Part 4! Such an interesting, captivating (and unexpected) piece both from musical and narrative perspectives. Early access for this video is already available on my Patreon if you'd like to catch it sooner! Part 5 will be there in the coming days as well :]
Most Greek men tend to be portrayed as at LEAST bi-curious (as Red from OSP puts it- 'with a wife he likes alright and a boyfriend he likes way more'), but part of Odysseus's whole thing is that he's super faithful to his wife (especially in this version), so any romantic interest is just the interpretation of the animator. Also, Jay specifically says that he gives Odysseus a nylon-string guitar when he's opening up emotionally.
Culturally it was expected of every men to be attracted to women, and boys, importend destinction, not otger men but boys.... Thats why amcient greek philosophers argued about achilleus and patrocles being a couple or not, cause the foemwr was no question the morw powerful, but the later portrayed as a man, while achilleus was portrayed as a boy, they do not fit the powerdynamic as expected.... They did not care about the gender you were atracted to, but whatever you where a top or bottom and being a bottom as a man was very much shameful. Towprds the end of thw war achileus would have been way to old for it to still be socially acceptable for him to be with a man.... Gayness in ancient greek is a difdicult topic and sadly has a lot more to do with what we now call pedophilia and stutatory rape, then well, homosexuality
In the musical, they’re supposed to be childhood best friends, as Odysseus is devoted to his wife Penelope. Though I can see Polites and Odysseus together as a fun headcanon.
Lol, in this story, Odysseus and Polites are genuinely best friends. Odysseus has only one person in his heart, and that's his Queen Penelope. But Odysseus and Polites have great chemistry.
Yep. And considering how this is Greek mythology and everyone is probably bisexual it wouldn’t be too out of character. Especially after listening to your light. It’s a very nice head cannon and just a fun idea
@@123Koizora123There were the seven years when Calypso detained Odysseus on her island in attempts to "convince" him to become her immortal husband. Sources vary on claims that they had children together but that relationship was nowhere near as harmonious as his year-long relationship with Circe
@@love_to_read_ you say Harmonious but: Hermes straight says "Yo Fk my ex or bad things will happen" (paraphrased). And before their first... event(?) Ody says something along the lines of "Swear that if I do this you will not harm me or my men again." I'd also argue that Circe enchanted him, nothing strong but likely there. After all it isn't until one of his men (Polites or Eury, I can't remember) comes forward and is like "Sir the men all agree it's time to go home." That Ody says , again paraphrased, "Oh yeah, let's go home."
The animators get direct inspiration/information from the actual Odyssey story. They do take some artistic liberties here and there ex. the lotus eaters were just humans in the original story. You also made a good connection with Percy Jackson because the lotus casino was also based on this part of the Odyssey story!
Also no one and nothing in greek myth cared about morality, jorge tells his own story about morality follpwing the myth without betraying the source material
I think the thing that stood out to me about this song is you can obviously hear Polites' smile through the singing. He's being so genuine and hopeful to try and get through to Odysseus.
in the Odyssey, lotus causes people who eat it to be in a state of bliss and never want to leave the island, hence Odysseus stops his men from eating them so they can go home.
I remember when OSP Red was describing Achilles as the epitome of ancient Greek manliness, "with a wife he likes alright and a boyfriend he likes much more." So, it's very possible that he loved Penelope enough to strive this hard to return, and loved Polites as much as well.
@@1mtry1ng_myb3zt I don’t know if the original replier was saying no to the interpretation as being common in Greek Mythology or whether it was just a no in the case of this story (and they could’ve been clearer about that). Because in general, many did, yes. But, in the case of Odysseus, he’s generally portrayed as very faithful to Penelope, and especially so in Epic. I mean, later in the Act, he was able to punch through an enchantment placed on him by Circe with his determination not to cheat on her. And in Act 2, it’s even a plot relevant detail, when Athena convinces the final gauntlet member, Hera, to release him with the *thinly* veiled gut punch to Zeus of, “never once has he cheated on his wife.”
I’m pretty sure that flash at the end of the song was just the next song with Athena happening, she has the ability to sort of freeze time and have whole conversations and flashbacks in an instant! (Or in this case a song)
The "flower creatures" are actually officially part of Epic, they're called Winions, and there are even plushies. The Lotus Eaters on the Island of the Lotus Eaters in Homer's _The Odyssey_ are just people.
