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  • @guyhoghton399
    @guyhoghton399 หลายเดือนก่อน +212

    _x = ½(1 + √5) = ½( -(-1) + √( (-1)² - 4(1)(-1) )_
    ∴ _x² + (-1)x + (-1) = 0_
    ⇒ _x² = x + 1_
    Multiply through by _x:_
    _x³ = x² + x = (x + 1) + x = 2x + 1_
    ⇒ _x⁶ = (2x + 1)² = 4x² + 4x + 1 = 4(x + 1) + 4x + 1 = 8x + 5_
    ⇒ _x¹² = (8x + 5)² = 64x² + 80x + 25 = 64(x + 1) + 80x + 25 _
    _= 144x + 89 = 72(1 + √5) + 89_
    ∴ *_x¹² = 161 + 72√5_*

    • @engjayah
      @engjayah หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      This is the simplest solution also derived independently

    • @buffalobilly6046
      @buffalobilly6046 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes anytime you work with the “magic number” you need to know how to simplify

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      But you missed the coefficient of 2 simplifies things immensely:
      x³ = 2*x + 1 = √5 + 2
      So, just square that twice, without having to deal with x in a symbolic manner, and substituting and simplifying yet again.
      x⁶ = 9 + 4*√5
      x¹² = 161 + 72*√5

    • @ranjithamarakoon8842
      @ranjithamarakoon8842 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Nice work. ❤

    • @ayushdwivedi1154
      @ayushdwivedi1154 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@buffalobilly6046 can you tell me what is magic number?

  • @jpl569
    @jpl569 หลายเดือนก่อน +177

    Another proof : noticing that (1+ √5)/2 = φ, and φ^2 = 1 + φ, we have the property
    φ^n = Un-2 + φ Un-1 for all n ≥ 2, where (Un) is the Fibonacci sequence.
    Then φ^12 = 89 + 144 φ = 161 + 72 √5.
    If you do not like finding the Fibonacci elements until n = 11, just take φ^6 = 5 + 8 φ, and square φ^6 :
    φ^12 = (φ^6)^2 = (5 + 8 φ)^2 = 89 + 144 φ = 161 + 72 √5.
    Thank you for your videos !

    • @Escviitash
      @Escviitash หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I assume that you by Un-2 mean the (n-2)th Fibonacci number, or as it is usually written "F(n-2)"
      F(0) = 0 and F(1) = 1, and from there you get the rest of the Fibonacci numbers by F(n) = F(n-1) + F(n-2), and you can even go to in the negative direction by F(n) = F(n+2) - F(n+1). You will the get that F(11) = 89 and F(12) = 144.
      Compare this to the soltution and you will get that φ^x = F(n-1) + F(n)*φ, which you obviosusly got confused with the formula for finding the Nth Fibonacci number.
      A couple of examples where n is 0 or negative:
      Using F(n) = F(n+2) - F(n+1) you will get that F(-1) = 1, F(-2) = -1, F(-3) = 2, F(4) = -3 and so on, which is the same as the Fibonacci numbers in the positve direction, with the exception that they are negative if n is even.
      So if n = 0 the you get: φ^0 = F(-1) + F(0)*φ = 1 + 0*φ = 1 + 0 = 1
      If n = -1 you get: φ^-1 (the reciprocal of φ) = F(-2) + F(-1)*φ = -1 + 1*φ = -1 + 1.618.. = 0.618... , which is indead the reciprocal of φ
      If n = -2 you get: φ^-2 (the reciprocal of φ^2) = F(-3) + F(-2)*φ = 2 + -1*φ = 2 - 1.618.. = 0.381... , which is indead the reciprocal of φ^2
      This will hold true for any integer power of φ, not just for power of 2 or higher.

    • @jpl569
      @jpl569 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Escviitash OK... I didn't use the usual notation for Fibonacci numbers, in order to achieve a nice and easy solution with positive integers. Thanks for your remark !

    • @robertveith6383
      @robertveith6383 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@jpl569 -- In your first post, n - 2 and n - 1 needed to be inside grouping symbols, respectively.

    • @jpl569
      @jpl569 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@robertveith6383 Yes, for sure, thanks !

    • @ffggddss
      @ffggddss หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      All good, except the index is off by one from the usual definition in parts of that.
      Yes, F(0)=0, F(1)=1; from which you eventually get F(11)=89, F(12)=144; but the rule for powers of phi is:
      φⁿ = F(n)φ + F(n-1)
      Fred

  • @46swa
    @46swa หลายเดือนก่อน +112

    This solution is far too cumbersome. (((Term^2)^2)^3 is much faster

    • @RexxSchneider
      @RexxSchneider หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      You might alternately consider evaluating Term^4 = ((Term)^2)^2 as an intermediate step, then Term^8 = (Term^4)^2 and finally Term^12 = Term^8 * Term^4.

    • @DandoPorsaco-ho1zs
      @DandoPorsaco-ho1zs 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@RexxSchneider That's how I did it.

    • @billweihmillerjr9481
      @billweihmillerjr9481 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Or x^12= (x^4)(x^4 )(x^4).
      Solve x^4 once, pull the power down to 1. Square, pull power down to one, then uae the third, power down ...
      I liked his deliberatw approach, skipping magic ratio, phi, and avoiding the temptation to go complex when algebra,does just fine.

    • @billweihmillerjr9481
      @billweihmillerjr9481 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Good problem to be VERY careful with.

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Nope, cubing simplifies the calculation by eliminating the denominator, so 2 successive squares can be done easily.
      ((√5+1)/2)³
      = (√5+1)³/8
      = (5*√5 + 3*5 + 3*√5 + 1)/8
      = (8*√5 + 16)/8
      = √5 + 2
      Then, just square that twice.

  • @jamesaitken4070
    @jamesaitken4070 หลายเดือนก่อน +255

    I think it’s simpler just to expand out as ((((1+sqrt 5)/2)^2)^2)^3 as the expression squares out pretty simply each time

    • @milan.matejka
      @milan.matejka หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, probably just as complicated to calculate, but you definitely don't risk a dead end.

    • @46swa
      @46swa หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      I agree with you. It's much quicker this way.

    • @user-gr5tx6rd4h
      @user-gr5tx6rd4h หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I did so and got the exact same answer.

