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Well I not read the books or seen the show ,but it does look interesting to say the least .And from China is where the writer ,as the story is suppose to be .So I guess China is going doh their version of the book ,at alike some point no doubt .Since would consider a little white washing in this one .Since the source is form China .
@@jonathanbarker1016They did already by Tencent Streaming services in 2023. That version is 30 episodes long for book one and said the Season 2 for book 2 is in the make. Due to the series volume (hours) it can go into more details and avoided some sudden move of the plot. However, the Culture Revolution part has to be censored and totally rewritten, making Ye’s motivation a little weak.
@jonathanbarker1016, As a fan of the books, Im not as concerned with racial whitewashing as much as cultural washing and dumbing everything down. They completely erased a lot of the core Chinese cultural and sociopolitical themes and elements that were important to the books. Imagine if someone decided to remake Squid Game but instead of Korea with significant wealth inequalities, they put the setting in a Norway where everybody is unionized, people are all paid decent wages, and have universal healthcare. That just ruins the key messages and themes of the work. And the show assumes American audiences are all clueless and dont understand basic analogies explaining how scientific ideas work.
Left out the #1 difference. The book was amazing and the show sucks because of its typical leftist changes made to the story create a diverse cast of shit characters. The Chinese show was far superior, mainly because it was made by people not racist towards Asians.
as a reader of the books, I think everything is moving waaay too fast and the tone is nothing like the story should be, but I am just glad that the story is still respected. Hopefully season 2 slows things down and isn't afraid to take risks because, season 1 was the most "netflix-ified" example I've seen in a long time.
I was reminded of the BBC/HBO adaptation of His Dark Materials that also had to fill three dense books into three 8-episode-long seasons. I think in both cases it works well. Although I only read the first book of Liu Cixin‘s trilogy so far so the staircase and the Wallfacer parts came as a surprise to me.
They are in the constant risk of being cancelled, and they planned for 4 seasons. I don't think is that fast, It looks that way because they are explaining the 3 books at the same time. 4 seasons for 3 books means 1 + 1/3 of book per season. And is exactly what they did on this first one. Of courser they have to remove things, but I think that similarly to what they did in Lord Of the Rings, the did it in a very clever way.
@@framegrace1 your math is backwards. 4 seasons for 3 books means 2 thirds of a book per season. But your supposition concerning the threat of cancelling is spot on. They had to take some of the juicier bits from wherever it makes sense to keep the audience entertained. As this isn't a documentary, or non-fiction, it isn't allowed to be boring, and the book, while very well written and amazing in and of itself, was clearly not written with an adaptation in mind. As an avid fan of the book, I feel the soul of Liu Cixin's work is there and the new perspective makes it interesting even for people who have the book memorized.
the general consensus seems to be that people who read the book think the show is trash because they changed it up a bit. but anyone who hasnt read the books think the show is amazing. i think people need to get over the fact that not everything has to be a 1 to 1 adaption. that would make things boring.
The thing is they made the right choices (I read the books) they are trying their best to tell a linear storyline and make it as cohesive as possible. Yes things mentioned in the 3rd book was shown in the first season but they had to do that otherwise the plot on the show would look ridiculous. I still think most pol who read the books love the adaptation so far (I know I have for sure) and so had Quinn and if Quinn says it's good it's good (Quinn is literally the foremost guy on TH-cam when it comes to sci-fi series like Dune and The 3 Body Problem series)
The show is fantastic fr Never read the book, but I was mesmerized by the plot. I migth buy the darling forest instead of waiting for possible season 2
Loved the show. I immediately got online after finishing the last episode and read what happens in book 2 and 3 and holy shit does the story get absolutely fucking bonkers.
When i read the three books i had to think about it for like 4 weeks, it was definetely the most impressive impression any book (series) ever had on me, sometimes still thinking about it
Overall, I thought it was a decent adaptation. I was hoping to get a Sophon zoom meeting between old Ye and the original San Ti who tried to warn her. I really thought that would have been an amazing opportunity for a mountain top swan song conversation. Far better than just Tatiana. I really thought Tatiana was going to say "before you go, there is someone who wants to talk to you...."
For people who liked the books or thought the tv went too fast or changed too much, try the Chinese series adaptation. It was much closer to the books and season 1 is 30 hours covering just the first book.
@@InAHandBasket they used to be available on TH-cam at MiGu official channel, but now only the first two are still available. You could check streaming services, maybe Hulu
I recommend watching the Chinese movie series (San Ti / Three Body) with 30 episodes, covering the 1st book. It's much more detailed than the Netflix series, with many scientific explanations, and the events follow the original book, I think this is the new king of sci-fi! It's a pity Netflix provided money for only 8 episodes, this was not enough to tell the story properly, it was just scratching the surface, they could not go into details, depths of the phenomenal story.
IMO, In the TV show, some characters are too fragmented, the pace of storytelling is too fast that some scenes needs more emotional build up. And some details I think it’s not necessary. Break up Wang Miao into couple of different scientists is a cool idea. But the downside is, it’s really hard for the audience to memorize and relate to so many different characters all at once. Another character I think it’s not adapted well is Yang Weining, Ye Wenjie’s husband. In the book, he loves Ye, and he is probably one of the few people who truly cared about Ye and remind her of the good side of humanity. Thus, when Ye killed him, you can tell there is a struggle and conflict in her action. Which made both characters deeper and gives more dimensions. However, in the TV show, Yang seems to be another person who betrayed Ye by stealing her discovery about the sun. Which in my opinion made the character much more boring and cliche. I also don’t like they added that little NPC girl in the VR game. She keeps screaming “save me” that at some point it becomes annoying. I guess the Show is trying to tell us how cruel the three sun problem is, but I think everyone gets it, and keeps repeating that girl is just not necessary. Another detail I noticed is, in the scene when the universe winks at you, the show took it quite literally, by just flicking the stars. Which seems a little cheap as if you are playing a PPT slides. While in the book and Chinese TV show, the so-called universe winks is actually a wave or radiation that only can be detected by using scientific methods and equipment. Which I think it’s much clever and also will shock scientists even more.
This series is an incredible storytelling achievement. It takes you on an amazing journey that stays true to its original story. More than just an adaptation, it deeply explores what the future could hold, including the chance of meeting beings from other planets. It asks big questions about whether we should try to contact aliens and what we need to think about if we do. The series also brings a unique kind of fear, not from scary things but from the huge, mysterious universe around us. This fear, mixed with wonder and the unknown, makes the show more than just entertaining-it's a thought-provoking look at what lies beyond our world and how we fit into the vastness of space.
You have to believe that there are aliens in the first place to think it is a scenario against the dangers of extra-terrestrials to earth. I think the series shows that we are the danger. The religious fanaticism for one thing. The fanatics of capitalism etc. science that is used to kill etc.
The mediums of episodic tv on screen and published novels are very different and require ‘adaptation’. I always use the example of “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”. Yes, they are different and the film made changes to the book. But as a result, they are each superior stories, within their own mediums.
Netflix version of three body problem was done beyond recognition of the source material and a huge disrespect to the original book series. Not only did it politically woke swapped gender roles and ethnicity, but changed the heart of the story by making it a sitcom.
I am halfway through the 2nd book and it truly is a difficult text to adapt. There are long dissertations about science, military strategies, mathematics or even love (Luo Ji and the writer), to summarize everything to turn it into film/tv language must have been hard. I don't like some changes that have been done, but I think it's a dynamic ans well crafted show. I still haven't seen the Chinese version.
The Chinese version is more closely to the 1st book and they even added things/characters who are not in the book. But the pace is so slow and I feel boring when watching it…. Not really interesting to watch honestly..,
I loved the books because they took on amazing scientific ideas and really made me think about them as I read. The shortcoming of the novels is that they had poor character development. The Netflix show fixed that.
I wouldnt say that the book characters are poorly developed. The concept of the series tackles gargantuan ideas that it dwarves the characters. And yes, I agree that the Netflix show gave the characters a bit of a boost to make it more palatable for the new comers to the story.
Having read books; I think show is amazing. No movie/show can be an exact copy of a book, and nor should it be! A great job in aligning timeline and consolidating story lines & characters, but essence & magic remain! Brilliant!
@@thorjansen If someone is speaking chinglish, I bet you are the first one to giggle, but triggered when it happens in reverse, easily entertained indeed lol
The Netflix delibrately cut off an important scene during Ye's father's murder, from the original book: "The supreme directive: fight with words, not with force!" Ye Zhetai's two students finally made up their minds and shouted these words. They rushed over at the same time and pulled away the four little girls who were already in a semi-crazy state. It makes a big difference because this sentence showed that Chinese leadership didn't encourage violence during the cultural revolution, and Ye Zhetai's death was an accident in which the four teenage girls lost control.
Yeah, it makes the scene where the executioner girl get sent into Labour camp didnt make anysense. and make what she said in movie to wenjie not make any sense either (that her being smart is the diffrence betwen them)
“Chinese leadership didn’t encourage violence…”. Nope, you are wrong. It only exemplifies the tension between those who are violent and those who aren’t. Same with leadership (the Mao camp versus the non-Mao camp). But Mao Zedong, the supreme among the leadership, definitely encouraged violence (removing his opponents by all means necessary was his objective afterall). The obvious logic is he could have stopped it by openly announcing it rather than let violence continue for several years. Don’t be brainwashed by the CCP’s sanitized history telling.
@@thehumus8688 Western media rarely misses an opportunity to exaggerate dark chapters in the history of Communist countries. It's not "Enemy at the Gates" bad, but it is a misrepresentation of the actual politics of the Cultural Revolution.
This only shows that students at Tsinghua University are willing to reason. China's Cultural Revolution encouraged violence and abuse. During the Cultural Revolution, people even used thermal weapons to shoot at each other, much like a civil war. You know nothing about China's history.