I would love a collab between you, Mortius and Casper reacting to at least one song! Also, please get distracted by the story- this is a musical after all!
04:01 Ahem... well... for a part of Epic fandom Odysseus and Polites are the greek Alexander Hamilton and John Laurence. If you know you know. They're very close buddies. But Ody got his Penelope... who he hasn't seen for 10+ years.... **looks off into distance* And after that question, reacting to the cut song "Your light" is mandatory
They are just really good childhood friends but i get where you come from as i got the same vibes That being said old greek customs would be if you tossed an apple to someone and they catch it would be a proposal of marriage catching it being a sign of acceptance
The thing about it being like a side quest is actually something i think about a lot of moments on the musical! Like some songs are more transitory to bigger moments. Since Jorge took a lot of inspiration from videogames, i think it's fitting 😂
Yes! I don't understand why so many people label Ody as gay when his core goal to return to his wife and son. Everyone was upset before full version of There Are Other Ways he might be cheating, yet have no problem shipping him with Polites. Why can't he just have a very close platonic friend?
@@seohyeonchoi2150 oh ya totally what childhood best friend you have that do not seem like siblings and the dynamic would sort of be like that animation
Not with other women at least, but going with greek standards, he is perfectly free to sleep with proatitutes, slave women or boys, just id he went for a woman of status it wouls count as cheating!!!
the chimes that you're hearing is actually a kalimba, which jay has mentioned when creating the "Open Arms", i think it's his chosen instrument for Polites 🥰💖
If you're familiar with Percy Jackson, you'll recognize a lot of stuff in Epic, because "The Sea of Monsters" had a lot of stuff from _The Odyssey_ in it.
Don’t know if someone said this, but it’s really cool that you noticed the guitar showing up when Odysseus is singing because Jorge has said that all the characters are represented by different instruments! Odysseus is various guitars, Polites is marimba and other similar instruments, etc.
I like that we hear many different TYPES of guitars for Odysseus, too. Like Peter pointed out in this song, the guitar that comes in when Odysseus points out the fact that they’ve been given lotuses is a little more synth-y, but it’s not the badass electric guitar we get in The Horse and the Infant when he’s being a master strategist…nor is it the gentle acoustic we get when he’s being more emotional. It’s something in between-he’s being gentle to Polites, pointing out that his open arms mantra would be disastrous in this instance, but he’s still being clever and strategic by *noticing* the danger. Everything about the composition of this whole musical feels so *intentional,* and that’s my favorite thing about it.
You should definitely give "Your Light" a listen for more of Odysseus and Polities's story. It's a cut song from the musical, but it has an animatic and it is worth listening to. Great reaction and I love your commentary! ❤
The Odyssey is the sequel to the Illiad. It's the travel journal of Odyseus' road trip home. The entire story is that Odyseus keeps getting pushed to side quests instead of getting home. Lotus Eaters are the ancient version of addicts on hallucinogens.
If you read Percy Jackson Sea of Monsters, that book is a loose retelling of the Odyssey! So you may continue to recognize the characters as the musical progresses!
Odysseus: Ahem Peter: I hear guitars! I highly recommend brushing up on the Iliad and the Odyssey if only for your own pleasure. I love the look on people's faces when I tell them the insanely famous Trojan Horse doesn't appear in the Iliad and barely gets a mention in the Odyssey. (It's featured more in the Aenid, which is Roman literature.)
I would say Polities is Odysseus third most important person for him after Penelope and Telemachus of course (his wife and son) but it safe to say that they are really close and i won't be surprised if Odysseus preferred man, Polities might be his partner after all😂😂😂 but in this story they're just homies frr.
i am so glad you’re reacting to these songs and animations!!!! One recommendation I have is that in the second saga, you watch mircsy’s animatics for “polyphemus”, “survive”, and ESPECIALLY theirs for “my goodbye”. it is amazing!
Considering Odysseus and Polites are ancient Greeks and it was completely normal to "take comfort" with the band of warriors you'd grown up learning and fighting with you're probably not wrong. It wouldn't have even been considered cheating, it was just a reality of military life and "keeping it in the unit" made sure the soldier wouldn't end up with venereal diseases during campaigns. The neighboring Greek city-state of Sparta was infamous for young brides dressing as a member of their groom's military company complete with shearing their hair off so they could share in the intimate and very physical love their new husband shared with the soldiers in their unit for their wedding night (it was believed there was no greater intimacy than between soldiers and allowing his wife to pretend to be one for their first night together was a great act of love and acceptance) lol. Odysseus' great love of his life is Penelope but there's no denying he also loved Polites dearly.
