Vienna is Building a $6BN "City Within a City"
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Beautiful video, even more beautiful city
Prague's nicer tho
I'd like to see a B1M video on Manchester's Northern Gateway now renamed Victoria North masterplan. It's at a similar scale to this although it is yet to fully get under way with only a few buildings under construction at the moment. Thanks!
This looks shit
The city is pretty, too bad Viennese live in it.
@@SnowyButterfly1 did I ask?
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verdient würde ich sagen!
Grüße aus Graz!
Seestadt schaut halt einfach krank aus
Ah of course! Fancy seeing you here!
I am super jealous honestly. I grew up in NA ignorantly touting to be lucky to be in the greatest part of the world.. now in my early 30's I wish I was born in Europe. It aligns with my political and sociological views MUCH more than here.
2:27 '"Aspern Seestadt" Translates to "urban lakeside"'
That's news to me and I live there.
Aspern is the name of the municipality and derives from the aspen tree. Seestadt is just a compound word (they're common in German) of See (lake) and Stadt (city)
I appreciate this comment as a person living in a German speaking country for many years but with very little confidence in my German skills. I didn't know what Aspern meant but knew "urban lakeside" didn't sound right.
Welcome to the world of marketing spin to justify the requirement for this project.
Hi @@Syzygy2048 apologies for the '2D' text as I was trying to be a little derogatory to the marketing people who came up with the name.
Oh, and where are the new residents going to come from?
@@flym0 Seestadt is a descriptive name. There's nothing wrong with that and it's not really some marketing BS, unless you consider the central artificial lake marketing BS as well.
As said around 1:15, Vienna is a growing and there are multiple large development projects around the City. Aspern (the municipality of which Seestadt is a part of) itself has wildly changed over the last 10 years as well. With tons of new apartment buildings (it used to be villagey and quite suburban (still is) before).
There are a couple of reason's for this population growth, including rising urbanization in the country, high quality of living as well as rising international prospects.
@@flym0 oh that's simple. People get born, people become adults and move out, people move house and people migrate to vienna. Just normal parts of a city's growth
Heat is still a huge problem in the district and there‘s an on-going discussion about how an artificially planted forest could mitigate that as newly planted trees are expected to provide shade only in around 20yrs. Would be an interesting topic about urban planning and the importance of shade/trees in cities in general.
Even young trees and grass helps, they keep things cooler than pavement does.
@@JeffDeWitt Yeah. I can tell you from experience that in Vienna's Inner City district (1st district) it can get brutally hot, even the pavement, since its basically a concrete desert almost there. Comparatively at places where there are a ton of trees and green spaces like parks, etc. it doesn't get as hot, even out in the sun.
there's plants who grow incredibly fast like the wisteria. We have one, it grows often 1 meter a month, loses his leaves in Winter, so sun can come in. It's incredibly good at providing shade, grows in thin, bendable ways, so you can lead the plant anywhere you want. It could shade huge areas within 2-5 years.
It isn't more hot than anywhere else where there's lots of asphalt and little greenery. At the lake it isn't as hot, for example.
The argument for so little greenery in the centre of the Seestadt was that they wanted it all to be barrier-free, means that disabled people can get everywhere with ease.
Also greenery costs more to take care of especially if every square centimeter is used as a toilet for dogs... like it's sadly often the case with greenery in urban settings.
On the other hand when the dog has to pee they have to pee they don't wait until you reached a convenient place... 🤷🏻♀️
They could've done better with the green areas and bothered with the thought "but what if it gets hot" because in most apartments you aren't even allowed to just build in an AC as you please, you have to her a permission to do that. And if everyone had an AC, that would cause problems because they need so much electricity...
@@tobiasobermayr501 But they make a huge mess when the leaves wither
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Vienna is planning to address all those demands in advance. Normally, cities dont have more land parcels to develop more structures
Usually most council land has been sold off to the developers that generally just speculate on it by some overely eager neoliberal government that wanted to reduce a deficit for one year decades ago so they could cut income tax.
Or maybe I'm just thinking about UK.
@@gebys4559 yeah, smart land planning is the secret sauce to the affordability of vienna. The city has a land fund that plans ahead more than 20 years, so they can keep speculators from snatching up property and making construction more costly. The "dark" side of this is that it only works because the same party has been in power for as long as democracy existed in vienna, and there is a good chance that things would start breaking down if politicians actually had to try to win elections with more short sighted selling points.
Sadly, the city I live in is always in 'catch up' mode. It's at least ten years behind where it needs to be. It's nice to know preplanning has worked for other cities.
@@gebys4559 Yes i do agree with you. Either the land has been acquired illegally or it has been acquired just to conceal the source of money. Some projects are kept on hold due to litigations being filed against them.
More ugly structures? They really forgot about good architecture. This new stuff is cheap, utilitarian trash.
and still, seestadt is full of plazas which are completely covered in asphalt and concrete, which makes it a cooking pot in summer. At least someplazas.
(you can even spot some in the last pan)
in this video it seams a lot (lot) more amazing then it feels as a viennese, although as far as I know, people who live there are quite happy.
For me its still a bit strange, it feels very alien and not like vienna at all. which does make sense though
As another viennese i have to disagree. It's an awesome addition and fits vienna quite well, given how it's a grown city and not a planned one, which lead to lots of different feeling areas in the city. Seestadt encapsulates this feeling pretty well
Als (gott sei dank) bald Ex-Seestaädter geb ich dir recht. Des Ghetto dorten kannst schmeißen ..