I like how they’ve split the key characters from the novel series into the Oxford 5 and makes the adaptation such that I think they can keep these characters in future series. Whereas the books introduce new charatcers for different things since the timescales in it are large. And I love da shis dry humour which is similar to the books
For the adaption to the screen viewer, the VR headset, quoted by the scientist on the shows, is 100 yrs ahead. It's super contradict to the books that the SenTi refused to give tech/knowledge to the cult (quite logical, don't you think?). In the books, the Senti have very clear agenda to kill all the human. with the power of sophon in the shows, it's easily to wipe human on earth easily just now. IDK, maybe the aliens in the shows would be different.
Even in the books it's more complicated than that. The books talk about how there are different factions on Trisolaris arguing for different plans with what to do with humans, including plans to coexist.
I was hoping to hear that in the books, "the aliens don't have any desire to kill the wallfacer to send humans that fail instead of utilizing a fraction of a second of Sophon's time to do it" and "there is no turning a ship to mincemeat hoping the hard drive on it would survive" and "some more detailed explanations are given, for example why the aliens haven't killed everyone already, which shouldn't take Sophons more than few minutes, a day tops".
Spoilers so don't read if you don't want to know their nature in the book: The Sophons were for me the most problematic part of the book in that they're overpowered sometimes but then not really used after they're introduced. A lot like how in comic book movies a villain will use some power in an early fight that totally overwhelms the hero and seems unstoppable but will never use it again the rest of the movie lol. That said the book series does at least go to some effort to explain their limitations. It's revealed that they're vulnerable to conventional weapons if they unfold themselves on Earth so that's why they don't just unfold and block out the sun or something and their form as a single proton is so small and low mass that even a single cell organism wouldn't notice a physical interaction with them so they can't just shoot through someone and kill them. Things like hacking computers, crashing planes etc are never carried out by Sophons in the books. They're mostly limited to being a tool for communication/surveillance. The books offer a lot more depth of world building explaining and featuing different ideologies and organisations that form to support the Trisolarans (sorry.. the "San Ti") and for the most part they act as the physical arm of the Trisolarans in advance of their arrival
@@MMOplayeerryeah this part was so absurd, followed then by more and more, that even though i still enjoyed my whole watch, can't give it a good note and consider it a good serie.
I can understand both sides. For those who have read through the books, the Netflix version is like an absolutely dummy version. They've oversimplified almost all the plot, and characters also they made the whole story 3 times faster? Which is horrible to present this story. On the other side, for those who don't have time or are new to the series, the Netflix series is like a doorstep for them to get into this complicated story, so it is a welcomed phase. But personally, as who has read through the book, the original Chinese books and the English version, I'm not too fond of the Netflix version, probably can only give a 4/10. An oversimplified and over-twisted dummy version of the original stories.
The Netflix show is a cliff notes version produced by someone who themselves only read a synopsis of major plot points. The overall feel and pace is just wrong… And making Mike Evan’s romantically inclined with Ye shows that they don’t understand the source material.
Well one way to adapt is, is to leave most of the science out and the little bit dumbed down for the mainstream audience...tbh I still like the netflix show, but its just because scifi is rarely done well and with respect to intelligence instead of respect to as many $$ as you can get out of the movie.
I dont get the hate some people hate towards Auggie, ppl say she recovers to fast emotionally but I think its a good take otherwise the caracter would be really boring, as the show. It moves quick with new things coming and I like it.
Hmmmm...I just started but disagree with the central premise. I think the two books show very different sets of characters in very different contexts, and people are too often presuming they are nothing but polemics.
As a fan of the books, the issue is cultural washing and dumbing everything down. They completely erased a lot of the core Chinese cultural and sociopolitical themes and elements that were important to the books. Imagine if someone decided to remake Squid Game but instead of Korea with significant wealth inequalities, they put the setting in a Norway where everybody is unionized, people are all paid decent wages, and have universal healthcare. That just ruins the key messages and themes of the work. And the show assumes American audiences are all clueless and dont understand basic analogies explaining how scientific ideas work.
@@journeysands2622 No, it still won't work well for several of the main characters because they're steeped in East Asian/Korean culture. For example, the MC's best friend got into debt, joined squid game, and then committed suicide because of the shame of getting into a very prestigous school but still failing his family. This extremely high pressure of living up to expectations (especially from someone who went to a pretigous school) is something most people in the USA and UK wouldn't understand very well. In East Asia, people also generally trust well educated/prestigous education people and automatically assume they make better decisions. That is why people in the show trusted the MC's best friend and why they followed him around to let him make decisions. For a lot of the squid game participants who went into debt, this can be cleared through bankruptcy in the USA or UK, so people in those countries will just wonder why the people in debt don't declare bankruptcy and have their debts cleared. In contrast, Korea doesn't have a dedicated bankruptcy court, personal bankruptcy is convoluted and rarely used, and is is a shameful procedure that creates a lot of bad stigma. People in Korea will work to pay off a big debt, while people in the USA will declare bankruptcy in the same situation as there is less stigma and is an easier process.
@@Intranetusa you've forgotten that there are many cultures in America. Some of them view financial failure as grounds for huge shame. So they would have gone back to continue the squid game after they were first released. Source: numerous conversations with people. I was actually shocked myself that some Americans thought like this. Some were talking about gambling debts or debts to loan sharks etc Bankruptcy court will not help you there lol! So I still think it would work well in an American setting. Not that there should be an American remake cos that will suck just bcos the og is so good
@@journeysands2622 I didn't forget - the UK isn't as diverse as the US, and while the US is diverse, they often aren't represented in the media. There are many cultures in America, but you can bet that Hollywood will likely cast a typical WASP (White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant) in the lead role if this was ever adapted in America. The American media likes to use WASPs as the "default" standard Americans and typecast and stereotype other cultural groups. For example, the vast majority of the media I've seen with Italian ancestry characters have them playing some sort of gangster, mafia, or pizza maker. The East Asian characters plays the smart nerds, kung fu fighter/master, or laundromat/nail shop owner. Black African characters are usually depicted as rappers, gangsters, atheletes, etc.
Who cares? The books are a completely different media, made for a very different audience. All that matters the the end-result of the show is enjoyable, and aligned with the spirit of the story and characters. Personally I think the show succeeded in both of those aspects.
Started to watch the Chinese version on Prime. But it was so slow I felt asleep. That show really needs a good editor. 30 episodes is just ridiculous. I prefer the Netflix version even with its changes.
I wish if they were to adapt a book series that they would not change basic ideas like locations and major characters. they can "update" character personalities without changing continents. the whole point is that they were from a communist point of view that had changed for the better not that they were capitalist that were fixing a communist issue. not that I approve of China but the idea of creating new characters and change of location would totally change his perspective and not have the same outcome.
Yeah, I watched only two episodes. That's enough for me. It seems like Netflix uses the original story as a canvas on which to paint its boring diversity agenda. For example, I hope the book doesn't have that trite bar scene where the guy asks the women what they do. Its only purpose is to comment on the "patriarchy." A more interesting end to the scene probably never crossed the showrunner's mind. In this video, I see the Saul character asks why he was chosen. It's obvious to me -- he's black.
@@AshtonCoolman it amazing how many people actually believe the lies that China censor history. if China censor history, this book wouldn't exist in the first place to be translated, wouldn't it? the show do censor is death and smoking since they want broadcast right, it a running joke in the show were the cop keep wanting to smoke but is always interrupted... xD I was surprise they got away with showing people get sliced up, but i guess the character was out of focus so the censor didn't mind or caught it.
@@AshtonCoolman It may be different from what some people imagine，the Cultural Revolution is not a completely taboo topic on chinese Internet. The Chinese version’s description of this part of the Cultural Revolution is not as straightforward as the Netflix version, but with more than thirty episodes, there is more time to deepen it. It perfectly explains why Ye Wenjie fell into despair for human civilization
I hope not. Cheng Xin is the most annoying character. She makes dumb decisions over and over again and gets a pass for it. I hope they keep most everything the same except for her character.
My favorite book to date, I LOVE how they explored the 4th dimension topic and expanded even more on the Dark Forest Theory from the second book. Love how super sci-fi it got.
@@rafaelsomething5880there are haters I loved the series, this is a complete story in 8 episodes, but it could continue in seasons 2 and 3 and I wish it will happen!
Agreed 100%. I was concerned at first, but I quickly realized that the "Oxford 5" were just the main characters from books 2 and 3 introduced a little bit early. Sure, the names and ethnicities are changed, but the characters are essentially the same, and they go through a lot of the same events. The Wallfacer stuff and the Project Staircase stuff in particular is almost 1:1 from the books. Ye Wenjie is almost completely intact from the books. They put a lot of care and attention to detail when making the tv series.
For the ones that read the books, keep in mind, it’s “Based on” not an “adaptation of”…. Even so, as someone that totally fell in love with the books (and author), I really enjoyed Netflix’s take on this amazing story and looking forward to it continuation.
@@sophonblock76 Based on is literally in the opening credits and what is it a remake of? The Chinese adaptation which followed the books more closely? Your argument isn’t making much sense.
@@ShirleyTimple Semantics are definitely needed as the subject is “It’s not following the book exactly (or even mostly 😋). You, mixing up personal opinion with fact and using it as a counter, is very entertaining on its own lol
I think the problem with the series is the oversimplification of characters. Taking Ye Wenjie as example. She and her experience are the highlights of book one. Her desperation, her hope (example when almost dying giving birth to Yang Dong, then saved and kindly treated by the villagers), her regret (for starting the ETO and lost control, just like another mad culture revolution), her redemption (inspiring LuoJi). While now she becomes just a flat character filled with hatred. This book series has so much more to dig, that if they did it justice, it could hit a much higher level rather than now being just average, because they wanted to swallow too much in one go.
What are you talking about? She still gets her redemption by inspiring Saul. And we don't get all the details, but we can see both her hatred and eventual regret.
