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  • @izzy4reel
    @izzy4reel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +908

    As a bankruptcy attorney, this is one of the most accurate videos on bankruptcy that I have seen. Props to you guys. I would like to clear up a few points though:
    1) Student loans ARE dischargable in bankruptcy, though the criteria make it functionally impossible for the vast majority of people. (Look up the Brunner test)
    2) The bankruptcy exemptions in most states mean that the vast majority of people who file Chapter 7 keep everything after filing. Having filed about 2500+ petitions myself, I have had clients get assets liquidated only a handful of times.
    3) Tax debts ARE dischargable, both in Chapter 7 and Chapter 13 for most tax debts that are at least three years old, subject to a few fairly straightforward criteria.
    4) You can easily get credit cards and most other forms of credit right after bankruptcy. Like, right after. You won't get the best rates though. Whether getting back into debt is a good idea is a whole other matter.
    5) Chapter 7 is definitely simple and fast for most people. (Often under $2000 in costs and 4 months start to finish to wipe out tens of thousands in debt). Chapter 13 is far more onerous.
    6) While Chapter 7 is usually not too difficult for many people without an attorney, Chapter 13 is incredibly difficult without one. Having said that, you won't know if your case needs an attorney until you consult with one :) Most will do a free consultation.

    • @MusicalInquisit
      @MusicalInquisit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      They should really pin this comment. This is gold.

    • @AndrewBrowner
      @AndrewBrowner 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      so wheres this free money coming from? is the govermenting paying the debts or are the companies you owe it to just taking a loss... say you sell someone a car and a year into payments they file bankrupcy.. so now you cant get the car back and they dont owe you a cent?

    • @izzy4reel
      @izzy4reel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@AndrewBrowner bankruptcy renders debts uncollectible, so the creditors take a loss. In the case of a secured debt like a car loan, you cannot file bankruptcy to get rid of the debt but still keep the car unless you make payments for the car. The bankruptcy code has many provisions built into it to prevent abuse of the bankruptcy system.

    • @naveenkala987
      @naveenkala987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Looking for clients?😂

    • @npip99
      @npip99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@AndrewBrowner This money comes from interest rates. Mortgages have a low interest rate because its very rare for them to file for bankruptcy. Credit cards have a very high interest rate because people fk up all the time with them. That's why when you have good credit or are part of a credit union, you get better interest rates, because the creditors can calculate the percentage chance that you'll go bankrupt and make adjustments if they think you're trustworthy.

  • @dylanpierce1419
    @dylanpierce1419 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1422

    I love watching the one that's not talking when they're both on screen. It's endearing and awkward.

    • @tommygannett3217
      @tommygannett3217 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I Know right

    • @emilywilliams8447
      @emilywilliams8447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Glad I'm not the only one 😂

    • @ChonyiR
      @ChonyiR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      why did i only just notice this 😂

    • @SuicideBunny6
      @SuicideBunny6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Literally what I've been doing during this video.

    • @therealpaulreiser
      @therealpaulreiser 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I've never noticed that before... and now it's the ONLY thing I notice!

  • @Rochelletrem
    @Rochelletrem 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +417

    Bankruptcy is a legal process that individuals or businesses can undergo when they are unable to repay their debts. It provides a framework for financial relief and a fresh start. There are different types of bankruptcy, such as Chapter 7 and Chapter 13 in the United States, each with its own rules and implications. Bankruptcy can have long-term effects on one's credit and financial standing, so it's essential to carefully consider the decision and seek professional advice when facing overwhelming debt.

    • @ilyaveysman.
      @ilyaveysman. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

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    • @AbdoolLogodesign
      @AbdoolLogodesign 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

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    • @Jessicahensley.
      @Jessicahensley. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

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    • @AbdoolLogodesign
      @AbdoolLogodesign 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

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    • @Jessicahensley.
      @Jessicahensley. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

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  • @steveantonioni
    @steveantonioni 4 ปีที่แล้ว +649

    Everyone: Files Chapter 7 or Chapter 13
    Michael Scott: "I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!"

    • @deltactarchives1328
      @deltactarchives1328 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Bills: A'ight fam I'm gonna go then.

    • @OpenSourceStudent
      @OpenSourceStudent 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh hey Cash College I found you again xD

    • @zayneali3148
      @zayneali3148 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cuts his credit cards right after 😂😂,

  • @CarlosPerez-hl6hc
    @CarlosPerez-hl6hc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1936

    Damn being a student in the US is almost financial suicide.

    • @jjohnston94
      @jjohnston94 4 ปีที่แล้ว +193

      It happened within not my lifetime, but during my career. When I went to college, tuition was $600 a semester. Now I hear about students with $100,000 debt and they're not doctors or lawyers. I'd wonder what happened, but I know full well.

    • @sherlytanco2835
      @sherlytanco2835 4 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      True. I wouldn’t dare to go to college in the US. Slavery is all i see.

    • @Watch-0w1
      @Watch-0w1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      I blame all those fake colleges. Don't ever trust anything if it sound easy. I learn that the hard way.

    • @lang8097
      @lang8097 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I was going to argue but I guess you're right. No matter the major you go to, nothing is guaranteed.

    • @kasomoru6
      @kasomoru6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@don1041 get out while you can!

