The Sorcadin Critlander - D&D: Optimized #54

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  • @landodjango8107
    @landodjango8107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +533

    Oh my god. He has snapped. Having enough of the vicious mockery, he has fully embraced his title and channeled it into divine critical hits.

    • @snarkback
      @snarkback 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      You win for this 🏆

  • @prympax
    @prympax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You, Fine Sir, are a dead ringer for Homelander in the thumbnail! Almost skipped the video (b/c I'm not a fan), but glad I didn't! Top notch D&D stuff as always!

  • @richardbozovich
    @richardbozovich 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I out here on vacation in Hawaii and I'm still out here watching you're videos! Love you and keep up the good work :)

  • @TheRobversion1
    @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hey colby! love the thumbnail! hahah. perfect!
    yeah enjoy the break. don't worry about the comments. i'll be here. haha. oh and congrats again on the 20k subscriber milestone!
    i like the plain background. it helps make whatever you write or show on screen pop. from an audio standpoint, i would appreciate if the volume was a bit louder or you tweaked the acoustics.
    guidance is also great for initiative checks. i'd pick heightened spell to make sure your hold spells stick. i would've picked conquest so you can use your guided strike if needed for your trip attack (since you don't get advantage for that 1st attack).
    spirit shroud is already a bonus action. no need to quicken. imo catnap should be an integral 3rd level spell to the build as it allows you get back your superiority dice, channel divinity, action surge, etc back faster.

  • @ArtStyleJ
    @ArtStyleJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very useful for campaigns that consist of multiple parties that might up in opposition to eachother...

  • @samuelbroad11
    @samuelbroad11 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So this is why good party composition is important, let the dedicated spell casters cast the control spells and the melee folk mop up and attract attacks. If all your martials are ranged uber-builds then get the casters to summon. I've only made it to 9th in 5e so far and even though we can multiclass none of us have because the team gels really well, Lore Bard, Rogue Inquisitive, Polearm Battle master fighter, war domain cleric. Pretty much the old magic user, cleric, thief and fighter group from previous editions.

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah but we can't have good party composition every time. if someone's reliant on a certain combo working alot, better to multiclass. besides, power level wise multiclass is almost always better anyways. you can have a party of multiclassed characters and they will optimally.

  • @comfortablegrey
    @comfortablegrey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you SO much for maintaining a hiatus from hexblade! Neat build, I wonder how it compares to a Conquest Paladin 3/Bladesinger 17?

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      this build does more burst dmg. that i think is clear. colby won't factor in simulacrums, clones and wishes (which is the main advantage of playing a wizard at those higher levels) so the comparison will be just based on the #s. this will win out due to auto-crits.

  • @aaronwidjaja2242
    @aaronwidjaja2242 ปีที่แล้ว

    why not just be a half orc for the exrtra dice? that would add an extra 6d12+6d8 damage right?

  • @samuelkyle9894
    @samuelkyle9894 2 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Silvery barbs as a reaction to a failed saving throw is a very interesting addition to Critlander's toolbelt

  • @DYMTWrecks
    @DYMTWrecks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I miss the open room background, honestly. This almost makes me claustrophobic in a way.
    The ASMR was 10/10 though. I might have to loop the dice sound from that.

  • @richardhealy
    @richardhealy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Glad to see the Echo Knight getting some love. For my friend's Campaign I've made a 10th level Dwarven Ancestral Guardians Barbarian including a 3 level dip into Echo Knight. So now while my Guardians make the hits on my allies harder and reduced damage I Unleash Ancestry and me and Great Uncle Bulgaria bisect foes with great axes.

  • @deschaingames1851
    @deschaingames1851 3 ปีที่แล้ว +186

    He’s gone full Homelander for this one. Be afraid

    • @vernonhampton5863
      @vernonhampton5863 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Anyone in his city, make sure to be in doors and away from the copings any rooftops at nights... if you've watched or read The Boys, you know why. You've been warned.

    • @mac_sour
      @mac_sour ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vernonhampton5863 why am i not surprised that the boys has a comic book series... the very same show making fun of comic book heroes lmao

    • @HoldMyBong
      @HoldMyBong 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mac_sourthe comic book series was made to make fun of other comic book series.

  • @lord6617
    @lord6617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    My biggest complaint the last time you did this - delaying your extra attack feature - was that you didn't have a melee cantrip to at least rely on for at least an alternative. You took booming blade here - problem solved.
    Also, don't forget that every attack that you calculate as a miss in your calculations is a spell slot you didn't spend on a smite, so that resource is available for following attacks or for a 2nd round. So while the nova round against a higher AC target doesn't do as much damage, it ironically preserves your resources from being spent.

  • @jean-christopherouleau1626
    @jean-christopherouleau1626 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Oath of the Watchers for the initiative boost could be really good here. Paralyze the enemy before they move…

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      nice. alpha strike. yup better than conquest if you go that deep into paladin.

    • @givemeanaxe
      @givemeanaxe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly I would have taken that before going too far into sorc

    • @saumjha
      @saumjha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe hex blade warlock?

