Agreed, it sucked when they tried it in survivor, it sucked when they tried it in Amazing Race (eliminated before even leaving the starting location). The only difference is those two shows actually realised it didnt work and never did them again... Big Brother doesnt seem to get it.
I have to agree. They all sucked. All of the day 1 evictees had amazing potential as players, especially Jodi. Wil Heuser said that she was a huge superfan and was one of the most dedicated. He watched her as she was counting and memorizing things around the house and that's just day one. She was already preparing herself for possible tiebreaker questions.
First night twist are designed, regardless of it results in half the house safety, someone evicted/banished, a special or broken power, etc. is designed to push to game forward/remind the houseguests they are playing a game, which result in houseguest getting safety as well as someone will be leaving the house whether it’d be night 1 or first eviction. (If the twist yields a night 1 eviction, you know a re-entry/battle back will happen to balance out the overall time flow of the game) A lot of the effectiveness depend on the actual result produced, the aftermath/fallout of it and how it shapes the first week. (Given that Big Brother is a slower paced game due to both length, amount of episodes, and even live feeds, a little push isn’t bad and even can be conducive. Sometimes it can yield a power struggle between two or more sides. Other times, it can yield pitfalls, like more unnecessary controversy than anticipated or create dominant power that strangleholds the house unless said power gets so power drunk that they turn on each other and create a messy situation both good and bad. Had this season recreated a power struggle between two side like last season and had someone in the Gr8ful (specifically someone that came in the later Six Shooters) got evicted and placed in camp comeback, then the story (Unless Cliff makes to the end) would have been at least a little different. It was clear that Big Brother wanted to more experimental with twist in some regards, but it create more pitfalls than I think they were hoping for.
All the twists failed this season. Each and EVERY one of them. Camp comeback, Americas field trip, the whacktivity competitions..... the only thing accomplished was analyse got to wear a chicken suit. A JOKE! 😅
They definitely were not THAT bad, personally I didn’t like Camp Comeback but the whacktivity powers could have been used better for sure. And America’s Field Trip I just purely loved because Michie won and Christie got oofed.
Sometimes even the veto won't keep you safe 1 week later However, just because you are evicted doesn't mean you are out of the game 1 week later Everyone might be scrambling for the rest of this game.
the fake house guest twist was so rude. anyone who had allied themselves with Anthony had just lost an ally, and a number that they were previously probably relying on. so it kinda just gave the shaft to whoever he was allied with.
The point of that twist to create a second Veto comp as a complimentary twist to give whoever, especially the third nominee by losing the HoH comp (Johnathan in this case), was on the block another shot at safety to prevent from being the first real houseguest evicted. However, it was very badly executed on Big Brother’s part. (Note: Mooch has stressed that he didn’t quit and had some awareness of this prior to stepping a foot into the house. However, he also indicated in some interviews that he was keep in the dark about a lot of it. As I said, this could have somewhat effective but get botched on the execution on the Big Brother)
Battle of the Block had so much potential, but it was Derrick that figured out how to exploit it. Giving credit where it's due, I think Derrick manipulating the BotB was what made him such a dominant player in BB16
I find it hilarious that Paul got the round trip ticket, and that's exactly what he had - His big brother experience wasn't a one way road, he went right back in after he lost.
Razar Lamps yeah, but they didn’t screw over the game. I liked America’s field trip because it gave Christie a reality check. And camp comeback was pretty good
Imagine: Victor gets evicted third like normal Get evicted again but WITH the round-trip Gets evicted into Jury Wins Battle Back Gets evicted again. So basically, he could’ve gotten evicted FOUR times!
twists have had an awful failure history lately. Here are some recent twists that have completely flopped: -round trip ticket -tree of temptation -bonus life -the cloud -identity theft -bb20 battleback -power of the publicist -safety competition -nightmare power -camp comeback -chaos power -panic power -America’s field trip -America’s prankster maybe it’s a sign
@@loganhall5978 Yeah. Ovi's power wasn't that good and it wasn't used. Jack's power didn't really benefit him at all when he used it, and Christie's power was not that good either and it also did not get used. This also kinda played out with the Den of Temptation and Big Brother app store.
1000000000% this was briefly mentioned but was easily the worst twist. immediately set his game up for the rest of the season. But lets be honest. thats what they wanted.
The pendant of protection, the super safety suit, the cloud app, Dan Gheesling’s deal with Ollie...wait what? Whatever the case, America granting a player safety is just not a good twist.
This video spoke to me. Thank you for basically explaining why Derrick's game is overrated. Battle of the Block is easily my least favorite twist but everything you said here was bang on. P.S. I low-key love seeing that shot of Cliff and Nicole on the block together knowing that they're both in the final four with all of the people who treated them like crap being gone. P.P.S. The one good think about the MVP twist is that is exposed Rachel Reilly fans' intelligence when they accidentally put Elissa on the block.
I view Derrick as a future Danielle Reyes. Danielle was considered the best female BB player before all stars, but she's not generally included in best BB player ever lists anymore for good reason. Danielle never had to play from the bottom in BB3 since she was never nominated, Derrick is in the same boat. Other BB legends like Dr. Will, Dan, & Vanessa have proven they can play from the top and the bottom.
@@oliverstvchannel6442 You pretty much counteracted your own statement. Derrick's game was flawless because of the twist. In other words, you can't give him personal credit for it. Any fairly strategic, manipulative player (i.e. Dan, Will, Danielle, Vanessa, etc.) could have easily manipulated a nearly season-long twist like that to the degree it did. Heck, the twist is why he was able to avoid the block by putting stronger players in front of him. Derrick's game isn't even top five of all time. Best winner to date? Ha. Dan and Will are still leagues ahead of him.
@@shadowninja6689 I'm only half with you. Derrick's game has not and will continue to not age well. Danielle is still one of the best ever. Anyone who has dropped her from their list has done so more due to recency bias; not because her game hasn't aged well.
