The weird thing is that in the manga Lumis and Umbra were seemingly not supposed to be the same guys who got OTK’d in the previous duel and while the JP version of the anime made them look basically the same and gave them the same voice actors they also never verbally confirmed them to be the same for some reason, only dub did. Such a weird thing to me since it makes their wiki pages separate.
It actually makes sense in the manga. This duel isn’t shown in its entirety. So Kaiba’s insane opening hand isn’t what it is in the anime. Also Kaiba is shown having defeated another duelist after these guys. So Yugi and Kaiba are just waltzing through Battle City owning everyone. Until Lumis and Umbra show up, finally giving them a challenge.
Having the same design seems like it's less "they aren't supposed to be the same guys" and just "they aren't explicitly shown as the same guys when the anime makes it pretty apparent they are."
About Mask of Restrict, similarly to Battle Ox being a Lv. 6 in the Manga, and a Lv. 4 in the Anime, the effect of the card differs in both medias. In the manga, Mask of Restrict's effect reads "Your opponent cannot offer any of his monsters as tribute". This is how Kaiba and Yugi figured the loophole to summon Obelisk, they can't tribute their own monsters, but if they have the means to it, they can still tribute the enemy's monsters. Kaiba even teases the Masked Brothers about it in the manga, saying "Next time, you should read your own cards properly". So, yeah, like many of the duels in Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monsters, this is another instance of a Duel being screwed by how the anime decided to change a lot of things.
The effect in the game could be justified if the effect of masked doll alters mask of restrict to only work for your opponent. Like if they were to print mask doll for the ocg or tcg, they would need to add in an extra line to the effect like “if mask of restrict is on the field, it’s effect changes to “monsters on your opponents side of the field cannot be tributed.”
Yeah I was thinking the same thing when it was brought up in this video. Immediately searched for the manga version and it specified that detail Once you know these things happen from time to time, it's easy to assume it was a lost in translation from manga to anime issue.
It would still apply to the Tributes for The Masked Beast's ritual summon, and would still apply to the tributes of the Magnet Warriors for Valkyrion. The simplest fix is if Mask of Restrict prevent Tributing your own monsters for a Tribute Summon (which would work if it was a hard counter to the Egyptian God cards). So it seems like everyone and every medium fucked this up.
@@PolishSasquatch No, it wouldn't. The card in the manga reads "Your opponent cannot offer any of his monsters as tribute". It literally states that it only applies to the opponent. This an anime exclusive f- up
I do like Yugioh and TGS’ content, been watching his videos for a few years now. Actually before Master Duel and Speed Duels I just used to watch him and another channel. That was the entirety of my Yugioh content for some time! But… I also work for NAnimerica hence why I commented early 😂
You have excellent taste! For me, the cliffhanger of ending the episode right when Kaiba summons his Blue-Eyes, laughing triumphantly. I can’t even begin to describe how ten year old me felt.
@@ryhi5 This episode is what got me back into the series as an adult. I remembered it but never saw the resolution of the duel. Watched the remainder of the duel then proceeded to rewatch the whole series
That duel. Can confirm if Frost didn't waste his time toying around. They would have beaten Syrus way earlier leaving Hassleberry to fend off Frost and Thunder. Hassleberry and Syrus should have lost way sooner
In the Manga, or at least Viz's translation, Mask of Restric says "Your opponent cannot offer any of his monsters as a tribute." Since this duel is pretty close to the manga, that is way they can summon the Ritual, and why Kaiba can tribute other monsters but not his owns.
Sooo for 18:11. Based off the text of Masked Doll being "A doll that takes ally-affecting mask curses upon itself., both Mask and curses having links to the Mask Archetype and Negative effects respectfully, I think Masked Doll would prevent the effect of Mask of Restrict, that or based off the notes section for the Anime card itself, its meant to only stop tribute summons, specifically using your own for a tribute summon for a card you own which is how Kaiba bypasses it with Obelisk
Also look at 28:40, Masked Doll does indeed negate all drawbacks so Lumis and Umbra can tribute cards ( or have them tributed). But this also means that anime Valkyrion can be “contact fused” and “de-fused”. Furthermore, in the Scripted Duel which uses anime rules 2012 Providence, Valkyrion is an extra deck monster not in Yugi’s hand- in this duel, like in early manga or the Legendary Dragon fusions, some rituals or fusions are “transformations” and are either stored in the extra deck or materialize when the correct card is played on the correct monster- no cards in hand required!
@@SuperSayianWarrior Ally-affecting mask curses eh? But the question then becomes, does Mask of Restrict affect the Tributes or the monster they are tributed for? I think it is supposed to restrict the mechanic of Tributing, not monsters. If for some reason it affects the Tributes, then it is accepable. If it affects the mechanic of Tributing or the monster they're tributed for, then Lumis and Umbra would still suffer from mask of restrict
In defense of the tributes: -Ritual Summon is a special type of tribute summon -Contact Fusion is a special type of tribute summon -Obelisk is not a monster, IT'S A GOD!
1- Ritual Might need tributes but its also a Special Summon style 2- True, Though in Valkyrion's case its a unique special summon requirement 3- Remember that Anime Egyptian God cards are extremely powerful and (in a sense) Immune to card effects (See Kaiba vs Aigami for another Obelisk Bypass)
16:08 This is absolutely the case both in the manga fully (unless it changes in R or GX) and in Duelist Kingdom. I’d never considered it for Battle City, but it lines up with them not altering the hands to match this discrepancy. By the time of the Virtual World filler arc, they were following the proper rules. A pity: Rituals might have been a much better mechanic had they been Extra Deck monsters. Though in the manga it requires using a specific monster as the base sacrifice that is getting transformed and others that equal half its resultant attack, so… yeah. Also, for clarity, Mask of Restrict’s manga effect only stops the opponent from tributing their monsters and required them trying to as an activation condition. Another case of the animators showing the card here with its real-world text without considering the knock-on effect.
Obelisk punching the Mirror Force the way it did was an epic yet insane moment. I would like to see Dumon and Marin Vs Vector next since I feel like they could’ve won.
Marin was going to win! Vector was about to make a huge misplay, but then Don Thousand bailed him out of trouble! Short answer, had Don Thousand not been holding Vector’s hand, then yes, Vector would have lost. Would love to see that duel covered as well.
19:40 in rl glifer would miss timing here since it's an optional when effect and the last thing that happened was everyone drawing thier new hand. But honestly, who would think the anime would teach us about missing the timing? eh, it's fine
16:17 You also forgot the duelist kingdom where the same happens. They summon rituals without having the monster in hand, just the spell and the materials
Yui-Gi-Oh! 5D's finale duel: Yusei Fudo vs. Jack Atlas. You could also do was Antinomy about to defeat Yusei, was Sherri about to defeat Akiza and Crow.
"Obelisk the Tormentor arise and seek your ultimate revenge!" Still an badass line from the anime itself, Huge props to Eric Stuart for that line delivery.
I think I know why Mask of Restrict is working this way. So, in the Dub, Umbra states that his continuous spell, Masked Doll, absorbs any and all negative effects of all their Mask Cards. Masked Doll is absorbing that negative effect. So, all the plays where Lumis & Umbra cards are tributed are fine.
In the anime they made a terrible job with mask of restrict. In the manga the effect says "negate the sacrifice and opponent's monsters can't be tributed while this card is in play". Great video, great duel analysis, can you do next "Was Bakura about to defeat Yugi" in the pharaoh memory series?
I don’t think those are even Lumis and Umbra. They are just a couple of randos with similar body shapes that the dubbing studio thought were the same guys haha
@@SWad250 Yeah it's only brought up in the English release with it only alluded in the Japanese release by Lumis and the short Rare Hunter both being voiced by Yu Mizushima as well as Umbra and the tall Rare Hunter being voiced by Koji Ishi but in the manga those rare hunters aren't named
@SWad250 yes they was they say it in the beginning of the 2st one he sat to yugi you guys won't beat us so easy this time are decks was made to beat u now
16:04 Ritual monsters are being introduce in the Go Rush! and they seem to be extra deck monsters. Then, this video with this segment comes out making me think that the world works in mysterious ways.
In the early days of the manga and GBA yugioh games, rituals were indeed extra deck monsters! Or rather, they didnt exist at all. Much like the Legendary Dragon fusions, when the correct spell was played under the right conditions, one monster would transform into the ritual. This is why Gaia the Fierce Knight is tied to BLS- play the spell and tribute two non-Gaia cards and then Gaia transforms into BLS. No ritual monster needed in the hand, if you need it at all its in the extra! Cool that rush duels are doing this too, it makes rituals more accessible! Also, this early on Valkyrion is also an extra deck monster, not in Yugis hand. He absolutely contact fuses it here, no Mask of Restrict shenanigans!
