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🎮 game name: Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 : Yuri's Revenge and mods
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I mean, the Slave Miner was meant to be an OP resource gatherer, so I wasn't surprised, but goddamn the War Miner is indeed the pride of the Working Class!
I knew that war miner have a lot more capacity than chrono miner but I didn't think it won out over all against fricking teleportation. That was quite surprising.
@@Alba_Longa Makes sense if you compare it with freight trains. You don't need to travel so much if you can just hold more cargo. Therefore chrono miners are useless. War miner also has a decent anti infantry gun too. But allies get that ore purifier. That balances the imbalance out somewhat. Not that anyone ever build that purifier in serious games though...
@@Alba_Longa War miner gathers at the same speed but collects 1000 vs 500, the time spent traveling back doesn't make much difference when it's already done twice as much.
Chrono miners advantage doesn't become clear until you're mining over a long distance and the enemy hits it with a terror drone.
@@defectpawn7194 Or with a single Grizzly.
I used to debate with my friend which one was the fastest back in the school. I wish I could show him this video and tell him how my pride of the working class won over his pathetic teleporting truck.
Haha
Allied is still best at making money against ai because you can send a agent to steal money
@@duck8280 I suppose the Chrono miner only has the advantage if a cliff is in the way as the War would still have to go around. But yes I always preferred the War miner.
Its still debaitible, This only showed like a large open path most maps have a BUNCH of stuff in the way and attacking your workers
you can teleport the miner away from a Terror drone, you cant with a War Miner
thus in a realistic aproce? Teleporting is best
yes its better then Yuris im a yuri player and i know how annoying a fucken sniper or Desolator or such can fucken be
Means jack shit if they have a anti infantry trooper camping your shit 1 shotting your guys but leaving the miner alone coz it wont realy defend itself from the fucken sniper now will it nope!
but a Teleporter being able to teleport to safty with ore?
K thanks
this my friend is one of thouse showing things / statisics being mis leading
lol
The only catch to the Slave Miner: Anti-Infantry weapons, especially the Desolator can ruin your operations.
And anti-infantry, making the mobile refinery more vulnerable.
Which is an additional catch to anti vehicle which still destroys the harvester and liberates the slaves.
Snipers and virus's
For real though one sniper IFV and his life is hell.
@@defectpawn7194 used to promote my IFVs with this strategy all the time!
Soviets: We have machine guns
Allies: We have teleportation
Yuri: We have SHOVELS
Modders: I have ALL three!
Slave miners are equipped with machine guns though.
In Mental Omega
Yuri: We have Ghost
Feohn: We have TINY TURBO
Elton! Fetch a spade!
@@mazametteFoehn miners are fast and can repair vehicle units... Also they love you
I think the reason why the Chrono miner always ends up last is that while the journey is technically one-way for the chrono miner before teleporting, the war miner collects 1000 dollars worth of resources versus the 500 for the chrono miner. So what happens is that the chrono miner spends most of its time travelling while the war miner takes fewer round trips.
IF that were the case, they'd end up pretty much at the same time, what's causing the difference is that every time the chrono miner teleports, it has to go through the unloading animation.
@@Dkmasteris Well, the Chrono miner wasn't really that far behind here. I think one other factor is the ore regeneration. Since the chrono miner only mines half the amount, then teleports, it gives the ore a bit more time to regenerate. I think a better test here would be if they mined valuable minerals instead because they don't regrow. Also, I really wanna see the credits score so that I know they mined the exact same amount.
So interesting. War and Chrono should theoretically be close to identical. But, it looks like when the miners begin the ‘mining’ mode they prioritize mining patches close together, which makes sense. However the AI doesn’t pick patches very well to get a full load as fast as possible *before* they begin mining. Therefore it looks like the chrono miner wastes a small amount of efficiency going between small remaining patches it leaves behind. Fascinating lol
Put a simpler way, the ai is smarter about the patches it picks when the mining has begun, but is less smart about picking the patch to start with. Therefore, war miner mines out whole patches more efficiently because its not making as many trips.
