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spare part prices. e.g. VST filter on a F40A is around $90. To fix this, Yamaha wants close to a grand as it involves removing the CST and they wanted to change the pump too. Their warranty is as valuable as the paper its written on. Filter lasted 10 hours on a new install and they were trying to deny the claim. Only way they honored it is because the service manager said and I quote, " I've eaten a ton of warranties for you, you are eating this one!". Five days in a marina to fix it while we lived aboard. Cost close to a grand anyway. Their own certified Yamaha tech told them what the problem was and they refused to budge forcing the service manager to lose it. Apart from that, their engines are great. No complaints once I ditched their filter for a custom SS3166 ultra fine mesh. Because the replacement lasted all of a year till it too died. I'm also not the only one this has happened to. So yeah, warranties are great but if you have to struggle to get it honored with 10 hours on the clock, its worthless. Then you are on your own and need to buy parts. For me, I wouldn't piss on Yamaha and their warranty department if they were on fire. I'd love to know if Mercury or any other manufacturer actually honors warranties and provides reasonable priced spare parts. Particularly consumables.
All 4 turd stroke junk. lets see one run with just oil injection and no oil changes tilted in any position. It would nice to se moden DFI 2 stroke v8's option for muscle cars/trucks.
Buying a transom mount engine is a massive investment today . I spent 6 months deliberating before pulling the trigger . What sold me was in incredible harsh environments like the North Canada polar regions , governments , explorer's, and native folk mostly had Yams hung over the transom. Good enough for them, me to . 3 years later I'm very happy . F15
As someone who works on boat motors daily im speaking from experience. Yamaha is a tight very well made motor the design simplicity and quality are hands down the best availabe even the paint on the yamaha outboards are gorgeous. Mercury has made a ton of clunkers over the years theres no doubt about it. The optimax and the supercharged verados had alot of issues, i really enjoy the supercharged verados and they will last but they always seem to need something which is crappy if you have no outboard experience. Mercury has easy and simple maintainance on the new motors. Back to yamaha, aside from oil changes and maintainance you will litterally never touch them 99% of the time. Yamaha comes with a better steering system, exterior fuel water seperator and a carbon exhaust system for the fuel tank, no mercury comes with that. There were a couple years some yamahas like the 225hp had [2000-2005] corrosion issues but most are still ticking even with it. Mercurys fine but yamahas better, yamahas made of metal, mercury is a mix of plastic, metal and crappy alloys.
Yup. go to any marina with a lot of serious fishing guides, guys that are on the water 200+ days a year - they'll all tell you they only run yamaha. There's a damn good reason for that.
Good job of comparing the two manufactures. I've had a 1987 Yamaha Prov150 that was still running strong until 2023, no major repairs after 35+ years of use. Recently purchased a new boat that has a Mercury 150 ProXS. Hope the Mercury lasts at least a decade without issues, time will tell. Both companies build great outboards.
I just took delivery on a new boat yesterday that has the Mercury 150 ProXS hanging off the back. In my area the dealers all offer Mercury and they're all praising these motors, even the ones like the video that sell multiple brands. I just sold a 1994 Spectrum boat that had a 90hp Force (formally Chrysler Marine) 2 stroke by Mercury Marine that ran strong. I'm confident in my choice, but like you said "time will tell." Happy boating!
I had a 50 hp Honda since 2000 and had no problems. As my family grew I needed more horse power. After a lot of research I went with a Yamaha F70 due to it's power to weight ratio. No one else was even close. That was 3 years ago and I have no regrets.
Had a honda 90hp last me well over 1000 hours before I sold it. It never really gave me any issues. IMO yamaha and honda are the two best. It also depends on the weight category. Curent Yamaha 50's and 60's are the same engine, former having a restrictor plate. The honda 50 is lighter, but the honda 60 is nearly as heavy as the Yamaha f70.
I'm a Merc Man and always have been, but I have to give credit where it is due with Yamaha's quiet operation and reliability. This video was a thorough review and an honest comparison of the two leading outboard manufacturers👍. Johnson/Evinrude RIP
I have owned Evinrudes, Johnsons, Yamahas and Mercurys. I currently have an F300 Yamaha and am very impressed by the digital throttle system and the telemetry provided through the integrated Yamaha Digital Network Gauge system. This is my second Yamaha outboard and I could not be more pleased.
And it has been everyone's experience that complex digital controls in the automotive world are flawless. The marine environment can only improve on that success.
I have had both Yamaha and Mercury's on my multiple boats over the years. In my experience, my Yamahas have been more reliable and the Mercs have been better performing, but have broken down a lot!!!
I have had both over 45 years of boating ,mercury being my favorite.the Yamaha engines ran good but every year a new problem would emerge unrelated to fuel ,so many headaches and issues ,mercury has a simple design as opposed to a complex one. years tell the story.
For me, Made In USA matters, remember the Bob Hope commercial decades ago? I have been boating for 40+ years and all my three boats, one at a time, are SeaRays with matching Mercruisers. Very happy with them.
You should maybe go out right now and buy a lottery ticket, because you're currently one of the luckiest boat owners out there. The Optimax engines are widely regarded by all of us outboard engine mechanics to be total pieces of crap. I mean, there's a reason they stopped making them. The maintenance cost of keeping them running far outweigh any savings you may have imagined. Have you done the math?
Man im poor I've been running a 1986 mercury 90hp for 13 years I fish alot and I've replaced 1 coil in 13 years as far as egine problems .... same fuel pump same everything fires up Everytime
Like the honesty of your video. I tell whoever asks. Between Yamaha, Mercury and Suski, you really can't go wrong. Each have their issues. I'm a Mercury man myself.
Both engines are currently equivalent. I am a sea professional in tourism and work around 1200 hours / year. I sold Yamaha 300 BETX at 6680 hours in 2021 and they ran until August 2023. Currently I have a pair of 300 mercury pro XS which runs very well, very torquey engine and more economical than the Yamaha, they currently have 1722 hours with maintenance followed to the letter. only real problem, I changed 2 trim motors which were under warranty. Let's see how many hours these pro XS will last!
I ran a 99 merc 115 two stroke for 11 years…not one bit of problem except tough to start at times but ran strong! I’ve just purchased a merc 115 pro xs to put on my sea ray….can’t wait for spring.
My brand new Lund (a Brunswick Company) boat gave me a choice of Mercury (also a Brunswick Company) or Honda motor when I ordered the boat. I chose the Mercury since I'd had great luck (33 years and still going strong) with my previous Mariner outboard (Mariner was a division of Mercury when I purchased the boat/motor in 1990).
Those Honda outboards are nice. We know someone that has the 150 VTEC on their boat and they have had zero issues with it. The only reason I would choose the Mercury instead is because there’s no Honda outboard dealerships where I live and nobody works on them. Parts and service are hard to get if they do happen to break.
I have had both for the last 35 years. Yamaha used to have the reliability edge by a long shot. Mercury uses better metal and the corrosion issues aren’t near as bad. Now Mercury has gone to the top for me. Quiet and powerful and they have more options for every application.
Mercury now has its own forgery..and all they do is outboards. Mercuiser is a different company than mercury marine.. their engineering is getting better by the minute.. more merc dealer's than any other.
@@samciarametaro2705 I was originally wanted to purchase a g2 225 HO, i waited to see a tug of war challenge with the new mercs. Never happened. Then evinrude ceased production. I ended up getting a pro xs 225. No Regrets.
Good intel thx. I am downsizing from a Volvo-penta diesel boat to a center console with a F150 Yamaha. I have run the CC boat around 20 hours so far and can tell you that Yamaha really has their act together and am actually looking forward to doing my first service on it in a couple of months.. no more working in the bilge for me!
Had the old tall straight 6 115 Merc on our family runabout in the 80's - we never had a single moments trouble and she sang a beautiful tune! When I bought my own boat it had a Yamaha V4 130 - she was very thirsty but sang hr own beautiful song and also never a moments trouble. I then bought a bigger boat 21 footer with a Yamaha ProV 200 never a moments trouble and she growled like a lioness! Magic lasting memories of great times with family and friends. Thank you for a great review, I thoroughly enjoyed all the comments! Greetings from South Africa🤙 😎
I have Evinrude 70 for almost 30 years now, on a RIB in salt water. This thing runs without any problems even today. I think I'm gonna go after Mercury 115 xspro as my next one. Greets from Slovenia 🇸🇮
Like you said, buy the product that is well represented in your area. We have 4 boats running 150HP four stroke mercury engines. After 1000h first engine broke down and the rep in Lagos replaced the faulty part since its still under warranty. Others are just running fine. So for now mercury is well represented here and we love the performance so far
@@wazup3333 Luckily we have a good and nice mercury dealer here in Lagos, he sorted it out for free and also told me this is the second engine they will experience this type of issue on over 200 engines sold
@@wazup33333100 hours on twin 300 mercs. Had one alternator go out at 1900 and had zero issues or weird noises. Can’t complain about the new style at all. Old ones meh but new are great
Good question..I currently have a 1989 88 hp Johnson spl. Best outboard I've ever had..still runs like new has 1956 hrs on it. Yes I keep track. Just keep up with maintenance and don't abuse it it will run forever..
Big fan of my 115 Mercury Pro XS. Its so quiet at idle I have to check the tach gauge to see if its running from the helm. Fuel economy is also amazing on my 18 foot Tahoe. Last week I did 43 miles on the lake, lots of it pulling an innertube. Only used 8 gallons of fuel. Also very easy to service as far as the gear and engine oil.