  • @BLynn
    @BLynn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Level 1:(see above) [paladin 1 & race]
    Level 2:(see above) [paladin 2 & fighting-style]
    Level 3:(@14:53) [sorcerer 1 & sub-class]
    Level 4:(@19:02) [sorcerer 2]
    Level 5:(@19:43) [sorcerer 3]
    Level 6:(@23:43) [sorcerer 4 & ASI]
    Level 7:(@30:05) [fighter 1 & fighting-style]
    Level 8:(@31:47) [fighter 2]
    Level 9:(@32:13) [fighter 3 & sub-class]
    Level 10:(@39:09) [paladin 3 & sub-class]
    Level 11:(@43:08) [paladin 4 & ASI]
    Level 12:(@45:34) [paladin 5]
    Level 13:(@47:22) [paladin 6]
    Level 14:(@49:37) [sorcerer 5]
    Level 15:(@51:09) [sorcerer 6]
    Level 16:(@52:11) [sorcerer 7]
    Level 17:(@52:27) [sorcerer 8 & ASI]

    • @UncleBlerd
      @UncleBlerd 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🫡

  • @sebdoesntreply
    @sebdoesntreply 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Holy shit that little intermission with the ASMR was hilarious

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    • @aaronbrown244
      @aaronbrown244 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Seriously, ASMR DnD optimized guy is what I call you to Friends. THanks for leaning in with your Joke, you gains 1000 xp for slaying me.

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aaronbrown244 ha ha!

    • @jizburg
      @jizburg 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So cursed XD

    • @shmoga
      @shmoga 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jizburg JIZBURG RULES.

  • @jeffjones9411
    @jeffjones9411 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I'm glad you finally embraced your inner Homelander. I've always felt like I'm hearing about optimized builds from Homelander's secret identity!

  • @vernonhampton5863
    @vernonhampton5863 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The thumbnail shows, that Colby has achieved his final form. We should all pick a direction and start running.

  • @CharlesBlazer
    @CharlesBlazer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Amazing build! The amount of levels and effort you put into getting Hold Person as a bonus action (and the long delay on Hold Monster) makes me playfully wonder about the best two-person DPS duos. Imagine what the Paladin/Fighter could do, at earlier levels, if they had a Divine Soul Sorcerer partner doing the Holding. If the extrapolations and permutations seem endless for one character, they are truly unfathomable for two.
    The new background is good, but personally I really liked your previous background. It felt very warm and wholesome, like a fireside chat.

    • @vectorzulu
      @vectorzulu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was about to comment about this very fact. I think you still want some full caster for the extra spell slots for the smites as you'll burn through them really quick even with a dedicated support caster. As for the bonus action you can also up cast any paladin smite spell (Like, Searing Smite) with no limit. But where I very it is dip into collage of whispers for the little extra psychic damage dice for the nova round. Then, contribute more to supporting the saves and hits on your allies after the nova round.

    • @TheHandgunhero
      @TheHandgunhero 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Screw Divine Soul Sorcerer… Grave Domain Cleric who holds their channel divinity until the target is paralysed.
      Vulnerability on all damage from the next attack. :’)

    • @CharlesBlazer
      @CharlesBlazer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheHandgunhero You monster.

    • @jiminkpen9750
      @jiminkpen9750 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the big problem with this sort of build, even as a duo, is that anything you want to do this much damage on has legendary resistance so you'll rarely get the combo when it matters. Hmm... a full party that can hold person/monster could blow through them in a turn.
      Love the thoughts behind all the builds on the channel though, has certainly given me some inspiration, and as Colby said, this is great against pc's without legendary resistance...

  • @noah509
    @noah509 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Highly recommend if anyone wants to do something like this with less nova damage and more support and utility, take levels in Order Domain Cleric. Let's you cast Hold Person as a bonus action, as well as any other enchantment spell. Nothing better than handing out crits without using your action!

    • @chopcooey
      @chopcooey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i don't have anything against order cleric, but what do you get with this over sorcerer in this instance? They are both the 2 only ways to bonus cast hold person, but cleric is just a worse multiclass. I would rather even ditch paladin and go hexblade 5 sorlock, get eldritch smite and get 2 level 3 crit smites per short rest, along with some decent sorcerer support spells if needed, and most importantly, SAD build.

    • @noah509
      @noah509 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@chopcooey Not bad points at all. I just prefer the order clerics focus on support and utility, but Divine Soul kinda makes a lot of Cleric domains irrelevant with how good it is.

  • @northernlights1287
    @northernlights1287 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So I see you got the memo about your doppelgänger or should I say similacrum.

