What kind of attitude does that guy have, people just welcomed him as if he is massively important although hes not, prepared presents for him, the man gave him his grandmothers wedding vase, and all they get in return is this weird attitude, disrespect, and sarcasm, what kind of reporter is this
Interesting and intriguing topic but, the host is rude and disrespectful, why would he ask a question like "Do you have a GF?" when this pale unhealthy cig smoking manlet most likely is in the same boat
What an ignorant reporter who dares to say most "rational" people see pigeons only as vermin. Pigeons have been used since biblical times, Alexander the Great kept a communication system with pigeons, and most recently, pigeons saved thousands of lives in ww2. Pigeon racing is a great sport with good and bad people, like every other thing out there. Plus, you dont need to go to China to make it sound like a mafia. Ive raced pigeons and almost every bird I ever had was freely given to me, and had as much fun as anyone. I even got a 30th place (out of 2000 birds) with a pigeon bred by a 10 year old English carrier and an unknown bird that showed up in my backyard once, against people who travel to Belgium every year. What matters is loving what you do.
pigeons are vermin it doesn't matter the context they are used in, just like rats as rats can be pets but it doesn't over prestige the fact they are vermin.
@Al-Hadi check yourself you fucking fool. i dont need history as it isn't relevantly true to me, i go and explore myself, what do you do? fuck all as i suspect.
Im American and a racing pigeon came into my garage and roosted for a night i took it into my house and fucked someones race up... Lol Thats what brought me here. I got a racing pigeon and now im hooked i wanna build boxes and a coop and order some babies.
There is obviously a serious ignorance and what I Veiw as a hint of them trying to falsely portray Asians and their culture to Americans in a way to maybe make them look very bad and want Americans to hate/dislike them
Hated the intro. I don't understand why Vice would hire this guy. It's like watching a tiktok influencer than a proper journalist. incredibly unprofessional, jesus.
Well he is there to report bad about china and make china look bad by connecting even bird racing to the government !! VICE dress these resorters like Nerds and teach them how to act and behave like a nerd to make them look innocent so people wouldnt even think about he be lying and reporting bad !!
I can make all of it look super exciting and probably bring more people to the business. Three only part were this guy is happy is when he is getting the vase.
This was great, I've been looking for "pigeon fanciers clubs" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Ever heard of - Hansaac Riyliver Scheme - (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now ) ? Ive heard some incredible things about it and my mate got great success with it.
Asian always give gifts to their guests when they visit, especially when it's something like a TV interview, or special occasion. To automatically assume that it's of a devious nature and for the sake of pomp and circumstance is not only culturally insensitive, but extremely obtuse. I really hope that they watched this program after you left and had it translated to them word for word so they understand how scummy you treated them. The disrespect you showed this man's hospitality and kindness disgusts me and is another nail in the coffin for VICE in my opinion. I've been losing faith in this channel for quite some time, and now you're just heaping insult onto injury. Fucken disgusting...pricks. 😒
Seriously, these are the people that will hold on to their last cigarette and say they're out of weed. I don't blame them though, Western culture is almost entirely devoid of being generous
You need to watch some more of Thomas Morton's Vice documentaries, its just his style. He doesn't actually think that they are irrational people, he's having a joke.
Nathaniel Bradford I guess I'd never seen his stuff before. But I do watch a lot of Vice. I do think it's bad form though, the commentary is ego driven and snide. I want to be shown interesting things that go unreported by other media, not petty and snide opinions.
Thats fair enough. I thought he was a bit rude too in this one. His comment to the guy from VICE asia wouldn't have caused offence i don't think cos they spent a lot of time together. He was a bit cruel to the small time trainer in the apartment though.
People from the west always assume people from other cultures want to impress them. How about - that is how people do things in their cultures. Like in Africa people just say hello to each other even if you are strangers and don't know each other that is just how the culture is. In India people always ask if one has eaten as a polite way of knowing if you are okay. Americans and Europeans travel to other cultures and naturally assume people are soooo crazy about them when people are just being nice as their normal way of life. I see the same thing in Africa, an African will leave you his own bed and sleep on a mat just because you are his guest or even slaughter his only goat just so he can welcome you into his home.. It doesn't mean they are trying to impress you cause you are American or white or yellow or rich or some reporter. When you visit other places, just enjoy the experience and appreciate the culture being different from yours.
I would say he was trying to impress him by giving him a family heirloom, boxes of cigarettes, a lavish dinner-- I think Thomas is a good reporter, just misunderstood.
Young people in America need to understand that having nothing and trying to compete in life against people who have everything, does not put you at a disadvantage. There is great honor in starting from humble beginnings; no amount of money can buy that.