Was für eine 💩 du redest. 😂👌
Sag mir bescheid wo/wann du weg fährst ich möchte dir vorher noch ein Lied singen und bissl Glitzer Konfetti werfen.
That point had been justified by the planners with "it has to be super barrier free". 🤷🏻♀️👩🏽🦽🧑🏼🦯
Als Wienerin kann ich nur sagen: Die Leute finden immer was zum meckern hier, egal wie gut es uns geht. Ich find Wien echt fortschrittlich, wenigstens investiert die Stadt und gibt ihr bestes. Wien ist anders :D
Awful. Using prebuilt concrete walls like in the Soviet states 30years ago… Horrible design of some of the living apartments and buildings.
you can either design it like some east German low income urban neighborhood or you can use that old idea and transform it for present day development and build some modern and good looking buildings
What a nice change, seeing a new development like this being built for humans, not cars!
More normal in the EU, but this is still above average in quality.
My Midwest hometown is rapidly growing and I get more and more pissed off every time I see the expanding suburban sprawl. The U.S. has no idea how to design cities well.
Dont worry, the city of Vienna wants to built a highway to Seestadt. Currently the building sites are occupied by climate activists.
This is what the Olympic Park in London ought to have been. It's surprisingly accomodating for people who want to drive everywhere, and hostile to pedestrians and cyclists, for a quarter of the city that simply didn't exist only two decades ago.
@@liamness Uhh it might not be as good as this for sure but the Olympic Park/village in London isn't built for cars at all. Have you been to the place? It has excellent transport links and it isn't even fully done yet. How is it hostile to pedestrians and cyclists when I along with thousands of people walk and cycle there every day? The Olympic legacy left behind one of the better "newer developments" anywhere in London if not the entire country.
Wanting things to be better is good and all but saying it's hostile to pedestrians and cyclists is hilarious.
1:14 this is „Wohnpark Alterlaa“ and was built in the 1970s long before Austria joined the EU. A lot ob people say it is ugly, but the Residents love it there, and waiting Lists for an Apartment are long.
It looks amazing in my opinion.
They also all have rooftop swimming pools no?
Yes, they do
Yes and it was all build on a social Housing Budget, which is very impressive.
…and there are Indoor Pools as well….
"City Within a City" sounds kinda misleading to my ears, as the Seestadt is not within the city really, but forms one of its very outskirts. In fact, it's absurdly far away from the city proper for this place in which you can get basically anywhere within 30 minutes maximum most of the time(I still don't know how Vienna does this, it's magical. Probably the excellent public transportation).
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exactly!
Es ist halt trotzdem in der Stadt also passt der Titel
Never been to Vienna, but, if you check on Google Maps, Seestadt is within Vienna, so...
@@macwas21besterkanal48 Stadt im Sinne von town ja, im Sinne von city nein. City ist der 1.
Vienna’s a really interesting one. It was my home for a year, I often revisit, and I researched Viennese history for a while. It’s interesting that the population has, until relatively recently, been lower that it was during Habsburg rule. So for much of the 20th century, it was surprisingly spacious. Interesting to watch how the city is planning for a new era!
(Also a friend of mine, who’s a sleepy drunk, kept falling asleep on Line U2 and waking up in Seestadt when it was still a terminus in the middle of nowhere. Thought it was pretty hilarious at the time)
It was not really spacious, it was just so that up to WW1 often 2 working class Families lived in one 30 sqm Flat, one sleeping in the Night, working in the day, the other one sleeping during the Day working in the Night. This changed in the 1920s when the social Democatic- City government built hundrets of thousands of communal Apartments, the so called „Gemeindebauten“. Those are still owned by the City of Vienna. Today 500.000 People live in those Buildings, Rent is affordable. This is a big reason why there is not much poverty and and social Conflict in Vienna.
Yep, a huge reason for their success is the fact they haven't had to keep up with population growth for decades. Here are some other cool facts I learned while living there:
Vienna was designed to hold 2 million people pre-world war I. It was one of the fastest growing cities in Europe and the center of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. After its collapse, the population plummeted and it wasn't until the 90s and early 00s did Vienna hit 2 million. This means the city wasn't planning catch up like 98% of cities around the world are.
Vienna was also supposed to get rid of a lot of its train and tram lines through the city during the 60s and the height of the car epidemic. However, the council was so corrupt that they couldn't make any decisions and the movement towards cars failed. This has worked out beautifully for them nowadays.
Lastly, due to most of its buildings being built before 1900s, they are all considered historical. The government ended up buying a lot of these buildings as private landlords couldn't afford to keep the beautiful mosaics and designs maintained. This led to the city of Vienna owning 80% of all apartments. Thus, rent has been cheap and they have extreme power over land, unlike most cities.
Oh, I quite agree, Markus (I was being a little simple to keep it brief). And of course, ‘rotes Wien‘ and its long legacy has a really important role to play. But the post-Habsburg population collapse does make Vienna something of an interesting case, if you measure it against other European capitals of the time!
Well Seestadt is still in the middle of nowhere haha …
As a longtime expat resident I will definitely say the most prominent issue that has been steadily taken care of is the matter of public transport. The integration is incredible.
What happened to our great European architecture? These buildings don't have an ounce of soul. Yes they are functional and provide proof that a concept can be made real but do they really need to be this hideous? And it is not just Vienna.. it's everywhere Paris with the new Courthouse area, London and Washington DC have plenty too... If you go to Vienna, will you be visiting "Aspern Seestadt"? I know I won't.