@@hanslehnardt7230 the problem is, after removing the experience of kindness in her life, that her redemption and regret seems to lack motivation. As a product of that era, Ye’s background colour is desperate and numb ash grey with sparkling of tiny hopes, hatred has faded away from her a long time ago. I just feel that she is really one of the characters that they should devote more time into. And that’s just one aspect I think need improvement
@@hanslehnardt7230 But the reason she inspires Saul is more like a collapse of faith rather than save humanity; in the book Ye Wenjie sees the Trisolaran as a tool to make human society better, but the TV series treats it more like Ye Wenjie believes in a san-ti religion. i don't know which one is better, but for me, I prefer Ye to act like an idealist rather than a religious leader, btw 3 body problem is a good show overalls. But within eight episodes in a season it seems hard to portray a character as complex as Ye Wenjie. In the book, this character is as popular as Thomas Wade. Apparently she didn't get the same treatment as Thomas Wade
💯 agree. The show suffers from oversimplification. Unfortunately that's what the masses demand, they need action and things happening or they will get bored... They don't want to suffer through Ye's backstory so in a way I get what Netflix and the producers are doing... This is what "entertainment" is today - action and shallow humor 🤷♂️
I feel the opposite. In the book only Ye Wenjie and to a less extend TIanmien, are somewhat developed characters, the other ones are just mere tools for an objective. In the series they all got more substance an meaning. Also the book is really glaciar on all the horrible things that happen, no one really reacts emotionally.
With all the adding, cutting, shifting, shuffling, etc. all the characters and events, I think the show is more appropriate to be labeled as "inspired by", not adaptation.
How about the fact that in the show the vr game consol is not a normal consol but an alien technology that “made its way” to earth when nothing could 😂
The worst thing about this is that most people are going to only know THIS story and not the actual best selling story....a fucked up Hollywood toned down piece of shit story. The Chinese series released 2 years ago was leagues above this version.
I hated Netflix depiction how the Universe flickered, they actually went and flickered all the stars what human eye can see in our skies, like it was some lightbulb turning on and off, that is really a dumbed down version. However the tencent chinese version, the flickering of the universe was depicted by measuring cosmic waves fluctuations, that is a much more scientific way of showing it.
Cosmic background microwave radiation, but your point stands. Every change they made was for the dumb. When all screens showed the bugs message and the sky became a mirror (though with sunshine still going through I guess), I thought, OMG things are gonna go down now. Then in the episode everything is business as usual. If the sophons could do that, I was wondering why not keep doing it? And then I read the book, and it makes way more sense.
The writing really sucks. Give you a fee examples. Vera just kind of floats out of the story dies off screen, barely mentioned, moves on. The 2nd half of the series is driven by sending a capsule to the aliens , and the explanation for it is just walked over and then fails and series ends without any line as to why any of that mattered. It's GOt season 8 again
i don't know: if you decide to make a movie/series which a big part of is science and physics, then MAYBE, just MAYBE you should hire some physicist (even a second year student would do) so that you don't state a TOTAL NONSENSE EVERY 2nd SENTENCE related to science... I haven't read the books, so no idea if all this nonsense was there or if it is a product of the brilliant minds of D&D....
I notice you didn’t provide any examples. It’s also stupid to hold sci fi to real life scientific standards. If the stuff in sci fi books made total sense then we’d be traveling lightspeed irl. These unrealistic standards make it clear you don’t have any real criticisms to offer.
@@harate "It's also stupid to hold sci fi to real scientific standards. If the stuff in sci fi books made total sense then we’d be traveling lightspeed irl. " "These unrealistic standards make it clear you don’t have any real criticisms to offer." wtf are you saying? Like honnestly are you 10 years old? Did you graduate high school? Do you have a working brain? Honnestly you shouldn't give your opinion, it is so fucking useless and stupid that i am getting mad for no reason...
The books were much better!! The randomness of human thoughts and loneliness is what defined the books for me. The whole journey is lonely, it is hard science fiction not soft. You cant give a five minute monologue instead of 100s of pages of detailed writing. Why are they rushing? Why are all characters friends from the start? Are they the chosen ones? Lisan al Gaib? Not even 1 time jump has happened in the series and yet we have all heroes already. We arent supposed to stick with most characters in the books, they are just there to explore ideas. The books are very long, but the ideas are explored much better there. Rest is as they say, your wish... what you wanna consume. I am just very glad I read the books first, imagination is 100% times better for this sort of stuff, IMO And China is barely explored here. The chick who calls aliens doesnt even understand her own feelings in the books, that worked so well. Here she had a sudden 180.
The quality of the episodes drops off around 4-5. It feels like it was suddenly directed, edited, and written by a completely different group of people. One scene in particular had insane microphone peaking on one character.
You missed out the single most important point: the inane and contorted “joke” that Saul is told at the end. That was most avoidable. I does not capture the nuance of the axioms used in the books which are based on game theory and the Fermi paradox: humanity’s need for survival in the backdrop of a chain of suspicion, and technological explosion coupled with a need to expand within a universe with finite resources. Together they form the basis for cosmological sociology and set the groundwork for guessing at the nature of the dark forest. The joke is stupid and contains only one aspect of the problem: if you make yourself known then you will be attacked. Retrofitting it to what later happens in the books is like trying to desperately fit a square peg into a round hole. One must ask the question: why do show runners and wannabe writers think they can write better than an award-winning author?
I think to tell a good adapted story, we need to move away from 8 episodes a season! The least should be 10 and maximum 12 or 13. Packing too much in too few episodes is usually a series killer😢
I think re-imagining the characters was a good move so there is some continuity and characters to follow throughout the whole story. In the books almost none of the characters except for a handful (Wade, Lou Ji, Ye Wenjie, Cheng Xin, Yun Tianming) are really developed. A lot of characters appear for a bit and then vanish from the story never to be seen again. This would make for very confusing TV
You appear to have never read a remotely decent novel. A story should have a few set established characters it revolves around. This shit series gutted the story so they can have a larger more diverse cast which removed the focus from the actual story itself.
Tldr - the book has important philosophical ideas, big thinking and almost reads like a sci-fi horror unlike any other. The author takes some liberty with fringe science but has put alot of thought into how things might play out like a 'what if' sci-fi scenario and the answers tend to be logical and terrifying. The TV series is more like a good action sci-fi interspersed with drama. It removes alot of the philosophical aspects and simplifies the hard science. It is a different experience altogether. I would say the TV series simplifies the books alot let's say from a level of 10/10 down to a level of 3/10. This is why book readers feel the show is not good. It also gives it a Hollywood feel which removes a sense of realism the book delivers. This is unfortunately just a safe play on what Netflix viewers want. Big actors big explosions and CGI. It's entertainment for TV and not meant to be fan service anyway. Takeaway: if you like big ideas, esp sci-fi please read the book first. If not, the TV show is good enough to explore core concepts from the book. (but you'll need to pay attention as core concepts are sometimes mentioned or explained very briefly - eg. My wife missed a min of dialogue and completely misinterpreted the rest of the episode. Even the important events happening to important characters sometimes aren't acted out in a scene but just mentioned in dialogue between other characters so it's easy to miss.) I think if the TV series started of as a thriller mystery, evolving into horror and then the struggle against hopelessness and dread... That would better convey the book. The best style would be that of Hannibal, contact, and Chernobyl series. Maybe a little bit of that xfiles vibe at the start when it was still a mystery before the antagonists were revealed.
I highly recommend reading the books, they are deeper and make more sense. To be honest, the Netflix adaptation of the Three Body Problem seems very simplified to me, with flat characters and atrocious dialogue. Everyone who says it's just a few changes hasn't read the books at all.
@@brodull1142 you realise PRC is not the one veto supporting Israel in committing genocide right? let be real here, China is not the evil government in this world.
I personally think this movie is made for people like me, and my friends, who can't really understand all the science part. My sister and I, for example, couldn't really understand what happened in Auggie's scene when she shut down the lab, what was nanofiber, etc. We only understood it in episode 5. Maybe it became more difficult since English isn't our mother tongue. But for ppl like us, despite our limited understanding, we enjoyed the plot. I personally looked up for more explanation online and it didn't take away my initial enjoyment of the show.
In my university we have Chinese exchange students and I talked to some of them about this. They do not like the Netflix version and told me in china they made their own version and it is better
The Chinese version is better. Totally agree. I’m not Chinese and I’ve not read the books, but the Chinese version is deeper, philosophical and intellectual. It’s not perfect, but what is
I've read the books with great passion and watched the Chinese version before the Netflix one but I could not finish it, it was super boring. It's very, very litteral and lacks rythm.
@@helenedastana Then you are not a real fan of the books, as the chinese version was 99% true to the book and had more character development than the books even.
I was skeptical about the 3 body problem, but fortunately my daughter recommended it to me. I am a big fan of science fiction, not science fantasy or even worse pure fantasy passed off as Sci-fi. This series impressed me! (Something that has not happened in a very long time.) They did not go light with the science part...when I had to explain the 3 body problem (Newton's problem) and what the WOW signal is, to my wife, that was a good thing. Now I hope that Netflix will continue with the series. I will read the book after that.
This garbage impressed you? All the brilliance of the story was removed and was dumbed down. The Chinese version actually stuck to the award winning novel.
It’s really annoying that this wasn’t well researched enough to include the fact that Jack is absolutely a character in the books. Tianming has a friend from college that owns the beverage company. Y’all need to watch Quinn’s ideas … the differences between the show in the bucks cannot be pointed out in 13 minutes. There also is multiplayer mode in the game , what are you talking about ?! my biggest issue with the show is that the cop isn’t playing the game like he is in the book. Tatiana is shen yufei
I liked the adaptation of Tianming into Will, the connection with Jin and Jack's testament. It makes more sense than the book version, which feels very forced.
Both are good. Actually like the show more. My only gripe is how localised all the characters are. Would have preferred to see the story spread across the globe.
Love the show. Its pretty damn accurate to the books all things considered, not a 1-1 direct translation but all the story beats are there. Damn im glad they didnt fuck it up. DnD may be shit at writing completely new stuff (game of thrones late seasons) but they can adapt books pretty damn well.