definitely rude but true... the goal of all animals is to reproduce and live a good life he could sell that one pigeon he said was worth 80k and move from that apartment to a house then get a GF or wife for sure... woman want someone with steady income to provide food and shelter just common survival instinct of the fittest
Vice started out in Canada and the U.S. Back in the day there was something humorous about cynical quips about North American and European culture, even if the journalists hated the subjects they were reporting on. Now that Vice has gone global, the sarcastic personal approach shows a real lack of depth and understanding, mostly because Vice promotes a sort of "what the fuck" attitude. A piece like this could have been interesting, but the nebbishy reporter really doesn't give a fuck that these owners are inviting him into their world with respect, something he is incapable of reciprocating. He makes some stupid remarks about what he thinks about pigeons (fucking pigeons as the description puts it). Even the translation unintentionally mocks the subject. For example, Liu Yung (probablyYong, but who cares right?) remarks about the race "没办法残酷的比赛" "it's a life and death race" and we get "Life is cruel." "Do you have a girlfriend" No of course not, he fucks pigeons. Haha. And don't blame the translator, I mean, you could walk down the street and find Chinese majors that could give it a second look. And the icing on the cake is the stupid orientalist comments at the end about the whole race being a shell game and perfect in a culture where appearance is everything. Which is such a fucking ironic comment about a sloppy piece of superficial reporting where appearance is nothing. Ah well, it's all about the clicks. What can you expect from a mini-consortium that goes right along with our fucking post industrial simulacra media for belly laughs. Maybe Vice is innovating here, let's call it "Troll Journalism."
@@stevennagley8969 I won't say it is his grandmother's vase, but Chinese hospitality is very generous. He also considered VICE to be similar to CCTV2 which is basically one of the largest new companies in all of China. I highly doubt that any of those gifts weren't expensive, especially if they knew millions of people would see the gifts. He also clearly had the money to spend.
Thomas is one of the best at Vice. This is 6 years ago and he was probably shit-nervous because of the insane culture-clash + he was, in 2012, pretty new at this.
Dennis Prm his interview wit Chief Keef is literally one of the funniest interviews in history forreal, like if it wasn’t him interviewing him it wouldn’t even of been the same 😂
This host is the rudest cloaca waffle I've ever seen... pigeon racing is not new and not a Chinese phenomena, it's been done in Europe and North America for at least a Century, even if it's not as popular now. When I was a kid I had a coop and a flock of pigeons, they are cool birds.
Vice used to be better, I'm dissapointed, no actually disgusted in the apparent lack of cultural understanding of the reporter, not only is he completely disrespectful of their culture. But he actually has the audacity to question the beautiful heartfelt gift he was given. Even going to the point of making the assumption that it is a form of INTIMIDATION, this is their culture and it is older than history, the Chinese tradition of gift giving is a sign of ultimate respect and all he does is shit on it. I would love a new version of vice where they might actually RESPECT and appreciate the cultures they report on. Perhaps it is just a "smear campaign" though because of the western world's rivalry with China. So who knows? They are either ignorant or just plain disrespectful, OR are pushing an anti China agenda.
" Do you have a girlfriend? " the best answer ever : "NO" !!!! ( the facial expression is the priceless!) hahaha......... best of luck my dear fanciers.
to everyone who says the host sucks: it is what is called a healthy journalistic detachment. He has kept his personality and authentic responses in tact, regardless of what his outside environment is providing him. As opposed to pandering to a host who showers you with gifts of fine porcelain, you treat him the same as the unsuccessful man who may only offer you a cup of tea.
maaarshaaa he’s too fucking condescending as well he claimed the man whose wife gifted him her family’s porcelain vases were trying to either intimidate him.......I really hope he ends up interviewing ppl who really do harm him. I feel as if he is a closet racist then trying to low key clown the young pigeon racer asking him if he had a girlfriend in a way tht was very obvious what he was implying.
What are you even on about? This has nothing to do with people disliking criticism of the Chinese. The interviewer is just being a dick in general and also pigeon racing is not just a sole Chinese thing, it is being done all over the world and that is why people are so upset about his behavior. He is basically being an asshole to every pigeon owner on the world watching this.
KoivuTheHab no he didn’t. He was an asshat. Don’t generalize all Americans as we’re a fucking cultural melting pot. That guys just another vice hipster dickhead.
KoivuTheHab everybody loves hating on Americans. Even when I’m agreeing with your little dicked self about how the interviewer was terrible. What a unique individual you are with unique opinions.
Ten Kun Gee... seems people these days get offended by pretty much anything. So what if you are asked if you have a gf or not? Is it something that you are supposed to be ashamed of and need to hide?
I would of been so humble and grateful,they don't like outsiders so for them to show hospitality is huge,this culture always intrigued me because of their discipline and traditions.
if you want to make a quality report on any subject, you need a reporter who has interest in the subject. This dorky elvis Costello looking ignoramus is NOT the one. he literally doesn't seem to comprehend the difference between a feral pigeon and a racing pigeon, which are thoroughly bred racing animals, incidentally tougher than any man or horse. To be as tough as a pigeon, a human marathon racer would have to survive being attacked by tigers and bears and still manage to finish his run.
As a Beijinger I reckon VICE captures a very vivid scene of the life of a certain group of Beijingers, who are old school in their ways of conducts and values. In this globalizing modern world with western cultural output, it is valuable to hold onto this traditional hobby Beijing in spite of the interviewee's government connection. Glad my city is getting some exposure though it's really unveiling the subtlety of Chinese politics and the "elites within the system"'s way of life.
When you recieve a gift, you give something back in return. Important items such as this vase is one of the most highest deep honor and respect is given to you!
