The Heroine's Journey ROCKS Because...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2025
- Yes, alright. Both the Hero's Journey and The Heroine's Journey are valid story-telling tools and potentially life-changing in the way they make us think.
Just...one of these models is more likely to change lives for the better than the other one, that's all.
00:01 Not an attack on The Monomyth. No, really!
01:29 Where the author's journey began: Maureen Murdock
02:31 Where the Heroine's Journey begins (you have no idea how much restraint it took not to entitle this chapter the Heroine's Cycle Begins)
03:59 Where the Hero and the Heroine's paths diverge
07:19 The Quest: Volume II
12:06 Pyramids vs. Circles
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7:32 “People change when the pain of staying the same becomes too great” what a great quote
Thank you kindly. In the spirit of sharing the credit / blame, I nipped it from my dad, but I couldn't tell you who he nipped it from
By the time the cherry blossom scene came, I was crying over this video. Excellent work!
Aw.
*offers hug*
Thank you for speaking up - You're my new favorite
Perfect vs complete, interesting. I had not thought of it that way before. Excellent subtle use of childhood classics. Lovely as always, Martha!
Thank you - Thank you
I didnt know of the heroines journey, its a great new lense to see stories through. Thanks for the heads up.
Also, a 10 hour video from you?
Yes, please
*mind boggles at making a video more than an hour long*
Gosh, I'd have to think of way more to say. All glory, laud, and honor to the folks who make the internet a smarter place for hours at a time. Those folks are magic.
@@SelfWriteousness One hour video, you say? I'll take it! It was good negotiating with you
Thank you for recommending this book!
Pleasure.
*tips hat*
It legit changed my life for the better. I hope it's still got places to go :)
I think that the hero's journey is a useful way to consider the structure of a plot, the progression of an external story, and the cataloging of the trends therein. Listening to this video made me realize that the stories that stuck with me the most were only using plot as a guide. The Heroine's Journey seems to be much more useful to understand and deconstruct the internal process of our characters throughout the plot. It's interesting that we divide the internal/external in metaphors of feminine/masculine. I wonder why that is, in your opinion?
Well, Campbell was pretty exclusively boy-oriented when it came to his Hero's Journey. According to Maggie Mae Fish, he told Maurine Murdock - with words - that a woman should be content to be the mother or the inspiration of the hero, not a hero herself. I imagine that influenced her formulation of The Heroine's Journey a tremendous lot. A non-gendered, more universal storytelling model would be awesome, but as long as someone in authority benefits from a polarization / propagation of gender norms, I feel like widespread acceptance of such a model is a long way off.
This is some good food for thought.
Very good. My humble hope is that it is more nourishing food for thought than Annoying Orange.
Perfection or completion. Story of my life 😭
Mine too.
*offers hug*
😭not the Bob Dylan shade!!! 👏
Aw, no shade meant. Just a sassy little reminder that the guy who sings it first might not be the guy who sings it best (although for what it's worth, Dylan didn't sing "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" first, and his is the only version I kinda like)
I love this. I do also wonder if these Story structures can be decoupled from gender simply bc I never really identified w/that aspect. to me the perfection vs completion bit could really be genderless if you get to brass tacks about it. Wonderful video- So happy I found your channel!
Lovely to be found!
*waves a friendly hello*
I agree. Perfection as the enemy of completion trips up so many people regardless of gender, and clinging to the labels absolutely keep people from finding the path they need to be okay. I'd dearly love for more men to read *The Heroine's Journey* with an open mind because the most dedicated self-destroyers I meet are the ones who hate themselves for even mild imperfections and will not consider changing directions because they see that as an admission of defeat and weakness.
Dreadful stuff. I'd love to see less of that in my lifetime.
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I didn't know there was a book titled this before Gail Carriger's recent version!
Oh this one was interesting and it's not one I've heard of, might have to check it out!
Good deal. The mere idea of an alternative to *The Hero's Journey* and it's "pass or fail" attitude as opposed to "maybe try again" was enough to give me my first foothold in crawling out of the deepest despair in recollection. The book is (potentially) life-changing. I genuinely can't recommend it enough.
I don't think Campbell claimed the monomyth is about every story ever, but only that he thought it represents all myth. Which is still wrong, as so much of his work is, but I don't see why first misrepresenting him and then making a big point how the Heroine's Journey is complementary is supposed to be a good thing...
Anyway, I think some aspects of the heroine's journey are interesting, but too me it is too much drenched in a gender duality thinking, an as a non-binary person myself that prevented me from identifying that journey as any more useful than the hero's journey. To me both look not like the universe gendered experience as people make them out to be, but as rather niche and very narrow paths of gender expression.
I mean, if you can recommend a better storytelling model that is tried, true, and less exclusionary by gender, I will put it on my short list. I've not yet read the Le Guin Carrier Bag model, but I hear good things.
@@SelfWriteousness Yes, the carrier bag idea from Le Guin is great. Another interesting read is Douglas Burton's book that was released just two months ago called Heroine's Labyrinth. It is not perfect, but it feels like a more general counter proposal to Campbell's work, even though he also looked at it as complementary to it. Overall I think the problem is for me mostly in the narratives that close a circle. Since a cyclical nature might be something we find pleasing, but it the character ends the story where they started then it feels link the whole journey was pointless. I work on my own model, I call it the story wave, and it is partly inspired by Kurt Vonnegut.
Is-- anyone poking at you to write a book about your story wave, by chance? If not, I'd be honored to be the first :)