  • @Ramschat
    @Ramschat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    No Elvish Accuracy? Colour me surprised!
    Also, awesome thumbnail, and glad to see you embrace the name :)

  • @lord6617
    @lord6617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    22:30 Ask your DM if they allow you to use empowered metamagic to reroll sleep spell D8's. That can rapidly increase the "damage" that one can deal. Its also worth noting that MANY enemies have strong Armor Class, resistances, legendary or just high saves, etc. etc. A foe like that at half hit points is still very dangerous... yet at half hitpoints they are much closer to the range a sleep spell will effect. And sleep has a 90' range - its eminently useful against fleeing foes.
    The iconic use of a sleep spell like this is exemplified in Critical Role Season 2, one of the early episodes, where the group is participating in a gladiatorial tournament. (SPOILER!!!) They put an ogre or some such that they are fighting (and getting fairly beat up by) to sleep mid-battle, take a round or 2 to heal/prepare/etc. and then all unload on it at once.

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      good point about sleep (and by extension i guess color spray). most people forget/swap out sleep once they get past level 4, forgetting a couple things:
      1. you could use it late in the fight to get the win done faster.
      2. you could upcast if you have dead spell levels due to multiclassing to be able to pull it off sooner in the fight.

    • @ajmacewan7285
      @ajmacewan7285 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      100% agreed, that's why I think people *sleep* (pun intended) on the Feylock getting it as a given spell. BC you always upcast it, it would synergize really well with a Sorcerer combo for both quickened and empowered metamagic, as justBinia suggested.
      Colby should do a video on a no-save based build. Green Flame Blade, Armor of Agathys, Sleep, Color Spray, Etc. Just a fully minimalist amount of rolling for the people that have unlucky d20 roles.

    • @mrjek01
      @mrjek01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ajmacewan7285 I have a friend like that lol. I always feel terrible when they have to roll. They started using saving throw spells, so it was in the DM's hands. I would love to see a DDO build for them to try.

    • @ovbrook3057
      @ovbrook3057 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it was a hill giant, which makes it all the more impressive that the sleep actually worked

  • @TheHandgunhero
    @TheHandgunhero 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    For this build, I would take Half-Orc and use a Greataxe instead of a Maul. But there’s something thematic about an angry Dwarf breaking skulls open with a Maul. :’)

    • @johannesstephanusroos4969
      @johannesstephanusroos4969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Flavour the maul as a (great)pick and say that the dwarf is mining for brains

  • @jamessimpson3337
    @jamessimpson3337 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    That thumbnail is amazing.

    • @fuzzysquirrel
      @fuzzysquirrel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed! 😂

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ha ha - all props to Preston for his photoshop skills :)

    • @fuzzysquirrel
      @fuzzysquirrel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DnDDeepDive I'll take the compliment and definitely share the credit, since it was Colbys 💡 idea 🤘

  • @rolancritz1853
    @rolancritz1853 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    OK, I laughed out loud so hard at the dice rattling...

  • @NightBlade58
    @NightBlade58 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I'm stoked to see you lean into your real identity!

  • @rossburton8775
    @rossburton8775 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Me, 6 minutes in : Nope, that's definitely impossible.
    Me, 7 minutes in : Oh, good point...

  • @BossTripp1
    @BossTripp1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What could you do with a Trickery Cleric and an echo knight fighter? 🤣🤣🤣

  • @HighPhoenix1754
    @HighPhoenix1754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    That thumbnail had me dead.
    But yes, my favorite build at last. > = ) The Sorcadin!

    • @Michael-gq9cd
      @Michael-gq9cd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm building my first sorcadin right now! I've never played either class or multiclassed. Any tips?

    • @HighPhoenix1754
      @HighPhoenix1754 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Michael-gq9cd this vid covers it, but you'll have to decide what you want out of this build. Spellcasting? Smiting? Support?
      And the fact that this is not an early game build overall. Especially if you're doing a 6/14 Split between Paladin/Sorcerer specifically, which I Typically do because I like extra attack AND aura of protection.
      So, for a minute you'll be playing as a Paladin. So, build as a paladin until the level you decide to awaken your sorcerous powers. But, prioritize your Charisma. You can get away with having a 16 in strength.
      This build is about having options. You won't be as good in melee or good as a spellcaster as the pures, but you're here to blaze like the sun, be it through spell or blade.

    • @Michael-gq9cd
      @Michael-gq9cd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@HighPhoenix1754 We are starting at lvl 6. I'm starting 5 Pal/1 Sorc Dhampir. Oathbreaker and Aberrant Mind. I rolled well and after racial bonuses (half-elf) and lvl 4 ASI I have 20 CHA, 19 STR, 14 Con.
      We are only a 3 person party with a Rogue and Warlock so I thought I'd play a tanky/DPS/support/all-rounder. Warhammer and shield, Duelist fighting style (though considering Defence or GWS and maul). I think we'll probably get some cool items before we start so I'm hoping to start with an AC of 19 or higher.
      As I understand it, I probably want aura at Pal 6, but then mostly to lvl Sorc up to increase my spell slots, metamagic, etc. and work on smiting more regularly.
      It may only be around 6 game sessions too, so I'm tempted to take a lvl of hexblade to just pile on early power given that I likely won't see any high lvls.
      What do you think?
      And thank you for your response. Always handy to hear from more experienced players.