  • @stevenaziz
    @stevenaziz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +468

    “If there were onnnnly a place to learn these lessons BEFOREHAND...” lol what a savage 😂

    • @kasomoru6
      @kasomoru6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Sounds like an idea called school, but why would they want to teach us there?

    • @JoelJames2
      @JoelJames2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      What's that? I can't hear you over this performing arts class I'm required to take.

    • @MicahBuzanANIMATION
      @MicahBuzanANIMATION 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Brent Janney The government knows it, everyone knows it. Some schools are better than others. My public school was pretty good, but most importantly we now have free resources like educational youtube channels that can supplement sub par school experiences.

  • @xhuang101
    @xhuang101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +401

    Whew, student loans are becoming overwhelming. Luckily I can file for bankrupt.... wait a minute....

    • @3DPT
      @3DPT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Yeah, about that,... student loans have you by the balls until death. Literally. The only reliable discharge is coded 3dn for death of borrower. Bankruptcy just holds your loan (which still racks up interest daily) while you deal with the courts... i serviced loans, and i saw people in ch 7/13 double the amount owed while they were in court...man were they surprised when they came out of Ch 7/13 only to find out that student loans were worse then before on top of the cluster fusvk bankruptcy just did to them.

    • @mycelia_ow
      @mycelia_ow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@thenetgamer2 or just change your identity in a first world country. Go to Sweden and look on the deepweb for fake birth certificates and citizenship

    • @thenetgamer2
      @thenetgamer2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mycelia_ow I'm not even doubting you, and that's sad; Sweden...

    • @chris0000924
      @chris0000924 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank the Clintons

    • @gabrielbarrantes6946
      @gabrielbarrantes6946 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Get a useful degree and stop crying, fuking blues

  • @bigwheelfromspidamahn1037
    @bigwheelfromspidamahn1037 4 ปีที่แล้ว +206

    “I declare *BANCKRUPTCYYYYYYYYYYY*”
    “That’s not how it works you can’t just say it”
    “I dint say it I declared it”

    • @anthonydalton6054
      @anthonydalton6054 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I did use the services of a programmer called Michael Gibbs from Credit Patch Up LLC to get rid of bankruptcies and hard inquireis off my credit report and my score was also boosted to 790+ within few days. You can get to him via [Gibbs@creditPatchup.com] if you're in need of any credit help or advice.

  • @Luxyglamlife
    @Luxyglamlife 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I filled for chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2013 and a year later I was able to get a loan on a car for 4,000. I was also able to get a few credit card starting at $300. I made my payments early and paid more than the minimum. Now my credit score has tripled from 420 in 2013 to 736 in 2019. My credit limit on my cards are extremely high. Higher than ever before. I think it was a very wise decision. I’m so much better at budgeting now , I own stocks and I’m saving up to buy a house in 2 years.

    • @studioq4560
      @studioq4560 ปีที่แล้ว

      interest rates go brrrrr

    • @killermogle
      @killermogle ปีที่แล้ว

      Even though this is three years old, taking on record-high levels of housing debt after filing for bankruptcy doesn't seem like the best move.

    • @Floyd_Steel
      @Floyd_Steel ปีที่แล้ว

      What if you do this but you have a lot of student loan debt, Can your score still go up?

    • @amaninawhale8061
      @amaninawhale8061 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Tripled would be 1260 and doubled would be 840.

  •  4 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    I just came here expecting that The Office clip... and I'm satisfied

    • @_baller
      @_baller 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alán García BANKRUPTCYYYY

    • @AshleyCMoore
      @AshleyCMoore 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Got mine up from 520 to 794 in less than 15 business days!!! LITERALLY squealed and jumped up and down when I checked it! Credit is one of the most important things of being an adult to learn in life and I’m grateful to Mr Jon Goven [jon@creditpatchup.com] who helped me.. Please please teach your children from a young age about credit and financial responsibility. Though many adults are not even educated sufficiently on credit and finances.. which is why every school should have a mandatory credit/money management class given to all students. So very important for our youthful start out with good habits

  • @Spondre
    @Spondre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +155

    Having been involved in one personal bankruptcy, two as an employee and multiple times as an investor I can say that a good bankruptcy lawyer on your side is worth their weight in gold and a bad lawyer on the other side is worth twice as much.

    • @ykl1277
      @ykl1277 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      How much does your lawyer weight? So I can work out how much they're worth for science.

    • @mildsoup8978
      @mildsoup8978 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why so many as an investor? As in the companies you've invested in went bankrupt? And what happens to your investment if they do?

    • @mildsoup8978
      @mildsoup8978 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also were the ones as an employee for a small business? Or a large corporation

    • @Spondre
      @Spondre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ykl1277 One of the lawyers weighed a -100 kg but my personal one was a lightweight at only 4 kg.

    • @Spondre
      @Spondre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@mildsoup8978 Investing is risky. A lot of start-ups go bankrupt or dilute out the initial investor so much that it amounts to the same thing. I have a lawyer write things very carefully so that my investment is a secure as possible. i.e. I invest in a holding company. The holding company holds a bunch of other companies. One holds the intellectual property of the start-up, another holds the equipment, buildings etc. The actual start-up licences the IP, leases equipment etc. from these companies and also pays all salaries, bills and acquires all debt. That way when it fails the losses are nothing to do with me. (There could be a 2 Cents video in this.)

