Number 1 should be a tie between can you sleep and drive the vehicle. Everyone spends many hours a night in bed and many miles driving. If either one of these is a no , then go find the one that fits. Love Bolsa Chica . Love the video.
When I first read the title of this vid, I thought c'mon it's common sense...BUT the more I watched and listened, you made some very important and insightful points; you have good experience! Glad I kept an open mind and watched through. You do good videos and thanks for sharing :)
I am liking your videos more and more. This is excellent advice. Especially the partner compatibility that you mentioned at the outset. My wife likes 4 diamond hotels when we travel, so that I plan to go it alone. After all, why travel with someone who is not equally enjoying the experience. I might have missed it but Neil also points out that if you plan to use the RV for four seasons, check that the pipes carrying liquids are inside the vehicle to avoid freezing and pipe bursts. From what I have seen in your videos, you tend to follow the milder weather. Like you, Neil loves the Pleasure-Way as being the closest to perfection. I only wish that the RV makers would produce a vehicle for two like those in Europe and Japan. These are more affordable for us average folks and can fit in any garage or parking structure. I simply do not have $150,000 to spare, but could manage a small RV in the $60-70,000 range. The problem with purchasing a used vehicle is that you really do not know the history of that vehicle as to how it was used and what problems it has that led to someone wanting to get rid of it. I have had a few friends who purchased used nightmares and spent more on fixing things than the cost of the RV. One thing that you did not mention. As I walk my dog through my neighborhood I see over 50 RVs that have been sitting in place for over 2 years. People often purchase the dream RV then travel a few times and then park the thing in their yards. Also there are many RV bone yards (storage) around here that never seem to change as to inventory. Best thing to do is to rent an RV a few times and see if you are going to really like being on the road. I have said enough, probably too much, so thanks again for the video and I hope that the viewers heed your advice. Thumbs up, already subbed!
All excellent points! Europe has many better options and their styling is way ahead of our "stuck in the '80's" look. I think the only used RV I would consider is the PW. We were surprised at the rally to see so many rigs over 10 years old. I've never seen any PW rentals in the lower 48 so I encourage folks to fly up to Canada and rent a PW from Canadreams. Good luck with your search!
We love everything about your Class B except the bed. I want a separate couch and table. I am an early riser. I sit at the breakfast table while my husband stays later. Your bed looks difficult to make. Even the lady at the meet up had words that said how easy it was. But her body language and sounds said making the bed was so hard. It’s great and I loved how sturdy it was and the camper easily navigated McCarthy Road.
I think it is the nature of all Class Bs (unless it is custom made). The B+ looks like it would be easier and certainly gives some separation for those with different sleep schedules.
Hello, but you are covering just about everything, great info, my wife can NOT understand , why anyone would live on the road,, if I ever get one, it will be for me, but my physical body had had it, I’ll be seeing my arthro MD, as my Rt arm has real problems, in that I rest it on my thigh, when driving. Now 78, driven 1.35 million miles, retired in 2003. Cheers from Nj🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I don't know if you follow "Gone with the Wynns" but their latest episode was an interview with their mom who had recently moved into a B+. OMG, 1.35 million miles!
From She to Me my trade was REFRIGERATION & air conditioning, , A company that I. Worked at twice , was a NY, CO, but I worked for them in NJ, mostly , every 8 weeks or so, you worked the week, but on FRIDAY you picked up night service then called in about 1 pm , picked up again but there was 1 store 75 miles away , you could go there EVERY NIGHT , the power company was doing work a few miles away, so they lost power , 5 fuses,reset ALL the computers for energy management , get them going , anyhow it was nothing to do 1500miles in a week , they wore out vehicles, as did I, my 1991 FORD TAURUS went 430 k, #5 cylinder had low compression , , take care& it will serve you well, Cheers From NJ🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Nice job ! You covered everything that really matters. FYI- Have a pleasure-Way , wanted to state how Bathroom for us was big , so we purchased a B+. The extra (wide) concerned us at 1st , however it's turned to be a winner for us and the extra size driving has not become an issue at all. When I was thinking about the bathroom, I turned to the fact I have many bathrooms in my current home and realized this would be hard to give up when traveling. Also think about a lightly used RV, we purchased ours with 15K miles (2014), now has 26K and very happy with the quality of the PW. Nothing has caused a problem, in many cases it was us not understanding how to use the item when we did have a problem ( NB-learning curved). BTW- our Regfr. works great we have a 2 way (Domatic) , when it's parked on our drive-way we keep the RV plugged into electric all the time. We have the RV two years and everything still working great, even the batteries remain at full charge (AGM). Once retired should we upgrade to another unit, we will only look at quality units. In-addition we found many people purchase a new RV hoping they will like this type of travel and quickly determine it's not for them, so deals can be had. Enjoyed watching, thank you !
Great overview Debbie & John. For people looking into buying a new self contained RV. They may want to check out the European ones and import one if they want a 4 season RV that's more insulated and built just like the Mercedes chassis is. Also I'd consider the drawer type freezers or frig. due to quality and they are used in Marine applications. Anything marine quality will be 10 times better than just RV quality, due to the same shaking & pounding effect of wave action. Minimize is key to being happy with RV life. Not stuffed to the brim is a great feeling. Pack less, and buy as you go if needed. Sometimes that's more fun also.