I think the problem with the war and chrono is the routing set up, the first two return to the same spot from where they got full and had to return while the miners make an aoe effect as they have multiple inputs (slaves) so they cover round areas which is more effective than a single point, it would be interesting to see if we set up a predetermined routes to the chrono and war miners how efficient it would be vs the slave miner
Basically the ai from chrono and miner is select locations, finish patch continue with nearest if full return to drop and then return to same spot to continue
What is better ? A mining truck with sophisticated chrono device , or a dude with a shovel....
And I thought the War Miner collects even more followed by the Slave Miners which is the slowest. War Miner makes room for extra ore while Chrono Miner is of course, 50% less for the teleport ability, saving time.
But how does the Yuri one get the resources back of base?
Answer: it doesn’t.
Silly design 🤔
Everyone knew the slave miner faster than the other two, but it was hard to tell between the other two
Allies/Soviets: We use heavy vehicles to mine and Trasport ore, quickly and efficiently!
Yuri: Pathetic!
Chrono miner is the slowest but it's the most save way to make money. If someone attack your miner you just teleport it to base. War miner and slave miner could not escape that easly.
well its the slowest when ore is just next to refinery, that isnt the case lot of times
But the War- and Slave Miners have guns...
I feel like the other two miners have worse pathing than the slave miner. They leave little bits that they later come back for, while the slave miner is more methodical.
*Sniper looking at the Slave Miners*
“Oh boy! Free experience!”
Seems possible the chrono miner might be a bit slower than the war miner to help offset the bonus ore being generated by the ore purifier
That wouldn't be fair since soviets get the industrial plant.
No, it's just because the chrono miner is the safest. It can just flee danger if needed. Soviet miner has to try to defend itself and slave miner is disrupted by both anti vehicle *and* anti infantry weaponry unlike the other miners.
Ahhh yes.... Yuri Proving that slave labor is best labor for the ore economy! Although I always thought that the Chrono miner and war miner were pretty equal.... Interesting to see that they really aren't.
Slave Miner:
Mobile and Fastest Resource gathering of the three but its slaves are susceptible to anti-infantry units, vehicle and spies that need to keep an eye on. Also immune to mind control
War Miner:
Better than the Chrono Miner in resource collecting, can defend against infantry and some vehicles, immune to mind control but must be placed near a ore refinery (which must be built, but also prone to being targeted)
Chrono Miner:
-Slow Resource collector but has the ability to teleport back to the refinery when needed, cannot defend against vehicles but can crush any type of infantry and immune to mind control.
Ok but chrono boy is the politest
It never occurred to me that the slave miner was that much faster, but it does make sense given just how quickly they eat up an ore field in the campaign
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To be fair, at least the ore fields won't run out as quickly on chrono miners. And the mini chrono sphere acts as a escape mechanism that also removes terror drones and can quickly warp from one refinery to another that's further away.
Well that says a lot about our current economic model. Slave labour is always more profitable. Yuri knew it all the time 😅
So slave labor is more effective than a teleporting truck??!!!
And cheaper 🤣
Imagine if you could also give the slaves 👞👞 🤣
Though chrono miner perk was speed, while war miner is being armed
War miner is pretty cool
The chrono miner would be better if the distance between the ore and the refinery was greater, the slave miner would still probably win as it's basically a ore factory on wheels with 5 mini ore trucks
Can you show how much difference there was in total gold collected? I get the feeling the more efficient mining of Yuri reduces how much gold they mined (though I bet it's less than 500)
A video on tgSacred channel, “comparing miner” if i remeber correct, show the amount, war miner collect the biggest gold, chrono only collect 500.
@@phucletran2860 Not the per-load amount, but the overall total with the gold slowly growing in size where gold is present.
All ore patches have the same amount of gold to collect so by the end they all have the same amount of gold. The only difference is with an allied ore refinery which increases gold from each deposit.
