: It is actually a B&T Design: the P26 licensed by Beretta. B&T only Made 1111 pieces of that little Carbine as a Tribute to swiss P26 secret Army.
So call me what you want, I'm a product of American entertainment and stereotyping... But with a product manager that looks like that I was expecting to hear... "You buy'a our machine'a gun'a or we break'a your face'a". He's probably a great guy though, he's talking to James and hasn't rearranged his face (yet).
With 9mm prices stabilized where they are at, I just don't see or understand the appeal of PCC's. The ballistics of a round like 223 will always be better, and the price difference is basically negligible at this point. Plus, proprietary mags, straight blowback, probably an expensive price tag, and the possibility of pistols now being considered SBRs but the ATF there's just no point to these guns. Jus rebuild an AR9.
Subguns make sense when you start trying to make a -shoulderable- _arm braced_ gun as small as possible. Think MP9/TP9, Mini Uzi, MP5K. It's hard to get a 5.56 ridle to fit in a backpack, and when it happens it has such a useless barrel length that 5.7 ends up as a better choice. Now, 300 BLKOUT can make 9mm subguns seem pointless, but sometimes people just dont want to integrate a new caliber into their collection, especially at the price and availability of 300BLKOUT.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz This. You can make an mp5k fit in any bag you want and its much better than a pistol. Only a full size pcc is one that doesnt make sense
9mm subguns are kind of neat for the lower concussion and less penetration risk with frangibles, easier to suppress too. Honestly: if you're going to need a reasonable justification for every gun you purchase then you're just doing it wrong. You can buy whatever you want for whatever reason you want, even if it's only "it looks cool". Don't be like those fudds, "Ya don't need an AR15 with a 100 round clip for home defense!"
When the promotional video shows a selling point of buis.... Yeah this aint looking so hot. And I'm a pcc lover. edit: Tube design. For cheaper manufacturing. Reciprocating charging handle. ***proprietary*** stick mag(there's a reason that every single proprietary mag out there is curved - mpx, mp5, scorpion, vityaz, etc.... - Bullets aren't just blocks of metal. They're tapered, including pistol rounds. Curved mags increase reliability/feeding.) no mlok, by default a quad rail. The only ambi control is the mag release and safety. simple blowback. This design is cheap as fuck, and straight out of 1950. Looks like you're better off with a stribog if you want something cheap, because this'll certainly cost more.
It definitely gives off some M12 vibes. I seem to remember in the eighties they were pushing hard to get the US military to replace the grease gun with it after the M9 was adopted along with pushing the AR-70's. Luckily they did away with the grip safety interlock and that wire side folder during the redesign. The weight savings are great as well as the modern ambi features, hopefully the accuracy and reliability are good as well. I can't wait to see your review James, some great cos-play opportunities there!
So another overpriced pcc? Let me guess…Priced similar to the B&T that few can afford? Lol…Blowback which means get yourself an AR in a pistol caliber for a fraction of the price that uses the cheap and plentiful glock style mags, 👍
@@TFBTVShowTime Obvious some can afford and do buy the B&T. Trying to erode a position by taking a comment as literal when you know there’s slight exaggeration is pointless. For the LARGE percentage of us not interested in spending 2000 on a pcc when we can have a comparable pc for 600ish And use the remaining 1400 on ammo and training it seems like a silly priced item.
Before you read this I am not one to usually ever leave bad comments about something but they must have made @TFBTV SHOW TIME a good deal to promote this generic overpriced pcc. Defending it a little too hard, and not listening to possible customers feedback. I mean its direct blowback, no innovation, proprietary magazines, and most likely >1500. Like i dont get why hes got them so hard down his throat.
@@103devina I think he likes the more expensive guns. It’s usually what the videos are about. Firearms that most people can’t afford or won’t rationalize. I personally can’t rationalize a firearm that does exactly what my Ar9s already does, has smaller and more expensive magazines, and way pricier but in a lighter package. That’s a lot of downside to save 2lbs maybe? Would I have more expensive firearms if I could afford it? Probably not. I’d rather spend the money on better ammo, lasers, optics, and NVG.
I havent ben happy with Beretta quality. I just bought a 1301 and had to take it back and switch it out becuase of front sight damage. And the second one has the same damage. It is a 1301 marine nade in italy.
thanks James for interviewing me. Many don't like my English ... ok that's fine but when I was fighting in AFGANISTAN with American special troops it wasn't a problem.
Your English is great, I personally like the accent since my parents are from Latina, Italy and you sound like my uncles. Ciao Paisan!