    • @HighPhoenix1754
      @HighPhoenix1754 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Michael-gq9cd hex blade, while fun, isn't going to add more than what you already have.
      You've got high strength already and max charisma, so just roll with what you have. You already have a diluted build as is, don't delay spell levels even further.
      Not only that but you've got fewer sessions anyhow. You don't want to delay the things you're getting from sorcerer, especially since you've got few ASI's anyhow.
      Hex blade is a bandaid for a lot of builds, but in your case.. even if your strength was a base 16, I'd still recommend against it, because you're going to need higher strength because paladin requirements, so it actually runs counter intuitive to the build itself.

    • @HighPhoenix1754
      @HighPhoenix1754 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Michael-gq9cd The only time I personally recommend running hexblade is if the build I'm using wants to hard dump strength in favor of charisma and other stats.
      Paladin needs 13 Strength and Charisma to start. You could switch your con and strength around, but now you're out of the best heavy armor because you need a base 15 for it.
      Better to just lean into that requirement than against it imo.
      Besides, if you run it, then it's no longer a Sorcadin anyhow. It's something else entirely.

  • @prestonjones9167
    @prestonjones9167 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I love how you take things all the way to their potential, its so awesome to see characters like this that actually feel like the protagonist from books or movies that can singlehandedly kill dragons and other powerful creatures.
    It could also be a really cool side quest npc, like the Ebony knight in Skyrim. An adventurer who has done it all and is just looking to finally be defeated in combat, adds some cool worldbuilding and also a late game boss fight to give some strong items to your players before the real plot conclusion

    • @fuzzysquirrel
      @fuzzysquirrel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just popping in to day you have the best first name (my name is Preston as well 🤘)

    • @prestonjones9167
      @prestonjones9167 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fuzzysquirrel yooooo let's freaking go Prestons Unite (Critlander where is your Preston at???)

    • @davidpitts5522
      @davidpitts5522 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm feeling this as the second in command under the BBEG. "Critlander" tells any would be adventures to "go home or else" probably without the telling them part. The army swoops in and surrounds the group, back to back the heroes prepare to meet their end. Critlander throws a glove to the ground and paralyzes the entire party leaving after brutally slicing one hero in half and spraying the others with their companions warm blood. Fade to black

  • @glock112983
    @glock112983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Not a fan of Great Weapon fighting style. I think Defense for the +1 AC could be useful with no shield, or, Blindfighting to avoid the disadvantage on attacks from blind, darkness, fog or what have you seems super important.

    • @snake698
      @snake698 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thing is, when you crit and roll a 1 in damage it sucks, but being able to reroll it makes the obliteration consistent, I think that's the point of the fighting style. Your versatile arcane spells from sorcerer offset any hinderance you might have, like being blind, so you're right it's important but you don't need to "waste" a fighting style for that. the AC is good if your AC is already high but that's not what the build aims for, the build tries to get rid of a couple of foes at the start of the fight to recieve less damage, you're a nova dps first not a tank

  • @laughingpanda4395
    @laughingpanda4395 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I play a dragonborn oath of vengence paladin and DA sorcerer.
    I went the first 5 levels with pali (to get my 2nd atk and 25LoH) and just took my first lvl of sorcerer. I've had hold person for a while. OOV gets it at lvl3.
    I took dueling that adds 2 dmg every atk plus I just got the sunsword last session. So far this build has been amazing. I'm hitting on avg around 35 to 60dmg at lvl6 overall. Most of the dmg is front loaded but we havent had a ton of combat encounters and rest has been easy to come by.
    My stats
    Str 19 (dragonborn boost)
    DeX 12
    Con 12
    Int 11
    Wis 14
    Chr 18
    I'm playing CoS and I'm crushing it. +8dmg on each attack or +16 per round is amazing (+4 for str +2 sunsword +2 dueling) and the high Chr paired with persuasion and intimidation has been a great RP boon.

  • @lord6617
    @lord6617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    AAAAY :) Also, I'm so glad you decided to embrace the eye lazer critical hitting aspect of homelander, instead of the milk drinking aspect of him :P
    Also also, sleep works great to create the unconscious condition, so your crit range just becomes their hitpoint total.
    Also Also Also, I hope you work in 2 levels of fighter, so you can paralyze them then REALLY go all out.

  • @landonstout3649
    @landonstout3649 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I loved how creative and fun the editing was this time around! So refreshing in you lengthy videos! Haha

  • @GORtheBULL
    @GORtheBULL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ngl, haven't been subscribed, just started watching a week or two ago. This thumbnail was more than worth the sub lol

  • @jthompson7024
    @jthompson7024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    No joke that ASMR bit at the beginning was actually really nice hahaha