Yes, it's very generic. Copenhagen has done it well with the newish Sluseholmen district.
Exactly. As a designer my work is all about communicating narrative, brand etc. I cant believe how poor this project is in that respect. The narrative it should be communicating the story and values of Vienna which has amazing aesthetics and art. Just a bit of neoclassical thinking would have helped in this respect a lot.
Honestly apart from the building this looks like crap and dilutes Vienna.
Lets not kid ourselves, the inner city is just as generic for its time, and you can go see the same historical architecture but better in cities that weren't bombed to pieces like prague, which is only like 3 hours away. The only style vienna has going for itself is the Arbeiterbarock, and that's really not the epitome of aesthetics either
@@majorfallacy5926 The inner city was more unique to Austria though. This new district could be almost anywhere. It communicates nothing about the culture. Well it communicates that the developers have no culture.
Majolica House is a good example of a Viennese building that has valuable style.
Griechenkirche Also good.
St. Stephen’s Cathedral is impressive
The Opera House whilst a slightly heavy building still epitomizes much that Vienna is famous for. One of the Pillars of the brand lets say.
Sure Prague may have some better buildings but that's a different country. The point is new buildings are part of a brand "Vienna" and they should all work together, all the districts. They should be part of a family. Like BMW is a brand all the cars keep certain characteristics across the range of products. It's not about historical architecture its about having a cohesive living environment that has a sense of place a shared history and future.
Almost no cities do this because town, local planners are not designers used to communicating brand and narrative. Most people have no idea about grand narratives beyond just conservation. It's not about conservation it's about having a message behind the aesthetics that works with the people, the lifestyle, the geography. Architects are usually not great designers either tbh. Just look at the mess that is London, where I am now.
They have lost their ability to appreciate the aesthetics of human desire for classic design.
The ugly is "edgy" and they believe it reflects back onto themselves as being at the cutting edge.
Some feel the past as the fingers of death, reaching out to chase them... and so run as far from it as they can.
This architecture suits those with second homes and large family estates in the countryside.
If this is your forever "home" .....then you see it is your prison.
Amsterdam is starting the biggest transformation in Europe in the next years, transforming the harbor in to a new city district with 70.000 houses - all car free - called ''Amsterdam Haven Stad''. Maybe a video in the future!
Yes please!
Reminds me about Hamburg's "Elb city"
I would love so much to live in a car free city or at least a car free district. It must be so safe, clean, quiet, healthy and just beautiful.
70 000 Apartements not houses! With the same capacity like Leiden!
the new buildings look atrocious. that's my only problem.
Great initiative, but from a design perspective it looks kind of soulless. Nothing about this quarter reminds me of Vienna.
it is. and feels like so when you pass trough.....just feels empty and cold. until as of right now
There are so many similar "artificial" failed townships in cities here in Germany. Most of them are soulless and cold. "Wohnsilos" - a shelter to sleep but not to live. Urban living can't be planned. It must grow. This looks the same like many other concret dump housings.
@@hesspet wtf does urban living can’t be planned mean. That’s bs and stupid
+Kaloyan Stoychev. That are people always saying when a new planned city gets built. But when one day the city is crowded and driving the poeple began to feel confortable and some understand that there was a wise plan behind it. Wait 10 years!
Nice to see development in the EU of this scale. Architecturally speaking, it is a big missed opportunity.
@Anel Zukic Well, you stated the obvious and yet it skips everyone's head anyway. The takeaway is, nobody likes the look of the architecture so how the f do they get away with building it at that cost? it looks like a preschoolers cut out paper project, along the way he ran out of white paper and decided to use blue or grey.. my only hope is future generations demo them asap. Likely they will fall apart in 4 decades like the other commy blocks built in the 70s Globally too! We even have them in the ex small hat locales in Cape Town.
I agree. If this had grown organically, in quick increments (as did Kowloon), one could understand the visual chaos. Apparently, though, they started with a big blank space, and filled it with THAT - on purpose. The lake COULD HAVE BEEN any shape. There are so many beautiful, intriguing, interesting shapes from which to choose. (quatrefoil and trefoil, for example - or a simple oval) Instead, they generated a form which cannot be comprehended. The lake looks like the flooded ruin of a factory or railyard. The layout of streets and buildings, is similarly discordant and baffling. One is reminded of what one sees, toward the end of the school year, at schools of architecture. I'd assumed that those nascent architects, once they had access to the tools and teams present in today's architectural firms, went on to help shape projects which did NOT look like the product of youthful poverty, sleepless nights, and professors intolerant of beauty. I was wrong. Apparently, those Architecture grads go on to make whole districts every bit as chaotic and ugly as their thesis projects.
It's horrible alright!
@@michaelnuttall5896 "Commie blocks" in ex communist Europe are the strongest modern buildings you will find, lol. Yeah they are somewhat ugly if not kept properly, but i assure you they are standing strong. In the case of an earthquake you will want to be in a commie block and not in this new age stupidity. It's obvious you don't know much about the eastern Europe.
@@Just_another_Euro_dude I don't know much about Eastern Europe no but either way you can like anybody else observe objective beauty. Naturally any environment can shape an animals character or a human beings nature, I just see the apartment buildings built during that time as ugly and soul destroying. It doesn't provoke me to be angry only sad. Whereas architecture prior had been quite beautiful and strong, the commie blocks need to go. They have no place anywhere let alone Eastern Europe.