  • @jamesdunkerson2908
    @jamesdunkerson2908 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    The one thing my bankruptcy attorney said that really stood out is that most people wait too long and put themselves through too much before they file for bankruptcy.

    • @theemptylegend0
      @theemptylegend0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      James Dunkerson That’s really sad

    • @seamusobrien3436
      @seamusobrien3436 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Blame a lot of the supposed financial talk show guys like Dave Ramsey, they want everyone to walk the righteous path, while guys like Him and Trump use the system to their advantage.

    • @charlesg7926
      @charlesg7926 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean of course he said that lmao. His job is to SELL YOU on hiring his bankruptcy services lol

    • @killermogle
      @killermogle ปีที่แล้ว

      @@seamusobrien3436 Dave Ramsey himself filed bankruptcy on three million in debt, which is why he preaches against debt today. The righteous path that you're detesting is basically don't spend more than you can afford.

    • @newp848
      @newp848 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@seamusobrien3436and the irony is both have filed for bankruptcy

  • @chenaywong5188
    @chenaywong5188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Before watching this thinking in my head *“if they don’t play the office clip I don’t know what to do”*

  • @chandrangmakwana252
    @chandrangmakwana252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    I knew Michael Scott was coming when I read Bankruptcy..

  • @nalikepanda4006
    @nalikepanda4006 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I'm a post millennial and I'm financially literate, thanks to you guys

  • @secretnobody6460
    @secretnobody6460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Before i was angry i was born in a 3rd world country. Wishing that i could be in the USA. As i grew older and realized what was going on especially the student loans. Im glad i graduated at a 3rd world university but it was affordable and cheap. Didnt have debts. My first job salary didnt go to student loans but straight to my pocket 😂

    • @likeadino8580
      @likeadino8580 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What country did you come from?

    • @angelas5099
      @angelas5099 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Let me guess. Indian?

    • @redrockbro3679
      @redrockbro3679 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@angelas5099 Of course, wishing to be in USA checks out, Affordable and cheap checks out, little to no debt checks out, and just roasting america in general checks out

  • @shadmanigat2232
    @shadmanigat2232 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    I'm a teenager and my parent is too poor
    I'm looking for a strategy to escape poverty
    that's my story
    I'm in Haiti now

    • @sensiblewheels
      @sensiblewheels 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Hi there. The best way to escape poverty, is by fighting for basic education and then some. Once you graduate, things will start turning around. If not your country, atlest in the West so be on the lookout. All the best kid.

    • @npip99
      @npip99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You'll have to try to come to the US, but lots of other people have the same plan, so its kind of hard. If you're still in HS, try applying to a community college. You'll be able to get a student visa. You can pay for it by working some minimum wage job. Just don't go to any private college or for-profit, they'll rip you off and you won't be able to pay off the loan.

    • @dontfeelcold
      @dontfeelcold 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hard focused work is the best strategy

    • @Maxxrevv
      @Maxxrevv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hard work and persistence

    • @thefirsttime7759
      @thefirsttime7759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rip

  • @vedad1102
    @vedad1102 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Usually everyone has a formula
    Income - expenses = Savings
    This concepts tends to increase the chances of inability to payback loans
    But if someone accept and understands
    "Income - Saving = Expenses"
    You won't need to borrow in the first place.
    And if have already done it. It would be super easy to pay back .
    Happy minting.

    • @liladuter856
      @liladuter856 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Poverty = solved

    • @richardwieder885
      @richardwieder885 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For this reason, I always pay myself first. My emergency fund and financial buildup to a CD comes first before any other expense.

    • @seamusobrien3436
      @seamusobrien3436 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sadly lots of Bankruptcy is cause because of things BEYOND your control, like a health crisis, a family member's health issue, job loss, unexpected large repairs , or a combination of these all happening at the worst possible moment.. not everyone who is having money woes is just a spendthrift

  • @CreativeMindsAudio
    @CreativeMindsAudio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    After a long term medical issue and not working, I had to file for chapter 7 bankruptcy in February this year. Before my medical issues (some of which were from a car accident) i had 10k of savings and an 800 credit score with no debt and saving 1k a month, so i'm good with money for sure. After the bankruptcy was discharged in June, I have been able to get a credit card with a very small limit (750) and have built my credit score up to 665 and rising every month. The only way this has effected my life is that i couldn't get a loan for a new iPhone and had to save up for a month praying my phone didn't die (it eventually had severe issues charging and was nearly 4 years old had a friend give me a charger since his worked while mine didn't). Anyway eventually got a new one and am doing a lot better off financially. wish I didn't have the B on my name, but here we are. I'd be fine if we had medicare for all or something similar, but we don't live in a world like that. Supposedly it's the #1 reason people go bankrupt, which is so messed up. It should never be a reason. Someone wanted to not die so they had to go bankrupt.
    In any case I am grateful it's even an option for medical debt. wish it was also an option for student loan debt. At least i don't have the stress fo 1k in minimum credit card and medical payments like i did last year.

  • @mindleaves
    @mindleaves 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Another great video with valuable content! Thanks TWO CENTS;)

    • @dadbaby4191
      @dadbaby4191 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always. Thanks cents of 2

  • @zotac1018
    @zotac1018 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Can you please explain how business bankruptcy works?
    I think that would a really interesting topic and many people here will be interested .
    Drop a like if you agree.👍

  • @Jose-lc6nj
    @Jose-lc6nj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    5:22 can somebody explain why isn't this taught in school in the first place?