There are several musical themes to keep an eye out for. One is the danger motive. You noticed the guitar come in, it came in when Odysseus sand his instrument is the guitar range from acoustic when in a normal mind set to electric when his emotions and rage get the better of him. So its fun spotting all the instruments.
So basically, the whole percy jackson casino lotus eaters thing comes from the Odyssey, so both stories share/are influenced by the same source material!
But it's normal when you're very close to someone that is a good friend of yours to have that closeness and kind of chemistry but in a friendly and platonical way, people just somehow tend to see all closeness like romance (or possible romance) for some reason (they always have even in the past), like two guys apparently can not be too close to each other or they are gay and there are romantic feelings involved (which is a lie, great friends even with your own sex with which you are too close to and confortable with exist), the same way that it's seen many times with a boy and a girl, like if they are too close being of opposite sexes they can't be just friends or best friends, they have to have romantic feelings for each other, which also isn't true, a man and a woman that aren't blood related can also be very close to each other and love each other platonically, not all closeness or apparent chemistry between two people is romantical, you can also get very well along with someone and have chemistry with someone independently on whether they are a man or a woman but still be a platonical love, someone you deeply love and care about and you would even put your life at risk to protect them but not in a romantical way, it just seems that people aren't able to wrap their heads around that concept and have always had difficulty with that
Or you know people have different perspectives on things. I mean people are still at odds about whether or not Achilles and patroclus were lovers, even though that appears to be the case. Especially in context. Like I get it some people are uncomfortable with how invested some people can get in other peoples relationships. Which can cross the line of inappropriate, and even harmful. But let's not make people seem crazy for thinking two people with chemistry are possibly more than friends. @@doloresgronenberg5882
i think polites and odysseus have a lot of chemistry and in another life they might have been more than friends, but odysseus only has eyes for penelope :)
Hey not sure if you know this the lotus eaters are called winions! They show up on other parts of epic as well and are little tricksters. The lotus eaters aren’t really the same as the winions in the other song they’re in, but jay calls them all winions so it’s good enough for me. In the orginal odyssey the lotus eaters where just some high dudes, so these guys are completely Jorge’s. There basically epics mascot and epic fans often refer to themselves as winions, so If you see people say that, it just means epic fan.
While they are just friends, best friends, even... Odysseus and Polities have clear romantic chemestry. There might have been feelings between then, but in the end, there is only one person for Odysseus, which is Penelope. My take is, as said, They might have had mutual feelings for eachother at one point, but Odysseus' love was won by Penelope rather than Polities. You can be with a person and fall inlove with another, and still remain with the one you're with. It's possible, and not that uncommon.
In the ancient time it was common to see more deep relation with people with same sex. Both man and female part. It was like a relationship where you can learn from people in your same field. In mhytology it was never say if this kind of relationship was more in the romance way but you can feel it sometimes. Like Achilles and Patroclus. In my eyes it's kind of a more deep relationship than romance or esteem
Odysseus and Polities are best friends, not lovers. Why Polities looks at Ody that way is because he has a more youthful perspective on life and is trying to get Ody to lighten up a bit. Head cannon of mine is that after the trama Ody has after killing the baby, Polities realizes this, and this song is Polities way of helping him. Telling him to "greet the world with open arms," like, "hey, these things happen, take it in stride. It's ok!" The great things about the two of them together is how well they balance each other
Just to let you know, your Epic Reaction Playlist has your reaction to Warrior of the Mind placed before Open Arms. It's not the biggest deal if someone watching through it catches it quickly, but it is a little jarring at first.
The only reason I don't learn anything from your videos is because I have absolutely zero musical experience (or ability, tbh) so all of those terms go right over my head. Even the chords. 😂 Also, I have a TBI, so learning is not as easy as it used to be.
Yeah, any Odysseus/Polites stuff is really fandom doing what fandom does. Odysseus is WHOLEHEARTEDLY devoted to Penelope, so much so that…well…you’ll find out. And the fan artists’ habit of transplanting the voice actors’ appearances onto the characters’ designs will never not bother me in this particular case. Their habit of giving Polites glasses just because the actor has them when glasses wouldn’t be invented for over two millennia drives my OCD tendencies just a little bit nuts.