I really hated the twist in BBCan with the Angel/Devil vote as well as the international HGs. 2 people go through all the hoops and get on set to just....walk away after being there for 2 minutes sweating on stage. Arguably even worse than a day 1 eviction in my eyes. Especially considering who we got... sigh.
Tiffany Sox you can get the idea and appeal of having BotB. However, It got badly exploited in season 16. Season 17 was better with it, and despite it forming and boosting Johnny Mac’s game, it ran into similar pitfalls, especially when Jackie got de-throned and unable to backdoor Austin.. If they think it a bright idea to bring this back to try again, they need to modify this to where the de-throned HoH becomes a third nominee to better enforce someone can go from HoH to evicted. Likely, not going to happen. First night evictions do suck, but can cause a wake up call to the rest of the houseguest never get comfortable. The only causality I am okay with this is Glen, whether as a team or solo, he lost a total of four straight comps to result in eviction. Since season 18, I noticed they will add a battle back as a complimentary twist to enable this person a chance to get back and play the game and not messed up time flow of the game too much in order to have at least one double eviction in a season.
Camp Comeback could have been so much better if the following had been true: the evicted houseguest still left the house itself and all the jazz, yet moved into a room separate from the house entirely and could watch the comps and the ceremonies on a monitor, all while the rest of the house is unaware. Basically what Canada did a few seasons back.
The twist in CBB2 that absolutely screwed over Jonathan Bennett where the winning pair would compete in their own comp and the loser of that comp would be a third nominee.....after winning a challenge. So so ridiculous and unnecessary.
The point of the fake houseguest twist to offer the nominee specifically the person who lost and become third nominee, Bennett in this case, another chance at staying safe. It was meant to a complimentary twist. However, the execution was “Yikes!”
I think they need to do a season with no more games and it’s just all social with the public selecting the two houseguests that they have to vote for. And maybe the occasional prize competition.
I feel like this is the second time in the last couple weeks I have seen someone incorrectly say the fans misunderstood America as the MVP and put Alyssa on the Block when they wanted her to be the MVP again. If you look at all of the polls from around that time she was in a very distant second place to be put on the Block it just so happened that the person who was in first place (Aaryn) was put on the block by the HOH and therefore ineligible to be the third nominee.
Honestly, myself and every poster in this thread above and below me can produce a much better show than what BB has become over the years. The producers have absolutely no respect for their own game, and that is laughable and even pathetic. They think they have a grasp of their audience and how to draw viewers, but all of their ideas and twists and BS both drive more and more people away and also take away from the integrity of the game itself. They lose more viewers than gain new ones. Now, all that are left are the diehards who drop season by season. Between awful, lazy casting and a group of producers who think they know their audience, well, we end up with seasons that leave the audience feeling as if they wasted their time -- which is the worst thing a producer can hear. It would be my absolute pleasure to fire each and every one of them associated with this show. They deserve nothing less.
I feel as if the Hacker comp and Prankster twist are just watered down versions of Dan’s deal with Ollie. The HOH has no choice in the matter, and it feels like a cheap knockoff.
I think Camp Comeback had potential, especially since someone returned right away and still got to strategize, however it ultimately ended up blowing up in its own face. I do agree it made people overly friendly though. Also, I wasn't a fan of the camp counselor.
i hated the bob but i do have to thank it for giving us the frankie winning the bob by himself. great moment and i remember when i first saw it i was freaking out
@@DevinEDB an icon that constantly bashes Kemi and David, talks to the cameras all day long in desperate attempt to get AFP instead of helping around the house, just ruined the perfect blindside and game winning move by making Nicole overly paranoid of Tommy, threw Nicole UTB and does everything Snacks tells him to do 🤡
I don't think duos, cliques/groups twists are really bad if they're formed at random on night one and the people don't know each other. Especially when the people within groups start to hate each other and have to work together through the drama. ... duos/groups twists are DUMB when the people DO know each other and don't actually have to play together, it just forms an unfair advantage (cough cough Christine and Tommy)
One random twist not mentioned in any of the videos - BB10 and Dan's Jury vacation twist. Its forgotten as Dan basically had it in the bag even without it but it doesnt mean it isnt a bad twist wedged into a season that was mostly twist-free. Its a total misfire of a twist thats pushed aside into a broom cupboard almost as soon as it appears.
After stewing on this, I thought of a few things for both the Hacker Comp and Jeff’s Coup de tat Hacker Comp- my biggest issue with the Hacker comp is that impeded the current and main twist of season 20 of the App Store/Power Apps. Instead, I wish, albeit still overpowered, the Hacker comp was more a complimentary twist to the App Store. Specifically, the winner would been able to hack into the App Store and both granted one houseguest of their choice, including themselves, a power app and inflicting a crap app to one houseguest of their choice, including themselves. Unlike the App Store, the hacker could grant an app to a houseguest that already received one. Ironically, modifying the Hacker Comp in this way, IMO, would somewhat yield similar eviction results prior to the battle back (Scottie still returning) as if there were no Hacker comp as, after Bayleigh, I think Angela, Faysal, and Scottie would all been evicted by either scenario but done by different order and means. (Note: Courtesy of the Whactivity comp twist and a major of doing it in the first place, you can figure what the Re-Draw and Upgrade power apps were.) Coup de tat- I mentioned that Pandora’s box to return the duos twist BBUS13 may have not have been necessary since I could still see Porsche and Rachel in the end without that. When think about, had Jeff not used his coup de tat, I could still realistically see Jordan and Natalie in the end with Jordan winning but in a different eviction order.
They should add a button to the house that says "DO NOT TOUCH" that does absolutely nothing and not tell the house guests. It would be hilarious to see them sweat over what might happen because they pressed the button.
I think if they made Camp Comeback something like a vote system - where houseguests have to vote for who they want to keep - then you actually allow people's social games to speak for themselves, rather than making it a little luck based with a comp. You'd have to give an extra week after the last person is evicted before allowing a vote, but this would let us see people campaign to be kept, and see how they navigate the house to stay. It also gives everybody a fighting chance, and allows tempers to build over time - making for good big brother.