    • @carultch
      @carultch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Because teaching you that the past tense of teach is taught, is more important.

    • @Jose04537
      @Jose04537 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Because is "more important & useful" courses like "gender studies, anything with studies in the end but specifically gender studies".

    • @EscTabShift0
      @EscTabShift0 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      carultch imagine using a comma when you don’t have to

    • @MicahPotts
      @MicahPotts 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bc the system is only there to keep you down mannnn.

    • @musicmonkey5798
      @musicmonkey5798 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But it is....just take the right classes

  • @CAAnmoldeepsingh
    @CAAnmoldeepsingh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Speaking of debt slavery, most Indians who were taken to the Caribbeans and South America by the British through East India company were bonded labourers, since slavery was banned by the British parliament early on they couldn't engage in slavery, so they came out with a very British scheme. If a farmer's crop fails or he fails to make his return on the crop he'd be given a loan with atrocious conditions of land pledging and a horrendous rate of interest which any farmer wouldn't be able to pay, so then his land would be ceased and he'd have to work to gain it back by paying the loan, but his monthly income would only cover the interest portion thereby caging him in an eternal cycle of debt slavery. Now the genius was that, the company was governing those territories and they were the tax collectors and the main buyers of those crops, so they had a ready supply of these "bonded labourers" whenever needed. All they had to do was marginally increase their taxes and then cut the prices of crops or just let the crop lay their and waste and then pay little for the low quality crop or buy only a portion of crop that would meet their set standards of that crop. This vicious cycle was repeated on generations until it was stopped by the British parliament. Sweet sweet colonialism!!!!!

    • @apostate7900
      @apostate7900 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao that's so metal.

  • @victorialazareva
    @victorialazareva 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I was waiting to see the Office clip :D You did not disappoint!

  • @RiggyRonnie
    @RiggyRonnie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's amazing how many people are living like this. Youd think their life is amazing driving around a brand new car and going on vacations, but it's hell

    • @sheisbeetee
      @sheisbeetee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah it is but the BK can be deleted off your report. Life is MUCH better after deleted!

  • @MikeBNumba6
    @MikeBNumba6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Use credit cards to pay student loans. Declare bankruptcy on credit cards and bam!!! No more student loans.
    I'm here for any other financial advice. :)

    • @gnarthemissinglink7541
      @gnarthemissinglink7541 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Or maybe don’t apply for loans you can’t pay back

    • @virgil9940
      @virgil9940 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@gnarthemissinglink7541 Like any 17 or 18 year old is going to be financially literate enough to know exactly what they're getting into. Especially when most parents are living paycheck to paycheck and college is drilled into high schoolers heads as the only option to success.

    • @nadiaelisian7335
      @nadiaelisian7335 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      And if you put them on credit cards that give you travel points...boom! You can be bankrupt and still
      Go on vacation. I always pay my taxes on cc’s with travel points because the government gets a little and I get a little. Everyone wins!!!

    • @MikeBNumba6
      @MikeBNumba6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@nadiaelisian7335 I like the way you think

    • @VexylObby
      @VexylObby 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gnarthemissinglink7541 Except education is a requirement more than ever, and a necessity commodified to hell.

  • @weirdnomad8868
    @weirdnomad8868 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just a correction. When I filed for Chapter 7 I got credit card offers in the mail right after my debts were discharged.

    • @charlesg7926
      @charlesg7926 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes and they would’ve charged you obscenely high rates to profit from your misery lol

  • @davecrupel2817
    @davecrupel2817 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:12 i was approaching that point about a month ago. I go to trade school full time and, for the longest time, had only 1 part time job.
    Then i got a 2nd job. Just 3 weeks before this comment was made.
    Now i have doubled my income. And can pay my debts well above the minimum and still have some left over.
    What a relief!

  • @josephkuper23
    @josephkuper23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    you had me at 0:40

  • @chanmarr8118
    @chanmarr8118 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I swear you guys are spying on me! I was considering declaring bankruptcy due to unemployment and going back to school. Thank you for your informative videos!!!

  • @CleverDoughKids
    @CleverDoughKids 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    😳😲😳😲Great video but you forgot to mention one very important factor. You did mention the stress being in debt brings on but I just want anyone watching this to know that bankruptcy is not always your own fault. When I was talking to a bankruptcy adviser a few months ago, she pointed out the 3 MAIN reasons for Bankruptcy. That the stigma is that if you are filing for bankruptcy then you have obviously been bad with your money. BUT that's not actually true!
    Yes, bad money management skills can definitely lead you to bankruptcy, but the vast majority of bankruptcy filers actually fall into these three categories: divorce, job loss and medical illness. That's why it's SOOO important to start funding a 'Rainy day' account as soon as you can, like TODAY, while you also build your financial literacy and learn how how to master your money.
    Life is known for throwing us all kinds of obstacles, but after a divorce, two job losses (dealing with social anxiety at trying to get your next jot) and almost dying in a coma and finally waking up with a new physical disability, can happen. Take it from someone who has been through 4 times out of all 3! Yes, I know that math is odd, but it's true!
    And while you're at it, don't stop at just starting your own Rainy day fund and increasing your own financial literacy, make sure you teach your children about money too so they'll never have to go through any of that. Debt is one of the largest factors of suicides!
    This is serious business! But there is a way out and watching and learning from wonderful teachers, like Two Cents, is a great way to start! Big hugs.😳😲

    • @xsamsungg5735
      @xsamsungg5735 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not having back-up money in case of unforseen emergencies is a result of poor financial literacy, though.

