Kein ccs, deutlich weniger Reichweite, weniger Platz und verspieltes Interieur. Hat der twingo Ladesteuerung? Abfahrtszeiten, Fernsteuerung der Klimatisierung etc?
The secret to recharge e-Up faster on CCS 2 Combo Charger when traveling on highway is: Slow down to 80 km/h last 10 km before arriving at the charging station...
Hello neighbour (Hallo Nachbar), tomorrow my Peugeut 1007 will get a service and new timingbelt. My next car is very likely an electric. Good fun to watch your channel. Auf wiedersehen. BTW I live in Roermond 5km from NRW Germany.
For all the germans: w-Up order books will be reopened in summer, VW summer. I had called my dealer about our next car delivery and then we talked a bit about the future of the ID family: ID 5 this winter, next year BuZZ and VW vision which is comparable to the Arteon. 2023 he expects the e-up successor but late in 2023. The e-up will be only available for a short period of time, all fully equipped new lines and same or similar for SEAT + SKODA. New rims and lines will appear in a kind of summer offensive before the fooball Euro championships.
@@donerbude6380 definetly. Es gibt immer wieder Mii/eUp/CitigoIVs die bei den Händlern verfügbar werden, weil diese auch Autos bestellt haben ohne direkt schon einen Käufer zu haben. Wir haben auch vor zwei Monaten mit einem Mii Glück gehabt, super Auto, macht viel Spaß.
It annoys me very much in e-up! (2017) FWD loses grip when starting dynamically (210 Mn too much for a 165 mm tire with 2.8 bar). I would prefer it was RWD. When it moves, it doesn't bother later. VW would also give small cons for: - no memory of climatronic settings (after a longer break, it returns to the factory settings, including 22 degrees), - no brightness adjustment of the speedometer backlight (too bright at night), - ambient light cannot be turned off, - no automatic window closing (with one click), - no mirrors cover on sun visor. Besides, a nice car :-)
When was the last time the e up was even available ? If you can t buy the winner, it does not matter how it would compare to other cars. At the moment (and for the last year) the e up was rather a marketing gag than a contribution to affordable electric cars.
@@BatteryLife A lot of rumours. My VW dealer told me, no way back. But i agree absolute with tobi s. A winner you cant buy isnt a winner. SO the whoole comparison is useless. Sorry.
Seems like the twingo is designed more with city living in mind (turning circle, sat nav) and the eUP is more an all rounder, but the price difference cant be justified. Have said all that its no good if you cant buy it VW! Not available in the UK for over a year now
They're city cars and in Italy you have much more AC charging points than CCS, and charging cost is cheaper as well. Of course bigger battery of the VW is a great benefit on her side, but not possible anymore to order it here. You did not mention heat pump standard feature in the Renault, which is a "premium" thing (you have to pay for it even on the iD3 for example).
Shame about the rapidgate effect with the current e-up. I didn't notice it when I took the original 15.9 kWh e-up on a trip from Zwickau to Munich back in 2014 to test all the then newly installed CCS chargers. And that one would have had to charge with twice the C-rate. I guess the updated more energy dense cell chemistry does have its drawbacks. I remember really, really liking that e-up, with the poor range and battery capacity being my one and only criticism (except for the slow 3,6 kW AC charging, but that wouldn't be an issue with today's abundance of CCS chargers). So although I didn't get to drive one since, after the battery / AC charger update and the announcement of the increased government grant in Germany, it's always been my first recommendation as an affordable entry-level EV to anyone who wants to stop burning fossils on a reasonable budget. Too bad VW doesn't want to sell it anymore.
Warum sollte ich mit einem E-Up nach CCS-Säulen suchen müssen wenn ich mit dem Twingo überall schnell mit AC laden kann? In erster Linie sind dass Stadtfahrzeuge! Als Zweitwagen ist der Twingo unschlagbar.
Weil ccs auch schon überall ist und man kann mit dem eUp besser Langstrecken fahren deswegen. Wenn man das braucht. Twingo ist super! Und eUp ist eh kaum lieferbar.
The e-up is sold out because they produced only a tiny amount of them - and now they are waiting for the pure EV platform for small EVs until they make anything similar... So the production numbers of the e-up will continue to be very low in the next time.