@@janetwelling372 but why would you do that during pre-jury? Also, could do it from the perspective of 1 time twist, and don't tell the houseguests that it's a vote rather than a comp.
@@Charles-if4ty You'd do it cause you don't want someone anger at you coming back in. Think of the battle of the block how many times Caleb was willing to be on the block because He believed his people had his back and they did. One time twist it could work :)
It allows BB to INFLUENCE the game without actually fixing it. But, some powers are pure fixes.Replacing HOH choices and making their week useless is perfect example.
SoViEt UnIoN Actually, had Ika kept Paul and Heather off the block during her HoH reign, she might have survived 5-4 though getting backdoored, even with the letter shredding. Reason: Paul would have been with, courtesy of Andrew and/or Kenny with her, and I don’t think the house would have passed up on another chance to get Paul out.
SoViEt UnIoN in light of the actual events, taking the 5,000 wasn’t so dumb as she was sol (The First Five had the votes) when she got backdoored. In addition to “making good tv”, her moment in BBCan is the reason why I got into BBCan.
SoViEt UnIoN I agree. Actually, had Ika listened to Neda and Adel and put up Andrew and Kenny to ensure one of them going, I can see Ika not only surviving the next round when would get backdoored and shredded the letters (since she kept and Paul and Heather for just one week longer) but possibly making to the end with Jon. However, I think she would had lost to him either 5-2 or 4-3 (not sure where Neda would have voted between those two) with the jury citing the letter shredding amongst her questionable decisions made through the game.
I hated the Hacker Twist so much. It completely ruined the point of even having an HOH. Battle of the Block is awful too and possibly the worst twist ever as well. The number 1 spot still has to go to the Coup E'tat that twist is so stupid and unnecessary to the game Edit: Battle of the Block is also terrible and in discussion for worst twist after these two
IMO, there is a tier of the worst twists in reality TV history, that I'd put in the "joke tier", so-named because they have the potential to turn their whole seasons into a joke: - BBCAN1's buyback - America's Player - Edge of Extinction
@@SunlitSonata14272 Right. It only applied to one player, but it put that player in a ludicrously difficult position. So either the player will be good enough to navigate it, and will likely be controlling the house in favor of America's favorites, or they won't be good enough and get evicted. So AP was pretty much either destined to be a dud or to make the whole season a joke.
DuckKnight actually, that could work since giving all evicted houseguest a chance to make jury would yield a net positive. Unlike Survivor when they return players, Big Brother typically put their return/battle back winner, usually no later than 8, to allow at least some time and opportunity to earn their keep and chance at winning to some degree. Even when Gary returned at 5 BBCan1 , he won the necessary comp to stay in the house, played enough social and strategic to both gain jury favor and avoid re-eviction, and correctly took the one person he could beat to the end. How Gary lost sucks and is why Canada stresses to jury they are voting for the person to win and make sure they are grabbing the right vote when they cast it.
Competitive reality TV shows won't even survive without a twist or two. Especially for Big Brother, which lacks clear story line producers can somehow push via post editing. Being successful or not, at least the producers are constantly trying new things, and I'm grateful for season after season of BB to watch, twists to love or hate, the emotional roller coaster of it all. A twist-free BB will become the end of the franchise. No one is gonna watch those same old type casts playing the exact same old game with nothing changed. Maybe a pipe dream version on Patreon with hand-picked players only, but not on CBS at least.
Angelo Wong The closet to this happening was the first season of The US version, and they alter the format adding a competition element to it the next season and every season after. Actually, even the first season had a twist to it (before they were called that) to offer a temptation that if accepted, would have added the another houseguest named Beth in the house to play.
The camp counselor shit was stupid. I know this is not the first time they've had a first night eviction, but this one feels extra unfair. The worst one in my opinion is Paul though. He was fun to watch and all but... THREE WEEKS OF SAFETY? JUST FOR EXISTING?!
Most people liked the idea of the coup d' etat in S7 and S21 because it was won throught a comp. The S11 one was just handed based on a popularity contest.
I remember the Saboteur twist forever ago...I still find it hilarious that the Saboteur was the first (iirc) voted out! And I wasn't the biggest fan of the Twin Twist, the teams (last season) or the Festie Besties (this season), but I'm glad there isn't a Battle Back of any kind this season XD I didn't even know about a lot of the twists in here, being a relatively new BB fan
BOTB is not a good twist... However, one of my favourite moments EVER was when Frankie won the competition by himself. Caleb shot himself in the foot and he looked really stupid while doing it.
Only ones I disagree with are Roadkill and the Field Trip. 3rd nominees have a similar effect as having a final 3 in Survivor as opposed to a final 2: it makes it considerably more likely that the eviction vote will genuinely be up in the air between 2 people rather than just the usual pawn + target nominations and voting as a house. While the Temptation Comp was definitely the best mechanism to have a 3rd nominee, Roadkill and the Field Trip were both solid mechanisms for it as well. Roadkill adds the mystery element of who's hacking the game, and the Field Trip gives a bit of power into America's hands but still gives the people negatively affected by this so many chances to save themselves. If the show were to ever bring have/have-not competitions I think a good idea would have one of the have-nots to be chosen at random to be a 3rd nominee.
The Coup d’Etat was the most BS twist ever like it’s just not fair because the instant nominees can’t even fight for Veto like i thought it was unfair in BB 11 and I completely lost it in BB Can 3
I think the twists should focus more on harming the players’ gameplay rather than powering them up for barely any reason. Something like the Roadkill challenge but instead the person who does the worst gets some kind of punishment. They could start wuth dumb things like having to be on slop for two weeks or having to wear a silly costume and then gradually escalate them into more punishing ones like not being eligible for the next weeks HoH or being isolated from the rest of the cast a day prior to voting or losing your vote for the week. These sort of punishment based twists allow the players to strategize around them which makes the game more interesting and forces the punished player to be creative on how to work around it.