    • @BotaTamas85
      @BotaTamas85 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      In this particular case yes, but seeing how introducing an X for a part of the expression can simplify the problem is pretty valuable.

    • @benjamingrunbaum3601
      @benjamingrunbaum3601 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I also did it this way. I wouldn't have even thought of the "X"

  • @redotto100
    @redotto100 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    There’s another elegant way to solve this problem by recognizing that (1+sqrt(5))/2 is the eigenvalue of the matrix A = [0,1; 1, 1] with largest magnitude. Taking this matrix to powers produces matrices with Fibonacci numbers as entries A^p = [f(p-1), f(p); f(p), f(p+1)], so A^12 = [89, 144; 144, 233]. The largest eigenvalue of A^12 is ((1+sqrt(5))/2)^12. Simplifying the characteristic equation for A^12 gives 0 = x^2 - 322*x + 1 and computing the larger root gives the answer.

    • @wisdomokoro2255
      @wisdomokoro2255 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Just Brilliant!

    • @CGoldthorpe
      @CGoldthorpe 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Clearly this is more obscure, less intuitive, and less "pure"

  • @robertbox5399
    @robertbox5399 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    I was screaming, 'GET ON WITH IT!', Lol.

    • @AtanuKDey
      @AtanuKDey 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I downvoted the video because of that. The man takes many steps to explain why 1 plus 4 is 5 by adding 1 to 1 four times to get 5. Three minutes gone.

  • @Escviitash
    @Escviitash หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    φ^z = F(z-1) + F(z)*φ holds true for any integer power of φ, negative, zero or positive. F(z) is the Fibonacci numbers with index z.
    To find the Fibonacci numbers with negative index you can reverse the formula to F(z) = F(z+2) - F(z+1) to get the sequence F(-1)=1, F(-2)=-1, F(-3)=2, F(-4)=-3, F(-5)=5, F(-6)=-8 and so on, i.e the same as the positve indexed Fibonanacci numbers, but negative if the index is even.
    Plug in 12 for z and you will get: φ^12 = F(12-1) + F(12)*φ = F(12-1) + F(12)*φ = F(11) + F(12)*φ = 89 + 144*φ which can be simplified to F(z-1)+F(z)/2 + (F(z)/2)*sqrt(5) if F(z) is even.

  • @koenth2359
    @koenth2359 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    We only have to calculate φ^2, φ^4, φ^8 by consecutive squaring and then φ^12 =φ^4×φ^8. It's just four lines.

  • @pietergeerkens6324
    @pietergeerkens6324 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    Such a great opportunity missed, to note in passing that
    [ (1 + √5) / 2 ]³
    = (1 + 3√5 + 3*5 + 5√5) / 8
    = (16 + 8√5) / 8
    = 2 + √5;
    and thus give students insight into this instance (and others similar) of the Pell equation.
    Now the entire expression simplifies as
    [ (1 + √5) / 2 ]¹²
    = (2 + √5)⁴
    = (4 + 4√5 + 5)²
    = 81 + 72√5 + 80
    = 161 + 72√5

    • @robertveith6383
      @robertveith6383 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No, it does *not* simplify to that. Go backward to some steps:
      [4 + 4sqrt(5) + 5]^2 =
      [9 + 4sqrt(5)]^2 =
      81 + 72sqrt(5) + 80 =
      161 + 72sqrt(5) *Answer*

    • @pietergeerkens6324
      @pietergeerkens6324 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@robertveith6383 Oops! Thank you. I Copy-Pasted "²" twice instead of "√5". Now corrected.

    • @aspenrebel
      @aspenrebel 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Now that a good way to do it, start. Term to 3rd = 2 x sqrt of 5. Then sq, then sq =322

    • @aspenrebel
      @aspenrebel 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@robertveith6383 that's what he did???

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @aspenrebel: OP made an error, which someone pointed out, so OP edited his first comment to fix the error. You saw the first comment after it was corrected.

  • @Pixiltation
    @Pixiltation หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    i don't think this video should be 11 minutes long

    • @billyoung8118
      @billyoung8118 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I suspect his ornate way of writing "x" accounted for about 1/3 of the video length

    • @Philip-hv2kc
      @Philip-hv2kc 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't see why he needs an X . You could simply do the basic arithmetic. But now I see that √5 if multiplied by itself 12 times is going to give different answers depending on original number of decimal points .

    • @souptikdam8424
      @souptikdam8424 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      2x speed.

    • @xl000
      @xl000 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      this could have been a tweet... But this wouldn't be on TH-cam

  • @kianooshboroojeni2551
    @kianooshboroojeni2551 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Want to have a shortcut? Fib(12) = 144. Considering the explicit form of Fib sequence, φ^12=144*sqrt(5) + ((1-sqrt(5))/2)^12 which is approximately equal to 144*sqrt(5) or 322.

  • @michaeledwards2251
    @michaeledwards2251 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The point of the question is to determine whether students are aware of the significance of reducing the power demanding evaluation. This is allows programming with minimal error growth.
    (In this instance the Harmonic ratio and Fibonacci sequence are useful, and may be part of a bonus, but the most significant factor is spotting ways to minimize error growth in numerical calculations. )

    • @julianocg
      @julianocg หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In this case should use any other number, not the golden ratio.

    • @michaeledwards2251
      @michaeledwards2251 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@julianocg
      Why not use the golden ratio : it gives an opportunity for bonus insights.

    • @michaeledwards2251
      @michaeledwards2251 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@julianocg
      An additional factor is the real world doesn't follow neat and tidy rules : numerical evaluation is an artform whose purpose is to achieve a resolution with minimum error.
      It is forgotten how important numerical evaluation is to the design of cars, houses, buildings, roads and much more.

    • @RexxSchneider
      @RexxSchneider หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@julianocg The whole point of picking the golden ration is that φ^2 = φ+1, which means that any power of φ can be successively reduced to a linear expression in φ. The key is that the student recognises that simplification provides a significant short-cut in this particular question.

    • @julianocg
      @julianocg 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RexxSchneider Just as I did.

  • @thomasrebotier1741
    @thomasrebotier1741 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    It's the golden ratio. That said, knowing the golden ratio and the afferent properties (x=1+1/x) is more a matter of general math culture, and olympiads are for teenagers. some of them will know and some won't at all, this is NOT the spirit of the olympiads. Those problems should be based on problem-solving ability, not on random general culture.