Don't know if you've seen 'Gone boondocking" you tube channel , but he's devised a way to recirculate shower water through 1-2 filters so you can continually shower with under one gallon of water (not navy showers but continual flow) constantly filtering the water you are showing in (even soapy water). It's interesting and can even be done for RV's like yours with tanks or outdoor van dwellers for about $100 bucks or so in modifications. So large water tanks might not be as needed on future rigs allowing you to stay out longer without resupplying shower water..
You said that you would not want a cassette toilet, but what about a composting toilet? The nice thing about something like a sportsmobile is that a retrofit of a composting toilet is going to be much easier than in a commercial RV. Black tanks aren’t much fun either, and composting toilets do a very nice job of avoiding the need for this. Personally, I’m looking forward to the day when incinerating toilets become more widely available - will pretty much solve all of the issues.
Great video and insight after your class B experience. We like the idea of paring down what you really need to "camp" in a class B van, even though the Ascent really well thought out as far as conveniences. One of the reasons I purchased our van is to have a mobile Plan B option to live in if a disaster occurs. Living in California makes you aware of different scenarios that would cause one to need temporary shelter. Thanks again for your thoughtful ideas and videos.
Love your channel and you always have great advice and tips. I’m going to the RV show today so this was perfect timing for me. Thanks for sharing all your great tips. I’m hoping to go to Alaska next year and am watching your videos repeatedly and taking notes about your trip. Hope to meet you guys someday at a meet up or van festival. 🚐
Thanks again and it’s all about trade offs and your personal preferences just leaving Las Vegas dropping Brandi at the airport. Had good times in Mammoth, Lone Pine, and surprisingly good time in Death Valley and camping in Furnace Creek. 8650 miles so far, another 4,000 to go. Heading to Bullhead City next to visit my brother.
Generally good steps even more broadly to Class Cs at least. Travel style is a Huge determinant as you mention. I am not sure about the selection bias you mention. It is amazing how many people buy 2-3 RVs within their first couple of years and if you follow RV forums you may think that everyone hates their rigs when they are just troubleshooting the inevitable problems. Take them with a grain of salt. Renting first is a great suggestion. We rented two RVs before we decided- one gas and one diesel. RVShares is a great resource for this. We are still happy with our purchase decision after 2-1/2 years but wish we had insisted on a tankless water heater (I knew better). One other step to consider is whether to buy New or Used both in terms of depreciation and working out the kinks vs. use, maintenance, and storage by previous owners.
Excellent discussion and advice. John and Debbie, many thanks for making the effort to share such sage advice to those of us in the process of deciding on a rig. As this will be a significant investment and we'd like to get it as close to "right" as possible the first time. Really appreciate you spending the time to provide these points. Happy travels...Dave
Thanks for the Video..I like your “bias” comment! Someone once asked me if I liked a recent thing that I had purchased,and I answered by saying “do you think I am going to tell you that I made a $7000 mistake!?
Great video, especially for those still considering the best RV to get. We've been looking at all your points, and you are so right that you need to consider your own mindset... your families needs (including pets) are what really drive the decision making process more than anything else. Although we would only get a Class B, I can see where Class A and Class C RV's would be the choice of many. Our needs and wants are different from someone else's! Regarding diesel, regrettably, B20 biodiesel has become the rule in Illinois, and 15 other states are mandating high biofuel content (Colorado is 20%, Massachusetts 15%, Minnesota B20 to B100, Missouri B20, etc.). Older diesel engines are apparently doing well with biofuels, but newer engines not so much. Not sure why though. Still researching that. As per Mercedes Sprinter Manual, "Continuous use of fuels with bio-diesel content over 5% (B20 fuels) can lead to fuel filter clogging." Mercedes is saying to "Fill up with fuels with biodiesel content of 5% (ULSD) or less, whenever possible". This is unfortunate, as we were really interested in the Ascent. I'm sure at some point, Mercedes will find a way to fix this issue, but until then, well... no diesel for us.
Thanks for the biodiesel info. It is really hard to get a list of the states and which fuels they are mandating. We are very careful to check before filling up.
@@FromShetoMe Just posted a video on biodiesel. You inspired me to do it, so I mentioned you. Hope that is okay. It has the links where I've been doing my research, if anyone is interested. th-cam.com/video/wHZAbb7Re9U/w-d-xo.html
Hey guys, I really enjoy your videos, so educational and inspiring! Debbie you are a champ at this. One question about your time spent with Dean, any news about Mercedes gas engine vehicle? I'm so interested in pleasure's Ascent but waiting on the gasoline models. Thanks.
Another informative and very helpful video. I hope you were able to get some of your ideas to the CEO while visiting the PW's at the show. Some times it the little things that can make a big difference, and if PW paid attention to what owners are doing AFTER they buy, people like yourself wouldn't have to make alterations to a new vehicle.
Got all my questions answered and learned what keeps them from some of the upgrades. In brief, they are curtailed by the “Master upfitter” rules. We’ll probably take a factory tour next summer and discuss this more at that time.
