The Master of Puppets Solo (string off the fretboard) Squeal Fallacy EXPOSED!
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I said “perpetrated” instead of “perpetuated” (thanks to those who let me know) but the fallacy is so egregious I think the word perpetrated kinda fits better now that I think about it. 🤣
*P E N E T R A T E D*
Can you also please explain the solo part after this
Both are wrong. It's puppet-trated, thank you very much.
Well, I’m just glad to see players enjoying a great guitar from the JEM series. It’s such a well designed, versatile instrument that can produce any tone in any music genre. Thanks for the lessons and pointers.
You also wrote "exposed" in the title instead of "explained" but... you know... whatever.
Master of puppets are pulling your strings
Lol
nice
Ladies and gentlemen, the Hero of the Day
You win!
I'm dead...
That “2.6” harmonic is what I’ve always called “The Dimebag Squeal Spot”
I learnt it first from By Deamons Be Driven.
Gotta hit the D-Spot!
Or if you really want a squeal you can dive before hitting the 2.6 and then pull it all the way up like Darrell did on Cemetery Gates
Mouth for war muted harmonics
Yeah! Dimebag was NOTORIOUS for that sound!
So cool of you to care enough to break it down and explain...not just with this video...this is something you do alot. Shows that you really care about what you are doing and want others to appreciate it as much as you. That's what makes you a great teacher 🤘😊🤘
_Mike, thanks for letting us know that the pinch harmonic was generated at the 2.6 position._ 🎸🤏🏼
_I wasn't able to determine the correct position in the previous video._
I'm happy to know this too.
What's with the italics? Just asking...
I've been playing for 13 years. Did not know any other natural harmonic position than the 5th and 12th frets. Really cool stuff.
The "2.6" harmonic he played is a natural/open harmonic. A "pinch" harmonic is a completely different thing.
I always call it the 2⅔ harmonic
I remember specifically learning Master Of Puppets on a guitar that didn't have a whammy bar so i instead did a pinch harmonic on the open g string and bent behind the nut for that squeal.
lee altus of exodus does something somewhat similar. there are solos on exodus records where it sounds kind of like he's doing a big trem pull, but live you see he's actually just doing a pinch harmonic around the 3rd fret on the g string and bending really intensely
Actually that's how Kirk mostly plays that part in live performances.
@@gercon84 actually no
I may be wrong, but I believe you're right as far as when he plays this solo live...I believe that I read an interview where he said he has one custom guitar that can reproduce this exact sound...but he never uses it 'cause he prefers to improvise
Awesome! I bet it sounded nothing like the original!
1:37 “I can see why it added fuel to the fire” - well played.
Killed me all with that reference
Please laugh
@@isaacmorrow7077 no
@@Vivi_9 Oooh yeaheah.
Gimme fuel gimme fire gimme that what I desire!!!
He pulled the string off the fingerboard and onto the fret end creating a high-pitched Sitar like noise. The producer was like “Meh, just leave it. That sounds cool.” 😄
That's a good producer.
For anyone that wonders why contemporary mainstream music is so fucking bland compared to pre-Pro Tools(don't blame them, Reznor always knew how to use it right) music, this is a big clue...
In performances of The Bends, Radiohead's guitarist Jonny Greenwood pulls the high E really far off the fretboard and gets insane squeals
Apparently he has the ball end of a guitar string attached to his pickguard and it catches the string letting him make those crazy noises
You know what's even more funny? That instruction made its way to even the most upvoted Guitar Pro tab found on ultimate guitar. When I was learning at the beginning stage it made absolutely ZERO sense. I've later learned that tab should be used as a reference and never intended to be "how it was played". Unless the artist themselves wrote the tab, it's someone else's interpretation of how it was executed. Best way to learn is to listen to the record, slow it down and watch live footage to see how they execute it if video is available. Otherwise just come up with your own interpretation. Very glad that a decade after someone finally decided to point it out.
yeah a lot of people who write tabs never ever think to listen to the timbre of the note that is played, and just assign it to an arbitrary string. i always get SO annoyed running into tabs that tell you to play everything on the high strings lower down on the neck vs low strings higher up on the neck when it so clearly sounds like it's using the low strings for that thick sound
Perfect, exactly when i was learning this solo you posted this, thanks Mike!
I remember reading that particular interview in that magazine back in the day. I also had the tab book and made the mistake that the fretboard thing was how to make the whammy squeal. So glad you’ve cleared it up.
We really appreciate this kind of mini videos
Your wearing that shirt was just meant to be haha. Still need to get myself a Master of Puppets shirt.
Same, got a justice and ride shirt tho
same i do have 2 metallica shirts:
1 it has the bands logo nothing too special
2 ajfa shirt. its very colorful and has the setlist on the back. one of my favorite shirts .
i do need to get a master of puppets shirt too
edit: i meant tracklist
@@christianstojgtr i need to get a ride shirt too
I just recently grew out of mine 😪
The thing that should be.
