Hyper-Reality | The Great Gaslight, Ep. 3 | James Lindsay & Michael O'Fallon
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- We are in the process of transitioning from an analog, objective, real, physical world into a digital, subjective, surreal world.
In that transition into a digital subjective world, we are experiencing a transformation of what is accepted as reality, when it isn’t reality: it is synthetic.
In this discussion enters Jean Beaudriallard and his understanding of hyperreality the creation of synthetic reality, which is not reality at all: it is the creation of something that is more real than real.
It is beyond propaganda, but propaganda is certainly utilized.
It is the creation of simulacra and simulation.
And in this world of simulacra, we are being told to ignore objective reality and embrace hyperreality: an unreality that has no connection with that which it claims to represent.
Our way of life, our media, our news and our body politic are now guided by the ever-changing synthetic world of the hyperreal.
Hyperreal is defined by Dr. James Lindsay as “more real than real” or not bearing any true qualities to the original.
As we examine the world around us, we begin to suspiciously consider that the world in which we live in is undergoing a major cultural transformation-one leading to a widespread lack of stability, an increase in moral relativism, and a rejection of objective truth.
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"Reality is what you run into when you are wrong." -Dallas Willard
The wise man built his house upon the rock!
Good to hear two real men discussing what’s really true. Thank you !!!
Listening to this on the road today. I remember, due to an unfortunate divorce, which I didn't initiate it, but I couldn't reconcile it either, that, I got deep into World of Warcraft. I was still in the Military and had returned from a deployment in Iraq and my wife had returned from a deployment in Afghanistan. After the separation all I did was play WoW. I became completely addicted, even though I wouldn't admit it. I went from someone who went to Muay Thai three to four times a week, to just paying for a membership I never used. I put down my guitar and didn't pick it for almost 6 years. I started gaining weight and went from Outstanding PT scores to nearly failing the test. Even after I retired in 2008, it was probably not till 2010 that I finally realized how toxic it all was. I've dabbled a couple of times since then, but never like I had. Now, for the last few years I'm almost completely video game free. I'm back in shape. Back to Muay Thai. I'm playing guitar again, and I'm reading much of what Dr. Lindsay has been reading on his podcasts over the last year since I discovered him while trying to figure out what this whole CRT thing was about. Thank you both for everything you've done to help save this nation from this Marxist-Satanist dogma that is deluding millions.
Fantastic discourse. I've been struggling with the feelings of being gaslit and not having the proper words to express it. This made it all click and get me grounded in reality and rationalism again.
God bless and keep up the good work gentlemen.
Same. I didn’t really know how or have the vocabulary to describe what I was feeling nor the prescient perspective to understand it. Conversations like these are extremely elucidating and vital.
This conversation is what I call real education, no 200k student loan for a powerpoint thru Zoom required.
Derrida: what have you signified have you brought me
Student: (punches Derrida in the face) the 'ouch'
Questions: Has the last 2 years been a hyper-reality? Could the “pandemic” have succeeded without social media?
The people most taken by it seem the least involved with social media. Much more cable drones and local gossipers.
Mainstream Social Media vs Alternative Social Media? Facebook and Twitter are enforcing the narrative and apolitical skeptics are being called fringe conspiracy theorists and racist insurrectionists. Keep on Trucking! 🇨🇦
Yes. They changed the definition of a pandemic during the swine flu "pandemic" to include diseases that are NOT FATAL. That way the could push cases to be a cause of concern because they with the new definition indicate a pandemic EVEN WHEN NOBODY IS DIEING.
@@blablablayahoo I was born in the 50's and I have never seen in my lifetime a global shutdown like we just witnessed. So I think big tech+media+government"s+celebrities all pushing the fear porn narrative 24/7= a world in total fear willing to give up everything to be "safe" including the gifts from God their very own children. I read all the books growing up sci-fi back then but never in a million years thought freedom loving folks would fold so quickly. Blessings
The first SARS had zero impact on my daily life.
You guys are legendary for taking the time to explain things to the lowly pipe fitters like myself , it's really coming together now , almost full circle , once the origins are understood the picture comes into view ,,however actually trying to explain to someone else is still difficult without just pointing to come here .
Thanks for all you do , both of you
You are really all we have
Except for Douglas Murray
Bro you're not lowly for being a pipefitter. Guys in the trades sustain Western Civ and make the world go round. It seems to me you don't realize how important you are man.
This series is absolutely wonderful.
I've noticed over the last few years how movies are TOO real. The colors are too bright. The film is TOO clear and perfect. Live action is starting to look like a video game.