@@AlexZandor24 I think you're basically spot on here - before we codified the game of Yu-Gi-Oh into print, the entire series was kind of wishy-washy. Duelist Kingdom having most of the examples, but also things like fusion monsters just kinda appearing out of nowhere (because I doubt that our duelists just so happened to have the specific fusion monster in their extra decks). Ritual monsters must be the same - they exist outside of the duel and you can grab it from a database whenever you finally summon it or something.
@@AlexZandor24 So... most Ritual monsters weren't even created, they were just regular monster cards that transformed into ritual cards via Spell, Trap or Monster effect conditions that were in effect. So, does this hold true for the accompanying Yu-Gi-Oh series?
The magic shadow box will open a portal to the shadow realm and you’ll fall but you’ll never reach the bottom!!!!! Honestly that sounds worse than falling 50 stories to your death 😅
The boxes are so funny to me. I can get behind all of the other 4Kids changes, but they already made the death drop go into the shadow realm, so the boxes didn't have to be shadow too. They didn't even edit them like the "dark energy disks"!
Since there's only like one Mask card that has a maintenance cost, ima say the the Masked Doll card doesn't negate the maintenance cost, but just makes the detrimental effects of masked cards not effect you, which would mean their monsters wouldn't be affected by Mask of Restrict so they could be used for the Ritual summon. This could also vaguely explain why Kaiba could tribute summon Obelisk through Soul Exchange, as the magnet warriors being on Umbras field would be unaffected by Restrict, meaning they could be tributed. As for how Yugi even summoned Valkyrion...it's Yugi
I think in the early yugioh there was no such thing as an ''extra deck'' and the fusion and ritual monsters were just spawning into existence. Like thing about it, how did Yugi have a Red eyes fusion in his extra deck during duelist kingdom when Joey just got red eyes ? I think the logic was ''i am using this spell (poly or ritual spell) so it basically creates the appropriate monster to summon'' (a fitting fusion monster or the ritual monster the spell is supposed to summon)
This 100%. If you look closely on the Duel Arena field in Duelist Kingdom you can see this in action- when Yugi plays Gaia the Dragon Champion did you notice that Polymerization and Gaia the Fierce Knight and Curse of Dragon are all face up on board even though its supposedly one fusion monster? Check out the Weevil duel in Ep 4 and 5! Or Gaia being transformed into BLS when yugi had no ritual in hand and only topdecked the ritual spell? In the manga Black Luster Ritual tributes two monsters (“one to the light and one to the darkness”) to TRANSFORM Gaia into BLS, thats why in the anime when he tribute Kuriboh Gaia gallops into the light (“open the gates of chaos”). The anime cut Griffore from the cost, making Kuriboh and Gaia equal eight stars, but still had Gaia transform into BLS instead of another level seven like Dark Magician
Not to mention the times when monsters randomly become other monsters like harpie sisters, the metal versions of zoa and red-eyes or dark sage. Also how monsters just turn into their toon versions
I was under the impression that this was specifically just Duelist Kingdom and that Kaiba added a “Fusion Deck” alongside “Tribute Summoning” but I could be wrong.
@@WDinATX Perhaps but but ''rituals'' might have still be under those rules at the time. Battle city was just a weird mix of ''kinda real game but also not'' just like how you have the spells being able to be used as quick spells thing
@@JunkoEnoshima. Fair enough. It also explains why Zera the Mant was super duper expensive because people suddenly needed a rare physical card to do what they previously could’ve done without it.
"No matter what the situation, neither player can offer any monster as a Tribute." is the original text on Mask of Restrict's first printing. Tag duel? No tributes. Ritual Summon? No tributes. Category 4 hurricane warning blasting on the TV? No tributes. Parents fighting in the next room your dueling your friend over from? You know the answer.
@@Amitlu I thought it’s only for the team that goes first. At that point, everybody else has gone once. In GX with Syrus/Jaden vs Paradox bros, I believe the 4th person to go was able to attack.
I honestly always just assumed that either the ritual monster cards were just being created magically or that they were extra deck monsters in the early anime. I always liked that idea when dueling with my friends too.
100%this is how early manga and GBA yugioh games work! Kind of like how dark magician girl is still on the field while magically “transformed” into a “fusion” dragon knight in the Rafael duel, but she isnt in the grave so Yugi takes less damage from Purity if the Cemetery
For a long time, I've wanted Konami to change the rules of Ritual monsters to make them more viable. Something like this: 1. A Ritual monster can be Special Summoned without a Ritual card from the hand by tributing monsters from the hand or field with the same total number of stars. Maybe make it so it can't attack this turn as the cost of circumventing the ritual. 2. A Ritual monster can be Special Summoned from the hand without tribute if an appropriate Ritual spell is activated. 3. A Ritual monster can be Special Summoned from the Deck or Graveyard by tributing monsters with the same or more stars from the hand or field when the appropriate Ritual spell card is activated. This would give Ritual monsters a lot more flexibility, and minimize the instances of the monsters or spell cards being dead cards in hand. If you have one or the other, you have to sacrifice stuff to play it.
Fun fact at the end. if lumis just passed his turn instead of trying to flee it would be yugi's turn. He would take 500 damage because of mask of dispell on his multiply and lose the duel. Atleast he could kill yugi by throwing him to his death then some random could pick up Slifer.
16:09 it definitely seems Ritual monsters are in the Extra Deck for Duelist Kingdom. We only see 3 (BLS, Magician of Black Chaos, and Relinquished), but in each case it's made clear what is in each player's hand, and the Ritual Monsters are definitely not in them.
@@iml908 Wasn't there a moment where yugi dueled noah and summon all 3 Magicians, including Black Magician of Chaos which is a Ritual, and it was commented as being in his Deck?
Card Exchange is clearly a card that was invented for the anime to explain how Lumis got enough cards to activate the Chosen One. Its such a dumb card that I assumed it could only be used on your partner in tagduels The manga never kept track of handsizes (also he used less cards in general) But he still is dumb for not attacking Alfa tho.
Lol i think i just figured it out. So follow me on this. They used the cursed doll or whatever. It basically negates the cost of masked cards. In the anime they are saying that the doll which is still up as well is negating the tribute cost on their side of the field. So with the doll up they can still tribute. It's kinda like how one of them is suppose to take 1000 LP every turn but he doesn't because the doll is negating that effect for them. So i think they made that doll card stronger so it is stopping the mask of restrict for them but not for Yugi and Kaiba. This is the only way i can even think of why they would be able to tribute any cards. Also it would make sense on why he was saying that yugi and kaiba can't tribute summon. In truth if this is the case then they did an amazing lock out on their opponent. Also yes tributing is a "cost" in the anime for anyone that doesn't know.
One (more) bit of shenanigans that seemed to be missed, when Umbra attacked Blue-eyes with Rogue Doll, Lumis would not be allowed to use Mask of Weakness on Blue-eyes, both the real life and anime versions of the card say that it has to be used on an attacking monster, so it would have defaulted to weakening Rogue Doll. Also for Valkyrion, I saw someone comment about the manga version of Mask of restraint and it made me want to check, it is a fusion monster and is contact fused in the manga so it falls under the same category as XYZ Dragon Cannon, which also explains why it could get de-fused.
28:15 that's in the anime, those monsters don't appear in the final duel in the manga, that's why the magnet warriors don't have Shinning Sarcophagus retrains, yet. Meanwhile, this duel in the anime is much closer to the manga, that's why they can screw the rules so easily, why they can use DiFusion on a main deck monster that was contact tribute summon without tributing.
Worth noting that the official manga translation for Mask of Restrict in this duel is: “Your opponent cannot offer any of his monsters as a Tribute” Which does leave those loopholes open. Yugi merges his magnet warriors into Valkyrion, and Kaiba tributes monsters his opponent controls.
In Duelist Kingdom you did not need a Ritual Monster in your Hand, they are either Extra Deck Monsters or you can summon them from your Deck. Example for this is the duel between Yugi and Mai. Yugi draws Black Luster Ritual to summon Black Luster Soldier out of his Deck/Extra Deck. In the Virtual World and Waking the Dragons arc, which are also using most of the Battle City Rules, you need the Ritual and the Monster on your hand to do a ritual summon. You can see this during the duel between Yugi and Noah and Yugi/Kaiba vs Dartz. So I assume that in the Battle City arc you need both cards on your hand to do a ritual summon. As for the hand cards, it must be an animation error. They are having more or less cards in their hand then they should be all the time.