  • @florianbasier
    @florianbasier หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    You complexified everything my friend. My idea was that we could detect a nice generalisation for Sn=x^n that would not force us to write Newton's formula with a coeff of 12. So I started looking at S1=(1+sqrt(5))/2, S2=(3+sqrt(5))/2, S3=2+sqrt(5). And now my idea of a nice formula vanished but S3 is so simple that it can be used to compute easily S6=S3²=9+4sqrt(5) and then S12=S6²=161+72sqrt(5)

    • @tungyeeso3637
      @tungyeeso3637 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nice and neat.

  • @whycantiremainanonymous8091
    @whycantiremainanonymous8091 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Without watching: (1+5^½)/2 is the constant phi (sorry, no Greek keyboard here). Phi ^ n = Fn×phi + Fn-1, where Fn is the nth number in the Fibonacci series. Moreover, this is approximately equal to Fn+1 + Fn-1. So, for power 12, this would be 233+89=322. The actual number is more like 319.99.

    • @literallydeadpool
      @literallydeadpool หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      amazing, what a relation that is

    • @Ringcaat
      @Ringcaat 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Oh, impressive! Maybe some students knew that, but I doubt most did. I checked and it comes out right.

    • @jontallen3319
      @jontallen3319 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      jontalle.web.engr.illinois.edu/TEACH/AnInvitationToMathematicalPhys.pdf see page 71 or search for Fibonacci

  • @JTBettencourt
    @JTBettencourt หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    A good teacher doesn’t just show a series of steps. A good teacher explains the goal and explains why each step works toward the goal. Otherwise this is just rote learning and not knowledge.

    • @ciprianteasca7823
      @ciprianteasca7823 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So, what's your point...?!

    • @RexxSchneider
      @RexxSchneider หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@ciprianteasca7823 The point is that his variable 'x' is actually the golden ratio, φ. You should know that it has the property φ^2 = φ+1. That means that any power of φ can be reduced to a linear expression in φ. The simplification that provides is the key to finding an easy to evaluate expression for any power of φ, rather than the slog of evaluating a large binomial expansion with increasing powers of a variable.
      You can then evaluate φ^12 as ((φ^2 * φ)^2)^2 or ((φ^2)^2)^2 * (φ^2)^2, etc. as a linear expression in φ.

    • @echandler
      @echandler 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@RexxSchneider *Any* simple radical expression for x can be cast as the root of some quadratic equation. φ is particularly nice!

  • @walcant5610
    @walcant5610 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Prop. Phi = x ,
    x ^n = F(n) x + F(n-1)
    = F(n)/2 + F(n-1) +
    + F(n)/2 * 5^.5
    F(1) = F(2) = 1
    F(n) = F(n-1) + F(n-2)
    F(12) = 144,
    F(11) = 89

  • @paulortega5317
    @paulortega5317 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Two Fibonacci series, each with different f(1) and f(2) values. 1,3 and 1,1. The latter can also be derived from (1/sqrt(5))*[((1+sqrt(5)/2)^n - ((1-sqrt(5)/2)^n]

    • @jontallen3319
      @jontallen3319 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      jontalle.web.engr.illinois.edu/TEACH/AnInvitationToMathematicalPhys.pdf see page 71 or search for Fibonacci

  • @ronaldnoll3247
    @ronaldnoll3247 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    It is not clear to me what is simpler, the original equation or the calculated result.

  • @chriscurtain1816
    @chriscurtain1816 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Surely the 'answer' here is simply a different way of writing the question?

  • @Ctrl_Alt_Sup
    @Ctrl_Alt_Sup 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    φ = (1+√5)/2 where φ is the golden ratio
    φⁿ=Fₙ₋₁+Fₙφ where (Fn) denotes the Fibonacci sequence
    φ¹²=F₁₁+F₁₂φ with F₁₁=89 and F₁₂=144
    φ¹² =89+144((1+√5)/2)=161+72√5

  • @MiloTsukroff
    @MiloTsukroff 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    A very elegant solution. (That is, if the year is before 1970 and no scientific calculators are available.) 161 + 72 * sqrt( 5 ) does indeed equal ( ( 1 + sqrt( 5 ) ) / 2 ) ^ 12

  • @supergamer2026
    @supergamer2026 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ((1+√5)/2)^12 = phi^12
    we know phi^2 = 1 + phi
    phi^12 = phi^(2×6) = (phi^2)^6
    = (1+phi)^6 = ((1+phi)^2)^3
    = (1+2phi + phi^2)^3
    = (1+2phi+1+phi)^3
    = (2+3phi)^3
    = (2+3phi)^2 (2+3phi)
    = (4+12phi+9phi^2) (2+3phi)
    = (4+12phi+9(1+phi)) (2+3phi)
    = (4+12phi+9+9phi)(2+3phi)
    = (13+21phi) (2+3phi)
    = 26 + 39phi + 42phi + 63phi^2
    = 26 + 81phi + 63(1+phi)
    = 26 + 81phi + 63 + 63phi
    = 89 + 144phi
    = 89 + 144((1+√5)/2)
    = 89 + (144/2) (1+√5)
    = 89 + 72(1+√5)
    = 89 + 72 + 72√5
    = 161 + 72√5
    so,
    ((1+√5)/2)^12 = 161 + 72√5

  • @Bill_Woo
    @Bill_Woo 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Small deduction for ambiguous "1" vs. "7" display.
    Yet a miracle occurs, that "c" and its inversion somehow produce "x", and it's clear and unambiguous. Every time I saw that I both winced and smiled.

  • @virtual-viking
    @virtual-viking หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's much better to firstly calculate x^3=2+√5 because it immediately gets rid of the /2. Then find the solution from (2+√5)^4 via two successive squarings.

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's what I did.

  • @colinpountney333
    @colinpountney333 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A more elegant approach would be to iterate. After noting the expression to be raised to the power of 12 is a root of x^2 - x - 1, it follows that x^2 = x + 1. So x^3 = x^2 + x = 2x + 1. And therefore by iteration any power of x can be expressed in terms of ax + b. If x^n = ax + b then x^(n+1) = (a+b)x + a. You can do the rest in your head.

