Pentax 67 vs Pentax 67ii | Which should YOU buy?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2019
- If you're looking to buy a medium format film camera, you're likely going to come across the Pentax 6x7 and the various models of it. Which model is right for you? I recently sat down with my good friend, Matt Seal, and we talked all about the different versions, what the main differences are, and what to look out for. Hope you guys enjoy it!
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Will everyone please stop talking about the Pentax 6x7 system.
YOU ARE ALL DRIVING THE PRICES UP AND I DON'T OWN ONE YET
I've heard it's a vastly overrated and a terrible system and nobody from now on shall buy or sell one for over £100....
@@blurredandhazy nope it's like cheating
I feel your pain.
I own one. Every time these videos get posted I just smile and think about that resell value
Glad I have one
I like this ‘A Conversation with Matt Day’ style format.
I was having a beer at home alone and thought id just join these boys... 4 years later
Can I afford either of these cameras? - No
Am I still going to watch this entire video? - oh yes
FACTS haha
My beater 6x7 non mlu with the 105 2.4 early version is hands down my favorite camera I own. Cameras missing half its paint, all the frame spacing is out of whack but every time i get the negatives back I'm blown away.
Hats off, guys. Nicely covered points in this convo.
-- *Battery* for the 67ii is a CR123A lithium. They aren't super cheap but they're not too bad if bought in bulk and they last a very long time in this camera since it has no motordrive or anything taxing like that.
-- *Magnification* in the standard metered 67ii viewfinder is less than in the 67 but it is definitely brighter. Both have 90% coverage. In my 67 I use the non-metered which is even better (mag/coverage/brightness) and it's considerably lighter.
-- *Repair* - That's the kicker of the 67ii and its electronics dependence. There's a strong chance you could have a giant brick someday. The number of techs willing to work on these get fewer every year, while the older 67 and 6x7 models are much simpler to repair (though film transport can be an issue for both).
Nice to hear/see a video that genuinely and methodically goes through the pros and cons of each of these without just overtly saying "get the 67ii it's awesome!", often without really spending a lot of time with both. There's plenty to take into consideration, particularly with prices the way they are for both these days. *Nice work y'all.*
Full disclosure I've been shooting the 67 with non-metered prism or WLF and a right-hand grip for about 6 years, and the 67ii I've shot for a little over 2 years. (I held off an extra 2 years on the 67ii after I added a right-hand grip to my 67 - made a world of difference). I use them each very differently. Most folks would be served just fine with an older model, just like they mention in this great video. If I'm honest, I actually would hang onto the 67 over the 67ii because of the repair issues, but I'm one that actually likes the feel of the 67 a bit more.
Matt - dunno why I never thought of gaffing the MUP switch. I'm doing that today. I've flipped that thing too many damn times over the years and my finger just never completely learns. Nice one!
Good old content. I just bought one of these and watching all of the Pentax 6x7 vids to get a feel for it!
There's something really beautiful about the older version Pentax 67. The camera has the appearance of being transported from an older era as if through a time machine. They just won't and cannot make cameras like this anymore. The curves, the shiny black paint, the mechanical feeling, and the unmistakable retro look really stirs forgotten nostalgia of the bygone film days.
Great video! I love the format. Comparison vids are not very common but I know everyone wants to know the differences in film cameras. Keep it up and make this a new segment of your channel!
Totally enjoyed this hang!
Wowowow. I really was looking for this! 🙏🏻
Thanks for the discussion. I found it very useful to understand the differences. The 67 is definitely on the wish list now. The 67ii looks fantastic but so expensive.
I love watching you youngsters loving a camera that I bought new, and used commercially since the 90's...try the EDIF tele's...they're a riot but you need a donkey to haul them around. Keep medium format film alive!!!
Five. Leica, Voigtlander, Pentax, Nikon's.
The Pentax 67 is the best one. The 67 one not the 6x7 not the 6x7 MLU. The 67! It’s the most sturdiest and resilient. Pentax 67II has too much of electronics , good luck to get it fixed right now. You basically spend 3500-6500$ on Pentax 67II and when it’s broken it’s broken , there aren’t many repairmen who can fix it. This is why Pentax 67 is just the winner. There are 67 with modifications double exposure and bulb mode not using the battery. But the Pentax 6x7 mlu and non mlu are also just as great !
20:14 NOOOoooooo!!!
you should't take the prism off of the body with the lens attached it will (can) mess up the meter chain.
the prism goes on first, then lens. and reverse for disassembly, lens off, then prism...
FYI.