Ah yes, the Mooninites Steves. Two of my favorite of Steves. On the moon… 💀💀😂😂 I can’t take them seriously without thinking bout Little Kuriboh and the influence of Aqua Teen: Hunger Force had on these 2. 😂😂💀💀🤭🤭
14:30 I love the way the dub handles this, not gonna lie. Kaiba says he has a card in hand that could win him the duel easily, but "due to YOUR sloppy dueling I can't summon it, so it's better off in the graveyard." Lumis and Umbra have zero reason to suspect Kaiba is slipping a message to Yugi. Love this duel, and love the analysis as well. On a side note, not to be that guy but can I toss my vote in the hat for an analysis of Yugi and Joey vs the Big Five in the digital world arc? Thanks man, you the best!
duel kingdom aside, where the rules were all over the place, this is probably the duel with the highest amount of shanenigans said in a video (aside the battle city finals compilations). Also, I think both Yugi and Pegasus did not have Black Luster Soldier and Relinquished in their hands during Duel Kingdom.
Rituals from the extra would be a cool concept since it would just function as a second hand. A link archetype that uses spells to summon them properly could also be cool.
I've always thought Rituals should be an extra deck card, even back in the day, it feels like rituals were meant to parralel fusion monsters but somebody at konami just missed with memo, with rituals you have a specific spell but can use generic monsters, where as with fusions you have a generic "in that being Poly is how u fusion summon all fusion cards" spell but with specific monsters, since back in the day would need specific monsters for fusions typically, so it felt like they mirrored eachother almost, and rituals would have actually been a viable strategy with them in the extra deck instead of being practically useless unless made uber busted
16:11 short answer: yes Long answer: In the manga neither ritual monsters nor fusion monster were real cards. When you activate a ritual spell, the tributed monsters went to gy and you summon this "token" out of nowhere. While when you fusio summon, you overlay the 2 cards togheter and those cards become the new fusion monster. In the anime it was kinda similar: Fusion monsters were not really cards, but the 2 cards glued togheter by "poly". While i dont remember how they treated ritual monsters.
I kinda wish ritual monsters were extra deck compatible, they'd effectively become fusion monsters with strict criteria, but I'd honestly like them more like that than they are now.
Been waiting on this duel, one of my favourite duels in Battle City. I'd love to have a retrain and archetype of the Masks/Masked Beast. And I always assumed the Ritual Monsters were spawned in rather than present in the deck, so Extra Deck Ritual Monsters is probably most likely. Best I'd stretch to say is that Mask of Restrict prevents Tributes outside of Card Effects despite the text, idk.
Love it. Absolutely love it. I love your duel analysis videos. Here are a couple of other suggestions though for future videos DM: Yugi and Joey vs The Big Five Kaiba Vs Gozaburo Kaiba vs Alister Yugi vs Leon Yugi Muto vs Yami Bakura Dawn Of The Dual GX: Jaden vs Chazz Princeton when he was representing North Academy Jaden vs Lyman Banner Jaden vs Aster REMATCH Jaden vs Sartorius Hassleberry vs Jim Jaden vs Viper Jaden and Jessie vs Yasuke Jaden vs Nightshroud 5D’S: Yusei vs Kalin REMATCH Jack vs Carly Yusei, Jack, and Crow vs Rex Goodwin Leo and Luna vs Lester Team 5D’S vs Team Ragnorok Jack, Leo, and Luna vs Aporia Yusei vs Z-ONE Zexal: Yuma vs Vetrix Yuma vs Eliphas Nash Vs Vector Yuma and Nash vs Don Thousand Yuma vs Nash Arc V: Jack vs Sergei Yuya vs Jack Yusho vs Yuri Yuya vs Declan If anyone else also has suggestions, I would (and I’m sure Sam would) love to know them! He said he already added my selections to a list of his in a previous list, so Sam, I’m making this comment so people can add an analysis they’d like to see. I seriously love these videos thank you.
Thank you for conTRIBUTING this long awaited duel analysis. I can't wait for you to TRIBUTE the duel analysis, Yugi Vs. Bakura (Dawn of the Duel) & Kaiba Vs. Alister (Both duels) sometime in the future.
Bro I have been hoping for this duel analysis! I tried to analyze it myself and I legit felt that the mysterious cards drawn had at least been shown or mentioned on what they were on the yugioh wiki. Always great to see TGS make this analysis 😂
13:35 My money is that Kaibacorp/Industrial Illusions continuously errata's Yugi's cards, and he slowly powercreeps them down into game mechanics, since Kaiba is sick and tired of Yugi breaking the game so he wins.
For the Ritual Being in the extra deck thing, from what I know of the games, yeah they seem to be appearing from the extra deck, but in the game where yugi (not atem) is facing bandit Keith being mind controlled by Marik, I do seem to remember in the dub, Yugi saying "that he also needed the Ritual Monster in hand" Before posting my comment I decided to go check both Sub and Dub for this scene and a couple things to note: 1. In the Sub Yugi explains what the Zera Ritual Does, and says that There are only 3 copies of the Zera Ritual Monster in the world, then Bandit Keith shows the Ritual Monster, and yugi is surprised because it's such a rare card. 2. Yugi in the 4Kids Dub Says "I've never heard of the Zera Ritual Card Before...." but the statement that is relevant is what he says afterward, Yugi says "but activating a ritual card takes more than just talk. You also need to have the right monster card in your hand," and then Keith Shows Zera in his hand. So depending on what you watched it seems to imply something different. However these were still with the rules from Dueliest Kingdom, which I doubt should've changed how ritual cards are played, but if we go by the 4kids dub, then this might've only applied to this duel of the 4 due to rule changes. In the sub I don't think there is any inconsitencys with the idea that rituals are summoning from the extra deck.
30:32 so I looked this up very recently. Manga Valkyrion states that it's not a physical card, but is summoned by combining the Magnet Warriors. Lol, almost sounds like Contact Fusion before GX came up with it.
When yugi tributes for valkyria in the future, he's doing so from his hand, in this duel they're all on the field so they're a contact fusion. It's bad logic, but it's anime logic
I think Valkyrion is counted as a sort of fusion monster specifically in Battle City. It's the same reason why Yugi could tribute it to summon an Egyptian God Card under the rules of fusion (I can't remember if he does but it was always an option for him). Not to mention being able to use De-Fusion on it. Also fun fact: if Yugi took one more turn, he would have lost from taking 500 damage from Mask of Dispel. It wouldn't have helped Lumis out at all, but it would have helped Marik to take Yugi out so early!
In all honesty, I've always been confused by Ritual Monsters. When I first read how they worked as an 11-year old kid, I figured they function like Fusions, but they exist in your main deck and have to be in your hand at the same time as the specific spell needed to summon them. However, I remember thinking "Are these really supposed to be in the main deck, not the Fusion deck? Fusions require specific materials, and Rituals require specific spells. Aren't these opposite methods to achieve the same thing?" Later, Synchros came out, and my immediate thought was, "They're basically Rituals without the need for a specific spell and they're in the Extra deck", which made me think that Rituals were originally designed for the Extra deck and they just messed that up somewhere and were too embarrassed to fix it. I still have that opinion to this day, and I think it would have made more sense for them to be Extra deck monsters, especially considering how they function in the manga, with one monster transforming into the Ritual monster after using the spell.
2:34 interesting editing mistake in the anime, Karina should have no cards in his hand at the beginning of his turn, due to playing everything last turn, yet you can see one sole card in his hand as he draws obelisk
With how you were describing the effects of Multiply as lingering/continuous, I kinda wish we had something like that for the TCG. A continuous spell/trap that lets you fill the field with Kuribohs during each Standby or End phase. It'd have to have multiple restrictions, but it could be a funny card!
27:43 Even without the manga as reference, I always interpreted Valkyrion as not being in the hand, being basically a contact fusion precursor, like Kaiba’s later XYZ monsters. Hence why De-Fusion works on it. So I don’t think it was even in his hand, much less a tribute. Obviously all later filler appearances match how the card works in real-life. After a fashion, one needs to accept that mechanics and card effects may still retain some manga differences up to the end of Battle City, and everything after that confirms to there real-world rules except for different effects as written. Just what it is. Especially as many of these on-screen card texts wouldn’t have been readable without recording/pausing back in the to broadcast days in Japan.