I haven't driven the Lexor so I have no opinion on the chassis but I love the layout with larger bathroom. Have you considered their new model on the Ford chassis?
I bought the 24 foot Sprinter w/ dualies and sort of regret that because of navigating-in and of cities....anyway Thanks again for the videos, I’ve enjoyed each and every one.
From She to Me : Hi, “ not sure about the term smoother, however I would describe having dualies in the rear of the 24 foot van as enhancing the stability of the van. A good example is cross winds or passing big rigs on two lane roads. There is still more rocking entering and exiting driveways that can be minimized with a tweek of the front and rear suspension. No flat tires yet, and also no on radical dirt roads; ground clearances are not that great.
Can I used why you bought a Class B over a Class C ? We bought a new 25ft Travel Trailer last year and thinking about moving to a Class B or Class C in a couple of years. We’ve been camping for 26 years. Started in tents, then pop up, 23 ft travel trailer, now 25 ft with a slide out. I’ve heard insurance on a Class C is very pricey. I see the advantages of both Class B and C.
Our short Class B is perfect for us. We can park it in a normal size space, it carries everything we need, our HOA allows us to park it on our driveway, it is our 2nd vehicle so we can use it if one of us has the car, it retains its value better. Hardest part is figuring out that you don't need all that "stuff" you might take in a larger vehicle. It really depends on your needs and how you want to use your vehicle.
well done! i was surprised to learn California defines RVs as anything with a sink. Am glad Virginia has no such rule. We are able to park our class B outside our townhouse due to its being classified as a (converted) van.
CA is always a trend setter and for campervans the same is true for having an abundance of vans being used as permanent homes. I wish there was a win-win solution but there is not at the moment.
@@FromShetoMe Not sure where I saw it or if it applies to the Ascent, but someone else complained about this and was told to look in the settings (not sure which settings). There is supposed to be a way to aim the camera outward rather than downward.
@@novembers We looked into it but apparently there is no way of adjusting the lens. I forgot to find out if the new Mercedes chassis has a better camera.
@@FromShetoMe Hi Debbie: We are getting ready to view a 2020 Ascent tomorrow morning. Off hand, is there anything in particular that you would tell me to "make sure I find out about ... " other than the general things Neil tells us to watch out for.
@@novembers Are you buying from the same person who will service the rig? I would ask about their service technicians, how long it takes to get things handled, ask for specifics on how you will handle warranty issues with the components. Where do they suggest you take it for work needed on the Mercedes side of things. You also need to be sure you understand that you are getting a 2020 Ascent built on a 2019 Mercedes Chassis. Check out the reputation of the company who is selling/servicing. When you buy they will do the typical walk through but you won't remember half of it. Ask who you can call when you are on the road and can't figure out how something works. Good luck!
Great info on this video. I’ve recently subscribed and really like the Pleasure Way Ascent. Will be looking to purchase an RV when the coronavirus gets a vaccine and hope to travel North America geocaching, my hobby. So probably on the road a lot more by myself. I’m 5’4, is there a way to keep the lounge and not make the bed each day? Just your thoughts. I like sitting back there too with all those windows. I wonder what the costs to store the RV runs in CA?
I've used the van alone and when I do, I just lower the sofa part and sleep side to side (I'm 5'6"). It's perfect for one person. All you would need is a twin fitted sheet. We don't have to store our rig but I've heard prices run the gamut, depending on location.
Great video! We’re renting a Pleasure Way RV I found on Outdoorsy.com in Tucson in November. This is a great way to try out rigs you are interested in.
That's good to know. I didn't think there was anyone in the lower 48 renting out PW vans. BTW, there is a great campground in Tuscon called Gilbert Ray. They even have electric hookups (but no showers). And it is just a few miles from the "Living Desert Museum."
From She to Me We’re going to try to Stay at Gilbert Ray for 2 nights. It sounds really nice. We’re renting a wide body PW so we’ll have a nice shower! I want to rent a Plateau TS on the Mercedes chassis and found one in Ontario, one in Colorado, and one in South Carolina.
Cathy Krawczyk Also check out Rvshare.com. In order to find a Pleasure model for rent, I did a google search for “outdoorsy Pleasure way” and “rvshare Pleasure Way” to find brand specific models available for rent. Luckily, Tucson is a place I want to visit so this worked out great.
Agile Offroad. Here is a link to the video I did on it: studio.th-cam.com/users/videot02VmbD8LxI/edit. We did that plus 5 new larger/aggressive tires. Total was $5400. The suspension alone was $3800.
I am within weeks of buying a class b and am only concerned about storage. I need to carry bikes, backpacks, maybe a few camp chairs and a small grill. Do you have thoughts on this? Maybe an aluminess bumper/bike rack? I love the build quality of the pleasure ways. Thanks!
Yes, if you can afford the aluminess products then that is a good solution. Also consider how heavy your bike is and whether you will be able to lift it on top of the box (which I think is where it is carried). If you are traveling solo, then there is plenty of storage IMO. And if you are getting a Mercedes chassis, then the cab shelf should help tremendously.