Because most books are not written thinking they are going to be adapted to other media. Adapting this series 1:1 would render a tv show about 900 hours long. Not feasible. Besides I’m sure you can communicate the book’s main plot lines and ideas in much simplified manner. The series was awesome in some areas (science, sociology, scheming) and dreadful in others (dialogues, human interactions, romance). I for one almost stopped reading The Dark Forest thanks to the long, weird, kind of chauvinistic love story between Lou Ji and Yan… so yeah. Adaptations are not bad. This one in particular is not bad at all. Besides, why would you want to have an exact adaptation of anything? You have your own idea built up in your head; cherish that. Enjoy other’s vision and explore other possibilities!
I'm not fond of the Netflix series. I'd read the first book and within minutes watching the series had no idea how the series matched the book. New characters, new subplots, very weak if any character development, etc. I decided early on the forget what I knew about the book and just watch 3BP as a new 'show'. The storytelling pacing is awful.... way too fast. All of the story shortcuts in the series are jarring and don't allow concepts to sink in or have deep relevance, as in the book. And the utter westernization of the show is predictably disrespectful of the original story. Not that I mind some streamlining (book-to-film), but this first season reminded me of season 8 of Game of Thrones... rushed, hitting story marks and often making no sense. Ooof! And whoever the actor playing Auggie is, she needs to go back to acting school (if she ever went to one). Not a credible character actor. My opinions, all. Just mine.
I find it interesting of the alterations Ken Liu made in translations. For example, the title of the 3rd book was translated as "Death's End", but the direct translation of the original title is "God of Death Lives Forever". The meaning is vastly different, and I think the original title fits the story better.
I really wanted this show to be good, but it has like 1 cool scene and then it's all dialogue. It felt too cheeky, group of genius friends and all their drama, and then they make the comfort pot smoking black friend boring as all heck and they try to give him an important role for basically hanging out with his cancer friend. If they have these "super computers" the size of protons that can hack everything, including peoples minds in real time why wouldn't the Asanti just blast every nuke off, nuclear plants malfunction destruction, etc. I know they try to explain it with fiber wire but the "Aluminum" ship scene was kinda funny.
@@nepenthy9804 she's betrayed the same way as a traitor to humanity which in humanities case is a villain however if you side with ETO she's not one in both book and adaption and in both gives humanity the theories needed to save them.
As a bug, I just had to read the trilogy first...then I watched the Netflix series. The books are so much more detailed and demanding, keeping my curiosity at a fever pitch. The screen version changes lots (grrr) and spoon feeds the narrative (but I still liked watched season one).
i've read the books and as you said there are lots of differences but for the show i liked the adaptation. it was a hard work to do and they've done it. Producers did well. Second season will be much much harder imo. i hope they can complete it.
Both and no, I don't think it's trash. Because unlike the wheel of time the people involved did everything they could to make it as truly the book is possible. The main problem people don't get is transferring a book or books onto TV and to hook an audience and hasn't read it. You can't be as cold and unattached to characters. To make up for the lack of narration and knowing what's going on before the characters do as you do. You read, they have to bring it parts of the storyline from the next book or the third for it to make sense cuz you don't have the all-knowing viewpoint of a reader
Overly simplified, much of the BIG suspense is missing (or suppressed). I've seen the Chinese TV series and it's superior in every way As a fan of the books, the Netflix adaptation is less than acceptable...watchable, but not satisfying.
I've read the first book and watched the show. I do like the show brought in additional characters in the show. Making the show true to the book with only 2 people would not have made for a very good show in my opinion. I really didn't like jumping all over in the timeline in the book, i think the linear in order way works much better. The additions Netflix has added is what makes the show more entertaining for me.
I read the OG chinese version. The author struggled with storytelling and character development until the third book. Considering it was his debut work, I can forgive this, especially since his strength lies in explaining physics, which I love. Although Netflix excelled in storytelling, but fell short in explaining most of the concepts behind alien technology, which the book delves into with great detail.
Fair take. I miss that physics stuff too, but I can accept that the average viewer would want no part. Curious how they will handle the 4th dimensional scenes. 😆
Is it possible Cixin Liu wrote the story from a Chinese point view, so that cultural difference is playing a role here? If so, maybe it is a good chance to learn from it and enjoy. People cannot assume all fictions or literatures must follow the same pattern that westerners are familiar with.
@@aroonsubway2079 he absolutely wrote it from a Chinese cultural view. There are parts in the books where characters have conversations that, they just don't feel normal from an American perspective. It's pretty interesting as a reader from the states to enhabit that space, I thought. For a studio though, it would be a gamble. Even if they used a more Asian cast, it would be with western dialog.
The fact that the show barely touched on the human computer, omitted the formation of the moon and the creation of the Sophons is just bizarre. These were incredibly cinematic moments that I assume were left out because the creators thought the audience was “too dumb”.
Read the books. Watched 3 body on prime. 13:02 . That series from china followed the books. I can’t get into this version. This version seems more enjoyable to those who haven’t read the books.
As currently China has issues with espionage, cyber attacks and mass spying It’s hard to swallow a Chinese military leader as 1 of 3. Also the space effort without either Russia, or NASA/ JPL makes it a hard swallow. I was hoping that risking Cho would stay. Her character was refreshing and strong.
Personally as someone who didn't know about the original book, I really like the way how they changed and directed it. It was a lot of fun to watch and some characters were entertaining. Only downside for me was the last episode that had almost no story or meaning at all. I understand that they should keep story for the other seasons but it felt quite pointless.
To me it seems they really only made three significant changes but that did cause some ripple effects: i) they "UKified" the characters and location, ii) reorganised the story so it's mostly chronological and iii) made some minor changes to help the audience with some of the physics and political explanations. Better than a lot of book adaptations and in some ways a definite improvement for a wider audience.
@@Lesdrasill What do you mean? The cultural revolution scene is how it is depicted in the english translation book. From what I gathered it was also true to history. Intellectuals were abused and shamed in the Cultural revolution.
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you should do the differences between the Netflix and AmazonPrimeVideo versions.
Well I not read the books or seen the show ,but it does look interesting to say the least .And from China is where the writer ,as the story is suppose to be .So I guess China is going doh their version of the book ,at alike some point no doubt .Since would consider a little white washing in this one .Since the source is form China .
@@jonathanbarker1016They did already by Tencent Streaming services in 2023. That version is 30 episodes long for book one and said the Season 2 for book 2 is in the make. Due to the series volume (hours) it can go into more details and avoided some sudden move of the plot. However, the Culture Revolution part has to be censored and totally rewritten, making Ye’s motivation a little weak.
@jonathanbarker1016, As a fan of the books, Im not as concerned with racial whitewashing as much as cultural washing and dumbing everything down. They completely erased a lot of the core Chinese cultural and sociopolitical themes and elements that were important to the books. Imagine if someone decided to remake Squid Game but instead of Korea with significant wealth inequalities, they put the setting in a Norway where everybody is unionized, people are all paid decent wages, and have universal healthcare. That just ruins the key messages and themes of the work. And the show assumes American audiences are all clueless and dont understand basic analogies explaining how scientific ideas work.
Left out the #1 difference.
The book was amazing and the show sucks because of its typical leftist changes made to the story create a diverse cast of shit characters. The Chinese show was far superior, mainly because it was made by people not racist towards Asians.
as a reader of the books, I think everything is moving waaay too fast and the tone is nothing like the story should be, but I am just glad that the story is still respected. Hopefully season 2 slows things down and isn't afraid to take risks because, season 1 was the most "netflix-ified" example I've seen in a long time.
I was reminded of the BBC/HBO adaptation of His Dark Materials that also had to fill three dense books into three 8-episode-long seasons.
I think in both cases it works well. Although I only read the first book of Liu Cixin‘s trilogy so far so the staircase and the Wallfacer parts came as a surprise to me.
They are in the constant risk of being cancelled, and they planned for 4 seasons. I don't think is that fast, It looks that way because they are explaining the 3 books at the same time.
4 seasons for 3 books means 1 + 1/3 of book per season. And is exactly what they did on this first one.
Of courser they have to remove things, but I think that similarly to what they did in Lord Of the Rings, the did it in a very clever way.
@@framegrace1 your math is backwards. 4 seasons for 3 books means 2 thirds of a book per season. But your supposition concerning the threat of cancelling is spot on. They had to take some of the juicier bits from wherever it makes sense to keep the audience entertained. As this isn't a documentary, or non-fiction, it isn't allowed to be boring, and the book, while very well written and amazing in and of itself, was clearly not written with an adaptation in mind. As an avid fan of the book, I feel the soul of Liu Cixin's work is there and the new perspective makes it interesting even for people who have the book memorized.
@@stevenwojtysiak6392no, their math is fine. 1+1/3 book per season. Your math falls short
@@EricMcD15 1 1/3 books per season times four seasons would be 5 + 1/3 books. I think the trilogy is only 3 books in length not 5 and a third books.
the general consensus seems to be that people who read the book think the show is trash because they changed it up a bit. but anyone who hasnt read the books think the show is amazing. i think people need to get over the fact that not everything has to be a 1 to 1 adaption. that would make things boring.
The thing is they made the right choices (I read the books) they are trying their best to tell a linear storyline and make it as cohesive as possible. Yes things mentioned in the 3rd book was shown in the first season but they had to do that otherwise the plot on the show would look ridiculous. I still think most pol who read the books love the adaptation so far (I know I have for sure) and so had Quinn and if Quinn says it's good it's good (Quinn is literally the foremost guy on TH-cam when it comes to sci-fi series like Dune and The 3 Body Problem series)
I read the book and I think the show is great. I think it’s a vocal minority that are complaining about it not being a 1:1 adaptation.
@@1ncredulous exactly, I feel the same way 👍🏾
The show is fantastic fr
Never read the book, but I was mesmerized by the plot. I migth buy the darling forest instead of waiting for possible season 2
People are entitled to their opinions
Loved the show. I immediately got online after finishing the last episode and read what happens in book 2 and 3 and holy shit does the story get absolutely fucking bonkers.