28:20 Funny thing is, Yugi doesn't summon the Magna Warriors at all for that duel in the manga. The anime writers were probably working off the OCG card rules for them in the Yugi VS Atem duel, while this duel follows closer to the manga
Now we need Joey vs Zigfried and Yugi vs Gurimo. The case of Gurimo is very interesting because not only has the seal of orichalcos but also OBELISK THE TORMENTOR.
Mask of restrict is edited by the anime the same way dark necrofear was and made both duels loopy. Here its ment to just stop opponents tributes, and necrofear had more exact summoninh conditions in the manga. Had to be summoned by banishing 3 fiends that were destroyed in the last 5 turns.
As per Ritual monsters coming from the extra deck in original Yu-Gi-Oh, the VERY FIRST ritual summon of all time was BLS, and Yugi didn't have that card in hand when he activated Black Luster Ritual. Also, obscure ref, in the Yu-Gi-Oh game Dark Duelist Story when you summon a ritual monster they come right outta nowhere (though they require specific cards for the ritual)
With regards to Lumis and Umbra being unaffected by the effects of Mask of Restrict, I've always interpreted it as an effect of Masked Doll (which has the vague text "A doll that takes ally-affecting mask curses upon itself"). To me this means that Lumis and Umbra are unaffected by the (negative) effect of Mask cards including both the cost of Mask of Brutality and the tribute restriction of Mask of Restrict. Lumis' comment is related to this interaction between Mask of Restrict and Masked Doll (although in the real world it would apply to Lumis and Umbra the players not their field). So the later tribute summon of Obelisk is still legal under the vague interpretation of Battle City rules. The "Tribute summon" of Valkyrion and the "tributing" of the Magnet Warriors is just semantics as it is treated as a Contact Fusion
17:06 About being the only Yugituber noticing about Ritual Monsters in anime being extra deck monsters, well... There's a brazilian youtuber called "Rafael" from the channel "Qualquer Coisa", in the video "A PIOR invocação em Yu-Gi-Oh! é a MAIS IMPORTANTE", he talks about how Ritual Monsters appeared kinda of nowhere and about the lore behind Ritual Summon. In a translation "If they (Konami) had focused on what Takahashi did. Maybe this problem could never existed (Ritual Summon being garbage). In the start of the series, the monsters simply appeared when the cost was paid, like any extra deck summon after GX. All of them are incredibly viable and still used today, because they're relatively cheap to the player, using at minimum two cards, and have an easy way to summon, coming from outside the main deck. Exactly like the Takahashi's ritual summon idea". Sorry if my english is bad, it's my second language and portuguese is a really hard to translate language.
It's crazy since Valkyrion in the Manga WAS a Fusion Monster so the whole "Bypassing Mask of Restrict" made more sense and even De-Fuse... but in the anime it's like "MEH, SCREW IT".
Like a lot of things in this duel, the reason why Valkyrion was able to be defused with de-fusion is because it was a fusion monster in the manga, basically functioning the same way the XYZ monsters do. So since this was the first appearance of the card and was going off how it worked in the manga, when it was De-fused it should have gone to the extra deck, or more likely just despawned since extra decks weren't a thing that this point in the series. Also had Lumis not freaked out and tried to run, he could have at least eliminated Yugi since he was about to lose due to Mask of Despell. He only had 500 life points left and Kaiba choose to take out Umbra instead, so unless Yugi drew something like MST that could save him during the draw phase, he would have lost. Misplay to Lumis and misplay to Kaiba, who could have prevented this by attacking Lumis instead.
About the ritual monsters. In the manga and gba games they were like extra deck monsters. For example BLS required gaia the fierce knight specifically + 2 tributes
I always thought Valkyrion, in this duel specifically, was one of those non-extra deck extra monsters. Something similar to, say, the Forbidden Memories or Sacred Cards games where you just need the components of the end resulting card but not the end result itself. Like in Yugi's duel with Mai in Duelist Kingdom when he used the Black Luster Ritual or the Black Magic Ritual against Pegasus. He didn't HAVE Black Luster Soldier or Magician of Black Chaos in his hand but the rituals summoned them anyway. Now later on they made that more of a thing of the monster card needing to be in the hand as, ironically, I think Yugi used Valkyrion as the full cost for both these two (I could be mistaken but DEFINITELY for M.B.C.). But for its first time appearing I think it just was able to be manifested through Alpha, Beta and Gamma's non apparent ability to fuse. At least that's what I figure. Could be mistaken or maybe it was even different in the manga as some have pointed out with the technicality on Mask of Restrict in the Manga compared to here.
Since most everyone is focusing on Mask of Restrict, here's one bit I noticed: had Lumis not forfeited, he could've essentially kamikazed Yugi by ending his turn. Yugi would have lost the remainder of his life points to Mask of Dispel. Technically, Yugi wouldn't have lost because for tag duels, both players need to be defeated, but his charges would've gone off, and Yugi would've fallen down the building. Also, had Masked Beast attacked Yugi directly, couldn't Kaiba use his Blue-Eyes to intercept the attack anyway?
He could’ve took Kaiba’s hand and that was the superior play but summoning Obelisk would’ve been a fuck up. It would’ve struck him down for not having ties to Ancient Egypt
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The weird thing is that in the manga Lumis and Umbra were seemingly not supposed to be the same guys who got OTK’d in the previous duel and while the JP version of the anime made them look basically the same and gave them the same voice actors they also never verbally confirmed them to be the same for some reason, only dub did. Such a weird thing to me since it makes their wiki pages separate.
I think it would've been funny if they made a "they're wearing masks, they aren't the same people!" Kind of thing.
It actually makes sense in the manga. This duel isn’t shown in its entirety. So Kaiba’s insane opening hand isn’t what it is in the anime. Also Kaiba is shown having defeated another duelist after these guys. So Yugi and Kaiba are just waltzing through Battle City owning everyone. Until Lumis and Umbra show up, finally giving them a challenge.
Having the same design seems like it's less "they aren't supposed to be the same guys" and just "they aren't explicitly shown as the same guys when the anime makes it pretty apparent they are."
About Mask of Restrict, similarly to Battle Ox being a Lv. 6 in the Manga, and a Lv. 4 in the Anime, the effect of the card differs in both medias. In the manga, Mask of Restrict's effect reads "Your opponent cannot offer any of his monsters as tribute". This is how Kaiba and Yugi figured the loophole to summon Obelisk, they can't tribute their own monsters, but if they have the means to it, they can still tribute the enemy's monsters. Kaiba even teases the Masked Brothers about it in the manga, saying "Next time, you should read your own cards properly". So, yeah, like many of the duels in Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monsters, this is another instance of a Duel being screwed by how the anime decided to change a lot of things.
The effect in the game could be justified if the effect of masked doll alters mask of restrict to only work for your opponent. Like if they were to print mask doll for the ocg or tcg, they would need to add in an extra line to the effect like “if mask of restrict is on the field, it’s effect changes to “monsters on your opponents side of the field cannot be tributed.”
Having read the Manga, it did make sense.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing when it was brought up in this video. Immediately searched for the manga version and it specified that detail
Once you know these things happen from time to time, it's easy to assume it was a lost in translation from manga to anime issue.
It would still apply to the Tributes for The Masked Beast's ritual summon, and would still apply to the tributes of the Magnet Warriors for Valkyrion. The simplest fix is if Mask of Restrict prevent Tributing your own monsters for a Tribute Summon (which would work if it was a hard counter to the Egyptian God cards). So it seems like everyone and every medium fucked this up.
@@PolishSasquatch No, it wouldn't. The card in the manga reads "Your opponent cannot offer any of his monsters as tribute". It literally states that it only applies to the opponent. This an anime exclusive f- up
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I do like Yugioh and TGS’ content, been watching his videos for a few years now. Actually before Master Duel and Speed Duels I just used to watch him and another channel. That was the entirety of my Yugioh content for some time!
But… I also work for NAnimerica hence why I commented early 😂
Oh hey Hybrid i didn’t know you like Yugioh! 😎🔥👍
@ That’s Pretty Cool me too I seen His Content A few years as well
@@HybridHerohybrid yugioh podcast
Bro I’ve been WAITING for this one. This is my favorite duel in the first series
You have excellent taste!
For me, the cliffhanger of ending the episode right when Kaiba summons his Blue-Eyes, laughing triumphantly. I can’t even begin to describe how ten year old me felt.