Thank you for clarifying this. You are a genius.
I never did understand the "pulling off the fretboard" idea at that part because that note is lower than the 22nd or even 24th fret.
Thank you for not showing the original part but did mention the shirt. Good stuff, keep it up!
This is my favorite guitar channel man I just love your passion for music
I love these deep dive into Metallica videos. After watching I always pay attention to the track/ album you're talking about when I next listen to it. I find it really helps me hear the licks etc. After watching the 11 main licks in Kill Em All video, I listened to the album again, I could really pick them out and I hear them every time now.
Im really really really loving on these tab videos and anything and everything around it.. This topic is a big-time winner 🙂
Always so interesting to go behind the scenes of all these musicians out there! 🤟🤟🤟
Finally! Always thought it was the whammy bar part Kirk was referring to. Thanks for the clarification.
This spontaneous video really showed how much you cared about your audience:)
Good stuff. I had the same tab book, as well as the ...and justice book and i read the same interview years ago. Thank you for solving a near 20 year mystery for me.
since you're talking about the string been pulled of the neck I suggest you to watch a brazilian guitarrist called Edu Ardanuy he does that on purpose and musically, when I saw that in front of me I could not believe
I've heard of that guitarist but never seen him does it. Could you share some video of him doing that? very curious. Brazil is filled with insanely skilled musicians so it's not surprise someone can make it musical lol
I would like to do it musically in an actual lick, but since every guitar does it slightly different I feel somewhat unmotivated to do it cause I know it will sound different if I decide to use anything else.
Steve Vai does it too.
Did Larry Lalonde and Alex Skolnick ever do this? Sounds like something Satchmo taught his students.
I have an older Ibz and I can pull of the fretboard all over the place and sounds cool
Awesome vid man
Appreciate the insight / clarification !!
It's cool that you actually took the time to record this for those that didn't know what you were talking about in the tab video.. I had a "huh?" moment watching that, until you showed the pinched whammy harmonic. Which, by the way, Ive never figured out on my own, so yeay, learnt something new. 😁
Wow, Loving all these misconceptions I had as a kid being corrected. Please keep making more videos like this.
It took me many years to figure this out for myself. You did such a good job explaining it, man! I think I still own that copy of guitar world
Thank you. I’ve always wondered where that “string-pull-off-the-fretboard” sound was in the solo. I read the interview about 20 years ago so that’s a long time to wonder.
Anybody who has played guitar for even 5 minutes on their life knows what a string coming out of the fretboard sounds like, how can people confuse a harmonic with a out of fretboard note?
5 minutes? That's a stretch. I don't think I would have known the difference even after a year of playing.
And it's not a pinch harmonic but a natural harmonic
@@danejurus69 It's a hyperbole. A year? Depends how much you play and dedicate yourself to the guitar, I could tell what a pinch harmonic was in my first couple of months, dunno about the rest.
@@GitarrenTobi You're right, I'll correct it
Yeah, but when you’re a kid and don’t have anyone to show you, only the tab books, little things like that can drive you insane, especially when you hadn’t gotten to the point of soloing all the time.
Very cool tip! I remember that tab book, and being absolutely baffled at that part.
the video i was looking for months.thank you.
Thank you for clearing it up (even though I have trouble figuring out the sound from the audio you inserted, lol).
I remember that someone even wrote this into a power tab or gp5 tab on UG - kinda confused me when I read that 10 years ago…
I remember reading the same guitar world article and actually trying to fret my E string against the pick-up to see if I could reproduce the natural harmonic/whammy scream. It sounded like absolute balls!! I concluded that the tab instruction was bollocks!
Good video to show that the instruction actually referred to the part before the scream.
Thank you, that definitely solves a long-standing mystery to me! I never knew about the "phrasing" part and I totally see what you mean!
I had (and still have) that same guitar magazine with the Kirk Hammett interview. I love these videos, they gave me so much 'light bulb moments' (or: 'Aha Erlebnis' in German) of stuff that got me scratching my head way back in the day BECAUSE of these tab books 😄😂😎. Great stuff, man 👍🏻👌🏻
Such a great video, Mike! This is why I watch your channel. 👍👊 Cheers from Sweden! 🇸🇪
Awesome, I’m going to go back to that solo and put on those finishing touches,
Thanks 🤘😆🤘
i was always confused as to what part he meant in that interview, many thanks for clearing it up yo
Dude, your guitar detective skills are on point! I don't know how old you are, but I grew up learning out of the same tab books as you, and I too learned a lot of things wrong! Thank you for cleaning up a lot of misinformation. Cheers! 🤘
2 master of puppets videos in a row. Yeah baby!