  • @mruthyunjayk4115
    @mruthyunjayk4115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This video was amazing! Much love from India. The Sorcadin is one of my favourite builds in 5E because of its roleplay and combat potential. There's an idea I've been tinkering with that I'd love to get your take on - The DEX-based Sorcadin. This build is my pet project, so please forgive the essay-length idea I'm going to throw at you. 6 Levels of Paladin, any Oath is fine but I prefer Vengeance, and 14 levels of Red/Gold Draconic Sorcerer.
    The Draconic Bloodline is the key to this. Start out with Sorcerer for a Con Save proficiency since you don't need heavy armour. Base AC of 13 + a maxed out Dex of 5 gets you to full plate without stealth disadvantages and a better saving throw skill. The six levels in Paladin also let us add our Charisma Mod to all our saving throws, giving us a +10 to Dex Saves without any feats. If you go with a sword and board build, as I think most paladins do, the rapier means that you're not missing anything in terms of damage. That brings us up to 20, 21 with Defensive Fighting Style, 23 if you cast Haste on yourself, and 28 if you proc shield.
    Now I know that you don't typically include magic items in your builds, but this concept got started since I'm joining a Rise of Tiamat campaign - which has the Red Dragon Mask. This magic item adds your Charisma Modifier to your Unarmoured Defense, which in our case gives the Sorcadin a base AC of 26 (!) and 33 with spells. A Tarrasque couldn't hurt you at this point. There's one more incredible benefit to a Red Dragon Mask- if you have resistance to fire damage, it becomes immunity, and immunity becomes healing. That's right, if you're immune to fire damage while wearing the mask, you instead heal for half the hit-points that you would have taken. Drink Lava like it was a health potion, and cast Create Bonfire on yourself for a healing cantrip!
    Even if you ignore the magic item, in terms of damage the Elemental Affinity feature means that Green-Flame Blade and Firebolt get even better. I'd be really interested to know how you could combine this Sorcadin with your 'Flame-Thrower' Nova build - the damage potential is mind-blowing. The many wonderful fire damage spells sorcerers get means that I have AOE damage for days, as well as Divine Smites combined with Hold Person/Monster for single-target demolition. Also, with skills and spell selections, I could be the Face, Tank, Striker, Healer (more like an emergency medic), and Controller of the party.
    Phew. That was a lot. If you did read through that wall of text, thank you. I hope this idea lit a spark of inspiration (hah-hah) for you the way it did for me. I'm going to be playing this character as one of the new Dragonborns once Fizban's is released for obvious reasons. Red Dragonborn can become immune to fire damage for 10 minutes. Tiamat, here I come!

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the reason why rapiers/dex-based melee builds get eclipsed is not because of weapon dmg dice only. it's access to GWM. anyway good luck with the campaign!

  • @crystalzest2748
    @crystalzest2748 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm about to multiclass echo knight on my archfey bladelock, so I'm definitely eager to see a build that digs into echo knight's capabilities

  • @risperdude
    @risperdude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Love, love, love this! Excited and proud of y'all. This sounds fun!

  • @90benj
    @90benj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    29:00 I have a mean video concept: instead of looking at a character for a build concept, look at some of the official modules and then design a build that deals most effectivly with the challenges. Might be a bit much power gamer, but I sure would love that optimizing.

    • @DesignatedHealer
      @DesignatedHealer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good idea, but metagaming and spoilers abound in the concept. But I love the idea.

    • @90benj
      @90benj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DesignatedHealer Yeah, aside from the amount of work to read through the entire adventure or even play it and then research what and where to do. And yeah, probably nothing I would do at any table, just not spoiler an entire campaign. But if you already played it once for an instance and revisit it or just for the heck of theory crafting, I would love that.

    • @davidpitts5522
      @davidpitts5522 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've built a few characters with the idea of breaking the CoS campaign... it's probably because I don't crunch the numbers like Colby that I haven't picked a best option (to never play)

  • @brianromano9330
    @brianromano9330 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I did a weird version of this a couple years ago in a one-shot. I combined Hold Person/Monster with a point-blank Scorching Ray. I really thought that's what this was gonna be due to the title/theme lol. I recommend the Heighten Spell Metamagic if you are going to rely on a save or suck spell. Was a really fun build. I killed a hill giant in one round from full hp with my combo. Felt really cool.

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      nice. i did that as well. very potent.

    • @jiminkpen9750
      @jiminkpen9750 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was considering something along those lines but don't like the set up turn (prior to the 2 Fighter levels) and prefer the weapon attack variations. Two spells a turn limits them to the action and action surge.
      Wonder what could be a good bonus action to get some more out of the turn...

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jiminkpen9750 doing spell + attack or attack indeed allows you to use your bonus action for more dmg. focus on melee attack also allows you to use the reaction slot as well.
      for bonus actions that i've used with my own auto-crit assassin builds:
      spell action: feinting attack, quicken spell
      attack action: hunter's mark, spirit shroud, hex, cunning action-dash (if the melee needs to close in)
      for reactions: brace

  • @itwasidio1736
    @itwasidio1736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I knew it! Finally, he reveals his true identity!

  • @dbacon1975
    @dbacon1975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My son was so excited when I showed him this build. He loves his shadow sorcerer and his Paladin. I asked him if he wanted to mix them and we followed your build. He's in heaven. Only modification we made was switching sorcerer to shadow. The hound helps give disadvantage to the person you're trying to land a hold on. It takes 2 rounds instead of 1, but it's so cool when he can set it up and it's more consistent.