Ugly development can hardly be described as sustainable
Many of the facades are bland at best (some of them are nice however), the rest of the development is of very high qualiyt though. The big thing about this development is something that sets it apart from so many other new towns around the world. There are a lot of neighbourhood parks parks, additionally to the lake and they are all very nice. As importantly the main street isn't some failed sterile transit space mainly for cars but it is actually populated by a good asortment of local stores and services (not just a list of 1 EUR shops and cheap fast food stalls, or nothing at all). This neighbourhood is actually truly walkable, that means it does not only have sidewalks but also places to walk to.
Of course that makes it a sustainable development. Now if only they could have maintained the aesthetic qualities of the better examples found there, also with the other buildings it would be almost perfect but even as it is, it is thorough success so far.
@@sagichnicht6748 many ugly developments are also very forward thinking for their times. In london I can think of many ugly developments which also prioritised community and pedestrians (not to this scale), but which are hated by the local area. the ones which aren't listed for conservation are all being destroyed, replaced by more high-spec but ugly developments which future generations will also seek to replace. Building for beauty is integral for sustainability
I mean Seestadt was given as an example of how not to build new developments because of the lack of green space and trees, etc, the main square near the metro line stop is almost all concrete and in my humble opinion looks very soviet (coming from a guy who lived in a soviet-ish country and moved to Vienna)
@@alexpetrov3289 The square next to the southern U-Bahn station is the only complete failure as far as it comes to design of public spaces. Almost the entire rest is the very opposite, a model case of design of public spaces. The share of parks is actually much higher than in most urban neighbourhoods and they are also distributed to an extend that no one has to walk far to the next public green space, on top of the central green space next to the lake. Almost the entire rest of the 21st district is almsot entirely devoid of such parks (or any proper urbanity for that matter).
@@xAKIMBOCURLYx except that the buildings aren't eye destroying monstrosities like those brutalist neighbourhoods you are probably referring to. Contrary to those the Seestadt is truly pedestrian friendly. It does not rely on failed multi-layer grade separation designs which are in reality car oriented, not pedestrian oriented. The pedestrian paths are not sterile and death but there are actually functioning local shopping streets at the heart of the already developed quarters in the Seestadt. The parks are not only plentiful but also designed very nicely and offer attractive space for grown ups and kids and on top of it you have a very popular swimming lake in summer and a local popular ice cream parlor.
Nothing spectecular to attract tourists from afar but pretty good stuff if you are looking for a nice place to live.
Hopefully they mimic the beauty of Vienna instead of "generic modern looking buildings"
unfortunately not...
One's hopes would be in vain.
They are not, and it its very annoying.
@@sayan1667 They are "not" because they have a brain. Hey, idiot, you use classic rotary wired phone, or a smart cell phone? Same deal with buildings...
@@KuK137 Look who is calling me an idiot... Mimicking the beauty of Vienna, we are talking about the facade of the buildings. I don't like that i have to climb 5 floors, because there is no elevator, but i love the design and the attention to details in the facade. These buildings made Vienna so popular, not the Wurst Stand. Look at the modern buildings that one is build for less than 8 Months. It looks like a prison. If you start telling me that its because contractors and materials are expensive, go and hide somewhere, because most of the contractors are from eastern europe working with cheap deals under contract with Porr or Strabag.
Why do all modern buildings look like the same ugly/minimalist/boring boxes? They should've stuck with the traditional architecture of the city
Right! Besides I rather live in a house with garage and yard instead of a hamster cage with a small balcony while getting gouged with rent prices.
Take your vaccine and live in your beehive. If you want to feel comfy, put on a vr headset.
@@oscarsalesgirl296 What does any of that have to do with vaccines?
@@henryjohnson-ville3834 Sadly, houses are almost not affordable for most or let's just say a lot of us here in Vienna, starting at around 450.000 Euros (at that price point they are very far away from the city center and it's mostly only an old building or a small plot or something like that)
@@henryjohnson-ville3834 I'm guessing you're american
You should do a video about Madrid.
They are building new neighborhoods with more than 100,000 homes or a new financial district known as Madrid Nuevo Norte.
Greetings from Spain❤️🇪🇸
Madrid is ugly. I was there and wasnt impress at all. Even a random ciry in Germany looked 100 times better. A lot of buildings were vandalized
@@justme-tu6sb most random comment ever lol you must have been blindfolded the whole time 😜
@@justme-tu6sb In my opinion, Madrid is one of the most beautiful and unknown capitals in Europe, it is the second largest city in the European Union, it has a very well preserved city centre, one of the largest palaces in the world and not to mention all its culture and gastronomy.
In short, a unique city. 🇩🇪🇪🇸
@@citiesintime7857 Madrid is beautiful, said from someone who lives in Rome :)
@@justme-tu6sb Germany has many nice cities. Spain and Madrid despite its financial difficulties is very clean and elegant. You’re probably from La Ciudad Sin Ley where locals get pickpocketed, assaulted and violated by the uninvited guests. Everybody is writing your city off just like several other European cities already have been. All the best.
i've been here since 2005 and i love living in Vienna. i travel out towards Seestadt every day for work.
however, despite having plenty of friends who live there, Seestadt itself leaves me cold - it's a bit like living in The Truman Show.
as a teacher, the school facilities there are incredible. i'd love for my children to attend those schools, but living there would be too much. right now it's too isolated and really quite sterile in the evening.
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I'm living in Belgrade in a building made from reinforced concrete that was made off-site and craned into position... and it was made in 1978! You are talking like this is something new and advanced.