It’s too much CGI and the near universal disappearance of celluloid film (70mm, 35mm, etc) in favor of full digital. There’s a great video essay here on TH-cam talking about the movie Interstellar from like 2014. He talks about how James Cameron went to great lengths to use as much real cinematography as possible and shot the movie on 70mm film. The plot of the movie involves Kevin Kosner’s character being faced with the existential crisis of the world as he knew it ending while he attempts to maintain a connection with the old ways. He pilots the spaceship himself instead of using auto pilot, etc. The director kind of vicariously lived in the character.
I had only seen the movie once in theaters years earlier, but I remember really liking it and thinking it was an extremely well-made movie and stood rather alone as one of the few films I actually enjoyed from the last 10 years or more. Now I understand why. The image composition is wonderful and very pleasant to see. 70 and 35mm film is a treasure! Screw digital- it just isn’t the same.
Excellent...as usual. Thank you, Sirs.
I saw that analogy about layers of separation between strawberries vs strawberry slurpies. It was eye-opening. I'm always glad to be reminded of it.
I absolutely love this series. Participated in a real world meet today to flyer for a local political movement, and everything you said at the end rings so true.
James is the man
This video was only an hour long, yet it simultaneously felt like it contained 3 hours worth of content, whilst being over way too quickly. So many points in here helped to coalesce a number of ideas and pieces of information that have been floating around in my mind lately, allowing them to click together like pieces of a jigsaw. Kudos to Michael for being such an excellent host, knowing exactly when/how to interject, and when to allow James to keep going. I'm going to be re-watching this video again before the night is out, lol. This is the first video I've come across on this channel today and it's an immediate sub from me. Thank you for a great hour of dialogue guys! x
Lindsay’s examples and analogies were excellent here.
The entirety of this conversation I've called for many many years : The Ipso Fattoe Absurd Age of Ironical Being; Diathesis and Individuated Reality
Good conversation
These talks are so interesting and helpful. Thankyou.
Superb and life affirming. Thankyou borh.
24:00 Yes James you are over the target here!!! You make this seem so easy, thank you! ;-)
James Lindsay's videos are awesome.
Great talk! Thanks for taking the time to upload it! 🙏💖🙏
Some of the best videos on the internet
Damn, that moment at the end where James Lindsay calls me out grinding World of Warcraft gold while listening.
No one cares
Whenever I see James Lindsay I nearly break my mouse.
How do we fight back? How about a world unplugged month, a world reality month. I suggest July or August. August Unplugged?
*you have not thought that through. Your sort of thinking is why we live in a world of lies and fantasy instead of living in a world of reality.*
*to “unplug” will cause immediate harm and pain and suffering - you will discover how much of your mind and nature are gone. There is no disconnect or unplug without consequences. The consequences ARE SICK.*
@@OrchestralOrg When's the last time you went a day without your phone or computer?
@@lkae4 *I already been there done that many years ago - it was a test and the test produced massive knowledge and understanding. You CANNOT disconnect yourself from the internet without consequence. En mass people will SUFFER. They will discovered that their mind has been altered and it can no longer function without the internet. Memory is altered, awareness and focus and attention is altered, and the damage is catastrophic. People will be left incapacitated and confused like as if they have a form of dementia. It is a horror.*
@@OrchestralOrg Cool story. I'm unplugging you aka you're muted. Take care.
@@lkae4 *weak. Plus blocking doesn’t prevent comments. It only prevents me from commenting on any of your own videos and trust me, I’m not interested. You LEARNED quite a lot today. From the world’s ultimate house of knowledge. You can thank me later.*
Trying to live in a virtual world untethered from the real one is as dangerous and destructive as trying to live in the temporal world untethered from the eternal one.
"Entire crops were lost."
@Tim Fox, well, that's exactly what they not only have planned, but plan to profit from it, which is us. blockchAIn - discussion with "What's Left?" podcast - th-cam.com/video/io7Vb_iVI4Q/w-d-xo.html
Thank you , I have been following this with great interest.
I read Simulacra and Simulation at the beginning of the “pandemic” and the first chapter gripped me when Baudrillard talks about simulating illness. Very analogous to what happened the past two years. Is there a virus? Probably. Was it as bad in reality as it was in hyper reality? Probably not.
Simulacra and simulation are conman tools. Baudrillard would probably love the conmanship of the plandemic.
Of course there is a virus. Don't be silly. The question is how to deal with it.
There is a virus. The problem is our elites treated it as if it affected everyone with the same risk of death once it was known there was a vast difference in risk from the young to the old. That was the hyper reality that’s still going on today.
@@tylthomas in order to determine how to best deal with it you need to understand what it is and how serious it is. Reality and hyper-reality both provide answers to those questions but not the same answers.
Every year there are over a hundred of Corona viruses. They pick out a dozen for a v@x and have'nt discriminated as to which one they avoided.. This time they added a ringer and blamed all illnesses on it added on it and made a killing (pun intended) and got the people used to the passport.
When one of these episodes pops up I always have the same ritual now - coffee, vape, earphones and recline.