Your English is fine and I'd rather hear native tell me about the wonderful things made in his country! 🇮🇹🤌🍝
The cylindrical upper receiver gives it a little bit of retro smg look
look up the B&T P26. beretta bought the design from B&T and then refined it even more
True. Looks like the Beretta M12 had a grandson.
Love it
I like. 🤌
Sort of a grease gun look
That buff gentleman is exactly what I imagine a Beretta rep looks like.
ummm - yeah - but now the question is - "Why do you imagine Beretta Reps exactly like him in the Buff ?" 😜
Tec 9 made to military specs! I'm in love.
I can't unsee it now
@@sieli161 it literally is based on the tec-9
B&T P26.
They are indeed both black, have triggers, magazines, and have ...barrels.
What about a modern M3 Grease Gun? 👀
Looks like a modernized version of the M12.
I remember the Aeronautica Militare and the Carabinieri carried them when I was in Italia.
ATF is going to LOVE when they enforce their new receiver rules on this!
FTATF
@@johnbearross Save the dogs. Abolish the ATF.
AFT
FTATF... And I bet it never makes it in the US.
Overpriced
Nice! Looking forward to more excellent content, James! If it's of the same quality as your IWA content, I will view it all, spell bound!
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James Italy loves you!! 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
I loved Verona!
A gun company I love, town I love, couldn't be better!
Lucky Dogs, I love Italy !
I normally don't care for PCCs. Especially straight blowback PCCs. This thing does one thing that the others don't though; it looks cool as hell.
Straight blow back subguns are doodoo.
MPX looks very similar and is more customizable
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz not the kp9
@@jasonrice5094 is the KP9 straight blow back?
This is too short to be a PCC. It be classified as pistol in States.
This guy comes from Veneto, the region of Verona and Venice (you can clearly notice it by the heavy venetian accent) and he’s an absolute unit. If I’m not mistaken he served with the 9th Reg. Col Moschin which is the army Tier 1 unit, kinda the italian Delta Force
I like it. It's like they revisited the old M12 sub gun and rebuilt it with modern sensibilities. Plus, I'm a sucker for sub guns.
Luca looked so menacing then he spoke and he sounds like such a friendly guy 😂
I didn't know what a PMX was and I admit I got a little excited thinking they'd re-worked the ARX to make it more competitive/useful/etc. Shame. This looks like a nice little SMG though. Again, some weird choices with stuff like the integral little euro-styled sling mounts, etc.
They really should let some Americans revamp the ARX. They could compete and sell well with just a few changes.
Uh. Sit tight.
@@TFBTVShowTime God, I hope that means what I think it means.
@@TFBTVShowTime tease.
@@TFBTVShowTime an updated ARX???
Great interview.
it's crazy to say but Beretta is so underrated these days but the people who shoot th love them especially when it comes the the APX
APX is a great gun for the money. I think it would've won out over Sig during trials if not for Sig underbidding.
Is the APX reliable like Glocks?
@@danLTa1 TFB says so. Survived the mud test and was thrown in the bayou. He also cited a rental gun at his local range for having over 5,000 rounds, which had no issues other than excess recoil spring wear. On the other hand, I've heard conflicting things about the military trials. One source said the Beretta and Sig were the finalists, then another said Beretta did not make it past the first stage (along with everything else but the Sig).
No malfunctions with mine yet after around 1,500 rounds shooting only Tula and Blazer.
@@danLTa1 I can recall one apx torture test, maybe MAC, and the slide serrations made it extremely hard to rack the slide when wet/muddy
The APX should have won the modular handgun series
I just gotta love this super buff gentleman with an Italian accent.
This reminds me of the Beretta M12 but closed-bolt
Good eye
@@TFBTVShowTime so it does not use Glock mags?
look up the B&T P26. beretta bought the design from B&T and then refined it even more
@@TFBTVShowTime oh yeah, there's a Beretta M12 variant called "PM12S"
@@ferdivisser1983 no, but the CX4 does take Beretta 92 mags which come in 20 and 30rd flavors.
I could listen to him talk all day
I love the notion of abbreviated sights on the top of folded, flip-up sights. Not sure you could co-witness them on an AR, but it's definitely a good idea
B&T sights do the same
Nothing new, B&T has been doing it.
You are killing it with the worldwide coverage. Keep it coming! This looks awesome. Could dethrone my CZ Scorpion if done right.
Holy shit this gun looks impressive.