The difference is that these pieces are custom designed. I'm not sure about craning in any of these buildings -- they seem to be quite large. The Soviet Union, where I used to live, also had this technology, but the end result was revolting. These buildings are modern equivalents of their imperials ones, in my mind.
@@somerset006 segments were craned and patched together on site, not the entire building :) Also, Russia was the leader in this technology, sadly they didn't had any taste in architecture :)
Titoist apartment blocks are a lot more stylish than the modernist crap that is getting built elsewhere in Europe.
@@GameOn82 most of the soviet neighborhoods in mordern countries rank among the best liveable.
@@dekaaizer2550 lol
This neighborhood looks awful but at least it is hidden from everyone else
Nothing more typically viennese than hating on everything by default :D I'm gonna bet you you haven't been there within the last few years and only saw the newspaper articles about that one pedestrian zone with the ugly asphalt paving
Wrong bet, I am a conservative french. My ancestors have thrived through many styles over the centuries such as the Gothic, Rococo and Art Deco.
Some of which were highly appreciated by the viennese and we now share some similar visions of what refinement and symphony should look like.
And this nonsense continuity of the bauhaus style still looks awfull a century later. There could be plenty other ways to use this new modular technique instead.
@@SP95
Ironically; Art Deco would lend itself excellently to modern modular fabrication techniques, but anything beautiful attributable to Europe is deemed offensive or something like that in the 21st century.
Looks like the same (neo?) functionalism of every city development of the last 20 years... shoe boxes completely devoid of personality... Le Corbusier would be proud.
agreed!
It's modern architecture, the only thing in architecture schools makes you learn and get inspiration.
@@thewok217 But they do build these kind of buildings right in the middle of the vienna. They demolish old historic buildings for these ugly "modern" ones...
@@hauker7496 very sad we should stop those assholes that are destroying traditional architecture.
Totally bland. The wooden building was ok. That could be anywhere. Why not extend in a more typical Vienese style? Not just generic modern buildings that will look dated in 25 years.
Many examples of these modern wooden buildings already exist in Vienna. It only takes a few short years of weather exposure for the wooden veneer to start falling apart and look awful. Once built, there is no interest in maintaining the buildings with the districts quickly degenerating in to a ghetto aesthetic.
I live in one of those generic new Viennese buildings. It was built in 2018. 3 years later it's turned from white to grey because of smog and already looks quite run down and unaesthetic. Unfortunately most new buildings in the city are more or less like this one. Plus in the summer it tends to get unbearably hot inside, air conditioning is almost non-existent even though Vienna has more days with extreme heat every year.
Those generic bland building style is very Central European.
It pop up in other countries but generally speaking these type of modern style were started in Central European countries like Austria, Czech Republic, Switzerland and Germany.
Lol you must not be American because this would be surely be considered an artistic design compared to the brick extruded rectangles here.
@@Rnbw16 I still wonder why Ac is not a Standard or at least shutters from outside
This grand development should inspire many locals to write good symphonies...
Or requiems for when it burns down faster than they can escape from their homes.
It's fairly unpopular in Vienna actually. At least in online communities and on tabloids. Most people who live here, including myself seem to like it though.
A valid critique is that they say they're so green and eco conscious, but there's a lot of asphalt and little space for plants, especially in the block where the subway station is, which is the first thing most vitsitors see.
To be fair they're doing something against that, and you don't have to go far to find parks and even a small forest, but it's still a bit weird.
about how bad living in Vienna is? For sure!
Modern architecture is horrible for your country.
@@RolyAngel lmao its the most liveable City in the world for more than a decade in a row
Those buildings are hidious . What a wasted opportunity
It's funny and depressing that Vienna started this project because they're about to hit 2 mil pop while my city with comparable pop still can't figure out bike lanes and transit.
Also the politicians in Vienna can’t figure out bike lanes and good transport. They are having some buses only run between 5 and 20 h but want to build a motorway through a nature reserve… And proper bike ways are missing in most of the city…
@@CityNaturePig just one side of the story. There will be always people who complain (especially in Vienna) no matter what you do.
@@CityNaturePig Compared to other places, it's way better though.
@@CityNaturePig You're talking about that Lobau thing, right? Environmental issues aside, it still is a bad idea since more highways cause more traffic and conjunction which in return makes it even worse than it was before. Communities around the globe should focus on environmental friendly transport and public transport more. Wie dem auch sei, schöne Grüße aus der Steiermark!
@@Kameliius Isn't that section simply going to make cars go around Vienna rather than through Vienna? Genuinly curious
These blocks could have been built in any country in the world. Most of the buildings look like bunkers or prisons. It's all so soulless.
But the difference is most countries arent building so there
@@dbtwenty8 It reminds me of something going on here in Raleigh, NC USA. The site of an old mall and several blocks around it have been turned into a new city center, North Hills, AKA "Raleigh Midtown", is pretty impressive.
It's modern architecture, of course it's ugly.
It's for refugees and taxpayers are paying for it. They keep bringing those people because the birth rate is low and they need people who are willing to do jobs for barely any money
@@slavaukrainitv2716 7 billion euro for a Ghetto, i don't think so.
not anything like vienna, they should have given the historical touch
most viennes agree with that. it is to modern! i like it but it feels alien when you are there.
Hard to make concrete buildings look like anything but bunkers.
Yea these buildings will not look good in 1000s years. However in 1000s years the altstadt of Vienna will still be coveted.
Vienna is a beautiful city with lots of history
You know that most of it was rebuilt during 1800s and older parts are very rare?