  • @johnstanley5692
    @johnstanley5692 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Alternative? extract even and odd powers of expansion (1+x)^12 = p1(y) +x*p2(y) here x=sqrt(5), and y=x^2=5 then divide by 2^12.
    in this case p1(y)=y^6 + 66*y^5 + 495*y^4 + 924*y^3 + 495*y^2 + 66*y + 1 = 659456 -> 161.
    p2(y)=12*y^5 + 220*y^4 + 792*y^3 + 792*y^2 + 220*y + 12 =294912 -> 72=> (p1(y)+x*p2y)/2^12 = 161+72*sqrt(5)

  • @cecilponsaing2749
    @cecilponsaing2749 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A beautiful solution. I did it without x at first, carefully, and got it right.After that I could finally understand your simpler approach , and I then did it that way too. Thank you.

  • @oahuhawaii2141
    @oahuhawaii2141 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    By factoring 12 to 3*2*2, raising to the power of 12 can be done by cubing, followed by squaring twice.
    Let x = √5 + 1
    We have x³ = 5*√5 + 3*5 + 3*√5 + 1 = 8*√5 + 16
    Thus, ((√5 + 1)/2)¹² = (((x/2)³)²)² = ((x³/8)²)² = (((8*√5 + 16)/8)²)² = ((√5 + 2)²)² = (4*√5 + 9)² = 72*√5 + 161

  • @fatroberto3012
    @fatroberto3012 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Modern students will not understand why the final solution is any simpler than the initial problem. This is understandable, because the point of solving problems without a calculator is debatable. If only 8% are going to get the right answer, then why do it? They are more likely to have a calculator than a book of Mathematical Tables or a slide rule, the use of which was the object of these exercises when I was at school fifty years ago.

  • @ArtemKo___
    @ArtemKo___ 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ½(1 + √5) = x
    x^12 = (x^2)^6
    x^2 = t
    x^12 = (t^2)^3 and just calculate

  • @hippophile
    @hippophile หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Trying to keep it simple (to be safe) I just cubed the expression then squared it twice. Cubing gets rid of the denominator so it works out pretty nicely.

    • @pietergeerkens6324
      @pietergeerkens6324 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And a passing reference that this happens to other Pell Equation solutions as well, such as
      [ ( 3 + √13) / 2 ]³
      = ( 27 + 3*9√13 + 3*3*13 + 13√13 ) / 8
      = ( 27 + 27√13 + 117 + 13√13 ) / 8
      = ( 144 + 40√13 ) / 8
      = 18 + 5√13
      and
      [ ( 5 + √21 ) / 2 ]³
      = 55 + 12√21
      ,
      might bee in order, as well as that this can only (but doesn't always) happen for √(4n + 1).

    • @GlomgoldFlintheart
      @GlomgoldFlintheart 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I did the same. If only 8% of students got it right, that must be bad students.

  • @braziliangentleman5148
    @braziliangentleman5148 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    (1 + √5)/2 is the golden ratio, and it has some properties related to the fibonacci number. I will call this number g(for golden ration).
    First of all, we have g²=g+1; therefore, if we multiply g both sides, we get g³ = g² + g, and on we go. Now if we replace g², we end up with g³ = g + 1 + g, that being g³ = 2g + 1. If we do it recursively, you will notice that this expression will go like: gⁿ = Fibo(n)g + Fibo(n-1) being Fibo(k) the k-th number of the fibonacci sequence.
    For those who never saw this before, the fibonacci sequence is a sequence where the next term is the sum of the last 2 terms. It starts at 1. To get to the next term, we sum 1+0, because we have nothing before the starting term, then we get a 1. For the 3rd term, we sum 1+1 and get 2, being 1 and 1 the last 2 terms. For the next, we sum 1+2 and get 3, being 1 and 2 the last 2 terms, and so on. The Fibonacci sequence should look like this: Fibonacci {1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55}. What is so important about this sequence is that if we get the ratio of 2 consecutive terms, we approach the golden ratio(named g before).
    now if we want to get the value of g¹², we need to get the value of Fibo(12) and Fibo(11), those values being 144 and 89. We end up with g¹² = 144g + 89. replacing (1 + √5)/2 in g, we get 161 + 72g

  • @fabrice9252
    @fabrice9252 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ce nombre est φ, le nombre d'or et on sait que φ est solution de l'équation x² - x - 1 = 0 donc: φ² - φ - 1 = 0
    d'où: φ² = φ + 1
    φ¹² = (φ²)⁶ = (φ + 1)⁶ = [ (φ + 1)²]³ = ( φ² + 2φ + 1)³ = (φ + 1 + 2φ + 1)³
    = (3φ + 2)³ = (3φ + 2)² (3φ + 2) = (9φ² + 12 φ + 4) (3φ + 2) = (9φ + 9 + 12 φ + 4) (3φ + 2)
    = (21φ +13) (3φ + 2) = 63φ² + 42φ +39φ +26 = 63φ + 63 + 42φ +39φ +26
    = 144φ + 89
    = 144 (1 + √5)/2 + 89
    = 72 (1 + √5) + 89
    = 72 + 72√5 + 89
    = 161 + 72√5

  • @ffggddss
    @ffggddss หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If you happen to recognize ϕ, and know this one little trick, along with the first dozen Fibonacci numbers, you can do this one in seconds in your head:
    ϕⁿ = F(n)ϕ + F(n-1)
    In the given problem, n = 12, so we can write
    (½[1 + √5])¹² = ϕ¹² = F(12)ϕ + F(11) = 144ϕ + 89 = 72[1 + √5] + 89 = 161 + 72√5
    And if you don't know the first dozen Fibonacci numbers, you can quickly produce them by the Fibonacci recursion rule, along with F(0) = 0, F(1) = 1:
    0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144
    Fred

    • @jontallen3319
      @jontallen3319 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      jontalle.web.engr.illinois.edu/TEACH/AnInvitationToMathematicalPhys.pdf see page 71 or search for Fibonacci

  • @albertomontori2863
    @albertomontori2863 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After you arrived at (3x + 2)^3 , It would be more obvious to just do the cubic binomial expansion (a+b)^3= a^3 + b^3 + 3a^2b + 3ab^2; also the Tartaglia triangle was a viable method to do that binomial expansion!

