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I have lost count of the number of times I have been called a 'commie'. I'm fairly confident that I am not one, however.
Only a true communist would deny his pinkhood.
@@Raven.flight One would think it’s redhood but ok
@@Isaac-LizardKing only if you don’t understand the reference
@@Raven.flight Perhaps you could indulge me?
@@Isaac-LizardKing aired
My profoundly Christian mother told me, "Question everything, including what I tell you. Truth has nothing to fear from questions and lies should not be protected from them." My father taught me to try arguing against things I passionately agree with, so I can see the other side. Both taught me to use my mind.
Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I disagree, but you always make me think and I like to think.
I feel like most get raised the exact opposite way...
@@gabemerritt3139 some parents are actually wholesome and they bring up great children.
@@Isaac-LizardKing I feel like those things are not mutually exclusive. You can be scientifically illiterate and religiously indoctrinated, while still being wholesome and raising good children. I'm obviously a bit biased, but I think my parents did a good job raising me despite my above statement. They simply did all that they thought was best for me.
@@gabemerritt3139 I mean, i said something extremely vague about something extremely complex. I know nothing about raising children.
Unfortunately, I've met many Christians who *say* question everything, but where "question" to them means "pray about it", not actually "investigate and use logic". Religion seems to have a magic forcefield around it keeping people from looking at it the way they do other things -- people interested in economics and statistics, and such, yet somehow never apply Bayes' Rule to any of their own beliefs, for example.
I put a line through this video as I agree with it.
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shlibber
Best post in thread!
The best feeling for me is when two TH-camrs I'm subscribed to disagree with each other, that's proof enough to me that I'm not echo-chambering myself.
I remember watching one TH-camr I liked end up making this massive response slandering another I watch. That was an interesting one.
+CowLunch ur talking about matt easton arent u?
I agree 100%. I woukd hope, they are not a little bitch about it though.
I was exposed to three very good channels through this one.
ThegnThrand: I think he was mentioned on this channel in regards to throwing weapons.
Military History Visualised: The whole Spandau Vs Bren gun 'controversy'
Metatron: on a video about Oriental script and alphabet.
You'll notice two things about all these channels one is that Loyd has a healthy professional relationship with them, they did reply videos to him but there was no flamewar and two they are on three completely different topics. Lindybige is a toe dipper channel
I have never seen any youtuber who agrees with me on everything, there is always something, nor do I remember having ever watched 2 of my youtubers fully agreeing with each other.
I don't agree with Lloyd on everything in fact I disagree with him quite a lot, so why sub? Because he's great and makes me think about my own world view from a different perspective. Just a reiteration of his point really.
He generally presents his reasons for what he thinks and doesn't insult people who disagree for their own reasons. That is all I ask from anyone.
i tend to agree with him on most things. he is a very smart guys and know quite a bit more then i do on alot of things. But the chief thing i dont agree with him on, is his atheistic and and non beleiver apporoach on anything magical mystical or divine. a little too materialistic for me . at times.
He does not insulte me is the main thing for me. I only watch smart people so for me to unsub from a good chanel it needs to insult me. You are allowed to disagree with me but not insult me (I will take as an insult you with religios zeal saying Im wrong, you are allowed to disagree with me and stay scilent to unless you outright openly agree with my I will never give your chanel money).
I disagree!
@@cuchulain55 I think he should listen to Robert Sepehr who's an anthropologist. Even as an atheist I now look at the Bible as Moore of a historical document than I ever thought. For example, the great flood really did tale place. Every culture has a flood myth. They know a meteor likely hit the earth and caused a great flood.
Your subscribers are well rounded, just like your shirt collars.
"I think this is sub optimal"
Wow he is pissed
Usually when you state an opinion I disagree with (which happens really rarely), I still give your video an upvote and am happy for this new take on things. Those are actually the videos I enjoy the most.
I really really hate the fact that so many people vehemently mash the downvote button only because they disagree with something. That's not what it should be there for.
I couldn't agree more with this video, though, I just wish more people would think like that.