@@abraxastulammo9940 the production numbers are so low, that the people don't know when they will get theirs. The ordering of the e-up has been stopped long ago, some people get theirs on 27th december 2021. So it's practically not really produced at all. VW could sell so much more if they wanted. But the don't. Others ordered theirs in august 2020 and will get theirs in 02/2022.
@@abraxastulammo9940 relative to the demand... And for people who currently want one, the experience is like there is more or less no production. The experience. Maybe in a year, but it cannot be ordered.
@@RomanRoman-xi3dv this pricess are for lowest actual cars avalible for sale so i think most have AC, radio and even a granny cable included in the price.
Me too; the iMiev is lasting well and eventually somebody will work out how to get the car to talk to the newer version of the battery cells with higher capacity. ✌
I would doubt to get 190 km out of the Twingo battery. 2/3 of e-Up would mean 90 km less or 170 km. The 260 km are easy to get in the e-Up, even more - compared to e-GOLF. The e-Up is capable of 2 fast charging breaks at higher speed. You can get 260 km and 200 km stints for 2 times charging up to 80% and then you end up arund 650 km - and you will arrive 4 hours earlier on such distance based on 500 km in 9 hours in the Twingo. The quality of the e-Up is also a lot better and we are pretty happy that there is no Navigation Display cause the ID.4 price for navigation is 1000€ and I prefer to purchase a navigation I want from Garmin incl. rear CAM to tablet For 1000€ I can get a 13 inch Samsung Galaxy Tab incl. A Better Route Planner - or use the last seasons 11 inch tablet with gps and G4 that was 150€ back then. It only needs a bracket or adapter to hold it in place. So better to have no what ever cheap crappy infotainment if you then get a perfect spot for a tablet for just 1 single purpose: navigation by App and maybe spotify and so on And that is far better than android auto in my experience from the the e smart for 4 I had for a week, must be the same tech like in the Twingo. The Twingo is even more expensive and Renault is as expensive as my Mercedes Diesel in maintenance cause our buddy had once a Renault which I had to pick up for him to drive it to the Netherlands to him cause it was cheaper to maintain here then there as he had said.
4:15 It is ~ 9,8 m according to VW. 🤷
You are right. 10,6m is the Id.3 turning circle.
@@BatteryLife Close...it is 10,2 m. 😜
I guess I am an idiot!
I prefer the Twingo. It’s better looking, better interior, better quality (yes it is!). The range is enough for what the car is meant for.
I agree, VW is very poor in Service Quality. The E-UP without a Display is very poor from VW,
Kein ccs, deutlich weniger Reichweite, weniger Platz und verspieltes Interieur. Hat der twingo Ladesteuerung? Abfahrtszeiten, Fernsteuerung der Klimatisierung etc?
The secret to recharge e-Up faster on CCS 2 Combo Charger when traveling on highway is: Slow down to 80 km/h last 10 km before arriving at the charging station...
Hello neighbour (Hallo Nachbar), tomorrow my Peugeut 1007 will get a service and new timingbelt. My next car is very likely an electric.
Good fun to watch your channel. Auf wiedersehen.
BTW I live in Roermond 5km from NRW Germany.
If Cindy finds out what you said about the Twingo you have to sleep on the couch.
For all the germans: w-Up order books will be reopened in summer, VW summer. I had called my dealer about our next car delivery and then we talked a bit about the future of the ID family: ID 5 this winter, next year BuZZ and VW vision which is comparable to the Arteon.
2023 he expects the e-up successor but late in 2023.
The e-up will be only available for a short period of time, all fully equipped new lines and same or similar for SEAT + SKODA.
New rims and lines will appear in a kind of summer offensive before the fooball Euro championships.
I’m looking forward to the e-UP successor. If it has decent range and charging speed, it might be a good choice for us.
Should I now get the mii electric plus or should I wait for this new line up? Also, I need a car up to september, so I think I know the answer :D
@@donerbude6380 definetly. Es gibt immer wieder Mii/eUp/CitigoIVs die bei den Händlern verfügbar werden, weil diese auch Autos bestellt haben ohne direkt schon einen Käufer zu haben. Wir haben auch vor zwei Monaten mit einem Mii Glück gehabt, super Auto, macht viel Spaß.