Wow, I really did just assume he was talking about the whammy part. Thanks for your careful and detailed tuition!
I remember that issue of Guitar World and thought of it immediately when watching the Master of Puppets tab book critique video.
That GW cover brought back some memories! I specifically remember buying that issue from a Barnes & Noble when it came out.
Man, this is a nostalgia trip for me. I remember learning Master of Puppets on ultimateguitar fifteen-ish years ago, and seeing this 'tip'. I could never reproduce it, and it bothered me for so long.
I knew exactly where the pulling off mistake was because I did it myself when learning the solo and thought hmm that's what it is. What I didn't know however was about that "2.6" thing. Thank you very much for highlighting it! I'm going to go and see if I can finally get that bit of the solo after what.... 20 years of approximating it with a pinched harmonic.
Thanks for clearing that up Mike.
That video and this follow up are seriously my favorite things on the internet because I really was convinced it was just me my whole life because I never heard anyone else ever talk about this part of the solo.
I love your videos John Cusack. Big fan. Seriously though I enjoy your content.
8 songs in Guitar World, don’t you miss those days
Great analysis and video!
I stand corrected...thanks for actually reading the comments...you are awesome...
As a younger guitarist, I stopped buying ANY books of transcriptions (called tabs now) because I would ALWAYS have to spend several days correcting the book. Doesn't matter if it's a rock band, a jazz guitarist or the Charlie Parker Omnibook. Lesson: Save the money you spend on these books and invest your time using your ear and write-out your own transcriptions.. YMMV
Since the 80s, I've always used them as more of a guide than note for note translation. More to get you close enough that you can work the rest out yourself by ear. There are very few that are accurate. Anyone going in thinking they are true to the song on every note is setting themselves up for disappointment. Especially now, most online tabs I have looked at are pretty horrible and not very accurate at all, but sometimes it can nudge me in the right direction. I remember the days of working everything out by ear and think it has great value, but sometime the tabs can come in handy. In my opinion a mixture of both is better than either one exclusively.
this book made me feel like a fool. but your videos make me feel more sane. thanks for clearing up all the noise
Really cool vid! Always wondered about it. There’s this guy online that sells these vertical scallop fretboards so you can bend any string off the edge to evolve the style. Look up Groove Fretboard
I found that trick with the string off the neck by accident. I was in a band at the time and our bassist asked me to come up with crazy sounds for an intro. I ended up doing a one string minor scale up the neck on the high E string. I pulled the string off at the 2, 4, 6, and octave after picking them. It sounded really cool with our other guitar player and bassist backing me up with power chords. I had my wah pedal about 1/3 of the way open. It gave it like this breathing sound.
That’s rad! I added vertical scallops to evolve the style on any string up or down including chords. Check my main page @groovefretboard
Mike,you're always giving us fine informations 👍
Dude... you are like... one of the ONLY PEOPLE who gets this right! Well done. Hopefully this is put to rest now. I might do a video about this too (the idea of leaving mistakes in recordings when they sound cool) just to help kill this myth. Its definitely the little run BEFORE the scream/divebomb harmonic wailing. Can't tell you how many people I've "gently corrected" about this.... Half of them still think I'm full of crap and insist the "legend" is concerning the big squeals... Oh well, it's a silly thing really... but still, diehards know the TRUTH! LOL😎😲😂
Perfect!
I wondered about that weird pull off forever!
Oh goodness! Finally, I thought I was the only one who did not buy that "off the fretboard high squeal". Thanks, brother!
Never seen you before and you sound pretty damn good dude.
I'm just glad you cleared that up
The only person who I know intentionally "played" the pickup is Dave Mustaine in the "Loved to death" solo...He plays the rails of his neck pickup (a L500XL) twice to get an artificial 26th and 28th fretted "bended" note, and there is live footage of him actually playing the solo AND playing the pickup from 198-3-4 I think...
I had NO idea! Thanks for clearing that up. Now we know the truth behind the wacky “string pull off the board” part. It is right before the very high harmonic with the tremolo bar.
I've heard that for so long, that one note jacks up. So cool to see it explained. That's a deep dive into Metallica. Awesome work as always.
That shirt is not embarrassing at all. I went to sleep listening to this album for six months straight. Thank you for explaining that. I had no idea how squeals and dive bombs worked until a few years ago because tab books didn’t explain them.
Pulling the string off the fretboard is something I've seen used deliberately before, most notably in my mind is the riff to Spiritbox's "Belcarra." Guitarist Mike Stringer bends the bottom string of his 7 string guitar upwards off the fretboard, getting an almost-sour note that works beautifully in context
Ive actually been fuckin around with this lick for a bit but had learned a way of playing it so you play the actual fret note that the string pull thing produces but this looks so fun i wanna try and figure out this way
Finally been so frustrating not knowing how it was done.