Polites and Odysseus are canonically only best friends..but i actually refuse to believe that polites doesn’t have feelings. Ody only wants Penelope but..come on- look at them 😭🙏
I hope you watch other Animations. This one is my least favorite for this song. Its good, but not the best imo. I DO, however, love the way this one ties into the next video really well. But other than that, i usually avoid this one.
As someone who hates pop music, I reflexively take offense when you say certain things sound like pop music. Pop music is so generic. 🤣 I know what you mean, but when I compare something to pop music, it's an insult. 😅
Odysseus and Polites are more brothers then best friends. That's why they have this close relationship. Polites is more possitive, naiv/blinded wheres Odysseus seems more like the realist. The Lotus people are cannibals. Jorge intended to give them more childish/alienate-voices to make it clear that they're not "normal" humans. Most fan-animators tend to give them globlin-like creatures.
I thought the lotus eater were Winions, and that Jorge had always intended them to be Winions. Especially considering that they ARE in “Keep Your Friends Close,” and they sound the same here; Jorge doesn’t do anything halfway when it comes to this passion project of his, so it makes more sense (to me, at least) that he intentionally changed the lotus eaters from cannibalistic humans to Epic-specific creatures (that he has previously stated exist entirely to cause drama/strife lol).
@@revanhart Well, in the origin Odysseus saga the Lotus eater ARE cannibals. Yes, Jorge made them sounds childlike (or at least very high-pitched) and the animators took that to make their own versions of these creatures according to the sound of the Lotus Eater. Same goes to the Cyclops and so on.
If you read Percy Jackson Sea of Monsters, that book is a loose retelling of the Odyssey! So you may continue to recognize the characters as the musical progresses!
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Part 4! Such an interesting, captivating (and unexpected) piece both from musical and narrative perspectives. Early access for this video is already available on my Patreon if you'd like to catch it sooner! Part 5 will be there in the coming days as well :]
Most Greek men tend to be portrayed as at LEAST bi-curious (as Red from OSP puts it- 'with a wife he likes alright and a boyfriend he likes way more'), but part of Odysseus's whole thing is that he's super faithful to his wife (especially in this version), so any romantic interest is just the interpretation of the animator.
Also, Jay specifically says that he gives Odysseus a nylon-string guitar when he's opening up emotionally.
Hey fellow OSP and Epic fan!
Culturally it was expected of every men to be attracted to women, and boys, importend destinction, not otger men but boys.... Thats why amcient greek philosophers argued about achilleus and patrocles being a couple or not, cause the foemwr was no question the morw powerful, but the later portrayed as a man, while achilleus was portrayed as a boy, they do not fit the powerdynamic as expected....
They did not care about the gender you were atracted to, but whatever you where a top or bottom and being a bottom as a man was very much shameful. Towprds the end of thw war achileus would have been way to old for it to still be socially acceptable for him to be with a man....
Gayness in ancient greek is a difdicult topic and sadly has a lot more to do with what we now call pedophilia and stutatory rape, then well, homosexuality
I like to imagine Polites and Ody and Penelope being all together. But it’s definitely not Jay’s vision, as far as I know.
In the musical, they’re supposed to be childhood best friends, as Odysseus is devoted to his wife Penelope. Though I can see Polites and Odysseus together as a fun headcanon.
Lol, in this story, Odysseus and Polites are genuinely best friends. Odysseus has only one person in his heart, and that's his Queen Penelope.
But Odysseus and Polites have great chemistry.
Yep. And considering how this is Greek mythology and everyone is probably bisexual it wouldn’t be too out of character. Especially after listening to your light. It’s a very nice head cannon and just a fun idea
@@Dawn_the_dragon so real
Well in the original story he has a long relationship with Circe and even offsprings. I don't know about any other affairs though
@@123Koizora123There were the seven years when Calypso detained Odysseus on her island in attempts to "convince" him to become her immortal husband. Sources vary on claims that they had children together but that relationship was nowhere near as harmonious as his year-long relationship with Circe
@@love_to_read_ you say Harmonious but: Hermes straight says "Yo Fk my ex or bad things will happen" (paraphrased). And before their first... event(?) Ody says something along the lines of "Swear that if I do this you will not harm me or my men again." I'd also argue that Circe enchanted him, nothing strong but likely there. After all it isn't until one of his men (Polites or Eury, I can't remember) comes forward and is like "Sir the men all agree it's time to go home." That Ody says , again paraphrased, "Oh yeah, let's go home."