From She to Me thanks so much and yes im getting the ascent! Ill be soloing most of the time and completely forgot about the cab shelf. That may solve most of the storage issue. The bikes can go on a hitch rack! Now to find the van! They’re hard to find! Thanks again! Love the videos!
I'm not an expert but I think it is exiting that they are now building on the Ford chassis and I love that it has a compressor refrigerator rather than absorption. They built a bunch of these for Canadreams, the rental outfit, so they must have gotten some good feedback from that experience. PW has the same build quality throughout their line.
From She to Me Good point! We live in an HOA and will need to look into that. We live in Illinois and like Minnesota we have biodiesel. Don’t know if we can even get regular diesel in the entire state. Planning on a move to Oregon in about 5 years and may have to hold off on a PW purchase until then.
Yes, I really liked the Lexor bathroom and the fridge is much larger. But the one they build now on the Ford chassis has a compressor style fridge which would definitely be interesting to me.
Totally agree as I like the bathroom with the residential style sink and the silver bowl. I too would be full-time and the larger refrigerator was appealing to me. However, it was the extra living room space with the Front Lounge is very attractive as I plan to travel alone most of the time, but when I do invite friends and family members I like the extra living area.
@@robertpumphrey5122 And if you are going full time, then it might be easier to find folks who can work on the Ram chassis. Best wishes for your grand adventure.
were you able to persuade the prez to bring you on as a consultant? If not his loss. And all that rational bias stuff you started with has a technical term - it's called fibbing :-)
Well, I'm not looking for work but more than happy to share my thoughts and they were good listeners. He and his staff were quite generous with their time. I learned that lots of things they can't do because of the "Master Upfitter" designation. Hope to learn more when we tour their factory in the future.
@@Ahrobak Well, the short answer is that Mercedes has some pretty stiff rules on what they can and can't do to the vehicle and then there are also plumbing and electrical codes that are quite stringent.
Cognitive residence I think is what you were thinking of about people saying positive things to themselves about their purchases. You mention that it is “this 11,000 pound beast” but are you sure that it weighs that much? I thought the maximum weight capacity was 8500 pounds.
PW gets it from Mercedes at around 8500 lbs then adds their components which weigh approximately 1400 lbs. That leaves 1125 for humans/water/gear for a grand total of 11,030.
From She to Me So mine has a maximum gross weight all in fuel and DEF and passengers and clothing and everything at 8500 pounds. Maybe yours is different but you might want to be sure, just to be safe, by checking inside the drivers door and the sticker.
@@rvboondocker2559 Do you have a 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder? Ours is 6. According to Mercedes the GVWR varies between 8550 and 12,120 depending on your model. The 11,030 number mentioned came from Grant at PW.
From She to Me gcvr and gvwr are what I’m worried that you may confusing but if you have 6 wheels and not 4 than you’re likely correct. If you have a 19’ with 4 wheels you are in grave danger over 8550. Just don’t want you to get injured. It’s clearly marked on the left side of the drivers seat under the skirt.
I’ll have to find an expert to decipher all the numbers and acronyms I have heard/ read on the weight of these beasts. Maybe when I visit the PW factory.
Number 1 should be a tie between can you sleep and drive the vehicle. Everyone spends many hours a night in bed and many miles driving. If either one of these is a no , then go find the one that fits. Love Bolsa Chica . Love the video.
When I first read the title of this vid, I thought c'mon it's common sense...BUT the more I watched and listened, you made some very important and insightful points; you have good experience! Glad I kept an open mind and watched through. You do good videos and thanks for sharing :)
Thanks!
I am liking your videos more and more. This is excellent advice. Especially the partner compatibility that you mentioned at the outset. My wife likes 4 diamond hotels when we travel, so that I plan to go it alone. After all, why travel with someone who is not equally enjoying the experience. I might have missed it but Neil also points out that if you plan to use the RV for four seasons, check that the pipes carrying liquids are inside the vehicle to avoid freezing and pipe bursts. From what I have seen in your videos, you tend to follow the milder weather. Like you, Neil loves the Pleasure-Way as being the closest to perfection. I only wish that the RV makers would produce a vehicle for two like those in Europe and Japan. These are more affordable for us average folks and can fit in any garage or parking structure. I simply do not have $150,000 to spare, but could manage a small RV in the $60-70,000 range. The problem with purchasing a used vehicle is that you really do not know the history of that vehicle as to how it was used and what problems it has that led to someone wanting to get rid of it. I have had a few friends who purchased used nightmares and spent more on fixing things than the cost of the RV.
One thing that you did not mention. As I walk my dog through my neighborhood I see over 50 RVs that have been sitting in place for over 2 years. People often purchase the dream RV then travel a few times and then park the thing in their yards. Also there are many RV bone yards (storage) around here that never seem to change as to inventory. Best thing to do is to rent an RV a few times and see if you are going to really like being on the road.
I have said enough, probably too much, so thanks again for the video and I hope that the viewers heed your advice. Thumbs up, already subbed!
All excellent points! Europe has many better options and their styling is way ahead of our "stuck in the '80's" look. I think the only used RV I would consider is the PW. We were surprised at the rally to see so many rigs over 10 years old. I've never seen any PW rentals in the lower 48 so I encourage folks to fly up to Canada and rent a PW from Canadreams. Good luck with your search!