I'd like to know if your stance has changed. While I've found Lloyd to be incredibly interesting, there are definitely things I disagree with him, but I wonder if the current state of things has made it more or less vitriolic inasmuch as do you actually watch a whole video now before passing your like/dislike judgment? For posterity, I really don't, sometimes.
@@goatish1395 Yeah. I’ve left a few dislikes on Lloyd’s videos not usually because they argue something from a different stance than my own, but contain gross oversimplifications or are simply untrue (ehem, the ice caps melting one). Essentially I dislike when it’s Lloyd trying to argue an opinion that is baseless or convoluted, not for the opinion itself
You make the assumption that people want to broaden their horizons instead of just making themselves feel good about the opinion that they hold as absolute fact.
That is brilliant.
Mmm, Americans in a nutshell.
Every segment of society has people who couldn't honestly understand an alternative point of view to save their lives. There are unfortunately too many who are not willing to even attempt the task.
Sad. You really think you're justified in mischaracterizing 300,000,000 people like that? So many people, so many different outlooks and opinions. Nutshells. What a load of crap.
Holding an opinion as fact... Where do I start attacking that..? So many choices.
As a fundamentalist Christian myself, I really appreciate this approach. The way to become strong in your beliefs is not to isolate yourself from any dissent, but rather to address it. I have watched many of your videos, but I subscribed because of this one. Keep it up, and may we both agree and disagree reasonably for years to come!
Are you still a fundamentalist christian?
@@Derperfier No, unless Catholics count. The change hasn't altered my attitude toward Lloyd expressed above however.
@@peripheralarbor alot of christians, especially ones that would consider themselves fundamentalist would call say Catholicism isn't even Christianity
@@slaytanicsabbath Checkmate Atheists! That's how this works, right?
And today I have found a man for whom I have respect.
I find it funny that someone who seems to have widely different specific beliefs to me holds so many shared core values.
Aermachrael I've found to have acquired a great respect for Lloyd also. Fortunately or unfortunately, I seem to agree with him on most things.
You sir hit the very core of being philosopher and practicing of argument based discussion.
I subscribed just now because of your excellent, informative and witty weapons vids.
This just confirms the wisdom of that choice.
Nice one mate.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK YOU.
YOU ARE THE FIRST TH-camR THAT i HAVE SEEN IN OVER 200 SUBS AND 3YRS OF WATCHING TH-cam OVER TV TO ENCOURAGE DISAGREEMENT.
I'm sorry to say that I have to agree with you on this point. No gain for either of us there.
I couldn't disagree more ! ( am I doing this right ? )
No, you are most definitely *not* doing it right.
I think he is doing it right
I disagree, he is going back on his comment asking if he is right!
He is unsure and thus may not disagree!
Wait, oh bother i'm confused.
True, you can never really grow if you are always safe.
I agree, it's better to be exposed to as many ideas as possible,.
I think to a degree. For one, your time exposed to something completely worthless is time wasted. One may argue there is no such thing as time wasted on ideas because you can learn from all of them. I'd think spending 30 minutes on videos pertaining to a flat earth is already enough. I don't need to then see what ideas they have based that idea on as I have already deemed it ludicrous. I could say it was 30 minutes well spent because now I know it isn't something I want to treat seriously and won't waste more time. But those who are believers will say I haven't done enough research, that I only scratched the surface, and of course I wouldn't be convinced after 30 minutes, "who would?" they'd say. I think it is like being presented with five glasses of water and knowing one of them is poisoned and someone telling you the glass that has poison in it. You are thirsty and you say that to balance out the water levels you should drink from all five. I'd just dump out the poison one, which seems obvious. But when it comes to the information we absorb we are told to do similar. "Expose yourself to as many ideas as possible, even though some of them may be poisonous to your mind." That isn't a knock on you, just happened to be exactly what you said.
Am I a fool if I agree with you in thinking that it is good to disagree and broaden your horizons?
+Mike Hawk Or the crib of the newborn...
***** It's more like a regular 'progressive' thing than anything.
Those fucks just can't stop defending pedophiles.
Why am I subscribed to you
Dunno
Theo Birkholz
Because you like controversy?
No? Didn't think so.