  • @yurirobin
    @yurirobin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Ok, you convinced me, Sthrad is a sorcadin now.

    • @Plamkton
      @Plamkton ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait why would he be a sorcadin?

  • @dainslatton9877
    @dainslatton9877 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The issue I see is that using Booming Blade is no longer using the attack action, so it doesn't work with that echo knight feature, right? So really you'd want that extra attack feature more than you'd wanna rely on booming blade probably. So you probably are gonna want that extra attack from paladin before you bother with that 3rd level of fighter.

  • @chrislieu6757
    @chrislieu6757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Self deprecating humor. I love it.

  • @tylllllllluuuuuurrrr
    @tylllllllluuuuuurrrr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the Office much better than grey wall. Enjoy your vacation.

  • @Onorel
    @Onorel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I know "you freaking damage sl**" is kinda cringeworthy, but it made me laugh my butt off.

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m glad! I hope it induced more laughs than cringes.

    • @Onorel
      @Onorel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DnDDeepDive Nah, that was hilarious.

    • @extrasaucy9166
      @extrasaucy9166 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DnDDeepDive it was gold

  • @surajp931
    @surajp931 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This might be a dumb question, but could this build be brought into 3.5?

  • @BrickInTheHead
    @BrickInTheHead 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:02 MATH ROCKS GO CLICK CLACK

  • @Reoh0z
    @Reoh0z 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It might not be official Core D&D but it's Core Adjacent.

  • @mrjek01
    @mrjek01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really fun build with lots of roleplay value. I like the idea that in rnd 1 you set up your divine weapon and echo as an Avatar of yourself (unless you have time to pre-cast). Then rnd 2 nuke! Then become team support back with the group (for aura) while occasionally attacking from echo's position.

  • @crownlexicon5225
    @crownlexicon5225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    23:00 I mean, sleep doesn't have to be used right away. If you're fighting something with, say, 80 hp (seems reasonable for 5th level) you get it bloodied *THEN* use sleep. Get your auto crit then

  • @tuaa33
    @tuaa33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice!!! Critlander xD

  • @Reoh0z
    @Reoh0z 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had an arcane trickster character whose whole thing was sleeping his enemy for control, then waking them all up with a crit stab. Was highly effective at the low levels that I played him at.

  • @oldwaysmusic
    @oldwaysmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kolby should just go ahead and start doing these shirtless that way we can all die happy and he just becomes unstoppable.

  • @TheDarthnazrael
    @TheDarthnazrael 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every time you said 'd4' when describing Bless, I was expecting you to point down to the d4: D&D Deep Dive logo, the way you point up to the title cards.

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha! I'll try to remember to do that in a future video and if I do, you'll know it's for you :).

  • @rehecke7124
    @rehecke7124 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you! This build will definitely be the muscle for the BBEG in the next play-to-epic-level campaign I DM... which is currently in the works. :D
    I'll be sure to point my players to your channel before they build their characters just to make it fair. ;)

  • @RyanSSmith
    @RyanSSmith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Haha my buddy and look you a lot a like and I always call him Homelander too. Good to see you embracing your inner villain!

  • @adamelalouf3600
    @adamelalouf3600 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Half orcs would work well too for that bonus to crit damage
    That would probably mean you’re better off using a d12 weapon like a greataxe

  • @austinburant7114
    @austinburant7114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We all knew that this thumbnail was going to happen someday.

  • @hoppyhopper2020
    @hoppyhopper2020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On a side note: Me- a willing DM who is making a campaign to lead down the line- watching this video: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, BBEG TIME F**KERS!!!!!" >:D

  • @obro24
    @obro24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should make some type of jedi/sith build that would be super cool!

  • @Snowy123
    @Snowy123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes you should make ASMR videos

  • @leek5242
    @leek5242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think it would be pretty cool to see how you would do a horizon walker steelwind strike teleporting shenanigans build

    • @itwasidio1736
      @itwasidio1736 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's just Five from Umbrella Academy or Tracer from Overwatch.

  • @theQch3n
    @theQch3n 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So... about that ASMR channel? 👀

  • @jaforewit
    @jaforewit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should take a look at this!! Archer Assassin Nova (I'm showing at lvl 13)
    Rogue Assassin lvl 4
    Gloomstalker Ranger lvl 5
    Echo Knight Fighter lvl 4
    Race: Wood Elf (+2 Dex, +1 Wis)
    Stats: 15 Dex, Wis, and Con (all feats boost dex)
    Feats: Elven Accuracy, Sharpshooter, Piercer
    Weapon: Longbow
    DAMAGE: 344 avg

    • @-Lindol-
      @-Lindol- 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How do you figure that damage?