I had a pigeon called zeus who had 4 wife His first wife was suspected to be killed by a cat or flew away somewhere His second wife flew away after 6 months I tamed her His third wife cheated on him and left him to a chad pigeon because he couldn't be a father THEN HIS FOURTH WIFE IT'S A SAD STORY THEY WERE SOULMATES WHO PROTECTED EACH OTHER FROM PREDATORS AND LOVED EACH OTHER LIKE CRAZY THEY WERE GONNA HAVE A BABY SO CLOSE AFTER HIS WHOLE LIFE COULDN'T BE A FATHER AND THEN SHE DIED FROM A VIRUS HE THEN NEVER LEFT HIS HOME EXCEPT HE FLEW FOR A HOUR NON STOP WHICH HE DID WITH HIS WIFE ALL THE TIME I THINK HE DID THIS TO REMEMBER ABOUT HIS WIFE
The host annoys the hell out of me. Just by the way he acts I an with a pretty high level of certainty that he owns a iPhone and Macbook Pro and probably drives a Honda or Toyota.
Loved it especially the underdogs I felt his pain and worry we all do when our children (birds) don't return or get lost relatively relates to all flying breeds! But how nice and kind are they as humans, makes it all warm. The underdogs!
hi,Vice.I am a animal activist in Beijing and I volunteered at an Bird-protecting organization .I saw one of pigeon pirate use the bird nest to catch the bird and it will kill lots of wildbird ,it's illegal.That's a big help to save wild birds if you tell me address where the bird nest is.Thanks.
On a sunny day in 1985 two king homing pigeons landed on a city sidewalk in Brooklyn. My friend took them home. A few days later I visited him and asked about the pigeons. "oh, my grandparents made soup" :(
Pigeons are neither vile nor vermin, they are cute....I sometimes go for a quiet walk up in my building terrace in the afternoons, and I love watching those little critters just going about frolicking here and there, putting their beaks together and making love all the time...I especially like it when one of them flies down close and looks at me with those doe eyes....normally I keep my distance because wild pigeons are very shy but sometimes I try to see how much close by I can get..the trick is to keep your body relaxed and not stare too much because they can sense this and fly away. Can't imagine why anybody would hurt, kill these creatures.
You voice a very negative view and certainly aimed at discretiting something you know absolutely nothing about. While in some places pigeon racing need to improve some practices, most people who race pigeons are honest and care for their birds. You could have provided a much better, balanced, and objective approach even if you hate pigeons or pigeon racers.
Ever notice who gets rich from STATE lotteries here in America? It ain't the guy in line at the gas station. Yup, we who DON"T PLAY - NEVER lose, now, do we?
Lol this host, Thomas Morton is being so ignorant in this video. VICE, change him please, he makes this show unpleasant to watch. He's doing a terrible job both in hosting the show and interviewing people. He doesn't seem to have an open mind for the world. Don't let a bad host ruining a good show, his Chinese translator isn't doing a very good job either.. Where did you find these guys? Am I having too much expectation in VICE or is this just another random TH-cam channel?
Here in Vancouver, the Chinese seem so absurdly interested in pigeons. They photograph them constantly and stand around in little crowds to watch them. I couldn't understand it. There was no way I could believe that they didn't have pigeons in China. But perhaps this is part of the reason they are so interested in them here!
bigtttiime I absolutely believe that. They will eat anything. Germs and disease are not an issue in their culture as far as I can tell from living in Richmond the past two years. I have watched them unapologetically spit, piss, hack and blow their noses on to the side walk or into their own bare hands and wipe it on their clothing hundreds of times. Once, I even saw a woman allow her young son take a shit at the top of an escalator at a Canada Line station. I hate to generalize groups of people at all, but I mean, since this is clearly considered 'normal' in their culture, then I'm sure our culture must seem completely appalling to them as well because I didn't even know there could even be such differences in such fundamental human areas as what I have learned since living here.
Katie Dubbs I was sure the first reply was sarcastic. That's so weird: We have piles of Chinese people in Toronto and they fully don't eat pigeons or shit in public or blow their nose without tissue.
heatedfrost I have lived in many places with fairly decent sized Chinese populations before but something about Richmond being more of a Chinese city than a Canadian city I guess ... Not sure if you have ever been here, but it's almost 60% Chinese (to clarify: Not 60% Asian, 60% Chinese) and something like another 15-20% "other Asian nationalities" And you are much more likely to find signs, store names, maps etc in Mandarin than in any other language including English. I am only going by some of my friends who's parents were born in China (so they've visited there) that the way it is here, is also the way it is in China. So I can't tell you first-hand that it is a fact. But they tell me it's pretty much the same in mainland China, just a bit worse. Most of our Chinese immigrants here though are very new to Canada & Richmond essentially *is* a Chinese city in the western hemisphere. I don't know anyone who was born of Chinese decent who has these habits at all. So I really just chalk it down to social-cultural differences. I have even met several not-so-recent Chinese immigrants who have also dropped these habits so I think it really is just culture-shock.
this could have been really interesting but the american really messed it up. like i was looking through videos late at night and thought that this would be an awesome video. instead we get this guy who doesn't care and a shitty made video...did I spell shitty right?
Pigeons are amazing animals if raised correctly. I had one I could take we me where ever I we he would wait outside for me and I could call back anytime. I would even take him camping and boating when called he would land in the boat with me. This video brought back some amazing memories.
I agree with the man who said small guy can also win race just on this case I was a poor and did not had much money but my days changed soon when my pigeon used to win and rich people used to come to buy my pigeon..!!
