I appreciate the candor of the interview. Recruitment aside, the fact remains that non-public school teams and their athletes can enjoy advantages including coaching and training resources that are not available to most public school athletes. Add to that the disparity of non-public schools’ access to wider player pools v. public schools who can only enroll students and field their sports teams from the district’s limited geographic boundaries. As the one non-public coach was quoted- they don’t have to recruit because the talented athletes find them- public schools have no such advantage. Regarding reclassification- the fact that Section X may have chosen not to elevate a historically successful, non-public team to a higher Class is of no consolation to a public team from Section Y who has no influence over the decision, yet loses a State Championship to the non-public team. It is understandable when there are hard feelings on the issue. NYS has many so outstanding HS sports teams, public and non-public, to be proud of. But to pin blame on decisions made 50 years prior, when the HS sports landscape looked very different, and cite potential litigation as the reason not to consider changes, is a disservice to all NYSPHSAA athletes.
Another thing is when I was in HS, I played Football in a league with Syracuse’s Fowler High, Solvay, CBA, Marcellus, Cazenovia(2 out of the 3 years), Phoenix, Mexico and Jordan-Elbridge(1 year). While those schools were in the same Football league(OHSL Central/Class B, I believe, for Sectional play), in other sports Fowler and CBA was in the OHSL Metro and played in Class B, while the other schools were Class C in other sports(CBA did drop to Class C in some other sports). So, there was a time when Football leagues had schools in multiple classes and those leagues were used to see who goes to the Sectional playoffs(top 2 teams made the 4 team playoff with the top 2 Tri Valley League teams for Class B).
Also, sections were actually stronger as recent as 30 or so years ago. I remember when I was in HS, there wasn’t a set state championship playoff in the state. That didn’t come until 1993. So, that also comes into play with some private schools in the Sections/NYSPHSAA.
Furthermore, it is not my job to bring NYSPHSSA evidence of recruitment. That’s YOUR job to run your organization with integrity and equity. and DONT WORRY. Those private schoold ARE able to celebrate and DO.
Regarding footballl, I understand why the Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, etc. play in their respective public sections - they're more often than not the only parcohial/private school in their area - they'd have no games. Permit them to play a public regular season schedule and then feed them into their respective parochial or private tournaments. For all other sports, you play in the Class at double your beds. Also, please get a New Yorker in this role. 'Grandiose' ideas, LOL. It wasn't 'grandiose' for any other state that does the right thing and does this successfully. We need a New Yorker who doesn't piss down his leg at the prospect of litgation.
This is a non answer. Just because they became members decades ago, you allow them to RECRUIT and in essence, cheat? And don’t patronize us, we know what’s what here.
Robert clearly misses the point and does not have a backbone. Clearly doesn’t have his hand on the pulse. Fella says because they were included years ago so the state would possibly face lawsuits. There will always be litigation, you work for the public schools. Your answer to the question that the non public schools goes way back and were part of the association before so they should remain part of it is complete BS. It’s not your responsibility to come up with a league for non public schools to play in. The fact is, it’s a disservice to public school student athletes who compete for NYSPHSAA championships to compete against non public schools. Go back and look at the history of your championships and see the numbers. How many times has a non public school beaten a public school in the playoffs? The comparison percentage has to be extremely high. Our student athletes deserve better. Perhaps then, you’ll see some of those teams in the Federation Tournament.
Not always, as there are times where the private schools has lost to the public schools. This occurred in the Section 3 Class C Championship between Bishop Ludden-Syracuse Academy of Science charter/General Brown. General Brown beat them this year. There are other examples. So, it isn’t automatic in terms of private schools beating public schools. They could also get rid of the Public part of NYSPHSAA as well.
I appreciate the candor of the interview. Recruitment aside, the fact remains that non-public school teams and their athletes can enjoy advantages including coaching and training resources that are not available to most public school athletes. Add to that the disparity of non-public schools’ access to wider player pools v. public schools who can only enroll students and field their sports teams from the district’s limited geographic boundaries. As the one non-public coach was quoted- they don’t have to recruit because the talented athletes find them- public schools have no such advantage.
Regarding reclassification- the fact that Section X may have chosen not to elevate a historically successful, non-public team to a higher Class is of no consolation to a public team from Section Y who has no influence over the decision, yet loses a State Championship to the non-public team. It is understandable when there are hard feelings on the issue.
NYS has many so outstanding HS sports teams, public and non-public, to be proud of. But to pin blame on decisions made 50 years prior, when the HS sports landscape looked very different, and cite potential litigation as the reason not to consider changes, is a disservice to all NYSPHSAA athletes.
Another thing is when I was in HS, I played Football in a league with Syracuse’s Fowler High, Solvay, CBA, Marcellus, Cazenovia(2 out of the 3 years), Phoenix, Mexico and Jordan-Elbridge(1 year). While those schools were in the same Football league(OHSL Central/Class B, I believe, for Sectional play), in other sports Fowler and CBA was in the OHSL Metro and played in Class B, while the other schools were Class C in other sports(CBA did drop to Class C in some other sports). So, there was a time when Football leagues had schools in multiple classes and those leagues were used to see who goes to the Sectional playoffs(top 2 teams made the 4 team playoff with the top 2 Tri Valley League teams for Class B).
Also, sections were actually stronger as recent as 30 or so years ago. I remember when I was in HS, there wasn’t a set state championship playoff in the state. That didn’t come until 1993. So, that also comes into play with some private schools in the Sections/NYSPHSAA.
Furthermore, it is not my job to bring NYSPHSSA evidence of recruitment. That’s YOUR job to run your organization with integrity and equity. and DONT WORRY. Those private schoold ARE able to celebrate and DO.
Regarding footballl, I understand why the Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, etc. play in their respective public sections - they're more often than not the only parcohial/private school in their area - they'd have no games. Permit them to play a public regular season schedule and then feed them into their respective parochial or private tournaments. For all other sports, you play in the Class at double your beds.
Also, please get a New Yorker in this role. 'Grandiose' ideas, LOL. It wasn't 'grandiose' for any other state that does the right thing and does this successfully. We need a New Yorker who doesn't piss down his leg at the prospect of litgation.
I agree that they could include those Catholic schools in their Catholic school playoffs. It may be a bit tricky, but something could be worked out.
That guy will never change anything. He is a go along to get along kind of guy. He needs to be removed.
This is a non answer. Just because they became members decades ago, you allow them to RECRUIT and in essence, cheat? And don’t patronize us, we know what’s what here.
Robert clearly misses the point and does not have a backbone. Clearly doesn’t have his hand on the pulse. Fella says because they were included years ago so the state would possibly face lawsuits. There will always be litigation, you work for the public schools. Your answer to the question that the non public schools goes way back and were part of the association before so they should remain part of it is complete BS. It’s not your responsibility to come up with a league for non public schools to play in. The fact is, it’s a disservice to public school student athletes who compete for NYSPHSAA championships to compete against non public schools. Go back and look at the history of your championships and see the numbers. How many times has a non public school beaten a public school in the playoffs? The comparison percentage has to be extremely high.
Our student athletes deserve better. Perhaps then, you’ll see some of those teams in the Federation Tournament.
Not always, as there are times where the private schools has lost to the public schools. This occurred in the Section 3 Class C Championship between Bishop Ludden-Syracuse Academy of Science charter/General Brown. General Brown beat them this year. There are other examples. So, it isn’t automatic in terms of private schools beating public schools.
They could also get rid of the Public part of NYSPHSAA as well.