This is a good practise routine. You could also try to familiarize yourself with different chords. Preferably 4 finger chords as I call the them, because they are harder to separate the notes. Choose a chord you like, then play that chord in every key, or play it within a scale, where the root note is the note you refer to as being in the scale. Practice that then eventually you’ll be able to recognize the type of chord hear in a song
That's great! Yeah, with practice, you can definitely start to hear a lot of different notes. After practicing, I can now hear shapes, so I sometimes immediately know a 5 note voicing. Have you worked on it?
Noah Kellman when I studied with Benacous I tried but my ear gravitates to the interval not the reference pitch but perhaps I will attempt it again- great video
@@jakemf1 Thanks! Yeah I think it's worth trying again for sure. Either way, if you can recognize the interval as a whole sound, that's great too. I think the end goal is hearing the two or more notes together and immediately recognized the interval/chord.
I got 2/3! I got the first and third test! For the 3rd one, I had a hard time guessing it because that's my first time ever to guess 2 notes played at one time! But I took the tim to guess it. So I listened over and over to the 2 notes. I know the first note was G, but I couldn't identify the second one. So I used your method in guessing which is to sing the scale from C. That way, I knew that the second note was D! Very great. I am happy that I see progress within mee 😭❤
OMG WHEN I GUESSED IT RIGHT I WAS SO SO SO HAPPY. I'VE BEEN TEACHING MYSELF RELATIVE PITCH KINDA SINCE YESTERDAY EVENING. THE ONLY NOTES I'VE ENGRAVED IN MY BRAIN SO FAR ARE THE LETTERS C G and E. I AM GLAD I GUESSED IT CORRECTLY BECAUSE THAT MEANS I AM LEARNING AND THERE IS PROGRESS ❤
I cant believe I got the first exercise right. I’m not even a musician I just started familiarizing myself with notes by listening to “perfect pitch programming” videos. (I’m just jealous of Eddy from TwoSetViolin.) THOUGH, I don’t think they helped me determine the relative pitch as much as a simply exercise with a “relative pitch test” video I watched just before this video now.. I guess you just really have to familiarize and analyze, practice as mu as you can. I just can’t believe I got F# right...
Omg Thank You! I understand a lot, it's just that I can't fit the pieces together you know? I know the Solfege for all the Modes relatively well, I just can't find Home/Tonic in a Song, often end up on the Third as Tonic haha.... Would love it if you made tons more videos that makes different parts of the Puzzle Whole Again!
Are you able to do the interval humming in solfege. Just started to learn intervals using solfege but i don't understand how to properly hum it like what you did with "da da... " I heard that fifth using solfege before you identified it but again i still don't know if I'm doing it the right way.
I can think using solfege but I prefer using numbers. I prefer it that way because chords are generally written using scale degrees. I would recommend using numbers when ear training, unless you are specifically trying to train using solfege for some reason!
On the first note I was like "sounds like a G....ew no it's an f sharp....but it cant be it's only the first note so it must be a G...nah but it's an f sharp..." usually people do an easy first note lol
You do have to get to it eventually though, so just like Kanji in Japanese, if you learn it with Kanji rather than writing it all in Hiragana and then learning Kanji later, it'll be much more natural later on. I guess it really is like a language in the way you learn it.
I have had a keyboard for a week and I have been trying to learn songs and pieces and (as simple as they may be) I’ve noticed that I can usually sound out the notes from memory on things I’ve never played. I don’t know if that even is anything worth mentioning. Just thought I’d ask someone more musically inclined.
Is this a good method for hearing different chord functions in diatonic context? I’ve done a lot of interval practice isolation but when it comes to identifiting things in context it’s not super helpful for me.
If there are any higher level stuff you could give tips for that would be awesome! I feel like I can’t Find any advanced videos on TH-cam. Thanks for the video though. I’m in Berklee right now and I still suck at hearing more than one note at a time and I think your tips will really help me
same man. i learned the alain benbassat method and its amazing. ive been doing it for months but im trying to level up another level. it has helped tremendously but i want more and faster
What you pointed out about counting is pretty informative but I still find it difficult counting the intervals and figuring out in my mind. I guess practice is the only way out for it !