Your instant coffee and vape are hyperreality :)
Your analysis is spot on!
Another outstanding conversation in the series...thank you, Michael and James.
It's so strange to watch someone engage rather passionately with post modern theory, in a way that I only ever really see in those who are major proponents of it, and be hyper critical of it.
What a smart guy. The dialectic is the keys to the kingdom the Church has used for centuries to control nation building. ✌️
do you have the feeling that getting us into a war 80 years ago is what got us into this mess now?
Thank you
This needs a follow up.
6:52:00 Yes James, it's Individualism, the promotion of the Individual as the end result, the end in him/her self, has always been a fundamental American Ideal that will always withstand the eroding sands of time. Why? Because reality indicates that the Individual is the only acting agent capable of acting on reality.
A gem.. Good vid
Thank you.
:)
James’ code name should be “Wokel Yokel”… ya know… ‘cuz he’s from Tennessee.
26:18 It's the "Analytic Synthetic Dichotomy" taken to it's irrational extremes. It's being done to you on purpose, as long as you allow it to be done to you.
Interesting older article in Rolling Stone, The Mystery of Larry Wachowski, that delves into how heavily he was into extreme BDSM before/during his transition.
Mmm-hmm. Mmmm. Mmm-hmm. Right. Mmm. Mmmm. It’s okay to keep quiet while the other guy is making his points 😂😂
The terrain exists regardless of the accuracy of the map that tries to describe it.
Thanks guys Eight of my 10 siblings follow the new & got all the shots. Won't listen to anything I say. People don't want to visit with each other 😉
Wow! Most people love Real maple syrup much better than the fake stuff... but I've become so used to the fake stuff that I don't like the Real stuff which is ridiculous! 😟
I got booted from Twitter. I can still go read it, but it's not the same. I miss out on a lot. The links and articles are what I miss badly.
The direction they were bringing people was to the past instead of forward now.
I watched this using VR with a filter.
James: Sorry for talking too much…
Us: Bro keep going!
😂❤️
"Welcome to the Desert of the Real"
It's obvious exploitation, been for a while since 9 11 but lets learn to live together again. ❤️
@13:20. “A trans woman won miss USA….great-whatever. …..I’m not making any value judgement here.” @15:25 “If you want to be trans, more power to you”.
What in the world.
Can you tell us how to start education hour kids and strategy
Should we start pretending that we go along and crack them from the inside.?
Synthetic reality = lies that we are told to live by
"The greatest battles of life are fought, daily, in thesilent chamber of the soul "
David O McKay
"To not find pleasure in one's pursuits, makes us a slave to our destiny "
Hearst
" to accept scrapes to keep from the lash, says a slave is maybe what you are"
Swearingen.
-Milch
" they better hope to the gods that robots save them, because I'm not "
Me,just now...
David O McKay meets every Biblical test if what a false prophet is/was.
Hyper-UN-Reality
No intention to be hostile but the abuse of language issue... I have to point out that when you call a "transwoman" "she," you are misusing language. Dalrymple explained all this well.
“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.” ― Theodore Dalrymple
It's like the movie Rodger Rabbit
we've always pursued the hyper real, what do you think the statue of David is?
No one is living the statue though. It's its own isolated object.
I call it a vested interest in error.
Skin so Soft...lol...i forgot all about that stuff for skeeters
*FALLEN FALLEN mystery Babylon had fallen and is a haunt for dirty unclean spirits!*
30:49 This is where James fat shames Michael.
30:57 Michael accepts James' apology.
Why can't there be a new philosophy? Why do we spend so much time disecting old philosophy? Seems like the academics would have taken all the meat from the bones by now.
I'm so done with this matrix...
@Illhan Omars brother's wife is Illhan Omar I would think that impossible, literally. Besides, I don't want to practice the thinking of a psychopath...
@@KatyWantsToGo I think, because it still matters, so people have no choice but to discuss it.
From what I gather, some people took the principles of Post Modernism, and weaponised it.
That is a serious problem, Japanese might say 'troublesome'! ;)
There might be no way to climb out of the pit kind of troublesome.
If you start a new philosophy without thoroughly surveying the old philosophies you’ll just inevitably take the beginning steps of one of those old philosophies.
@@MatthewJohnFaunce Any collections of philosophy belong to another man's mind, I can't have your trip and you can't have mine. I have my own philosophy and it is mine alone...
The slurpee is different than the original fruit, and preferred by some. How does that make it more "real?" JL claims this, but never explains it.
Thumbs up for WokalDistance and his strawberries.
I'm disappointed to go online to youtube to learn something, only to hear yet another youtube online micropublisher "influencer" engage in the tired old campaign against online micro publishing by saying everything I try to learn from this video "is not real. It's only a fake similacra of reality. Escape the Matrix.".