    • @exantiuse497
      @exantiuse497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      theheroinfather So if someone's child gets cancer, chemo costs $60 000/year and insurance company refuses to pay, then it's that person's own fault he didn't have an extra $60 000/year to spare, right

    • @xsamsungg5735
      @xsamsungg5735 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@exantiuse497 I wouldn't know, in the country that I live the state makes sure you don't have to pay a dime for life threatening medical emergencies like that...

    • @Samanthayeoqy
      @Samanthayeoqy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's another that makes it especially bad, "Trust" there is quite a number of people bankrupted cause they trusted a family member or friend and signed as guarantors to find that they ran away. Thats a double kick.

    • @Samanthayeoqy
      @Samanthayeoqy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xsamsungg5735 if that someone has even 10% of that 60k. Then they should be able to make the first month or 2 payments first. Then have at least not the stress and pressure of needing imeadiate money to make bettery financial decisions. Try selling a house quickly versus having an week or 2 . You get better offers, you get to talk to your insurance provider or get another one. Its a big difference

  • @travisgrudzinskas8384
    @travisgrudzinskas8384 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wish my dad had known enough about bankruptcy to find a way to keep the house when I was a teenager... That was rough.

  • @PixelBoyMiner
    @PixelBoyMiner 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Ahh yes, everything is dischargeable except for the 1 thing that would enable you make enough money to pay them off (student loans)

  • @TheHumphrey367
    @TheHumphrey367 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How come they dont teach us about bankrupcy in school? I feel like this is very important along with loans and interest rates.

    • @cadejust6777
      @cadejust6777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      12. th-cam.com/video/TDLMUvIkKPQ4/w-d-xo.html5

  • @ebbiesweetngood9966
    @ebbiesweetngood9966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Had a family file Bankruptcy and bought new car following week. Seriously can someone help me understand why this is allowed.

    • @liranpiade4499
      @liranpiade4499 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Nicholas Little-Brother they'll probably just file again

    • @Jasonsmith-sr1ke
      @Jasonsmith-sr1ke 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because the banks and big companies will always be secure and get bailed out from the government. Remember 2008?

    • @izzy4reel
      @izzy4reel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a free country. Lenders are free to extend credit as they wish. To answer your question more directly, a person fresh out of bankruptcy may be an acceptable credit risk because they have little other debt.

  • @jaketyler7088
    @jaketyler7088 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:35 Everyone was thinking Michael Scott seconds before they even showed it, but I can't believe they actually put it in the video.

  • @luisjiron8154
    @luisjiron8154 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow.... you guys are a blessing to have come out of TH-cam. I have been learning so much about how to handle my finances thanks to you guys. I will be a loyal subscriber for as long as you guys keep creating quality content. You have my undying support.

  • @ayblackie5472
    @ayblackie5472 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "I declareeeee! ..... Bankruptcyyyyyy!!!
    ~~ Michael Scott.

  • @HinesBrad
    @HinesBrad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What I wish I had known beforehand:
    - I'd spend a lot less time worrying about the side effects; There is zero long term stigma
    - Be more strategic (have.a working car before I declare. Have money set aside for emergencies because credit will be much harder to get.)
    - You'll get credit card offers days after filing. Don't use these. But do get a small secured credit card with a local credit union to rebuild credit. I've seen credit scores in the upper 600s within 2 years of filing with good payment history.
    - First Premier Bank and other scummy lenders are a rip off. Don't use them.
    - a lot of credit unions will use 2 years of good credit card payment history as the basis for a new car loan.
    - Discover, Capital One and Credit Unions often grant credit 2 years after bankruptcy. Don't bother with Amex, Chase, Wells or BofA.
    - Good car = Good Transportation = Good Mobility for job opportunities == More money in pocket.
    - Negotiate attorney's fees. If you show up with names, addresses, creditor balances due and a credit report the attorney will likely charge you far less as there's a lot less work for them to do. Easy clients pay less.
    - Wealthy people use bankruptcy strategically. Why not you?
    - Most bankruptcy comes from student loans, medical debt and lost jobs
    - NEVER steal from your retirement to pay for debts that can be discharged in bankruptcy. Go bankrupt before raiding 401Ks or IRAs. And always use credit cards or loans before borrowing against these assets.
    - You can negotiate past due balances with creditors for pennies on the dollar. Refuse to pay if they don't remove credit blemishes. You can also tell them to stop calling period. If they don't, sue. Fair Debt Collection Practices act protects you.
    - You can charge bankruptcy costs to a credit card.
    - Don't run up a huge debt before bankruptcy.
    - The moment a collection agency calls about a bill 60 days past due is when I'd consider file.
    - Banks are not your friends.

  • @julzrtw
    @julzrtw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Still waiting on that pyramid scheme/mlm video.... people need to know!!!!