Seriously.. because I'm interested in getting a 115 pro xs. for my 17ft sunbird ski boat.. currently I have a 1989 88 hp Johnson spl. Excellent outboard it still runs like new.but...the gas mileage is horrible. Comes out to 3 mpg going just on plane. I need to fill up 12 gallons 2x if I'm out all day.
@@samciarametaro2705 Dead Serious.I use to have a small 14 foot fiberglass boat with a 60 hp mercury 2 stroke. I would use 12 gallons of fuel a day to go 35 miles on the water at about 20-25 mph. I can do that same speed and distance with this new 115 merc on my bigger 18 foot boat and use half the fuel. This new 115 pro xs motor is no joke.
@@BlancoLobo good to know...I live in Salisbury Massachusetts near the ocean.lots of dealer's here. My metc dealer suggested the 115 pro xs. For speed for my size boat.. thanks for the update.makes my decision better. 1 more question..how is the corrosion in salt water?
@@samciarametaro2705 I know the new mercury engines have built in hose flushing attachments. But I live inland and only have freshwater lakes around me in the midwestern us.
@@BlancoLobo Are you serious? My 20' Allison with a 1996 225 Merc would get 7mpg at 50 mph. You are getting 3 at 25mph??? WTF? My current 2005 25' Nordic Rage with a supercharged 496 is as good or better than your 60hp Merc on fuel and it weighs 4000 lbs.
I currently have a 200 Opti on my Ranger and a 200 Yamaha 4 stroke on my Bennington tri-toon. Each motor performs great for each application. No complaints so far.
Definitely think you can’t go wrong. My main power is a mercury and my kicker is a Yamaha. Both have provided hundreds of hours of trouble free service. I am a big fan of other Yamaha power sports products but would probably go mercury again for my next large outboard.
My last boat sold a year ago had a Suzuki. It was fine, but there were no reputable/competent dealers and techs within 60 miles. I live in a rural area. I recently ordered a new boat that only came with Mercury, Sun Tracker pontoon. I have 4 competent techs and factory authorized service centers within 15 miles. Hopefully the Mercury will be reliable but if something does go wrong it's nice to know I don't have to drive over steep mountains to get to a technician.
Have had 5 yamaha powered boats 21-26’ over a 30 year period. In all those years and boat, one fouled sparkplug and one water pump impeller (my fault). They are very reliable.
I have a 2006 Yamaha outboard 50HP 4 stoke. I’ve had it for over 10 years now, NEVER had a single issue with it. Of course, I’ve been using non-ethanol gas from day 1 and get it serviced regularly. My Yamaha outboard has been more reliable than my car! My vote goes for YAMAHA FOR SURE!!! I have a friend who bought a brand new Mercury 50 HP four stroke, he started having issues as soon as he got it. Yamaha 50HP seems to be faster than Mercury 50 HP too and DEFINITELY MORE RELIABLE!!! YAMAHA IS THE WAY TO GO, PERIOD!!! 👍😎
I have an 88 hp Johnson spl. 1989.. over 32 yrs old. Never had an issue with it... Never rebuild always starts. Have over 1700 hrs. If you take care of an outboard it will be good to you..
one example isnt indicative of the whole picture, my first boat was a 1974 sea ray with a merc 150 that didnt have a problem til1989, when replaced with a new 1989 merc 150 which i think is still running today on a friends boat i sold it to him with no issues ever....this doesnt mean i wouldnt take a yammy, as i have seen a lot of people with problems with them but also seen a lot running for manyy years, bottom line two good brands, keep up with maintanence and youll have a reliable engine, one off problems straight from manufacturer happen in every industry now and then
I'd personally go Yamaha in the sub 150 hp range and Mercury in plus 150 hp range. As for the 150 hp outboard itself it's really great from both brands, hard to go wrong. Always check the gearing, speed range and propeller selection, that might be a deciding factor for your boat.
It would have been helpful to get an analysis from a MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE emphasizing ease of working on the two competing products, cost of routine and non-routine maintenance, availability of spare parts and supply chain/expected delivery time for those parts across the various manufacturers. Several years ago I was enrolled a marine technology vocational program through a local community college that offered ABYC (American Boat and Yacht Council) training and certification. Suzuki had donated 20+ outboards to the vocational program for us students to tear into along with the supporting technical manuals. I have got to say that I was thoroughly impressed with the Suzuki product. Personally I found their technical publications easier to read. in some cases I found getting access to perform the various maintenance tasks slightly easier on the Suzuki. I am in the market to buy a new 250 hp outboard and I will likely go with the Suzuki as a result of that exposure. Before I had attended the marine training course Suzuki would not have been on my mind. When you stated that both Mercury and Yamaha are excellent products you will get no argument from me. I would add Suzuki to that statement as well. I am not paid by or compensated by Suzuki or any other marine product manufacturer in any way whatsoever. I though the best point you made-outstanding really- was the link between the availability of support and service being a key factor in deciding on which engine to purchase. If you rely on somebody else to maintain your outboard engine then being able to access that service is key and very likely should be the deciding factor when considering which engine to purchase. Personally, I would want to do all my own maintenance. That way I control the quality (only limited by my own knowledge/skill) and time frame (job gets done according to my effort (given parts availability)) and I save on labor costs (not my highest priority, people deserve to be compensated for their skill set, time and effort) plus I ENJOY the work. The work is both interesting, educational and rewarding. Finally, cost should have been included in this analysis. It is obvious why dealerships try and not divulge cost as there are many variables. As a consumer the lack of transparency and availability of easy to understand cost information is troubling. If Foothills Marine had provided a generalized breakdown according to horse power on say an identical service job on the two might have provided some useful information. Your shop labor rate is going to be the same. Why not compare the cost of a 20 hour and 100 hour inspection(s) on a low and high horse-power model from each manufacturer? You went into detail explaining the different extended warrantees offered by the two competing manufacturers, but again completely omitted the dollar amount charged by each manufacturer for that coverage. Foothills Marine knows consumers place a great emphasis on cost; omitting any meaningful cost analysis detracts from the quality of this video big time! You told us that they both "look cool" and get good fuel economy, but did not provide any numbers on fuel economy. Why was there no demonstration/test on identical boats loaded to the same weight? Foothills Marine obviously has an attractive dealership, access to most if not all of the information your viewers (who may be considering a purchase are interested in). Foothills Marine already put in the time, effort and cost in producing this quality video. Not including the maintenance perspective or any meaningful cost information seems like a serious oversight to me. This video begins by criticizing a dealership for only recommending the product that they sell. Then this same video goes on to do exactly the same thing by essentially declaring it a tie (in the comments and video content) and recommending only what they sell. "Yamaha vs Mercury.. and the winner is" is entertaining clickbait. I have never been associated with "Foothills Marine" this was my first exposure to this company. None of my criticism is coming from any kind of personal animosity. I am trying to continue to educate myself about outboards which is why I viewed this video in the first place. I wish Foothills Marine every success. _ Respectfully
Thank you for such an insightful and constructive review! We completely understand the callout about not being specific enough - and you're exactly right: there are so many variables between both brands at different horsepowers that it's difficult to delve into EVERYTHING. For now, we hope to provide a good comprehensive overview of the two brands and their product offerings. On the horizon, however, you've certainly inspired us to do more in-depth breakdowns between specific models. For example, a Yamaha 250 SHO vs. Merc 250 FourStroke would be an excellent time to dive into fuel consumption, engine performance, and all the specs we can think of. We're more than happy to discuss prices for things such as service jobs, and you propose a great solution: compare the cost of a 20 hour and 100 hour inspection on a low and high HP model from both Yamaha and Mercury. That's an excellent suggestion. We're actually in the middle of writing a "Cost of Boat Service' script and will be sure to include that! Again - we appreciate your comment and time. Thanks for helping make our video series better.
@@FoothillsMarine Thank you for the thoughtful reply. You already put out a quality video, engaging, interesting and "fun" to watch. The individual doing most of the presentation did an outstanding job, for all I know that individual may have been a professional actor. Everything about the video was top notch, everything you covered that is. I was hungry for technical data and information. Unless you are prohibited by Yamaha or Mercury may I recommend you discuss the actual costs of the extended warrantees. I am assuming that those costs are uniform between dealerships and would not put you at a competitive disadvantage. Anyhow, thank you again! I subscribed and will be looking forward to whatever else Foothills Marine decides to add to your TH-cam presence. - Respectfully..
@@apackwestbound5946 Great suggestion. As far as we're aware, there aren't any restrictions about how dealerships divulge warranty pricing. We'll dig into that to make sure though. And that's the best comment we can hear! Our marketing manager, Mason, scripts, shoots, and edits all of the videos on our channel. He's not an actor by any means, but appreciates your feedback! 🤣
Havent used either one. I have an evinrude etec on my '96 tracker and absolutely love it. But i have an '06 yamaha 350 grizzly and its been absolutely flawless. So if the outboards are like their quads, yamaha is the way to go.
Too bad BRP put Evinrude in the dirt once and for all. Most two stroke Evinrude owners I see at the marina are swapping out to mercury since spare parts will become more and more scarce even though BRP sold off their parts division to Mercury.