Also, thanks for this channel, and choice of content.
I think Matt knew that and was like WTF
Some urban legend here. First, this rule only applies to the original series of bodies (6x7, 67). It does not apply to the 67II. Second, it only applies to the metering prism, not to the regular prism or other finders. Third, you can remove the metering prism or lens in any order, however you have to mount the metering prism first without a lens, then mount the lens. This allows the linkage between lens aperture control and meter to lock up properly.
Randall Stewart also a bit of urban legendism, when removing the metered prism finder first, the “latch” on the prism end that syncs with the meter chain on the body can pull that meter chain, sometimes with enough force to snap it.
So removing the lens first, “resets” the chain to the idle position where the MPF can be removed and replaced without risk of damaging the MC.
This has only become an issue as these bodies age, and will only get worse in time.
@@randallstewart175 lol no !!! It will break the chain. I know better than anyone , I’m a pentax 67 biggest seller in Europe. I can garantee if you remove the prism from Pentax 6x7 TTL OR Pentax 67 TTL it might snap the chain and break it. Always remove the lens first , then viewfinder. Then our back the viewfinder and then the lens .
Cool. Two guys drinking beer and talking Pentax :-) I had the 6x7 and 67 back in the day and loved the slides I got out of them. Loved the glass too: 75/4.5 (not to be underestimated!), 105/2.4 (my favorite for portraits) and 165/2.8. Had some extension tubes too, which I actually used to shoot closeups of mushrooms in the forest. Yeah, bad idea, lol. Had to laugh when you mentioned the 1/30 synch speed. I remember shooting a street carnival in broad daylight using a Metz 45 flash. Oh my.....My bodies kept breaking down, so I sold everything years ago. Bad decision.
Nice video. I got my first 67 in 92 and it is my go to for landscapes when I don't want to pack the Linhof or Deardorff. I use MLU a lot and mostly shoot chromes. We need more people to shoot film.
Too late, I already bought the 6X7! Love that camera.
The primary reason that the default flash sync is only at 1/30 of a second is due to the huge shutter curtains having to travel a much larger distance than a full frame camera. The leaf shutter lenses can sync up to 1/500 of a second and to those of us who used them they were great. Look into the leaf shutter lenses (90mm and 165mm) and you will much happier.
@Matt Day any chance you could put some info on where you got your 3d printed grip? Great video.
I'm pretty sure the button on the back is not to enable the mirror lock up lever, but it's an exposure lock for when you use aperture priority. When I had the 67ii, I could lock the mirror up with just the lever on the side.
Hey guys thank you for the video. Just a correction though, the ML button is the exposure memory lock button and has nothing to do with mirror lock up. The mirror is locked up in the open position with the shutter cocked and the MLU switch swung upwards. Cheers
dude the brown version is badass!
Thanks for the comparison of one of the best camera systems ever made. I have a 67 and wanted to know what grip you have on yours Matt? Cheers!
Awesome talk! I'd love to shoot that camera
Have been looking to upgrade to a 6x7 camera, think this might be the one.. looking forward to all your videos before the end of the month!
This is gold.. now do the Beer film shoot with a model.. because it would be a classic
Hi Matt great video as always. How does the Pentax 67 compare with Hasselblad 500 for ease of focusing and image quality?
as a Matt, I approve of this collaborative video
Matt Hooker 😂 oh my god this comment
Very cool video!
I stopped using the built in meter not long after I bought my 6x7. Started using a averaging meter then added the Pentax spot meter.
So thanks for convincing me to get one.
Any suggestions on places to get a Pentax 67ii repaired? Either the film lever or the body themselves? They are awesome machines but it's a difficult thing to consider one not knowing any places to get them repaired when the time comes.
Today is a good day!!
Loved that camera when I got into photography at 19. 35 years later I still haven’t got around to buying one 🥴
Remove the lens before the prism otherwise it might damage the small chain in the prism slot on the camera.
Daniel Fjäll dude wtf I follow you on insta. Lol ur famous
I know this video is a few years old, but you can actually double expose using Leaf Shutter lenses on the Pentax 6x7 and 67. I don't have the manual off hand, but IIRC you would basically set the lens's U/S lever to S mode then set set the shutter speed dial between the X setting and the 1/1000th setting. Attach a shutter release cable DIRECTLY into the lens's shutter release port. Compose/Meter your shot, cock the lens and click the body's shutter button. This flips the mirror in the prism up, and CLOSES the leaf shutter FULLY so that nothing gets exposed. Just like a Mirror Lock Up you can't see through the prism, but you can't see through the prism until you are done double/triple exposing. Now you can take a picture by using the shutter release cable. To take a second/third/fourth/etc exposure simply cock the lens and use the shutter release cable again and again. To finish your exposures simply move the shutter speed dial back to X or 1000.