❤️ Renault Twingo ZE ❤️
Also on journey, its better to have DC and type 2, couse you have doubble the cance to avoid waiting.for charger to clear up
It annoys me very much in e-up! (2017) FWD loses grip when starting dynamically (210 Mn too much for a 165 mm tire with 2.8 bar). I would prefer it was RWD. When it moves, it doesn't bother later.
VW would also give small cons for:
- no memory of climatronic settings (after a longer break, it returns to the factory settings, including 22 degrees),
- no brightness adjustment of the speedometer backlight (too bright at night),
- ambient light cannot be turned off,
- no automatic window closing (with one click),
- no mirrors cover on sun visor.
Besides, a nice car :-)
The memory of the climatronic is fixable. My dealer changed it with a vcds device. It can be coded in the ECU.
@@DrHouse-zs9eb My dealer said vcds is not authorized by VW and cannot use it. I have been to the service twice and they have failed.
thanks for accurate comparison 👍
When was the last time the e up was even available ? If you can t buy the winner, it does not matter how it would compare to other cars. At the moment (and for the last year) the e up was rather a marketing gag than a contribution to affordable electric cars.
Should come back in the summer.
@@BatteryLife A lot of rumours. My VW dealer told me, no way back. But i agree absolute with tobi s. A winner you cant buy isnt a winner. SO the whoole comparison is useless. Sorry.
Seems like the twingo is designed more with city living in mind (turning circle, sat nav) and the eUP is more an all rounder, but the price difference cant be justified. Have said all that its no good if you cant buy it VW! Not available in the UK for over a year now
They're city cars and in Italy you have much more AC charging points than CCS, and charging cost is cheaper as well. Of course bigger battery of the VW is a great benefit on her side, but not possible anymore to order it here.
You did not mention heat pump standard feature in the Renault, which is a "premium" thing (you have to pay for it even on the iD3 for example).
Heat pumps from Ren Nis are shit
@@pawelzebrowski683 Hi Pawel, can you give a bit more info on this fact? Did you experienced failures?
For me the VW eUp sounds like the better option: lower price for a larger battery and longer range. Are they still making it, though?
very good comparison. eUp can charge 11kW AC nowadays ;-)
Shame about the rapidgate effect with the current e-up. I didn't notice it when I took the original 15.9 kWh e-up on a trip from Zwickau to Munich back in 2014 to test all the then newly installed CCS chargers. And that one would have had to charge with twice the C-rate. I guess the updated more energy dense cell chemistry does have its drawbacks.
I remember really, really liking that e-up, with the poor range and battery capacity being my one and only criticism (except for the slow 3,6 kW AC charging, but that wouldn't be an issue with today's abundance of CCS chargers). So although I didn't get to drive one since, after the battery / AC charger update and the announcement of the increased government grant in Germany, it's always been my first recommendation as an affordable entry-level EV to anyone who wants to stop burning fossils on a reasonable budget. Too bad VW doesn't want to sell it anymore.
Ganz einfach... Der Twingo ist besser. Weil man ihn kaufen kann !!!
Warum sollte ich mit einem E-Up nach CCS-Säulen suchen müssen wenn ich mit dem Twingo überall schnell mit AC laden kann? In erster Linie sind dass Stadtfahrzeuge!
Als Zweitwagen ist der Twingo unschlagbar.
Weil ccs auch schon überall ist und man kann mit dem eUp besser Langstrecken fahren deswegen. Wenn man das braucht.
Twingo ist super! Und eUp ist eh kaum lieferbar.
@@BatteryLife Für längere Strecken kauft man andere Autos. Und dass CCS ebenso verbreitet ist wie 22kW AC ist schlichtweg nicht wahr!
In Italy the E-up purchase is no longer possible
And Twingo is still cheaper than the old Italian price of the e-Up.
Whereas in Germany is the opposite.
Hier in der Schweiz kann man Reimportierte Twingosev fuer 17500 Euros bekommen!
I’m a Renault man and I think the VW is a winner but I would probably chose the Twingo
And that is totally fine. It is not all about the specs.