When i read the three books i had to think about it for like 4 weeks, it was definetely the most impressive impression any book (series) ever had on me, sometimes still thinking about it
Hated the ending of the books, but loved the journey.
@@KennethWuAU why you telling that to us?!?!?? Why you ruined our Christmas?
@@bigotutbigotescu4723don’t listen lol the ending of the book is WILD but satisfying, it was literally the best ending anyone could ever written.
@@amberhan6524 also the ONLY ending that could wrap up what was started tbh
Overall, I thought it was a decent adaptation. I was hoping to get a Sophon zoom meeting between old Ye and the original San Ti who tried to warn her. I really thought that would have been an amazing opportunity for a mountain top swan song conversation. Far better than just Tatiana. I really thought Tatiana was going to say "before you go, there is someone who wants to talk to you...."
In case you don't know.. you can also watch Chinese Version of 3 Body Problem... It's more detailed and focused on the MC..
And it’s also heavily censored regarding ye wenjies backstory to make china/communism look better
What's the name of the Chinese version, because some of the characters in this just pisses me off
@@amoebaslatoe7925search in TH-cam ： three-body Tencent video. The Chinese show with English subtitles, 45 episodes.
@@amoebaslatoe7925 three-body 2023
@@amoebaslatoe7925 probably 3 body problem...
For people who liked the books or thought the tv went too fast or changed too much, try the Chinese series adaptation. It was much closer to the books and season 1 is 30 hours covering just the first book.
Is is translated via close-caption? Where can we find it?
@@InAHandBasket they used to be available on TH-cam at MiGu official channel, but now only the first two are still available. You could check streaming services, maybe Hulu
I recommend watching the Chinese movie series
(San Ti / Three Body)
with 30 episodes, covering the 1st book.
It's much more detailed than the Netflix series,
with many scientific explanations,
and the events follow the original book,
I think this is
the new king of sci-fi!
It's a pity Netflix provided money for only 8 episodes,
this was not enough to tell the story properly, it was just scratching the surface, they could not go into details, depths of the phenomenal story.
IMO, In the TV show, some characters are too fragmented, the pace of storytelling is too fast that some scenes needs more emotional build up. And some details I think it’s not necessary.
Break up Wang Miao into couple of different scientists is a cool idea. But the downside is, it’s really hard for the audience to memorize and relate to so many different characters all at once.
Another character I think it’s not adapted well is Yang Weining, Ye Wenjie’s husband. In the book, he loves Ye, and he is probably one of the few people who truly cared about Ye and remind her of the good side of humanity. Thus, when Ye killed him, you can tell there is a struggle and conflict in her action. Which made both characters deeper and gives more dimensions. However, in the TV show, Yang seems to be another person who betrayed Ye by stealing her discovery about the sun. Which in my opinion made the character much more boring and cliche.
I also don’t like they added that little NPC girl in the VR game. She keeps screaming “save me” that at some point it becomes annoying. I guess the Show is trying to tell us how cruel the three sun problem is, but I think everyone gets it, and keeps repeating that girl is just not necessary.
Another detail I noticed is, in the scene when the universe winks at you, the show took it quite literally, by just flicking the stars. Which seems a little cheap as if you are playing a PPT slides. While in the book and Chinese TV show, the so-called universe winks is actually a wave or radiation that only can be detected by using scientific methods and equipment. Which I think it’s much clever and also will shock scientists even more.
This series is an incredible storytelling achievement. It takes you on an amazing journey that stays true to its original story. More than just an adaptation, it deeply explores what the future could hold, including the chance of meeting beings from other planets. It asks big questions about whether we should try to contact aliens and what we need to think about if we do. The series also brings a unique kind of fear, not from scary things but from the huge, mysterious universe around us. This fear, mixed with wonder and the unknown, makes the show more than just entertaining-it's a thought-provoking look at what lies beyond our world and how we fit into the vastness of space.
You have to believe that there are aliens in the first place to think it is a scenario against the dangers of extra-terrestrials to earth. I think the series shows that we are the danger. The religious fanaticism for one thing. The fanatics of capitalism etc. science that is used to kill etc.
The mediums of episodic tv on screen and published novels are very different and require ‘adaptation’.
I always use the example of “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”. Yes, they are different and the film made changes to the book. But as a result, they are each superior stories, within their own mediums.
Yes.
Netflix version of three body problem was done beyond recognition of the source material and a huge disrespect to the original book series. Not only did it politically woke swapped gender roles and ethnicity, but changed the heart of the story by making it a sitcom.
I am halfway through the 2nd book and it truly is a difficult text to adapt. There are long dissertations about science, military strategies, mathematics or even love (Luo Ji and the writer), to summarize everything to turn it into film/tv language must have been hard. I don't like some changes that have been done, but I think it's a dynamic ans well crafted show. I still haven't seen the Chinese version.
The Chinese version is more closely to the 1st book and they even added things/characters who are not in the book. But the pace is so slow and I feel boring when watching it…. Not really interesting to watch honestly..,
I loved the books because they took on amazing scientific ideas and really made me think about them as I read. The shortcoming of the novels is that they had poor character development. The Netflix show fixed that.
could you tell the reason why the book had poor character development?
I wouldnt say that the book characters are poorly developed. The concept of the series tackles gargantuan ideas that it dwarves the characters. And yes, I agree that the Netflix show gave the characters a bit of a boost to make it more palatable for the new comers to the story.
@@pengzhang-sy6zwit's what we call hard sci-fi most hard sci-fi focuses more on the science and the characters become secondary.
@@ameer781 nonono，i mean, name a character which you think he is poor development,and tell the reason which way he is poor development
@@pengzhang-sy6zw the character are flat af. I feel like the only characters that stand out are Da Shi and Ye Wenjie.
Having read books; I think show is amazing. No movie/show can be an exact copy of a book, and nor should it be! A great job in aligning timeline and consolidating story lines & characters, but essence & magic remain! Brilliant!
I like listening to how all you English-speaking people struggle to pronounce the X sound in Chinese
You are easily entertained then, I take it.
Yeh it's hilarious because it's halfway between sh and s
@@thorjansen If someone is speaking chinglish, I bet you are the first one to giggle, but triggered when it happens in reverse, easily entertained indeed lol
The Netflix delibrately cut off an important scene during Ye's father's murder, from the original book:
"The supreme directive: fight with words, not with force!" Ye Zhetai's two students finally made up their minds and shouted these words. They rushed over at the same time and pulled away the four little girls who were already in a semi-crazy state.
It makes a big difference because this sentence showed that Chinese leadership didn't encourage violence during the cultural revolution, and Ye Zhetai's death was an accident in which the four teenage girls lost control.
Yeah, it makes the scene where the executioner girl get sent into Labour camp didnt make anysense.
and make what she said in movie to wenjie not make any sense either (that her being smart is the diffrence betwen them)
“Chinese leadership didn’t encourage violence…”. Nope, you are wrong. It only exemplifies the tension between those who are violent and those who aren’t. Same with leadership (the Mao camp versus the non-Mao camp). But Mao Zedong, the supreme among the leadership, definitely encouraged violence (removing his opponents by all means necessary was his objective afterall). The obvious logic is he could have stopped it by openly announcing it rather than let violence continue for several years. Don’t be brainwashed by the CCP’s sanitized history telling.
@@thehumus8688 Western media rarely misses an opportunity to exaggerate dark chapters in the history of Communist countries. It's not "Enemy at the Gates" bad, but it is a misrepresentation of the actual politics of the Cultural Revolution.
this could get the writer into trouble. but netflix didn't seem to care.
This only shows that students at Tsinghua University are willing to reason. China's Cultural Revolution encouraged violence and abuse. During the Cultural Revolution, people even used thermal weapons to shoot at each other, much like a civil war. You know nothing about China's history.
In the book the flicker of universe is not in visible wavelength, but only observable in frequencies. Here they made it flickering to human eyes LOL
Jack is the stand in for Yun tian Ming’s successful businessman friend that gave him enough money to buy Chang Xe a star which comes into play later
Would’ve liked the non linear storytelling, adds flavour imo
Too much of that crap around. It's why I ultimately stopped watching Westworld.
Can’t wait to start watching it after the series wraps up.
I like how they’ve split the key characters from the novel series into the Oxford 5 and makes the adaptation such that I think they can keep these characters in future series. Whereas the books introduce new charatcers for different things since the timescales in it are large. And I love da shis dry humour which is similar to the books
For the adaption to the screen viewer, the VR headset, quoted by the scientist on the shows, is 100 yrs ahead. It's super contradict to the books that the SenTi refused to give tech/knowledge to the cult (quite logical, don't you think?).
In the books, the Senti have very clear agenda to kill all the human. with the power of sophon in the shows, it's easily to wipe human on earth easily just now. IDK, maybe the aliens in the shows would be different.
Even in the books it's more complicated than that. The books talk about how there are different factions on Trisolaris arguing for different plans with what to do with humans, including plans to coexist.
The book is simply mind blowing and one of a kind. I use the TV series as visual images which I think NF has done a good job of.
I was hoping to hear that in the books, "the aliens don't have any desire to kill the wallfacer to send humans that fail instead of utilizing a fraction of a second of Sophon's time to do it" and "there is no turning a ship to mincemeat hoping the hard drive on it would survive" and "some more detailed explanations are given, for example why the aliens haven't killed everyone already, which shouldn't take Sophons more than few minutes, a day tops".
Spoilers so don't read if you don't want to know their nature in the book:
The Sophons were for me the most problematic part of the book in that they're overpowered sometimes but then not really used after they're introduced. A lot like how in comic book movies a villain will use some power in an early fight that totally overwhelms the hero and seems unstoppable but will never use it again the rest of the movie lol.
That said the book series does at least go to some effort to explain their limitations. It's revealed that they're vulnerable to conventional weapons if they unfold themselves on Earth so that's why they don't just unfold and block out the sun or something and their form as a single proton is so small and low mass that even a single cell organism wouldn't notice a physical interaction with them so they can't just shoot through someone and kill them.