Lindybeige is my new favorite channel, much love from Estonia.
What’s funny is my whole family are Christian and I was raised in church and was home schooled.
But I studied a ton of philosophy, science, and worldviews on the Internet.
I’ve had more than one DeCarte-level moment of complete existential doubt- including about ‘Christian stuff.’
I disagree with you about religion, and I think I’ve heard a thing or two from you I haven’t necessarily agreed with, but I love how you like to “listen and disagree.”
That is how I have real faith, how I have real opinions.
I’ve seen the alternatives and have found what I believe, and it seems you have too.
When that happens, real discussion and commentary can happen.
Yes! Although I do not consider myself a Christian, I think one of the best things you can do (with any belief, not just religious beliefs) is to have a claim, and then set about trying to ruin and debunk it. If you walk out the other side of your self-imposed gauntlet still steadfast on some of your beliefs, but skeptical about others, you have then proven yourself worthy of having your opinion. Stubbornness is taking a stance and standing by it until the end without question. Maturity is understanding the reason why you have your stance. Once you know why you believe the things you do, you can stand by them with renewed vigor because you know them as true to your heart. They say god tests people in strange ways, but the biggest test of all comes from yourself. Once you scrape your way to your core, you can allow God's light to shine from your heart. God is in you. But sometimes you have to doubt him to find him.
Florbengorben exactly.
And it’s ok to be unsure.
“I don’t know” and “well I wonder if it is like this...” are infinitely better than “I know for a fact this is exactly how it is!”
I’ll say it, I believe in creationism, tentatively.
I know the common model used by scientists and have what I’d consider a slightly better understanding than the average Joe- certainly better than most of the “evolution debunkers”- but I also know professionals who study it know more about it than I do.
God isn’t going to stand at the gates of heaven and say, “did I do it in 7 days? Your answer determines if I let you in”, so I really have no fear regarding it.
And while I favor a more literal interpretation of the Bible I’m aware that it requires some faith to believe it vs the scientific model.
I’m ok with not being 100% certain, and I continue to learn as much as I can about whatever I can, whether philosophy, science, history, etc...
@@Jessie_Helms uncertainty and hipocrisy are signs of a changing worldview. A changing worldview is a good thing. Personally, I've made up my mind about my not believing in a higher power, at least not one that would be in touch with or even interested in human affairs, but I don't try to put down those that do. That said, it's always good to try to challenge people's worldviews, even if it means sometimes playing devil's advocate, because as I said, a return through a gauntlet of skepticism leaves your personal truths clear of waste. I wish you luck and good will in all of your future wanderings, in the hope you find your chosen path.
As long as it's not the format for this video onwards.
I enjoy this channel and it generally puts a smile on my face.
I watched your Holocaust video about a month ago (and commented on it, producing a small thread of discussion), but I only just saw this video. I'd like to respond:
I agree with you here. Absolutely. Whilst I disagreed with you on the Holocaust video, your points were well made, well thought out, and well delivered. There was absolutely no hint of anti-semitism or racism involved. I obviously kept my subscription and I intend to do so.
I also happen to disagree with you on climate change, but I obviously have not unsubscribed, and I do not intend to do so.
Your videos are really refreshing, as are your points of view. You are obviously somebody who relishes debate and intellectual thought and discussion. Many of my favorite writers had very different views on certain subjects than I do, and I still love to read them and see what they say.
So, thank you for your videos, and keep them coming.
An art teacher of mine once told me I should question everything. I asked "why should I?"
Which is of course the correct answer
Thuis guy shanched my point of view of so many things, this guy is amazing.
also, love the like dislike ratio
I am Christian and have worked in many "non Christian" places, I suppose ive been unprotected, since I expose myself to new ideas about life or religion. you can believe in something without agreement to what this wonderful person is saying. disagreement does not determan what you beleive. I love this channel because of his ideas, disagree ment is important to identify yourself and come up with your own ideas.
I hardly remember ever disagreeing to something you said.
I'm unsubscribing now :P
that is the only rational response
wow, that's a sound logic
Umn, not really. I watch him because If I disagree sometimes, he often explains so well that I have no objections and I must agree from then on.