I'm sorry but why? It's direct blow back with no buffer system. The only PCC's I'm interested in, especially in that price range, are ones that are roller delayed and/or have a buffer system that keeps the PCC tracking SUPER flat.
And can we agree that Luca is like... a picture-perfect model to demonstrate and talk about this gun? That is one jacked and handsome man!
I'm excited! Gun looks really cool! Hopefully it comes out at a decent price! If it's priced about the same as a CZ Scorpion EVO, I might pick one up!
€1600 is like $1700
Scorpion Evo are over priced
@@Danefrak you can get them blemished from CZ
@@pepelepew8147 the new 1200 MSRP is crazy man and I'm a cz simp
@@Danefrak Evo 3s are the best $800 subgun that CZ charges too much money for.
So around $1700 for a polymer, straight blowback 9mm that take proprietary stick magazines. Yeah, I'm not seeing anything to get excited for here.... It does look nice.
My thoughts exactly
That dude is huge
For reference I'm 6ft 180lbs. He's a monster fr
My man is swole.
Alright, Im just gonna say it. Luca needs to be a playable character in the next COD game. Dude just looks badass!
My Cx4 storm has been a tac driver for over 10 years. Bring on some Italian love
YES! I was about to throw hands with the pasta eaters last month after Beretta teased them in an Insta post, but maintained that civilians weren’t getting them
If Italia changed their gun laws...I'd sell ALL my stuff and move back tomorrow. ❤️
Great culture, great food, and they build some great guns. 🇮🇹
The laws over there are better than some places in the US like NYC.
@@MbisonBalrog yes but nothing forces anyone to stay in NYC or to go their for that matter, I don’t go to California or New York regardless of what rates are offered.
@@jaydunbar7538 gotcha but some are stuck in NYC. CA guns are not that bad.
@@jaydunbar7538 Wtf are you talking about? Poverty causes people to be stuck in these states.
You can join the marine corps and get out of any state you are in. Ask me how I know
I love Beretta guns and I want this!
Like a modernized PM-12S. That’s sexy
James, Amico! That is a Sexy Italian Machine Gun. Hope we can get it here, looks like a Tax Stamp will be necessary. Unless they call it a "Pistol". Great video. Hope you are having a great time in Italy. Ciao!
Cool looking but I have no interest in basic direct blowback PCCs when there's much better options out there.
James, Luca looks like he could serve you as a tennis ball, and you’re not even a super small guy but holy shit he dwarfs you, man is an Italian gigachad
That looks like a beefed up modernized PM-12, which is very cool.
I dig the flip up sights with integrated pistol sights when flipped down. Simple, but brilliant. And the rest looks cool too.
Looks really nice, great video as always.
A pretty compact and neat video Mr.James.
I love the modern/retro look of this PCC. Can't wait to buy it.
I’m excited for your sit down with the sweet Austrian Miss Danielle 😍😎✨
Once again James… sweet presentation!🤩😎👌🏽
Excellent video James. I'm glad to see new pccs coming to market. Is it coming with a brace as a pistol? Braces seem to be on the outs with ATF making up rules as they go.
Braces are on the way out for the SHEEP!
@@revolution6133 I wish you and your dog luck when the feds come for ya.
@@t.dubbya7000 and the wife. Remember they like to snipe unarmed women holding babies too
@@t.dubbya7000 tell your wife’s boyfriend I said hello
@@t.dubbya7000 What a defeatist attitude. George Washington would be so proud of the SHEEP we’ve become.
Outstanding 👍 I can see Abit of throwback in some way to the ole' Beretta model 12s. Very coo👍
Luka is a fucking unit
Former SF, total beast
Awesome interview with Arnoldo Schwarzenelli, the gun was pretty rad too.
That looks amazing and I hope it's not an Uber rich price tag on it. I can't wait to see this in the US!!!!!!
Sounds like it will be reasonable
Beretta has always priced fair.
@@TFBTVShowTime the hard part is convincing the wife to grow the armory lol
@@jeffd5113 Indeed.
I think he said 1600 euros, which is like 1700 us.
I finely tuned Italian Tec 9
Love to see inforce getting some recognition being mounted on the end of their display gun. Ive always been wanting one but was waiting for a more proven track record. Now might be the time
I only had one inforce light and it had worsening parasitic drain. Went from many months to a point where it was draining a new battery within days. Inforce took care of me and sent a new light, but these things do stay in your mind and it really illustrates why first impressions and general QC are so important.