Things like hacking computers, crashing planes etc are never carried out by Sophons in the books. They're mostly limited to being a tool for communication/surveillance. The books offer a lot more depth of world building explaining and featuing different ideologies and organisations that form to support the Trisolarans (sorry.. the "San Ti") and for the most part they act as the physical arm of the Trisolarans in advance of their arrival
@@MMOplayeerryeah this part was so absurd, followed then by more and more, that even though i still enjoyed my whole watch, can't give it a good note and consider it a good serie.
Second half of the season certainly have the can’t-wait-to-finish-the-show vibe from GOT’s last 2 seasons. Calm down and tell it right, please.
I can understand both sides. For those who have read through the books, the Netflix version is like an absolutely dummy version. They've oversimplified almost all the plot, and characters also they made the whole story 3 times faster? Which is horrible to present this story.
On the other side, for those who don't have time or are new to the series, the Netflix series is like a doorstep for them to get into this complicated story, so it is a welcomed phase.
But personally, as who has read through the book, the original Chinese books and the English version, I'm not too fond of the Netflix version, probably can only give a 4/10.
An oversimplified and over-twisted dummy version of the original stories.
The Netflix show is a cliff notes version produced by someone who themselves only read a synopsis of major plot points. The overall feel and pace is just wrong… And making Mike Evan’s romantically inclined with Ye shows that they don’t understand the source material.
Well one way to adapt is, is to leave most of the science out and the little bit dumbed down for the mainstream audience...tbh I still like the netflix show, but its just because scifi is rarely done well and with respect to intelligence instead of respect to as many $$ as you can get out of the movie.
I dont get the hate some people hate towards Auggie, ppl say she recovers to fast emotionally but I think its a good take otherwise the caracter would be really boring, as the show. It moves quick with new things coming and I like it.
Hmmmm...I just started but disagree with the central premise. I think the two books show very different sets of characters in very different contexts, and people are too often presuming they are nothing but polemics.
As a fan of the books, the issue is cultural washing and dumbing everything down. They completely erased a lot of the core Chinese cultural and sociopolitical themes and elements that were important to the books. Imagine if someone decided to remake Squid Game but instead of Korea with significant wealth inequalities, they put the setting in a Norway where everybody is unionized, people are all paid decent wages, and have universal healthcare. That just ruins the key messages and themes of the work. And the show assumes American audiences are all clueless and dont understand basic analogies explaining how scientific ideas work.
That's too extreme an example. But if they change the setting to the US or the UK or to any non Scandinavian country, it will work perfectly😂
@@journeysands2622 No, it still won't work well for several of the main characters because they're steeped in East Asian/Korean culture. For example, the MC's best friend got into debt, joined squid game, and then committed suicide because of the shame of getting into a very prestigous school but still failing his family. This extremely high pressure of living up to expectations (especially from someone who went to a pretigous school) is something most people in the USA and UK wouldn't understand very well. In East Asia, people also generally trust well educated/prestigous education people and automatically assume they make better decisions. That is why people in the show trusted the MC's best friend and why they followed him around to let him make decisions.
For a lot of the squid game participants who went into debt, this can be cleared through bankruptcy in the USA or UK, so people in those countries will just wonder why the people in debt don't declare bankruptcy and have their debts cleared. In contrast, Korea doesn't have a dedicated bankruptcy court, personal bankruptcy is convoluted and rarely used, and is is a shameful procedure that creates a lot of bad stigma. People in Korea will work to pay off a big debt, while people in the USA will declare bankruptcy in the same situation as there is less stigma and is an easier process.
@@Intranetusa you've forgotten that there are many cultures in America. Some of them view financial failure as grounds for huge shame. So they would have gone back to continue the squid game after they were first released. Source: numerous conversations with people. I was actually shocked myself that some Americans thought like this. Some were talking about gambling debts or debts to loan sharks etc Bankruptcy court will not help you there lol! So I still think it would work well in an American setting. Not that there should be an American remake cos that will suck just bcos the og is so good
@@journeysands2622 I didn't forget - the UK isn't as diverse as the US, and while the US is diverse, they often aren't represented in the media. There are many cultures in America, but you can bet that Hollywood will likely cast a typical WASP (White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant) in the lead role if this was ever adapted in America. The American media likes to use WASPs as the "default" standard Americans and typecast and stereotype other cultural groups. For example, the vast majority of the media I've seen with Italian ancestry characters have them playing some sort of gangster, mafia, or pizza maker. The East Asian characters plays the smart nerds, kung fu fighter/master, or laundromat/nail shop owner. Black African characters are usually depicted as rappers, gangsters, atheletes, etc.
@@Intranetusa lol. You're right
The book was a richer experience but the show told the story well and the characters where better fleshed out. Liked both.
Who cares? The books are a completely different media, made for a very different audience. All that matters the the end-result of the show is enjoyable, and aligned with the spirit of the story and characters. Personally I think the show succeeded in both of those aspects.
those are some changes, I'm gonna need to watch the joseph quinn's ideas videos
Now I understand why people who read the books hate the show (besides the unecessary wokeness).
Started to watch the Chinese version on Prime. But it was so slow I felt asleep. That show really needs a good editor. 30 episodes is just ridiculous. I prefer the Netflix version even with its changes.
they probably rushed the tencent version out to release before netflix
I wish if they were to adapt a book series that they would not change basic ideas like locations and major characters. they can "update" character personalities without changing continents. the whole point is that they were from a communist point of view that had changed for the better not that they were capitalist that were fixing a communist issue. not that I approve of China but the idea of creating new characters and change of location would totally change his perspective and not have the same outcome.
”not that I approve of China“ You sound like YT is a very dangerous place LOLLLL
My only beef is how much each character is dumb constantly using the f-bomb.
Never read the books but the gender and race swapped characters are boring AF. I am going to read the book now and turn the show off.
Spot on! The original novel (award winning) by Cixin Liu is way better than this Marvel superhero style TV show.
Agree, like Augi's character, it is a misfit and annoying.
Yeah, I watched only two episodes. That's enough for me. It seems like Netflix uses the original story as a canvas on which to paint its boring diversity agenda. For example, I hope the book doesn't have that trite bar scene where the guy asks the women what they do. Its only purpose is to comment on the "patriarchy." A more interesting end to the scene probably never crossed the showrunner's mind. In this video, I see the Saul character asks why he was chosen. It's obvious to me -- he's black.
As a Chinese, I now understand how the French felt when they saw the movie Napoleon.
Lmaoo
说得太贴切了
😂
This is a not a re-creation but a re-imagining . It's still good in my books.
@@wilkinlow they should've put that in the title
You can compare Netflix version with Chinese TV version which was more closely related to the original book.
Did the Chinese version show The Great Leap Forward era?
@@AshtonCoolmanyes, and more real
@@AshtonCoolman it amazing how many people actually believe the lies that China censor history. if China censor history, this book wouldn't exist in the first place to be translated, wouldn't it? the show do censor is death and smoking since they want broadcast right, it a running joke in the show were the cop keep wanting to smoke but is always interrupted... xD I was surprise they got away with showing people get sliced up, but i guess the character was out of focus so the censor didn't mind or caught it.
@@AshtonCoolman It may be different from what some people imagine，the Cultural Revolution is not a completely taboo topic on chinese Internet. The Chinese version’s description of this part of the Cultural Revolution is not as straightforward as the Netflix version, but with more than thirty episodes, there is more time to deepen it. It perfectly explains why Ye Wenjie fell into despair for human civilization
@@AshtonCoolman Will you even understand what’s happening anyway?
Death's end is so mind bending. I hope they end the show the way the book ends.
I hope not. Cheng Xin is the most annoying character. She makes dumb decisions over and over again and gets a pass for it. I hope they keep most everything the same except for her character.
My favorite book to date, I LOVE how they explored the 4th dimension topic and expanded even more on the Dark Forest Theory from the second book. Love how super sci-fi it got.
@@drew284 But that's just reality. Just like how escapism got banned and why light-speed spacecrafts were also banned.
As a fan of the books, I appreciate how the series captures the essence while offering fresh perspectives.
you are kidding ,right?
@@taaareee3570 why?
@@rafaelsomething5880there are haters
I loved the series, this is a complete story in 8 episodes, but it could continue in seasons 2 and 3 and I wish it will happen!
@@taaareee3570 because someone having an opinion unlike our own is unacceptable, right?
Agreed 100%. I was concerned at first, but I quickly realized that the "Oxford 5" were just the main characters from books 2 and 3 introduced a little bit early. Sure, the names and ethnicities are changed, but the characters are essentially the same, and they go through a lot of the same events. The Wallfacer stuff and the Project Staircase stuff in particular is almost 1:1 from the books. Ye Wenjie is almost completely intact from the books.
They put a lot of care and attention to detail when making the tv series.
For the ones that read the books, keep in mind, it’s “Based on” not an “adaptation of”….
Even so, as someone that totally fell in love with the books (and author), I really enjoyed Netflix’s take on this amazing story and looking forward to it continuation.
Completely agree. Especially Saul. I cannot wait for him to turn into the Luo Ji much later.
It was advertised as an adaptation, but this is just a remake not even based on.
Semantics don't make the show good lol
@@sophonblock76 Based on is literally in the opening credits and what is it a remake of? The Chinese adaptation which followed the books more closely? Your argument isn’t making much sense.
@@ShirleyTimple Semantics are definitely needed as the subject is “It’s not following the book exactly (or even mostly 😋).
You, mixing up personal opinion with fact and using it as a counter, is very entertaining on its own lol
If the book had black or latino characters, their race would not be changed. But Asians are fair game...
I think the problem with the series is the oversimplification of characters. Taking Ye Wenjie as example. She and her experience are the highlights of book one. Her desperation, her hope (example when almost dying giving birth to Yang Dong, then saved and kindly treated by the villagers), her regret (for starting the ETO and lost control, just like another mad culture revolution), her redemption (inspiring LuoJi). While now she becomes just a flat character filled with hatred. This book series has so much more to dig, that if they did it justice, it could hit a much higher level rather than now being just average, because they wanted to swallow too much in one go.