Brian Holdren: Russell’s Paradox?
I think the " :p " was a give away.
If you wish us to disagree, why are you so compellingly genuine? 🤣 A most noble state of mind 👏👏👏🤝
I'm a fundamentalist Christian and I'm still subscribed to you.
you are the last of a dying breed, my friend.
Kris Douglass That was completely unnecessary, and untrue. Non institutional Christianity is growing in the US, and former orthodox Christians are taking a turn for the fundamentalist. You should read "bad religion" by Ross Douthat
Kris Douglass
Not really, I am also a fundamentalist christian a a subscriber. Also christians are exposed to their antithesis all the time, you can hardly go on tv or the internet without being exposed to anti-christian beliefs.
Luis Rey
how 'bout that gay marriage thing
how 'bout that shellfish thing
how 'bout that adultery thing
how 'bout that sodomy thing
Kris Douglass
Gay marriage, I am against, adultery and sodomy also both sins. shellfish- that depends on the doctrine you follow- I follow a doctrine that permits eating of shellfish while still seeing homosexuality, odomy and adultary as sinful. You disagree? That's fine, that does not make me belielie that my way of thinking is wrong only that you are misguided.
You must be open to things you disagree with because one must know his enemy, but you must share what you agree with to build a comuinty.
Bang on comrade!
I for one am glad to be a member of your subscribershiphooddom.
Subscribed - after seeing a handful of videos - because of this video.
Is this paradoxical?
"...and I think this is suboptimal."
This word choice is one reason we love you, Lloyd. ^_^
Bonus points: "Subscriber...-ship... -hood... -dom."
A good approach to life. Live outside of your comfort-zone!
You can turn that customization of search results off in the settings
What happens if I agree with the majority of your opinions? Should I unsubscribe? Am I doing it wrong?
+Deltasword If you learn from the new videos, just don't keep the old videos.
"It's vital that we expose ourselves to ideas to which we disagree." -Lindybeige
Truth
Out of curiosity, did he ever upload the 'controversial' topic video he was talking about? I am rather intrigued as to what it was about since I'm watching this over two years after it came out. Thanks :)
I think it might be Don't Call Terrorists Evil
I'm a tolerant Christian who keeps his ounce of doubt and on the subject matter of this video I say ... very good points! I have been visiting your channel for more than a year by now without feeling the need to subscribe. But on the virtue of this video I hereby subscribe.
Isn't life full of surprises? ;)
It is absolutely impossible for a fundamentalist christian in USA not to be exposed to opposite views. There is this thing called TV and mainstream culture.
Now if your views align with what is norm in media and at the university you can actually spend your entire life being a progressive and never realize there are other points of view.
bs tlc has bought most scientific and nature channels and they definitely have a christian and supernatural bias
+Zackery Paw Your still exposed to plenty of other views. To say otherwise. is simply trolling.
People keep repeating this talking point about a progressive (liberal) bias in the mainstream media. The funny thing about this is, it seems like everyone who repeats this talking point must think that they are able to think freely while everyone else is a robot, unable to hold any viewpoint independent of whatever is "mainstream." Allow me to agree slightly, with a big caveat: the reality is that the mainstream "media" or whatever you want to call it, has a status quo bias, and if you can't see that the two major political factions in America are more similar than they are different, you aren't as freethinking as you think you are. The fact of the matter is that every person holds a unique view, so unless you never talk to anyone and only watch TV, you will get exposed to different points of view. Not everyone defines their self in terms of labels which denote political leanings.
MarcinP2
I agree. Lloyd is just wrong about that. It'd be very hard for what he is descrbing to happen.
MarcinP2 and Chrisrus1965
Don't be so sure about the impossibility when it comes to children. I live in the American South and had a neighbor who was a Fundamentalist (Southern Baptist) minister.
He and his wife homeschooled their children and did not allow thdm to interact with other children unsupervised.
The cult mentality is strong in many parts of the USA.
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"WE MUST THINK FOR OURSELVES"
I agree, but I clicked "dislike" to keep you happy........
James Paulsen So did I!
I just took it one step further.