Computer failure was a big thing with the etec. They performed well and were really good mechanically but the brains unit was their weakness and you don't want that when you are 40 - 50 miles offshore. I went to a Yamaha and it has now done nearly 700 hrs without any problems. Great motor.
Both are excellent motors! Outboard technology has improved significantly over the past 10 years. As someone pointed out, gearing/prop selection/and lower unit lengths are important based upon hull design. And I have seen some large center console cats with multiple outboards that I wouldn’t hesitate to capture salmon/halibut or lingcod in Alaska. There’s a few spots up there with one of those you would be back bbqing when everyone else is just putting their lines in 😂
Both great motors and I would say the deciding factor would be servicing dealers in your area. I currently run a Mer 115 Pro XS and have been very pleased with the performance. The motor runs so quiet sometimes I forget its running.
Here in sweden if you get a new mercury it will not be stolen. BUT if you get a yamaha in soon stolen and on a truck on the way to east europe. Yamaha durability is no1
@@Ekmanjohnny its because the world market is more akin to seeing yammy, merc being an american product you will see much more merc here especially all over fla, one is not seen here as being any more reliable, probably much easier support network for yammy in eur and asia
I bought a mercury verado 250 on my pontoon boat. I’m on my third shift control module and the trim switch has been replaced. It’s a 2020 model. Kinda blows a hole in the theory all new outboards are reliable 😅
Actually it is not that simple. Not all dealers…. Merc’ or Yam’ are good. In the Caribbean, Central and South America, Yamaha tends to be poorly supported where Mercury has numerous well performing g dealerships.
good video. I have to say I am a die hard 2 stroke mercury person myself. you can keep the 4 strokes. ive got a 2004 50 hp mercury on my center console and I love it. if it ever needed re powered its getting another mercury, with another 2 stroke lol
The Mercury 300 V8’s and 400v10’s are incredible. They are kicking Yamaha’s ass in development. Yamaha has stayed stagnant. The 4.2 L Yamaha has been proven to be insanely reliable and the best power head Yamaha has ever built. I have run twin 2020 250 Suzuki outboards on a work boat and they are pure trash. Over 2000 hours between 6 engines and nothing but electrical issues, corrosion and lots of other stuff. Their lowers were pretty impressive though. I’ll give ‘em that. At the end of the day the new Mercury V8 and V10 engines are the choice.
I personally have the Yamaha F300 and absolutely love the motor and the DEC. I always get comments from Merc owners about how incredibly smooth the gear changes are, from neutral to forward, or even forward to reverse to clear out the weeds. Merc's shift hard, Yamaha shifts so smooth, that's the big difference IMO.
@@alexnutcasio936 It really isn't fair to compare my electronic to their mechanical mechanism. The Yamaha is much smoother and quieter compared to my neighbors Merc 300. I purchased the F300 due to my trusted mechanic friend that is a master mechanic recommendation to get a Yamaha with DEC and couldn't be happier.
Just picked up a 2010 Yamaha fx115 doing a repower on an old boat, got rid of the force 125, but I wish there was more on the rigging part like is there any special circuit boards that need to be installed I do have the whole harness and controls, but what is a command link hub Assembly and do I need it to hook up my engine ?
As a dealer you know that the 40-60 hp class Mercury's are all are made in China and the 30 HP and below Mercs are all made by Tohatsu. At any rate the comparison should be between Yamaha and Suzuki in mid-range HP class. Who cares about who has the best motors for the huge HP class :) if you have that much money repowering at 500 hours is no problem. Most all major makers are producing great performing motors....but for the common man in the mid-range HP class, I think 9 out of 10 guys that put a lot of hours on the ocean would say Yamaha over Merc, but pick Suzuki over either. But the later G1 E-tec's were better than either in all aspects but suffered from bad marketing.
Suzuki and Yamaha are amongst the few that makes all the engines themself. I only buy Suzuki cause they are cheaper than Yamaha and has longer warranty.
Looking for joystick must have sea keeper therefore, I’m looking at salt water engine. Most likely at least 30 foot may be a little bigger. It sounds like mercury is the engine I need to have is that correct? First time Purchasing recreation boat
Both are great brands! My dad had a Mercury growing up, and it was nothing but problems it seemed like... I have an old '87 115HP Yamaha on my 17' and it works great! Minus $5 a lap pulling a tube ($4.98/gal Rec fuel). But I also have a backup '02 Mercury 115HP that was great on my grandpa's boat! I don't think any compare to my '95 Evinrude DELUXE 4HP on my fishing boat!!! LOL
My '79' "tower of power" Mercury 140 still rocks. Got an old 65hp Mercury from the early 60's on the rack that fires and goes too. Do all my own work, might be talking to the wrong crowd here....
@@catlifeoutdoors6369 that is good to hear!! being older, I get nervous! But i also like older stuff, as it seems to run well, when properly maintained! The lower unit has been replaced, and the boat with with paperwork showing they spent a decent penny on some electrical issues that it had. Fingers crossed that is all set now....
@@Stunningandbrave nice!! i have no issue working on vehicles, but this is still new to me, working on outboard engines... but I feel more comfortable each time I work on it, and learn something new.
No doubt that Yamaha is very reliable, but they've made very little investment in improving their offerings over the last 10+ years. The only thing "new" has been their 5.6L V8 motors (425/450hp) and that was because they had to come up with a replacement for their 5.3L V8 (350hp) that was destroying flywheels regularly. Other than that, they just change the look of the cowlings and put NEW on their website for the same product 3 years running. Understandably, they want to keep things simple to maintain their reputation for reliability, which has served them well. They are the Toyota/Lexus to Mercury's BMW/Mercedes-Benz/Porsche (at least in the 200+hp range).
@@FoothillsMarine Full disclosure: I've owned boats with both Mercury and Yamaha from 40hp to 385hp. No issues with any of them, but I take good care of my stuff.
What about Evinrude? I’m starting the research process for my bass boat currently has an 86 mercury 150 black max but with omissions restrictions more and more lakes are banning the old two strokes so I’m looking at mercury Yamaha or Evinrude
I have had 8 boats over the years. EACH time I never looked at performance specs or opinions. I chose one motor time after time after time for one reason. I'm a fisherman, and fish very remote waters. Only one brand has service almost every place. In every small town, at every lake, at every tiny hamlet. MERC ! An extra HP or some miniscule fuel efficiency means nothing. The ability to get quick service or parts so a trip is not ruined is EVERYTHING !!!
Congratulations for the comparison test. I am just about to choose between a Yamaha 200hp 4 cylinder 2.8 cc and a Mercury 200hp 6 cylinder 3.4 cc. Would it be possible to have your opinion and a mini comparison on these two engines? Thanks in advance and keep it up!
All an average outboard manufacturer can do is follow Merc. And pray to cling five years behind them. Merc. Engineering dept is legendary even to NASA.
What's incredible about mercury is that's all they do is outboards..and they have their own forgery and cast their own engines. No one else has this in their factory's
I have a 2016 Boston Whaler 210 Montauk with a 2016 Evinrude E-TEC 200HP HO. I just can't get any service in my area on the E-TEC and after hurricane Ian damage the E-TEC needs about a $5/6k of work. So, I've been thinking about repowering. Thoughts on the Yamaha inline 4 cylinder 200HP compared to the Mercury FourStroke V6 200HP outboards? (Dealer support is about the same in my area)
Not for me. My 75 Merc is a fat toad and feels more like a 50hp 2 strokes that I have owned. The heavy 75 Merc has nowhere near the punch that my Johnson 70 had.
I have personally have a 6HP Mercury Outboard from 2023 on my small inflatable boat and it has been a dream, starts constantly on first pull no problems given it is a new outboard, I haven’t had the opportunity to try Yamaha although my friend has one with 30hp and he said it has been fantastic and reliable since 2006
After sixty years of boating … fishing, diving and commercial ocean work, my knee jerk reaction is that these are both fine manufacturers and I have used a bunch of both in varying displacement and applications. I think this was an an excellent review and reasonably balanced. I would concur that both will do the job(s) relatively equally but I agree with the reviewer that the higher power outboards are pro-Mercury all the way. For me, if I need one or more outboards over 100HP each, I always go with Mercury. I admit that as former Navy… I lean towards American brands. And finally, I think the reviewer missed a very key point in that it matters very little which of these two brands you purchase unless you take very good care of these machines… especially in a saltwater environment… you are going to have problems and surprises… most of which will be bad.
Great point! Taking care of your boat and engine are INTEGRAL to getting its intended performance. Thank you for your comment! We appreciate the insight.
I’m about mechanic at an actual boat dealership Yamaha is waaaaay better you will never touch it unless for routine maintenance like oil changes. Literally just oil changes The only thing I ever work on every day is mercury because they are constantly breaking down. I never see a Yama unless it’s an oil change.
What about their reliability and replacement parts affordability? Which brand offers more affordable replacement parts? Which brand breaks down or needs repair more often?
its clear Mercury has grown in leaps and bounds, theyre both great with a wide range of features...Ive had yamahas and mercurys and my yamahas were vastly more dependable and less rust prone but Id be happy with either one.
I’ve grown up with Yamaha’s. For me i personally would always choose Yamaha but a few friends of mine have mercs and they are also pretty good. I am comfortable with both Yamaha and Mercury.
Yamaha are the most reliable so that's more important on a boat than on a car. If your car breaks down, you can get out and wait for help without any issues. If your boat engine breaks down, you could be on the rocks before you know it or turned sideways to the waves.