We don't get enough tag duels. Fingers crossed we get Judai and Aster vs Sartorious's sister
@@ryhi5 This episode is what got me back into the series as an adult. I remembered it but never saw the resolution of the duel. Watched the remainder of the duel then proceeded to rewatch the whole series
Sweet, now we need Hassleberry and Syrus vs Lightning and Frost
Imma be real with you chief, you might have taken the award for the most forgotten duel in GX.
@@isaagamerplays it helps that I just finished rewatching the series
That duel.
Can confirm if Frost didn't waste his time toying around. They would have beaten Syrus way earlier leaving Hassleberry to fend off Frost and Thunder.
Hassleberry and Syrus should have lost way sooner
I’d say Jaden vs Gravekeeper’s Chief myself. But I think I sort of skimmed over that when watching the whole series, so that might be on me.
😂
In the Manga, or at least Viz's translation, Mask of Restric says "Your opponent cannot offer any of his monsters as a tribute." Since this duel is pretty close to the manga, that is way they can summon the Ritual, and why Kaiba can tribute other monsters but not his owns.
28:15 BTW in the manga Valkyrion WAS a Contact Fusion, by SENDING.
HA.
Sooo for 18:11. Based off the text of Masked Doll being "A doll that takes ally-affecting mask curses upon itself., both Mask and curses having links to the Mask Archetype and Negative effects respectfully, I think Masked Doll would prevent the effect of Mask of Restrict, that or based off the notes section for the Anime card itself, its meant to only stop tribute summons, specifically using your own for a tribute summon for a card you own which is how Kaiba bypasses it with Obelisk
Also look at 28:40, Masked Doll does indeed negate all drawbacks so Lumis and Umbra can tribute cards ( or have them tributed). But this also means that anime Valkyrion can be “contact fused” and “de-fused”. Furthermore, in the Scripted Duel which uses anime rules 2012 Providence, Valkyrion is an extra deck monster not in Yugi’s hand- in this duel, like in early manga or the Legendary Dragon fusions, some rituals or fusions are “transformations” and are either stored in the extra deck or materialize when the correct card is played on the correct monster- no cards in hand required!
@@SuperSayianWarrior Ally-affecting mask curses eh? But the question then becomes, does Mask of Restrict affect the Tributes or the monster they are tributed for? I think it is supposed to restrict the mechanic of Tributing, not monsters. If for some reason it affects the Tributes, then it is accepable. If it affects the mechanic of Tributing or the monster they're tributed for, then Lumis and Umbra would still suffer from mask of restrict
In defense of the tributes:
-Ritual Summon is a special type of tribute summon
-Contact Fusion is a special type of tribute summon
-Obelisk is not a monster, IT'S A GOD!
1- Ritual Might need tributes but its also a Special Summon style
2- True, Though in Valkyrion's case its a unique special summon requirement
3- Remember that Anime Egyptian God cards are extremely powerful and (in a sense) Immune to card effects (See Kaiba vs Aigami for another Obelisk Bypass)
For Valkryion, I would say it’s more like there was no tribute.
Valkyrion is literally just the three monsters
@@FoxhoundClass03😂 it is crazy to see the God Cards go "Get that dollar store Trap out of my way"
16:08 This is absolutely the case both in the manga fully (unless it changes in R or GX) and in Duelist Kingdom. I’d never considered it for Battle City, but it lines up with them not altering the hands to match this discrepancy. By the time of the Virtual World filler arc, they were following the proper rules.
A pity: Rituals might have been a much better mechanic had they been Extra Deck monsters. Though in the manga it requires using a specific monster as the base sacrifice that is getting transformed and others that equal half its resultant attack, so… yeah.
Also, for clarity, Mask of Restrict’s manga effect only stops the opponent from tributing their monsters and required them trying to as an activation condition. Another case of the animators showing the card here with its real-world text without considering the knock-on effect.
Obelisk punching the Mirror Force the way it did was an epic yet insane moment. I would like to see Dumon and Marin Vs Vector next since I feel like they could’ve won.
Marin was going to win! Vector was about to make a huge misplay, but then Don Thousand bailed him out of trouble!
Short answer, had Don Thousand not been holding Vector’s hand, then yes, Vector would have lost.
Would love to see that duel covered as well.
@@ryhi5 Yeah I think so too
AND TO INVOKE HIS PROPHETIC RIGHT AND GIVE ME SERAPH SUPPORT
Also, Marin has a set card she DID NOT PLAY! And she played it on the first turn.
@@ryhi5 That is true but it would be interesting to see how he would analyze the duel and the puns he would make.
19:40 in rl glifer would miss timing here since it's an optional when effect and the last thing that happened was everyone drawing thier new hand. But honestly, who would think the anime would teach us about missing the timing? eh, it's fine
16:17 You also forgot the duelist kingdom where the same happens. They summon rituals without having the monster in hand, just the spell and the materials
True, but trying to make any sense of Duelist Kingdom's Rules is just a nightmare
Yui-Gi-Oh! 5D's finale duel: Yusei Fudo vs. Jack Atlas. You could also do was Antinomy about to defeat Yusei, was Sherri about to defeat Akiza and Crow.
"Obelisk the Tormentor arise and seek your ultimate revenge!"
Still an badass line from the anime itself, Huge props to Eric Stuart for that line delivery.
9:43 it’s because in the manga mask of tribute effect was different so it basically a problem with adapting the card
I think I know why Mask of Restrict is working this way. So, in the Dub, Umbra states that his continuous spell, Masked Doll, absorbs any and all negative effects of all their Mask Cards. Masked Doll is absorbing that negative effect. So, all the plays where Lumis & Umbra cards are tributed are fine.
In the anime they made a terrible job with mask of restrict. In the manga the effect says "negate the sacrifice and opponent's monsters can't be tributed while this card is in play".
Great video, great duel analysis, can you do next "Was Bakura about to defeat Yugi" in the pharaoh memory series?
Or, like the Dark Side of Dimensions with Aigami, "Was Bakura about to defeat Kaiba/Yugi" in the very same sense
Now we need Jesse, Axel and Jim vs the Three Masked Goons Marcel/Yubel hired
I second this
1:33 I don't remember this duel at all I just remember the tag duel on top of that skyscraper 😂😂
I don’t think those are even Lumis and Umbra. They are just a couple of randos with similar body shapes that the dubbing studio thought were the same guys haha
@@SWad250 Yeah it's only brought up in the English release with it only alluded in the Japanese release by Lumis and the short Rare Hunter both being voiced by Yu Mizushima as well as Umbra and the tall Rare Hunter being voiced by Koji Ishi but in the manga those rare hunters aren't named
@SWad250 yes they was they say it in the beginning of the 2st one he sat to yugi you guys won't beat us so easy this time are decks was made to beat u now
@@TheRedMage01I think it is even better this way. They tried, they got absolutely raped, and decided to prepare better for round 2.
16:04 Ritual monsters are being introduce in the Go Rush! and they seem to be extra deck monsters. Then, this video with this segment comes out making me think that the world works in mysterious ways.
In the early days of the manga and GBA yugioh games, rituals were indeed extra deck monsters! Or rather, they didnt exist at all. Much like the Legendary Dragon fusions, when the correct spell was played under the right conditions, one monster would transform into the ritual. This is why Gaia the Fierce Knight is tied to BLS- play the spell and tribute two non-Gaia cards and then Gaia transforms into BLS. No ritual monster needed in the hand, if you need it at all its in the extra! Cool that rush duels are doing this too, it makes rituals more accessible!
Also, this early on Valkyrion is also an extra deck monster, not in Yugis hand. He absolutely contact fuses it here, no Mask of Restrict shenanigans!
to be fair, ritual monsters weren't shown in player's hands in duelist kingdom, so it wasn't just a battle city thing.
@@AlexZandor24 I think you're basically spot on here - before we codified the game of Yu-Gi-Oh into print, the entire series was kind of wishy-washy. Duelist Kingdom having most of the examples, but also things like fusion monsters just kinda appearing out of nowhere (because I doubt that our duelists just so happened to have the specific fusion monster in their extra decks). Ritual monsters must be the same - they exist outside of the duel and you can grab it from a database whenever you finally summon it or something.
@@AlexZandor24 So... most Ritual monsters weren't even created, they were just regular monster cards that transformed into ritual cards via Spell, Trap or Monster effect conditions that were in effect.
So, does this hold true for the accompanying Yu-Gi-Oh series?
"Magic shadow box"
Lad
It's a bomb
The magic shadow box will open a portal to the shadow realm and you’ll fall but you’ll never reach the bottom!!!!!