@@JadeMythriil True, except that gold naturally multiplies in the game over time. So a slower miner, or a less efficient one (note the slave miner is extremely efficient) will actually have more gold growth on their field.
Here is the point: I would not say that Slave Miner is the fastet; IMHO it does not harvest faster than the others but it has the shortest distances to cover. A better approach would be to re-conduct the experiment again, but this time with varying distances AND the refinery placed in the middle of an ore field.
Chrono Miner reporting for duty
Building soviet economy
Yuri mining facility reporting
Ore can regenerate on it's own? I thought without the drillers, the patches would be gone permanently once harvested.
It's like they're the benign cousins of Tiberium crystals or something.
I'm shocked. Yuri's Slave Miner was going to be top, no question, but I figured the Chrono Miner would have taken second just because of half the travel time would be cut out. Good to know.
But its still 1 whole trip to collect the same amount as the War miner.
They should have at least been even.
But they are not.
Pride of the working class it really is xD
War miner holds more ore
@@michaelt.5882 Yea some one seed 1000 ore for War miner and 500 for Crono miner.
Chad War Miner VS Virgin Chrono Miner 🤣
Some one needs to make that meme xD
And 1 more thing the crono miner has to unload 2 times that's 2 times unloading animation.
He might have lost the time there.
With better pathfinding, the chrono miner would easily out-perform its Soviet counterpart in terms of gathering efficiency - but as it stands, manual input is required to achieve that effect…
In gaming, no matter pvp or pve, chrono still the best. When your money is insufficient you can tactically control the miner teleport in one second.
War mine does but slowly drive back to base.
I live the chronominer sound effect :D
I wonder how a longer travel distance from refinery to ore would impact the Allied/Soviet disparity?
Likely it will not
It’s still 2 long distance trip for each of harvesters to collect 1000 credits (2 one-way for chrono and 1 two-ways trip for war miner)
@@romanplutok6202Yeah, I think the main benefit the Chrono gets is the ability to quickly get out of danger if it becomes under attack
Same thoughs
@@romanplutok6202 equal then
I thought the Chrono miner would at least win over the War miner because of how much the teleport saves time from going back to the Refinery. I guess not.
The Chrono Miner only mines 600, the War miner 800 so they are about the same.
Nope, it carries 50% load than War Miner.
@@HasekuraIsuna Chrono only mines 500 while the War miner is at 1000 for regular ore.
@@arrowghost is it 500 and 1000? I might remember wrong
If there are obstacles such as rivers or cliff they should be faster than the war miners as they only traverse the distance once.
How the Slave miner wins mining race: "Faster little slaves!!"
"Slavery: it gets shit done."
"Slaves never let me down"
------Yuri, Southen America, 1800s
Holy bloody sh-
Even with the chrono tech, the Allied Miner SUCKS! dammit lmao!
Chrono = Can escape ambush.
War = Fights back and can kill weak infantries.
Slave = Speed and concentration.
Seems like the Chrono miner is not as "smart" as the other ones causing it to be a bit slower.
Chrono miner - Faster movement
War miner - Armed, More capacity
Slave miner - More miners, portable
How ironic, the cronominer should be faster because its teleporting. Yet its the slowest
Would like to see how it would be if they have to cross half the map, obvious slave miner wouldn't change, but Chrono miner only need to travel half the distance.
But still twice to bring the same amount as the War miner.
I guess in that case they would be even.
And balance was had.
Altho war miners can gather more gold in one trip, Allies can use the ore quicker with faster return trip--> faster production, if only a certain amount is needed. Sometimes it can be a dealbreaker in battle
I have played the game long enough, using all three factions, to get the "feel" for the ore gathering rate of the factions. I already know the order is Yuri > Soviet > Allies from experience. Good to know that it's proven here. Yuri is truly a broken faction in so many ways. In terms of resources, it gathers ore faster, can grind mind-controlled units for money, and use the genetic mutator exploit to gain practically unlimited money. (Mutate the free slaves into brutes, and then grind the brutes into money. Rinse and repeat.)