I once rescued a pigeon from a burrito-shop in AZ, it flew threw the open door and was freaking out against the glass trying to get out. I walked in, grabbed it and set it free outside like I was sending a message to someone far away in China. lol
I also appreciate your attitude and candor throughout this video, Tom. Your "this is fucking retarded" attitude is felt and appreciated in light of this show of excess.
What kind of attitude does that guy have, people just welcomed him as if he is massively important although hes not, prepared presents for him, the man gave him his grandmothers wedding vase, and all they get in return is this weird attitude, disrespect, and sarcasm, what kind of reporter is this
The reporter should’ve said no and returned it
Yeah he is a bad reporter
yeah could've at least pretended to be pumped at the amazing way those guys treated him at the start
he looks like he's disappointed he had to go to china and enjoy that awesome experience overseas
he looks like he'd say mayonnaise is too spicy for him
Dude just gave him basically a family heirloom and he's like whatever.
what a nice guy
Hospitality is one of the cornerstones of Chinese culture and this reporter received, interpreted, and reported it very poorly.
Yes. This guy judging them without knowing their how people in asia treat their guest. Stupid reporter
Ughyur Concentration camps are a cornerstone of Chinese Culture.
He came across as weak and disrespectful.
WHAT hospitalìty?! It's virtually NON-EXISTENT in his case. What a JERK! 😢😮😢😮 4:40
It's nice to be important but it's MORE important to be NICE! 😂 😅
He made everything about him, what he liked and what he didn't.
It looks like he made this documentary for himself alone.
Interesting and intriguing topic but, the host is rude and disrespectful, why would he ask a question like "Do you have a GF?" when this pale unhealthy cig smoking manlet most likely is in the same boat
Also, the guy didn't even say no, he said he didn't understand
Kujien Exactly
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What an ignorant reporter who dares to say most "rational" people see pigeons only as vermin. Pigeons have been used since biblical times, Alexander the Great kept a communication system with pigeons, and most recently, pigeons saved thousands of lives in ww2.
Pigeon racing is a great sport with good and bad people, like every other thing out there. Plus, you dont need to go to China to make it sound like a mafia. Ive raced pigeons and almost every bird I ever had was freely given to me, and had as much fun as anyone. I even got a 30th place (out of 2000 birds) with a pigeon bred by a 10 year old English carrier and an unknown bird that showed up in my backyard once, against people who travel to Belgium every year. What matters is loving what you do.
pigeons are vermin it doesn't matter the context they are used in, just like rats as rats can be pets but it doesn't over prestige the fact they are vermin.
@@Dockhead fancy rats are very smart and clean pets
@Al-Hadi check yourself you fucking fool.
i dont need history as it isn't relevantly true to me, i go and explore myself, what do you do? fuck all as i suspect.
@@shuneughu4244 they very much can be, but normally they are horrible litter picking pests.
Why is everyone so but hurt?
really hate how vice covers asian trends and culture ignorantly
Im American and a racing pigeon came into my garage and roosted for a night i took it into my house and fucked someones race up... Lol
Thats what brought me here. I got a racing pigeon and now im hooked i wanna build boxes and a coop and order some babies.
There is obviously a serious ignorance and what I Veiw as a hint of them trying to falsely portray Asians and their culture to Americans in a way to maybe make them look very bad and want Americans to hate/dislike them
I'd love to see this documentary documented by literally anyone but that guy
Hated the intro. I don't understand why Vice would hire this guy. It's like watching a tiktok influencer than a proper journalist. incredibly unprofessional, jesus.
Vice is a rag what did you expect
Watching him swing that golf cub gave me second hand embarrassment
You should see some of his other one's. The second hand cringe is rough. This one isn't that bad.
He said the eff word 😲
Wow, I would be extremely honored to be given a family heirloom like that. That's amazing.
Well he is there to report bad about china and make china look bad by connecting even bird racing to the government !!
VICE dress these resorters like Nerds and teach them how to act and behave like a nerd to make them look innocent so people wouldnt even think about he be lying and reporting bad !!
foreal bro…
I wish I could go do all these documentaries. I'd actually show interest.
Same here bro
You can if you try
My thoughts as well this dildo of a dude is deader inside than Charles Mansons gene pool!
you ain't the only one dude
I can make all of it look super exciting and probably bring more people to the business. Three only part were this guy is happy is when he is getting the vase.
I think that pigeon racing is awesome and deserves to be respected.
Vice needs to fire this reporter. He is so unprofessional. His attitude is distracting me from paying attention to the story.
Typical liberal elitist.
Seriously this guy is no good!
I thought it was me
This guy dont know nothing!im sorry to say that!!!
This was great, I've been looking for "pigeon fanciers clubs" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Ever heard of - Hansaac Riyliver Scheme - (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now ) ? Ive heard some incredible things about it and my mate got great success with it.
Come on VICE man, show a little more gratitude and thankfulness for the gifts that included one of this sweet man's family heirloom!!!!