Great review, but there is a glaring omission. Our host mentions mercury’s joy stick control and that Mercury uses, paraphrasing here, cutting edge technology. The host mentions Yamahas slow trolling feature but fails to talk about the plethora of advanced features of Yamahas joy stick system, the Helm master EX that works with Yamahas digital motors, (Mercury verados are all digital and are what is required for their joy stick system) In addition to the slow trolling feature there is a spot lock feature which will hold the bow or the stern into the wind, there is also drift point that will follow a route you set up with speed to slowly navigate the boat over a reef, wreck or other structure and then if desired will hold the boat at the end of the route. The helm master EX will also function with your mfd and act as an auto pilot for headings and speed and upon arrival will slow the boat and hold it in that position. Yamaha wrote the book on joy stick controls and are by far and away the best in this area.
I have a 2012 150hp optimax pro xs 1yr freshwater on a ski boat ; the rest all skinny saltwater on a flats boat.No issues other than regular maintenance . I just recently purchased a new 2023 Mercury115hp xs to put on a new 18’ skiff that should draft 6”’s or less. We will offer Yamaha also with the new skiff we are manufacturing here in PALACIOS,Tx
Great Video! Picking the New and Improved Mercury made in America. We need all the manufacturing dollars we can get. Just Bought the Ranger RB20 with A 150.
I purchased a new 25 foot Robalo center consul and my dealer offered Yamaha or Mercury, I decided on the Mercury for two primary reasons; first, Mercury was a V8 where the Yamaha was a V6 and second mercury is made in the USA which is very attractive to me. it also did not hurt that the Mercury was black and the Yamaha gray or white as the hull of my boat is all black and the mercury was aesthetically more pleasing. I only have one season on the boat/outboard, but to date I have had no problems with either.
both offer great power packages, however Mercury has the edge with a very rich racing history and extensive durability testing. Verado 300's for me please!
@FoothillsMarine Deal. Atually, it will be delivered to me THIS coming Thursday at Schaefer's headquarters, in Florianópolis, BR. I placed an order for it last October at the São Paulo Boat Show.
I've had nothing but great things from Yamaha Outboards. As a Rowing Coach, I switched to a Yamaha 15 hp and the results were remarkable. Much more quiet, very good on fuel, and the get up and go when needed. I'd put on in hours daily use that most Outboard owners would get in years of use. A season in Coaching on the water for us in Competitive Rowing was incredible compared to weekenders trolling for a few hours maybe once a month. I'm an avid fisherman outside of my Coaching. My Yamaha was outstanding. Now I have used both Mercury and Evinrude during my many years of coaching. But I wanted my own Outboard and no sharing. The Evinrude was good, and it was good on fuel use too. It loved to use fuel. Mercury though loved being run fast. So, I equate the Evinrude and Mercury perhaps to choices of spark plugs. When you run these engines for 6 hours per day weekdays and 10 hours on Saturday and Sunday. It totals up the running hours per motor really fast. But I must say, my Yamaha, first pull, every time, and quiet.
Has there been issues with the 200 pro xs motors lately? I’ve always ran mercury and wanting to buy a new boat soon. But a buddy of mine that used to work at a boat dealer told me go with Suzuki. I wanna stay with mercury but don’t want to buy a motor that has been having issues.
Mostly based on your video, and of course location, I am choosing the Mercury engine. I purchased the boat and original mercury engine from Bass Pro, which is less than an our from my home. Based on that, and the video you so kindly produced, I made my decision.
We'd lean Yamaha. Although we don't see as many 40HP Yamahas on the water in our area, the F40LA is a really solid outboard and is very accessible from a service standpoint!
My pro xs 225 has an aggressive growl at idle around the docks. At cruising speeds it definitely quieter than Yamaha and the other brands. Verodos have sport mode and silent mode and the Mercury outboards are much lighter than Yamaha. The pro xs has an awesome hole shot unmatched by Yamaha.
Here's a fact, my uncle bought a brand new Yamaha outboard and was SO confident that it was a good motor that he rebuilt it 3 times, cuz it grenaded 3 times. Junk.
In here, yamaha are top selling but very high warranty claim, now the distributor dump yamaha and importing mercury instead. Yamaha now sold by new distributor. Latest yamaha not that good as it used to be.
What video topics would you like to see us cover in the future? More in-depth engine comparisons? Brand comparisons? Our Learning Hub series aims to be a transparent educational platform for all things boating. Thanks for watching!
Yamaha , you can get parts or service all over the planet.
Mercury , good luck with any help or parts outside North America.
Yamaha..motors are the best
Toughness
Huge fan of the Mercury *"Big Tiller"* Motors and if I ever repowered would consider Mercury first.
spare part prices. e.g. VST filter on a F40A is around $90. To fix this, Yamaha wants close to a grand as it involves removing the CST and they wanted to change the pump too. Their warranty is as valuable as the paper its written on. Filter lasted 10 hours on a new install and they were trying to deny the claim. Only way they honored it is because the service manager said and I quote, " I've eaten a ton of warranties for you, you are eating this one!". Five days in a marina to fix it while we lived aboard. Cost close to a grand anyway. Their own certified Yamaha tech told them what the problem was and they refused to budge forcing the service manager to lose it. Apart from that, their engines are great. No complaints once I ditched their filter for a custom SS3166 ultra fine mesh. Because the replacement lasted all of a year till it too died. I'm also not the only one this has happened to.
So yeah, warranties are great but if you have to struggle to get it honored with 10 hours on the clock, its worthless. Then you are on your own and need to buy parts. For me, I wouldn't piss on Yamaha and their warranty department if they were on fire. I'd love to know if Mercury or any other manufacturer actually honors warranties and provides reasonable priced spare parts. Particularly consumables.
ive personally never run anything but yamaha and ive never been let down, may not be the fastest or most powerful but i get there and back everytime
I have a 89 yamaha 70hp on my boat and so far it still performs.
All 4 turd stroke junk. lets see one run with just oil injection and no oil changes tilted in any position. It would nice to se moden DFI 2 stroke v8's option for muscle cars/trucks.
Buying a transom mount engine is a massive investment today . I spent 6 months deliberating before pulling the trigger . What sold me was in incredible harsh environments like the North Canada polar regions , governments , explorer's, and native folk mostly had Yams hung over the transom. Good enough for them, me to . 3 years later I'm very happy . F15
As someone who works on boat motors daily im speaking from experience. Yamaha is a tight very well made motor the design simplicity and quality are hands down the best availabe even the paint on the yamaha outboards are gorgeous.
Mercury has made a ton of clunkers over the years theres no doubt about it. The optimax and the supercharged verados had alot of issues, i really enjoy the supercharged verados and they will last but they always seem to need something which is crappy if you have no outboard experience. Mercury has easy and simple maintainance on the new motors.
Back to yamaha, aside from oil changes and maintainance you will litterally never touch them 99% of the time. Yamaha comes with a better steering system, exterior fuel water seperator and a carbon exhaust system for the fuel tank, no mercury comes with that.
There were a couple years some yamahas like the 225hp had [2000-2005] corrosion issues but most are still ticking even with it. Mercurys fine but yamahas better, yamahas made of metal, mercury is a mix of plastic, metal and crappy alloys.
Yup. go to any marina with a lot of serious fishing guides, guys that are on the water 200+ days a year - they'll all tell you they only run yamaha. There's a damn good reason for that.
You said it.
@@scrubly_jri see alot of commercial guys running the seapro’s now. Are they any better?
@@scrubly_jr I fish a lot on Lake of the Woods Ontario and it's mostly Mercury, might have to do with what the marinas sell?
What’s the largest Yamaha engine you can have I need at least a 30 foot with two engines joystick can Yamaha take care of me
Good job of comparing the two manufactures.
I've had a 1987 Yamaha Prov150 that was still running strong until 2023, no major repairs after 35+ years of use.
Recently purchased a new boat that has a Mercury 150 ProXS. Hope the Mercury lasts at least a decade without issues, time will tell.
Both companies build great outboards.
I just took delivery on a new boat yesterday that has the Mercury 150 ProXS hanging off the back. In my area the dealers all offer Mercury and they're all praising these motors, even the ones like the video that sell multiple brands. I just sold a 1994 Spectrum boat that had a 90hp Force (formally Chrysler Marine) 2 stroke by Mercury Marine that ran strong. I'm confident in my choice, but like you said "time will tell." Happy boating!
I had a 50 hp Honda since 2000 and had no problems. As my family grew I needed more horse power. After a lot of research I went with a Yamaha F70 due to it's power to weight ratio. No one else was even close. That was 3 years ago and I have no regrets.
Had a honda 90hp last me well over 1000 hours before I sold it. It never really gave me any issues. IMO yamaha and honda are the two best. It also depends on the weight category. Curent Yamaha 50's and 60's are the same engine, former having a restrictor plate. The honda 50 is lighter, but the honda 60 is nearly as heavy as the Yamaha f70.
I'm a Merc Man and always have been, but I have to give credit where it is due with Yamaha's quiet operation and reliability. This video was a thorough review and an honest comparison of the two leading outboard manufacturers👍. Johnson/Evinrude RIP
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I miss OMC/Bombardier too. My 2 strokes were great, even if they did smoke a bit,they had more power than 4 strokes. ETEC, RIP.
I only have one disagreement with you: Johnson/Evinrude good riddance to bad rubbish!