@@jac1207 if they stand by their product and take care of you, its tough to rag on them if it's made right. The best companies have bad QC days, so im always willing to give a company "1" shot to make things right. Anyone who knows about manufacturing processes, thats fair in my mind
Inforce is literal garbage
Europe loves them... But keep in mind there are more humans than guns in Europe take it as you will
Definitely do more videos from this show! Great venue. Great content. And really looking forward to new options in the US market!
Looks cool but to be competitive it’ll have to be around cz scorpion/kp9 pricing.
This will be far superior to the Scorpion. This should be a duty grade firearm, not a range toy.
@@TFBTVShowTime duty grade, like the Scorpion.
@@TFBTVShowTime will believe it when I see it lol. If you think I’m gonna pay b&t money for one of these you are high as a kite.
@@TFBTVShowTime spicy 🔥🌶
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz obviously James disagrees lmao
Holy shit, I would not fuck with Luca. My man is jacked!
Love the design.. curious to see how it performs.
Nice! One of my questions for the Beretta interview checked off the list
The best PMX WAZAAAAA!!!! maneggevole precisa fantastica, voci EOS 2022 riferiscono che in elaborazione miglioramento calcio e organi di mira,
Great video thank you! I'll have to pick one up when they come to the USA.
I hope a 92 mag conversion is in the future.
Yes, absolutely would be nice!
Fr otherwise I'm looking to still get a cx4 lol
It looks like this uses a double feed magazine. 92 mags are single feed. not gonna happen without some pretty serious modifications.
But the CX4 storm takes 92 magazines and there's a company that chops the goofy stock and fits a buffer tube style. Beretta makes 30rd 92 mags these days.
Eww no.
Giving some modern Spectre vibes and I'm loving it!
This looks like what I think an upgraded M3 grease gun would kind of look like. I like this
If only in 45. Home defenders want a big subsonic projectile for suppression
I love the aesthetic of this one...
I'm handicapped. Can I get it with a pistol brace? I also need it with it redesigned with Beretta 92 or Colt SMG mags.
They will they know that theres a huge handicapped gun owner community haha
This Luca looks tough!
I am interested.
However, why a company would not also include a tri-lug in addition to a threaded barrel on an SMG/PCC is perplexing to me.
Additionally, I hope that it is less than the equivalent of 1600 Euros in the US. The pricing of guns in Europe and the U.S. is not always as straightforward as a currency conversion. Different markets, different laws, import requirements, etc can result in different prices (potentially higher or lower) between Europe and the U.S.
An astute post. Refreshing.
Tri-lug? Not just no, but hell no.
it will cost substantially less in the us despite is made in Italy. For example an m9a3 black cost 1350 euro here (i live in Italy) and for what I see in the us it go for average less than 1000 USD.
@King Tutt Ehhh there are some great qd muzzle devices but tri lug is not one of them
Luka really needs to James to "Get to the choppah!"
Let’s fucking go
LFG PMX!!!!!!
Looks amazing!
IWA first and now Verona,Italy? You guys are making more frequent flier miles than ever before.
James,ever thought about relocation to our side of the Atlantic?
And don't worry,you can still wear your shorts over here.
Excellent looking tool!
I want this man to pronounce Italian foods with his accent so I can make sure when I order spaghetti at the Olive Garden I have the correct annunciation.
Olive Garden is not authentic Italian food
@@mrazcr000 That was the joke my guy. #SPAHget!
I can't wait, this would make a great addition to my Beretta collection, hopefully I can afford one of these one day
Italian schwarzenegger
Lolol dude I'm editing this video today thinking this exact thing
Verona is my hometown... no way!!! Haven’t been in over 20 years 😂
I was hoping it was a rework of the CX4 Storm. I love the idea of the mag going through the grip like a pistol, a great way to keep it compact.
I had a CX Storm, the trigger sucked , thats why I sold mine. No aftermarket triggers were available. An AR platform pcc was way lighter also. For the price they are asking Im not at all interested.
That and a telescoping bolt sure does keep things compact, but the trade-off is single-feed mags that are forced into an angle that doesn't cooperate well with capacities over 20 rounds.
I loved my cx4 storm! I bought one when they came out and I still have the receipt somewhere. It was like $499.00 I think?? I would love to have it back now. I regret selling it..
Looks like a reciprocating charging handle? I figured we had seen the last of those...
If it comes at $ 850 msrp this is going to be a hit.
Unlikely. 1600 Euros is about 1700 USD.
Almost 1700 American
For $850 - you'll have to settle for the CX4 Storm (I love mine too much to pay 2x as much for this one).