Hey Noah, first off: thank you so much for this. Just to check: when you're doing the two-note version in the right hand, you're thinking of them as scale degrees? So, if you played an F# and Eb, you'd be thinking "Fi and May" (or however one wants to notate it), as opposed to going the interval route?? Thanks for your time man! Jeff
relative pitch has always been my nightmare for the simple fact that my vocal range has an extremely low and limited range < C4. I simply cannot extend my vocal range enough to sing more than an octave making it extremely difficult to "imprint" these intervals in my brain. I think the brain does not naturally develops beyond your vocal range unless you really push it to do so. Any tips for people like me ?
how would you know that the brain does not "naturally imprint intervals" also, its more about just "intervals". The exact same intervallic structure in different contexts will assume different scale degrees/solfege. If you only try to categorize the sounds by intervals, you will fail. Just listen to how Mi down to Do sounds then listen to how Do down to Le or the flat 6 sounds. Same interval, totally different valence.
It is tough, I'll admit! Best to practice with a friend. However, there are some good ear training websites that you might be able to find. I forget them off the top of my head, but you can do a search. I do recall one that was called good-ear.com or something like that!
Not advertising but there's an app called functional ear trainer, it really helps. 10 minutes everyday for a month and you will see the progress. I've been using it for a year now and i can pretty much recognize any note.
mugflub not at all! It’s a lot like learning a language- it might be slightly slower learning than for someone who’s in their teens, but you can definitely develop it. If you work hard, you can develop excellent relative pitch quickly and effectively!
Dumb question: how do I learn the skill of being able to sing/hum the scales and get it correct? Are there any tutorials for that, or is it something you're supposed to be born with?
I can do this, i can count the major notes and tell if its in between. never played an instrument but i have used a midi piano editor a lot. i think it comes naturally
How would this help relative pitch though? Like what if there’s no reference point ? In this we had C as a reference point but what if you put on a random song ? how can u develop the relative pitch to find what key it’s in
i know this is a year late but relative pitch is being able to find out pitches from an already established note. just being able to pull it out of thin air is more like perfect pitch. however from experience i find that with practice over time it gets easier to be able to find out what it is through playing it back on your instrument
I'm actually running the Juno through MIDI in this case, although I do love the Juno's piano patch. I'll check out which one I use next time I power it on.
Hi! i just want to ask you how long did you trained until you have firm grasp of relative pitch? Coz Im learning it now and Im in my first month and yes I think I am improving, I can somehow identify chords by listening to basslines and finding the song melody and thats pretty much it and its not accurate sometimes I get wrong notes, I know this will took more than months even years, and will this relative pitch can help you improvise solos, coz I want to be a lead guitarist with better solos and play what I hear in my head. Thanks instasub man! Quality content.
Hey Jayvs, good question- I think if you work hard and do it consistently every day, you could see some incredible progress within just a few months. If you use a good ear training method, it's just like learning a language-- you need to memorize the sounds, and more repetition will lead to better memorization. Make sense?
@Noahkellman I have started prep classes for music school at the institution called Selkirk college and I am having a incredibly hard time with rhythm dictation and melody dictation any chance you could help me over say video chat maybe zoom?
1:08 That's not true actually. If you have a very narrow bonestructure you will never be considered buff no matter how much you train at the gym. Good video nonetheless.
Noah Kellman no hahaha that is why I’m surprised. I think maybe it’s because i subconsciously memorized the major triad sound. Btw thanks for this video!
@@matyuvinz8842 Great! Actually, I think that's the key to improving your ears- memorizing the sound of a chord. As you continue to train with more and more difficult exercises, you'll memorize the sounds of more and more chords and it'll be easy to recognize almost anything.
This video seems like it's for people who already have an ear for notes. You just start singing notes to teach people to hear notes. Trying to teach something is always admirable, but this video is definitely not for people with no innate ability to identify notes/chords. It does nothing for me. Thanks though.
Playing by ear and music in general can be quite overwhelming at the beginning, but you can learn!!! Don’t give up and don’t worry you won’t be able to take everything in the first time you try. If you want to see a video I made of an adult learning to play by ear, check this out, it may inspire you... th-cam.com/video/tcqEL-ckxeM/w-d-xo.html
“Don’t even use your instrument for now”
Me: *panics in singer*
The exercises starts at 2:13
Thanks
How impatient my friend
Thanks mate
Our hero and savior.
I'll wait. Thank you
This is a good practise routine. You could also try to familiarize yourself with different chords. Preferably 4 finger chords as I call the them, because they are harder to separate the notes. Choose a chord you like, then play that chord in every key, or play it within a scale, where the root note is the note you refer to as being in the scale. Practice that then eventually you’ll be able to recognize the type of chord hear in a song
im still really sad that i was unable to get perfect pitch when i was younger. however, gratitude is a virtue. i’ll work with what i have.
Hey, at least now you can enjoy microtonal music without being weirded out
@@calatwork7308 true
Who cares about perfect pitch
Thanks man. Its indeed like learning a new language
A famous jazz educator would teach this to all his students and many players could hear 5, 6, 7 notes.