I have owned Evinrudes, Johnsons, Yamahas and Mercurys. I currently have an F300 Yamaha and am very impressed by the digital throttle system and the telemetry provided through the integrated Yamaha Digital Network Gauge system. This is my second Yamaha outboard and I could not be more pleased.
And it has been everyone's experience that complex digital controls in the automotive world are flawless. The marine environment can only improve on that success.
Still love my old Evinrude. 🚤
@@percussion44complex? LOL
I have had both Yamaha and Mercury's on my multiple boats over the years. In my experience, my Yamahas have been more reliable and the Mercs have been better performing, but have broken down a lot!!!
This comment tells a better story than the entire video
Agree!
Mercury get you there the quickest but Yamaha get you back home 😊
I have had both over 45 years of boating ,mercury being my favorite.the Yamaha engines ran good but every year a new problem would emerge unrelated to fuel ,so many headaches and issues ,mercury has a simple design as opposed to a complex one. years tell the story.
@@delvanohiggs5072 Thanks, that by far to me is the most important thing.
Current motor is a Merc 300 Verado with almost 500 hours. Rock solid. Not one issue, just routing maintenance. Great motor!
For me, Made In USA matters, remember the Bob Hope commercial decades ago?
I have been boating for 40+ years and all my three boats, one at a time, are SeaRays with matching Mercruisers. Very happy with them.
I have twin 2004 Mercury 200 Optimax since new.. They have been reliable with no significant issues.
You should maybe go out right now and buy a lottery ticket, because you're currently one of the luckiest boat owners out there. The Optimax engines are widely regarded by all of us outboard engine mechanics to be total pieces of crap. I mean, there's a reason they stopped making them. The maintenance cost of keeping them running far outweigh any savings you may have imagined. Have you done the math?
Man im poor I've been running a 1986 mercury 90hp for 13 years I fish alot and I've replaced 1 coil in 13 years as far as egine problems .... same fuel pump same everything fires up Everytime
I’ve had both them I’ve found them both to be excellent out boards . I really think you can’t go wrong with either .
Like the honesty of your video. I tell whoever asks. Between Yamaha, Mercury and Suski, you really can't go wrong. Each have their issues. I'm a Mercury man myself.
Have always had mercury. Currently have a 115 opti max and a 8 h.p four stroke. Both very reliable so far
Also owned a 115 Optimax . Very reliable and extremely economical . Loved being thrashed .
Both engines are currently equivalent.
I am a sea professional in tourism and work around 1200 hours / year.
I sold Yamaha 300 BETX at 6680 hours in 2021 and they ran until August 2023.
Currently I have a pair of 300 mercury pro XS which runs very well, very torquey engine and more economical than the Yamaha, they currently have 1722 hours with maintenance followed to the letter. only real problem, I changed 2 trim motors which were under warranty.
Let's see how many hours these pro XS will last!
Just installed a new Yamaha f70 on a 17 foot Whaler over the winter and looking forward to using it this summer. Thanks for the video.
The F70 is a great engine with no known problems even after all these years. You've made a great purchase. Have fun out there!
I ran a 99 merc 115 two stroke for 11 years…not one bit of problem except tough to start at times but ran strong! I’ve just purchased a merc 115 pro xs to put on my sea ray….can’t wait for spring.
My brand new Lund (a Brunswick Company) boat gave me a choice of Mercury (also a Brunswick Company) or Honda motor when I ordered the boat. I chose the Mercury since I'd had great luck (33 years and still going strong) with my previous Mariner outboard (Mariner was a division of Mercury when I purchased the boat/motor in 1990).
Mariners were phenomenal engines. I’ve had a 40hp since 1984. Still works great.
Those Honda outboards are nice. We know someone that has the 150 VTEC on their boat and they have had zero issues with it. The only reason I would choose the Mercury instead is because there’s no Honda outboard dealerships where I live and nobody works on them. Parts and service are hard to get if they do happen to break.
I don't want to alarm you but alot of the mariner engines were in fact made by Yamaha.
I have had both for the last 35 years. Yamaha used to have the reliability edge by a long shot. Mercury uses better metal and the corrosion issues aren’t near as bad. Now Mercury has gone to the top for me. Quiet and powerful and they have more options for every application.
That is true
Mercury now has its own forgery..and all they do is outboards. Mercuiser is a different company than mercury marine.. their engineering is getting better by the minute.. more merc dealer's than any other.
Oh and almost all the Evinrude engineers that lost their jobs when they shutdown went to mercury marine..
@@samciarametaro2705 I was originally wanted to purchase a g2 225 HO, i waited to see a tug of war challenge with the new mercs. Never happened. Then evinrude ceased production. I ended up getting a pro xs 225. No Regrets.
Work at a saltwater marina and pull the cowling off 5 yr.old engines!! Enough said.
They are both great, had many Yamahas, going with Mercury's new 500 r now.🇺🇸
Let us know what you think about it! It looks like a great and exciting engine 👊
Good intel thx. I am downsizing from a Volvo-penta diesel boat to a center console with a F150 Yamaha. I have run the CC boat around 20 hours so far and can tell you that Yamaha really has their act together and am actually looking forward to doing my first service on it in a couple of months.. no more working in the bilge for me!
That's awesome! We hope you enjoy.
The 150 Yamaha's are great
Had the old tall straight 6 115 Merc on our family runabout in the 80's - we never had a single moments trouble and she sang a beautiful tune! When I bought my own boat it had a Yamaha V4 130 - she was very thirsty but sang hr own beautiful song and also never a moments trouble. I then bought a bigger boat 21 footer with a Yamaha ProV 200 never a moments trouble and she growled like a lioness! Magic lasting memories of great times with family and friends. Thank you for a great review, I thoroughly enjoyed all the comments!
Greetings from South Africa🤙 😎
I'm still running a mercury tower of power 90 HP 6 cylinder last 13 years been an excellent motor
I have Evinrude 70 for almost 30 years now, on a RIB in salt water. This thing runs without any problems even today. I think I'm gonna go after Mercury 115 xspro as my next one. Greets from Slovenia 🇸🇮
Like you said, buy the product that is well represented in your area. We have 4 boats running 150HP four stroke mercury engines. After 1000h first engine broke down and the rep in Lagos replaced the faulty part since its still under warranty. Others are just running fine. So for now mercury is well represented here and we love the performance so far
If one of four engines failed after 1000 hours that's not a good sign
@@wazup3333 Luckily we have a good and nice mercury dealer here in Lagos, he sorted it out for free and also told me this is the second engine they will experience this type of issue on over 200 engines sold
@@wazup33333100 hours on twin 300 mercs. Had one alternator go out at 1900 and had zero issues or weird noises. Can’t complain about the new style at all. Old ones meh but new are great
I wonder if these motors will still be running in 50+ years like my old 60HP Johnson?
don't go around showing your Johnson to everybody.
Good question..I currently have a 1989 88 hp Johnson spl. Best outboard I've ever had..still runs like new has 1956 hrs on it. Yes I keep track. Just keep up with maintenance and don't abuse it it will run forever..
No all the computers and electronics will be shot 2 strokes were better cheaper and lighter and you could work on them yourself
@@tangerineRIDES134-strokes are not that difficult to work on compared to hpdi, optimax or G2 evinrude
If you squeeze 50 years out of your junk, these new engines will run 100 years. And really run, unlike Johnson with 0 peak performance
Big fan of my 115 Mercury Pro XS. Its so quiet at idle I have to check the tach gauge to see if its running from the helm. Fuel economy is also amazing on my 18 foot Tahoe. Last week I did 43 miles on the lake, lots of it pulling an innertube. Only used 8 gallons of fuel. Also very easy to service as far as the gear and engine oil.
Seriously.. because I'm interested in getting a 115 pro xs. for my 17ft sunbird ski boat.. currently I have a 1989 88 hp Johnson spl. Excellent outboard it still runs like new.but...the gas mileage is horrible. Comes out to 3 mpg going just on plane. I need to fill up 12 gallons 2x if I'm out all day.
@@samciarametaro2705 Dead Serious.I use to have a small 14 foot fiberglass boat with a 60 hp mercury 2 stroke. I would use 12 gallons of fuel a day to go 35 miles on the water at about 20-25 mph. I can do that same speed and distance with this new 115 merc on my bigger 18 foot boat and use half the fuel. This new 115 pro xs motor is no joke.
@@BlancoLobo good to know...I live in Salisbury Massachusetts near the ocean.lots of dealer's here. My metc dealer suggested the 115 pro xs. For speed for my size boat.. thanks for the update.makes my decision better. 1 more question..how is the corrosion in salt water?
@@samciarametaro2705 I know the new mercury engines have built in hose flushing attachments. But I live inland and only have freshwater lakes around me in the midwestern us.
@@BlancoLobo Are you serious? My 20' Allison with a 1996 225 Merc would get 7mpg at 50 mph. You are getting 3 at 25mph??? WTF? My current 2005 25' Nordic Rage with a supercharged 496 is as good or better than your 60hp Merc on fuel and it weighs 4000 lbs.
Excellent review. I’ve owned both brands and have never had issues with either. The key as you mentioned is what dealer is located close to the buyer.
I currently have a 200 Opti on my Ranger and a 200 Yamaha 4 stroke on my Bennington tri-toon. Each motor performs great for each application. No complaints so far.