The animators get direct inspiration/information from the actual Odyssey story. They do take some artistic liberties here and there ex. the lotus eaters were just humans in the original story. You also made a good connection with Percy Jackson because the lotus casino was also based on this part of the Odyssey story!
Also no one and nothing in greek myth cared about morality, jorge tells his own story about morality follpwing the myth without betraying the source material
I love this one
Casper!!! I’m so glad you and Peter have both decided to jump on the Epic train! Y’all R&A’s are perfect!!
Would you be interested in doing a collab with Peter and Mortius to react to any of the songs Peter hasn't listened to yet?
dont we all..
We know Casper, we know
@@Fruity_one was going to say the same thing😂
I think the thing that stood out to me about this song is you can obviously hear Polites' smile through the singing. He's being so genuine and hopeful to try and get through to Odysseus.
This was also my favorite part
The cute little flower creatures are actually Jorge's idea haha. They're kind of the official mascots of the fandom.
The fans themselves generally even call ourselves Winions lol
Funny you should mention the Latin beat - Jorge's Puerto Rican
in the Odyssey, lotus causes people who eat it to be in a state of bliss and never want to leave the island, hence Odysseus stops his men from eating them so they can go home.
I remember when OSP Red was describing Achilles as the epitome of ancient Greek manliness, "with a wife he likes alright and a boyfriend he likes much more." So, it's very possible that he loved Penelope enough to strive this hard to return, and loved Polites as much as well.
Nope, wrong.
@@Dorimefasolatedoliterally almost every greek hero has cheated on his wife, it was normal to have a like, war-bf
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I don’t know if the original replier was saying no to the interpretation as being common in Greek Mythology or whether it was just a no in the case of this story (and they could’ve been clearer about that).
Because in general, many did, yes.
But, in the case of Odysseus, he’s generally portrayed as very faithful to Penelope, and especially so in Epic.
I mean, later in the Act, he was able to punch through an enchantment placed on him by Circe with his determination not to cheat on her.
And in Act 2, it’s even a plot relevant detail, when Athena convinces the final gauntlet member, Hera, to release him with the *thinly* veiled gut punch to Zeus of, “never once has he cheated on his wife.”
I’m pretty sure that flash at the end of the song was just the next song with Athena happening, she has the ability to sort of freeze time and have whole conversations and flashbacks in an instant! (Or in this case a song)
The "flower creatures" are actually officially part of Epic, they're called Winions, and there are even plushies. The Lotus Eaters on the Island of the Lotus Eaters in Homer's _The Odyssey_ are just people.
Drugged to hell and back people
THE LOTUS CASINO FROM PERCY JACKSON IS THE MODERN VERSION OF THE ISLAND OF THE LOTUS EATERS FROM THIS SONG
That's now for real???? If it is I didn't connected at all.. XD
I would love a collab between you, Mortius and Casper reacting to at least one song!
Also, please get distracted by the story- this is a musical after all!
04:01 Ahem... well... for a part of Epic fandom Odysseus and Polites are the greek Alexander Hamilton and John Laurence. If you know you know. They're very close buddies. But Ody got his Penelope... who he hasn't seen for 10+ years.... **looks off into distance*
And after that question, reacting to the cut song "Your light" is mandatory
Eurylochus is *definitely* Aaron Burr, right?
*And they were crewmates*
@@officialmortius *Oh my god I can't believe they were crewmates*
Not my dude clearing his throat 😂😂😂
@@officialmortius*oh my god they were crewmates*
They are just really good childhood friends but i get where you come from as i got the same vibes
That being said old greek customs would be if you tossed an apple to someone and they catch it would be a proposal of marriage catching it being a sign of acceptance
The thing about it being like a side quest is actually something i think about a lot of moments on the musical! Like some songs are more transitory to bigger moments. Since Jorge took a lot of inspiration from videogames, i think it's fitting 😂
this is why people should react to the audio alone first then the animatics, they can manipulate the way you interpret certain things xD
Odysseus has a wife that in Epic he will not cheat on. Polites is the life long best friend
Yes! I don't understand why so many people label Ody as gay when his core goal to return to his wife and son. Everyone was upset before full version of There Are Other Ways he might be cheating, yet have no problem shipping him with Polites. Why can't he just have a very close platonic friend?