  • @ald6980
    @ald6980 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    phi = x=(1+sqrt(5))/2; phi^n=F(n)phi+F(n-1), where F(n) - the n-th Fibonacci number: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,..... F(n)=F(n-1)+F(n-2).
    The same another way:
    x^0 = 1 = 1+0*sqrt(5) = (1;0)
    x^1 =(0.5;0.5)
    x^n=(a(n);b(n)) = (a(n-1);b(n-1))+ (a(n-2);b(n-2)).

  • @julianocg
    @julianocg หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you consider that (1+(5)^.5)/2=Phi, the golden ratio, and the relation Phi^n=Phi[n]*Phi+Phi[n-1], where Phi[n] is the n-th number of the Fibonaci sequence.
    Thus, Phi^12=Phi[12]*Phi+Phi[11], and finally, Phi^12=144*Phi+89.

  • @Prypak
    @Prypak หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just know that phi²=phi+1 and boom, ez solution, just develop (phi+1)², replacing phi² by phi+1, and then do it with (a*phi+b)³ and you've got it

  • @mariakoutsoulieri9525
    @mariakoutsoulieri9525 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Needs calculations but is straightforward: ((1+ √5)/2)^12 = ((1+√5)x1/2))^12 = ((1+√5)x1/2))^2x6 = [(1+√5)^2)x (1/4)]^6. then we apply the (a+b)^2 formula = a^2 + 2ab + b^2... given that (a+b)^6 = (a+b)^(2x3) = ((a+b)^2)^3... we come to a point where we have... [1+√5(2+√5)]^3 x 1/(4^6).... we apply the rule (a+b)^3 = a^3 + 3(a^2)b + 3a(b^2) + b^3... the rest is pure calculations... Many calculations but no tricks!!!! straightforward answer. Finaly we multiply with 1/(4^6), basically division.

  • @juandesalgado
    @juandesalgado หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's perhaps easier to figure out first the relation
    phi^n = F_n . phi + F_{n-1}
    where F_n is the n-th Fibonacci number; then compute phi^12 directly.

  • @Ridelto
    @Ridelto 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No need to use x. Just split the numerator and denominator, then square the numerator three times getting the common factor out every time simplifying with the denominator, and finally multiply one more time the numerator by 7+3sqrt(5) to get 644/4 and (288/4)sqr(5) or 161 + 72sqr(5). That simple.

  • @Leeroy49
    @Leeroy49 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Moivre-Binet formula for implicit Fibonacci solves :)

  • @user-py8kl5gh2q
    @user-py8kl5gh2q 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just did this by repeated application of x^2, x^4, x^8 ; then x^4 * x^8, using x^2 = 1+x
    φ^2 = 1 + φ
    φ^4 = (φ^2)^2 = (1 + φ)^2 = 1 + 2φ + φ^2 = 1 + 2φ + (1 + φ) = 3φ + 2
    φ^8 = (φ^4)^2 = (3φ + 2)^2 = 9φ^2 + 12φ + 4 = 9(1+φ) + 12φ + 4 = 21φ+13
    φ^12 = (21φ + 13)(3φ+2) = 89 + 144φ

  • @Hatifnote
    @Hatifnote 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    easy for anyone knowed or can see
    that
    x²=x+1..
    Many examples in calculus are tributary to some anterior knowledge.
    Utility
    write any number as solution of some equation than try to simplify it by this equation
    Particular case :if there is sq root it will be root of second equation
    Ex:
    x=1-√5
    (1-√5)¹⁰?
    (1-√5)²=1²-2*√5+5=6-2√5=4+2(1-√5)
    =4+2x
    x²=4+2x
    x⁴=16+16x+4x²=16+16x+4(4+2x)
    =32+24x
    x⁸=(32+24x)²
    =32²+2*32*24x+576
    =1600+1536x
    x¹⁰=(1600+1536x)*(4+2x)
    =6400+3200x+6144+3072x
    =12544+6272x
    =12544+6272*(1-√5)
    =6272(2+1-√5))
    =6272(1-√5)
    Finally
    x¹⁰=6272x

  • @amarjyoti7783
    @amarjyoti7783 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Use the binomial theorem

  • @lunstee
    @lunstee หลายเดือนก่อน

    You break down the 12th power into 2*2*3, taking x, squaring it twice, and then taking the cube. I would have taken the cube up front; x^3 = x^2*x = (x+1)*x = x^2+x = 2x+1, and then squared that twice instead.
    Or, observing that your x is the golden ratio φ, I would recognize that φ^n = (L(n) + F(n)*sqrt(5))/2 where L(n) and F(n) are the Lucas and Fibonacci series respectively. One can work out the series manually from the recursive definition, which for n=12 is feasible to do directly. For larger n, the methods for skipping ahead in these series are fundamentally the same as the manipulations shown in this video (multiplying two exponents).

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Note that the cube is 2*x + 1, which eliminates the denominator, so squaring twice is easy. No need to track all the coefficients symbolically as they get large.
      x³ = 2*x + 1 = √5 + 2
      x⁶ = 9 + 4*√5
      x¹² = 161 + 72*√5

  • @JulesMoyaert_photo
    @JulesMoyaert_photo 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for showing me how to reach the result with all the substitutions.

  • @bogdanagrigoroaie5840
    @bogdanagrigoroaie5840 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    (1+sqrt5)^12=(((1+sqrt5)^3)^2)^2 =((1+3sqrt5+15+5sqrt5)^2)^2 = ((16+8sqrt5)^2)^2= ((8(2+sqrt5))^2)^2 = 8^4 x(4+4sqrt5+5)^2 = (2^3)^4 x(9+4sqrt5)^2 = 2^12 x(81+72sqrt5+80) = 2^12 x(161+72sqrt5), and 2^12/2^12 = 1, and the result is 161+72sqrt5

  • @mircoceccarelli6689
    @mircoceccarelli6689 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    F = PHI
    F = ( sqrx( 5 ) + 1 ) ÷ 2
    F^2 = F + 1
    F^6 = ( F^2 )^3 = ( F + 1 )^3
    ..........
    F^6 = 8F + 5
    F^12 = ( F^6 )^2 = ( 8F + 5 )^2
    .............
    F^12 = 144F + 89
    = 72 sqrx( 5 ) + 161
    👍😁🤪👋

  • @jonathanburros6762
    @jonathanburros6762 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A = (1+√5)/2
    A^2 = (3 + √5)/2
    A^3 = [(1+√5)/2][(3+√5)/2]
    = [3+4√5 + 5]/4
    = 2 + √5
    A^6 = 9 + 4√5
    A^12 = 81 + 80 + 72√5
    = 161 + 72√5

  • @coolbits2235
    @coolbits2235 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I solved by factoring out 2 in step 1, this gives 2^-12 as a factor and (1+sqrt(5)) power 12 Now in each step you will get more factors that you can take out and power. Its almost the same amount of work that way.