Most of its being torn down bit by bit
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I'm from Vienna and had a girlfriend in Seestadt and believe me... It's not as amazing as portrait in this video. It's mostly a concrete dessert... And most of the architecture is this modern abomination art..... I'd never ever want to live there.
Honestly, I don't like this new housing..
Planning to move to Vienna in a couple of years and this makes me even more exited for it!
i really like it here! ask me anything btw ;)
@@stefm.w.3640 viennas the best city in the world ong
@@stefm.w.3640 Thank you so much! I was kinda curious how you'd rate the public transport (most certainly in the old city and the newer districts) and if you had any must go placee to recommend?
Also thinking about it. Wien and Austria do a lot of things better than my homecountry Germany. The nature that surrounds the city is more beautiful too.
@@stefm.w.3640 What is the low end for rental cost?
I live in Vienna and honestly didn't know much about this area. Really nice surprise of a video!
I've been to Vienna once. Stayed there for a week... It's gorgeous, clean and easy to walk and to visit almost every historical/important sites.
@@dompdompdomp and the politics are a joke
@@dompdompdomp What do you mean, lol? Austria has much better living conditions, safety, less crime, less terrorism... I don't see your point. I'm from Portugal, so both Austria and Germany are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar superior than where I am.
@@dompdompdomp Only in Bavaria. Which is culture based more related to Austria (or vice versa) than (northern) Germany.
I'd definitely prefer an austrian restaurant over a northern german, in drinks and food.
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@Some one Well, exactly, if you compare NYC air quality to Vienna, obviously Vienna is much cleaner. I come from Lisbon, it's clean here, cleaner than Vienna but only due to the size, as Lisbon is smaller, but it's not even close to being efficient as Vienna is.
Meh, looks like an outdoor prison.
Sorry to say but this looks as grim as hell, a soulless vision of the future, albeit loads of eco-high rise builds, miles from anywhere, anything, how can this be called a city within a city, it's just a burb, lots of details on the build, but little on the transport given the large increase in population - no talk about jobs, are they all working in the real Vienna city?
There are local shops and restaurants like you would expect in a residential area they have metro and rail connections to industrial areas and universities...
To me it looks like an oversized labor camp for misbehaving citizens. Once get to send there for tax evasion and gets to watch historical Vienna on TV on weekends.
Actually the Video talks about jobs and transportation. Did you even watch it?
@@mystrayNot sure you did, it talks about "new approaches to urban living" with a dramatic population growth, the construction techniques, design, etc and yes indeed transportation comes towards the end...try watching again it a bit more attentively.
@@markflajsner9944Well, I already found the information in there that you are missing. Watching it again won't take it away.
The new buildings are so ugly 😭 i guess they really are trying to address overpopulation. I’d kill myself too if I had to live in those bee hives
Warm greetings from Vienna, one of the brightest sparkling jewels of europe!
This is something cities like Berlin need. Urbanization will increase and even know it's really hard to find a place to live. So sustainable, build for humans (not for cars) and a lot of public/community areas really is the future
Ahem, hm, uuuhm… _Vienna has money, Berlin does not._ Greetings from Vienna, and sorry if this came across a bit douchy.
@@mediocreman6323 Well it's the truth, nothing to excuse my dude :D
Berlin has been broke since forever ;)
But I think there are many things that still could be done tho. Sadly those actions aren't taken
They'll probably use parts of the former Tempelhof airport to build a new district!
@@meineomakenntdieroten That's what I always thought. Hope that it won't be stopped by people who like to live in the past
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"Smart Cities" = surveillance cities
I personally find most of the buildings hideous and boring. It's a shame that a city with such a beautiful historic architecture... still doesn't take any inspiration from it.
It's unbelievably ugly, like those old Soviet apartment blocks.
My cousin went to Seestadt 4 years ago when it first was avaible to get aparments.
Now he moved again to the city centre. Its just to far away - The concept is nice and everything but if you are a Viennese , you will know that Seestadt is "am oasch der woit"
Kommt drauf an wann man wo sein will. Man schaffts mittlerweile sicher innerhalb einer halben Stunde in die Innere Stadt, kommt halt drauf an ob das für einen schnell ist oder nicht.
I like the ideas presented here , but …does it have to be so ugly?
I don’t see any art in the architecture.
Hopefully there will be trees.
Vienna has a lot of flat land to expand on. Greetins from Bratislava, not so lucky city.
Oh come on, don't be sad. They are connecting to you with the metro :)
Less is more sometimes....that's coming from a Viennese who wants to leave cause because this city is turning into a disaster thanks to our far left politicians who care more about middle eastern citizens than the locals.
@@slavaukrainitv2716 then leave, no one is forcing you to stay
@@slavaukrainitv2716 no one wants a 1930s thinking nazi here anyways!
@@laughproduction3012 who said 1930s why nazis what is wrong with you are mad ? Can you read?
Ah yes... The "world" of precast concrete 🤣
This concrete jungle of buildings too tall and bulky, coupled with this cheerful video looks like the start of a dystopian movie where they show you the first days of the ghetto where the main character lives before everything went sour....
That’s a bit dark it looks awesome
Learning about recycled materials in my arch class this week so this was a fun watch :)
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Once again, a new development completely disregarding local architecture in favor of internationalist design. It’s as predictable as the sun rising in the east.
Positive effects of urban planning aside, this looks absolutely gruesome and drab, more like an alien invader force command center than a comfy living space. Can anyone say with a straight face that this will not look horribly outdated and dilapidated in two decades or even less?