What are you talking about? She still gets her redemption by inspiring Saul. And we don't get all the details, but we can see both her hatred and eventual regret.
@@hanslehnardt7230 the problem is, after removing the experience of kindness in her life, that her redemption and regret seems to lack motivation. As a product of that era, Ye’s background colour is desperate and numb ash grey with sparkling of tiny hopes, hatred has faded away from her a long time ago. I just feel that she is really one of the characters that they should devote more time into. And that’s just one aspect I think need improvement
@@hanslehnardt7230 But the reason she inspires Saul is more like a collapse of faith rather than save humanity; in the book Ye Wenjie sees the Trisolaran as a tool to make human society better, but the TV series treats it more like Ye Wenjie believes in a san-ti religion. i don't know which one is better, but for me, I prefer Ye to act like an idealist rather than a religious leader, btw 3 body problem is a good show overalls. But within eight episodes in a season it seems hard to portray a character as complex as Ye Wenjie. In the book, this character is as popular as Thomas Wade. Apparently she didn't get the same treatment as Thomas Wade
💯 agree. The show suffers from oversimplification. Unfortunately that's what the masses demand, they need action and things happening or they will get bored... They don't want to suffer through Ye's backstory so in a way I get what Netflix and the producers are doing... This is what "entertainment" is today - action and shallow humor 🤷♂️
I feel the opposite. In the book only Ye Wenjie and to a less extend TIanmien, are somewhat developed characters, the other ones are just mere tools for an objective. In the series they all got more substance an meaning. Also the book is really glaciar on all the horrible things that happen, no one really reacts emotionally.
With all the adding, cutting, shifting, shuffling, etc. all the characters and events, I think the show is more appropriate to be labeled as "inspired by", not adaptation.
How about the fact that in the show the vr game consol is not a normal consol but an alien technology that “made its way” to earth when nothing could 😂
touche
The worst thing about this is that most people are going to only know THIS story and not the actual best selling story....a fucked up Hollywood toned down piece of shit story. The Chinese series released 2 years ago was leagues above this version.
I hated Netflix depiction how the Universe flickered, they actually went and flickered all the stars what human eye can see in our skies, like it was some lightbulb turning on and off, that is really a dumbed down version. However the tencent chinese version, the flickering of the universe was depicted by measuring cosmic waves fluctuations, that is a much more scientific way of showing it.
Cosmic background microwave radiation, but your point stands.
Every change they made was for the dumb. When all screens showed the bugs message and the sky became a mirror (though with sunshine still going through I guess), I thought, OMG things are gonna go down now. Then in the episode everything is business as usual. If the sophons could do that, I was wondering why not keep doing it?
And then I read the book, and it makes way more sense.
I had to force myself to watch the entire first episode. They trashed the entire story.
The writing really sucks. Give you a fee examples. Vera just kind of floats out of the story dies off screen, barely mentioned, moves on. The 2nd half of the series is driven by sending a capsule to the aliens , and the explanation for it is just walked over and then fails and series ends without any line as to why any of that mattered.
It's GOt season 8 again
they builded expectations and as a plot twist they make it fail.
Thats a good move
Vera was always meant to die. She was built up to make her death more disappointing
i don't know: if you decide to make a movie/series which a big part of is science and physics, then MAYBE, just MAYBE you should hire some physicist (even a second year student would do) so that you don't state a TOTAL NONSENSE EVERY 2nd SENTENCE related to science... I haven't read the books, so no idea if all this nonsense was there or if it is a product of the brilliant minds of D&D....
can you name some examples?
the book is actually fairly well done in terms of “future science.” you should read the books if the show bothers you.
I notice you didn’t provide any examples.
It’s also stupid to hold sci fi to real life scientific standards. If the stuff in sci fi books made total sense then we’d be traveling lightspeed irl.
These unrealistic standards make it clear you don’t have any real criticisms to offer.
You do know that this is science -fiction- right?
@@harate "It's also stupid to hold sci fi to real scientific standards. If the stuff in sci fi books made total sense then we’d be traveling lightspeed irl. " "These unrealistic standards make it clear you don’t have any real criticisms to offer."
wtf are you saying? Like honnestly are you 10 years old? Did you graduate high school? Do you have a working brain?
Honnestly you shouldn't give your opinion, it is so fucking useless and stupid that i am getting mad for no reason...
The books were much better!! The randomness of human thoughts and loneliness is what defined the books for me. The whole journey is lonely, it is hard science fiction not soft. You cant give a five minute monologue instead of 100s of pages of detailed writing. Why are they rushing? Why are all characters friends from the start? Are they the chosen ones? Lisan al Gaib? Not even 1 time jump has happened in the series and yet we have all heroes already. We arent supposed to stick with most characters in the books, they are just there to explore ideas. The books are very long, but the ideas are explored much better there. Rest is as they say, your wish... what you wanna consume. I am just very glad I read the books first, imagination is 100% times better for this sort of stuff, IMO
And China is barely explored here. The chick who calls aliens doesnt even understand her own feelings in the books, that worked so well. Here she had a sudden 180.
D&D had award winning book series as a base for a show and they desided rewrite it into a fan fiction. I am disapointed
The quality of the episodes drops off around 4-5. It feels like it was suddenly directed, edited, and written by a completely different group of people. One scene in particular had insane microphone peaking on one character.
ugh, I knew they were going to take it out of China. That was my biggest reservation to this show. I knew they were going to make it more western.
You missed out the single most important point: the inane and contorted “joke” that Saul is told at the end. That was most avoidable. I does not capture the nuance of the axioms used in the books which are based on game theory and the Fermi paradox: humanity’s need for survival in the backdrop of a chain of suspicion, and technological explosion coupled with a need to expand within a universe with finite resources. Together they form the basis for cosmological sociology and set the groundwork for guessing at the nature of the dark forest. The joke is stupid and contains only one aspect of the problem: if you make yourself known then you will be attacked. Retrofitting it to what later happens in the books is like trying to desperately fit a square peg into a round hole. One must ask the question: why do show runners and wannabe writers think they can write better than an award-winning author?
I think to tell a good adapted story, we need to move away from 8 episodes a season! The least should be 10 and maximum 12 or 13. Packing too much in too few episodes is usually a series killer😢
I know, I know... budget concerns. But still!
I think re-imagining the characters was a good move so there is some continuity and characters to follow throughout the whole story. In the books almost none of the characters except for a handful (Wade, Lou Ji, Ye Wenjie, Cheng Xin, Yun Tianming) are really developed. A lot of characters appear for a bit and then vanish from the story never to be seen again. This would make for very confusing TV
it seems they did just like World war Z
You appear to have never read a remotely decent novel. A story should have a few set established characters it revolves around. This shit series gutted the story so they can have a larger more diverse cast which removed the focus from the actual story itself.
Tldr - the book has important philosophical ideas, big thinking and almost reads like a sci-fi horror unlike any other. The author takes some liberty with fringe science but has put alot of thought into how things might play out like a 'what if' sci-fi scenario and the answers tend to be logical and terrifying.
The TV series is more like a good action sci-fi interspersed with drama. It removes alot of the philosophical aspects and simplifies the hard science. It is a different experience altogether. I would say the TV series simplifies the books alot let's say from a level of 10/10 down to a level of 3/10. This is why book readers feel the show is not good. It also gives it a Hollywood feel which removes a sense of realism the book delivers. This is unfortunately just a safe play on what Netflix viewers want. Big actors big explosions and CGI. It's entertainment for TV and not meant to be fan service anyway.
Takeaway: if you like big ideas, esp sci-fi please read the book first.
If not, the TV show is good enough to explore core concepts from the book.
(but you'll need to pay attention as core concepts are sometimes mentioned or explained very briefly - eg. My wife missed a min of dialogue and completely misinterpreted the rest of the episode. Even the important events happening to important characters sometimes aren't acted out in a scene but just mentioned in dialogue between other characters so it's easy to miss.)
I think if the TV series started of as a thriller mystery, evolving into horror and then the struggle against hopelessness and dread... That would better convey the book. The best style would be that of Hannibal, contact, and Chernobyl series. Maybe a little bit of that xfiles vibe at the start when it was still a mystery before the antagonists were revealed.
I highly recommend reading the books, they are deeper and make more sense. To be honest, the Netflix adaptation of the Three Body Problem seems very simplified to me, with flat characters and atrocious dialogue. Everyone who says it's just a few changes hasn't read the books at all.
Could not put it better
Just saw the first episode without reading the books. Man is the cast so painfully off the mark and dialogue is laughable too.
Read the books when they first became available. I perfer the Chinese Version over the Netflix one.
As tv show I prefer Netflix version，but as the adaptation of the book，I prefer Tencent version.
@@JackChen1of course yoy do. since they make the PRC not an evil government
@@brodull1142Dum**ss😂
@@brodull1142 you realise PRC is not the one veto supporting Israel in committing genocide right? let be real here, China is not the evil government in this world.
@@brodull1142 😅Dum***s
I personally think this movie is made for people like me, and my friends, who can't really understand all the science part. My sister and I, for example, couldn't really understand what happened in Auggie's scene when she shut down the lab, what was nanofiber, etc. We only understood it in episode 5. Maybe it became more difficult since English isn't our mother tongue. But for ppl like us, despite our limited understanding, we enjoyed the plot. I personally looked up for more explanation online and it didn't take away my initial enjoyment of the show.
In my university we have Chinese exchange students and I talked to some of them about this.
They do not like the Netflix version and told me in china they made their own version and it is better
The Chinese version is better. Totally agree. I’m not Chinese and I’ve not read the books, but the Chinese version is deeper, philosophical and intellectual. It’s not perfect, but what is
I'm not Chinese and I watched the Chinese version on TH-cam with English subtitles.
That’s going to be a mixed bag, but if you’re a fan of Scifi/existential horror what’s the harm.
I've read the books with great passion and watched the Chinese version before the Netflix one but I could not finish it, it was super boring. It's very, very litteral and lacks rythm.