Honestly that sounds worse than falling 50 stories to your death 😅
And it’s not a saw blade! It’s a Dark Energy Disk!
The boxes are so funny to me. I can get behind all of the other 4Kids changes, but they already made the death drop go into the shadow realm, so the boxes didn't have to be shadow too. They didn't even edit them like the "dark energy disks"!
Since there's only like one Mask card that has a maintenance cost, ima say the the Masked Doll card doesn't negate the maintenance cost, but just makes the detrimental effects of masked cards not effect you, which would mean their monsters wouldn't be affected by Mask of Restrict so they could be used for the Ritual summon. This could also vaguely explain why Kaiba could tribute summon Obelisk through Soul Exchange, as the magnet warriors being on Umbras field would be unaffected by Restrict, meaning they could be tributed. As for how Yugi even summoned Valkyrion...it's Yugi
24:30 I mean, the claw is already doing a good job at cencorship
I think in the early yugioh there was no such thing as an ''extra deck'' and the fusion and ritual monsters were just spawning into existence. Like thing about it, how did Yugi have a Red eyes fusion in his extra deck during duelist kingdom when Joey just got red eyes ? I think the logic was ''i am using this spell (poly or ritual spell) so it basically creates the appropriate monster to summon'' (a fitting fusion monster or the ritual monster the spell is supposed to summon)
This 100%. If you look closely on the Duel Arena field in Duelist Kingdom you can see this in action- when Yugi plays Gaia the Dragon Champion did you notice that Polymerization and Gaia the Fierce Knight and Curse of Dragon are all face up on board even though its supposedly one fusion monster? Check out the Weevil duel in Ep 4 and 5! Or Gaia being transformed into BLS when yugi had no ritual in hand and only topdecked the ritual spell? In the manga Black Luster Ritual tributes two monsters (“one to the light and one to the darkness”) to TRANSFORM Gaia into BLS, thats why in the anime when he tribute Kuriboh Gaia gallops into the light (“open the gates of chaos”). The anime cut Griffore from the cost, making Kuriboh and Gaia equal eight stars, but still had Gaia transform into BLS instead of another level seven like Dark Magician
Not to mention the times when monsters randomly become other monsters like harpie sisters, the metal versions of zoa and red-eyes or dark sage.
Also how monsters just turn into their toon versions
I was under the impression that this was specifically just Duelist Kingdom and that Kaiba added a “Fusion Deck” alongside “Tribute Summoning” but I could be wrong.
@@WDinATX Perhaps but but ''rituals'' might have still be under those rules at the time. Battle city was just a weird mix of ''kinda real game but also not'' just like how you have the spells being able to be used as quick spells thing
@@JunkoEnoshima. Fair enough. It also explains why Zera the Mant was super duper expensive because people suddenly needed a rare physical card to do what they previously could’ve done without it.
"No matter what the situation, neither player can offer any monster as a Tribute." is the original text on Mask of Restrict's first printing. Tag duel? No tributes. Ritual Summon? No tributes. Category 4 hurricane warning blasting on the TV? No tributes. Parents fighting in the next room your dueling your friend over from? You know the answer.
The Edna Mode of old school Yu-gi-oh.
Wouldn’t Kaiba would have been attack Shining Abyss during his first turn? It was in Defense with only 800 points.
@@vernongomes Nobody can attack on the first turn of a tag duel.
@@Amitlu I thought it’s only for the team that goes first. At that point, everybody else has gone once. In GX with Syrus/Jaden vs Paradox bros, I believe the 4th person to go was able to attack.
@@vernongomes Well then the anime just adapted the duel wrong since why would they summon Shining Abyss in defense mode to begin with?
17:10 yes actually. In rush go they just introduced ritual summoning and suprise surprise it's from the extra deck 😊
Here's hoping that after Odion, Lumis/Umbra are the next DM characters to get legacy support as their Mask series of cards were really cool.
I honestly always just assumed that either the ritual monster cards were just being created magically or that they were extra deck monsters in the early anime. I always liked that idea when dueling with my friends too.
100%this is how early manga and GBA yugioh games work! Kind of like how dark magician girl is still on the field while magically “transformed” into a “fusion” dragon knight in the Rafael duel, but she isnt in the grave so Yugi takes less damage from Purity if the Cemetery
For a long time, I've wanted Konami to change the rules of Ritual monsters to make them more viable. Something like this:
1. A Ritual monster can be Special Summoned without a Ritual card from the hand by tributing monsters from the hand or field with the same total number of stars. Maybe make it so it can't attack this turn as the cost of circumventing the ritual.
2. A Ritual monster can be Special Summoned from the hand without tribute if an appropriate Ritual spell is activated.
3. A Ritual monster can be Special Summoned from the Deck or Graveyard by tributing monsters with the same or more stars from the hand or field when the appropriate Ritual spell card is activated.
This would give Ritual monsters a lot more flexibility, and minimize the instances of the monsters or spell cards being dead cards in hand. If you have one or the other, you have to sacrifice stuff to play it.
Fun fact at the end. if lumis just passed his turn instead of trying to flee it would be yugi's turn. He would take 500 damage because of mask of dispell on his multiply and lose the duel. Atleast he could kill yugi by throwing him to his death then some random could pick up Slifer.
Ironically enough in this tag team duel, it was Kaiba the main character who denounced the evils of truth and love
16:09 it definitely seems Ritual monsters are in the Extra Deck for Duelist Kingdom. We only see 3 (BLS, Magician of Black Chaos, and Relinquished), but in each case it's made clear what is in each player's hand, and the Ritual Monsters are definitely not in them.
@@iml908 Wasn't there a moment where yugi dueled noah and summon all 3 Magicians, including Black Magician of Chaos which is a Ritual, and it was commented as being in his Deck?
Card Exchange is clearly a card that was invented for the anime to explain how Lumis got enough cards to activate the Chosen One. Its such a dumb card that I assumed it could only be used on your partner in tagduels
The manga never kept track of handsizes (also he used less cards in general)
But he still is dumb for not attacking Alfa tho.
I can't tell if Kuriboh was scared of Obelisk, or was thinking "Holy crap, he's so cool!"
Lol i think i just figured it out. So follow me on this. They used the cursed doll or whatever. It basically negates the cost of masked cards. In the anime they are saying that the doll which is still up as well is negating the tribute cost on their side of the field. So with the doll up they can still tribute. It's kinda like how one of them is suppose to take 1000 LP every turn but he doesn't because the doll is negating that effect for them. So i think they made that doll card stronger so it is stopping the mask of restrict for them but not for Yugi and Kaiba. This is the only way i can even think of why they would be able to tribute any cards. Also it would make sense on why he was saying that yugi and kaiba can't tribute summon. In truth if this is the case then they did an amazing lock out on their opponent. Also yes tributing is a "cost" in the anime for anyone that doesn't know.
Tbh same
Been expecting this one for a long time
One (more) bit of shenanigans that seemed to be missed, when Umbra attacked Blue-eyes with Rogue Doll, Lumis would not be allowed to use Mask of Weakness on Blue-eyes, both the real life and anime versions of the card say that it has to be used on an attacking monster, so it would have defaulted to weakening Rogue Doll. Also for Valkyrion, I saw someone comment about the manga version of Mask of restraint and it made me want to check, it is a fusion monster and is contact fused in the manga so it falls under the same category as XYZ Dragon Cannon, which also explains why it could get de-fused.
19:08 No it's not "Chain Disappearance"
It's "Chain Destruction"
The teary face of Kuriboh when it sees Obelisk OTK Lumis and Umbra is hilarious.😂
28:12
Never have I ever expected you to say ‘I have the receipts’
It’s peak funny 😂
28:15 that's in the anime, those monsters don't appear in the final duel in the manga, that's why the magnet warriors don't have Shinning Sarcophagus retrains, yet. Meanwhile, this duel in the anime is much closer to the manga, that's why they can screw the rules so easily, why they can use DiFusion on a main deck monster that was contact tribute summon without tributing.
God I wish we actually got Magnet Shining Sarcophagus cards, the deck right now is either you can finish with Gandora or you are a sitting duck
03:14 Not gonna lie, Kuriboh marvelling at how amazing Obelisk looked was both funny and cute.