It already looks outdated and dilapidated. It looks like somebody's thesis project, from the 1990s - or the 1970s ...a thesis project that's been sitting in an attic, somewhere - and silverfish have eaten the model's spray-painted green moss "trees".
It is absolutely awful!! But it's not for the rich. They won't live in these hideous blocks and have to walk everywhere. This is the future. Smart cities.
Its one hell of an ugly thing next to this beautiful city. Whoever designed this was either crazy or from somewhere else because that doesnt look like decent austrian Architecture.
@Alabama Boi than
@@Phoenixlp44 define "decent austrian Architecture".
I was there a few times… it looks like a “Concrete jungle”.
It’s so far from the city centre and modern amenities, entertainment, offices, shops etc.
This is absolutely fascinating! It reminds me of the country within a city: The Vatican. Awesome video! 👍🏼
I've been there, it's like walking inside a computer rendering.
@@rudiratte1 It's pretty soulless and sterile alright!
@@colors6692
And no pigeons or cats, which is bizarre, for Rome.
It reminds me of Stalin-era soviet housing projects. It's quite ugly.
Lol
Vienna is one of my favourite cities in Europe, you did great shedding light on it's green infrastructure. Cheers mate.
Thousands of people living on top of each other like bugs in ugly buildings lol sounds great
You know, people were saying that in the 19th century as well. Vienna at the time was a giant slum with a couple Aristocratic buildings in the center. The city was overpopulated due to the endless waves of German, Czech and Hungarian rural immigrants flooding the capital city of that empire at the time.that being said, the architecture is really ugly.
as opposed to previous centuries, where people weren't living on top of each other but beside each other, perched in small shacks?
This is the future we should be heading. No "line cities" in the dessert, no landings on Mars, just build more sustainable cities like this
In nearby Slovakia, Bratislava, there is also a whole district in construction also including hospital, you can check it out it's called Bory district
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Why is modern architecture so soulless?
I'm sure you spent a lot of time studying modern architecture before you posted that comment.
@@bezahltersystemtroll5055 modern architecture of the late 20th and early 21st century is designed to make a product for the lowest price with the highest profitability. This is why modern architecture that is mass produced always looks bland and uninspiring, if you don’t believe me just compare a typical townhouse or apartment from the early 1900s to the bland boxes that are being built today
@@surreal_neet _modern architecture of the late 20th and early 21st century is designed to make a product for the lowest price with the highest profitability._
Citation needed, only peer review please.
The typical apartment of the early 1900s? You mean the one where 5 working class family members lived in one small room?
@@bezahltersystemtroll5055 I’m not talking about standards of living, I’m talking about design. If modern architects made buildings with pleasing facades and modern amenities I wouldn’t have a problem with it but instead they design sterile nonentity structures that don’t have any cultural or aesthetic value
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As an avid student of historical architectural styles, I can state that this new development looks hideous. I suppose, when precast concrete is repeatedly stressed as part of the construction process, I shouldn’t be that surprised.
Do you think that it looks "hideous" because it just doesn't look "historic" or is it something specific about this particular modern architectural dsesign?
@@davochief4
Can’t speak for op; but looking at a Birdseye view of the project; it’s not the lack of historicity in aesthetic, but the utter lack of any aesthetic or sense of proportion, scale, symmetry, or even clever use of glazing and/or facades. Just black, white, grey squares superimposed on more squares, with a tree on every other balcony. I mean, kudos on the nice sidewalks, I guess, but even those seem to either lead to nowhere or ambulated around a boring-ass lake with nothing on/around it.
@@sergpie wish I could highlight this comment for the rest to see.
Precast concrete CAN be beautiful. I've been told that much of Beaux Arts Vienna's architecture is of cast concrete (those big, beautiful columns on some of the buildings, for example). One can order Glass Fibre Reinforced Concrete ornaments, all-day-long, from all sorts of makers. And other makers will whip-up any structural component one wants, with a minimum of fuss, and ship it anywhere. But that's not the problem. The problem is the pipeline producing today's architects, landscape architects, and city planners. These people are ideologically opposed to beauty, and totally incapable of producing it.
The people who made these buildings have complete contempt for their occupants
What a shame the new buildings are completely bland and soulless. A wasted opportunity indeed. Vienna could learn alot from NYC or London's modern architectural designs.
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The buildings are nice, but the landscaping is lacking
with a bike the Danube island is like 20 min away from there! there is also the "mühlwasser" which you have to cross to get to danube island. there is a lot of green nearby.
meh. Vienna is surrounded by great landscape. If you mean that. There's no really a need to artificially create anything.
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Cant believe they didnt stick to the cities beautiful architecture….so sad honestly
„New Standards“: the city of Vienna wants to build a highway to Seestadt (called Stadtstraße) to link it to the Highway A23 and to the planned Highway S1, which should go under a National Park (Donau-Auen) and the Danube. The city of Vienna can only build the northern piece of Seestadt if the highway S1 is built. They wrote it down in the environmental impact assessment (UVP)...
God dammit. Could have been a perfectly fine, modern, car free district.
@@GregVidua Climate activists are on the case and have been blocking construction sites for the "Stadtstraße" for the past months. So there is still hope to make this an (almost) car-free quarter.
@@whatever330
Why were climate activists not protesting against the creation of an otherwise nonexistent artificial lake?
@@sergpie what's the problem with digging a lake on an airfield?
@@fischX
Simple: it exacerbated climate change. The lake was not there; many cubic meters of earth were displaced, using carbon-intensive technology- along with the pumping and reallocation of an equal amount of water. Not building one road because of a few shrubs or something to facilitate the use of already extant cars on the road is only going to make for a shittier commute for everyone (busses use roads, too, and congested traffic creates more emissions than free-flowing traffic).