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The easiest way to hand simplify the expression is to cube it, then square twice. Try it to see how neat that is. You'll laugh at the narrator for taking the long and messy route.

  • @musicsubicandcebu1774
    @musicsubicandcebu1774 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Square by hand to obtain φ squared
    Multiply again by φ to obtain 3rd power
    Square the 2nd power to obtain 4 power
    Cube the 4th power

  • @tanmaygawali-ri2nu
    @tanmaygawali-ri2nu 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Smart guys unattempt question and saves time😎

  • @knotwilg3596
    @knotwilg3596 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We know for a = phi: a²=a+1 so a³=a²+a=2a+1 = 2+ V5
    a^12 = (2+ V5)^4 = (9+4V5)² = 161 + 72V5

  • @BojanPeric-kq9et
    @BojanPeric-kq9et 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Simple way: do match by square, squaring and cubing or cubing, squaring, squaring without 1/2 to avoid bother with fractions. Divide when it is convenient and keep count of number of 2s used.

  • @robertlunderwood
    @robertlunderwood 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I immediately set the golden ratio to x and jumped to x^2 - x - 1 = 0 => x^2 = x + 1. Multiply both sides by x, simplify, square, simplify, square again, simplify, substitute, and solve, abusing x^2 = x + 1 whenever possible.

  • @jeffpudewell5884
    @jeffpudewell5884 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Awesome, thanks. Very helpful.

  • @perakojot6524
    @perakojot6524 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ((1+sqrt(5))/2)^3 = 2+sqrt(5)
    (2+sqrt(5))^2=9+4*sqrt(5)
    (9+4*sqrt(5))^2=161+72*sqrt(5)
    This took me 2mins to compute.

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, I did the same thing.

  • @user-hz5ne2rl5e
    @user-hz5ne2rl5e หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fibonacci sequence and the golden ratio ϕ= (1+ √5)/2, as already mentioned by others earlier. ϕ^12=89 + 144ϕ

    • @jontallen3319
      @jontallen3319 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      jontalle.web.engr.illinois.edu/TEACH/AnInvitationToMathematicalPhys.pdf see page 71 or search for Fibonacci

  • @markharder3676
    @markharder3676 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You could get (3x + 1)^3 via the binomial expansion. I.e. Pascal's triangle.

  • @justinatgmail
    @justinatgmail 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Square it.
    Square that (^4).
    Do it one more time (^8)
    Multiply the 4th power and 8th power results.
    A little simplification and you get to the answer in about 1/4 the time.

  • @mariomilani79
    @mariomilani79 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It took me 2 minutes after rewriting (1+√5)/2 in four groups to the power of 3. By using once the formula of the cube, once the formula of the square and then rearranging the resulting number, you get the result.

  • @tnguyen5725
    @tnguyen5725 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    (1 +sqrt(5))^12 = ((1+sqrt(5))^3)^4 = (1+3sqrt(5) +3*5+5sqrt(5))^4= (16+8*sqrt(5))^4=8^4*(2+sqrt(5))^4= 8^4*((2+sqrt(5))^2)^2
    =8^4*(4+5+4*sqrt(5))^2= 8^4*(9+4*sqrt(5))2= 8^4*(81+80 + 72sqrt(5))= 8^4*(161+72*sqrt(5)). And 2^12 = 8^4 , =>
    ((1+sqrt(5))/2) = 8^4*(161+72*sqrt(5))/(8^4) = 161 +72*sqrt(5)

  • @theresecleuvenot4472
    @theresecleuvenot4472 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is phi to the power twelve and phi squared equal phi + 1 , simplier this way

    • @synriser6742
      @synriser6742 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      the golden rario?

    • @canismerendree
      @canismerendree หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@synriser6742 Is indeed the golden ratio.

  • @spicymickfool
    @spicymickfool 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Decent presentation of the basics, but its a great opportunity to demonstate tge interconnectedness of ideas here. Once you have tgat expression fir x^2, yiu van get one from x^3. Then by breaking down non kinear terms into linear exoressions, you can save time. So one cannedplicitky introduce an iterative method. Isnt this closely tier to the fibonacci series?

  • @PASHKULI
    @PASHKULI 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this expression is φ (The Golden ratio) raised to the 12 power. Then, φ² = 1 + φ.

  • @u7007317
    @u7007317 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A rule for solving this sort of problem: If it's too much like hard work, you've missed a trick...
    It's easy to see that... x^2 = x+1, so
    x^4 = 3x+2, so
    x^6 = 8x+5, so, finally
    x^12 = 144x+89
    Then the result is easy to compute.

  • @zanti4132
    @zanti4132 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Once you have established x² = x + 1 with x≠ 0, just multiply by x to get an equation in terms of x³:
    x³ = x² + x = (x + 1) + x = 2x + 1
    From here keep going to get equations for each integer exponent:
    x⁴ = x³ + x² = (2x + 1) + (x + 1) = 3x + 2
    x⁵ = x⁴ + x³ = (3x + 2) + (2x + 1) = 5x + 3
    x⁶ = x⁵ + x⁴ = (5x + 3) + (3x + 2) = 8x + 5
    x⁷ = x⁶ + x⁵ = (8x + 5) + (5x + 3) = 13x + 8
    x⁸ = x⁷ + x⁶ = (13x + 8) + (8x + 5) = 21x + 13
    etc. The reason for the Fibonacci sequence coming into play that other posters have pointed out becomes apparent.

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But that's still a long and drawn out process. If you noticed the cube removes the denominator, then things get easy:
      x³ = 2*x + 1 = √5 + 2
      Just square that twice!