Yes he is using very bad language
Asian always give gifts to their guests when they visit, especially when it's something like a TV interview, or special occasion. To automatically assume that it's of a devious nature and for the sake of pomp and circumstance is not only culturally insensitive, but extremely obtuse. I really hope that they watched this program after you left and had it translated to them word for word so they understand how scummy you treated them. The disrespect you showed this man's hospitality and kindness disgusts me and is another nail in the coffin for VICE in my opinion. I've been losing faith in this channel for quite some time, and now you're just heaping insult onto injury. Fucken disgusting...pricks. 😒
Seriously, these are the people that will hold on to their last cigarette and say they're out of weed. I don't blame them though, Western culture is almost entirely devoid of being generous
The American skepticism and paranoia is something that we don't often realize, any disrespect is unintentional my man. We're just really cautious
"like most rational humans, we consider pidgeons vermin" rude and disrespectful, he is the vermin
You need to watch some more of Thomas Morton's Vice documentaries, its just his style. He doesn't actually think that they are irrational people, he's having a joke.
Nathaniel Bradford I guess I'd never seen his stuff before. But I do watch a lot of Vice. I do think it's bad form though, the commentary is ego driven and snide. I want to be shown interesting things that go unreported by other media, not petty and snide opinions.
Thats fair enough. I thought he was a bit rude too in this one. His comment to the guy from VICE asia wouldn't have caused offence i don't think cos they spent a lot of time together. He was a bit cruel to the small time trainer in the apartment though.
Most people do consider pigeons vermin though. Chances are you're not knowledgeable enough to understand why
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People from the west always assume people from other cultures want to impress them. How about - that is how people do things in their cultures. Like in Africa people just say hello to each other even if you are strangers and don't know each other that is just how the culture is. In India people always ask if one has eaten as a polite way of knowing if you are okay. Americans and Europeans travel to other cultures and naturally assume people are soooo crazy about them when people are just being nice as their normal way of life. I see the same thing in Africa, an African will leave you his own bed and sleep on a mat just because you are his guest or even slaughter his only goat just so he can welcome you into his home.. It doesn't mean they are trying to impress you cause you are American or white or yellow or rich or some reporter. When you visit other places, just enjoy the experience and appreciate the culture being different from yours.
Oh Man U are totally right, I came from China.
I would say he was trying to impress him by giving him a family heirloom, boxes of cigarettes, a lavish dinner-- I think Thomas is a good reporter, just misunderstood.
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facts! Asante kaka
As a south African I agreed with your statements up until the slaughter part XD.
Africa is a continent
"Do you have a girlfriend?"
What the fuck man...
AXAXAXAXA XAXAXAXA thissss
That was so random ????
Young people in America need to understand that having nothing and trying to compete in life against people who have everything, does not put you at a disadvantage. There is great honor in starting from humble beginnings; no amount of money can buy that.
"Like every sane person we find pigeons to be flying vermin"
*ACTUALLY REPORTED*
11:20 that was a cheap shot hahaha not cool man. this host comes off kinda rude,
My thought indeed.
yea I just went back to that, really not cool
he has 25 birds on his balcony why would he need a girlfriend
agreed ! he is an idiot ! looks like a loser himself and makes fun of others
definitely rude but true... the goal of all animals is to reproduce and live a good life he could sell that one pigeon he said was worth 80k and move from that apartment to a house then get a GF or wife for sure... woman want someone with steady income to provide food and shelter just common survival instinct of the fittest
Vice started out in Canada and the U.S. Back in the day there was something humorous about cynical quips about North American and European culture, even if the journalists hated the subjects they were reporting on. Now that Vice has gone global, the sarcastic personal approach shows a real lack of depth and understanding, mostly because Vice promotes a sort of "what the fuck" attitude. A piece like this could have been interesting, but the nebbishy reporter really doesn't give a fuck that these owners are inviting him into their world with respect, something he is incapable of reciprocating. He makes some stupid remarks about what he thinks about pigeons (fucking pigeons as the description puts it). Even the translation unintentionally mocks the subject. For example, Liu Yung (probablyYong, but who cares right?) remarks about the race "没办法残酷的比赛" "it's a life and death race" and we get "Life is cruel." "Do you have a girlfriend" No of course not, he fucks pigeons. Haha. And don't blame the translator, I mean, you could walk down the street and find Chinese majors that could give it a second look. And the icing on the cake is the stupid orientalist comments at the end about the whole race being a shell game and perfect in a culture where appearance is everything. Which is such a fucking ironic comment about a sloppy piece of superficial reporting where appearance is nothing. Ah well, it's all about the clicks. What can you expect from a mini-consortium that goes right along with our fucking post industrial simulacra media for belly laughs. Maybe Vice is innovating here, let's call it "Troll Journalism."
hilarious post, so right
Fucking fantastic. Everything I wanted to say.
Big like !
geinikan1kan The ear ring guy did say the birds wouldn't make it back because of the blizzard ''There's nothing we can do, it's a cruel competition''
I just wanted to slap the host in the face when he mockingly asked "do you have a girlfriend". Great post btw.
Wow how amazingly gracious to give those gifts. Unreal.
Yeah, I won't give a vase made by my grande mother to some host
Imagine the cost to ship it back!
@@PewPewForTheWin I bet he went down to the local store and found something cheap, I don’t believe that was from his grand
@@stevennagley8969 I won't say it is his grandmother's vase, but Chinese hospitality is very generous. He also considered VICE to be similar to CCTV2 which is basically one of the largest new companies in all of China. I highly doubt that any of those gifts weren't expensive, especially if they knew millions of people would see the gifts. He also clearly had the money to spend.