I'd expect 1400 as the floor
@@Brad-ic4bp awesome carbine,bro
I love how it looks like a futuristic tec9
That PMX is the second hottest thing in this video 🥵
Then what is the hottest?
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 short shorts
I think if Luca says I need it then I need it haha
I love beretta but got damn why wouldn’t they use the apx, px4 or 92 mags. Apx being modular I would’ve gone with the apx line but come on beretta all new products with proprietary mags smh 🤦♂️. Apx being what it is and y’all haven’t done nothing with the line. If y’all start making just the slides alone owners will be happy. Just my 2 cents.
It's a long story but the gun was never designed for that to begin with. Also stick mags that are double stack double feed are better than pistol mags imo. IYKYK
@@TFBTVShowTime never had an issue with my Beretta 92 30 rounders feeding in my Cx4…. And m9 mags are ubiquitous.
Because the PMX is the B&T P26, just produced by Beretta
That's why the mags are (highly likely) to be exchangeable with B&T mags
I wouldn't mind if they chose to make one that takes Colt mags. Plentiful, reliable, inexpensive, and good for PCCs.
Hopefully this Pistol will have the cool factor of the Kriss Vector, the reliability of the CZ scorpion, the recognition of the MP5 and the price of the Stribog. To be honest with you the PCC market is way overpriced when you consider that you can get an AR pistol using a cheek hold that will outrun any PCC in terms of accuracy, reliability and performance. Perhaps Beretta will reconsider their pricing.
but will it be offered in 10 mm not just 40 in the future ?
Probably not as the 10mm is a bit sketchy in a straight blowback system, It would require an entire redesign of the operating mechanism
10mm has an overall length of 1.27", which would likely be an issue....(assuming the increased blast/power/recoil forces is not an issue for any blowback .40 S&W, as opposed to the even more powerful 10mm)
Holy crap I was just beginning to simp over the Beretta M12 and now this
Oh my god, a 9mm simple blowback PCC that mimics AR-15 ergonomics for between $1.5-2k? HOW FUCKING NEW AND INNOVATIVE!
Called it when I saw the thumbnail. Every single gun release is an overpriced simple blowback 9mm PCC for $1.5-2.5k. Every single one. Who's buying these? Does law enforcement even use these? What the fuck gives? And why does every company think they should redesign literally the simplest possible gun and sell it for over a grand? We got the MPX years ago and that should have killed this market. Then we got the Banshee to reinforce that, and I'm sure many more. Hell, I'm not saying it's a good gun, but I can even get a Vector for less than lots of these guns. Beretta, it's been about a century since you sold the Model 1918/30, and this is effectively the same gun.
This is caveman technology, and it's fucking 2022. Put some delay in there or literally fuck off, I swear to God. Stop selling glorified steel pipes for the price of a legitimate gun.
Normally its annoying when people get salty but youre absolutely right
@@burtbiggum499 Apparently my post was salty enough TH-cam asked me to double-check it was within the Community Guidelines. I didn't even know that was a feature.
I feel like there’s really no pleasing people. For example: People will complain if gun “X” isn’t a AR, then gun X is modified to be more like the AR, then people complain that it’s like the AR. Although I do agree, nothing ground breaking with another run of the mill PCC.
Then don’t buy one. Enough people don’t buy it for the asking price, the price will drop or gun goes away. Problem solved.
1600 Euro grease gun in 9mm? Thank you Beretta, very cool, and only about 70 years late!
Kinda cool but it's expensive, only straight blow-back, and takes proprietary mags. Not as expensive as a B&T but still. And I can't even change the grip.
Personally I would rather see a pistol version of the CX4.
Fun Fact: It is actually a B&T Design: the P26 licensed by Beretta. B&T only Made 1111 pieces of that little Carbine as a Tribute to swiss P26 secret Army.
Nice to see the infamous Tec-9 get the much needed updated it deserves :D
Oh wow... They took everybody's basement made, welded tube SMG, and made it out of polymer....
Looks tough, the gun too. Holding off on the mpx now
Should of been made to take 92 mags that way it would compliment the m9 or the 92.
No, it shouldn't have.
They already have the Storm PCC that takes their 92 magazines for that purpose, plus some AR-9s that take 92 magazines as well.
Can't wait I will definitely be adding one to my collection
So call me what you want, I'm a product of American entertainment and stereotyping... But with a product manager that looks like that I was expecting to hear...
"You buy'a our machine'a gun'a or we break'a your face'a".
