Jayz 2 cents has an interesting update on this. Thanks for the highly detailed review. You are very intelligent and knowledgeable. Greatly look forward to watching each as you make them. Thanks so much.
I wonder why almost no mainstream techtubers cover this, 😅 only u and Derbauer covered this, the media these days are run by marketing ppl instead of technicians or engineers…
Gamers and productivity users mostly only care about drop in/plug and play performance. This sort of in depth tuning only really matters to the more hardcore PC enthusiast. Kinda like drag racing, except with computers lol. Doesn't matter what you have, it's all about squeezing every drop of power out of it in the most efficient manner to achieve the highest number/score.
@@derenbong he answered your question of "why most mainstream techtubers don't cover this". If you don't like to receive answers, stop asking questions. That simple :)
What most people are missing about arrow lake is that it's not supposed to be a game only CPU... compared to the 14900k it was a step in the right direction
With the dlvr power loss example, where did you get the 160A from ? For total power loss, you have to calculate each dlvr voltage drop and current individually, then sum up the power results. And ringbus should be only tiny fraction of total current. Also in the powergate, the problem would be exactly the same, as the input voltage still drops, but also the power draw of the silicon parts gets higher, because they recieve higher voltage.
If only these motherboard manufacturers would make their BIOS menus, or atleast their in-OS tweak software, have graphical representations akin to a power plant map and V-F graphs like fan speed-temp curves...
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Intel & AMD need more improvement. Intel Price is also too much for this spec 👎 Mac M4 is rocking the field with Les Cost. Can buy a Mac mini M4 at a VGA cost.
Jayz 2 cents has an interesting update on this. Thanks for the highly detailed review. You are very intelligent and knowledgeable. Greatly look forward to watching each as you make them. Thanks so much.
I wonder why almost no mainstream techtubers cover this, 😅 only u and Derbauer covered this, the media these days are run by marketing ppl instead of technicians or engineers…
because wasting whole life on learning how to overclock celeron in your work machine is unproductive, when upgrading would give much more.
@@MrEdioss why are u even watching this then? 😅
Gamers and productivity users mostly only care about drop in/plug and play performance. This sort of in depth tuning only really matters to the more hardcore PC enthusiast.
Kinda like drag racing, except with computers lol. Doesn't matter what you have, it's all about squeezing every drop of power out of it in the most efficient manner to achieve the highest number/score.
@@derenbong he answered your question of "why most mainstream techtubers don't cover this". If you don't like to receive answers, stop asking questions. That simple :)
How does this video have only so much likes? So classical, holy shit
just because cinebench does not scale with ring clock, does not mean that other programs wont
sample size = 1
the benchmark/stresstest that improves the most is probably the one to show errors first, so idk what he used to test ring oc.
Cinebench in particular probably doesn't care much about ring or memory speed. It has very high L2 hit rate.
Good point! Any suggestions for benchmarks I should target for checking the impact of Ring overclocking?
@@SkatterBencher The HPC section of the Phoronix test suite, such as NAMD STMV, OpenFOAM and GPAW carbon nanotube
@@SkatterBencher or maybe MKL Linpack
What most people are missing about arrow lake is that it's not supposed to be a game only CPU... compared to the 14900k it was a step in the right direction
15:40 you should measure ring performance by latency, not worthless cinebench score
task failed successfully, no gains, but faster elsewhere.
OCing ring gives a 4-5ns lower latency in aida64
Like useless aida "latency" test ?
Barely a good indicator.
@@panjak323 +5~ in games too, but overclocking ring seems kinda weak performance boost
@@panjak323better than nothing using AIDA. At LEAST it gives an IDEA
Would be nice to see how efficient arrow lake is with a nice undervolt on cores and cache/ring
With the dlvr power loss example, where did you get the 160A from ? For total power loss, you have to calculate each dlvr voltage drop and current individually, then sum up the power results. And ringbus should be only tiny fraction of total current.
Also in the powergate, the problem would be exactly the same, as the input voltage still drops, but also the power draw of the silicon parts gets higher, because they recieve higher voltage.
Very informative👍
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If only these motherboard manufacturers would make their BIOS menus, or atleast their in-OS tweak software, have graphical representations akin to a power plant map and V-F graphs like fan speed-temp curves...
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Hi can i dub you in my channel? I'll give you all credits, im only going to make a dubbing to your videos, i guess i can expand this amazing content that you do.
overclocking this cpu architecture look so complicate , lol
Ah yes the ring... the thing that kills intel cpus.
I rarely consider ring bus overclocks worth it unless the performance bump is huge.
@@We_Are_I_Am never had intel cpu and motherboard that supports ring oc, but from amd experience, HyperTransport is worth it on Bulldozer
It's all fun and games untill 14900k beats overclocked 285k at stock.
Sad but true…
Intel & AMD need more improvement. Intel Price is also too much for this spec 👎
Mac M4 is rocking the field with Les Cost. Can buy a Mac mini M4 at a VGA cost.
just a little bit complex, lol