One twist Big Brother need to not repeat again is anyway twist that only return one person. Even with it up to 2, like they did with BBCan4 with the international wildcard late-entry twist, having at least 2 returning players can potentially add some dynamic with only just slanted both for and against their favor.
I really hope they bring David back for another season and give him a real chance. He seemed like a good guy plus he had the potential to be a great player. Day 1 eliminations are crap tbh... I really wish they'd stop trying that.
@@manolis.799 well I don't know about the Love Island thing but yeah, he definitely hasn't lived up to what a lot of us were expecting from him. Some of his decisions this season have been straight up "derp" moments lol Part of that though could be bc he was brought back for an all star season and he's trying way too hard to prove that he belongs there too. But he'll probably last a couple weeks longer now that he's become less of a target, so who knows... Maybe he can redeem himself at least a little bit before he goes lol
day 1 evictions need to be extinct
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Agreed, it sucked when they tried it in survivor, it sucked when they tried it in Amazing Race (eliminated before even leaving the starting location). The only difference is those two shows actually realised it didnt work and never did them again... Big Brother doesnt seem to get it.
I have to agree. They all sucked. All of the day 1 evictees had amazing potential as players, especially Jodi. Wil Heuser said that she was a huge superfan and was one of the most dedicated. He watched her as she was counting and memorizing things around the house and that's just day one. She was already preparing herself for possible tiebreaker questions.
ASAP
First night twist are designed, regardless of it results in half the house safety, someone evicted/banished, a special or broken power, etc. is designed to push to game forward/remind the houseguests they are playing a game, which result in houseguest getting safety as well as someone will be leaving the house whether it’d be night 1 or first eviction. (If the twist yields a night 1 eviction, you know a re-entry/battle back will happen to balance out the overall time flow of the game)
A lot of the effectiveness depend on the actual result produced, the aftermath/fallout of it and how it shapes the first week. (Given that Big Brother is a slower paced game due to both length, amount of episodes, and even live feeds, a little push isn’t bad and even can be conducive. Sometimes it can yield a power struggle between two or more sides. Other times, it can yield pitfalls, like more unnecessary controversy than anticipated or create dominant power that strangleholds the house unless said power gets so power drunk that they turn on each other and create a messy situation both good and bad.
Had this season recreated a power struggle between two side like last season and had someone in the Gr8ful (specifically someone that came in the later Six Shooters) got evicted and placed in camp comeback, then the story (Unless Cliff makes to the end) would have been at least a little different. It was clear that Big Brother wanted to more experimental with twist in some regards, but it create more pitfalls than I think they were hoping for.
Can you make a video where you propose twists that would be a good idea?
Everybody like this so peridiam does it!!!
Such a smart idea thank you I hope he sees this comment
That is a great idea.
my favorite idea i’ve heard is to have no twists but have julie constantly insinuate that there’s a bunch going on
@@TheMurrmursonbottle That could produce some great paranoia! Of course it could lead to a lot of cringy tears...
1:29 "The unnecessary groups" [pans to Analysis]
Damn tell us how you really feel
Show, don't tell. ;)
Peridiam where did that clip even come from
Peridiam damn right.
how is a person an unnecessary group
the worst twist is christie and tommy already knowing each other for no reason
That wasn't a twist. That was just a poor decision in casting.
Peridiam yeah, I just said it since they made them acknowledge it in the DR on the first episode like it was one
Didnt Holly and Kat also know each other?
@@BigMattXXL No, they just happened to be at the same places but never actually met :)
KingMattXL yes
All the twists failed this season. Each and EVERY one of them. Camp comeback, Americas field trip, the whacktivity competitions..... the only thing accomplished was analyse got to wear a chicken suit. A JOKE! 😅
They definitely were not THAT bad, personally I didn’t like Camp Comeback but the whacktivity powers could have been used better for sure. And America’s Field Trip I just purely loved because Michie won and Christie got oofed.
@@loganhall5978 I thoroughly enjoyed when Christie felt they were picked as America's favourites, where even Michie knew they were not.
@@YTChannel420 She's so hot she gave me a egg laying fetish! haha
dustigenes Yeah Michie might be a villain but I he’s by far my favorite this season.
even prank week was a waste🤦♀️
I really want there to be a season where Julie keeps threatening a twist but it never happens
Sometimes even the veto won't keep you safe
1 week later
However, just because you are evicted doesn't mean you are out of the game
1 week later
Everyone might be scrambling for the rest of this game.
She threatens the diamond coup de etat which also has a mini chaos power and pendent of protection.
The twist... was the twist!
The twist would be there is no twist!
the fake house guest twist was so rude. anyone who had allied themselves with Anthony had just lost an ally, and a number that they were previously probably relying on. so it kinda just gave the shaft to whoever he was allied with.
Not to mention if a solid plan was in place to evict said fake houseguest the other nominees get completely screwed.
Super unnecessary.
The point of that twist to create a second Veto comp as a complimentary twist to give whoever, especially the third nominee by losing the HoH comp (Johnathan in this case), was on the block another shot at safety to prevent from being the first real houseguest evicted. However, it was very badly executed on Big Brother’s part.
(Note: Mooch has stressed that he didn’t quit and had some awareness of this prior to stepping a foot into the house. However, he also indicated in some interviews that he was keep in the dark about a lot of it. As I said, this could have somewhat effective but get botched on the execution on the Big Brother)
Battle of the Block had so much potential, but it was Derrick that figured out how to exploit it. Giving credit where it's due, I think Derrick manipulating the BotB was what made him such a dominant player in BB16
I find it hilarious that Paul got the round trip ticket, and that's exactly what he had - His big brother experience wasn't a one way road, he went right back in after he lost.
wow.
"Your allies should be safe from eviction" shows Rockstar
That was just sad but funny
Haleigh’s zing is still too soon.
'One of the best game players in David' - oh, how the turn tables.
For real David has been one of the worst players ever 😂
Give us a BB season with all of the past BB First Evicted house guests
Seasons 14, 18, 19, and 21 are the only ones that I know of, but I am sure there are a couple more.