That's great! Yeah, with practice, you can definitely start to hear a lot of different notes. After practicing, I can now hear shapes, so I sometimes immediately know a 5 note voicing. Have you worked on it?
Noah Kellman when I studied with Benacous I tried but my ear gravitates to the interval not the reference pitch but perhaps I will attempt it again- great video
@@jakemf1 Thanks! Yeah I think it's worth trying again for sure. Either way, if you can recognize the interval as a whole sound, that's great too. I think the end goal is hearing the two or more notes together and immediately recognized the interval/chord.
Who was it?
@@NoahKellman Can I not sing it? because it feels very cringey to me sorry.
I believe if i watch this video daily for two more months, I will acquire thi skill. thnx bruhh
Shrinidhi Deshpande I believe that too! But even better, if you have a friend, you can do this exercise together and test each other!
just know the theory, and listen to alot of song, i got pretty good at relative pitch doing that
Finally I got a SUPER TH-cam channel that can do the ear training. Well done
if i had the pitch ability to sing up a major scale, i wouldn’t need this video
I got 2/3! I got the first and third test! For the 3rd one, I had a hard time guessing it because that's my first time ever to guess 2 notes played at one time! But I took the tim to guess it. So I listened over and over to the 2 notes. I know the first note was G, but I couldn't identify the second one. So I used your method in guessing which is to sing the scale from C. That way, I knew that the second note was D! Very great. I am happy that I see progress within mee 😭❤
i really don't get how you don't have more subs and views.. you always drop gems
Man, thanks so much! I really appreciate that. Hey, feel free to spread the word... :p
Noah Kellman already know i do! lol
@@lonzcityy2189 hahah thanks I appreciate it!!
OMG WHEN I GUESSED IT RIGHT I WAS SO SO SO HAPPY. I'VE BEEN TEACHING MYSELF RELATIVE PITCH KINDA SINCE YESTERDAY EVENING. THE ONLY NOTES I'VE ENGRAVED IN MY BRAIN SO FAR ARE THE LETTERS C G and E. I AM GLAD I GUESSED IT CORRECTLY BECAUSE THAT MEANS I AM LEARNING AND THERE IS PROGRESS ❤
guessed...
I cant believe I got the first exercise right. I’m not even a musician I just started familiarizing myself with notes by listening to “perfect pitch programming” videos. (I’m just jealous of Eddy from TwoSetViolin.)
THOUGH, I don’t think they helped me determine the relative pitch as much as a simply exercise with a “relative pitch test” video I watched just before this video now..
I guess you just really have to familiarize and analyze, practice as mu as you can.
I just can’t believe I got F# right...
Nice work, Gethro, that's great!
Noah Kellman thanks. Great video btw. Instant sub. :D Hahah
@@arcadicus_ezevius Thanks, Gethro!!
I througt it was a f natural, almost there
Omg Thank You! I understand a lot, it's just that I can't fit the pieces together you know? I know the Solfege for all the Modes relatively well, I just can't find Home/Tonic in a Song, often end up on the Third as Tonic haha.... Would love it if you made tons more videos that makes different parts of the Puzzle Whole Again!
Are you able to do the interval humming in solfege. Just started to learn intervals using solfege but i don't understand how to properly hum it like what you did with "da da... "
I heard that fifth using solfege before you identified it but again i still don't know if I'm doing it the right way.
I can think using solfege but I prefer using numbers. I prefer it that way because chords are generally written using scale degrees. I would recommend using numbers when ear training, unless you are specifically trying to train using solfege for some reason!
On the first note I was like "sounds like a G....ew no it's an f sharp....but it cant be it's only the first note so it must be a G...nah but it's an f sharp..." usually people do an easy first note lol
Kitan Kate hahaha true. Sorry bout that :p
You do have to get to it eventually though, so just like Kanji in Japanese, if you learn it with Kanji rather than writing it all in Hiragana and then learning Kanji later, it'll be much more natural later on.
I guess it really is like a language in the way you learn it.
I was able to recognize example #3... my gawd, it feels like a super power lol
I have had a keyboard for a week and I have been trying to learn songs and pieces and (as simple as they may be) I’ve noticed that I can usually sound out the notes from memory on things I’ve never played. I don’t know if that even is anything worth mentioning. Just thought I’d ask someone more musically inclined.
Great singing at 4:00 man 😂 sounds like me trying to find the correct note!
Is this a good method for hearing different chord functions in diatonic context? I’ve done a lot of interval practice isolation but when it comes to identifiting things in context it’s not super helpful for me.