It looks a lot like a 1070's council estate. All cramped together.
It might age badly and become a ghetto...
Inevitably
Vienna doesn't really have ghettos, that's one thing the government is really good at preventing.
And no dear fellow viennese people, Favoriten isn't a ghetto. You are too privileged to know what a ghetto really is
This is one of your videos where I really would loved a more detailed and longer video. Really interesting, especially the timber buildings.
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Love the video. A lot of this new city is beautiful but some of the buildings are a bit soulless and I’m worried they won’t age well and are a missed opportunity. I wish them the best of course.
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Oh shock, banal, ugly Modern architecture!
Just remember not to reject an artist.
Visited museum of modern art in Vienna - can confirm no artist got rejected this time.
@@fischX boom, roasted
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Always reject artists; it’s how the secessionist movement began and gave us the art movements of the early 20th century that we all love to otherwise hashtag and promulgate.
really mediocre architecture for Vienna . Vienna deserves better
It really does, oh well. I noticed that a lot of old buildings in Vienna are being destroyed and replaced with monstrosities.
I love living in Vienna, have been living in 6 different rich cities around the world but Vienna is the best.
It's kinda funny for me as czech. So they basically reinvented concept of "sídliště" or Großwohnsiedlung and they promote it as revolutionary. I thought it was kinda old and terrible concept for living as our politicians told us when they canceled rest of those projects in Prague after Velvet revolution and indirectly caused that housing crisis which we are in now.
And the interesting thing is that we already had experience with this in the 70s - Rennbahnweg, Großfeldsiedlung, Mitterhofergasse. All communist-inspired, soulless settlements in which people could not flourish. And now it's all coming back.
The concept of satellite cities is even older and goes back to ancient Rome. It's not really seen as a revolutionary thing in vienna either, it just looks like it to people from the anglosphere. That said it's not a Sídliště. I concede that the buildings themselves are only marginally prettier than commie blocks but the planning paradigm is different
Edit: also we have small Großwohnsiedlungen too and they aren't exactly the best places to live in vienna, but Seestadt doesn't repeat the same mistakes
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It's too bad they went the modernist route, there's no culture or sense of place to it... it looks like it could have been built outside any North American city.
It's for housing actually, you can build just solely for architecture..
@@ra_jcat6607 But its possible to make housing look good too not ugly and plain like in seestadt
There are a few points you missed: The lake is wayyy to small for all the people that will sooner life there. They also sealed alot of m² with asphalt which really wasn´t necessary. There are now potted plants, where you could just leave a hole and plant a tree. Still I like the seestadt and I get to visit quite often, because my dad lives there. :)
Looks really uninspiring in terms of looks, especially compared to classical and beautiful european architecture in older parts of Vienna.
Well, you can't build houses the way they used to build them back then... Would be way too expensive. And Austria/Europe has many old, beautiful buildings/city centres
This lake is a bigger duck pool, made big by photographs and film.
Innovative = mind-numbingly bland
I live like many others in a 1890s-1910 built house in Vienna and would never trade for these.
I love the goals, ideas, sustainability, walkability.... but is it just me or are a lot of the new buildings ugly? Too slab sided maybe?
Yeah, i thought the same too
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Mass production of houses just like in the soviet era.
Love the content on this channel. This one however sounds like they read straight from the press release given to them by the company.
Thank you, that were exactly my thoughts
Dublin really needs something like this
This isn't new, this is how most old communist blocks are designed. Still very liveable today.
I was thinking the same. Most ''soviet'' blocks if not all were pre-made. That's how they were able to build them so quickly and they all look the same.
If only they were better insulated
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That video makes it seem more special than it is. As a local I can tell you that this part is often soulless, alot of people moved away, too much asphalt and generally disliked by many people living in vienna
If that was true, it would be easyer to get an apartment which isnt true. I try it for years now
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I like the idea of centrally desined urban growth with sustainablity in mind. But the place looks really dull. Hopefully this will change once the project is finished. But so far it reminds me more of a small town than a district of a bustling city of two million.
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Very technology, much intelligent... In Romania we used to erect pre-fabricated concrete panel buildings during the communist era.
It’s still the communist era
@@oscarsalesgirl296 I know. I was just alluding to the fact that the EU states have been re-discovering communism for a few years now. They don't really know what it is exactly so they're thrilled about it. As a easterner, I know exactly what it is and I can detect it in any guise.
I live in Vienna I’ve been to seestadt it’s so amazing and modern I love it
Great video thanks!
Video suggestion: modern buildings built in a historical architectural style.
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as great as all of this might be, I grew up here and it's rather sad seeing all the nature and peacefulness that's been there before just vanish in front of our eyes.
@John Haney i mean, population grows and this is the best approach. Or you rather just build single family homes???
Great vid but not impressed by the ugly buildings they are constructing. Vienna is such a beautiful city and they are just building these same monolithic concrete blocks filled with overpriced apartments.
Having lived in the Seestadt for a couple months two years ago, I really fell in love with Vienna and the concept of this development. While it could use a bit more green, it really does a lot of things right other urban development projects don't manage to achieve - like great access by public transport, local infrastructure, density and architecture (no street corner looks like the other, making it really interesting to just walk around and explore it). Also, there's nothing like coming home from work and taking a swim three minutes from your flat and the subway. I'm really looking forward to visiting again in a couple of years.
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