@@helenedastana Then you are not a real fan of the books, as the chinese version was 99% true to the book and had more character development than the books even.
I was skeptical about the 3 body problem, but fortunately my daughter recommended it to me. I am a big fan of science fiction, not science fantasy or even worse pure fantasy passed off as Sci-fi. This series impressed me! (Something that has not happened in a very long time.) They did not go light with the science part...when I had to explain the 3 body problem (Newton's problem) and what the WOW signal is, to my wife, that was a good thing. Now I hope that Netflix will continue with the series. I will read the book after that.
This garbage impressed you? All the brilliance of the story was removed and was dumbed down. The Chinese version actually stuck to the award winning novel.
I refuse to watch because D and D will just screw it up like they do everything else. I don't want to be disappointed.
they did screw it up and even with a source material that was already written out, they still screw it up Smh
It’s really annoying that this wasn’t well researched enough to include the fact that Jack is absolutely a character in the books. Tianming has a friend from college that owns the beverage company. Y’all need to watch Quinn’s ideas … the differences between the show in the bucks cannot be pointed out in 13 minutes.
There also is multiplayer mode in the game , what are you talking about ?! my biggest issue with the show is that the cop isn’t playing the game like he is in the book.
Tatiana is shen yufei
Tatiana is not Shen yufei. She’s a made up character who mostly suits the woman who killed pan Han in the book and then later blows herself up.
I liked the adaptation of Tianming into Will, the connection with Jin and Jack's testament. It makes more sense than the book version, which feels very forced.
Both are good. Actually like the show more. My only gripe is how localised all the characters are. Would have preferred to see the story spread across the globe.
The TV series is much better in terms of story telling
Love the show. Its pretty damn accurate to the books all things considered, not a 1-1 direct translation but all the story beats are there. Damn im glad they didnt fuck it up. DnD may be shit at writing completely new stuff (game of thrones late seasons) but they can adapt books pretty damn well.
Sofa king disapointing. How hard was it to not hire writers and just follow the book?
Because most books are not written thinking they are going to be adapted to other media. Adapting this series 1:1 would render a tv show about 900 hours long. Not feasible. Besides I’m sure you can communicate the book’s main plot lines and ideas in much simplified manner. The series was awesome in some areas (science, sociology, scheming) and dreadful in others (dialogues, human interactions, romance). I for one almost stopped reading The Dark Forest thanks to the long, weird, kind of chauvinistic love story between Lou Ji and Yan… so yeah. Adaptations are not bad. This one in particular is not bad at all. Besides, why would you want to have an exact adaptation of anything? You have your own idea built up in your head; cherish that. Enjoy other’s vision and explore other possibilities!
I'm not fond of the Netflix series. I'd read the first book and within minutes watching the series had no idea how the series matched the book. New characters, new subplots, very weak if any character development, etc. I decided early on the forget what I knew about the book and just watch 3BP as a new 'show'. The storytelling pacing is awful.... way too fast. All of the story shortcuts in the series are jarring and don't allow concepts to sink in or have deep relevance, as in the book. And the utter westernization of the show is predictably disrespectful of the original story. Not that I mind some streamlining (book-to-film), but this first season reminded me of season 8 of Game of Thrones... rushed, hitting story marks and often making no sense. Ooof! And whoever the actor playing Auggie is, she needs to go back to acting school (if she ever went to one). Not a credible character actor. My opinions, all. Just mine.
I find it interesting of the alterations Ken Liu made in translations. For example, the title of the 3rd book was translated as "Death's End", but the direct translation of the original title is "God of Death Lives Forever". The meaning is vastly different, and I think the original title fits the story better.
I really wanted this show to be good, but it has like 1 cool scene and then it's all dialogue. It felt too cheeky, group of genius friends and all their drama, and then they make the comfort pot smoking black friend boring as all heck and they try to give him an important role for basically hanging out with his cancer friend. If they have these "super computers" the size of protons that can hack everything, including peoples minds in real time why wouldn't the Asanti just blast every nuke off, nuclear plants malfunction destruction, etc. I know they try to explain it with fiber wire but the "Aluminum" ship scene was kinda funny.
If dont like it. Read the book . Its an adaptation . Hello 😊
So u can say that netflix has rewritten the books. Just like the netflix's queen of Egypt.
I just finished the books and my god this series is freaking awful. I mean absotulety awful. It's the game of thrones stupid crap all over again.
They UK-ified all the chinese characters in the book, except the chinese villains😂
Just the one Chinese villain, actually. The other two Chinese characters are the heroes.
Only if you think she's a villain 🤷🏽♂️😌
@@ameer781 who? I don't think Ye,Wenjie in the original trilogy is a villain, but this Netflix series surely portraits her into a villain
@@nepenthy9804 she's betrayed the same way as a traitor to humanity which in humanities case is a villain however if you side with ETO she's not one in both book and adaption and in both gives humanity the theories needed to save them.
@@ameer781 In the book, her plot was much more sympathetic towards human
It was silly that they picked a chronic weed smoker to be a wallfacer .. allowing him to do anything he wants unquestioned.
He’s picked solely because of the information passed to him and clear indications the Trisolarans are fearful of him
As a bug, I just had to read the trilogy first...then I watched the Netflix series. The books are so much more detailed and demanding, keeping my curiosity at a fever pitch. The screen version changes lots (grrr) and spoon feeds the narrative (but I still liked watched season one).
The description of the original work is far more shocking and reasonable than Netflix series.
As a long time book fan, I loved the show
It does everything I could ever hope for in a tv adaptation❤
i've read the books and as you said there are lots of differences but for the show i liked the adaptation. it was a hard work to do and they've done it. Producers did well. Second season will be much much harder imo. i hope they can complete it.
Let me guess, you´re the one who loves Games of Thrones Season 8 too, lol.
@@Film_Sushi i didnt watch game of thrones at all (:
I loved the series not familiar with the books, Because i am a Bug.
Both and no, I don't think it's trash. Because unlike the wheel of time the people involved did everything they could to make it as truly the book is possible. The main problem people don't get is transferring a book or books onto TV and to hook an audience and hasn't read it. You can't be as cold and unattached to characters. To make up for the lack of narration and knowing what's going on before the characters do as you do. You read, they have to bring it parts of the storyline from the next book or the third for it to make sense cuz you don't have the all-knowing viewpoint of a reader
Overly simplified, much of the BIG suspense is missing (or suppressed). I've seen the Chinese TV series and it's superior in every way As a fan of the books, the Netflix adaptation is less than acceptable...watchable, but not satisfying.
What is it called the Chinese TV series?
@@amelashahini3101三体
First 3 episodes of the show were promising, but then deteriorated into a hum-drum drama thereafter
I've read the first book and watched the show. I do like the show brought in additional characters in the show. Making the show true to the book with only 2 people would not have made for a very good show in my opinion. I really didn't like jumping all over in the timeline in the book, i think the linear in order way works much better. The additions Netflix has added is what makes the show more entertaining for me.
I read the OG chinese version. The author struggled with storytelling and character development until the third book. Considering it was his debut work, I can forgive this, especially since his strength lies in explaining physics, which I love. Although Netflix excelled in storytelling, but fell short in explaining most of the concepts behind alien technology, which the book delves into with great detail.
Fair take. I miss that physics stuff too, but I can accept that the average viewer would want no part. Curious how they will handle the 4th dimensional scenes. 😆
It wasn't his debut work, and the characters + storytelling was much better than Netflix.
Is it possible Cixin Liu wrote the story from a Chinese point view, so that cultural difference is playing a role here? If so, maybe it is a good chance to learn from it and enjoy. People cannot assume all fictions or literatures must follow the same pattern that westerners are familiar with.
@@aroonsubway2079 he absolutely wrote it from a Chinese cultural view. There are parts in the books where characters have conversations that, they just don't feel normal from an American perspective. It's pretty interesting as a reader from the states to enhabit that space, I thought. For a studio though, it would be a gamble. Even if they used a more Asian cast, it would be with western dialog.
cannot agree more.
LOVE IT - so Netflix had bloody better continue!
The fact that the show barely touched on the human computer, omitted the formation of the moon and the creation of the Sophons is just bizarre. These were incredibly cinematic moments that I assume were left out because the creators thought the audience was “too dumb”.
One more thing ... go and read the books or watch the chinese version ...
Rooney such an awesome addition. The only 1 of the Oxford 5 to drop-out but is nonetheless successful. Probably the happiest one too.
He is the deadest
@@bobhawke7373 careful with the spoilers. Appreciate if you could withdraw that response.
@@G1Arduo
He dies early as.
Read the books. Watched 3 body on prime. 13:02 . That series from china followed the books. I can’t get into this version. This version seems more enjoyable to those who haven’t read the books.
As currently China has issues with espionage, cyber attacks and mass spying It’s hard to swallow a Chinese military leader as 1 of 3. Also the space effort without either Russia, or NASA/ JPL makes it a hard swallow. I was hoping that risking Cho would stay. Her character was refreshing and strong.
Personally as someone who didn't know about the original book, I really like the way how they changed and directed it. It was a lot of fun to watch and some characters were entertaining. Only downside for me was the last episode that had almost no story or meaning at all. I understand that they should keep story for the other seasons but it felt quite pointless.
To me it seems they really only made three significant changes but that did cause some ripple effects: i) they "UKified" the characters and location, ii) reorganised the story so it's mostly chronological and iii) made some minor changes to help the audience with some of the physics and political explanations. Better than a lot of book adaptations and in some ways a definite improvement for a wider audience.
They should have also replaced Ye Wenjie with some "UKified" character to be consistent.
Dafuq is "UKified"
Not a lot of choice given how rights and law in China could certainly derail the story. Especially how China was portrayed in the beginning.
@@Lesdrasill What do you mean? The cultural revolution scene is how it is depicted in the english translation book. From what I gathered it was also true to history. Intellectuals were abused and shamed in the Cultural revolution.
@@Lesdrasill the reality is racism still exist in netflix and US.
I see you, Samwell Tarly!!