Was just informed by a viewer that you can rent a PW from outdoorsy.com in Tuscon.
@@FromShetoMe Thanks...but I am in Las Vegas.
@@H.pylori That's like next door. A cheap flight away and lots of great things to do near Tuscon. ;-))
Buy a new or lightly used promaster and DIY! (Much easier to diy a van to accommodate 1 person vs 2+)
We love everything about your Class B except the bed. I want a separate couch and table. I am an early riser. I sit at the breakfast table while my husband stays later. Your bed looks difficult to make. Even the lady at the meet up had words that said how easy it was. But her body language and sounds said making the bed was so hard. It’s great and I loved how sturdy it was and the camper easily navigated McCarthy Road.
I think it is the nature of all Class Bs (unless it is custom made). The B+ looks like it would be easier and certainly gives some separation for those with different sleep schedules.
Love the big windows in your van. Still dreaming about the day I can buy one and get on the road. Great information! Thanks for doing the videos.
Hello, but you are covering just about everything, great info, my wife can NOT understand , why anyone would live on the road,, if I ever get one, it will be for me, but my physical body had had it, I’ll be seeing my arthro MD, as my Rt arm has real problems, in that I rest it on my thigh, when driving. Now 78, driven 1.35 million miles, retired in 2003. Cheers from Nj🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I don't know if you follow "Gone with the Wynns" but their latest episode was an interview with their mom who had recently moved into a B+. OMG, 1.35 million miles!
From She to Me my trade was REFRIGERATION & air conditioning, , A company that I. Worked at twice , was a NY, CO, but I worked for them in NJ, mostly , every 8 weeks or so, you worked the week, but on FRIDAY you picked up night service then called in about 1 pm , picked up again but there was 1 store 75 miles away , you could go there EVERY NIGHT , the power company was doing work a few miles away, so they lost power , 5 fuses,reset ALL the computers for energy management , get them going , anyhow it was nothing to do 1500miles in a week , they wore out vehicles, as did I, my 1991 FORD TAURUS went 430 k, #5 cylinder had low compression , , take care& it will serve you well, Cheers From NJ🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Nice job ! You covered everything that really matters. FYI- Have a pleasure-Way , wanted to state how Bathroom for us was big , so we purchased a B+. The extra (wide) concerned us at 1st , however it's turned to be a winner for us and the extra size driving has not become an issue at all. When I was thinking about the bathroom, I turned to the fact I have many bathrooms in my current home and realized this would be hard to give up when traveling. Also think about a lightly used RV, we purchased ours with 15K miles (2014), now has 26K and very happy with the quality of the PW. Nothing has caused a problem, in many cases it was us not understanding how to use the item when we did have a problem ( NB-learning curved). BTW- our Regfr. works great we have a 2 way (Domatic) , when it's parked on our drive-way we keep the RV plugged into electric all the time. We have the RV two years and everything still working great, even the batteries remain at full charge (AGM). Once retired should we upgrade to another unit, we will only look at quality units. In-addition we found many people purchase a new RV hoping they will like this type of travel and quickly determine it's not for them, so deals can be had. Enjoyed watching, thank you !
Thanks. You confirm again that a used PW is a good way to go.
Great overview Debbie & John. For people looking into buying a new self contained RV. They may want to check out the European ones and import one if they want a 4 season RV that's more insulated and built just like the Mercedes chassis is. Also I'd consider the drawer type freezers or frig. due to quality and they are used in Marine applications. Anything marine quality will be 10 times better than just RV quality, due to the same shaking & pounding effect of wave action. Minimize is key to being happy with RV life. Not stuffed to the brim is a great feeling. Pack less, and buy as you go if needed. Sometimes that's more fun also.
Good advice!
Well structured and organized, hints of psychology and managerial skills, very didactic. Thank you.
Wow I would like to have you come with me to buy my first class B RV. Lots of good info that I would never have thought of, thanks.
Remember, no RV is perfect.
Don't know if you've seen 'Gone boondocking" you tube channel , but he's devised a way to recirculate shower water through 1-2 filters so you can continually shower with under one gallon of water (not navy showers but continual flow) constantly filtering the water you are showing in (even soapy water). It's interesting and can even be done for RV's like yours with tanks or outdoor van dwellers for about $100 bucks or so in modifications. So large water tanks might not be as needed on future rigs allowing you to stay out longer without resupplying shower water..
Interesting. I'll check it out. Although I recently read an article about how we shower too often. ;-))
You said that you would not want a cassette toilet, but what about a composting toilet? The nice thing about something like a sportsmobile is that a retrofit of a composting toilet is going to be much easier than in a commercial RV. Black tanks aren’t much fun either, and composting toilets do a very nice job of avoiding the need for this. Personally, I’m looking forward to the day when incinerating toilets become more widely available - will pretty much solve all of the issues.
Yes, a composting toilet option would be great.