The Host is so passively disrespectful, like a pure chump.
I'm a pigeon lover from bangladesh(dhaka) and I like your documentary............
I'm glad everyone hated the interviewer as much as I did 😂
I tried to give him a chance. He sucks and is full of himself when he’s geek
This guy is a terrible interviewer
Derek N. Can't agree more....vice need to fire him
Thomas is one of the best at Vice. This is 6 years ago and he was probably shit-nervous because of the insane culture-clash + he was, in 2012, pretty new at this.
He is but Vice wouldn’t be the same without him honestly in my opinion
No need to be so vulgar either.... I mean I swear w my friends, but how about some professionalism and some awareness of who your audience may be.
Dennis Prm his interview wit Chief Keef is literally one of the funniest interviews in history forreal, like if it wasn’t him interviewing him it wouldn’t even of been the same 😂
This host is the rudest cloaca waffle I've ever seen... pigeon racing is not new and not a Chinese phenomena, it's been done in Europe and North America for at least a Century, even if it's not as popular now. When I was a kid I had a coop and a flock of pigeons, they are cool birds.
"Cloaca waffle". Nice!
Vice used to be better, I'm dissapointed, no actually disgusted in the apparent lack of cultural understanding of the reporter, not only is he completely disrespectful of their culture. But he actually has the audacity to question the beautiful heartfelt gift he was given. Even going to the point of making the assumption that it is a form of INTIMIDATION, this is their culture and it is older than history, the Chinese tradition of gift giving is a sign of ultimate respect and all he does is shit on it. I would love a new version of vice where they might actually RESPECT and appreciate the cultures they report on. Perhaps it is just a "smear campaign" though because of the western world's rivalry with China. So who knows? They are either ignorant or just plain disrespectful, OR are pushing an anti China agenda.
+SelfComprehension Vice was never good. It was always just hipster racism.
ChrisInAsia they are a bunch of liberal idiots.
ChrisInAsia shut the fuck up
liberal?
Disrespecting culture? Oh stop.
" Do you have a girlfriend? "
the best answer ever : "NO" !!!! ( the facial expression is the priceless!)
hahaha......... best of luck my dear fanciers.
to everyone who says the host sucks: it is what is called a healthy journalistic detachment. He has kept his personality and authentic responses in tact, regardless of what his outside environment is providing him. As opposed to pandering to a host who showers you with gifts of fine porcelain, you treat him the same as the unsuccessful man who may only offer you a cup of tea.
The host of this documentary is dreadful. Annoying voice, immature, and he swears too much.
I'm no prude, but the swearing did bother me a lot lol. It was just so unnecessary and shoe horned in.
i thought so too originally, then thought he was kinda funny
maaarshaaa he’s too fucking condescending as well he claimed the man whose wife gifted him her family’s porcelain vases were trying to either intimidate him.......I really hope he ends up interviewing ppl who really do harm him. I feel as if he is a closet racist then trying to low key clown the young pigeon racer asking him if he had a girlfriend in a way tht was very obvious what he was implying.
My pigeon's name is Dirty Mike, he has won the triple crown on this side of the western hemisphere. I will travel to China to race him.
good lick with him! :)
Lick ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
will he fly with you or on the outside of the plain
copernicus vanstruselclit you ask a question that deserves an answer
dirty mike and the boys, i waited for racing birds with my grandpa many times, he come from belgium and raced in canada
Mr. Bokun is some real player. Real hospitality and just cool overall.
No respect for the host who treated him, worst interviewer
When he opened up the Orange for him that was hilarious
The dude sat at an expensive, and traditional dinner, wiping his nose, then biting his nails. He didn't care at all
What are you even on about? This has nothing to do with people disliking criticism of the Chinese. The interviewer is just being a dick in general and also pigeon racing is not just a sole Chinese thing, it is being done all over the world and that is why people are so upset about his behavior. He is basically being an asshole to every pigeon owner on the world watching this.
KoivuTheHab no he didn’t. He was an asshat. Don’t generalize all Americans as we’re a fucking cultural melting pot. That guys just another vice hipster dickhead.
KoivuTheHab everybody loves hating on Americans. Even when I’m agreeing with your little dicked self about how the interviewer was terrible. What a unique individual you are with unique opinions.
just because he was nervous it does not mean that he did not care...
"Do you have a girlfriend?" Gratuitous and rude :/
I think the host should be asking himself that questions. That attitude makes him truly unattractive.
Ten Kun Gee... seems people these days get offended by pretty much anything. So what if you are asked if you have a gf or not? Is it something that you are supposed to be ashamed of and need to hide?
BezBog It sure felt like mockery..
Also, they subtitled him deliberately wrong… the man said he didn't understand
"In a country where information is limited. Your face is everything. Your appearance is way more important than reality... " Sounds like America mate!
He should be ashamed of his language used in this documentary
I would of been so humble and grateful,they don't like outsiders so for them to show hospitality is huge,this culture always intrigued me because of their discipline and traditions.
ThePigeon guy is so nice
he kinda looks just like Jackie Chan lol
if you want to make a quality report on any subject, you need a reporter who has interest in the subject. This dorky elvis Costello looking ignoramus is NOT the one.
he literally doesn't seem to comprehend the difference between a feral pigeon and a racing pigeon, which are thoroughly bred racing animals, incidentally tougher than any man or horse. To be as tough as a pigeon, a human marathon racer would have to survive being attacked by tigers and bears and still manage to finish his run.