If there are any higher level stuff you could give tips for that would be awesome! I feel like I can’t Find any advanced videos on TH-cam. Thanks for the video though. I’m in Berklee right now and I still suck at hearing more than one note at a time and I think your tips will really help me
same man. i learned the alain benbassat method and its amazing. ive been doing it for months but im trying to level up another level. it has helped tremendously but i want more and faster
What you pointed out about counting is pretty informative but I still find it difficult counting the intervals and figuring out in my mind. I guess practice is the only way out for it !
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"there it is" in g flat, i loved it
I recognized the first F# by remembering the sound of C diminished chord, it has an F# as a third.
Hey Noah, first off: thank you so much for this.
Just to check: when you're doing the two-note version in the right hand, you're thinking of them as scale degrees? So, if you played an F# and Eb, you'd be thinking "Fi and May" (or however one wants to notate it), as opposed to going the interval route??
Thanks for your time man! Jeff
Thanks for the motivation🙏🏽, I'm a percussionist, trying to learn how to play the keyboard‼️
Hey, you're welcome! Glad to hear it's helping :)
Noah very good explanation 👍
Thank you, Solomon!
relative pitch has always been my nightmare for the simple fact that my vocal range has an extremely low and limited range < C4. I simply cannot extend my vocal range enough to sing more than an octave making it extremely difficult to "imprint" these intervals in my brain. I think the brain does not naturally develops beyond your vocal range unless you really push it to do so. Any tips for people like me ?
how would you know that the brain does not "naturally imprint intervals"
also, its more about just "intervals". The exact same intervallic structure in different contexts will assume different scale degrees/solfege. If you only try to categorize the sounds by intervals, you will fail. Just listen to how Mi down to Do sounds then listen to how Do down to Le or the flat 6 sounds. Same interval, totally different valence.
im doing eartraining online and always seem to messup the aug and dim chords. does anyone have a tip on not messing up?
Practice
Nice video, Nice subject but how do you practice these alone ?? Like simpler exercices than transcribing a record ... ?? Thanks for your videos :)
It is tough, I'll admit! Best to practice with a friend. However, there are some good ear training websites that you might be able to find. I forget them off the top of my head, but you can do a search. I do recall one that was called good-ear.com or something like that!
Not advertising but there's an app called functional ear trainer, it really helps. 10 minutes everyday for a month and you will see the progress. I've been using it for a year now and i can pretty much recognize any note.
@@JPATEL98 i download the app and start. and i realize im very bad to diferentiate note and remember it. even in 3 note do re mi very hard
@@Video_ML how you doing now
I'm 37. Am I too old to develop relative pitch?
mugflub not at all! It’s a lot like learning a language- it might be slightly slower learning than for someone who’s in their teens, but you can definitely develop it. If you work hard, you can develop excellent relative pitch quickly and effectively!
Noah Kellman Doesn’t anyone who isn’t tone deaf or doesn’t have perfect pitch have relative pitch?
@@Ilnur-v6z Yeah, but that doesn't mean they have GOOD relative pitch :P
No. Trust me. Just keep at it. Go do re mi... in your mind whenever you can and skip notes often.
Well, the difficulty is to perform those calculations ultra fast when notes move very fast.
that carpet looks like the cover art of the album The Shining by the late J Dilla. cool lesson btw
Dumb question: how do I learn the skill of being able to sing/hum the scales and get it correct? Are there any tutorials for that, or is it something you're supposed to be born with?
I can do this, i can count the major notes and tell if its in between. never played an instrument but i have used a midi piano editor a lot. i think it comes naturally
How would this help relative pitch though? Like what if there’s no reference point ? In this we had C as a reference point but what if you put on a random song ? how can u develop the relative pitch to find what key it’s in
I think you have to first find the key of the song
i know this is a year late but relative pitch is being able to find out pitches from an already established note. just being able to pull it out of thin air is more like perfect pitch. however from experience i find that with practice over time it gets easier to be able to find out what it is through playing it back on your instrument
bro when a note is played, i legit just don't know. like i dont even know how to scale it in my brain, its so frustrating.
What is the name of the piano patch you are using in that Juno?
I'm actually running the Juno through MIDI in this case, although I do love the Juno's piano patch. I'll check out which one I use next time I power it on.
I don't know f my tuner is acting up. Whenever you play a C note, it registers as a B."
i cant hear where wat notes or chords yet
"Having good ears to recognize shapes"
I know its symbolic but still...
pfp checks out
"I just sing a major scale..." - What!? i can't fecking hear it, how am I supposed to sing it?
learn music theory first, that helps alot.
@@ilmansalt You mean music theory at basic right ? Like note names etc..