Great video and insight after your class B experience. We like the idea of paring down what you really need to "camp" in a class B van, even though the Ascent really well thought out as far as conveniences. One of the reasons I purchased our van is to have a mobile Plan B option to live in if a disaster occurs. Living in California makes you aware of different scenarios that would cause one to need temporary shelter. Thanks again for your thoughtful ideas and videos.
I was just thinking about that. Yes, after a big quake it might feel a little safer to sleep in the van for a few days.
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT. Important things to consider before investing such a large amount of money.
This information is great timing for me!
great video! I believe Winnebago is using quiet AC in the Boldt
Good to know. And apparently George at Humble Road is in the process of changing out his AC in his rig.
Nice video.
Love your channel and you always have great advice and tips. I’m going to the RV show today so this was perfect timing for me. Thanks for sharing all your great tips. I’m hoping to go to Alaska next year and am watching your videos repeatedly and taking notes about your trip. Hope to meet you guys someday at a meet up or van festival. 🚐
Excellent. Hope the wind has died down. Feel free to email me if you have any questions about Alaska or anything else.
From She to Me thanks so much. I likely will.
Thanks again and it’s all about trade offs and your personal preferences just leaving Las Vegas dropping Brandi at the airport. Had good times in Mammoth, Lone Pine, and surprisingly good time in Death Valley and camping in Furnace Creek. 8650 miles so far, another 4,000 to go. Heading to Bullhead City next to visit my brother.
Generally good steps even more broadly to Class Cs at least. Travel style is a Huge determinant as you mention. I am not sure about the selection bias you mention. It is amazing how many people buy 2-3 RVs within their first couple of years and if you follow RV forums you may think that everyone hates their rigs when they are just troubleshooting the inevitable problems. Take them with a grain of salt. Renting first is a great suggestion. We rented two RVs before we decided- one gas and one diesel. RVShares is a great resource for this.
We are still happy with our purchase decision after 2-1/2 years but wish we had insisted on a tankless water heater (I knew better).
One other step to consider is whether to buy New or Used both in terms of depreciation and working out the kinks vs. use, maintenance, and storage by previous owners.
Thanks for your excellent advice.
Excellent discussion and advice. John and Debbie, many thanks for making the effort to share such sage advice to those of us in the process of deciding on a rig. As this will be a significant investment and we'd like to get it as close to "right" as possible the first time. Really appreciate you spending the time to provide these points. Happy travels...Dave
Very detailed video, thanks for sharing.
Excellent advice! Thank you!
Excellent advise ... which led us to buying a preowned 5th wheel! Can't wait for you to see it.... :)
Let me know when you leave for AZ.
Thanks for the Video..I like your “bias” comment! Someone once asked me if I liked a recent thing that I had purchased,and I answered by saying “do you think I am going to tell you that I made a $7000 mistake!?
Another great and helpful video! You guys are a good team.
Great video, especially for those still considering the best RV to get. We've been looking at all your points, and you are so right that you need to consider your own mindset... your families needs (including pets) are what really drive the decision making process more than anything else. Although we would only get a Class B, I can see where Class A and Class C RV's would be the choice of many. Our needs and wants are different from someone else's!
Regarding diesel, regrettably, B20 biodiesel has become the rule in Illinois, and 15 other states are mandating high biofuel content (Colorado is 20%, Massachusetts 15%, Minnesota B20 to B100, Missouri B20, etc.).
Older diesel engines are apparently doing well with biofuels, but newer engines not so much. Not sure why though. Still researching that.
As per Mercedes Sprinter Manual, "Continuous use of fuels with bio-diesel content over 5% (B20 fuels) can lead to fuel filter clogging." Mercedes is saying to "Fill up with fuels with biodiesel content of 5% (ULSD) or less, whenever possible".
This is unfortunate, as we were really interested in the Ascent. I'm sure at some point, Mercedes will find a way to fix this issue, but until then, well... no diesel for us.
Thanks for the biodiesel info. It is really hard to get a list of the states and which fuels they are mandating. We are very careful to check before filling up.
@@FromShetoMe Just posted a video on biodiesel. You inspired me to do it, so I mentioned you. Hope that is okay. It has the links where I've been doing my research, if anyone is interested.
th-cam.com/video/wHZAbb7Re9U/w-d-xo.html
Absolutely OK, thanks!
Hey guys, I really enjoy your videos, so educational and inspiring! Debbie you are a champ at this. One question about your time spent with Dean, any news about Mercedes gas engine vehicle? I'm so interested in pleasure's Ascent but waiting on the gasoline models. Thanks.
No, sorry, I didn't ask him. However, I seem to recall a video on that subject over at Neil's channel, Ultramobility.
Another informative and very helpful video. I hope you were able to get some of your ideas to the CEO while visiting the PW's at the show. Some times it the little things that can make a big difference, and if PW paid attention to what owners are doing AFTER they buy, people like yourself wouldn't have to make alterations to a new vehicle.
Got all my questions answered and learned what keeps them from some of the upgrades. In brief, they are curtailed by the “Master upfitter” rules. We’ll probably take a factory tour next summer and discuss this more at that time.
We are looking at the Lexor or the Ascent love both of them. Sorta of leaning towards the gas vehicle, just because we haven’t owned a diesel vehicle.