    • @jaforewit
      @jaforewit 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@-Lindol- Surprise 1st round:
      +6 to hit (+4 dex, +2 archery fighting style, +5 proficiency, -5 sharpshooter)
      Triple advantage from elven accuracy and dread ambusher
      8 attacks using action surge: 4 normal attacks, 2 attacks from dread ambusher (+1d8 each), and 2 attacks from Unleash incarnation.
      Sneak Attack (2d6 once)
      Hunter's Mark (1d6) ©
      auto crit from Assasinate
      Piercer (1d8 on crits)
      Longbow base damage : 1d8 +4 (dex) +10 (sharpshooter)
      Total Damage:
      1st hit: 2d8 + 1d6 + 14 + 2d6
      2nd hit: 2d8 + 1d6 + 14 + 1d8
      3rd hit: 2d8 + 1d6 + 14
      4th hit: 2d8 + 1d6 + 14
      5th hit: 2d8 + 1d6 + 14
      6th hit: 2d8 + 1d6 + 14 + 1d8
      7th hit: 2d8 + 1d6 + 14
      8th hit: 2d8 + 1d6 + 14
      All dice doubled for auto crit (because of surprise round assassinate) = 36d8 + 20d6 + 112

    • @jaforewit
      @jaforewit 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I didn’t add the calculation for AC, but elven accuracy Really helps make everything hit (I also assume that you use sharpshooter)
      On a normal round you would only do 2 attacks instead of 8

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nice. the popular fighter/gloomstalker/assassin build regarded as the best martial nova in the game. only thing i'd change is i'd pick half-wood elf. get an extra stat boost and the same benefits you get from the wood elf. the build doesn't need trance anyway. that's the tradeoff for the +1 stat. you can still get the advantage to charm saves and the +5 move speed.
      one caveat though. it's an echo knight. that's why i put fighter in the previous paragraph. alot of tables don't allow the echo knight unless playing in wildemount. in those cases i'd pick battlemaster over the echo knight but yeah the core structure is the same. i've played a very similar build to what you stated and yeah it deals absurd dmg.

  • @bennettftomlin
    @bennettftomlin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I disagree on Sleep becoming worthless at higher levels. Upcasting it and targeting it at only a single target can take an injured 'boss' to sleep so you can restrain and prepare to question/interrogate them. Requires a bit of timing, but still useful. Also a great way to deal with a bunch of angry guards or commoners who you want to get away from without hurting

  • @ddtalks2821
    @ddtalks2821 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    (41:40) - Sacred Weapon - If you know you are going into a fight... activate it before initiative. it lasts 1 min (10 rounds) and most fights dont last that long (especially if you are dealing out the damage)

  • @offdeez21
    @offdeez21 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sorry im a little confused, wouldnt u need war caster for this build to work as hold person uses semantic components?

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  ปีที่แล้ว

      A two handed weapon wouldn’t require you to always keep both hands on the weapon at all times. No reason you couldn’t put your sword tip in the ground while you wave your hands :)

  • @kclubok
    @kclubok 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A fourth way (albeit not a very practical one) to get guaranteed crits: Be (or hang out with) a Divination Wizard, and stay at home on any day when you don't roll a 20 on one of your portents.

  • @DesignatedHealer
    @DesignatedHealer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Colby is away, post illegal builds and odd ability scores in the comments!

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Critlander is always watching...

  • @JaminHGrilla
    @JaminHGrilla 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think I'll be using this build for a NPC enemy build! Great work.

  • @Keln02
    @Keln02 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man, i had to double take 😂

  • @abedrahman4519
    @abedrahman4519 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love that the Joke he looks like Homelander came full cricle

  • @insertphrasehere15
    @insertphrasehere15 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ah... the chad sorcadin.

  • @Gradeius
    @Gradeius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Although you dont normally do anything with magic items if anyone does go for this build the shard of the shadowfell makes this type of build pretty insane letting you use your bonus action stuff and apply disadvantage to saves at the same time.

  • @dfrever216
    @dfrever216 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the funnest way to play this build would be to deliberately not actually use the nova damage, maybe even use a shield and one hand, and support the team. Then, when a great evil appears and all seems gloom you surprise the party with a gigantic nova and save the day. Would be totally worth many sessions of play to suddenly come out as the savior.

  • @loganomer7444
    @loganomer7444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Congrats on 20k! Enjoy your time off

  • @carterhalo255
    @carterhalo255 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He did the thing!!

  • @beckerscantbechoosers6768
    @beckerscantbechoosers6768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Pick your favorite (Metamagic), and make sure you get Quickened Spell."
    Me, a connoisseur of the Quickened Spell:
    "Um...I double pick Quickened Spell."

  • @aleaf4098
    @aleaf4098 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    really easy to turn this crazy build into a hyper tank with stuff like shield, silvery barbs and absorb elements all available at any time as well as having haste, shield of faith and misty step when needed

  • @fateric007
    @fateric007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He's finally embracing the meme

  • @definitelynotcole
    @definitelynotcole 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That Title though oh my God! I just had to click on it.

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ha ha - all props to Preston for his photoshop skills :)

  • @anthonycassidy1124
    @anthonycassidy1124 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Colby did you know that the order cleric as a class feature to change any enchantment spell from an action to a bonus action like hold person might be able to squeeze a little more damage out knowing you you already know this hehehehe

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a great feature! 6 levels is a hefty investment, but would be fun to try and build around...