3:19 kuribo admiring the Egyptian god is the cutest thing ever
That's when Kuriboh decided to get a gym membership
Kuriboh all the homies love kuriboh
Worth noting that the official manga translation for Mask of Restrict in this duel is:
“Your opponent cannot offer any of his monsters as a Tribute”
Which does leave those loopholes open. Yugi merges his magnet warriors into Valkyrion, and Kaiba tributes monsters his opponent controls.
In Duelist Kingdom you did not need a Ritual Monster in your Hand, they are either Extra Deck Monsters or you can summon them from your Deck. Example for this is the duel between Yugi and Mai. Yugi draws Black Luster Ritual to summon Black Luster Soldier out of his Deck/Extra Deck. In the Virtual World and Waking the Dragons arc, which are also using most of the Battle City Rules, you need the Ritual and the Monster on your hand to do a ritual summon. You can see this during the duel between Yugi and Noah and Yugi/Kaiba vs Dartz. So I assume that in the Battle City arc you need both cards on your hand to do a ritual summon. As for the hand cards, it must be an animation error. They are having more or less cards in their hand then they should be all the time.
I think it’s a rule from the manga so none manga story arcs may not follow that rule
Ah yes, the Mooninites Steves. Two of my favorite of Steves. On the moon… 💀💀😂😂 I can’t take them seriously without thinking bout Little Kuriboh and the influence of Aqua Teen: Hunger Force had on these 2. 😂😂💀💀🤭🤭
14:30 I love the way the dub handles this, not gonna lie. Kaiba says he has a card in hand that could win him the duel easily, but "due to YOUR sloppy dueling I can't summon it, so it's better off in the graveyard." Lumis and Umbra have zero reason to suspect Kaiba is slipping a message to Yugi. Love this duel, and love the analysis as well.
On a side note, not to be that guy but can I toss my vote in the hat for an analysis of Yugi and Joey vs the Big Five in the digital world arc? Thanks man, you the best!
duel kingdom aside, where the rules were all over the place, this is probably the duel with the highest amount of shanenigans said in a video (aside the battle city finals compilations).
Also, I think both Yugi and Pegasus did not have Black Luster Soldier and Relinquished in their hands during Duel Kingdom.
My guy subtly finding out how Rush decided to do Rituals is DM based.
I remember having this duel in the only Yu-Gi-Oh dvd I ever had. Must’ve watched it 70 times. Good times.
Rituals from the extra would be a cool concept since it would just function as a second hand. A link archetype that uses spells to summon them properly could also be cool.
If they just made Ritual monsters extra deck monsters in the first place, it would have been a better mechanic
I've always thought Rituals should be an extra deck card, even back in the day, it feels like rituals were meant to parralel fusion monsters but somebody at konami just missed with memo, with rituals you have a specific spell but can use generic monsters, where as with fusions you have a generic "in that being Poly is how u fusion summon all fusion cards" spell but with specific monsters, since back in the day would need specific monsters for fusions typically, so it felt like they mirrored eachother almost, and rituals would have actually been a viable strategy with them in the extra deck instead of being practically useless unless made uber busted
That first tag team duel was over before it even began.
16:11 short answer: yes
Long answer:
In the manga neither ritual monsters nor fusion monster were real cards.
When you activate a ritual spell, the tributed monsters went to gy and you summon this "token" out of nowhere. While when you fusio summon, you overlay the 2 cards togheter and those cards become the new fusion monster.
In the anime it was kinda similar:
Fusion monsters were not really cards, but the 2 cards glued togheter by "poly". While i dont remember how they treated ritual monsters.
I kinda wish ritual monsters were extra deck compatible, they'd effectively become fusion monsters with strict criteria, but I'd honestly like them more like that than they are now.
Always love seeing a Duel Analysis from you! Absolutely love Kuriboh's reaction to Obelisk XD A look of real fear and awe from the furball
Been waiting on this duel, one of my favourite duels in Battle City. I'd love to have a retrain and archetype of the Masks/Masked Beast.
And I always assumed the Ritual Monsters were spawned in rather than present in the deck, so Extra Deck Ritual Monsters is probably most likely. Best I'd stretch to say is that Mask of Restrict prevents Tributes outside of Card Effects despite the text, idk.
Love it. Absolutely love it. I love your duel analysis videos. Here are a couple of other suggestions though for future videos
DM: Yugi and Joey vs The Big Five
Kaiba Vs Gozaburo
Kaiba vs Alister
Yugi vs Leon
Yugi Muto vs Yami Bakura Dawn Of The Dual
GX: Jaden vs Chazz Princeton when he was representing North Academy
Jaden vs Lyman Banner
Jaden vs Aster REMATCH
Jaden vs Sartorius
Hassleberry vs Jim
Jaden vs Viper
Jaden and Jessie vs Yasuke
Jaden vs Nightshroud
5D’S: Yusei vs Kalin REMATCH
Jack vs Carly
Yusei, Jack, and Crow vs Rex Goodwin
Leo and Luna vs Lester
Team 5D’S vs Team Ragnorok
Jack, Leo, and Luna vs Aporia
Yusei vs Z-ONE
Zexal: Yuma vs Vetrix
Yuma vs Eliphas
Nash Vs Vector
Yuma and Nash vs Don Thousand
Yuma vs Nash
Arc V: Jack vs Sergei
Yuya vs Jack
Yusho vs Yuri
Yuya vs Declan
If anyone else also has suggestions, I would (and I’m sure Sam would) love to know them!
He said he already added my selections to a list of his in a previous list, so Sam, I’m making this comment so people can add an analysis they’d like to see. I seriously love these videos thank you.
Thank you for conTRIBUTING this long awaited duel analysis. I can't wait for you to TRIBUTE the duel analysis, Yugi Vs. Bakura (Dawn of the Duel) & Kaiba Vs. Alister (Both duels) sometime in the future.
Bro I have been hoping for this duel analysis! I tried to analyze it myself and I legit felt that the mysterious cards drawn had at least been shown or mentioned on what they were on the yugioh wiki. Always great to see TGS make this analysis 😂
I love this duel. I was thinking maybe u could do a WRGP from 5ds duel in the future which is 3v3 back to back.Would be interesting.
Hyper-Bowl!? Lol. Hy-Per-Bow-Lee.
13:35 My money is that Kaibacorp/Industrial Illusions continuously errata's Yugi's cards, and he slowly powercreeps them down into game mechanics, since Kaiba is sick and tired of Yugi breaking the game so he wins.
24:20 Thanks, not I will never unsee it again
For the Ritual Being in the extra deck thing, from what I know of the games, yeah they seem to be appearing from the extra deck, but in the game where yugi (not atem) is facing bandit Keith being mind controlled by Marik, I do seem to remember in the dub, Yugi saying "that he also needed the Ritual Monster in hand"
Before posting my comment I decided to go check both Sub and Dub for this scene and a couple things to note:
1. In the Sub Yugi explains what the Zera Ritual Does, and says that There are only 3 copies of the Zera Ritual Monster in the world, then Bandit Keith shows the Ritual Monster, and yugi is surprised because it's such a rare card.
2. Yugi in the 4Kids Dub Says "I've never heard of the Zera Ritual Card Before...." but the statement that is relevant is what he says afterward, Yugi says "but activating a ritual card takes more than just talk. You also need to have the right monster card in your hand," and then Keith Shows Zera in his hand.
So depending on what you watched it seems to imply something different. However these were still with the rules from Dueliest Kingdom, which I doubt should've changed how ritual cards are played, but if we go by the 4kids dub, then this might've only applied to this duel of the 4 due to rule changes.
In the sub I don't think there is any inconsitencys with the idea that rituals are summoning from the extra deck.
It probably wasn't, but I remember this as the first appearance of the Magnet Warriors and to this day I still absolutely love them.
30:32 so I looked this up very recently. Manga Valkyrion states that it's not a physical card, but is summoned by combining the Magnet Warriors. Lol, almost sounds like Contact Fusion before GX came up with it.
When yugi tributes for valkyria in the future, he's doing so from his hand, in this duel they're all on the field so they're a contact fusion. It's bad logic, but it's anime logic
Its the logic of the anime trying to make cards closer to their TCG selves, despite the contradictions this leaves in earlier duels.
This was my first duel I ever watched as a kid. I got this dvd and a few booster packs and that’s how it started for me
I think Valkyrion is counted as a sort of fusion monster specifically in Battle City. It's the same reason why Yugi could tribute it to summon an Egyptian God Card under the rules of fusion (I can't remember if he does but it was always an option for him). Not to mention being able to use De-Fusion on it.
Also fun fact: if Yugi took one more turn, he would have lost from taking 500 damage from Mask of Dispel. It wouldn't have helped Lumis out at all, but it would have helped Marik to take Yugi out so early!