    • @smokestack29
      @smokestack29 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They already did. See link:
      th-cam.com/video/7iww5zIuzyA/w-d-xo.html

  • @noreaction1
    @noreaction1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    So if I make minimum wage I can just file for bankruptcy if I can’t pay my medical bill? $8 an hour is barely 17k a year before taxes and deductions, I’m broke

    • @monicaloveslindy
      @monicaloveslindy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Medical bills (in my state) do not impact your credit score, or even end up on your credit report. I would never not pay other bills to catch up on medical debt. It's always there and not paying it won't get your lights shut off or kicked out on the street.

    • @izzy4reel
      @izzy4reel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Consult with a bankruptcy lawyer. It's usually free.

    • @DC-ct8tv
      @DC-ct8tv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just don't pay medical bills, nothing they can do

  • @Zeakuro
    @Zeakuro 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    After filing bankruptcy my credit scores went up quite a bit and me and my wife were both able to get unsecured credit cards pretty quickly afterwards. I was also approved for two auto loans a few months after bankruptcy. We are keeping our expenses manageable and using it to build credit. Filing bankruptcy does not mean you can't get these things though. You can even be approved for a mortgage 1 to 2 years after filing.

    • @3DPT
      @3DPT 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So you were bad with money once, then asked for more just to worship a FICO credit score? You're not responsible, you're a target for banks and debt collectors.

    • @itrthho
      @itrthho 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Prior to the 1990s, seems to be when creditors had a stigma against those who filed.

  • @kpatelv607
    @kpatelv607 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm not sure if this has been done already or not, but could you make a video on building net worth? Why should you do it, how can you use it, and how a student in debt fresh out of college can possibly benefit from building net worth?

  • @sonaliverma1218
    @sonaliverma1218 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the video couldn't have been complete without "I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY" 😂

    • @cadejust6777
      @cadejust6777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      13. th-cam.com/video/TDLMUvIkKPQ9/w-d-xo.html0

  • @manasmahanand732
    @manasmahanand732 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "Today debt slavery is a figure of speech as opposed to real slavery", sadly not true in India and Saudi Arabia... There are some people who yet make the poor their slave with debt bondage... It is illegal, but not many poor people know it is illegal so they are being exploited...

  • @thehollyannrose
    @thehollyannrose 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Jeeze my old roommate made it sound like a cake walk when he threatened to do lmaoooo

  • @kalpeshkalal7736
    @kalpeshkalal7736 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Michael Scott : I DECLARE BANKRUPTCYYYYY!!

    • @anthonydalton6054
      @anthonydalton6054 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did use the services of a programmer called Michael Gibbs from Credit Patch Up LLC to get rid of bankruptcies and hard inquireis off my credit report and my score was also boosted to 790+ within few days. You can get to him via [Gibbs@creditPatchup.com] if you're in need of any credit help or advice.

  • @azrael4457
    @azrael4457 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought bankruptcy is where some company is so broke that they couldn't continue running it anymore. Although bankruptcy is still foreign to me, I now gained some knowledge about it that I could use in the future.

  • @valueStocks
    @valueStocks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love the office reference. 😂

  • @MasticinaAkicta
    @MasticinaAkicta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah, I know someone who went through bankruptcy just about a year ago. 500k in debts... 230k in creditcard debts. How do I know? Because they are public records!
    And now he has 6-7 years of trying to push through.
    I worry, he seems to have a mobile game addiction. And doesn't seems to have learned a lot about the situation. I wonder if in 2-3 years he finds out you can't request another bankruptcy that soon.

  • @dbadaddy7386
    @dbadaddy7386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a creditor, bankruptcy does not forgive the debtor's debt. It only prevents legal enforcement of collection efforts. I don't have to pretend the debt was paid or didn't exist. I simply cannot take efforts to collect it, including reporting it to collection agencies or credit bureaus. If the debtor asks me for more credit, I most certainly can refuse on the basis of not paying the existing debt. Now, usually by then the debt has been dealt with through writing it off so it no longer appears in the accounting books, and I could ignore it and issue more credit. But I can also legally refuse on the basis of failure to pay the prior debt. If you've screwed me once, regardless of the reason, I'm not obligated to let you do it again.

    • @cadejust6777
      @cadejust6777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      5. th-cam.com/video/TDLMUvIkKPQ6/w-d-xo.html

  • @Iffy50
    @Iffy50 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a great video! I knew a few things about bankruptcy, but this video just quadrupled my knowledge.

  • @monique1163
    @monique1163 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The fact that you used an Office reference is an automatic thumbs up😄

  • @Crashed131963
    @Crashed131963 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I declared bankruptcy 6 times .
    Debt be gone , it's awesome.

    • @sheisbeetee
      @sheisbeetee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      John - really ??? we should talk maybe? I can delete off your report.

    • @sheisbeetee
      @sheisbeetee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Varoon people like who? Until you have walked in my shoes, do not judge me. I am talking about myself and my BK. >>>>>I also deleted it.

    • @scarletangel1997
      @scarletangel1997 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How on earth did you have to file 6 times?! Aren’t you worried about your credit score?!

    • @sheisbeetee
      @sheisbeetee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scarletangel1997 I am not sure if he is kidding. I can delete it :)

    • @averyt6521
      @averyt6521 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scarletangel1997 ways to do wat he do

  • @TheAfroSamurah
    @TheAfroSamurah 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This kinda thing should be taught in schools

  • @santosbalbuena6323
    @santosbalbuena6323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a poor-middle class hispanic 21 year old with an AA and looking for a Bachelors soon, I still do not understand the logic of getting a student loan. The debtor is a slave to the lender.