A little long winded but possible nonetheless.
THANK YOU
I like your knowledge of the camera but I was hoping for some demonstration of how it worked and final printy
Very nice video, comprehensive and fun!
Hey Matt, sorry the off topic: When are you going to make a video about the LX, I guarantee It's gonna blow your mind!
I want a digital back for my 6x7! As for preferring what you started with I started with 4"x5, 8"x10" view cameras then went to a 6x6 twin lens reflex then went to Pentax 35mm (now on my 7th and first digital) and finally to the 6x7 about the same time as I got the Pentax LXs Really love the 6x7 for studio and on location portraits/model shoots and/or Boudoir. As for double exposure with the 6x7, I have two leaf shutter lenses that you can use to do double exposures by locking the back shutter open using the lens cap while resetting the leaf shutter between shots but it is not easy.
6x9 FTW!
I paid about $900 for a 6x7 MLU with the 105 2.4 in 2017 and remember thinking I overpaid. I’m thinking I still got a good deal based on the prices now haha
That cartoon cut in.. So good. hahahahaha
I own this camera since 2 years (6x7 Mu) and I love it. But I found it really hard to use with strobe, 1/30s is too bad so I wonder if I will go with a mamyia rz 67, better for studio and better overall use (portrait, studio,landscape even if it's bigger).
Cool camera👍
I don’t really recommend to remove yellowing from a 105mm f/2.4 2nd gen. It will remove that “magic” from radiation. And do not worry , yellow lens don’t make yellow pictures! And to be honest the difference between 105mm f/2.4 and SMC 105mm f/2.4 is very very minimal. Basically doesn’t worth it to upgrade. But if you have money and you like newer Pentax 67 , then yes it’s worth it.
You can do double exposure on PENTAX 6x7 but you need leaf shutter lenses. Or you need a modified Pentax 6x7 which has a switch near the counter 20/10 . Also leaf shutter gives you 1/500 sec...
20:14 don’t do that, removing the viewfinder before the lens will weaken the small chain and mostly break it!!
this video aired on my birthday last year talking about a camera I've always dreamed of maybe by my birthday this year my dreams will come true??
Whoa, I subbed not to long ago because I just got into film. I had no idea you lived in Ohio, haha. I'm in Columbus myself 😁
21:18 magnification :)
Repairs: Getting a 67 body repaired or CLA'd isn't much of a problem these days (still) unless electronic parts for the 67II are required. Pentax has nothing left for 67 parts; I do not know if they still do service work. However, back in the day, Pentax had a string of factory authorized service centers across the US. These were just regular repair shops with a close relationship to Pentax, so many are still in business. The vast quantity of old cameras present a reserve of parts as needed. The 67 bodies are fairly easy to service if you know what you are doing, but I wouldn't consider a DIY project. Lack of service options should not be a significant factor in deciding to buy a 67.
pentax 67II has three signal interfaces，5Psync terminal ，Dedicated flash contacts，X-sync terminal.
When using the flash in the studio, which interface should we choose?
Could you share the link to PC Sync Cord?
Thnaks!
i just picked one up with a shutter issue and cant find a place to send it into. Can you tell me where you had yours repair
there is a special version of the pentax 67 that had a double exposure dial on the right side of the camera
I think theres a warning about taking off the prism on the 67 while the lens is still on, just a heads up
Actually taking the prism *off* with the lens on is not a problem; the risk is if you re-attach the prism with a lens still mounted. If this is done (as it was in the video) then you can potentially break the chain which couples the lens aperture to the meter in the prism.
Only if you use a stupid metered prism. The non metered prism is not a issue.
@@puppetyr You are correct as to the 6x7 and 67 bodies. One of the modifications in the 67II was a design change to avoid this potential problem.
@@randallstewart175 True, my comments were limited to the 6x7 and 67 models.
A more important question: Where do you those OI HO coasters from?! 😂
hi, are they going to release a new medium format film camera?
Believe me, it's even rougher today in 2022. I really want the 67 II but can't afford it.
Large format is worth lugging around alright, well I think so. Nothing touches large format dude and it's very easy to get into these days even handheld
Great video and guest. I have the 67ii. Make no mistake, it is a heavy, unwieldy beast. The 105mm f2.4 makes it all worth it. And the 55mm f4.