Anyone I see kick at a pigeon in *my* NYC gets the gasface.
And you get 5 years in Federal prison for assault
As a Beijinger I reckon VICE captures a very vivid scene of the life of a certain group of Beijingers, who are old school in their ways of conducts and values. In this globalizing modern world with western cultural output, it is valuable to hold onto this traditional hobby Beijing in spite of the interviewee's government connection. Glad my city is getting some exposure though it's really unveiling the subtlety of Chinese politics and the "elites within the system"'s way of life.
I just hope Liu Yung and his pigeons are safe and happy right now
When you recieve a gift, you give something back in return. Important items such as this vase is one of the most highest deep honor and respect is given to you!
The host's voice and the way he talks just pisses me off
I had a pigeon called zeus who had 4 wife
His first wife was suspected to be killed by a cat or flew away somewhere
His second wife flew away after 6 months I tamed her
His third wife cheated on him and left him to a chad pigeon because he couldn't be a father
THEN HIS FOURTH WIFE IT'S A SAD STORY
THEY WERE SOULMATES WHO PROTECTED EACH OTHER FROM PREDATORS AND LOVED EACH OTHER LIKE CRAZY THEY WERE GONNA HAVE A BABY SO CLOSE AFTER HIS WHOLE LIFE COULDN'T BE A FATHER AND THEN
SHE DIED FROM A VIRUS
HE THEN NEVER LEFT HIS HOME EXCEPT HE FLEW FOR A HOUR NON STOP WHICH HE DID WITH HIS WIFE ALL THE TIME I THINK HE DID THIS TO REMEMBER ABOUT HIS WIFE
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
The host annoys the hell out of me. Just by the way he acts I an with a pretty high level of certainty that he owns a iPhone and Macbook Pro and probably drives a Honda or Toyota.
The wife preparing presents warmed my heart
I do believe that a man who is a connoisseur of pigeons would take great pride in the care of his pigeons
Thank u . Yes we do ✌
Loved it especially the underdogs I felt his pain and worry we all do when our children (birds) don't return or get lost relatively relates to all flying breeds!
But how nice and kind are they as humans, makes it all warm.
The underdogs!
hi,Vice.I am a animal activist in Beijing and I volunteered at an Bird-protecting organization .I saw one of pigeon pirate use the bird nest to catch the bird and it will kill lots of wildbird ,it's illegal.That's a big help to save wild birds if you tell me address where the bird nest is.Thanks.
Lmfao.
Vice has high school drop out reporters
It’s a hobby at the end of the day respect it. That guy is keeping all them pigeons better than most keep there dog ! Fair play
On a sunny day in 1985 two king homing pigeons landed on a city sidewalk in Brooklyn.
My friend took them home. A few days later I visited him and asked about the pigeons.
"oh, my grandparents made soup" :(
0:30 o wasnt expecting for the reporter to use big boy words
I've never seen Thomas be so arrogant & rude.
Pigeons are neither vile nor vermin, they are cute....I sometimes go for a quiet walk up in my building terrace in the afternoons, and I love watching those little critters just going about frolicking here and there, putting their beaks together and making love all the time...I especially like it when one of them flies down close and looks at me with those doe eyes....normally I keep my distance because wild pigeons are very shy but sometimes I try to see how much close by I can get..the trick is to keep your body relaxed and not stare too much because they can sense this and fly away. Can't imagine why anybody would hurt, kill these creatures.
Exactly. What I think is they sense eye contact of ur when u start observing any of them he /start doing any thing till switch to watching another.
شكراً على الفيلم الرائع . ولكن أرجو ترجمته للغة العربية .
The million dollar winning pigeon reminds me of the lady that won the marathon that got dropped off from a car at the last mile. 🤑
they used pigeons in China before the MING DYNASTY when gunpowder waS created
did a little research a couple of years ago
when I started really liking them
a homeless MANS pet
The guy losing his pigeons was so heart breaking!
He'd more than likely still have his pigeons if he hadn't released them into a race/blizzard conditions.
He said "This fly's lineage must be very impressive" haha
This was a great video!
0:36 hey hey no cursing!! He's the first reporter I've seen cursing pigeons on camera😂
You voice a very negative view and certainly aimed at discretiting something you know absolutely nothing about. While in some places pigeon racing need to improve some practices, most people who race pigeons are honest and care for their birds. You could have provided a much better, balanced, and objective approach even if you hate pigeons or pigeon racers.
those cigaretts are expensive
Hell the vase was apparently his grandmother's. Holy, these guys are rich.
那是相当的贵啊 ！现在已经绝版了，这都是收藏级别的！
That is quite expensive! It is now out of print, this is a collection level!
Why do you employ this tool Vice? Sack him and employ me.
Is this the return of the passenger pigeons? 😂 😅
11:21 why he gotta disrespect him like dat 😂😂
I smell some serious corruption here. The guy who OWNS the tabulation company is a 3 time champion? Come on dude.
Ever notice who gets rich from STATE lotteries here in America? It ain't the guy in line at the gas station.