  • @rodneyroque4129
    @rodneyroque4129 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Creed Bratton:
    Bankruptcy, Michael, is nature's do-over. It's a fresh start. It's a clean slate.
    Michael Scott:
    Like the Witness Protection Program.
    Creed Bratton:
    [simultaneously] Exactly.
    Oscar Martinez:
    [simultaneously] Not at all.

  • @erdafaandikri6780
    @erdafaandikri6780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:32 AMOGUS???!!!! THE IMPOSTOR IS SUSSS 🥶🥶👿👿👿😏😏☹️😩😩😩💥💥💥

  • @ShaudaySmith
    @ShaudaySmith 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I saw that Michael Scott joke coming just from reading the title... i still laughed when it came around.

  • @simplymaci
    @simplymaci 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m glad you included that clip of Michael 😂

  • @seangrogan3622
    @seangrogan3622 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Schiffy Scharlozzo is that you? I recognise the moustache

  • @larryheim917
    @larryheim917 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my experience, do not make a mayor expenditure like a home if one’s spouse is unwilling to curtail spending habits to afford the home.

  • @dguaracha123
    @dguaracha123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Idk sounds like slavery still😭

    • @SuperDancingmanatee
      @SuperDancingmanatee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Its a bit like slavery, but with extra steps.

    • @GerasimSimov
      @GerasimSimov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That's why it is called "Modern Slavery"(atleast by some people)

    • @totalolage
      @totalolage 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yup it's slavery with the extra step of agreeing to it first (except for tax debt or bogus child support I guess)

    • @carultch
      @carultch 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      There will always exist slavery. You just get to choose your own master.

    • @gnarthemissinglink7541
      @gnarthemissinglink7541 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s consensual slavery

  • @personalfinancedeclutter5803
    @personalfinancedeclutter5803 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bankruptcy costs money. I like Micheal Scott's method of just shouting the word if it comes to it. lol.

    • @izzy4reel
      @izzy4reel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can apply to have the fees waived to do it yourself, so that would be free :)

  • @klwthe3rd
    @klwthe3rd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Funny how consumers of bankruptcy services need to jump through so many hoops yet when multi billion dollar corporations need this help, they just receive it.

  • @karrakingston3261
    @karrakingston3261 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a bankruptcy lawyer id like to clear something up people get new credit cards right after they get their discharge. That could be within 4 months of your bankruptcy i dont know anyone who has had to wait years to get credit cards again.

  • @aanuodebode6512
    @aanuodebode6512 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like how you’ll broke it down in a way for me to understand.

  • @kingalexanderiofyugoslavia1390
    @kingalexanderiofyugoslavia1390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So basically, when you go to primary and secondary school (grade school and highschool) in the USA you don't receive any significant or at least basic financial education until you are bankrupt. I'm moving to Norway or Germany

  • @many244
    @many244 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i literally came here because of the office and you guys put the scene on the edition... legends

  • @Starski43
    @Starski43 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Carefully calculate interest when estimating the debts you are considering filing bankruptcy on. It may be difficult to get clarity from the creditors on how much interest that they claim that you owe: however, the courts seem to use only simple interest when it comes to calculating judgments already filed against a person.
    It also helps to check court public records to see if any creditors which hold judgments have voluntarily waived any interest to make their collection attempts appear generous and palatable to the court.
    BTW. Only one year of college for me before I ran out of $. Never went back. Stayed out of student debt. Thank God!
    I figure that a healthy chunk of college tuition goes to pay for college professor’s pensions, both working and retired. Perhaps someone can chime in with a percentage?

  • @geoffreymoseley7167
    @geoffreymoseley7167 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who ever the person or persons who came up with the rule that student loans cannot be discharged in bankruptcy should get a friggin' medal!

  • @norbertzagozdzon1433
    @norbertzagozdzon1433 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bankruptcy makes you lose 3 stability, all your mana points set to -100, your army is now half moral for the next 5 years and all buildings build in the last 5 years will be destroyed. That's all what you need to know

  • @REzado63
    @REzado63 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been asking for this episode since you guys started this channel thank you so much

  • @taaronjones
    @taaronjones 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    pause at 00:30

  • @joeybooks4758
    @joeybooks4758 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In some states you can have a warrant for arrest because of debt. You don't have to look far. In 1 state you can be arrested for not paying a traffic ticket in another for municipal fines for not painting walls or not having mini blinds. Why because the home owner did not have the money to do the upgrades. About 4 or 5 states with varying degrees of this that I causally know.

  • @mrmountainhiker9646
    @mrmountainhiker9646 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOL that "office" clip was so perfectly placed...best cold open you've done yet 😉

  • @cameronmcfarrin4587
    @cameronmcfarrin4587 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys have a good channel. Some of the financial literacy things yall talk about, I've already been doing, but some of this is informative.

  • @thenetgamer2
    @thenetgamer2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Debt Bondage, huh, that's an interesting way to spell slavery.