Initiates. You should mutate initiates.
That's interesting experiment, thanks.
"Slaves are cheap! Hehehe"
Well I can tell that RA2 expansions were probably done with minimal funding; no improvements were made to base unit pathfinding while the slave miner got a huge upgrade in pathfinding. Odd also that they didn't just have the slaves use the same pathfinding as the ore trucks.
I got this totally wrong. Thought something that teleports has got to win
Reasonable , yuri's miner move to the closest distance to ore , sov miner larger amount than ally miner
Sacrificing any defensive measure for mobility and effectiveness
Yuri faction is so OP
I really like the war miner for nostalgia, but I like the chrono miner more, but I like the slave miner because it is immune to drone spiders
You mean slave miner is immune if deployed and terror drones cannot do about it?
@@randolphbienmateo8174 the same in tank mode is immune
You should try long distance mining as well.
There are different perks for each. Slave miner wins no matter the distance, chronominer can collect and return fast, russia can take hits
So, the message of Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge is slave work is the most efficient way to fund a war effort.
Weird stance to take, but I can respect the balls with which Westwood used to make such a statement.
Chad War miner VS Virgin Chrono miner.
Now compare the amount of credits gained by these 3.
The chrono miner being the slowest to deplete the field should still give the most total amount of credits, since the ore has time to grow and spread again.
I have a newfound appreciate for the war miner.
How many miners can you use if there's 1 drill on the map without running out of gold?
back in the day when i faced a yuri faction i'm using iraq or allied forces there's desolator & mirage tank on their ore field
This video was fascinating.
Did the ore patches yield roughly the same amount of credits, regardless of miner type?
So would 3 identical 10,000 credit patches of ore yield 10,000 credits to the War Miner and Chrono miner and slave miner? Or are their efficiency differences?
Ore and gems are worth the same relative to load, so it doesn't matter which miner you use. The difference is that the Chrono Miner can only carry half as much as the War Miner, but also only travels half the distance. The only actual difference would be via use of an Ore Purifier, so theoretically an Allied player gets more money out of it.
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Хрономайнер как пылесос
Im not sure if this is accurate since the time difference isnt too much id rather attribute it to the animation rather than the capacity
it is ridiculous how weak and thin slaves can collect faster then powerful machines👎
Chroni miner was a liar all along
Gotta turn off ore regen! I wonder how many credits each faction harvested in total
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Will the results be the same if multiple miners are used?
Nothing beats manual slave labor. Honestly I have no idea why slavery is forbidden given how effective it is !
Thank you.
That reason , in many games inside Red Alert 2, you make minimum two trucks (Russian or American USA). Two trucks became too-powerfull?
Green light I have a question (the question is a bit ridiculous) how do you make the allied and soviet gold refineries have the texture of a lot of gold? i love that
I think it's based on how much is in the bank already
So what you're telling me is... making slavery illegal was a bad choice XD
Slave Miner is always the champion
The others gather on the dumbest way
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Once again, RA2's weird AI pathing and targeting algorithms make an easy prediction wrong. The chrono and war miners SHOULD be closer to the slave miner but notice how the first two keep targeting the next patch straight down instead of what's nearest to the refinery, leaving patches to regrow, whereas the slave miner keeps updating its gathering radius for a cleaner sweep.
You forget that those miners are alone, yet the slave miner has slaves. More harvesters on a single field means one picks up the slack of another. But you're right on the pathing. It's a bit wonky.
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TgSacred tested that Chrono Miner mines 500 gold/ War Miner mines 1k/Slave Miner mines 100 per slaves..
all those year, i was wrong :'(
Yeah but slaves can be sniped.
Slaves are cheap
love the noobs thinking the ai is the problem, when its abiously russians win
This is what the game tells you that having slaves makes you rich faster.