@@seohyeonchoi2150 oh ya totally what childhood best friend you have that do not seem like siblings and the dynamic would sort of be like that animation
Not with other women at least, but going with greek standards, he is perfectly free to sleep with proatitutes, slave women or boys, just id he went for a woman of status it wouls count as cheating!!!
@@seohyeonchoi2150cause he is an ancient greek hero.. . Their whole culture was "no homo, but.."
the chimes that you're hearing is actually a kalimba, which jay has mentioned when creating the "Open Arms", i think it's his chosen instrument for Polites 🥰💖
If you're familiar with Percy Jackson, you'll recognize a lot of stuff in Epic, because "The Sea of Monsters" had a lot of stuff from _The Odyssey_ in it.
Love Polites light/happy voice, it's very "sunshine-y." You can _hear_ the smile in his voice!
Don’t know if someone said this, but it’s really cool that you noticed the guitar showing up when Odysseus is singing because Jorge has said that all the characters are represented by different instruments! Odysseus is various guitars, Polites is marimba and other similar instruments, etc.
I like that we hear many different TYPES of guitars for Odysseus, too. Like Peter pointed out in this song, the guitar that comes in when Odysseus points out the fact that they’ve been given lotuses is a little more synth-y, but it’s not the badass electric guitar we get in The Horse and the Infant when he’s being a master strategist…nor is it the gentle acoustic we get when he’s being more emotional. It’s something in between-he’s being gentle to Polites, pointing out that his open arms mantra would be disastrous in this instance, but he’s still being clever and strategic by *noticing* the danger.
Everything about the composition of this whole musical feels so *intentional,* and that’s my favorite thing about it.
You should definitely give "Your Light" a listen for more of Odysseus and Polities's story. It's a cut song from the musical, but it has an animatic and it is worth listening to. Great reaction and I love your commentary! ❤
I will say you are reading too much into it as Polites is his best friend and he is just trying to comfort Oddyseus
If you ignore the apple bit
.... Its greek myth, their whole thing is no homo, but ... 😅😂
I'm so glad you came back because I was screaming at my screen PETER ITS NOT OVER YET
The Odyssey is the sequel to the Illiad. It's the travel journal of Odyseus' road trip home. The entire story is that Odyseus keeps getting pushed to side quests instead of getting home. Lotus Eaters are the ancient version of addicts on hallucinogens.
i hope you continue watching the mircys ones. Their version of Polyphemus is truly horrifying.
Great R&A, as always! SO much to learn on these videos!
If you read Percy Jackson Sea of Monsters, that book is a loose retelling of the Odyssey! So you may continue to recognize the characters as the musical progresses!
Polites and Odysseus are homies, best friends since childhood
seeing someone else recognise the insane romantic implications of this song is amazing
Odysseus: Ahem
Peter: I hear guitars!
I highly recommend brushing up on the Iliad and the Odyssey if only for your own pleasure. I love the look on people's faces when I tell them the insanely famous Trojan Horse doesn't appear in the Iliad and barely gets a mention in the Odyssey. (It's featured more in the Aenid, which is Roman literature.)
I would say Polities is Odysseus third most important person for him after Penelope and Telemachus of course (his wife and son) but it safe to say that they are really close and i won't be surprised if Odysseus preferred man, Polities might be his partner after all😂😂😂 but in this story they're just homies frr.
i am so glad you’re reacting to these songs and animations!!!! One recommendation I have is that in the second saga, you watch mircsy’s animatics for “polyphemus”, “survive”, and ESPECIALLY theirs for “my goodbye”. it is amazing!
Considering Odysseus and Polites are ancient Greeks and it was completely normal to "take comfort" with the band of warriors you'd grown up learning and fighting with you're probably not wrong. It wouldn't have even been considered cheating, it was just a reality of military life and "keeping it in the unit" made sure the soldier wouldn't end up with venereal diseases during campaigns. The neighboring Greek city-state of Sparta was infamous for young brides dressing as a member of their groom's military company complete with shearing their hair off so they could share in the intimate and very physical love their new husband shared with the soldiers in their unit for their wedding night (it was believed there was no greater intimacy than between soldiers and allowing his wife to pretend to be one for their first night together was a great act of love and acceptance) lol. Odysseus' great love of his life is Penelope but there's no denying he also loved Polites dearly.
There are several musical themes to keep an eye out for. One is the danger motive.