Definitely think you can’t go wrong. My main power is a mercury and my kicker is a Yamaha. Both have provided hundreds of hours of trouble free service. I am a big fan of other Yamaha power sports products but would probably go mercury again for my next large outboard.
100's of hours is basically new. Check back at 1000-1500.
My last boat sold a year ago had a Suzuki. It was fine, but there were no reputable/competent dealers and techs within 60 miles. I live in a rural area. I recently ordered a new boat that only came with Mercury, Sun Tracker pontoon. I have 4 competent techs and factory authorized service centers within 15 miles. Hopefully the Mercury will be reliable but if something does go wrong it's nice to know I don't have to drive over steep mountains to get to a technician.
Great point. Availability often is more valuable than the brand itself!
I just took off a 150 Suzuki after 400 hrs 330 faults, absolute piece of shit
Your gonna need them your lucky they’re close 👍
What about Tohatsu, the company that makes engines for the other companies
Have had 5 yamaha powered boats 21-26’ over a 30 year period. In all those years and boat, one fouled sparkplug and one water pump impeller (my fault). They are very reliable.
i live in Wisconsin mercury manufacturing is like 45 min away in fon du lac and i had a friends that worked there once
Great job reading both brands promotional materials while actually saying nothing for 8 minutes.
That's what I concluded at 4 mins and stopped. LOL!
For the longest time Yamaha has manufactured engines for Mercury, not the other way around
My 4 hp merc didn't come with the hole shot you memtioned. Where can i get one?
I have a 2006 Yamaha outboard 50HP 4 stoke. I’ve had it for over 10 years now, NEVER had a single issue with it. Of course, I’ve been using non-ethanol gas from day 1 and get it serviced regularly. My Yamaha outboard has been more reliable than my car! My vote goes for YAMAHA FOR SURE!!!
I have a friend who bought a brand new Mercury 50 HP four stroke, he started having issues as soon as he got it. Yamaha 50HP seems to be faster than Mercury 50 HP too and DEFINITELY MORE RELIABLE!!! YAMAHA IS THE WAY TO GO, PERIOD!!! 👍😎
Great insight. And excellent work keeping up with your Yamaha - it pays off!
Gotta disagree. My 60 hp Merc still runs awesome and have watched other folks replacing their Yamaha and Honda motors.
I have an 88 hp Johnson spl. 1989.. over 32 yrs old. Never had an issue with it... Never rebuild always starts. Have over 1700 hrs. If you take care of an outboard it will be good to you..
@@samciarametaro2705 Wow!! Excellent work.
one example isnt indicative of the whole picture, my first boat was a 1974 sea ray with a merc 150 that didnt have a problem til1989, when replaced with a new 1989 merc 150 which i think is still running today on a friends boat i sold it to him with no issues ever....this doesnt mean i wouldnt take a yammy, as i have seen a lot of people with problems with them but also seen a lot running for manyy years, bottom line two good brands, keep up with maintanence and youll have a reliable engine, one off problems straight from manufacturer happen in every industry now and then
Whatever happened to Johnson Seahorse?
omc had a plant in PeterBorough ontario canada. 1985 free trade deal with USA ... closed the plant.
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I'd personally go Yamaha in the sub 150 hp range and Mercury in plus 150 hp range. As for the 150 hp outboard itself it's really great from both brands, hard to go wrong. Always check the gearing, speed range and propeller selection, that might be a deciding factor for your boat.
It would have been helpful to get an analysis from a MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE emphasizing ease of working on the two competing products, cost of routine and non-routine maintenance, availability of spare parts and supply chain/expected delivery time for those parts across the various manufacturers. Several years ago I was enrolled a marine technology vocational program through a local community college that offered ABYC (American Boat and Yacht Council) training and certification. Suzuki had donated 20+ outboards to the vocational program for us students to tear into along with the supporting technical manuals. I have got to say that I was thoroughly impressed with the Suzuki product. Personally I found their technical publications easier to read. in some cases I found getting access to perform the various maintenance tasks slightly easier on the Suzuki. I am in the market to buy a new 250 hp outboard and I will likely go with the Suzuki as a result of that exposure. Before I had attended the marine training course Suzuki would not have been on my mind.
When you stated that both Mercury and Yamaha are excellent products you will get no argument from me. I would add Suzuki to that statement as well. I am not paid by or compensated by Suzuki or any other marine product manufacturer in any way whatsoever. I though the best point you made-outstanding really- was the link between the availability of support and service being a key factor in deciding on which engine to purchase. If you rely on somebody else to maintain your outboard engine then being able to access that service is key and very likely should be the deciding factor when considering which engine to purchase. Personally, I would want to do all my own maintenance. That way I control the quality (only limited by my own knowledge/skill) and time frame (job gets done according to my effort (given parts availability)) and I save on labor costs (not my highest priority, people deserve to be compensated for their skill set, time and effort) plus I ENJOY the work. The work is both interesting, educational and rewarding.
Finally, cost should have been included in this analysis. It is obvious why dealerships try and not divulge cost as there are many variables. As a consumer the lack of transparency and availability of easy to understand cost information is troubling. If Foothills Marine had provided a generalized breakdown according to horse power on say an identical service job on the two might have provided some useful information. Your shop labor rate is going to be the same. Why not compare the cost of a 20 hour and 100 hour inspection(s) on a low and high horse-power model from each manufacturer? You went into detail explaining the different extended warrantees offered by the two competing manufacturers, but again completely omitted the dollar amount charged by each manufacturer for that coverage. Foothills Marine knows consumers place a great emphasis on cost; omitting any meaningful cost analysis detracts from the quality of this video big time!
You told us that they both "look cool" and get good fuel economy, but did not provide any numbers on fuel economy. Why was there no demonstration/test on identical boats loaded to the same weight? Foothills Marine obviously has an attractive dealership, access to most if not all of the information your viewers (who may be considering a purchase are interested in). Foothills Marine already put in the time, effort and cost in producing this quality video. Not including the maintenance perspective or any meaningful cost information seems like a serious oversight to me.
This video begins by criticizing a dealership for only recommending the product that they sell. Then this same video goes on to do exactly the same thing by essentially declaring it a tie (in the comments and video content) and recommending only what they sell. "Yamaha vs Mercury.. and the winner is" is entertaining clickbait. I have never been associated with "Foothills Marine" this was my first exposure to this company. None of my criticism is coming from any kind of personal animosity. I am trying to continue to educate myself about outboards which is why I viewed this video in the first place. I wish Foothills Marine every success.
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Thank you for such an insightful and constructive review! We completely understand the callout about not being specific enough - and you're exactly right: there are so many variables between both brands at different horsepowers that it's difficult to delve into EVERYTHING. For now, we hope to provide a good comprehensive overview of the two brands and their product offerings. On the horizon, however, you've certainly inspired us to do more in-depth breakdowns between specific models. For example, a Yamaha 250 SHO vs. Merc 250 FourStroke would be an excellent time to dive into fuel consumption, engine performance, and all the specs we can think of.
We're more than happy to discuss prices for things such as service jobs, and you propose a great solution: compare the cost of a 20 hour and 100 hour inspection on a low and high HP model from both Yamaha and Mercury. That's an excellent suggestion. We're actually in the middle of writing a "Cost of Boat Service' script and will be sure to include that!
Again - we appreciate your comment and time. Thanks for helping make our video series better.
@@FoothillsMarine Thank you for the thoughtful reply. You already put out a quality video, engaging, interesting and "fun" to watch. The individual doing most of the presentation did an outstanding job, for all I know that individual may have been a professional actor. Everything about the video was top notch, everything you covered that is. I was hungry for technical data and information. Unless you are prohibited by Yamaha or Mercury may I recommend you discuss the actual costs of the extended warrantees. I am assuming that those costs are uniform between dealerships and would not put you at a competitive disadvantage. Anyhow, thank you again! I subscribed and will be looking forward to whatever else Foothills Marine decides to add to your TH-cam presence.
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@@apackwestbound5946 Great suggestion. As far as we're aware, there aren't any restrictions about how dealerships divulge warranty pricing. We'll dig into that to make sure though.
And that's the best comment we can hear! Our marketing manager, Mason, scripts, shoots, and edits all of the videos on our channel. He's not an actor by any means, but appreciates your feedback! 🤣
Great, respectful communication here.
Did we talk MSRP's brofessor?
Maybe I missed it. Another main factor in the decision making process.
-price
-weight
-maintenance
Havent used either one. I have an evinrude etec on my '96 tracker and absolutely love it. But i have an '06 yamaha 350 grizzly and its been absolutely flawless. So if the outboards are like their quads, yamaha is the way to go.
Too bad BRP put Evinrude in the dirt once and for all. Most two stroke Evinrude owners I see at the marina are swapping out to mercury since spare parts will become more and more scarce even though BRP sold off their parts division to Mercury.
ETec, LOL
Computer failure was a big thing with the etec. They performed well and were really good mechanically but the brains unit was their weakness and you don't want that when you are 40 - 50 miles offshore. I went to a Yamaha and it has now done nearly 700 hrs without any problems. Great motor.
Both are excellent motors!
Outboard technology has improved significantly over the past 10 years.
As someone pointed out, gearing/prop selection/and lower unit lengths are important based upon hull design.
And I have seen some large center console cats with multiple outboards that I wouldn’t hesitate to capture salmon/halibut or lingcod in Alaska.