André Bartels How so bud?
@@apigeonunapaloma6379 I disliked James Paulsen ;)
André Bartels OMG man I love you! I did the same thing! 😍😘😍😘😍
Good stuff. Found you and subscribed because of your historical war-game videos, but I must say, your political videos, (watched the one on immigration the other day,) are spot on. When it comes to confirming my biases, you're the man.
"Get raised in a Fundamentalist Christian Nursery, to go to a fundamentalist christian school, then go to a fundamentalist christian university, graduate to work in a fundamentalist christian workplace, to live in a fundamentalist christian neighborhood without ever being exposed to any different ideas."
I would say the shoe's on the other foot. I see the vast majority of schools and universities teaching a purely secular curriculum whilst scouring every trace of (Christian) religiosity from the public sphere. They have the same devotion for keeping out any books contrary to Global Warming.
Go to UC Berkley, declare yourself a white, christian conservative...... And prepare for hell.
Because they teach facts, not "How many ideas can we squeeze into every childs mind, regardless of if it's truth or not." Why confuse and misguide children when you can tell them what we know to be true instead?
Ideataster
Who's to say what's misguided or true? In N. Korea, Communism and adoration of the Great Leader is true to the exclusion of everything else. There's a line between freedom of ideas and censorship. And in the American Universities of today, it's become the latter.
Not sure which college you went to but mine had plenty of religion-base courses, such as those pertaining to philosophy and history. The great part about those classes was that you could choose whether or not to take them, as it should be. The reason religious teachings are not a core part of education is because there are so many different, conflicting religions, none of which are backed by evidence.
+Ideataster No they are not teaching facts. Most liberal schools have embraced the leftists propaganda, teaching techniques. All the focus on is social justice agendas. Kids are coming out of college without the basic knowledge to succeed. With worthless degrees.
Not an Ivy leage or big 10 school left that I would send a kid to.
The socialist left has full control over most of the education system. And they have done a wonderful job in dumbing down, and pussifing our young. Putting more efforts into teaching guilt, than how to face reality. Preparing them to be followers, instead of leaders.
Hi, American here. I grew up in a Christian home, went to a Christian school, and almost all of my family wound up either going to Seattle Bible College or Seattle Pacific University (Christian). It's very possible to do all that.
I'm still trying to find a video of yours I disagree with, damn it! You're just so ruthlessly logical and pragmatically sensible I can't fathom ever finding one, but I will keep looking.
How can you even try to reason with insanity. Seriously.
This video was ahead of its time
Sorry, can't disagree when what you say makes so much sense.
Avoid echo chambers at all costs! Sure-fire way to get entrenched in cognitive bias!
Its always a joy to listen to your videos, even when you get it wrong :) Many thanx!
I am one of those "fundamentalist Christians" I believe the Bible to be inerent, I believe that Jesus was raised from the dead, that he is God and that the ultimate purpose of man of man is to glorify God and we all fail miserably at that. I would wonder what your definition of fundamentalist Christian is? I know there is a difference in meaning to an extant, on the other side of the pond. However I would argue it is very difficult to be only exposed to fundamental Christian ideas in this day and age in America. I think being exposed to different view points is great. The problem is over time you learn to refute those viewpoints so you think to yourself "why would I want to hear that again?"
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am bombarded daily, even hourly, by things I don't agree with. Television and movies teach to do all manor of things, that I don't do. I don't need some other group to teach me I am wrong, bound to Hell, and must change. I must tell you how much I enjoy your work. I have learned so much from you...
I wish I could disagree your opinion on this but, I'm afraid I can't. I know that makes me less interesting. I suppose I shall have to live with that. :D
By the way that is the first time I've heard the phrase, 'Google Narrowing'. I intend to use that.
The more popular and less descriptive term is "the bubble"
this video just got a subscription
Since I pretty much agree with the stuff you say... I should unsubscribe? Catch 22.
You're a great person. After watching this I realised I've, for example, never actually visited a church below the age of 10 or so. I think I'll visit a church sometime soon just to actually consciously experience it, and just trying to interact with more new ideas ^^
Use incognito mode
"Why might you unsubscribe?"