He's probably a great guy though, he's talking to James and hasn't rearranged his face (yet).
Nice
With 9mm prices stabilized where they are at, I just don't see or understand the appeal of PCC's. The ballistics of a round like 223 will always be better, and the price difference is basically negligible at this point.
Plus, proprietary mags, straight blowback, probably an expensive price tag, and the possibility of pistols now being considered SBRs but the ATF there's just no point to these guns. Jus rebuild an AR9.
Subguns make sense when you start trying to make a -shoulderable- _arm braced_ gun as small as possible. Think MP9/TP9, Mini Uzi, MP5K.
It's hard to get a 5.56 ridle to fit in a backpack, and when it happens it has such a useless barrel length that 5.7 ends up as a better choice.
Now, 300 BLKOUT can make 9mm subguns seem pointless, but sometimes people just dont want to integrate a new caliber into their collection, especially at the price and availability of 300BLKOUT.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz This. You can make an mp5k fit in any bag you want and its much better than a pistol. Only a full size pcc is one that doesnt make sense
9mm subguns are kind of neat for the lower concussion and less penetration risk with frangibles, easier to suppress too. Honestly: if you're going to need a reasonable justification for every gun you purchase then you're just doing it wrong. You can buy whatever you want for whatever reason you want, even if it's only "it looks cool". Don't be like those fudds, "Ya don't need an AR15 with a 100 round clip for home defense!"
The fact that its right hand charging handle capable is all I needed to see. I'm in!
When the promotional video shows a selling point of buis....
Yeah this aint looking so hot.
And I'm a pcc lover.
edit:
Tube design. For cheaper manufacturing.
Reciprocating charging handle.
***proprietary*** stick mag(there's a reason that every single proprietary mag out there is curved - mpx, mp5, scorpion, vityaz, etc.... - Bullets aren't just blocks of metal. They're tapered, including pistol rounds. Curved mags increase reliability/feeding.)
no mlok, by default a quad rail.
The only ambi control is the mag release and safety.
simple blowback.
This design is cheap as fuck, and straight out of 1950. Looks like you're better off with a stribog if you want something cheap, because this'll certainly cost more.
Sorry no way abolsutley not whatsoever.. not a chance in hell bub, not in my watch. No way , no sir.
It definitely gives off some M12 vibes. I seem to remember in the eighties they were pushing hard to get the US military to replace the grease gun with it after the M9 was adopted along with pushing the AR-70's. Luckily they did away with the grip safety interlock and that wire side folder during the redesign. The weight savings are great as well as the modern ambi features, hopefully the accuracy and reliability are good as well.
I can't wait to see your review James, some great cos-play opportunities there!
So another overpriced pcc? Let me guess…Priced similar to the B&T that few can afford? Lol…Blowback which means get yourself an AR in a pistol caliber for a fraction of the price that uses the cheap and plentiful glock style mags, 👍
Did you ever wonder, perhaps - and bear with me here - if no one can afford B&T, how are they somehow in business?
@@TFBTVShowTime Obvious some can afford and do buy the B&T. Trying to erode a position by taking a comment as literal when you know there’s slight exaggeration is pointless. For the LARGE percentage of us not interested in spending 2000 on a pcc when we can have a comparable pc for 600ish And use the remaining 1400 on ammo and training it seems like a silly priced item.
@yoda x pew pew That sounds about right for Beretta. In 20 years they can try to relaunch this junk again. 😃
Before you read this I am not one to usually ever leave bad comments about something but they must have made @TFBTV SHOW TIME a good deal to promote this generic overpriced pcc. Defending it a little too hard, and not listening to possible customers feedback. I mean its direct blowback, no innovation, proprietary magazines, and most likely >1500. Like i dont get why hes got them so hard down his throat.
@@103devina I think he likes the more expensive guns. It’s usually what the videos are about. Firearms that most people can’t afford or won’t rationalize. I personally can’t rationalize a firearm that does exactly what my Ar9s already does, has smaller and more expensive magazines, and way pricier but in a lighter package. That’s a lot of downside to save 2lbs maybe? Would I have more expensive firearms if I could afford it? Probably not. I’d rather spend the money on better ammo, lasers, optics, and NVG.
I havent ben happy with Beretta quality. I just bought a 1301 and had to take it back and switch it out becuase of front sight damage. And the second one has the same damage. It is a 1301 marine nade in italy.
Cool. Basically a grease gun for millennials.
Just the vibes I got from it's design.
Basically a grease gun? Lol no
I told ya James, I told ya!!!
Looks neat!!!