There’s a few spots up there with one of those you would be back bbqing when everyone else is just putting their lines in 😂
Both great motors and I would say the deciding factor would be servicing dealers in your area. I currently run a Mer 115 Pro XS and have been very pleased with the performance. The motor runs so quiet sometimes I forget its running.
I have forgotten to turn my motor off after i reach my fishing spots many times lol. So quiet
Exactly....not only those in "YOUR" area but other places you may run your rig.
Does slow trolling harm the larger hp outboards? Thanks - enjoy your videos
All new outboards are reliable..it just depends on how close your dealer is so you can get service.. it's that simple..
Here in sweden if you get a new mercury it will not be stolen. BUT if you get a yamaha in soon stolen and on a truck on the way to east europe. Yamaha durability is no1
@@Ekmanjohnny its because the world market is more akin to seeing yammy, merc being an american product you will see much more merc here especially all over fla, one is not seen here as being any more reliable, probably much easier support network for yammy in eur and asia
I bought a mercury verado 250 on my pontoon boat. I’m on my third shift control module and the trim switch has been replaced. It’s a 2020 model. Kinda blows a hole in the theory all new outboards are reliable 😅
I see more mercury come in for warranty work than I see yamaha's, most yamaha's just come in for service work.
Actually it is not that simple. Not all dealers…. Merc’ or Yam’ are good. In the Caribbean, Central and South America, Yamaha tends to be poorly supported where Mercury has numerous well performing g dealerships.
good video. I have to say I am a die hard 2 stroke mercury person myself. you can keep the 4 strokes. ive got a 2004 50 hp mercury on my center console and I love it. if it ever needed re powered its getting another mercury, with another 2 stroke lol
Do I need to buy the platinum. We still have Warranty on my mercury before I buy the boat or can I buy it after the three years
I passed on it so far 200 hours and no problems
Can anyone even show me a Merc on a working boat in Alaska? When it counts- Yamaha, Tohatsu, or even Suzuki.
The Mercury 300 V8’s and 400v10’s are incredible. They are kicking Yamaha’s ass in development. Yamaha has stayed stagnant. The 4.2 L Yamaha has been proven to be insanely reliable and the best power head Yamaha has ever built. I have run twin 2020 250 Suzuki outboards on a work boat and they are pure trash. Over 2000 hours between 6 engines and nothing but electrical issues, corrosion and lots of other stuff. Their lowers were pretty impressive though. I’ll give ‘em that. At the end of the day the new Mercury V8 and V10 engines are the choice.
@@GulfSoftwashwow I only have a little 4.2M boat with a 70hp Suzuki and it’s goes absolutely fantastic but mind you it’s only got 750 hours on it
In every 3rd world environment you see Yamaha . 50 years in Norway Yamaha. Yamaha is the Tacoma for the ocean. Starts every time
Fuck a suzuki take any brand over suzuki
I am about to buy a new 115 hp to my trollingboat, do a lot of downrigging fishing. Witch one is better for that type of fishing?
We'd recommend Yamaha. They're great for that specific application. PS... we've got some F115LBs in stock 😉
@@FoothillsMarine Thanks, but it is a looong way from Sweden ;)
@@Lazzoboy Yeah... just a little.🤣 We hope you enjoy whichever new outboard you get!
I personally have the Yamaha F300 and absolutely love the motor and the DEC. I always get comments from Merc owners about how incredibly smooth the gear changes are, from neutral to forward, or even forward to reverse to clear out the weeds. Merc's shift hard, Yamaha shifts so smooth, that's the big difference IMO.
yes, i have had one too. spectacular
How often are you shifting in and out of gear?? Thats your ONLY criteria???
@@alexnutcasio936 It really isn't fair to compare my electronic to their mechanical mechanism. The Yamaha is much smoother and quieter compared to my neighbors Merc 300. I purchased the F300 due to my trusted mechanic friend that is a master mechanic recommendation to get a Yamaha with DEC and couldn't be happier.
@@robcossin4690 you’re probably running in fresh water too. Yamahas have not been known to do well long term in salt water.
Up in interior Alaska, I run a 4-stroke 60hp Mercury EFI. No problems since 2008 (16 years) except I did replace the starter.
Just picked up a 2010 Yamaha fx115 doing a repower on an old boat, got rid of the force 125, but I wish there was more on the rigging part like is there any special circuit boards that need to be installed I do have the whole harness and controls, but what is a command link hub Assembly and do I need it to hook up my engine ?
As a dealer you know that the 40-60 hp class Mercury's are all are made in China and the 30 HP and below Mercs are all made by Tohatsu. At any rate the comparison should be between Yamaha and Suzuki in mid-range HP class. Who cares about who has the best motors for the huge HP class :) if you have that much money repowering at 500 hours is no problem. Most all major makers are producing great performing motors....but for the common man in the mid-range HP class, I think 9 out of 10 guys that put a lot of hours on the ocean would say Yamaha over Merc, but pick Suzuki over either. But the later G1 E-tec's were better than either in all aspects but suffered from bad marketing.
Suzuki and Yamaha are amongst the few that makes all the engines themself. I only buy Suzuki cause they are cheaper than Yamaha and has longer warranty.
Looking for joystick must have sea keeper therefore, I’m looking at salt water engine. Most likely at least 30 foot may be a little bigger. It sounds like mercury is the engine I need to have is that correct? First time Purchasing recreation boat
Both are great brands! My dad had a Mercury growing up, and it was nothing but problems it seemed like... I have an old '87 115HP Yamaha on my 17' and it works great! Minus $5 a lap pulling a tube ($4.98/gal Rec fuel). But I also have a backup '02 Mercury 115HP that was great on my grandpa's boat! I don't think any compare to my '95 Evinrude DELUXE 4HP on my fishing boat!!! LOL
Your 87 115 was the most bulletproof outboard ever made.
My '79' "tower of power" Mercury 140 still rocks. Got an old 65hp Mercury from the early 60's on the rack that fires and goes too. Do all my own work, might be talking to the wrong crowd here....
@@catlifeoutdoors6369 that is good to hear!! being older, I get nervous! But i also like older stuff, as it seems to run well, when properly maintained! The lower unit has been replaced, and the boat with with paperwork showing they spent a decent penny on some electrical issues that it had. Fingers crossed that is all set now....
@@Stunningandbrave nice!! i have no issue working on vehicles, but this is still new to me, working on outboard engines... but I feel more comfortable each time I work on it, and learn something new.
No doubt that Yamaha is very reliable, but they've made very little investment in improving their offerings over the last 10+ years. The only thing "new" has been their 5.6L V8 motors (425/450hp) and that was because they had to come up with a replacement for their 5.3L V8 (350hp) that was destroying flywheels regularly. Other than that, they just change the look of the cowlings and put NEW on their website for the same product 3 years running. Understandably, they want to keep things simple to maintain their reputation for reliability, which has served them well. They are the Toyota/Lexus to Mercury's BMW/Mercedes-Benz/Porsche (at least in the 200+hp range).
That's very fair. Mercury is certainly on the leading edge of new product offerings and are taking more risks. Thanks for your comment!
@@FoothillsMarine Full disclosure: I've owned boats with both Mercury and Yamaha from 40hp to 385hp. No issues with any of them, but I take good care of my stuff.
if it works dont change it
That XTO WEIGHS 300 lbs more than the 500 R.
Good observation. That's how they destroyed their snowmobile business by sitting on their ass too long.
What about Evinrude? I’m starting the research process for my bass boat currently has an 86 mercury 150 black max but with omissions restrictions more and more lakes are banning the old two strokes so I’m looking at mercury Yamaha or Evinrude
Brp discontinued Evinrude in 2020.
I have had 8 boats over the years. EACH time I never looked at performance specs or opinions. I chose one motor time after time after time for one reason. I'm a fisherman, and fish very remote waters. Only one brand has service almost every place. In every small town, at every lake, at every tiny hamlet. MERC !
An extra HP or some miniscule fuel efficiency means nothing.
The ability to get quick service or parts so a trip is not ruined is EVERYTHING !!!
Congratulations for the comparison test. I am just about to choose between a Yamaha 200hp 4 cylinder 2.8 cc and a Mercury 200hp 6 cylinder 3.4 cc. Would it be possible to have your opinion and a mini comparison on these two engines? Thanks in advance and keep it up!
All an average outboard manufacturer can do is follow Merc. And pray to cling five years behind them. Merc. Engineering dept is legendary even to NASA.
Merc is killing it! They lead - many others follow. Thanks for commenting, Mike!
What's incredible about mercury is that's all they do is outboards..and they have their own forgery and cast their own engines. No one else has this in their factory's
But there reliability is below yamaha's!!!
Yamaha ❤❤❤❤❤
5yrs ahead in technology and dead last in reliability
I have a 2016 Boston Whaler 210 Montauk with a 2016 Evinrude E-TEC 200HP HO. I just can't get any service in my area on the E-TEC and after hurricane Ian damage the E-TEC needs about a $5/6k of work. So, I've been thinking about repowering. Thoughts on the Yamaha inline 4 cylinder 200HP compared to the Mercury FourStroke V6 200HP outboards? (Dealer support is about the same in my area)
And if you're looking for speed go with mercury but for reliability go with yahama.
Not for me. My 75 Merc is a fat toad and feels more like a 50hp 2 strokes that I have owned. The heavy 75 Merc has nowhere near the punch that my Johnson 70 had.