Hi! i just want to ask you how long did you trained until you have firm grasp of relative pitch? Coz Im learning it now and Im in my first month and yes I think I am improving, I can somehow identify chords by listening to basslines and finding the song melody and thats pretty much it and its not accurate sometimes I get wrong notes, I know this will took more than months even years, and will this relative pitch can help you improvise solos, coz I want to be a lead guitarist with better solos and play what I hear in my head. Thanks instasub man! Quality content.
Hey Jayvs, good question- I think if you work hard and do it consistently every day, you could see some incredible progress within just a few months. If you use a good ear training method, it's just like learning a language-- you need to memorize the sounds, and more repetition will lead to better memorization. Make sense?
@@NoahKellman Yes for sure. Thanks man! Long journey ahead, but I am enjoying music more than I do before.
@Noahkellman I have started prep classes for music school at the institution called Selkirk college and I am having a incredibly hard time with rhythm dictation and melody dictation any chance you could help me over say video chat maybe zoom?
Great one !
Thanks, Samy!
Thanks bro you are awesome
You're welcome Alan glad it's helpful
When i was 7 I remember listening to twinkle twinkle little star, and later on played it on a little xylophone i had
What can I do if I miss the notes I sing?
Fl Ko practice singing your major scales
1:08 That's not true actually. If you have a very narrow bonestructure you will never be considered buff no matter how much you train at the gym. Good video nonetheless.
Nope
the point about relative pitch is to recognise intervals not exact notes... you can work out the exact notes later...
Welp just confirmed that I have relative pitch bc I immediately knew the notes he was doing
I can’t go up the scale because I miss notes so I jump up one note like c d e g a b c d
Middle C at 2:20
i cant sing in key so this basically useless to me but cool video 😅😭😭😭😭😭😭
solar flare ahhh haha well hey maybe singing up and down a scale is a decent place to start! Thanks for watching!
its also nice and useful (specially if you are a singer) to know how to sing the same notes on a different key
I can't either lol just try to sing the note in your head xD
Learn the solfège major ,minor , and chromatic and sing it
it starts at 2:10
Why I hear F# alwasy B
Well I am incredibly deaf, cant even learn to sing major scale so yeah :D
Bravoo
I have perfect pitch if there is no chords 🤣 I just can identify single pitch. But chord is hard for me.
Do you have perfect pitch?
I don’t! Just really good relative pitch which I’ve trained over time.
Noah Kellman So Noah, I know I have that level of relative pitch. Can I develop to the better level by practicing?
Noor Hay absolutely
I suck at ear training 😭
I don’t even understand what the difference in the hum was
Cool lesson! Just keep it simple and Name EACH keynote or chord!!! Don't speed it up for beginners.. keep it SLOW! 💵🫑💵🫑💵
Man I’m really just guessing
wow i got 3 out of 3 haha
haha nice that's great! have you done much ear training before?
Noah Kellman no hahaha that is why I’m surprised. I think maybe it’s because i subconsciously memorized the major triad sound. Btw thanks for this video!
@@matyuvinz8842 Great! Actually, I think that's the key to improving your ears- memorizing the sound of a chord. As you continue to train with more and more difficult exercises, you'll memorize the sounds of more and more chords and it'll be easy to recognize almost anything.
Me too and I am shocked because I am very average and below average at playing piano and singing respectively.
@@lavishasharma3084 Nice work! That's great. You must have good ears- that's a big advantage.
Well I got 3/3 but no relative pitch lmao
Relative pitch isn’t a gift like perfect pitch. It’s a state of musical skill knowing how to differenciate notes.
i'm so bad at this. the only thing i memorized is the C
This video seems like it's for people who already have an ear for notes. You just start singing notes to teach people to hear notes. Trying to teach something is always admirable, but this video is definitely not for people with no innate ability to identify notes/chords. It does nothing for me. Thanks though.
For sure- these exercises are definitely more geared toward those who have some relative pitch going into the video. Sorry it wasn't helpful for you!
Playing by ear and music in general can be quite overwhelming at the beginning, but you can learn!!! Don’t give up and don’t worry you won’t be able to take everything in the first time you try. If you want to see a video I made of an adult learning to play by ear, check this out, it may inspire you... th-cam.com/video/tcqEL-ckxeM/w-d-xo.html
Then start off by learning your intervals, because that's the first step towards ear mastery.
The keyboard is out of tune.
The very first example / trial in your beginner ear training video is a TRITONE?! Gtfo here.
Gotta thank BTS for that F# lmao
lmao
This method makes no sense.
What you mean dude?
tuition is far far too slow. too much talking.
Stop talking
Huh?