  • @prakharsahu7646
    @prakharsahu7646 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bro I think that You have to use binomial expression to solve this question.
    In India this math problem are simple .
    In India High school student slove this simple problem.

  • @BangkokBubonaglia
    @BangkokBubonaglia 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That was a lot of work vs just remembering phi^2 = phi + 1. Reducing it down to a cubic and using Pascal's triangle to expand out the coefficients.

  • @ymarko1
    @ymarko1 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm not a mathematician. But after your many manipulations, what is the actual result? Because your final line is not much simple from the original line. If you do not simplified, what was the point to do all these manipulations? You can just solve the original one on a calculator.

  • @ukdavepianoman
    @ukdavepianoman หลายเดือนก่อน

    For this problem (x^12) direct expansion is probably much easier....but suppose the problem were x^67 or x^83, the method shown here would be much easier. x^67 could be written as (x^64)(x^2)(x)...just keep expanding out replacing x^2 with x+1. Same with x^83...write as (x^64)(x^16)(x^2)(x)

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well, for minimal resources, we can keep just the original numbers and toss in an accumulator. For exponentiation, convert the exponent to binary, and use simple squaring the accumulator and multiplying by the base when a '1' bit is sensed, as you read off the bits of the exponent from MSB to LSB. The accumulator is initialized to 1. [Must check to avoid 0⁰.] This is much like how multiplying is simply doubling the accumulator (shift left in binary) and adding the original value when a '1' bit is sensed. The accumulator is initialized to 0.
      For exponent 12, we can do it symbolically without dealing with big numbers. We have 12 = 1100b:
      x² = x + 1 [2 = 10b]
      x²*x = x³ = (x + 1)*x = x² + x = 2*x + 1 [3 = 11b]
      x⁶ = 4*x² + 4*x + 1 = 8*x + 5 [6 = 110b]
      x¹² = 64*x² + 80*x + 25 = 144*x + 89 [12 = 1100b]
      For the exponents you chose, the process gets cumbersome quickly. But the algorithm is simple: Preload accumulator to 1; thereafter, only square and if '1' bit, multiply by x.
      For exponent 67:
      x⁰: 1, x¹: x¹ᵇ, x²: x¹⁰ᵇ, x⁴: x¹⁰⁰ᵇ, x⁸: x¹⁰⁰⁰ᵇ, x¹⁶: x¹⁰⁰⁰⁰ᵇ, x³²: x¹⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰ᵇ, x³³: x¹⁰⁰⁰⁰¹ᵇ, x⁶⁶: x¹⁰⁰⁰⁰¹⁰ᵇ, x⁶⁷: x¹⁰⁰⁰⁰¹¹ᵇ
      For exponent 83:
      x⁰: 1, x¹: x¹ᵇ, x²: x¹⁰ᵇ, x⁴: x¹⁰⁰ᵇ, x⁵: x¹⁰¹ᵇ, x¹⁰: x¹⁰¹⁰ᵇ x²⁰: x¹⁰¹⁰⁰ᵇ, x⁴⁰: x¹⁰¹⁰⁰⁰ᵇ, x⁴¹: x¹⁰¹⁰⁰¹ᵇ, x⁸²: x¹⁰¹⁰⁰¹⁰ᵇ, x⁸³: x¹⁰¹⁰⁰¹¹ᵇ

  • @claireli88
    @claireli88 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Since x²=x+1, then
    x⁴=(x²)²
    =(x+1)²=x²+2x+1
    =x+1+2x+1=3x+2
    x⁸=(x⁴)²
    =(3x+2)²=9x²+12x+4
    =9(x+1)+12x+4=21x+13
    x¹²=(x⁴)(x⁸)
    =(3x+2)(21x+13)
    =63x²+81x+26=63(x+1)+81x+26
    =144x+89
    Since x=(1+√5)/2, then
    x¹²=144(1+√5)/2+89
    72+72√5+89=161+72√5

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      By factoring 12 to 3*2*2, the power of 12 can be cubing, followed by squaring twice.
      Let x = √5 + 1
      We have x³ = 5*√5 + 3*5 + 3*√5 + 1 = 8*√5 + 16
      Thus, ((√5 + 1)/2)¹² = (x/2)¹² = (((x/2)³)²)² = ((x³/8)²)² = (((8*√5 + 16)/8)²)² = ((√5 + 2)²)² = (4*√5 + 9)² = 72*√5 + 161

  • @Valdagast
    @Valdagast 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't know if I'm more impressed by the maths or the neat handwriting.

  • @italixgaming915
    @italixgaming915 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You overcomplicated this poor little thing. Once you wrote that x²=x+1 you have:
    x^3=x².x=(x+1).x=x²+x=2x+1
    x^6=(2x+1)²=4x²+4x+1=4.(x+1)+4x+1=8x+5
    x^12=(8x+5)²=64x²+80x+25=64.(x+1)+80x+25=144x+89
    So the value we are looking for is 72.(1+sqrt(5))+89=161+72.sqrt(5)

  • @user-wd8wx5md5z
    @user-wd8wx5md5z 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Simpler: once we get the relation x² = x + 1, we can obtain a recurrence relation for x^n.

  • @jagjeetmule2271
    @jagjeetmule2271 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Isn't it simple ✓5 = 2.2360 then +1 and whole ÷ 2 and then 1.618 to the power 12 = approx 322

  • @redalert2834
    @redalert2834 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Golden ratio to the power twelve. Powers of the golden ratio always approximate integers, in this case 322. If you need more accuracy, 322 minus 1/322 might well be good enough.

  • @user-lu9fg7pc9q
    @user-lu9fg7pc9q 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    3:31 this is an old way to write multiple pairs of parenthesis and not go insane trying to not make a mistake in closing them and if there was another one it would have been { }

  • @bushwalker6214
    @bushwalker6214 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is how to make a trivial task look hard and difficult by a long over-complicated solution.

  • @the-boy-who-lived
    @the-boy-who-lived 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This questions is lot easier if you recognize this is φ

  • @arekkrolak6320
    @arekkrolak6320 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    X is two straight lines crossing. What is this atrocity you are drawing? :)

    • @blacksmith67
      @blacksmith67 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      In most mathematics, x is like a sine wave from zero to 2πr with a diagonal line through it.
      I have seen his style of x before and it bugs me too.