@@johnstrand2247you gotta get the xs
I think mercury makes a better racing outboard as Yamaha makes a better deep sea style fishing boat outboard
@@johnstrand2247 my 75 merc tops around 40mph that is fast enough for me
Mercury is not faster l have a yammy 250 sho on my boat and it is faster than a Mercury 250 on the same boat
Are the mercury small output still made by mariner?
I wish OMC was still around. I loved my old Johnson 175 fast strike. It was a bulletproof powerhouse.
Im a mercury man but I've had evinrudes and Johnson's they were great motors I agree it was sad to see them leave
I have personally have a 6HP Mercury Outboard from 2023 on my small inflatable boat and it has been a dream, starts constantly on first pull no problems given it is a new outboard, I haven’t had the opportunity to try Yamaha although my friend has one with 30hp and he said it has been fantastic and reliable since 2006
I have a merc 8 and 15 2 stroke from 97 and they start on the first pull. Very nice
I don't want to alarm you but that 6hp motor is actually made by a company called tohatsu and rebranded as mercury, tohatsu is a Japanese company.
After sixty years of boating … fishing, diving and commercial ocean work, my knee jerk reaction is that these are both fine manufacturers and I have used a bunch of both in varying displacement and applications. I think this was an an excellent review and reasonably balanced. I would concur that both will do the job(s) relatively equally but I agree with the reviewer that the higher power outboards are pro-Mercury all the way. For me, if I need one or more outboards over 100HP each, I always go with Mercury. I admit that as former Navy… I lean towards American brands. And finally, I think the reviewer missed a very key point in that it matters very little which of these two brands you purchase unless you take very good care of these machines… especially in a saltwater environment… you are going to have problems and surprises… most of which will be bad.
Great point! Taking care of your boat and engine are INTEGRAL to getting its intended performance. Thank you for your comment! We appreciate the insight.
Does one use a timing belt and one uses a chain. Is this true and is there a benefit to one over the other? Thanks
I’m about mechanic at an actual boat dealership Yamaha is waaaaay better you will never touch it unless for routine maintenance like oil changes. Literally just oil changes The only thing I ever work on every day is mercury because they are constantly breaking down. I never see a Yama unless it’s an oil change.
What about their reliability and replacement parts affordability? Which brand offers more affordable replacement parts? Which brand breaks down or needs repair more often?
its clear Mercury has grown in leaps and bounds, theyre both great with a wide range of features...Ive had yamahas and mercurys and my yamahas were vastly more dependable and less rust prone but Id be happy with either one.
I’ve grown up with Yamaha’s. For me i personally would always choose Yamaha but a few friends of mine have mercs and they are also pretty good. I am comfortable with both Yamaha and Mercury.
As far as my experience with the two motor I would prefer Yamaha over mercury. Mercury motor has more issues than Yamaha motor
My Yamaha 200 hp has been flawless, absolutely flawless…. Quiet, powerful and very easy on fuel…. My highest recommendation!
Yamaha = bullet proof , definitely the best outboards made with my experience
Check out what brand outboard the local commercial fishermen are using. It's a good indicator of the better brand for your application.
Yamaha are the most reliable so that's more important on a boat than on a car. If your car breaks down, you can get out and wait for help without any issues. If your boat engine breaks down, you could be on the rocks before you know it or turned sideways to the waves.
Great review, but there is a glaring omission. Our host mentions mercury’s joy stick control and that Mercury uses, paraphrasing here, cutting edge technology. The host mentions Yamahas slow trolling feature but fails to talk about the plethora of advanced features of Yamahas joy stick system, the Helm master EX that works with Yamahas digital motors, (Mercury verados are all digital and are what is required for their joy stick system) In addition to the slow trolling feature there is a spot lock feature which will hold the bow or the stern into the wind, there is also drift point that will follow a route you set up with speed to slowly navigate the boat over a reef, wreck or other structure and then if desired will hold the boat at the end of the route. The helm master EX will also function with your mfd and act as an auto pilot for headings and speed and upon arrival will slow the boat and hold it in that position. Yamaha wrote the book on joy stick controls and are by far and away the best in this area.
I think it's safe to say that Yamaha will give you more long term durability while mercury definitely focuses on dealer network at performance.
I prefer Mercury but both are great engines.....
I have a 2012 150hp optimax pro xs 1yr freshwater on a ski boat ; the rest all skinny saltwater on a flats boat.No issues other than regular maintenance . I just recently purchased a new 2023 Mercury115hp xs to put on a new 18’ skiff that should draft 6”’s or less. We will offer Yamaha also with the new skiff we are manufacturing here in PALACIOS,Tx
Mercury will get you there faster, but Yamaha will get you there every time
Great Video! Picking the New and Improved Mercury made in America. We need all the manufacturing dollars we can get. Just Bought the Ranger RB20 with A 150.
How about the original 250 Pro XS 2 stroke!!!!!!!
After I buy my new boat with a 115 mercury commander thrush can I buy the warranty after the three years is up?
Yamaha ❤
I purchased a new 25 foot Robalo center consul and my dealer offered Yamaha or Mercury, I decided on the Mercury for two primary reasons; first, Mercury was a V8 where the Yamaha was a V6 and second mercury is made in the USA which is very attractive to me. it also did not hurt that the Mercury was black and the Yamaha gray or white as the hull of my boat is all black and the mercury was aesthetically more pleasing. I only have one season on the boat/outboard, but to date I have had no problems with either.
both offer great power packages, however Mercury has the edge with a very rich racing history and extensive durability testing. Verado 300's for me please!
Just purchased Schaefer's V33 with 2X300hp Mercury Verado. Beautiful black with silver trips motors... Hello from São Paulo, Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷.
Hello from the US!! 👋 Let us know what you think about your new boat!
@FoothillsMarine Deal. Atually, it will be delivered to me THIS coming Thursday at Schaefer's headquarters, in Florianópolis, BR. I placed an order for it last October at the São Paulo Boat Show.
Yamaha and corrosion-resistant shouldn't be in the same sentence
salt series ha ha ha ha ha hah
Yamaha engines are awesome!
@AnnexF yeah I owed one a 06 f250 that had the exhaust corrosion issue. Do your homework they had corrosion problems from 02 to 13
@@Honda1k Poorly maintained. Salt water will do that to any engine.
@AnnexF you have know idea what your talking about.
I've had nothing but great things from Yamaha Outboards. As a Rowing Coach, I switched to a Yamaha 15 hp and the results were remarkable. Much more quiet, very good on fuel, and the get up and go when needed. I'd put on in hours daily use that most Outboard owners would get in years of use. A season in Coaching on the water for us in Competitive Rowing was incredible compared to weekenders trolling for a few hours maybe once a month. I'm an avid fisherman outside of my Coaching. My Yamaha was outstanding.
Now I have used both Mercury and Evinrude during my many years of coaching. But I wanted my own Outboard and no sharing. The Evinrude was good, and it was good on fuel use too. It loved to use fuel. Mercury though loved being run fast.
So, I equate the Evinrude and Mercury perhaps to choices of spark plugs. When you run these engines for 6 hours per day weekdays and 10 hours on Saturday and Sunday. It totals up the running hours per motor really fast. But I must say, my Yamaha, first pull, every time, and quiet.
I guarantee you Mercury has Japanese made parts in it just like a Harley
my 2004 50 hp is made in Japan. they can build motors. facts!!
Has there been issues with the 200 pro xs motors lately? I’ve always ran mercury and wanting to buy a new boat soon. But a buddy of mine that used to work at a boat dealer told me go with Suzuki. I wanna stay with mercury but don’t want to buy a motor that has been having issues.
The quote that remains: “WANNA GET THERE FAST, GET A MERCURY, WANNA GET BACK, GET A YAMAHA. Words I live by. Yamaha all the way.
Mostly based on your video, and of course location, I am choosing the Mercury engine. I purchased the boat and original mercury engine from Bass Pro, which is less than an our from my home. Based on that, and the video you so kindly produced, I made my decision.
I own both brands. 40hp to 115 I prefer Yammy, 150 and up Merc.
Very valid!
Would you have the same opinions on the comparison when looking at the mid range HP (40 hp) Merc and Yamaha outboards?
We'd lean Yamaha. Although we don't see as many 40HP Yamahas on the water in our area, the F40LA is a really solid outboard and is very accessible from a service standpoint!
My pro xs 225 has an aggressive growl at idle around the docks. At cruising speeds it definitely quieter than Yamaha and the other brands. Verodos have sport mode and silent mode and the Mercury outboards are much lighter than Yamaha. The pro xs has an awesome hole shot unmatched by Yamaha.
Spoken like a true fanboy
@@CanuckTreeCare-dw6sk lol
@@252COPPERHEADevery thing you said is wrong 😂
Name one.
@@252COPPERHEADcan't you read l said all of them 😂
yamaha has the lowest warranty claims in the industry and the highest resale value , period. ! fact !
Here's a fact, my uncle bought a brand new Yamaha outboard and was SO confident that it was a good motor that he rebuilt it 3 times, cuz it grenaded 3 times. Junk.
... and they are longer lasting.
In here, yamaha are top selling but very high warranty claim, now the distributor dump yamaha and importing mercury instead. Yamaha now sold by new distributor. Latest yamaha not that good as it used to be.
You’re thinking about Suzuki.
Mercury,, made in America ,, fact !
What is the wholesale price for a 25 hp & 40 hp motors with tiller handle operation.