Yup, we who DON"T PLAY - NEVER lose, now, do we?
like the pigeons much more than the host. soz bro
Lol this host, Thomas Morton is being so ignorant in this video. VICE, change him please, he makes this show unpleasant to watch. He's doing a terrible job both in hosting the show and interviewing people. He doesn't seem to have an open mind for the world. Don't let a bad host ruining a good show, his Chinese translator isn't doing a very good job either.. Where did you find these guys? Am I having too much expectation in VICE or is this just another random TH-cam channel?
At 6:15 he says ur girl foo lmfao 😂🤣😂🤣
When he peeled the orange for him. 😆
Here in Vancouver, the Chinese seem so absurdly interested in pigeons. They photograph them constantly and stand around in little crowds to watch them. I couldn't understand it. There was no way I could believe that they didn't have pigeons in China. But perhaps this is part of the reason they are so interested in them here!
they're just hungry and studying the animals in order to catch them. the little crowds is pack hunting behavior...
hahaha ive seen a chinese dude in east hastings grab one and snap its neck like it was nothing and stuffed it in his jacket.
bigtttiime I absolutely believe that. They will eat anything. Germs and disease are not an issue in their culture as far as I can tell from living in Richmond the past two years. I have watched them unapologetically spit, piss, hack and blow their noses on to the side walk or into their own bare hands and wipe it on their clothing hundreds of times. Once, I even saw a woman allow her young son take a shit at the top of an escalator at a Canada Line station. I hate to generalize groups of people at all, but I mean, since this is clearly considered 'normal' in their culture, then I'm sure our culture must seem completely appalling to them as well because I didn't even know there could even be such differences in such fundamental human areas as what I have learned since living here.
Katie Dubbs I was sure the first reply was sarcastic. That's so weird: We have piles of Chinese people in Toronto and they fully don't eat pigeons or shit in public or blow their nose without tissue.
heatedfrost I have lived in many places with fairly decent sized Chinese populations before but something about Richmond being more of a Chinese city than a Canadian city I guess ... Not sure if you have ever been here, but it's almost 60% Chinese (to clarify: Not 60% Asian, 60% Chinese) and something like another 15-20% "other Asian nationalities" And you are much more likely to find signs, store names, maps etc in Mandarin than in any other language including English.
I am only going by some of my friends who's parents were born in China (so they've visited there) that the way it is here, is also the way it is in China. So I can't tell you first-hand that it is a fact. But they tell me it's pretty much the same in mainland China, just a bit worse. Most of our Chinese immigrants here though are very new to Canada & Richmond essentially *is* a Chinese city in the western hemisphere. I don't know anyone who was born of Chinese decent who has these habits at all. So I really just chalk it down to social-cultural differences. I have even met several not-so-recent Chinese immigrants who have also dropped these habits so I think it really is just culture-shock.
why would you kick a 'fucking' pigeon
I hate the new comment section please
CT -1313 what's wrong with Jews? They have had bad press for no reason! Tell me what have they ever done that was so wrong?
I want to go to china to sell pigeons
for 20.000$ lol
hey im your lost uncle sam, please send me money
World love Pigeons. Thank you everyone of u for showing respect and love to Pigeons
That pigeon pirate is living the real thug life😂😂
please get a new host this guy has no respect for any cultures
yea you got the same dopey host that still high from peewee longways interview c'mon vice switch it up with someone who has a passion for the topic
this could have been really interesting but the american really messed it up. like i was looking through videos late at night and thought that this would be an awesome video. instead we get this guy who doesn't care and a shitty made video...did I spell shitty right?
That one pigeon gets to ride shotgun, meanwhile my father wouldn’t even allowed me to touch the front passenger door!
"Nunchuck guy in double dragon" LOL
best regards for all my friends in CHINA & TAIWAN
KULBACKI PRZEMEK
from Germany
15:00 haha i 'll kiss the other side , .... god knows what you have
i dont like this host.
What's wrong with that dude. He looks like he was forced to do the documentary 🤣
Golden cigarettes for the camera crew and this porcelain vase was my grandmother's 😆😆😆 it's your's now
Thomas sucks,
I like how he starts off u can Tell he has pigeon story or too LoL 😂😂😂
The guy makes me feel like I'm watching an episode of The Office
Pigeons are amazing animals if raised correctly. I had one I could take we me where ever I we he would wait outside for me and I could call back anytime. I would even take him camping and boating when called he would land in the boat with me. This video brought back some amazing memories.
The Chinese guy hosting was a class act. I love how they smoke at the dinner table.🤣 Asian love tobacco.
I agree with the man who said small guy can also win race just on this case I was a poor and did not had much money but my days changed soon when my pigeon used to win and rich people used to come to buy my pigeon..!!
I once rescued a pigeon from a burrito-shop in AZ, it flew threw the open door and was freaking out against the glass trying to get out. I walked in, grabbed it and set it free outside like I was sending a message to someone far away in China. lol
I also appreciate your attitude and candor throughout this video, Tom.
Your "this is fucking retarded" attitude is felt and appreciated in light of this show of excess.
I used to race pigeons and it was a lot of fun!
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This was a eye opener right here I wonder why pigeon 🐦racing isn't talked About cuz this is a interesting culture right here
Wow it's wholesome to see the hospitality of the first man. Such a nice person
posta güvercinlerimin son kürüne başladım dişilerin Salımı geniş açı çekim(Racıng pigeons)
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