Notwithstanding its praises sung here and elsewhere, the 105mm's optical performance is inferior to the other "normal" focal length lenses for the 67. It is very sharp in a 1-2 stop range around 8.0, but performance falls fast at wider apertures to the point where it is not critically useful wider than 4.0. It was designed to introduce the 67 system in 1967, never updated, and optically inferior to both the 90mm 2.8 and 100mm 4.0, both being more modern designs. It gave Pentax a marketing tool (We're faster than they are.) at a time when that sold a lot more cameras than it would today. The 105mm is one of the few Pentax 67 lenses I do not own/use. One the other hand, the 55mm 4.0 (any version) is so excellent that it's a crime to own a 67 body without having one - one of my two most used lenses.
@@randallstewart175 Well, I've never thought of the 105mm as a sharp lens, but it has other interesting attributes. I shoot it at f2.4 - 3.5 with results I like very much.
Couldn't agree more about the 55mm f4 - the IQ is fantastic.
@@randallstewart175 What do you mean never updated? It got updated twice, or am I missing something here? It's definitely not inferior optically to the 90 2.8 either, don't know about the other one. LIke for real, I don't understand where that even comes from.
Saw a few on ebay that are about 600-800 w a lens if that helps.
Matt, which would you recommend between this and a Mamiya RB/RZ for portraits? I worry about focusing on the Pentax as my eyes are not what they used to be.
Hey Bud. I have the RZ and the P67. The P67 is easier to shoot but more difficult to focus. The RZ focus is easier, but if you need to work quick the waistlevel finder becomes a schlep
@@marcellvanaswegen4594 Cheers mate! Ya, that's what I worry about with the Pentax 67. No point in having a 105 f2.4 if you're missing focus all the time. On my FM3A the viewfinder is big and bright, and with the split prism and an 85mm lens, manual focussing is pretty easy.
Let me know when youre in GP then you can check both out
If/when I buy one, I’ll never sell it.
I like film on 120 but it's a lot of four letter words: work, cost, scan, spot dust
Is it a good idea to use Pentax 67 with panoramic adapter in alternative to Hasselblad Xpan?
Not really. The 35mm adapter kit for the 67 bodies allows you to advance your 35mm roll from cartridge to take-up spool, but there is no way to rewind the film back into the cartridge. I anticipate that there may be a way to load a 2nd cartridge on the take-up side into which the shot film would spool. I have not seen this done, and I'm not planning to explore the idea with my kit. It's much more practical to just shoot on 120 film normally and crop the image in printing. I consider my 35mm kit to be $50 gone for nothing.
You can do double exposures with the older 67 by using the 90mm LS lens.
So who is going to explain that You don't take off the viewfinder AND put it back on just because it has shiny buttons You can press? You can damage the chain.
You can take it off BUT You then have to remount the lens to set the coupling and THEN put the finder on back again.
*blatantly pointing at the Pentax 67 manual*
THIS IS SO IMPORTANT
Where can I buy 1 ? Is eBay the only place ?
20:20 No...
So I'm not the only one that cringed there.
To avoid metering-chain damage, the TTL prism must be removed or replaced only without a lens on.
i was literally about to comment this, especially because i just had to have my chain repaired (not by mistake it just broke from age)
My bad! I always forget about that since I mostly used the waist level finder on my 67.
Same as you... Would be fun if Matt actually said it broke just after the video :D
Shutter speed 500th flash synch?.
I love the original but dont use it too often. I recently photographed Jamie Lee Curtis and rep. Adam Schiff with it though which was fun.
I bought a Mamiya RB67 Pro S, way cheaper and I can change out the film whenever I want
Ive been struggling about buying one... it's not really a camera to go out with
Mamiya 7 and Makina 67 are definitely better but the prices are crazy
@@sorano9733 I use it for landscape photography!
@@jameslane3846 smaller format though
Did he just break the chain when he put the prism back on
sbarronmd I thought he was going to mention that and he just took it off and on again and it was like wait... aren’t you not supposed to do that?
There are sellers I’ve seen on ebay that would list that 5D as “Near Mint” =p
Pentax is built for reliability,not for the 'it's too heavy and I will fall over dead' crowd.So ether get some muscles,eat some good food,an man up,or just get some recalled,crippled,and light new camera.It's ok,we dont mind..Prices are around $300-700+...
Stay with original 6x7 or 6x7 MU but not 6x7 -ll I did have 6x7 ll for a few years did change 2 bodies (under warrantie )for shutter issue terrible squeaking and drugging while some photographer use 6x7 older types for last 30 years trouble free.