I embrace being the 50 year old guy wearing concert T-shirts...lol...wearing Slayer seasons in the abyss as we speak...😂🤟🤟
I recently wore my Testament shirt to the grocery store (similar age), and while cruising the isles, a little preteen kid who was following his dad around, broke away and said "hey mister, nice shirt!" and threw me the devil horns. That renewed my faith in humanity.
I do the same at 60 with mine! Pink Floyd usually. Cool.
Finally, after 20 years of wondering I finally got the answer! Thank you
Im 40. I had the tab book that said this, and read that same quote by Kirk in Guitar World, and have just had my mind blown with truth. Jesus man! Thank you!!! Its like having a 20+ year old pimple popped.
Me too. That was my first guitar book back in 87. I’m 47 now! I probably still have in a box. I also remember the interview and thought it was that note. Never could pull it off and now I know why.
Now we know how John Cusack made it out of room 1408. Steve Vai teleported an Ibanez Jem with the master of puppets solo included at no extra cost to this good man
I have that tab book. It was handed down to me by my dad and in the tab book he literally wrote that you had to pull it off the fretboard.
Finally a video explaining how to proper play this part.
Too bad I have a strat with a vintage tremolo
Idk where it was that I heard or read, that the high natural harmonic squeal was higher than normal because Kirk popped a string as he did it and because of the tension on the strings of a guitar with a Floyd, the harmonic was higher than usual. That's the part I thought this video was talking about, not the part before, so thanks for that, cleared that up for me. Thank you!
I love this video! I quickly learned that the *fret against the pickup* part in the tab was wrong, yet never connected it to why I also could not make that earlier part of the solo sound right. This, perhaps, explains that infuriating *note in the tab.
Cool man!! Thanks for the video. 🤘😎
Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the false impression too.
I remember my friend telling me this myth when I was younger, and I just thought he was cooked, because he would like show me and it wouldn't work at all like he described. He showed me that same instruction in the tab book, and I was just confused. Thanks for finally giving me closure on this one hyper specific interaction I had like 15 years ago.
Love that guitar man!!
I remember actually reading that kirk interview in GW nearly 30 years ago! Man I'm getting old.
Excellent work!
Great to see the analysis and comparing to tab books! We were all made to think tab books were perfect!
It was a direct quote from Kirk while being interviewed in the Lord of the strings interview in guitar one (or player) magazine.
Very sherlockian of you. I was wrong about this for years!
In Guitar Hero Metallica it mentions this part and also James apparently played the main riff (0-3-5-6-5-3-5-0) on the D string and moved it down to the low E
I have an Ibanez Steve Vai replica gem, and I gotta say I need to get yet another one, because mine doesn't have that beautiful design going across the entire fret board
Vai did it on "Blue Powder" around the 45 second mark. It's reproducible but difficult.
He does it live too. He doesn't touch the string to the pickup though. He just pulls the B string off the fretboard and around the neck a little.
That’s rad! I added vertical scallops to evolve the style on any string up or down including chords. Check my main page @groovefretboard
Thanks for the vids
That makes so much sense. How could we be so wrong for so long!
It took me until about sometime in the last 3-5 years (and I’ve been playing since about ‘90) to finally realize that. I always thought it was the whammy thing, but knew I could do that with natural harmonics, so just never “worried” about it. But it always bugged me that I thought they were saying something that I just intuitively knew wasn’t the case.
Wow so many years of having that confused. When I read that it made no sense at all to me I think I tried it a couple of times but quickly move on. I figured it was something that had to be seen Inorder to truly get it or that it was such a one In a million mistake that it wasn’t even worth really practicing for it. But yeah you totally figured it out good job.
Dude. You’re awesome!
I came across this on my guitar a while back. On my guitar at least, it's not that hard to do. I played around with it and noticed that generally it raises the pitch by a minor 3rd. So if you're playing an E it will sound a G. If you're interested I can record it for you to hear.
It's true that Kirk didn't do it that way. However the sound can be recreated without any trem bar as long as you are using humbuckers (not single coil pickups) to press the high E against and mess with the tension of the string.
2:56 so that’s how John fruscainte gets that sound in the beginning of good time boys.
When I first started playing guitar this happened to me all the time and I immediately thought it was really cool, experitmented with it, and realized it was just way to hard to keep control of. The fact that an excellent guitarist in an excellent, professional, best-selling, genre defining band has this effect on one of their most important songs surprises me. The fact that Kirk doesn't do it live does not. It's just not how the instrument is best played. You'd probably have an easier time training yourself to go for all of those individual notes way up the fret board.
Yes, I remember reading about the slip off the fretboard as well... I believe Kirk said it, but also as you state, he can’t recreate it since it was an accident
My favorite band of all time! Great video!