In all honesty, I've always been confused by Ritual Monsters. When I first read how they worked as an 11-year old kid, I figured they function like Fusions, but they exist in your main deck and have to be in your hand at the same time as the specific spell needed to summon them. However, I remember thinking "Are these really supposed to be in the main deck, not the Fusion deck? Fusions require specific materials, and Rituals require specific spells. Aren't these opposite methods to achieve the same thing?"
Later, Synchros came out, and my immediate thought was, "They're basically Rituals without the need for a specific spell and they're in the Extra deck", which made me think that Rituals were originally designed for the Extra deck and they just messed that up somewhere and were too embarrassed to fix it.
I still have that opinion to this day, and I think it would have made more sense for them to be Extra deck monsters, especially considering how they function in the manga, with one monster transforming into the Ritual monster after using the spell.
2:34 interesting editing mistake in the anime, Karina should have no cards in his hand at the beginning of his turn, due to playing everything last turn, yet you can see one sole card in his hand as he draws obelisk
With how you were describing the effects of Multiply as lingering/continuous, I kinda wish we had something like that for the TCG. A continuous spell/trap that lets you fill the field with Kuribohs during each Standby or End phase. It'd have to have multiple restrictions, but it could be a funny card!
27:43 Even without the manga as reference, I always interpreted Valkyrion as not being in the hand, being basically a contact fusion precursor, like Kaiba’s later XYZ monsters. Hence why De-Fusion works on it. So I don’t think it was even in his hand, much less a tribute. Obviously all later filler appearances match how the card works in real-life.
After a fashion, one needs to accept that mechanics and card effects may still retain some manga differences up to the end of Battle City, and everything after that confirms to there real-world rules except for different effects as written. Just what it is. Especially as many of these on-screen card texts wouldn’t have been readable without recording/pausing back in the to broadcast days in Japan.
28:20 Funny thing is, Yugi doesn't summon the Magna Warriors at all for that duel in the manga. The anime writers were probably working off the OCG card rules for them in the Yugi VS Atem duel, while this duel follows closer to the manga
Now we need Joey vs Zigfried and Yugi vs Gurimo.
The case of Gurimo is very interesting because not only has the seal of orichalcos but also OBELISK THE TORMENTOR.
Yeah I was thinking Gurimo would be interesting for that reason
That guy had a NAME!?
Mask of restrict is edited by the anime the same way dark necrofear was and made both duels loopy. Here its ment to just stop opponents tributes, and necrofear had more exact summoninh conditions in the manga. Had to be summoned by banishing 3 fiends that were destroyed in the last 5 turns.
29:59 wouldn’t yugi lose to effect damage on his next turn? Or would the mask card be gone by then?
In that Zera the Mant example, Keith had both Zera and Zera Ritual in his hand. He even showed them to Yugi before playing them.
The text of Valkyrion even says the 3 magnet warriors must be tributed. Absolute shenanigans
It's a manga->anime/attempted balance card game issue.
They must really love bondage at konami
As per Ritual monsters coming from the extra deck in original Yu-Gi-Oh, the VERY FIRST ritual summon of all time was BLS, and Yugi didn't have that card in hand when he activated Black Luster Ritual.
Also, obscure ref, in the Yu-Gi-Oh game Dark Duelist Story when you summon a ritual monster they come right outta nowhere (though they require specific cards for the ritual)
With regards to Lumis and Umbra being unaffected by the effects of Mask of Restrict, I've always interpreted it as an effect of Masked Doll (which has the vague text "A doll that takes ally-affecting mask curses upon itself"). To me this means that Lumis and Umbra are unaffected by the (negative) effect of Mask cards including both the cost of Mask of Brutality and the tribute restriction of Mask of Restrict.
Lumis' comment is related to this interaction between Mask of Restrict and Masked Doll (although in the real world it would apply to Lumis and Umbra the players not their field). So the later tribute summon of Obelisk is still legal under the vague interpretation of Battle City rules. The "Tribute summon" of Valkyrion and the "tributing" of the Magnet Warriors is just semantics as it is treated as a Contact Fusion
17:06 About being the only Yugituber noticing about Ritual Monsters in anime being extra deck monsters, well... There's a brazilian youtuber called "Rafael" from the channel "Qualquer Coisa", in the video "A PIOR invocação em Yu-Gi-Oh! é a MAIS IMPORTANTE", he talks about how Ritual Monsters appeared kinda of nowhere and about the lore behind Ritual Summon. In a translation "If they (Konami) had focused on what Takahashi did. Maybe this problem could never existed (Ritual Summon being garbage). In the start of the series, the monsters simply appeared when the cost was paid, like any extra deck summon after GX. All of them are incredibly viable and still used today, because they're relatively cheap to the player, using at minimum two cards, and have an easy way to summon, coming from outside the main deck. Exactly like the Takahashi's ritual summon idea".
Sorry if my english is bad, it's my second language and portuguese is a really hard to translate language.
It's crazy since Valkyrion in the Manga WAS a Fusion Monster so the whole "Bypassing Mask of Restrict" made more sense and even De-Fuse... but in the anime it's like "MEH, SCREW IT".
Like a lot of things in this duel, the reason why Valkyrion was able to be defused with de-fusion is because it was a fusion monster in the manga, basically functioning the same way the XYZ monsters do. So since this was the first appearance of the card and was going off how it worked in the manga, when it was De-fused it should have gone to the extra deck, or more likely just despawned since extra decks weren't a thing that this point in the series.
Also had Lumis not freaked out and tried to run, he could have at least eliminated Yugi since he was about to lose due to Mask of Despell. He only had 500 life points left and Kaiba choose to take out Umbra instead, so unless Yugi drew something like MST that could save him during the draw phase, he would have lost. Misplay to Lumis and misplay to Kaiba, who could have prevented this by attacking Lumis instead.
About the ritual monsters. In the manga and gba games they were like extra deck monsters. For example BLS required gaia the fierce knight specifically + 2 tributes
I always thought Valkyrion, in this duel specifically, was one of those non-extra deck extra monsters. Something similar to, say, the Forbidden Memories or Sacred Cards games where you just need the components of the end resulting card but not the end result itself. Like in Yugi's duel with Mai in Duelist Kingdom when he used the Black Luster Ritual or the Black Magic Ritual against Pegasus. He didn't HAVE Black Luster Soldier or Magician of Black Chaos in his hand but the rituals summoned them anyway. Now later on they made that more of a thing of the monster card needing to be in the hand as, ironically, I think Yugi used Valkyrion as the full cost for both these two (I could be mistaken but DEFINITELY for M.B.C.). But for its first time appearing I think it just was able to be manifested through Alpha, Beta and Gamma's non apparent ability to fuse. At least that's what I figure. Could be mistaken or maybe it was even different in the manga as some have pointed out with the technicality on Mask of Restrict in the Manga compared to here.
The amount of times Lumis said shadow realm in this duel along with magic shadow box was nauseating. I loved the breakdown Sam
I love how you kept saying TRIBUTE throughout the video.
Shenanigans afoot. 😂
Since most everyone is focusing on Mask of Restrict, here's one bit I noticed: had Lumis not forfeited, he could've essentially kamikazed Yugi by ending his turn. Yugi would have lost the remainder of his life points to Mask of Dispel.
Technically, Yugi wouldn't have lost because for tag duels, both players need to be defeated, but his charges would've gone off, and Yugi would've fallen down the building.
Also, had Masked Beast attacked Yugi directly, couldn't Kaiba use his Blue-Eyes to intercept the attack anyway?
Future _DUEL ANALYSIS_ idea: Yusei Fudo, Jack Atlas, and Crow vs. Rex Goodwin (5Ds Season 1); or, Jaden Yuki vs. Darkness (GX Season 4). 😁
He could’ve took Kaiba’s hand and that was the superior play but summoning Obelisk would’ve been a fuck up. It would’ve struck him down for not having ties to Ancient Egypt
on that last turn could lumis not just end his turn to make yugi lose to the effect of mask of dispel
Hoping we'll be getting more of the battle city duels like arcana for the dark magician girl debut and strings for the slifer debut
That masked of restrict card might as well have said that, "you cannot piss backwards on Fridays....wearing crocs only" 😂
Your videos are awesome. Thanks for doing this one
Mask of Restrict: "Why'd you guys even invite me if you're gonna ignore me like that?"
Edit: TF you mean he used De-Fusion on Valkyrion?!