They all deserve a 2nd chance. By all of them I mean Jodi, Glenn, Cameron, and David.
This season there were so many unnecessary twists and they weren’t even entertaining to watch
Razar Lamps yeah, but they didn’t screw over the game. I liked America’s field trip because it gave Christie a reality check. And camp comeback was pretty good
It made the first four weeks feel like the game hadn't started
I gave up watching BB21 after a month.
SoViEt UnIoN in theory but Camp Comeback sucked in execution.
Imagine:
Victor gets evicted third like normal
Get evicted again but WITH the round-trip
Gets evicted into Jury
Wins Battle Back
Gets evicted again.
So basically, he could’ve gotten evicted FOUR times!
Chef Doge Studios I believe that if someone went back in from the round trip they probably wouldn’t have had the second battle back
twists have had an awful failure history lately. Here are some recent twists that have completely flopped:
-round trip ticket
-tree of temptation
-bonus life
-the cloud
-identity theft
-bb20 battleback
-power of the publicist
-safety competition
-nightmare power
-camp comeback
-chaos power
-panic power
-America’s field trip
-America’s prankster
maybe it’s a sign
I can’t even remember what half of these do tbh
Don't forget the wacktivities 😂😂
BB 21 was a failure in terms of twists.
Oliver's TV Channel Just a failure of how they were used, some were actually solid they just didn’t get used how people wanted which makes them bad.
@@loganhall5978 Yeah. Ovi's power wasn't that good and it wasn't used. Jack's power didn't really benefit him at all when he used it, and Christie's power was not that good either and it also did not get used. This also kinda played out with the Den of Temptation and Big Brother app store.
Idk if this was a twist but Paul's friendship bracelets was a serious low point in the show for me
1000000000% this was briefly mentioned but was easily the worst twist. immediately set his game up for the rest of the season. But lets be honest. thats what they wanted.
Yeah it was.
Yeah it was the worst.
Not to mention how it was basically rigged for him to get 3 weeks of safety as well.
Was Paul having a couple weeks of safety a twist? Because I think that was bad
Yes that's considered a twist, a very bad one.
The pendant of protection, the super safety suit, the cloud app, Dan Gheesling’s deal with Ollie...wait what? Whatever the case, America granting a player safety is just not a good twist.
It's already pretty bad, but in the circumstances it was in it pretty much ruined season 19
Yeah it was a twist but it was a bad one.
Are we ever gonna see a “Ranking all Big Brother seasons” video
Using tiermaker I would assume?
Everyone: surely they can't create a new twist as bad as these.
Zombie week: allow me to introduce myself.
This video spoke to me. Thank you for basically explaining why Derrick's game is overrated. Battle of the Block is easily my least favorite twist but everything you said here was bang on.
P.S. I low-key love seeing that shot of Cliff and Nicole on the block together knowing that they're both in the final four with all of the people who treated them like crap being gone.
P.P.S. The one good think about the MVP twist is that is exposed Rachel Reilly fans' intelligence when they accidentally put Elissa on the block.
@Zachary Dufanal I mean both of them are making it to final 4 unless a twist happens..
I view Derrick as a future Danielle Reyes. Danielle was considered the best female BB player before all stars, but she's not generally included in best BB player ever lists anymore for good reason. Danielle never had to play from the bottom in BB3 since she was never nominated, Derrick is in the same boat. Other BB legends like Dr. Will, Dan, & Vanessa have proven they can play from the top and the bottom.
Derrick is still the best winner to date. His game was flawless. But yeah, the b.o.b. did kinda factor into that.
@@oliverstvchannel6442 You pretty much counteracted your own statement. Derrick's game was flawless because of the twist. In other words, you can't give him personal credit for it. Any fairly strategic, manipulative player (i.e. Dan, Will, Danielle, Vanessa, etc.) could have easily manipulated a nearly season-long twist like that to the degree it did. Heck, the twist is why he was able to avoid the block by putting stronger players in front of him. Derrick's game isn't even top five of all time. Best winner to date? Ha. Dan and Will are still leagues ahead of him.
@@shadowninja6689 I'm only half with you. Derrick's game has not and will continue to not age well. Danielle is still one of the best ever. Anyone who has dropped her from their list has done so more due to recency bias; not because her game hasn't aged well.
This video could have been hours long, tbh
I really hated the twist in BBCan with the Angel/Devil vote as well as the international HGs. 2 people go through all the hoops and get on set to just....walk away after being there for 2 minutes sweating on stage. Arguably even worse than a day 1 eviction in my eyes. Especially considering who we got... sigh.
Tarvould's Quest what about the BBCan late houseguest twist since season 2 where Canada chooses between 2-3 people and the one not chosen fucks off?
I hated BOTB and first night evictions are PAINFUL to watch. Not good TV... bad bad TV
Tiffany Sox you can get the idea and appeal of having BotB. However, It got badly exploited in season 16. Season 17 was better with it, and despite it forming and boosting Johnny Mac’s game, it ran into similar pitfalls, especially when Jackie got de-throned and unable to backdoor Austin..
If they think it a bright idea to bring this back to try again, they need to modify this to where the de-throned HoH becomes a third nominee to better enforce someone can go from HoH to evicted. Likely, not going to happen.
First night evictions do suck, but can cause a wake up call to the rest of the houseguest never get comfortable. The only causality I am okay with this is Glen, whether as a team or solo, he lost a total of four straight comps to result in eviction. Since season 18, I noticed they will add a battle back as a complimentary twist to enable this person a chance to get back and play the game and not messed up time flow of the game too much in order to have at least one double eviction in a season.
With the potential that David, Jodi, Cameron, and Glenn just throw away, it makes the season less enjoyable to watch.