  • @theskeletonappearsinthisco5896
    @theskeletonappearsinthisco5896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:33 AMONG US HE SAID AMONGS US HAHA SUS SUSSY BAKA AMOGUS IMPOSTER SUSSUS AMOGUS AMONGUS AOMGUS

    • @cadejust6777
      @cadejust6777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      6. th-cam.com/video/TDLMUvIkKPQ8/w-d-xo.html

  • @mktemple476
    @mktemple476 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish his lawyer had not been so disorganized! He kept asking for paperwork already provided! Sometimes it had to be provided 3 times before he realized he had it. (Personally, I think the man waited too long to retire.)

  • @PereiraMichael19
    @PereiraMichael19 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you guys please do a video on life insurance and if it’s a good idea

  • @j8lech
    @j8lech 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you’re considering bankruptcy due to credit card debt, medical debt, or private school loans, or any other unsecured loans, even payday loans; I highly suggest looking into a debt resolution company, or settling with creditors yourself. It saved me a ton of money and my long term credit profile, whereas bankruptcy literally more or less, follows you around for life like a permanent black mark.

  • @manikenpachi2760
    @manikenpachi2760 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love you guys!!! I learn so much with you! I wish you was my teacher in my high school years! Because the teachers I had before didn’t teach me shit.

  • @RumSoviet
    @RumSoviet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seems pretty evil that you can't remove student debt in bankruptcy, particularly in the us. It makes sense in Australia, where its an essentially interest free loan that is paid with your taxes. But the US sounds like its mostly like a bank loan from a private provider.

    • @tylerpeterson4726
      @tylerpeterson4726 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The vast majority of student loans in the US are from the government. Very few people need more money than the government would be willing to loan them. It is not an interest free loan, but some loans do not charge interest while the borrower is in school, and federal student loans can be eligible for forgiveness if you enroll in an income based repayment program. They payments are smaller, usually even less than the interest that collects during the month, but after 20 years the debt is forgiven.

  • @encryptorEJ
    @encryptorEJ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    why does my employee care if I file bankruptcy? I understand they ask about this, but how would it affect my job?

    • @wturner777
      @wturner777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know. It's just like how employers check your social media.

    • @izzy4reel
      @izzy4reel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is a non-discrimination clause in the bankruptcy code. Of course, an employer could always fire you and state a different reason.

    • @itrthho
      @itrthho 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They fear someone is desperate for money they are more likely to steal from them.

  • @ahhyesstoinks4058
    @ahhyesstoinks4058 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You know you're bankrupt when you have ton of debt and none the cash

  • @tobeytransport2802
    @tobeytransport2802 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is it with you Americans and all the forms! In the uk our employers file our taxes (PAYE) and then any additional forms (like passport forms) can be done online

  • @mukteshkumar6426
    @mukteshkumar6426 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Normally i watch videos at 2x but it is only your videos that i watch at 0.75x speed.
    😂

  • @reidmock2165
    @reidmock2165 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Philip's mustache is looking really good

  • @tammysilverwolf1085
    @tammysilverwolf1085 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Worth noting, there have been a couple cases of people getting student loans discharged by showing it was impossible to pay off in their current and future situation. Talking 6 figure debt (which is insane). It's still insane to me, but there have been people that got out of it!

  • @sasukeuchiha998
    @sasukeuchiha998 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    what? In Canada they are eligible as long as they are with the government and you meet the court requirements for bankruptcy or consumer proposal. You just pay the portion you are required to have then you simply write off the rest.

  • @arikosubumo2402
    @arikosubumo2402 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Breaking Bad vibes... to avoid bankruptcy.

  • @iTsBlue2
    @iTsBlue2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what's this thing about employer's looking at your credit score? I had 2 employer's checked my credit score back in 2017 and 2018. I was curious about it.

    • @sheisbeetee
      @sheisbeetee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      itsblue - employers want to know how that candidate for that job handles their personal finances. Scores and BK reflect that even though it may been beyond something you could control. With me, I had too much credit and lost my job. It was an expensive lesson. I deleted the BK off my report !!!

    • @prabinm4938
      @prabinm4938 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sheisbeetee how did you deleted bk off your report?

    • @sheisbeetee
      @sheisbeetee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@prabinm4938 I challenged the reporting. No laws that is has to be on your report. But there is a law about WHO furnishes the data for the report :) I offer this service if you would like to talk.

    • @prabinm4938
      @prabinm4938 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sheisbeeteeok thanks for the information. do you have an email where I can text you? thanks for the reply

    • @sheisbeetee
      @sheisbeetee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@prabinm4938 yes - fixtoday2020@yahoo .com

  • @S.Archer
    @S.Archer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Student loans can’t get bankrupted. Shit is with you for life.

  • @priusa8113
    @priusa8113 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What does disposable income mean? Thanks

  • @mantrax314
    @mantrax314 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bankruptcy Is awesome!

  • @THENAGES
    @THENAGES 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your channel is very educative.... You learn a lot in a short time

  • @gbaker9295
    @gbaker9295 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I could watch this all day

  • @jabarihasan1515
    @jabarihasan1515 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the office clip! Really enjoy the content you create! 🤗

  • @Donkeyearsa
    @Donkeyearsa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Student loans can be discharged in bankruptcy all depending on the persons personal situation. In most cases student loans won't be discharged but there are very limited situations where student loans can be and are discarched. If you are filling for bankruptcy it won't hurt you to throw it in with all your other depts just don't get your hopes up that you will be one of the very few people who have their student loans discharged. The two biggest situation categories that a person can find student loans discarched are a person that is at a old age and the other having a life long disability that provents you from being able to work.