Comparing the display of e-Up and Twingo is like comparing IPhone 11 with Motorola Startac old mobile phone...
The e-up is sold out because they produced only a tiny amount of them - and now they are waiting for the pure EV platform for small EVs until they make anything similar...
So the production numbers of the e-up will continue to be very low in the next time.
Mostly untrue because it is the most popular EV in Germany so far in 2021 beating Model 3 and ID.3 by 20 % in Q1
with 7260 registered cars.
@@abraxastulammo9940 the production numbers are so low, that the people don't know when they will get theirs. The ordering of the e-up has been stopped long ago, some people get theirs on 27th december 2021. So it's practically not really produced at all.
VW could sell so much more if they wanted. But the don't.
Others ordered theirs in august 2020 and will get theirs in 02/2022.
@@richard--s Production capacity is 1250 per week, of which nearly 2/3 are e-Up. So you be the judge if it is a tiny amount.
@@abraxastulammo9940 relative to the demand...
And for people who currently want one, the experience is like there is more or less no production. The experience.
Maybe in a year, but it cannot be ordered.
I ordered my eUp in January and got it yesterday. It was delayed about a month.
it's all about range!
They're city cars, second family cars supposed to run for 10k kilometers roughly: this means one charge per week and no long range trips...
Realistically the eUp variants start at about 3-4k€ more and the main provider of charging does have type 2(price per kW).
But twingo starts with no AC
@@RomanRoman-xi3dv this pricess are for lowest actual cars avalible for sale so i think most have AC, radio and even a granny cable included in the price.
I use a tablet with Android 11 in the e-up.
Bigger screen and full potential.👍
Cool idea!
Thats possible? Nice
@@donerbude6380 photos.app.goo.gl/dL8Ryd3Udx1dA4Ny9
@@jorgmeinhardt3623 I will keep this in mind :D
Thank you very much
Il France you can have a much cheaper Twingo with less equipment and a similar attachment for the phone.
What about the Dacia?
i prefer the twingo too
I’d still prefer a used iMiEV - way cheaper 😅
Me too; the iMiev is lasting well and eventually somebody will work out how to get the car to talk to the newer version of the battery cells with higher capacity. ✌
I would say Citigo is the best of 3
@@RomanRoman-xi3dv But eUp has the backup camera (unlike ID.3) and nice black trunk door.
Why u need back up camera when car is so large than u can touch rear window from driver's seat? 😂
@@dot7107 Actually, you can leave trunk door open and use your hand to feel obsticle at the back instead of using camera
Twingo. 😄
Why buy an eUP when one can buy a Citigo e iv
The Twingo is the most pointless EV i have seen to date. To expensive/to slow/no fastcharging, even the Dacia EV is better at a lower price.
It's a shame, it has a cooled battery but no CCS. Probably to protect the Zoe from cannibalisation.
I would doubt to get 190 km out of the Twingo battery. 2/3 of e-Up would mean 90 km less or 170 km. The 260 km are easy to get in the e-Up, even more - compared to e-GOLF.
The e-Up is capable of 2 fast charging breaks at higher speed. You can get 260 km and 200 km stints for 2 times charging up to 80% and then you end up arund 650 km - and you will arrive 4 hours earlier on such distance based on 500 km in 9 hours in the Twingo.
The quality of the e-Up is also a lot better and we are pretty happy that there is no Navigation Display cause the ID.4 price for navigation is 1000€ and I prefer to purchase a navigation I want from Garmin incl. rear CAM to tablet
For 1000€ I can get a 13 inch Samsung Galaxy Tab incl. A Better Route Planner - or use the last seasons 11 inch tablet with gps and G4 that was 150€ back then.
It only needs a bracket or adapter to hold it in place. So better to have no what ever cheap crappy infotainment if you then get a perfect spot for a tablet for just 1 single purpose: navigation by App and maybe spotify and so on
And that is far better than android auto in my experience from the the e smart for 4 I had for a week, must be the same tech like in the Twingo. The Twingo is even more expensive and Renault is as expensive as my Mercedes Diesel in maintenance cause our buddy had once a Renault which I had to pick up for him to drive it to the Netherlands to him cause it was cheaper to maintain here then there as he had said.
i prefer the twingo too