Because I had not seen 'Social mobility' video yet : )
Does anyone know what this "controversial" video was that he's talking about?
I was wondering that as well.
Begad Lastname
Oh yeah, of course xD
Begad Lastname Did he upload it? What's the title?
The title of the video is Social Mobility, he said it in the video.
+Nazi Doge He mentioned that he saw a bunch of viewers unsubscribe after the "social mobility," video but he doesn't mention the name of the video in question, the one that he hasn't uploaded before the posting of this video.
For a guy on the internet, I respect you hugely. While I don't agree with all your opinions, it is nice to have a calm and reasoned place in which we can debate, particularly in this uncivilised time. Hats off to you Sir, as one of the last true English gentlemen.
It's just confirmation bias. People unconsciously cross out information they don't agree with.
No you're wrong confirmation bias is when you don't get the other information, not when you just disagree with it
This points to an important aspect of life I've only recently come fully to appreciate. I used to consider myself extremely open to discussion and making my own mind up after synthesising the available facts. I now see that in respect to religion I was quite unwilling to face my own deeper feelings and shunned outright the ideas of the religious, seeing only the negative in them. I was an atheist for about 27 years. And in case you think this is heading toward a cliche, no, I'm not Christian, and Jesus didn't come to me in a dream. I simply did the reading and the thinking, and now I no longer describe myself as an atheist. Very much like your fundamentalist Christian, I was brought up in a completely irreligious family and then studied a science subject (ecology) amongst people who had no time for any religious or spiritual ideals. To be blunt, I considered religion to be the root of all evil. It was only after studying what sophisticated theologians actually believe that I came to respect some aspects of Christianity and other faiths. Essentially, I believe what I've always believed, but I no longer disallow the possibility of an original creative principle through which everything works and proliferates.
There isn't a single person who hasn't been exposed to atheist ideas at some point especially with the rise of the Internet and thus I disagree.
I think that's a very narrow assumption.
maybe in the US although I would wager that there are still a few who haven't but in a lot of the world the majority of people have never heard about atheist ideas
+Harrison D What exactly is an atheist idea? The only one I know is that you don't think there's such thing as a deity, which is more a lack of idea than an idea itself.
+Louis Mustin there's no such thing as a lack of an idea. And yes I was referring to the idea of no God or afterlife.
Harrison D Yes there is. For example, there not being flying pigs is not an idea, it is the lack of the idea of flying pigs. If you don't think there are flying pigs, that's not an idea. Rather, you reject the idea that there are flying pigs.
An idea requires a thinker to come up with it. No one dreamed up the concept of there not being flying pigs. Likewise, who came up with the 'atheist idea'?
The real crime is putting the word Fun in fundamentals .. because anything fundamental is absolutely not!
God, I hated your outside use of torches video. I don't think I have seen something more offensive in my life. Thank you at least for warning me. Unsubscribed
Found the Lifehacker link, but when I followed the instructions, the screens I saw were different, and there was no option offered to turn off personal results.
Again an idea that was thought of 8 years ago and would be greatly useful today.
I agree with everything you said other than throwing away things that you already agree with. Sometimes people can take something you already agree with and make a point of it you never thought of before. It's important that in striving to find the best "truth" that as well as being able to hear others truths. We are able to adequately explain our own.
Another reader of the week! I'd highly recommend it to most!
I'd watched a ton of your videos in the past but this video was the one that made me pull the trigger and actually subscribe.
I have watched probably 100 hours of your content since I discovered your channel a cupple of months ago and this video very well might be my favorite. I flatly don't agree with every opinion you have, but it is always interesting to hear them none the less. Love the channel :)
I'm a Roman Catholic and I still subscribe to you and find your videos excellent. You're weapons about medieval/ancient archaeology are excellent and informative, your rants are amusing and compelling, and your videos about roleplaying, Crossfire and what-have-you are all very interesting looks into a world that I have not spent much time in. I even, or should I say especially, enjoy the videos that you post disagree with my personal beliefs, because like your magazine articles I can put them in the metaphorical "file" and review them later, allowing be to evaluate, further research, and ultimately confirm or alter my views. In conclusion, thank you for great content.