You noticed the guitar come in, it came in when Odysseus sand his instrument is the guitar range from acoustic when in a normal mind set to electric when his emotions and rage get the better of him.
So its fun spotting all the instruments.
Polites is Odysseus's best friend since childhood.
Hey man, it’s Ancient Greece. It’s not cheating if it’s with your bro.
Very true, prostitutes, slavw womwn ans boys are all free game as long as its not a woman of status its not cheating
They're best friends!
To learn more about polites and Odysseus i'd say listen to your light!
So basically, the whole percy jackson casino lotus eaters thing comes from the Odyssey, so both stories share/are influenced by the same source material!
I mean...they are pretty cute together. Odysseus be having that chemistry with the bros...especially in some of these animatics. XD
But it's normal when you're very close to someone that is a good friend of yours to have that closeness and kind of chemistry but in a friendly and platonical way, people just somehow tend to see all closeness like romance (or possible romance) for some reason (they always have even in the past), like two guys apparently can not be too close to each other or they are gay and there are romantic feelings involved (which is a lie, great friends even with your own sex with which you are too close to and confortable with exist), the same way that it's seen many times with a boy and a girl, like if they are too close being of opposite sexes they can't be just friends or best friends, they have to have romantic feelings for each other, which also isn't true, a man and a woman that aren't blood related can also be very close to each other and love each other platonically, not all closeness or apparent chemistry between two people is romantical, you can also get very well along with someone and have chemistry with someone independently on whether they are a man or a woman but still be a platonical love, someone you deeply love and care about and you would even put your life at risk to protect them but not in a romantical way, it just seems that people aren't able to wrap their heads around that concept and have always had difficulty with that
Or you know people have different perspectives on things. I mean people are still at odds about whether or not Achilles and patroclus were lovers, even though that appears to be the case. Especially in context. Like I get it some people are uncomfortable with how invested some people can get in other peoples relationships. Which can cross the line of inappropriate, and even harmful. But let's not make people seem crazy for thinking two people with chemistry are possibly more than friends.
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I just wanted to let you know that in your Epic playlist this song and “Warrior of the Mind” are switched.
I’m really enjoying this!!❤
While they may be Greek they're not Spartans, Menelaus already went home with Helen 🤣
Also, the little critters are called Winions!!
In this song, they're Lotus Eaters. The Winions are later
i think polites and odysseus have a lot of chemistry and in another life they might have been more than friends, but odysseus only has eyes for penelope :)
Whenever you get to The Ocean Saga, you should check out AnniFlamma's animatic for Ruthlessness. It is sooo good!
It's so good! I'm releasing the video I made for AnniFlamma publicly and I made another for Gigi's that's going on my Patreon
@@PeterBarber I can't wait to see it!
In the musical, Odysseus, Polites, and Eurylochus are just best friends and have been since they were kids. 😊
Just a heads up. This currently comes after Warrior of the Mind on your Epic playlist so parts 4 and 5 of Saga 1 are flipped.
Those creatures are "Winions" which essentially replace Aeolus's children
Oh hey a Casper and Mortius mention, very cool.
Awesome. Hubby and I always enjoy your analysis. ❤
I really hoped youd react to this AND Warrior of the mind, because the songs are right after each other.
It's out now
I love your reaction to the jarring shift in the middle 😂🤩🥳
I reckon you’re gonna love Warrior of the Mind.
I hope he ends up picking out the danger motif
Though to be fair I didnt know there was one till seeing Jorge's tiktok pointing it out
Just a heads up, Warrior of the mind and open arms are switched in your playlist part 4 is in 5th place and part 5 in 4th
Hey not sure if you know this the lotus eaters are called winions! They show up on other parts of epic as well and are little tricksters. The lotus eaters aren’t really the same as the winions in the other song they’re in, but jay calls them all winions so it’s good enough for me. In the orginal odyssey the lotus eaters where just some high dudes, so these guys are completely Jorge’s. There basically epics mascot and epic fans often refer to themselves as winions, so If you see people say that, it just means epic fan.
While they are just friends, best friends, even... Odysseus and Polities have clear romantic chemestry. There might have been feelings between then, but in the end, there is only one person for Odysseus, which is Penelope. My take is, as said, They might have had mutual feelings for eachother at one point, but Odysseus' love was won by Penelope rather than Polities. You can be with a person and fall inlove with another, and still remain with the one you're with. It's possible, and not that uncommon.
hi! i love watching your commentary to this musical, are you planning on reacting to the whole thing?