Hell. I think I'm in.
There seem to be different versions of Pentax’s 200mm f/4. Long ago I had 67 and 35mm versions, and both were mediocre. More recently I bought an AF 645 version…and it’s in a whole ‘nuther league. Use it a lot on both a 645Nii and 645z.
I find my shots with the 6/7 200 come out darker/muddier for some reason.did you have the same experience? I’m wondering if it’s a metering problem or in fact the lens
@@frankyperal1 I didn’t have the 67 and 645 versions of the lens at the same time, so I don’t know if the 67 version is “slower” in terms of light transmission. It was obvious right away, though, that the 645 version is sharper.
@@davidkieltyka9 yeah I’m noticing the same unfortunately
I'm the 100th like and 900th view :D
Very expensive cameras...sadly
He removed the prism on the 67 and returned it with the lens on - not good!
🥰🌸
I HAVE 3 6X7'S AND I WANT TO SELL THEM ALL WITH 3 LENSES. NEED THE BREAD AND DON'T SHOOT ANYMORE AT THE LEVEL I DID.
Get 6x6,it fits the neg carrier.(wish I had a grey cortina).
The video seems dark!
yep.. too much.. and bad light..
Your soul is dark that's the reason
@@EdBareff lolz. Doesn't it just look under-exposed to you?
kinda' bummed to watch this because after finally getting a 67ii w/ 105 2.4 (my absolute dream setup for over a decade) a couple months ago, the pos seller didn't disclose some major "under the hood" issues and it was a cash transaction, so i was out the dough by the time i discovered the issues. none of the techs in my city (a major north american city with several reputable techs) were able to fix the issues and even precision camera said they likely wouldn't be able to do it, so i ended up selling @ a loss, heartbroken. it was such an infuriating and bitter experience that it's tainted my perception of the camera. i know that's ridiculous, but it's true... i can't explain how badly i wanted this camera- it was my dream since i first held one at a photo show as a teenager back in 2007- and how much i was looking forward to spending my life shooting on it, but ultimately was burned really bad. the camera felt absolutely perfect in my big hands and i loved the way everything looked through the viewfinder- it really was tailor-made for me and i'd loveeeee to get another 67ii someday, but with the shortage (if not downright non-existence) of parts it's a worrisome proposition the older they get. great video though.
edit: i should add that i'm looking to get into a 6x7 system and have been seriously considering getting back into an rz 67 pro ii (used one for years) or mamybe the mamiya 7ii for a slightly different thing. neither will feel as good in the hand (for me) as the pentax did, but the mamiya's have stellar glass and are capable of producing beautiful images. can't go wrong with any of these though... until then, will continue using my 503cw, though i think i prefer the japanese stuff.
Why not own both hahaha
2019 prices.... 😅
Why not the 6x7? Reject modernity embrace tradition
bavarian beer is the best beer
20:15 if i were you i already scream like a cat with high voice Nnnoooo.....!!! don't do that please. remove the lens first then you can remove the finder. it can damage the chain.
To service any Pentax camera, just contact Eric Hendrickson at pentaxs.com
Eric seems like a great guy but he failed to fix my original 67 twice 😬 Kews camera in Oregon did a super job though!
I just did for mine and he's no longer doing it, at least not the Pentax 67II, looking into other options right now.
@@ariannadominguez8162 Try an contact Nippon Photo Clinic in New York.
@@ylliwgil thank you, Matt Seal also recommended Kew's Camera in Utah... So I'll post an update if I have luck... Or not.
pentax needs to retro reboot some legacy mount MIRRORLESS cameras:
1) the me super or MX (APS-C)
2) the k-1000 (full frame)
3) a wood-rocking 67 (medium format)
don't change the mounts, we can't afford modern glass in this economy anyway. if the executive branch at pentax refuses to see the benefit of the mirrorless revolution, those execs should be unceremoniously dismissed.
#pentaxforever #pentax100thanniversary
#pentaxforumskilledpentax
#dslrisdead
ME Super is full frame 🤷♂️
They should retro reboot them in 35mm and 120
Is it a beer sponsored video?
Yes it is in fact, thirsty?
How about wetting your lips on an ice cold 614 lager!
Neither because I’m not a bratty rich kid hypeboi. I’ll stick with my RB67 thanks
This video is so damn long lol, better look for another one who go straight to the point bye lol.
God I hated this..
Vanity for the sake of mediocrity..