+Samuel Glaze It doesn't take someone religious to become very close minded though the stereotype is there. Good on you for branching out to ideas that are different or contradictory to your own.
On this kind of theoretical topic of understanding and development; a very interesting way of thinking I came across seems to go hand in hand of what you just said.
"Everything is perfect; Perfectly what it is. I trust everything; Everything to be what it is."
They just agreed and put a line trough the subscription
The Google search point is something I completely agree with, as it allows me to improve myself.
The advent of the Internet and exposure through social media and the like really negates this entire argument
no, it doesn't it reinforces it, on the one hand you have people reinforcing the idea "You must believe this or else" (It's hard to put a general statement that covers multiple beliefs and ideas) and then you have someone, unknown to you, telling you different. Do you :
A) Consider their views and adjust yours accordingly or
B) Shout at them and call them names
...I know what I would do but evidence points to A LOT of people choosing option B.
Been watching your videos for years and I just now have come across this one. No idea what the video was that you said you were going to post a week or so after this one. In any case, I've agreed and disagreed with many of your videos but yet here I am still watching your stuff. If I or to unsubscribe and block out everything I disagreed with without giving it a second thought, I am making myself a worse person by doing so. Thank you for being who you are and promoting stimulating thought.
In what way was I wrong about the social mobility? I made only one point: that if people move to where justice would put them, then once they have done that, they stop moving.
I only wish the youtube algorithm would provide videos that disagree, instead of recommending me these reasonable videos.
I generally agree. exposing yourself to positions you don't already agree with is more fruitful - albeit also far more exhausting. On any contentious topic you tend to run into 90% regurgitated junk arguments without any neuance that have been thoroughly refuted a hundred times over. The remaining 10% you can grow from - but it does seem futile to try to sort the wheat from the chaff sometimes.
Also - there are genuine reasons for "subscribing" to people/sites/opinions you already agree with. Sometimes you have opinions that are intuitive to you but hard to explain in concrete terms. Listening to other people who share your opinion but have put far more time into analyzing the issue can give you shortcuts to better understanding your own position. There is a fine line between understanding the argument and regurgitating something you agree with though. All in all I think it can be helpful to a person of integrity that can reserve some level of skepticism even to ideas they agree with.
About the google filtering I both agree and disagree. There is no doubt that googles algorithms give you better targeted searches for the most part (along with advertising and much else) - but at the same time the problem that you mention happens where you can build a bubble around yourself when it comes to contentious issues. I'd love to see some simple checkbox for "neutral search" where google defaults to no personal preferences and is thus shared by all (across a language at least), so that people who want to get a neutral assessment of what the internet has to say about any given topic can get those results easily and in a transparent way.
I just subscribed. I've been watching so much lately of this channel, I'll probably exhaust the videos, this reminded me I have not subscribed
I cant stress enough how much i admire that attitude.
Faith is made stronger by facing doubt. Untested, it is nothing.
This is one of the best arguments I have heard in favor of free speech.
Kind of ironic that only now - after I've seen and liked quite a few of your videos - I remember that I should subscribe too. Ah, well, here we go!
Anyway, I listened to you, and I agree. This type of thinking is really important I believe, not just in certain fields, but generally.
On the Lindybeige channel as a whole... I DID come across two videos I think where I thought... "Oh man, I really, really like this person, but with this, I don't agree". I think I put a dislike on that too, don't take it personal, please.
But as you said... That just makes the entire journey more interesting. Different people have different ideas and opinions, that's just how it is, and even if you find a person where you think "Wow, they are JUST like me!", there'll be that one time where they have an opinion that's pretty much the opposite of your own. And then you have to deal with that in any way.
So yeah, I agree with this video and the general idea of being allowed to disagree with something.
Sometimes, I even hesitate a little bit, when a TH-camr I really like puts up a video where, just from the title, I think it will make me tend to disagree a little bit. But you know what, in the end, it's usually worth it. Heck, I've probably had a hundred of needless arguments online that I not only lost, but lost for the right reasons, but afterwards, seeing how and why I mucked it up, it made it all worth it, in a way. So yes.