I haven't driven the Lexor so I have no opinion on the chassis but I love the layout with larger bathroom. Have you considered their new model on the Ford chassis?
I would like to see the models on the ford, but there aren’t any around our area yet. A lot of new exciting things coming out in 2020.😃
I bought the 24 foot Sprinter w/ dualies and sort of regret that because of navigating-in and of cities....anyway Thanks again for the videos, I’ve enjoyed each and every one.
Thanks Alex. I'm curious about whether dualies make the ride smoother. Do you take it on dirt roads? Have you ever had to deal with a flat tire?
From She to Me : Hi, “ not sure about the term smoother, however I would describe having dualies in the rear of the 24 foot van as enhancing the stability of the van. A good example is cross winds or passing big rigs on two lane roads. There is still more rocking entering and exiting driveways that can be minimized with a tweek of the front and rear suspension. No flat tires yet, and also no on radical dirt roads; ground clearances are not that great.
alex harris curb cuts are the worst. Especially for the passenger.
From She to Me ....and dishes too!
Can I used why you bought a Class B over a Class C ? We bought a new 25ft Travel Trailer last year and thinking about moving to a Class B or Class C in a couple of years. We’ve been camping for 26 years. Started in tents, then pop up, 23 ft travel trailer, now 25 ft with a slide out. I’ve heard insurance on a Class C is very pricey. I see the advantages of both Class B and C.
Our short Class B is perfect for us. We can park it in a normal size space, it carries everything we need, our HOA allows us to park it on our driveway, it is our 2nd vehicle so we can use it if one of us has the car, it retains its value better. Hardest part is figuring out that you don't need all that "stuff" you might take in a larger vehicle. It really depends on your needs and how you want to use your vehicle.
well done! i was surprised to learn California defines RVs as anything with a sink. Am glad Virginia has no such rule. We are able to park our class B outside our townhouse due to its being classified as a (converted) van.
Lucky you. We can't even park ours on any city street day or night.
CA is always a trend setter and for campervans the same is true for having an abundance of vans being used as permanent homes. I wish there was a win-win solution but there is not at the moment.
@@anthonycbrown1952 So true!
Great information. Thankyou. I’m so wanting to get a class b. Oh why do you not like the backup camera?
It points straight down. Resolution is weak.
@@FromShetoMe Not sure where I saw it or if it applies to the Ascent, but someone else complained about this and was told to look in the settings (not sure which settings). There is supposed to be a way to aim the camera outward rather than downward.
@@novembers We looked into it but apparently there is no way of adjusting the lens. I forgot to find out if the new Mercedes chassis has a better camera.
@@FromShetoMe Hi Debbie: We are getting ready to view a 2020 Ascent tomorrow morning. Off hand, is there anything in particular that you would tell me to "make sure I find out about ... " other than the general things Neil tells us to watch out for.
@@novembers Are you buying from the same person who will service the rig? I would ask about their service technicians, how long it takes to get things handled, ask for specifics on how you will handle warranty issues with the components. Where do they suggest you take it for work needed on the Mercedes side of things. You also need to be sure you understand that you are getting a 2020 Ascent built on a 2019 Mercedes Chassis. Check out the reputation of the company who is selling/servicing. When you buy they will do the typical walk through but you won't remember half of it. Ask who you can call when you are on the road and can't figure out how something works. Good luck!
Great info on this video. I’ve recently subscribed and really like the Pleasure Way Ascent. Will be looking to purchase an RV when the coronavirus gets a vaccine and hope to travel North America geocaching, my hobby. So probably on the road a lot more by myself. I’m 5’4, is there a way to keep the lounge and not make the bed each day? Just your thoughts. I like sitting back there too with all those windows. I wonder what the costs to store the RV runs in CA?
I've used the van alone and when I do, I just lower the sofa part and sleep side to side (I'm 5'6"). It's perfect for one person. All you would need is a twin fitted sheet. We don't have to store our rig but I've heard prices run the gamut, depending on location.
Hi debbie and John
How is the george build coming along
Hopefully July pick up.
Still deciding on gas or diesel.
Pros and cons to both. Our next rig will be gas.
Great video! We’re renting a Pleasure Way RV I found on Outdoorsy.com in Tucson in November. This is a great way to try out rigs you are interested in.
That's good to know. I didn't think there was anyone in the lower 48 renting out PW vans. BTW, there is a great campground in Tuscon called Gilbert Ray. They even have electric hookups (but no showers). And it is just a few miles from the "Living Desert Museum."
From She to Me We’re going to try to Stay at Gilbert Ray for 2 nights. It sounds really nice. We’re renting a wide body PW so we’ll have a nice shower! I want to rent a Plateau TS on the Mercedes chassis and found one in Ontario, one in Colorado, and one in South Carolina.
@@joycem2795 Try to get there early (before noon). I don't think they take reservations but there are lots of spots.
Cathy Krawczyk Also check out Rvshare.com. In order to find a Pleasure model for rent, I did a google search for “outdoorsy Pleasure way” and “rvshare Pleasure Way” to find brand specific models available for rent. Luckily, Tucson is a place I want to visit so this worked out great.