    • @anthonycassidy1124
      @anthonycassidy1124 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DnDDeepDive I have faith in you critlander your our only chance against the dark

  • @theJoPanda
    @theJoPanda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'M HERE FOR THE MEEEEEEEMEEEEEEEEE ! :) ... but will definitely watch it properly later ! lol

  • @Rekalus
    @Rekalus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sleep can be used on an enemy after a mild beating reduces their current hit points to a more manageable number. A coordinated party can use this for bring-them-in-alive style bounties.

  • @-Lindol-
    @-Lindol- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My Critlander was a half-elf Paladin 3 Hexblade 17 warlock with GWM, Elven Accuracy, a Vorpal Greatsword, and foresight for constant advantage. Sure she only has 4 5th level slots, and 3 1st level, but that's enough to make Shield usable, and to do a Divine Smite and an Eldritch Smite on the same hit.
    Throw in a potion of giant size from Storm Kings Thunder and she did 60d8, and 12d6 in one hit on the final boss, killing it in a turn.

  • @jbsmarine
    @jbsmarine 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dragonlance and... very interesting Birthright are my favorites. Especially good aligned Paladins and The Ivory Tower.

  • @grizzly1386
    @grizzly1386 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Earned my Sub with the Sturm Brightblade reference!!

  • @leohale6449
    @leohale6449 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Colby how would you build this character if Echo Knight is not available?

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      he said he'd pick battlemaster.

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, Battlemaster!

  • @shotgunridersweden
    @shotgunridersweden 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You can actually use the unleash incarnation twice when your using actionsurge

  • @hella_lugosi
    @hella_lugosi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You said to not play this build in Curse of Strahd but smites do extra damage to fiends and undead, so you would still so a ton of burst damage in that setting even without Hold Person.

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good point!

    • @anothercrazyenglishman3494
      @anothercrazyenglishman3494 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A friend of mine went assassin rogue 3, vengeance paladin 7 for a CoS oneshot we did (Strahd Dies Tonight!) And it was GLORIOUS. He got one of those hidden autocrits off on the vampire himself and dealt over 50 damage on a light crossbow shot. There's definitely a Sorcadin build out there specifically for hunting vampires

    • @anothercrazyenglishman3494
      @anothercrazyenglishman3494 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DnDDeepDive Speaking of, perhaps a good build would be the Vampire Hunter, or the X Hunter, which looks at a specific statblock of an enemy and works out how best to hunt those creatures. Makes absolutely no sense from a metagaming point of view, but could be a fun experiment. Dragon Hunter could be dope.

  • @mauito5
    @mauito5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video! I like the other background a lot more (a gray background can be a bit too cold imo, specially when talking numbers and stuff) but I really really like the editing in this one, super fun!

  • @muffinhydra
    @muffinhydra 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hum any opinion on Adamantine Weapons? If the DM allows them it might be interesting for this build. Also if you take a maul and get booming blade early on you should take a feat at level 1 : crusher. That way when you do booming blade you can move the enemy 5 feet away. If they are a 100% melee character or have shitty range they will either stand around and do nothing or try to approach you into meelee combat again triggering the booming blade.

  • @robertcalin7971
    @robertcalin7971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was planning to make a Janne D'Arc type of character, I wanted her to be a Divine Soul Devotion Sorcadin too, good thing I stumbled upon your video to make the build shine

  • @simonrajj
    @simonrajj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video! So funny to see you embrace the memes. Would love to see a artificer sniper build with either weapon or spell focus. If anyone can calculate
    The best build there it's you!

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      when you say sniper do you mean guns or are other ranged weapons fair game?

    • @simonrajj
      @simonrajj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRobversion1 Any type of ranged combat be it either spells or weapon attacks. Just from the top of my head. Mind goes to steady aim cunning action and some sharpshooter shennanigans. Or the spell sniper feat. Paired with Arcane firearm

    • @DnDDeepDive
      @DnDDeepDive  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      On the list!

    • @TheRobversion1
      @TheRobversion1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@simonrajj does it have to be pure artificer or multiclassing allowed? does artificer have to be the main class (at least for tier 1-2 play) or are artificer dips are fine early then added more at the back end (tier 3-4)?

    • @simonrajj
      @simonrajj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DnDDeepDive you have crafted a very enjoyable channel! Thank you!

  • @duckmandude
    @duckmandude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think I'll take the credit for Critlander but if someone else has the claim I'm open to sharing

  • @KMT719
    @KMT719 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @DnDDeepDive I am already playing a Mountain Dwarf Vengeance Pally / Divine Soul Sorcerer (Pally 5 / Sorcerer 1). Our DM introduced a Deck of Many Things into the game which gave me a permanent +2 to Charisma. My DM is letting us switch to point buy for our stats, but doesnt let us reassign racial bonuses so I will for sure have a +2 STR, +2 Con, and +2 CHA. What would you recommend for stats using point buy? For my level 4 ASI I bumped both STR and CHA by 1. I wouldn't plan on the echo knight dip from this build.