    • @josepeixoto3384
      @josepeixoto3384 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      C'mon, it's so that you do not MIX it up with the x on 2x3=6

    • @justliberty4072
      @justliberty4072 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@josepeixoto3384 but nobody doing algebra ever writes 2x3...

  • @minchomilev
    @minchomilev 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    (½(1 + √5))¹² = (¼(1 + 2√5 + 5))⁶ = (¼(6 + 2√5))⁶ = (½(3 + √5))⁶ = (¼(9 + 6√5 + 5))³ = (½(7 + 3√5))³ = ⅛(343 + 441√5 + 945 + 125√5) = 161 + 72√5 I can't get it why you made it so complicated?

  • @stuey1979
    @stuey1979 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hasn’t no one tried simply using 1 and (1+sqrt5)/2 as the first two terms of a Fibonacci sequence, and calculating up to the 13th term of the progression to find the solution?
    It’s as simple as adding up terms.

  • @largepeep8710
    @largepeep8710 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I bet the actual exam had only 5 lines to do working in lmao

  • @samwong1349
    @samwong1349 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hard because the question is incomplete. Some sort of result format specification needed. Decimals? Rational number format etc

  • @kitesurf4life
    @kitesurf4life 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    with a tiny bit of mathematical knowledge you recognise immediately the golden ratio and you know it is a solution of x=x+1

  • @u2b83
    @u2b83 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My old HP49 was able to quickly evaluate it to 161+72*sqrt(5) lol
    My initial intuition was that maybe you could just go at it numerically and it would be faster than slinging algebra for 11+ minutes, ...and maybe get a closed-form answer numerically.
    Assuming Olympiad answers prefer round numbers you could also test integer solutions in the form a + b*sqrt(c) lol

  • @michaelqi5202
    @michaelqi5202 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    the way he wrote 1 is weird

    • @user-wd8wx5md5z
      @user-wd8wx5md5z 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Why ?? In what part of the world are you ?

    • @xl000
      @xl000 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I' m ok with his 1's
      But the b are really weird.
      It's like a combination of two cursive styles

  • @user-yb5cn3np5q
    @user-yb5cn3np5q วันที่ผ่านมา

    I almost went into a rant about how arithmetic over Z[phi] could be hard, but... you know, when 8% can solve it, it's a very simple problem, because 95% usually didn't even try.

  • @TgfYTorseanmartinezs
    @TgfYTorseanmartinezs 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for helping learn math. discover the math of reality. I stopped because I already know the answer.

  • @ClarkPotter
    @ClarkPotter 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If the appearance of 144 and 89 in the third to last line seems disappointingly inauspicious for a golden ratio power, take heart-they are Fibonacci numbers. This is a reassuring sign that we are indeed working with the golden ratio.

    • @jontallen3319
      @jontallen3319 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      jontalle.web.engr.illinois.edu/TEACH/AnInvitationToMathematicalPhys.pdf see page 71 or search for Fibonacci

  • @panchostanza8712
    @panchostanza8712 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Here's what everyone is missing:
    the solution demonstrated would be doable by anyone who has done basic algebra

  • @alessandropirisinu2625
    @alessandropirisinu2625 หลายเดือนก่อน

    [(1+sqrt(5))/2]^3 = 2+sqrt(5)
    [2+sqrt(5)]^2=9+4sqrt(5)
    [9+4sqrt(5)]^2=161+72sqrt(5)=[(1+sqrt(5))/2]^12

    • @franciscook5819
      @franciscook5819 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly how I solved it, too. You can do it in your head.

  • @black_eagle
    @black_eagle หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can go faster through the trivial algebra steps to save time. I think most people watching can handle it.

  • @mehdimarashi1736
    @mehdimarashi1736 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Only 8% of 6th graders I assume?

  • @red2060
    @red2060 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent !
    But, since minute 8, several confusions between = and =>

  • @DandoPorsaco-ho1zs
    @DandoPorsaco-ho1zs 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Being lazy and using brute force, A = ½(1 + √5) squared is ½(3 + √5) - this takes 5 seconds.
    ½(3 + √5) squared is ½(7 + 3√5) - this also takes 5 seconds.
    ½(7 + 3√5) squared is ½(47 + 21√5) - this takes maybe 30 seconds.
    Multiply A^4 x A^8 = ½(7 + 3√5) x ½(47 + 21√5) - this might take a minute or a bit more.
    The answer is ¼(644 + 288√5) = 161+72√5
    The whole thing takes 2 minutes, without any fancy technique of any sort.

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cube it first, as that eliminates the denominator. Then square twice. Super easy and fast. Try it and laugh at the narrator for taking the long and messy route.

  • @DanDirindon
    @DanDirindon 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    3 sol. with x=(1+r5)/2
    Common
    x2=(1+2r5+5)/4=(6+2r5)/4=(3+r5)/2
    x4=x2*x2=(9+6r5+5)/4=(14+6r5)/4=(7+3r5)/2
    x8=(49+42r5+45)/4=(94+42r5)/4=(47+21r5)/2
    x12=x8*x4=(329+141r5+147r5+315)/4=(644+288r5)/4=161+72r5
    Better
    x2=(1+2r5+5)/4=(6+2r5)/4=(3+r5)/2
    x4=x2*x2=(9+6r5+5)/4=(14+6r5)/4=(7+3r5)/2
    x6=x4*x2=(21+7r5+9r5+15)/4=(36+16r5)/4=9+4r5
    x12=x6*x6=81+72r5+80=161+72r5
    Easier
    x2=(1+2r5+5)/4=(6+2r5)/4=(3+r5)/2
    x3=x2*x=(3+3r5+r5+5)/4=(8+4r5)/4=2+r5
    x6=x3*x3=4+4r5+5=9+4r5
    x12=x6*x6=81+72r5+80=161+72r5

    • @DanDirindon
      @DanDirindon 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Considering x2=x+1 does not simplify enough.
      x4=(x+1)2=x2+2x+1=x+1+2x+1=3x+2
      x6=x4*x2=(3x+2)(x+1)=3x2+3x+2x+2=3x+3+5x+2=8x+5
      x12=x6*x6=(8x+5)*2=64x2+80x+25=64x+64+80x+25=144x+89=72*(1+r5)+89=161+72r5