In the ancient time it was common to see more deep relation with people with same sex. Both man and female part. It was like a relationship where you can learn from people in your same field. In mhytology it was never say if this kind of relationship was more in the romance way but you can feel it sometimes. Like Achilles and Patroclus.
In my eyes it's kind of a more deep relationship than romance or esteem
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Please analyze Erik Grönwall singing “I will always love you”
Odysseus and Polities are best friends, not lovers. Why Polities looks at Ody that way is because he has a more youthful perspective on life and is trying to get Ody to lighten up a bit.
Head cannon of mine is that after the trama Ody has after killing the baby, Polities realizes this, and this song is Polities way of helping him. Telling him to "greet the world with open arms," like, "hey, these things happen, take it in stride. It's ok!"
The great things about the two of them together is how well they balance each other
Mason edits your videos too? Good gods, he's got a lot of work.
nope... just friends, but Polites is practically a spaniel in human form... and in this animatic almost acting like one 😂
I love TH-cam's autocaptions. They're hilariously stupid and wrong. 🤣
Believe me i want them to be together but Odysseus in greek mythology has a wife and one of his claims to fame is never cheating on her
its partly fan shipping and also they're greek sooooo
Just to let you know, your Epic Reaction Playlist has your reaction to Warrior of the Mind placed before Open Arms. It's not the biggest deal if someone watching through it catches it quickly, but it is a little jarring at first.
The only reason I don't learn anything from your videos is because I have absolutely zero musical experience (or ability, tbh) so all of those terms go right over my head. Even the chords. 😂 Also, I have a TBI, so learning is not as easy as it used to be.
i kinda ship them ngl
And they were greek
There is no romance they’re just childhood best friends
Yeah, any Odysseus/Polites stuff is really fandom doing what fandom does. Odysseus is WHOLEHEARTEDLY devoted to Penelope, so much so that…well…you’ll find out.
And the fan artists’ habit of transplanting the voice actors’ appearances onto the characters’ designs will never not bother me in this particular case. Their habit of giving Polites glasses just because the actor has them when glasses wouldn’t be invented for over two millennia drives my OCD tendencies just a little bit nuts.
Interesting 🧐🤔
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I don't know why but I always had beef with this song. I think it's great, I just beef with it for no reason 🤷
"Are they gay?"
They're Greek. Ancient Greek. Potato, potato.
They are not in love lol
It was normal for even the most loyal husbands to have war-bfs, so do with that what you will
And they were roomates
Jokes aside they're just friends
They childhood friends, fought together for like 10+years and are greek. Should say enough... plus the apple throw & catch greek tradition.
Polites and Odysseus are canonically only best friends..but i actually refuse to believe that polites doesn’t have feelings. Ody only wants Penelope but..come on- look at them 😭🙏
I actually hate this interpretation of the lotus eaters, because they're just meant to be humans
I hope you watch other Animations. This one is my least favorite for this song. Its good, but not the best imo. I DO, however, love the way this one ties into the next video really well. But other than that, i usually avoid this one.
As someone who hates pop music, I reflexively take offense when you say certain things sound like pop music. Pop music is so generic. 🤣 I know what you mean, but when I compare something to pop music, it's an insult. 😅
Odysseus and Polites are more brothers then best friends. That's why they have this close relationship. Polites is more possitive, naiv/blinded wheres Odysseus seems more like the realist.
The Lotus people are cannibals. Jorge intended to give them more childish/alienate-voices to make it clear that they're not "normal" humans. Most fan-animators tend to give them globlin-like creatures.
I thought the lotus eater were Winions, and that Jorge had always intended them to be Winions. Especially considering that they ARE in “Keep Your Friends Close,” and they sound the same here; Jorge doesn’t do anything halfway when it comes to this passion project of his, so it makes more sense (to me, at least) that he intentionally changed the lotus eaters from cannibalistic humans to Epic-specific creatures (that he has previously stated exist entirely to cause drama/strife lol).
@@revanhart Well, in the origin Odysseus saga the Lotus eater ARE cannibals. Yes, Jorge made them sounds childlike (or at least very high-pitched) and the animators took that to make their own versions of these creatures according to the sound of the Lotus Eater. Same goes to the Cyclops and so on.
If you read Percy Jackson Sea of Monsters, that book is a loose retelling of the Odyssey! So you may continue to recognize the characters as the musical progresses!