The problem of the similacra is MUCH older than the Web or even computers. The REAL problem is floating abstractions in words and sentences. Kill micro publishing and you will still have that problem.
28:20 Tibetan populace might argue that point...
I am just watching some J.A.L. vids and he has an issue with analysing himself, his surroundings and the position he is in, when he tried to determine relationships and provide a critique of the postmodernist & postmarxists. Funny how he can analyse fields of thinking without ever questioning himself and his own reality... Maybe I have not yet seen that video but it seems that he has no idea where his own beliefs and what he takes for granted come from. This is laughably ignorant to one's own position. Hierarchies are synthetic and so is god and 100 other things. Jeez...
Lindsay has a real gift … must be a heavy burden …..
Uncle Ted tried
Is religion reality by proxy?
38:03 Analytic Synthetic Dichotomy thrust upon you, don't fall victim. As much as Yaron B. Bugs the F out of me, you might want to suffer his idiosyncrasies and have a chat. If you film it is your jam, but something make me think you might have already had this discussion. I'm probably wrong in my connections but not ideological end, he could be of help in a way you haven't anticipated yet and for reasons he should be able to provide.
Thesis: In your quest to defeat the windmill, if you engage in any kind of dialogue (or dialectic) you have already lost to the windmill.
First of all, why do I put it in these terms, why do I summon some kind of windmill here? It's because you are gaming. You don't know that you are gaming, but you are. You have manufactured a villain, whatever that may be (me/sjws/nazis/crts/theists/atheists/ignoramuses/murderers/etc), and some kind of oppression or source of victimhood at the hands of the villains. Gamers understand this. I'm also gaming as I'm writing this, I don't deny it.
I will tell you why you lose if you engage: The moment I ask you "what is a reality?", you have lost. This is because at that moment, whether you would like to or not, some neurons are firing in your head to come up with some kind of formulation. This is a subjective formulation. When I point out that this is a subjective formulation, you will say that everybody either agrees or can be convinced to agree. So, according to your formulation of reality, anytime some undefined number of subjective opinions correspond with eachother, that opinion becomes promoted to objective reality. Or, the difference between reality and unreality is quantitative, not qualitative. If an insufficient number of people's opinions correspond, they are in unreality, or hallucinating.
Fair, there is no contradiction in this .
But, then I ask, does reality exist inspite of humans, or human beliefs, or opinions, or subjective analyses. If you say yes, we have encountered a contradiction. To understand this contradiction, first ask, will reality exist after the last person dies? You may say yes. Now I ask you once again, "what is a reality?" and once again some neurons fire to come up with some formulation. To whom do those neurons belong? Who is asking "what is a reality" and who is constructing a formulation, absent any humans?
Now the vision of the evil windmill and its oppression dances like a mirage in your head and you cry: "But, when that master puts the lash upon the back of the slave is that pain not real?" And given this pain, or oppression, you tell the slave to go on a heroic quest to fight the windmill. Supposing the slave heeds your clever advice, it will become a master. But, what happens when all of the slaves become emancipated by fleeing towards the windmill? Will the cotton spontaneous appear from the ether and line up on the shelf in an orderly manner for all of the masters' consumption? Ah. but in a free market those who pursue the eternal windmill, that is to say those minority who heed your advice, will become the masters and the rest, the evil ones, won't, and they will deserve their whip. This is how we solve the problem of how the cotton gets to the shelves. This is fair. There is also justice in this because the good advice heeders become the masters and the evil non-heeders get the whip.
There is something missing, that is the question of what is that enigmatic thing called "pain"? The master makes the physical motion to crack the whip and the slave experiences the pain, and we say that the master is "responsible" for the pain. This responsibility is misplaced. The master simply exploits the propensity of the slave to experience pain, or hunger, or cold etc. in order to motivate it. Who is responsible for the propensity? Maybe it's some breeding selection process that has caused this because of the questing utility of pain. Or, it was a "gift" from God, or the two heroes that collided their genital together on their heroic quest to conquer the windmill. Calling it a gift is a funny joke because gift implies some kind of consent or some kind of desire on the part of the receiver to receive the gift. But, there can be no desire or consent absent the gift being given. The gift recursively forces its own desire for the gift.
The gift is responsible for the slave's pain, not the master. Indeed, the master is a subject to the same gift. The gift is the whip. And, the real master is God. It is easy to be upset at God for the whip gift, until you realize that God is also on a heroic quest to conquer the windmill. God is on this quest against its will, just as the God before it, the God that created God was also on the quest against its will. Gamers understand this.
I know he's grifting but occasionally he does actually seem geuninely dim.
James, you talk way too fast in this one.
Nice place. Need a roommate?
I need only 200 Sq ft of space for my art studio, my own bathroom and I play guitar in my underwear. Hit me up!