Camp Comeback could have been so much better if the following had been true: the evicted houseguest still left the house itself and all the jazz, yet moved into a room separate from the house entirely and could watch the comps and the ceremonies on a monitor, all while the rest of the house is unaware. Basically what Canada did a few seasons back.
bb uk does this sometimes too
Agreed
The twist in CBB2 that absolutely screwed over Jonathan Bennett where the winning pair would compete in their own comp and the loser of that comp would be a third nominee.....after winning a challenge. So so ridiculous and unnecessary.
And it fucked the HOH over, because nominating a third of the house and then NOT getting any of your nominees evicted kind of tanks your whole game.
The point of the fake houseguest twist to offer the nominee specifically the person who lost and become third nominee, Bennett in this case, another chance at staying safe. It was meant to a complimentary twist. However, the execution was “Yikes!”
LMAOOO when he said “the unnecessary group that’s just not needed” he showed Sis LOL
Kasem Salim I don’t get it
I feel so bad for 1 night evictees
The long sequence of Julie opening an envelope at the end killed me. Might be my favorite end to one of your videos.
I think they need to do a season with no more games and it’s just all social with the public selecting the two houseguests that they have to vote for. And maybe the occasional prize competition.
I agree with everything except for one.. Anallice was underrated and Brett should've won just for it 😂
He predicted Analyse's nickname before season 21 even started.
Oliver's TV Channel The ultimate puppet master doing puppet master things! 😂
“Just not needed”
*shows analyse*
Yes I’m watching in quarantine.
Without the hacker twist, bb20 would have been a lot closer and level six wouldn’t have had full control
Best part was when you said "unnecessary group" and showed a clip of Analyse
can you do a video of houseguests you love, houseguests you're neutral on and houseguests you hate?
The hate part of it would be majority of the house guests from seasons 15, 19, and 21.
I feel like this is the second time in the last couple weeks I have seen someone incorrectly say the fans misunderstood America as the MVP and put Alyssa on the Block when they wanted her to be the MVP again. If you look at all of the polls from around that time she was in a very distant second place to be put on the Block it just so happened that the person who was in first place (Aaryn) was put on the block by the HOH and therefore ineligible to be the third nominee.
There was a sizeable minority who didn't like Elise and her constantly getting the 3rd nom power, feed watchers tended to hate her more.
Hey CBS, are you taking notes? Because you better be.
Honestly, myself and every poster in this thread above and below me can produce a much better show than what BB has become over the years. The producers have absolutely no respect for their own game, and that is laughable and even pathetic. They think they have a grasp of their audience and how to draw viewers, but all of their ideas and twists and BS both drive more and more people away and also take away from the integrity of the game itself. They lose more viewers than gain new ones. Now, all that are left are the diehards who drop season by season. Between awful, lazy casting and a group of producers who think they know their audience, well, we end up with seasons that leave the audience feeling as if they wasted their time -- which is the worst thing a producer can hear. It would be my absolute pleasure to fire each and every one of them associated with this show. They deserve nothing less.
I feel as if the Hacker comp and Prankster twist are just watered down versions of Dan’s deal with Ollie. The HOH has no choice in the matter, and it feels like a cheap knockoff.
A good way to do 3 noms would be if 2 out of the 3 noms went home
Or if the veto was required to be used and it takes it down to 2 players.
I think Camp Comeback had potential, especially since someone returned right away and still got to strategize, however it ultimately ended up blowing up in its own face. I do agree it made people overly friendly though. Also, I wasn't a fan of the camp counselor.
I agree.
They should have lived in a seperate room behind the scenes with monitors and then they would all come back to do the comp
i hated the bob but i do have to thank it for giving us the frankie winning the bob by himself. great moment and i remember when i first saw it i was freaking out
Never stop making videos! I love you and your channel so much and look forward to it
0:41 Just seeing Paul makes me mad. He’s such a volatile person, I can’t believe he got to ruin an entire season.
LMAO stay mad
Jinx Jade you misspelled 'Cody'
Paul, Jackson, Cody and Tyler are all mean and volatile houseguests
Was season 19 going to be good without him anyway? I feel like it was destined to suck.
Matko 060 agree. I’m just not with these people that seem to think if you took Paul out of season 19, it magically becomes good.
worst twist is Camp Comeback because it brought Cliff back y'all could have kept him
Lol what. The man's an icon.
@@DevinEDB an icon that constantly bashes Kemi and David, talks to the cameras all day long in desperate attempt to get AFP instead of helping around the house, just ruined the perfect blindside and game winning move by making Nicole overly paranoid of Tommy, threw Nicole UTB and does everything Snacks tells him to do 🤡
@@-robert-2429 chiiiillll
But then we would have lost Nicole.
@@jrddino just spilling facts 💅
Do another video on the returning players and show cliffs improvement rating
One of worst twist/rigged was BB19 production handing Paul 3 weeks of safety at the start.
You forgot about the tree of temptation in bb19!
Battle of the block might be interesting if it was the hoh’s battling it out instead of the targets
I don't think duos, cliques/groups twists are really bad if they're formed at random on night one and the people don't know each other. Especially when the people within groups start to hate each other and have to work together through the drama.
... duos/groups twists are DUMB when the people DO know each other and don't actually have to play together, it just forms an unfair advantage (cough cough Christine and Tommy)
12:57 subtitles “or really bad” I dunno if that was intentional but that was gold
One random twist not mentioned in any of the videos - BB10 and Dan's Jury vacation twist. Its forgotten as Dan basically had it in the bag even without it but it doesnt mean it isnt a bad twist wedged into a season that was mostly twist-free. Its a total misfire of a twist thats pushed aside into a broom cupboard almost as soon as it appears.
Yeah, that was a dumb little blip.
12:30
Technically survivor didn’t totallyyyy abandon the idea after Palau. They did it again in blood vs water, although redemption island was in play
Peridiam was talking about BvW itself, not Palau.
The rewind twist that evicted Frankie is literally Gold Experience Requiem
You showed Analyse when you said unneeded
Unnecessary
Extra room that give out goodie bags of powers every week....sounds more like StarTrek than Big Brother 😆
And then they proceed to throw David into an All Stars where he is completely lost. Thanks Big Brother.