Enjoyed the video and the good advise. I am curious what brand name after-market suspension system and how much to install? Thanks.
Agile Offroad. Here is a link to the video I did on it: studio.th-cam.com/users/videot02VmbD8LxI/edit. We did that plus 5 new larger/aggressive tires. Total was $5400. The suspension alone was $3800.
Thanks so very much and will watch
Super helpful, thanks! Ive decided against a full on 4x4 but do want an upgraded suspension and tires! Seems most people are using agile!
I am within weeks of buying a class b and am only concerned about storage. I need to carry bikes, backpacks, maybe a few camp chairs and a small grill. Do you have thoughts on this? Maybe an aluminess bumper/bike rack? I love the build quality of the pleasure ways. Thanks!
Yes, if you can afford the aluminess products then that is a good solution. Also consider how heavy your bike is and whether you will be able to lift it on top of the box (which I think is where it is carried). If you are traveling solo, then there is plenty of storage IMO. And if you are getting a Mercedes chassis, then the cab shelf should help tremendously.
From She to Me thanks so much and yes im getting the ascent! Ill be soloing most of the time and completely forgot about the cab shelf. That may solve most of the storage issue. The bikes can go on a hitch rack! Now to find the van! They’re hard to find! Thanks again! Love the videos!
Thanks for the words of advice. Where do you get the info about RV Shows all over the country??
Good question. I’ll see if I can find a source. We typically hear a commercial on the radio.
@@FromShetoMe I would also like to know this
Here is a source: rvmiles.com/upcoming-rv-shows/
What did you think of the Ontour 2.2?
I'm not an expert but I think it is exiting that they are now building on the Ford chassis and I love that it has a compressor refrigerator rather than absorption. They built a bunch of these for Canadreams, the rental outfit, so they must have gotten some good feedback from that experience. PW has the same build quality throughout their line.
From She to Me I heard the interior height was pretty tall and thought it would work for John.
@@joycem2795 I think the B+ models are taller but our HOA would not have allowed us to park it on our driveway.
From She to Me Good point! We live in an HOA and will need to look into that. We live in Illinois and like Minnesota we have biodiesel. Don’t know if we can even get regular diesel in the entire state. Planning on a move to Oregon in about 5 years and may have to hold off on a PW purchase until then.
@@joycem2795 Oh yes, do hold off because you'll save a TON of money in not having to pay sales tax on the vehicle!
Other than the driver's seat not able to fit Jon if it had would you have considered the LEXOR TS or FL model as I am looking at the Lexor FL?
Yes, I really liked the Lexor bathroom and the fridge is much larger. But the one they build now on the Ford chassis has a compressor style fridge which would definitely be interesting to me.
Totally agree as I like the bathroom with the residential style sink and the silver bowl. I too would be full-time and the larger refrigerator was appealing to me. However, it was the extra living room space with the Front Lounge is very attractive as I plan to travel alone most of the time, but when I do invite friends and family members I like the extra living area.
@@robertpumphrey5122 And if you are going full time, then it might be easier to find folks who can work on the Ram chassis. Best wishes for your grand adventure.
Totally agree and that was one of the main reasons I went with the Pro Master engine.
Oh John Looks happy taking an imaginary crap
were you able to persuade the prez to bring you on as a consultant? If not his loss. And all that rational bias stuff you started with
has a technical term - it's called fibbing :-)
Well, I'm not looking for work but more than happy to share my thoughts and they were good listeners. He and his staff were quite generous with their time. I learned that lots of things they can't do because of the "Master Upfitter" designation. Hope to learn more when we tour their factory in the future.
@@FromShetoMe Heavens no to the work thing, I wrote consult :-) I'll have to google "master upfitter" unfamiliar with that term.
@@Ahrobak Well, the short answer is that Mercedes has some pretty stiff rules on what they can and can't do to the vehicle and then there are also plumbing and electrical codes that are quite stringent.
@@FromShetoMe got it, thank you.
Cognitive residence I think is what you were thinking of about people saying positive things to themselves about their purchases. You mention that it is “this 11,000 pound beast” but are you sure that it weighs that much? I thought the maximum weight capacity was 8500 pounds.
PW gets it from Mercedes at around 8500 lbs then adds their components which weigh approximately 1400 lbs. That leaves 1125 for humans/water/gear for a grand total of 11,030.
From She to Me So mine has a maximum gross weight all in fuel and DEF and passengers and clothing and everything at 8500 pounds. Maybe yours is different but you might want to be sure, just to be safe, by checking inside the drivers door and the sticker.
@@rvboondocker2559 Do you have a 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder? Ours is 6. According to Mercedes the GVWR varies between 8550 and 12,120 depending on your model. The 11,030 number mentioned came from Grant at PW.
From She to Me gcvr and gvwr are what I’m worried that you may confusing but if you have 6 wheels and not 4 than you’re likely correct. If you have a 19’ with 4 wheels you are in grave danger over 8550. Just don’t want you to get injured. It’s clearly marked on the left side of the drivers seat under the skirt.
I’ll have to find an expert to decipher all the numbers and acronyms I have heard/ read on the weight of these beasts. Maybe when I visit the PW factory.