TL;DR: I listened to you, but I still agree.
There are certainly things that you have said that I disagree with, but it causes me to defend ( or change) my own opinions. It is very refreshingly nice to here someone argue for objectivity in an age of rampant relativism. Keep on keepin' on Lindybeige!
The reason I have subscribed to you because you bring up new things that often make sense to my sense of reasoning. I never even considered challenging my views on climate change. I feel I am in an echo chamber of people who make what are in my opinion good points. I have subscribed to Prager University and TYT despite agreeing with neither of them 70% of the time.
The best way to deal with controversial topics in public is to present all sides of an argument as well as you possibly can. That way you can present what you think are the strongest arguments for the side you personally advocate, while at the same time being informative and staying neutral.
And yeah, we don't always agree, but the reason I come to this channel is because I find I learn at least one thing in every single video.
One of the reasons this channel is so good
Just responding to the general topic. I know there's a sort of casual understanding of "agree" but it's actually kind of hard to pinpoint what that means, and I never think in that term. I guess the closest I come to "disagreeing" with someone is if they say something that is either determinably factually incorrect, or is logically incorrect, or both, in which case there is more than an even chance I will leave some sort of remark about it, which is often somewhat entertaining for me.
Most of the time, when I take in information, it is to either 1. acquire information about an unfolding situation about which I am uninformed, 2. see differing viewpoints or additional information on some subject I am already familiar with.
As far as WHO I watch, this is decided either because I have interest in the subject matter, OR, if it is a matter of politics or other worldview oriented subject matter, I tend to filter out people who say more nonsense than not-nonsense (as determined by factuality and logic). For example, I differ with Sargon of Akkad on a number of philosophical points, and often write remarks about those, though less so since he switched to Lotus-Eaters where there is more interaction among people. However, I do "agree" with him on some points, but more to the point, he also provides news and a range of takes on various topics that I usually also see from several other angles from other youtubers.
I don't know how that fits in with your "agreement" rubric, but I do know that people who want to "agree to disagree" are cowards and intellectually dishonest.
Lloyd, you're the kind of person I wish was part of my family. I could sit for hours listening to you talk about literally anything. Intelligence and wisdom flows together with humour in this channel.
I agree 100%!!!!! I am a Christian, and I was born in a Christian home and raised in a Christian school. I have studied almost every religion and still agree with Christianity
I've been perusing through your videos essentially all day. I love the enthusiasm for history and occasionally abstract views of things I considered fundamentally universal. This video however, is why I now subscribe. You have both my respect and my attention.
I thought your point about social mobility was brilliant. I just found your channel when the Daily Mail ran a story about your video on "Fire Arrows." I decided to add all your videos to my "Watch Later" list. Whenever you make a video that I find boring, I just skip to the next one. You can't please everyone - nor should you try. Keep up the good work! :D
This video is severely under-rated. So I beg to defer Lloyd, i'm disagreeing about disagreeing... this time. You got lucky !
You must be using a different version of Google, I see none of the things you mention.
American public education probably would have been a better example of a confirmation bias echo chamber, but your overall point about confirmation bias is important. Many of us are completely blind to our biases.
+lindybeige, If you want Google to maintain an unbiased perspective, sign out and/or use the private browsing mode on your browser. Also, much of the negative activity in your subscriber metrics is just people cancelling or closing their accounts.
Really love that jumper its like a decorated coif
I'm not Christian but I went to Catholic schools for most of my formative years. It was known by everyone that I was not baptized or Christian and yet I was treated very well there and I don't for a moment regret the experience. I feel it's given me more perspective and helped me to get along with people with differing points of view. Of course for every story like mine, I'm sure you will find the converse. I don't know, but all I can conclude is that we are shaped equally by our good and bad experiences and its only a matter of how you process it and what you take away that matters.
Funny enough I've been having in depth discussions about this very same topic recently. They were about how the game Fallout 4 presents an excellent example of some the consequences that this kind of willed entrenchment in ideas can lead to. And I came to this video right after typing my disagreements on another one of your videos hehe.