After stewing on this, I thought of a few things for both the Hacker Comp and Jeff’s Coup de tat
Hacker Comp- my biggest issue with the Hacker comp is that impeded the current and main twist of season 20 of the App Store/Power Apps. Instead, I wish, albeit still overpowered, the Hacker comp was more a complimentary twist to the App Store. Specifically, the winner would been able to hack into the App Store and both granted one houseguest of their choice, including themselves, a power app and inflicting a crap app to one houseguest of their choice, including themselves. Unlike the App Store, the hacker could grant an app to a houseguest that already received one. Ironically, modifying the Hacker Comp in this way, IMO, would somewhat yield similar eviction results prior to the battle back (Scottie still returning) as if there were no Hacker comp as, after Bayleigh, I think Angela, Faysal, and Scottie would all been evicted by either scenario but done by different order and means. (Note: Courtesy of the Whactivity comp twist and a major of doing it in the first place, you can figure what the Re-Draw and Upgrade power apps were.)
Coup de tat- I mentioned that Pandora’s box to return the duos twist BBUS13 may have not have been necessary since I could still see Porsche and Rachel in the end without that. When think about, had Jeff not used his coup de tat, I could still realistically see Jordan and Natalie in the end with Jordan winning but in a different eviction order.
They should add a button to the house that says "DO NOT TOUCH" that does absolutely nothing and not tell the house guests. It would be hilarious to see them sweat over what might happen because they pressed the button.
Hopefully pressing that button would send Rachel back into the house or Paul. Or Jessie. Or Josh. Or Frankie.
I wish the rewind button caused the week's competitions to be replayed within the hour, as if it were a Double Eviction.
Holy crap I never realized how many twists BB18 had. Waaayyyyy too many...
I think if they made Camp Comeback something like a vote system - where houseguests have to vote for who they want to keep - then you actually allow people's social games to speak for themselves, rather than making it a little luck based with a comp. You'd have to give an extra week after the last person is evicted before allowing a vote, but this would let us see people campaign to be kept, and see how they navigate the house to stay. It also gives everybody a fighting chance, and allows tempers to build over time - making for good big brother.
But then you might get a big alliance to evict one of their own and then vote for them.
@@janetwelling372 but why would you do that during pre-jury? Also, could do it from the perspective of 1 time twist, and don't tell the houseguests that it's a vote rather than a comp.
@@Charles-if4ty You'd do it cause you don't want someone anger at you coming back in. Think of the battle of the block how many times Caleb was willing to be on the block because He believed his people had his back and they did. One time twist it could work :)
Ah the Coup d'Etat also known as the thing that broke Chima.
Great video series, Peridiam. Do you have a plan to do something similar for Survivor by chance?
the twists are always good in my eyes.. it helps my favourite players lol.. like ofcourse i didn’t want jeff and jordan to be separated haha
You didn’t want the homophobes to lose?
They shouldo make a season for people effed over by these twists.
yeah or a season of all pre-jury houseguests
Laura, Kaitlyn, Cameron, Jodi, Tiffany, Dominique, Ovi, Kemi, David, Dominic, Annie, and Brian should all come back for a prejurors season!
Watching this during the new All-Stars. Hearing "David is a good player" oof
hacker comp was so good imo
David being hailed as a great game player is being proved wrong with BB22, yikes
Peridiam: i hate teams
BB23: have we got a deal for you
I was very upset when I learned that teams were returning.
Didn't the Rewind button in BB16 exist because CBS added an extra week to the season?
It allows BB to INFLUENCE the game without actually fixing it. But, some powers are pure fixes.Replacing HOH choices and making their week useless is perfect example.
"We probably lost one of the best players in BB21 with David"
Yeah this didn't age well.
They need to include some BBCAN twists. The letter shredding and triple eviction should be added.
SoViEt UnIoN
Actually, had Ika kept Paul and Heather off the block during her HoH reign, she might have survived 5-4 though getting backdoored, even with the letter shredding. Reason: Paul would have been with, courtesy of Andrew and/or Kenny with her, and I don’t think the house would have passed up on another chance to get Paul out.
Mark Lisowski yep, it was a pretty dumb move in my opinion. However, the letter shredding was great TV
SoViEt UnIoN in light of the actual events, taking the 5,000 wasn’t so dumb as she was sol (The First Five had the votes) when she got backdoored. In addition to “making good tv”, her moment in BBCan is the reason why I got into BBCan.
Mark Lisowski I meant that targeting Heather was a dumb move. She would’ve been evicted even if she kept the letters.
SoViEt UnIoN I agree.
Actually, had Ika listened to Neda and Adel and put up Andrew and Kenny to ensure one of them going, I can see Ika not only surviving the next round when would get backdoored and shredded the letters (since she kept and Paul and Heather for just one week longer) but possibly making to the end with Jon. However, I think she would had lost to him either 5-2 or 4-3 (not sure where Neda would have voted between those two) with the jury citing the letter shredding amongst her questionable decisions made through the game.
Last season solidified David as the worst bb player ever
I hated the Hacker Twist so much. It completely ruined the point of even having an HOH. Battle of the Block is awful too and possibly the worst twist ever as well. The number 1 spot still has to go to the Coup E'tat that twist is so stupid and unnecessary to the game
Edit: Battle of the Block is also terrible and in discussion for worst twist after these two
IMO, there is a tier of the worst twists in reality TV history, that I'd put in the "joke tier", so-named because they have the potential to turn their whole seasons into a joke:
- BBCAN1's buyback
- America's Player
- Edge of Extinction
@@SunlitSonata14272 Right. It only applied to one player, but it put that player in a ludicrously difficult position. So either the player will be good enough to navigate it, and will likely be controlling the house in favor of America's favorites, or they won't be good enough and get evicted. So AP was pretty much either destined to be a dud or to make the whole season a joke.
That 3rd one is survivor. LOL!
Oliver's TV Channel Right, that's why I said RTV. Which, granted, is only BB and Survivor for me
@@christopherjohnson1873 Latest TARUS season was pretty legit if you want
HeavyMetal 2000 I watched it because of the BB/Survivor players
Lets get BB 22: Edge of Eviction and make this list real good.
DuckKnight actually, that could work since giving all evicted houseguest a chance to make jury would yield a net positive. Unlike Survivor when they return players, Big Brother typically put their return/battle back winner, usually no later than 8, to allow at least some time and opportunity to earn their keep and chance at winning to some degree.
Even when Gary returned at 5 BBCan1 , he won the necessary comp to stay in the house, played enough social and strategic to both gain jury favor and avoid re-eviction, and correctly took the one person he could beat to the end. How Gary lost sucks and is why Canada stresses to jury they are voting for the person to win and make sure they are grabbing the right vote when they cast it.
Competitive reality TV shows won't even survive without a twist or two. Especially for Big Brother, which lacks clear story line producers can somehow push via post editing. Being successful or not, at least the producers are constantly trying new things, and I'm grateful for season after season of BB to watch, twists to love or hate, the emotional roller coaster of it all. A twist-free BB will become the end of the franchise. No one is gonna watch those same old type casts playing the exact same old game with nothing changed. Maybe a pipe dream version on Patreon with hand-picked players only, but not on CBS at least.
Angelo Wong The closet to this happening was the first season of The US version, and they alter the format adding a competition element to it the next season and every season after. Actually, even the first season had a twist to it (before they were called that) to offer a temptation that if accepted, would have added the another houseguest named Beth in the house to play.
The camp counselor shit was stupid. I know this is not the first time they've had a first night eviction, but this one feels extra unfair. The worst one in my opinion is Paul though. He was fun to watch and all but... THREE WEEKS OF SAFETY? JUST FOR EXISTING?!
Don’t forget the button that put Paul in the game... again.
I'm surpised that the tree of temptation or Paul's friendship power wasn't on the list because those were that came on top of my head first
What about Battle Backs? I hate the idea of players being eliminated and then coming back in.
love how u mention bb UK to come back and as I watch this its been announced its coming back XD
i miss when "expect the unexpected" meant the players moves in the game and not shitty twists
The round trip/one way ticket twist probably inspired the equally shitty "It's chocolate" twist on RPDR S14
Big Brother seriously needs to put together a new team to make twists because they just don’t have it lol
Most people liked the idea of the coup d' etat in S7 and S21 because it was won throught a comp. The S11 one was just handed based on a popularity contest.
I 100% believe they fix Big Brother. Especially the competition with Frankie Grande. Just as bad when Paul got immunity for 3 weeks.
4 years later and BBUK is back on the air
I remember the Saboteur twist forever ago...I still find it hilarious that the Saboteur was the first (iirc) voted out! And I wasn't the biggest fan of the Twin Twist, the teams (last season) or the Festie Besties (this season), but I'm glad there isn't a Battle Back of any kind this season XD I didn't even know about a lot of the twists in here, being a relatively new BB fan
BOTB is not a good twist... However, one of my favourite moments EVER was when Frankie won the competition by himself.
Caleb shot himself in the foot and he looked really stupid while doing it.
So how 'bout that groups twist for bb 23 eh?
Just looking at the title I know coup de’tat from bb11 will be on it
Paul 3 weeks of immunity for just being in the game
Only ones I disagree with are Roadkill and the Field Trip.
3rd nominees have a similar effect as having a final 3 in Survivor as opposed to a final 2: it makes it considerably more likely that the eviction vote will genuinely be up in the air between 2 people rather than just the usual pawn + target nominations and voting as a house. While the Temptation Comp was definitely the best mechanism to have a 3rd nominee, Roadkill and the Field Trip were both solid mechanisms for it as well. Roadkill adds the mystery element of who's hacking the game, and the Field Trip gives a bit of power into America's hands but still gives the people negatively affected by this so many chances to save themselves.
If the show were to ever bring have/have-not competitions I think a good idea would have one of the have-nots to be chosen at random to be a 3rd nominee.
Nope, still bad and are basically the same thing or are very very similar to temptation comp and MVP.
The Coup d’Etat was the most BS twist ever like it’s just not fair because the instant nominees can’t even fight for Veto like i thought it was unfair in BB 11 and I completely lost it in BB Can 3
Also, they get no time to campaign for votes.
There should be 1 last day 1 eviction, day 1 evictions.
I think the twists should focus more on harming the players’ gameplay rather than powering them up for barely any reason. Something like the Roadkill challenge but instead the person who does the worst gets some kind of punishment. They could start wuth dumb things like having to be on slop for two weeks or having to wear a silly costume and then gradually escalate them into more punishing ones like not being eligible for the next weeks HoH or being isolated from the rest of the cast a day prior to voting or losing your vote for the week. These sort of punishment based twists allow the players to strategize around them which makes the game more interesting and forces the punished player to be creative on how to work around it.
One twist Big Brother need to not repeat again is anyway twist that only return one person. Even with it up to 2, like they did with BBCan4 with the international wildcard late-entry twist, having at least 2 returning players can potentially add some dynamic with only just slanted both for and against their favor.
I really hope they bring David back for another season and give him a real chance. He seemed like a good guy plus he had the potential to be a great player.
Day 1 eliminations are crap tbh... I really wish they'd stop trying that.
He would’ve won too probably
Yeah he’s terrible and wants to be on love island.
@@manolis.799 well I don't know about the Love Island thing but yeah, he definitely hasn't lived up to what a lot of us were expecting from him. Some of his decisions this season have been straight up "derp" moments lol
Part of that though could be bc he was brought back for an all star season and he's trying way too hard to prove that he belongs there too.
But he'll probably last a couple weeks longer now that he's become less of a target, so who knows... Maybe he can redeem himself at least a little bit before he goes lol
Patrick Kelley he said his goal was to get on Love Island 😂 clearly he doesn’t know how to play Big Brother so I think they should let him go there!